CSB Safety Video: Fire From Ice
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- On February 16, 2007, a propane fire erupted at the Valero McKee Refinery in Sunray, Texas, north of Amarillo. Three workers suffered serious burns, and the refinery was forced to shut down. The fire began following a leak in the propane deasphalting unit and spread quickly, in part because of the rapid collapse of a major pipe rack carrying flammable hydrocarbons. Some of the rack's support columns had not been fireproofed.
I can’t believe I’m binge watching these.
it scratches that itch that "mayday" and seconds from disaster" used to scratch ... and with barely any loss in animation quality :P
Dude.... Me too. Who would have thought that videos that ppl are forced to watch would be interesting
@@firefox5926 You got it,,!!
I don't know I find this stuff very interesting for some reason
Same
As a former process operator I gain so much insight from these videos
Sky Dog I’m still a process operator use to work on a methanol plant now I work on a gas processing plant these videos help me a lot
@@ajamocampbell9143 maybe you will bring one of these videos yourself
I'm not sure how I got here, but I'm glad that I did.
Good to see one of these videos where a good descision was actually made!
Man, that spooky piano music . . .
How the hell did I end up here?
Thatherton!
0:52 "operated at reduced capacity for nearly a year...contributed to temporary shortfalls in gasoline supplies" "direct losses of $50 million".... Probably recouped through insurance and, I bet they made $100 million more than usual by jacking up the price of gas.
Steel weakened under heat eh?
Must have burned hotter than jet fuel.
"Propane deasphalting unit" sounds like something that would blow up, tbh.
Literally all of chemical engineering is making sure that something that wants to blow up, doesn't blow up.
And rocket engineering is taking care things don't blow up too fast.
@@samiraperi467 And in the correct place, usualy the combustion chamber and nozzle.
Fluorine based oxydizers are well known to not always do that and making just about anything combust, even asbestos, sand and water.
Then there are also fuel leaks, wich in case of hydrogen need no further explanation and in case of hydrazine derivates are highly toxic.
@@awesomesir45 And literally all of explosives engineering is making things that really want to blow up, blow up -- but only on command.
I am curious WHY all of those pipes aren't under ground?!
Kudos to the manager who told everyone to book it. Probably saved everyone there.
@Cobra85291 fuck off troll.
@Jack Anderson it means to run, book is the sound shoes make on the ground, apparently
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Rare for these videos
I would've been like, "Who wants overtime?"
I feel like after watching 20+ of these videos in the last 2 days that I'm capable of walking into any refinery and doing my own inspections. Thank you CSB, I didn't need schooling or the Holiday Inn, I just needed you.
Lol I walked into a bathroom at AutoZone earlier to fill a jug with water for radiator. My mind started narrating, “But, unknown to the customer, the mop sink had a fatal flaw which had not been detected...”
@@Bankable2790 after 30 seconds at 11:34 AM, it violently exploded, killing 3000 contractors on site.
Literally
That's the sort of arrogance that results in these type of accidents
The best channel in UA-cam!
"There are inherently safer chemicals, such as bleach" is a HECK of a sentence.
Maybe Oxygen Bleach (hydrogen peroxide and oxygen) because regular bleach is Hypochlorite.
@@adamdnewman Hypochlorite is way safer than chlorine gas. Just being around chlorine gas is dangerous to health and reacts with everything including moisture in the air, whereas hypochlite salts are pretty stable in dry form.
I came here to point this out also :-)
@@jermainerace4156 it's also a trade off of a a thousand pounds of chlorine gas or tens of thousands of gallons of 10% sodium hypochlorite to do the same job.
Yea, you know it is really bad when "bleach" is safer than that. rofl
Interesting that the recommendations are easily implemented and not too costly. The CSB appears to be an efficient organization.
They are very good investigators, and they make good recommendations
However they have farcically little power to enforce those recommendations
And our lobbyist-controlled regulatory system hamstrings them even more
depends on if any life's are lost then it becomes the blame game.... when no one dies its blame bad policy or lack of rules and regulations or knowledge. you do not want to be the one CSB is investigating trust me. no lawyer will or can protect you.
@Master80059 until CEOs start seeing prison time, little will change.
There was actually freeze protection installed at the time. But it wasn’t being PMd
Unfortunately the CSB can only recommend, they can't enforce!
Now I know how to safely inspect a refinery. Good info in case I decide to buy a refinery.
im an oil man...
@@Swoost Maybe instead of using Swoost you could use "Slick"! lol /s
🤣🤣
"Management did not conduct a review" -cause of every one of these videos
Nah, there is about as many “They did a review and ignored the results.”
Hank Hill would be ashamed
Obviously, they did not have the right propane accessories.
If Buck was running the show, there wouldn't even be a fire. And if there was, it was Hanks fault. Buck was occupied by a female client
dude these are better than air crash investigation
They're good, but don't get crazy
I watch all the airplane crash investigations now I'm stuck on these
B. H. I feel attacked
The narrator is absolutely first rate.
You get in 10-15 minutes all the good stuff instead of dragging it out for 45.
I'm glad these videos were made. This is all super interesting. This is like some screwed up Rube Goldberg setup in the sequence of events.
GTFO Data and get back to the Enterprise...
The pres is trying to cut finding for these guys. Call your Congress person and hope he's not bought.
But obviously too few foremen and corporate bosses are watching them.
That's what's called "normal accidents" -- there's no one big error, just a whole sack of small factors that happen to line up one sunny day.
They super lucked out in this one!!!
I just love how disappointed that guy sounds talking at the end about the stupid systems they had in place. Who puts the emergency cooling valve directly next to the tank that is hot enough to need an emergency cooling valve?
Somebody in Texas does it, that's who.
Fire from ice? How?
*hears propane*
Oh...
whenever I hear some kind of damage from ice, my first thought is that someone forgot to add a freeze plug somewhere, or some kind of anti icing agent.
@@kirknay Yes, but at the same temperature it freezes, propane melts. trust me, propane ice is hella cold.
The danger of dead end pipe runs is well known in industry. Valves and never 100% shutoff, and valves closed ahead of capped lines are subject to high pressure from ice, temperature etc. This is rookie stuff.
David Hoekje no it's being cheap. I can't believe the lack of safe practices I see in these videos. It appears they just build and run it as cheap as possible, and get lots of insurance. These company owners need to go to prison when this crap happens.
With a name like yours, you must be smart.
@ETM Nation - Best ETM Music Nope, I disagree. Safety is expensive. Maintence is expensive. The Big boys in the boardrooms are the ones who shave those profit margins. Middle Managers are caught where they manage- in the middle, sweating it out at the Refinery, praying something does not go boom. Good, pro-active managers cost extra, and they are a pain in the ass to deal with, constantly harping on the real needs of the plant, too.
So, when that Big Boss is looking to impress his "Bigger boss" with a .02% profit margin over last year and collect that 50 grand Christmas bonus, you can bet he redlined the Hell out of the maintenance budget and laid off a few safety people to get it. No skin off his back from 3rd-degree burns.
Notice that abandoned piping stayed in the grid for 15 Years! Wanna bet the ass hole who made the decision not to remove it did it in order to save a little off the maintenance budget, has retired or moved onto a big promotion since then? Yeah- His butt was highly polished - just look how "Efficient he was!"
David Hoekje yew shutdup.i emm plant manerger Ann Yew NO nothin!
Yes gate valves suck ha. Looks like a welder had done some back feeding and dropped his filler metal and it ended up in the valve seat.
This has to be the most rube goldberg like disaster I've seen in years.
Lol
Exactly what I was thinking! But watch the other USCSB videos if you haven't, there's some other crazy sequences of events...
ikr? I was wondering how many other reactions there were in that chain. Like, what next? One of the tanks launches up and strikes an airplane? Then the airplane strikes the control room? Then more malfunctions as a result of that?
It's surprisingly common in refineries and chemical plants for this to happen. We've pulled very strange stuff out of pipes!
Including my "baby arms" (poop)
Like those squids in Oklahoma
I'll bet not one of the CSB recommendations were put into place on a comprehensive scale.
Bit of a downer huh? You would be surprised.
That metal looks like a welding rod. Was it?
There's a reason serious outfits count rod stubs after a weld is performed.
Ha. I have worked at COUNTLESS refineries (I'm a welder/fabricator), I have not once had to turn in the end of my electrodes. Not once. But I always take the same amount of electrodes out and make sure I pick up the ends of the electrodes when getting more or leaving the area.
@white zebra 2:21
This even happened to our water pipes. When they froze it broke off a piece of an internal check valve. When the weather got warmer and the pipes thawed, the piece of the check valve traveled almost 50 feet and got stuck in an elbow.
Holy shit a 12 year old comment
the piece got fined for traveling without a valid ticket..
Now it's stuck in lawsuits..
Then the lawsuits wanted more money
So, he offered his only monet he had...
hanging in the living
Now his world is pale.. and without Art..
Art left the building after hearing this sad song.
He lied him self down..
like a bridge over troubled water..
if you're leaving, close the door
i am not expecting people anymore..
You know you're a CSB fan when the mention of timestamps sends chills down your back
or when you watch CSB videos alongside Accident Case Crisis aircraft incident videos, also narrated by the same guy
@@Defender78 Tell me more about that, where can I watch it?
@@DedmenMiller www.youtube.com/@AirSafetyInstitute
No automated emergency shut-down system? Someone dropped the ball.
Somebody saved money...
It’s fascinating that as a kid I’d find this videos boring most likely. But now, not even working in the chemical industry, I find these videos so fascinating and informative. It’s pretty rare to find such well made content. And the people that enjoy these videos carry such calm and informed discussions in the comments. Like an information oasis. Glad the CSB makes these!!
it's like the old youtube in the early 2010's when it was information sharing instead of repeated jokes for the purposes of getting upvotes.
@@03056932 Too much Reddit
A simple blind would have prevented this. They had years to realize this.
Freeze control on an unused line?
Please, you're tripping.
They recommended a blind though
They recommended freeze control for the entire facility. They weren't recommending freeze control on the unused line, that is as long as the unused line was completely disconnected.
Having built scaffolding in the BP Whiting Refinery for 3 years I find these very interesting. Saw and learned a lot of progress in refinery safety. But refineries are still disasters waiting to happen. The Whiting refinery is one of the biggest in production and sits on less than a square mile. So densely built any issues will spread almost instantaneously
Yess ive looked up info up whiting as its 35 mins away from me and was curious. The safety record is not hot.
Guessing you from Illinois or indiana too lol
Amazing no one was killed in this accident.
We always use blinds when pipelines go out of a technological scheme. It's a mandatory procedure!. Also there has to be freeze protection as tracer pipes or electric heats cables inside insulation.
MermanFromRus but if they opened the elbow to put a blind in. Wouldn’t it have leaked.
@@Mk5mod0 you would isolate and shut down to install the blind. This is normal in our industry.
@@Mk5mod0 imagine a leaking pipe in your house. There are valves throughout the line in such a way that you can get a section if pipe turned off so you can work on it
Double block and bleed.... Industry standard, to ensure you go home safe
Blind, drain and purge.
"That's a clean burning industrial accident, I tell you h'wat!"
Anyone else on a binge of these?
Px105 D yep
I wish a bigger percentage of my taxes went to things like this instead of reinventing education for the 120th time and still getting it wrong.
"non-fireproofed pipes holding up pipes with flammable liquid in it" they're askin for trouble
Imagine if that propane sphere had exploded. That'd be a big bomb...
Ya think? 😂
Butane sphere, according to the video.
yeah, was waiting for a richter scale measurement
We don't need to imagine it. It happened in 1956
Fast forward to 2021 - Texas still doesn't believe in winter.
I do... was 11F at my house a couple of weeks ago.
I know this guy who narrated this he reads my favorite Bosch books and lots of great audio books, thanks for all your reading if you ever see this
I agree! His voice is pleasing and he actually knows how to pronounce words. Unlike some other sites that use those stupid Robo voices, drives me crazy. Peace
That factory fire kicked off like a Rube Goldberg machine.
As a retired construction worker, I've worked in chemical and refinery plants at various times over the years. The plants seemed substantially neglected, in bad need of maintenance, and a accident waiting to happen. Most were in area's close to residents, and subdivisions. It always concerned me. I'm glad I don't ever have to work in another one. Still though, I feel for the workers and people close by by these plants.
Chemistry in general is a clusterfuck
Yep I'm a new engineer at a refinery and the plant condition is terrible. Fixing equipment is expensive and no one wants to do it. Plus it's rare for engineers to stay more than a few years bc the job kills you internally
Another reason to use Ball Valves instead of Gate Valves. You will know if their not completely closed because of the handle position.
Ball valves can leak past their packing into the atmosphere, creating a hazard that way. There is no totally fail-safe valve topology. What really was needed was basic instrumentation to verify at minimum the pressure in the dead leg, and better yet flow rates in and out the active legs of the rest of the unit. These guys have more than enough money to afford a few $k in additional gauges and instrumentation to verify proper operation.
Ball valves are fine, but easily opened. A gate valve is a slow open valve. Both valves have their useful areas of use.
@@tetrabromobisphenol ef seal packing...
Quarter turn valves, such as ball valves, have a better packing solution nowadays than linear valves such as gate valves. Quarter turn of the valve shaft creates less friction on the valve packing. In a linear valve the shaft rotates and moves upward / downward, putting way more stress on the valve packing.
I have no idea whats going on but I like listening to you guys.
i want to become a corporate citizen.
that way,
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i can do whatever i want,
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without ,
consequences.
Is that also your approach to formatting a paragraph?
Your formatting reminds me of u/HaikusBot
@@ACoalitionGuy i hope you have a nice day
@@augustreigns9716 I hope you have one too
@@ACoalitionGuy thank you
I quit at the Strathcona Esso refinery because of safety. Every time I watch this channel I'm reminded what a good decision that was. What good is $$ when you're dead?
I am retired and never worked in a factory. But...your channel helps me appreciate you and all the things you try to fix after the fact. Fascinating!
I have no desire to work in these fields, yet I'm captivated by these videos
I have been binge watching these things, now everything I do throughout the day has this narrator's voice in my head, like I'm at Taco Bell ordering a burrito then the announcers voice comes on about how ignorant I was to the consequences
Damn, Valero doesn't have a very good safety record. There's also those two guys who died from nitrogen narcosis.
And how many of these “recommendations “ have been implemented? Probably very few if any csb has no enforcement power they only seem to recommend things
Eagle point NJ is now closed. All instrumentation was air operated. The emergency knife valves on the gas lines were set to fail open on the asphalt unit. I freaked out and asked why. You wouldn't want the unit to shut down just because we lost electricity would you. I said like if there was a fire and it burned thru all your control tubing? Omg. Place scared the crap out of me.
This is RAW content, concocted and conceived by an entity of consequence. This is the central identity of UA-cam, a real platform for real people. Kudos U.S.C.S.B
edit: C.S.B to U.S.C.S.B
Two sentence horror story:
You're at work. The USCSB music starts.
Instead of learning for my business studies exams I’m binge watching CSB safety videos, honestly I’m a better chemical/ electrical/ delta P supervisor than a business student
Idk why i find these csb videos so interesting... But i do
I wish you guys would do the Cosden Refinery (was Alon at the time and now it's owned by Delek) fire and subsequent explosion in Big Spring, TX on February 18, 2008, which happened to be President's Day so workers were running a skeleton crew (so I've been told; call me a conspiracy theorist but there are too many coincidences for me to think this is fraud related). My parents' house still has a severely cracked concrete foundation and severe cosmetic cracks inside the house in the drywall from the explosion because my dad never contacted them to fix it.
More info can be found at:
-- www.newswest9.com/article/news/local/explosion-at-big-springs-alon-refinery/513-6d5f8d70-7361-41db-89ed-70d50833c384
-- www.mrt.com/news/article/Oil-refinery-explosion-rocks-Big-Spring-7491199.php
-- www.oaoa.com/bsh-jury-finds-negligence-in-2008-refinery-explosion/article_4d79a455-ac9d-5842-8a37-1aabab40c5da.html
Dead legs or about any decommissioned pipe or container that had or has bad substances in it and is not rendered inert may come back to bite you. This illustrates reckless oversight of degradable materials on site.
I bet the bean counters fully depreciated the structure each year.
But guy on site did nothing about its potential need for scrutiny.
Many underground gas&petroleum lines are not removed from the ground once they are decommissioned (often due to deterioration) posing potential problems.
Tries to save relatively little money on not fireproofing, freezeproofing or removing old rusty pipes, ends up getting people killed, AND 50 MILLION DOLLARS worth of damage.
i dont believe there were any fatalities in this case.
Other csb videos depict how fireproofing and freeze protection make it difficult to impossible to inspect for and repair cracks and leaks.
Well really they still saved the 2 million on the safety and insurance paid the 50mil... So the bean counters end up with about the same beans either way.
'Sides. The guy who veto'd replacements is safe from it all antway.
+Raymond Leggs. textbook shortsightedness. spending a little money on upgrades now saves lots of money on legal fees and reconstruction later. it's so simple idfk why companies don't do it.
11:08 I guess shamrock wasn’t that lucky 🍀 not even in 1956
I get vidéos from 2017 and 2019 at the same plant when I searched for this video. Seems pretty shameful.
I don’t know why but I find these videos, along with old instructional videos very interesting
Some of these seem straight out of final destination
This is why I try my very best not to leave tig wire in pipes. I mean, I'm not union, I might get in trouble if I blew up a refinery
Cost cutting and general ignorance and stupidity appear as factors in these disasters frequently, thank you USCSB for making these videos and for your work. I hope you are granted powers to compel other regulators and companies to adopt your recommendations.
they were lucky that the L.P.G. tanks weren't compromised
But that one mentioned was compromised.
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/compromised
These are up there with Unsolved Mysteries! Great Quality!
The "piece of metal"lodged in the seat of the valve causing the entire event looks suspiciously like a welding rod.. freaking welders..
UA-cam wants me to watch every USCSB videos all of a sudden... Challenge accepted!
It's no wonder people in the oil industry get paid so much... Ive seen far too many explosions and fatalities in this industry.
Refineries and gasoline are super dangerous.
Imagine that... 🤔
No shit Sherlock
Kinda like how puncturing a lithium battery is dangerous...
CHLORINE GAS SHED
You cant make this shit up!
Everyone's an expert after the fact. Fair enough if it was gross negligence. Glad no one was killed. Learning and implementing is the key.
@9:28 "refineries don't have to use CHLORINE. There are inherently safer chemicals, such as BLEACH..."
I may be just a pool guy, but I'm pretty sure there's chlorine in bleach, too...
rp- : oh, definitely -- it's just that a bleach spill is bad, but a chlorine gas spill is catastrophic.
If you're a pool guy, then you know how much more violently chlorine reacts when mixed with other chemicals than bleach does.
The problem isn't the presence of any amount of chlorine. The problem is that the leaking chlorine gas could have killed first responders or anyone trying to shut off the supply of fuel near the fire. Bleach would not have the same lethal effect. It's 98+% water.
Industrial Flamethrower 2.0
I want to know how the metal object got in the pipe and managed to get stuck in a spot that prevented full closure of the valve.
Welder upstream dropped a 6013 rod somewhere and it got washed downstream. If the filters aren't designed or maintained properly it can easily get pushed many miles down pipe.
@@tetrabromobisphenol 6013?? You mean low hydrogen if he's welding pipe...or 6010
It appears to have been dropped in or left behind.
everytime i hear this narrator, its like a music to my ears :P
Fascinating and informative videos, you’re doing a great job CSB!
How many of us are not in need of such training but love watching these cause it’s so interesting? 😂
Refinery - noun - A place that I will never work.
The de-asphalting operator was later deassed and faulted.
We don’t have to worry with the Presidents plan….
The lesson here? Doing things properly is not cost effective and it won't be until these jerks are properly punished for putting profit over the lives, of not just workers and emergency responders, but everyone nearby.
All I hear over and over is csb recommendations....Never anyone forced into implementing these safety improvements. Must be difficult to investigate these disasters and be powerless at the same time.
Put a couple managers up against the wall would solve the problem fast.
This video is better than Game of Thrones season 8.
Texas really has a hard time with the cold, huh?
This also blows all the "doesn't melt steel beams" conspiracy theorists right out of the water, since it spells out that only fireproofed steel will withstand the heat of a petroleum fire.
Yeah, you can't reason with conspiracy theorist nuts...remember, they are the same ones who think the Earth is flat and think lizard alien "Reptilians" or whatever are taking over the world.
Safety? That reduces so slightly the $$$ going to the shareholders, and we can't have THAT!
This is some serious Final Destination shit right here.
Oil Refineries are made to too small space (Even that it looks HUGE) It would be lot safer to have space between stations
for every safety guideline written in any industry, someone has been injured/harmed or killed.
we are stuck being reactive. we can never achieve complete safety-proactive state unless you forget about the money
It's not money, it's greed. Alot of simple, cost effective measures and methods go a long way. In this case, installing a simple blind flange that costs $300 installed during routine annual maintenance downtime would've negated the risk. Most of the time, it's pathological cheapskatedness that prevents safety.
in fairness though it is incredibly hard to predict what is going to fail next, the more complex the system the harder it is.
It's really easy to point the finger at money and greed, and there's an argument to be made about the human costs of financial priorities exceeding safety priorities, but it's also true that it's just not possible to prepare for every contingency.
The airline industry is the most heavily regulated industry in the world, yet still many procedural and engineering flaws are not discovered until they incur a human cost. To some extent, that's just how things are; it's a fact of life.
This isn't to say that we shouldn't talk about how financial concerns can cloud safety judgement, only that we ought not blame everything on greed, as that simply isn't accurate and doesn't lead to any real-world solutions.
No one will ever predict and prevent every possible potential for failure. We are human. Accidents are in our nature and it has NOTHING to do with greed. I get so tired of listening to uneducated people cry about companies making money. If you're jealous, go make some money and stfu.
I binge these videos now but when there in a safety meeting ima sleep.. idk why
I was the contractor who was burned in this fire. There were ways of preventing this fire/explosion and the fire did not happen the way the video turned out. However it is second hand knowledge and there are only three people who "saw" it and only myself to tell the truth. Apathy was well at work here along with the most influential of all things in the world, Money.
I seriously doubt that.
Carmen Morris Can you explain what actually happened?
You do realize that his message was written 9 years ago?
AJ Mush you do realize that guy is lying right
...and I was the second shooter on the grassy knoll. Welcome to the internet. Anyone can be and say anything. It's all, universally, bullshit because it can't be proven.
Way more interesting than anything on Netflix... Love it! Great explanations. A lot to learn here.
I feel this not tru coz they would use that weak metrial
Ya . . . it's pretty unbelievable. Probably made up. It's more like a Wile E Coyote cartoon.
Thought allines would have been protected by remotely-controlled valves.
Hank Hill: "Bwhaaaaaoooo!!"
It always seems to come down to a "valve" problem.🤣
Inexpensive fixtures caused many million dollars !
"Instead of bleach, use Chlorine !" 😮😁
"They don't have to use chlorine. They can use safer chemicals like bleach." THAT'S CHLORINE...
It's a goddamn oil refinery - why wouldn't every pipe be fire-proofed??? I'm gobsmacked.... Doesn't that practically guarantee that an initial problem will escalate???
In most of these videos, I was thinking: are they insured?