William Rees on "The social-educational failure to address ecological overshoot"

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  • Опубліковано 22 вер 2024

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  • @timothyhume3741
    @timothyhume3741 День тому +23

    William Rees is a national treasure. It is difficult for me at age 76 to understand why so few people get what he is talking about. Regarding education, we should start with the farm and the natural systems. Thanks for shedding light on reality.

    • @thunderstorm6630
      @thunderstorm6630 День тому +6

      why almost nobody seems to understand overshoot? because of the way the human brain works, people cannot stand the idea of death esp. when it refers to them, accepting the facts like overshoot means accepting billions of people suffering and dying in a short period of time.

    • @kizzass3427
      @kizzass3427 День тому +4

      They would rather pop out a few more kids to feed the screen. How creative.

    • @TennesseeJed
      @TennesseeJed 22 години тому +2

      I know, right? He is very clear about the big picture, but nobody wants to hear it.

    • @kizzass3427
      @kizzass3427 21 годину тому

      All those self deceiving image driven narcs & enabling lazy mtfkrs needed us to serve them! Never forget that!!!!

    • @kizzass3427
      @kizzass3427 21 годину тому

      All these selfish commodified creatures with their noisy sht. Dying f that is really something else!

  • @freeheeler09
    @freeheeler09 13 годин тому

    Thank you all for this important conversation!

  • @thurstonhowellthetwelf3220
    @thurstonhowellthetwelf3220 11 годин тому +1

    Many thanks, the Prof is a must watch and listen for me, always..

  • @shannonwilliams7249
    @shannonwilliams7249 День тому +17

    I search Rees every few days, like I used to with Chomsky. Great interview, this man has filled Chomskys void.

    • @thunderstorm6630
      @thunderstorm6630 День тому +4

      you could listen to nate hagens or planet critical with rachel

    • @johngray1439
      @johngray1439 День тому +9

      Yes they are very good too, but I believe because they are younger and only human, they need more hopeium to personally psychologically cope in this situation. They are still in the bargaining stage. 99% understanding and acceptance of real situations is very rare in human beings.

    • @kizzass3427
      @kizzass3427 День тому +2

      Yes, they need more screen time to get it.

    • @chadreilly
      @chadreilly 14 годин тому +1

      @@thunderstorm6630 Bill is fantastic, Nate and Rachel are milquetoast, AT BEST

    • @shannonwilliams7249
      @shannonwilliams7249 12 годин тому

      @@johngray1439 yes, and Hagens is more grounded than Planet Critical, which is still a good venue. Hagens last guest, the German scientist suffered from some hardcore hopeium. Which they need to sell us rationally, we want to not die, tell us how, not just “we must transition” but man, the faith in green transition is so ironclad. That Mark Jacobson Stanford delusional entity.

  • @drawyrral
    @drawyrral 19 годин тому +3

    I believe the key to our failure to address environmental degradation and collapse is our lack of respect for the non human life forms who share the planet with us, as Mr. Rees points out with his human-exceptionalism comment.

  • @kenpentel3396
    @kenpentel3396 12 годин тому +1

    Thank you

  • @steveberkson3873
    @steveberkson3873 19 годин тому +1

    I’ve been ‘struck’,or maybe ‘stuck’,with a term that popped into my head back in the late ‘70s when I could see how the environmental issues were ‘handled’ by gov’t(and unwitting society). In my world at the time it was the rivers in the SW U.S.,which ones ‘deserved’ protection,same as with forests,deserts,wilderness areas,etc..My term was/is ‘cumulative’,the accumulation of usage of resource and the ‘financing’ behind it. Its a capitalistic symptom. Not holistic,which is the problem . Anyway,there are many academics and systems analysts smarter than I,like Dr. Rees,who continue to sound the alarms as to why people just don’t get it,nonetheless the corporations who run society for the ‘capital’ without having their feet in the ground,aware of a finite planet. Cumulative,we’ve reached overshoot ..

  • @mrbisse1
    @mrbisse1 День тому +6

    You have asked for comments, and this may be more than you were looking for. I am going to quote a comment I made trying to get Nate Hagens' and/or Simon Michaux's attention. I managed to contact both of them. I'm sorry to see that your interview doesn't have more views! I am about the same age as William Rees, and have been doing my best to get ANYBODY's attention for more than 50 years. I'll put my quote as a reply to this comment.

    • @kizzass3427
      @kizzass3427 20 годин тому

      Yeah, we will fuel y channel.

    • @mrbisse1
      @mrbisse1 19 годин тому

      @@kizzass3427 ?????? I don't understand what that means.

    • @kizzass3427
      @kizzass3427 16 годин тому

      Are y stupid?

    • @kizzass3427
      @kizzass3427 16 годин тому

      Should I start a channel?

    • @kizzass3427
      @kizzass3427 16 годин тому

      Will it serve their a hole?

  • @treefrog3349
    @treefrog3349 День тому +12

    The inept questioning of these two youngsters is counterpointed by the very astute answers and explanations provided by a wise "elder". It is truly metaphorical.

    • @philipm3173
      @philipm3173 20 годин тому +5

      It's not inept, they're asking questions that might seem obvious to some of us but for the average "unenlightened" person are not.

    • @Deebz270
      @Deebz270 19 годин тому +1

      @@philipm3173 Unenlightened = Ineptitude Some might say...

  • @davehawes8177
    @davehawes8177 10 годин тому +1

    The take away message is how Capitalism has been established as the new religion.
    Primitive societies developed religion based in environment and built controls into religious messaging.
    With adoption of Capitalism as our new religion, we've lost those controls but added no new ones and to add to that we bow down and praise the wealthy within this system as exceptional examples to emulate. Most of these people have profited by offsetting long term costs to future generations.

  • @radman1136
    @radman1136 5 годин тому +1

    Cary, if you insist upon inserting the phrase "you know" into nearly every one of your sentences, after a while, communication with the listener is thwarted and all we hear is a repetitive droning youknowyouknowyouknow.
    You need to fix that so that you can communicate effectively.

  • @LarryCleveland
    @LarryCleveland День тому +1

    Seems this is how many civilians collapsed only we narrate ours including the possible human extinction.

  • @IngerMaaike2
    @IngerMaaike2 4 години тому

    Why will renewables coupled with batteries not work to transition to a fossilfuelless tuture? With data and actual numbers please.

  • @Humanity101-zp4sq
    @Humanity101-zp4sq 17 годин тому

    Progressive taxation of profligate behaviour and activity is the only way forward, along with rewarding sustainable behaviours and activities.

  • @Humanity101-zp4sq
    @Humanity101-zp4sq 16 годин тому

    There ARE countries which have attempted to 'step back'. European example - Finland. South Asian example - Bhutan.... and several others.

  • @JodyDymun-z7o
    @JodyDymun-z7o 20 годин тому +1

    Even fusion and transmission would not improve matters unless they invent replicators capable of %100 fidelity. Subterranean habitation is only way to not face the rocket propellent problem or thermodynamic overload while we solve the active load shedding; otherwise we will shortly surpass 500% carrying capacity.

    • @Humanity101-zp4sq
      @Humanity101-zp4sq 16 годин тому

      What have you been smoking? Habitable surface area of earth is sufficient to provide 1 acre per human at a carrying capacity of 10 Billion. One acre can sustain much more than one human. The problem is profigacy, not your sci-fi word salad...

  • @robertpedersen6831
    @robertpedersen6831 День тому +2

    How to respond as a Doctor? Its collaps then?
    Whats the point if Malthus was right after all?

    • @thunderstorm6630
      @thunderstorm6630 День тому +1

      non, that is just live

    • @tomschuelke7955
      @tomschuelke7955 День тому +5

      The question was allways if we would be able to reach equilibrium within the limits of the system.. What would be the highest standart we could have for loong time.. now, after 40 to 50 years ignoring limits du to made up myth of perpetual growth..
      its to late i think.. so the only question is.. how can we get down from a living standart without killing each other ? without blaming each oather, and keeping our achevements as good as possible..
      As nath haegens says.. there s no solution.. only answers.. but some of them are better as others..

    • @kizzass3427
      @kizzass3427 20 годин тому

      Really?

    • @tomschuelke7955
      @tomschuelke7955 20 годин тому

      @@kizzass3427 Yes

    • @kizzass3427
      @kizzass3427 20 годин тому

      ​@@tomschuelke7955 Haha, what's your magic carpet?

  • @GlobeHackers
    @GlobeHackers День тому +4

    One word: Thermodynamics. Living systems with their energy flows/cascades are the only batteries we need. Listen to BIG NATURE; it has all the answers. "But I am not willing to sacrifice MY wants and needs." (The new NIMBY.) We are a constantly expanding and conquering invasive species. It's easier to imagine human extinction than the end of The Great Game.

  • @mellonglass
    @mellonglass 13 годин тому

    The planet is funded to act and forgot how to be a social labour, not a sedentary luxury.😢
    How about a carbon petro dollar weight, because the measure is always of convenience, not truth.
    Paid to pollute, who isn’t?

  • @volkerengels5298
    @volkerengels5298 День тому +2

    Man - you can't criticize your culture to the core - and expect to be reelected.
    Today we should talk about _'how to close the door behind us properly'_ or go on with complaining about our 'Inadequacies of the past'
    **WE are not able to change profoundly within 20 years* Anyone might have another opinion here.
    *We: the West in first place.

    • @dalewolver8739
      @dalewolver8739 15 годин тому +1

      Ya, as Rupert Reed says, "This civilization is finished"

    • @volkerengels5298
      @volkerengels5298 13 годин тому

      @@dalewolver8739
      The rotten brothel of chri$tian$ on coke - you mean? :) (excuse the exaggeration)
      Looking backwards 'civilization' is a bit euphemistic...

  • @TheMultiHeadphone
    @TheMultiHeadphone 19 годин тому

    Ok. While I fully agree on the problem. When I calculate my footprint, even when vegan with no car and electricity in a 5sqm hut made form
    Straw my overshoot is still in August. That can‘t be!

  • @blindpuppy7786
    @blindpuppy7786 9 годин тому

    Guys, it's always great to see interest in and awareness of these essential topics of interest, but, with respect, you could prepare a little more for an interview like this. It isn't helpful to pile questions on top of one another. Humming and hawing without clear direction when he finishes speaking and waffling about tenuously connected topics are distracting and break the flow of the conversation. I hope you will accept the criticism in the spirit it is offered, which is to say, constructively. Best of luck for the future, regardless of how ominous it looks.

  • @YerkesVeronica-e3m
    @YerkesVeronica-e3m День тому

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  • @TennesseeJed
    @TennesseeJed 21 годину тому +5

    😂food is ONLY 4-5% of GNP😂😂😮😮😢😢

    • @ronwalker4998
      @ronwalker4998 17 годин тому +1

      Without food therre is no GNP

    • @TennesseeJed
      @TennesseeJed 16 годин тому +1

      ​@@ronwalker4998Everyone except economist knows this.

    • @freeheeler09
      @freeheeler09 13 годин тому

      Economists are completely ignorant about the physical and ecological systems that sustain life on Earth.

  • @WheatleyDarcy-b1s
    @WheatleyDarcy-b1s 19 годин тому

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  • @MuratGonullu-l3x
    @MuratGonullu-l3x День тому

    Lee Kevin Lopez Barbara Miller Brenda

  • @HenriettaKerr-g1u
    @HenriettaKerr-g1u День тому

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  • @BetsyWillie-t8f
    @BetsyWillie-t8f 5 годин тому

    Harris William Lopez Nancy Miller Kevin

  • @richdiana3663
    @richdiana3663 16 годин тому

    Doomalists unite, or not.

  • @fredbloke3218
    @fredbloke3218 19 годин тому +1

    "Private property is an invention"? - but also a natural world phenomenon - the lion pride's private
    territory, the bird's private nest... if the air could be privatised then it would not be subject to
    the tragic ruination it suffers as a commons resource.

    • @Humanity101-zp4sq
      @Humanity101-zp4sq 16 годин тому +1

      Nonsense. As the professor explained there have been and are many communities and civilisations where private property is not an integral part of society. Bushmen, aboriginal peoples, many tribal nations.

    • @chadreilly
      @chadreilly 13 годин тому

      @@Humanity101-zp4sq Never heard of "territory" or "hunting grounds"? It may or may not be private property per se but try being an Apache caught on Comanche territory back in the day. Even chimps patrol their territory and attack intruders.

  • @philipm3173
    @philipm3173 22 години тому +1

    48:00 for a great book on this topic see Julia Watson's Lo-TEK (traditional ecological knowledge). She'd be a great guest!

    • @Humanity101-zp4sq
      @Humanity101-zp4sq 16 годин тому

      Also, Bill Mollison. inventer/founder of Permaculture design and practise.

  • @dalewolver8739
    @dalewolver8739 22 години тому +2

    1:04 Redesigning society to be a true socialist democracy would be the only way, where the decisions "of the day" are analyzed and philosophized to determine if the actions to take are good for the short term and long term. The larger the group, however, the more difficult to manage. A conundrum for sure

    • @Humanity101-zp4sq
      @Humanity101-zp4sq 16 годин тому

      Anarcho-syndicalism, not socialist democracy. You describe anarchism or direct democracy.

  • @flyindevil
    @flyindevil 18 годин тому

    He talks about social conditioning and what we teach, yet he repeats the fictional Einstein quote about insanity, that doesn't even get insanity right regardless of who said it. We need to expose the idioms that have little-to-no basis in reality that makes us look like fools, or else we're just saying words and phrases we heard before that sound nice. Convincing people of our position using the same type of false thinking and logic of the past that got us in this mess probably won't help solve anything.

    • @Humanity101-zp4sq
      @Humanity101-zp4sq 16 годин тому +1

      Isn't that the gist of the original Einstein quote?...