Apathy & Assumptions: The Katowice Trade Hall Collapse
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2024
- How and Why of the Katowice Trade Hall Collapse - Poland 2006. Tragic and preventable, the incident took place during the 7th International MTK Carrier Pigeon Fair Exhibition.
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Love the Collapse series! The Hyatt Regency walkway collapse in Kansas City on July 17, 1981 would make a great episode.
Brick Immortal this sounds familiar to the collapse of the Sears mall roof in Sarnia, Ontario, Canada in early December 2000 due to excessive snow load. Two persons were killed as I remember. Not sure if anyone was ever charged. All I know is every business with a flat roof was suddenly desperate to get the snow off their roofs.
“Rarely is the stability of a structure of any real concern...”
Me whose binged watched several channels of building collapse videos in the past week: “NOW it is. “
@@DaleDix actually humans have always had an interest in that, remember executions used to be a public event.
Me too.
Oddly everytime I walk into any structure with 2 or more floors the first thought in my mind is "what if this structure collapses while I'm here" then it doesn't right when I think that so I say to myself I'm fine and continue. Its a really quick thought though. Especially in Las Vegas
I have also been watching these to better understand the scope of the problem. It seems to repeat.
@@pinkneko13 Ain't that the truth. As we seek the answers one needs to know the difference between the dark and the light, or good and evil. Cheers! Great point made.
Few phrases inspire such an immediate reaction of rage and disgust as does "locked emergency exits."
For me, not as much as "destroying documents immediately after collapse." That tells you EVERYTHING you need to know about their "integrity", or serious lack thereof. It's enraging.
"To save money they cut down on maintenance" is one of my pet hates
@@djmoch1001 Agreed.
I think “…lessons have been learned” is an infuriating phrase because you know that nothing has been learned, and it’s a “get out of jail free” card.
@@djmoch1001 😅
I live in Katowice! On a positive note, over a thousand pigeons were rescued from the building, and local pigeon fanciers from around Silesia cared for them until the could be reunited with their owners. Two pigeons were found alive after spending more than 20 days buried under the rubble.
Thank you. X
Thanks
All I kept asking was "what about the BIRDS?!?!"
Wow amazing... Sometimes I feel pigeons are more intelligent than our specie in some aspects :) The architects, designers, engineers should have their roofs fall on them now, they should give their lifes to the families of the lost ones... Love to all the ones lost.
Thank you cause I was wondering about the pigeons too.
Engineers - this is the ONLY WAY this will be built safely
BUSINESSMEN - LAWWWWLLLLoL i can save money by cutting corners.
Eingineers: project manager, this is the only way to safely build the building
Project manager: boss, we can remove some of the pilling and structure so the building will look nice and save 10% cost.
Boss: board of director, the whole building only need 4 pilling and still withstand natural dictator and save 70% cost.
"corner cutting and negligence" always precedes all the "Collapse" videos....
Im starting to see a preventable trend here....
Sounds like a humanity trait there...
Capitalism incentivising saving money over lives?
@@briannawaldorf8485 It's greed, there is no system without greed.
Is it weird that my only takeaway from this story is that there is a trade show for racing pigeons?
@@effinyu9554 i work on big roofs, i find about 5 dead race pigeons a year, many Have them.
Don’t worry I told my mom about this story and that was her takeaway too
I think its a tradition in Poland that pretty common and thats why the tourists are drawn to it as well
@@simplysilence8778 It's a tradition in the UK too, though not so popular now as it used to be...
"Different strokes for different folks" - good thing too, otherwise we'd ALL be(come) skinpeelingly boring.....
I remember this day so well. I was a student living in nearby Bytkow, about 10 min walk from the scene. On that day we went to the nearby Chorzowski park with friends to warm up our spirits with some wine. It was freezing! Snow was very deep and heavy, covered with about 2 cm of ice from freezing rain. you could walk on it and suddenly fall into 50cm. ''snow hole'' . Later on we could just hear helicopters... Very well spelled Katowice btw!
"Hey everyone, we're reintegrating into the capitalist economy now!"
-"So you're going to use your newfound wealth and resources to construct safer, higher quality buildings and infrastructure, right?"
"..."
-"...Right?"
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Wow, great comment Naticus, thanks so much for saying all this 😀
I love how technical these videos are, it always intrigues me on how things like buildings and airplanes can catastrophically fail even when it might look completely fine on the outside.
And almost in every case it’s due to money, either cost-cutting or locked doors to stop people from leaving without paying (in the case of night club, circus disasters and the like). Greed really be killing folk.
Hi Sam!
I'm a long-time fan of your videos, but somehow I've only found this one today. I'm from Poland and I just wanted to say how impressed I am with the accuracy and the conclusion of this video.
In the first part you've summarized the 90' wild capitalism in Poland just perfectly. Sadly, "that will do" was often the case with this unregulated, freshly formed laws and let to many situations like this tragedy. To be honest, there was so much said about this even in Polish media over the years, but this plain truth - that at a time, we as a nation were ok with this rushed sloppy way of doing things in the post-transition period - is often omitted in the summaries. It's a hard and sad truth, so I guess that's why it's easier to narrate it in Polish media as a more isolated event. At least many safety laws were born from this incident, slowly correcting the wild-west-style building laws of the 90's.
I can confirm that the smaller building you've shown at the end of the video is the one that the 2007 event took place in (it was hosting the 2005 edition too, I've checked on the Polish event page) - the whole huge square is the trade quarter and multiple buildings are part of it. That's probably why the address is the same. We have a similar layout in my home city of Gdańsk, where you have one address for AmberExpo facilities, but it contains multiple buildings and it's quite a large area.
Lastly, I how it's just a small detail compared to the huge amount of research you had to do for the video, but I just HAVE to point it out. Your pronunciation of Katowice, especially for a non-Polish-speaker, is just spot on and BEAUTIFUL! :)
Thank you for this great video and all the other ones. All the best!
i was there, on the spot taking part in a rescue effort right after the collapse... It was considered a real catastrophe in the area, because of Silesia being traditional hot-spot for pigeon enthusiasts and therefrore most of the victims being local...
I have to say - those buildings were known for years as being in very poor condition and even poorer maintained (or not maintained at all) for everyone who once set foot inside and looked around.... It was a disaster brewing for years on end (like in very many similar cases around the world)... Worst part is - i wouldn't be suprised at all if it wasn't the last time when something like that happens in the general Silesia area....... I sincerilly wish i'm wrong tho...
Correct there’s images where you can see the sagging years prior
It’s insane how literally everything can kill you at any time.
Also...pigeon racing? There’s an audience for everything I guess.
ever hear of horse racing? both are outdated forms of transportation... but the tradition doesnt just die
Pigeons are an invasive species here in the US. They were originally kept as pets, they are actually really gorgeous birds.
There's also lawn mower racing and professional Hot Wheels racing (3DBotMaker) groups.
Ngl it sounds kinda fun, pigeons are pretty smart and more mild mannered and quieter than parrots so it makes sense
I just don't understand being so driven by money that you're willing to risk lives. I mean, are you that blinded by greed that you can't fathom the possibility of a disaster as a result of corner cutting?? Do they just not care and think they'll get away with it if people are injured and/or die? I recently watched Collective on Amazon. It involved a club/concert venue fire in Romania and the medical treatment the victims received afterwards that resulted in more deaths. Human greed knows no bounds and it is absolutely awful. The doc is graphic in parts so be warned. Thank you for this video!
Can I just say I love your voice? It's so soothing and easy to understand. Keep up the good work!
Thanks for that Azure!
I agree it's calming
@@BrickImmortar absolutely, you've got the perfect tone for explaining technical aspects without sounding monotoned or boring, with a hint of warning in it, and yet at the same time its somber in describing the human loss of these catastrophes. cant wait to see more (although it would be nice if there weren't so many to report though right?)
@@BrickImmortar I'd add that your voice is also very articulate; your videos can be watched in higher speeds and still remain very clear!
Is it a computer voice-over?
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I agree bigly
Ditto
Agreed. Love the unbiased takes
Agreed i came here from there and i’m so glad for the content
Ditto!
Sounds a lot like collapse of the Hartford, Connecticut Civic Center in the USA, or the walkways in the Hyatt Regency Hotel. Shoddiness in design, safety checks, deviance from original plans without approval.
The Hyatt regency change was engineer approved. It was a failure purely from an engineering perspective. That's why the Hyatt walkway collapse is still taught in structural engineering class to this day.
@@ATSaalethe original design of the walkway would have failed anyway as well
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An interesting video of a collapse I’d never heard of. Particularly impressed by the research on a non-English subject matter - that couldn’t have been easy.
It's daunting to say the least haha. Thanks though Mick!
Love yourr presentation...I AM HOOKED.
I’m so sick of people who put their profits over structural integrity and safety. Not all elements put into building design and construction are “pork”. Concrete mixtures that are meant to structurally support buildings and bridges are not the same as the concrete poured for roads and sidewalks. The mixtures are different because their purpose is different. The steel used to build sheds and small structures in people’s back yards and farms can in no way support and sustain a large capacity structures. Architects and structural engineers specify column placement, quantities and gauges of steel rebar and support beams, placements of stairwells/elevators, and placement/types of windows for a reason. While some are aesthetic and can be modified, the ones supporting structural integrity can not. They can’t be “cheapened” just to keep more money in pocket without risking lives.
Perhaps if it became par for the course to charge and prosecute the corrupt and greedy with murder in more of these cases, things might begin to change.
nothing but corruption and greed causes these disasters and the innocent dies in the end
Part of me is wondering if any of the pigeons made it out and flew home, only to find no one left to feed them. Poor little birbs. I'm sure they were as scared in the disaster as the people.
the vivid images of some birds in New York on 9/11 comes to mind.
Over 1,000 were rescued , 1 was found after being buried 20 days! Some People took care of them till the owners got well.
I was waiting for the birbs to be mentioned and they never were. Thank you for updating me 😊
People literally died in this incident...
@@zawarudo1041 yeah,and those innocent birds as well. And the birds were even worse off because they were likely in cages, that they were also never meant to be in in the first place!
Almost everyone in Poland still remembers this catastrophe and every winter people are seriously side eyeing all flat roofs with more than 15cm of snow. They changed the law so you HAVE TO mantain the roofs after snowfall and roof inspections are more serious and frequent now.
Thats good. Stay safe.
Great job. Your videos are so interesting and informative. ❤
Sounds like Poland really makes their professionals stand up !!!
Excellent report! Thanks 🙏
It would have been much worse if it wasn't for the fact that many visitors went home to watch a ski jumping competition on TV- this sport used to be insanely popular in Poland and still has many fans
This video is one month old. I’m in Florida and we just had a condo fall down in Surfside, by Miami. An engineer showed what has happened on YT this morning. Not too many lives saved. It’s so very sad that people die due to others cutting corners. RIP all who have died in these buildings. I would rather go through a hurricane at ground level than live in a low, medium or high rise at anytime. Well done on your videos and thank you for being so respectful.
Florida is on top of limestone, very susceptible to sinkholes due to rising water. I expect that all coastal highrises are going to have to be inspected & monitored on a yearly basis after the collapse at Surfside.
@@dianedenham5259 Hello Diane, yes it is. I live just north of Tampa and learned to dive here, became an instructor and taught diving to others. I have been in sinkholes and caves. When you see what it looks like you wouldn’t want to build anything let alone a high rise. I watched another video this morning about unit 910 I think it was, looks like a giant sliced that building like a layer cake. Video before showed the bathroom, master bedroom with the floor and the walk in closet. After the collapse you could see the art on the wall of the bathroom, some of the closet and the flooring from the master bedroom was hanging with nothing under it. So sad.
The architect gets 9 years but the businessmen who were cutting corners get less than 2 or nothing, seems like someone was turned into a scapegoat.
The court found that the CEO was the least guilty because he knew the least and was deceived by his own subordinates who had greater knowledge about the technical condition of the building. The most guilty person was the author of the executive design, who illegally changed the design of the building after construction had begun. The court found that the building would have collapsed sooner or later due to gross construction errors, and the snow have only accelerated the inevitable.
The whispered “Brick Immortar” at the beginning of each video is just spooky
Hey. Just stumbled upon your channel recently. I suffer from anxiety and stress due to work and your voice combining with the top notch research and information really leaves me in a calm state ready for sleep. You’re not only just providing knowledge for us, but also soothing our souls. Thank you.
That's so sweet thanks Bart!
"The Algorithm" worked, for once! I'm pleased to have found you.
Interesting, if tragic, stuff. Nice work.
Great channel, u got yourself another subscriber.
I was cringeing thinking you were going to pronounce Katowice wrong but you pretty much nailed it, kudos
We have a store down the street that had the ceiling collapse last year. Not the first time from what I hear. Snow was a factor here too.
Keep making videos, you make good content
Thanks!
Thank you for bringing up this topic. As a curiosity, I will add that the fair is still held in Katowice, the next one in January 2023 in the MCK building, which has a very characteristic structure (it looks like it is cracked and partially collapsed).
As a Polish person, years of economic lawlessnes of Balcerowicz Plan are often seen as a new dark age, and this collapse shows well why.
Loving the content!!! Your research is amazing! Can’t wait for more!
Hey thanks for that Kristina!
Looks like some U.S. County Fair venues.
The quality of your presentations are top notch!
I've been binging your videos for 5 solid hours now. Your content is seriously good. Thank you so much for making so much content!!!
Great vid!
Glad you liked it William, thanks!
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I just don't understand the small sentences when these people were willfully endangering so many people
Because the people handing out sentencing also willfully endanger lives they don't give a shit they just don't build buildings.
The fact that those responsible were reportedly destroying evidence directly after the disaster is particularly enraging, & if true, constitutes a crime in its own right.... 😖
Excellent production!!!🙏👍😎
In case you wonder, calling balcerowicz plan a "shock therapy" is not exaduration in slightest. Yes, systemic transforamtion was ulitimetly sussesfull, but, belive me, cost was HIGH.
Can't help wondering if we will see similar stories arising following recent economic changes such as Greece's "austerity measures"...? 😕 Unfortunately the international financial institutions involved just don't seem to be particularly concerned about the human cost of these initiatives, & money saved often seems to come out of essential health, safety & welfare systems 😢
I don't understand why they would build flat roofs in snowy areas. It would make more sense to have a sloped roof, to deice the roof, it could have a heating system under the sheets, thus the snow would fall off, or, it could be hosed and would break away. Either way, these builders made a huge error. Thankfully people and pigeons survived, sadly, people lost their lives.
I'm not a big fan of huge flat roofs in general tbh, even in environments that don't get the massive snow-dumps Poland does....? Drainage off them so often seems to be poorly designed, & leaks a frequent issue. Once you start adding carparks, pools or gardens on-top, the issues just seem to escalate further? It's a fast, cheap construction method, but.... 😕
It's cheaper and faster. "Haste makes waste"? In an accelerated economy, that kind of philosophy is considered loser talk...
Just stumbled into your channel with UA-cam recommendations. I like it! Thank you for producing such good content. If you're gonna continue the collapse series, I wouldn't mind hearing your perspective on the CTV building collapse, during the February 2011 Christchurch earthquake in New Zealand. Cheers!
heh, just noticed that a street a few blocks from where I live in Montreal was used @1:13. Neat.
I discovered your channel last night and I must say, I’m hooked by your technical analysis of building disasters. I would love to see more from you!
Excellent video, Sam!
Thanks Dream!
Your research is amazing. Thank you.
how can people who build something that they know is likely to collapse sleep at night?
I am finally catching up with you back catalog- great stuff. -Bree
Thanks for checkin out the content Bree!
Its crazy how I have never heard of this, thanks for that!
Bedankt
Another excellent episode Sam!!!🙏👍🤔
Great content! Deserves more attention ❤
Very good video.
Glad you think so, thanks Kimberly!
I love your attention to detail and the backdrop that led to the failures. I truly enjoy your channel!
I remember this story - It was one of the biggest infrastructure catastrophies in post-communism Poland.
Very well done documentary, albeit it's a shame that my country has caught attention of this channel.
I appreciate your effort to report on tragedies such as these, from a place of care and curiosity and love.
I have watched several of your videos and appreciate them all.
As the end of this video played into the last few seconds, my heart sank believing that they didn't subsequently dispersed the event into several smaller buildings.
I believe it is most likely that those who were instrumental in organizing and attending probably perished or were injured, and those enthusiasts who remain are too traumatized to attend future events.
The smaller building is all that was necessary. 😢🇵🇱❤️🩹
Excellent channel, I'm glad I found it! Very well researched and your voice is great to listen to. Keep it up!
I really like the video, very instructive. I just find it very funny that at 1:11, when talking about Polish economy, the video is showing Montreal's St-Catherine street.
I was just a kid when it all happened but I remember all the news coverage and the nationwide mourning. Also one of my classmate's parents who are doctors were dispatched on the site to help rescue victims and later we heard some harrowing stories of the sights those parents saw.
It is astonishing that flat-roofed buildings continued to be built in areas that receive heavy and continuous snowfall. It's long been known that the weight of the white fluffy stuff can be very dangerous.
Yes, hence the steep roofline of the classic swiss chalet.
Underrated channel
Fucking locked/chained emergency exits every time.
I did not realize there were people & innocent animals in there when this happen. The short video I saw of the roof caving in, the place looked empty when this happen.
People were not innocent?
RIP to the souls lost in this preventable tragedy. Great vid Immortar.
pretty much the same thing happened 01/02/2006 in bad reichenhall, germany. lots of snow. rip.
Bad_Reichenhall_Ice_Rink_roof_collapse
Wonder how many poor pigeons got killed... Very sad...
7:26 look at all those pigeons!
I’ve just came across your channel and I love it! Thank you for researching so diligently.
Wow. How does this happen? Another good one!
Thanks Amy! Crazy how nowhere is off limits to greed I suppose...
@@BrickImmortar :(
9:18 A nitpick: What's the connection between those collapses that make them relevant to the Katowice Trade Hall? Were the buildings made by the same construction firm? Did they had the same faulty design? Did they suffer the same reluctance to maintenance and snow removal? It strikes me odd that you just list them without stating (or even speculating) the commonality between those disasters and the main one in the video.
U should do the westgate bridge collapse in Melbourne next
It's sad that your other content doesn't get traction
I appreciate that Greenarrow but it's ok, I love making all my content and enjoy the hell out of producing it 😀
Something I still do to this day when I enter a new place, 'where are the exits? Where an alternative exit?'👍
Looks like Poland learnt capitalism very quickly
Sam, I love your videos! I only watched the collapse series yet, but I think I will bingewatch them the rest now! Keep it going :D
That's so kind of you to say, thanks Judith!
Awesome video Sam Thank You!! New subscriber here
Hey thanks for that Joe and welcome!
Clicked on your channel today and kept watching your videos...Your voice and content really make people focus on the issues right away..I appreciate that as really you don't want superfluous info clogging the main issues ..keep up the good work
have shared your channel with many..awaiting the recent Surfside apt complex , in Florida collapse video
What an underrated and underappreciated channel.
Another example of snow load being a serious issue. There's a reason areas that experience significant snowfall have higher pitched roofs, additional insulation, and heavier support beams.
Hold up, Pigeons for racing? Woahhh
Okay but how many pigeon casualties were there?
Awe i wanna go to a pigeon convention! I mean im happy i misses this one but a different one sounds good.
You say we don't worry about big buildings in the mirth inside but as the daughter of a plans examiner, who suffers with anxiety I can tell you big buildings scare the poop outta me. I don't like big event centers. I only show up if it's some I really really want. I just think of all the crushes that happen or fires.
Great video!
These videos are extremely well made for how many subs you have, great stuff
7:30 seeing all those pigeons gives me hope that not many of the birds were killed
Over a thousand pigeons survived. Even when the search for human survivors ceased 2 days after the collapse, pigeons were still found alive under the debris even 20 days afterwards.
Find you through fascinating horror’s channel. Am currently binge watching your stuff now!
My god the poor birds ☹️
The people 😰 and the poor pigeons… 😰😰
Yes, thanks for the information. Wow the corruption and risk of people's life's for the love of money, sad as every life is precious.