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Can a woman be an engineer? Absolutely. Can a man be a nurse? Hell yeah. As we move towards freedom should we expect a 50/50 ratio of men and women in every profession? No. Biological tendencies always reveal themselves at large-scale analysis.
I just like the idea that 50% of bricklayers and garbage men MUST be women, because if you really want equality of outcome, EVERY job, even the crappy ones, must be 50% women. It's only fair, right? 😉
@@Tampahop The equality of outcome types just call you a troll when you raise this point, ironically enough. They don't even fully stand by their own shitty ideology.
@@Absolute.Virtue Yeah, they were never much good at trivial details... like facts.
@@Tampahop We'd probably get less production though... 🤣
Nobody who is genuinely making an effort in the push for equality has ever argued that it needs to be 50/50. That's the conservative propaganda counterargument.
The STEM Fields are Sciences, Technologies, Engineering, and Mathematics. since no one else has said it yet. Love the music reactions and love the debate reactions. Keep up the good work man.
@@gtaonline-oldgiga7729 Didn't catch that since I have these vids on for the audio only.
Thanks,
@@anthonysmith6413 Its not that there aren't women who like math, its that spread over a population (millions of men and women) men will gravitate towards math more often then women, and women will gravitate towards humanities. Of Course there are women who like math, and many more who can do it even if they don't love it. Nurses for example, female dominated, but does actually require a good amount of math.
@@anthonysmith6413 all I did was define the term. I didn't give any opinion one way or the other.
@@anthonysmith6413 I was going to let this lie after my initial reply, but now you've angered me. First off, how sexist of you to assume I'm a man. Second, I originally went to college for nursing. I didn't finish that degree for personal reasons, but when I was going for it, I had to take several years of math, science, and psychology courses before I would even have the qualifications to apply for the advanced stage of the nursing program.
I'm 47 years old. At 44, I was a 20 year drug addict who kept relapsing. I discovered JP and managed to actually listen to what he was saying. I'm now 3 years clean, I have a business, a home, and a life. The man is so insightful and has the ability to speak clearly and powerfully. He helped me extinguish the pain I carried inside me for so long and to be able to forgive myself for all I had done and not done in my life. The world needs men like him.
I’m in a similar situation to what you were going through. I’m just discovering JP, any particular videos/books you can recommend that can help me get through this?
Do I need to do drugs first, or can you teach me how you started a business in three years? I feel like I'm fuckin my life up.
Hope you are still doing well.
Wow! But yes, mr.Peterson is a surgeon, not a homoeopath.
Agree.
You know what I've noticed is. Every time someone talks about equality in the workplace. It's always about jobs in a place of power. Never about jobs in a factory, or in a bricklaying position, or at Walmart. Sounds more like they want power than they want equality.
There we go. We can just start kicking all those female doctors, nurses and teachers out of their jobs, placing them as janitors, collecting trash, digging ditches, roofing, pouring concrete, and move all those men to medical/education....equality!! I'm sure they'll love it.
I agree. They want equal shares of the rewards, but get a lot less enthusiastic when it comes to equal shares of the cost.
that's because low paid but highly skilled jobs like the garment industry are traditionally staffed by underpaid women. They don't need to fight for that. They already have it.
@@LynneConnolly let's be honest. It's not about equality. It's about power.
@@LynneConnolly go ahead and ignore construction, commercial fishing, industrial maintenance, manual labor, etc etc etc.
JFC, woman. Just use the ONE convenient example to your point.
How disingenuous can you possibly be?
I’m a woman and I started watching you for your Metallica reactions and binged most of your other reactions. I love these reactions also. I’ve loved Jordan Peterson since he stood up for freedom of speech in Canada or should I say freedom from compelled speech. Anything with him in it is worth a listen. Your very intelligent, interesting and I hope you continue with these sorts of reactions.
This is such BS. For one C-16 does not make it illegal to misgender someone, and second you wouldn't call it "cOmPeLlEd SpeEcH" if you were told that for e.g. as a Professor, you HAVE to refer to your black students as black or African American, instead of the n word. Same for trans people.
@DannyGirl If you want to slur someone as opposed to extending baseline respect, then you can fairly expect some people, including potentially your employer, to not associate with you. If you could show us someone who was actually jailed because they misgendered someone, though, that'd would be a different case
@DannyGirl It passed 5 years ago but again no one is simply being arrested for misgendering, it's not how the bill functions. Also we're rerunning old school homophobia big time when we trivializing something like being trans as a "life style choice" as if to justify precluding any baseline respect for trans people. And if you don't think intentionally misgendering trans people esp. in person is not akin to using slurs, then you just don't understand trans issues. But again if you were fired for calling your coworker the N word instead of black, would you complain that's compelled sppech?
@@MetalliCxZero and yet a father names Robert Hoogland was arrested for not wanting to call his daughter "he". That was last year. But please keep educating us.
@DannyGirl "gender identity or expression" wasn't added until C-16 when it passed 5 years ago. It was a necessary inclusion and is by no means special treatment.
"There’s no way you can justify that transgenderism isn’t a life style choice." The experience of being transgender is something you have, whether you venture to come out and express yourself or not. And of course, the main reason why someone who's trans wouldn't come out as such is the rejection throughout your social circles. You understand we still do not know why people are gay also? Does that mean people who are gay are just living a lifestyle choice that doesn't deserve equal rights protections? Well of course it doesn't. People are trans or gay whether we decide to hold the boot over them or not.
I don't want to start writing books here but basically I'll just add lastly that there's a world of difference in the psychiatry of adamantly disaffirming people's gender vs. not sharing your religious belief
Jordan said something once that's stuck with me: Men tend to want to deal with 'things', Women tend to want to deal with 'people'. That shapes job choices, societal expectations etc.
It's totally obvious too if you've ever had a conversations with groups of men and groups of women. Men talk about all sorts of things they're interested in, like sports, cars, their homes, their projects, politics, their jobs, their new toys (grill, leaf-blower) whatever: they talk about things. And what do women talk about? Men. And other interpersonal relationships, but mostly men. I'm blessed that every year my family gets together for Thanksgiving and has a big feast, and afterwards, the ladies clear off the table and pan through Black Friday ads talking about WHO might like what, and "did you hear about X person?" And the men go in to the living room and watch football. Another classic example, my aunt did one of those Ancestry things and was showing all the ladies of the family, and she brought it in to the living room with all the men watching football and talking cars and it did NOT get the same reception and level of enthusiasm from the men as it did from the ladies lol.
@@djjazzyjeff1232 as a guy I've held entire conversations with my brother about guns, current politics, my car problems, a water leak, games, deals going on at a store and my block getting new sidewalks without talking about a single person outside of examples. I talk for 30 seconds about a coworker and that's it. 2 hours about the affect different powders cause to guns or which rounds are closest in size but a single sentence about a co-worker getting mad at work and on to cars.
@@Aaroncarter95 It's just how we're wired. Our interests. Men (generally) are interested in things, women are interested in people, namely men.
@@djjazzyjeff1232 This is a very anti materialist and essentialist argument.
It has nothing to do with how we're wired and everything to do with what we have been taught.
Humans are products of our environment, and esentially everything we think, and do. Is shaped by that.
There's a person who grew up in a pack of wolves. That person acts thinks and behaves like a wolf. Because humans are social species, and their environment shapes their personality, thought patters, everything about them.
Jordan peterson's counter arguments to feminists usually boils down to, women just choose to be nurses while men choose to be engineers.
Why do they do that?
It's because we have been taught by society's gender roles that nursing is a feminine occupation, while engineering is masculine.
Jordan Peterson would never admit that, because it would basically be admitting that patriarchal ideals oppress both women and men, and he's politically motivated to oppose that.
@@astralgod6448 You must've not listened to this clip at all because when asked "why do they choose that" he proves that it's because they're wired biologically to do that. He points to Scandinavia where the most effort has been done to eliminate societal pressures, which is what you're talking about, and the differences MAXIMIZE there, not minimize. The less societal pressure, even MORE women choose to be nurses and teachers and even more men choose to be engineers. You either didn't watch the video or you're intentionally ignoring what was said.
Alex your point is spot on that it's not "evolution OR society", it's "evolution AND society". Peterson covers this A LOT in his *Maps of Meaning* lectures (which are the 'raw unfiltered' material that got distilled down into his books. The books are great, but the lectures have WAY more stuff in them). Any policy that assumes just biology or just society is going to fail because both are at play.
If you want to see a lot of females in STEM, look at India or China. Women doing jobs that pull a large wage but are not typically of interest to women are very strongly represented in countries where poverty is significant and endemic.
When you face starvation as an alternate, you go hunting for the best paid and most stable employment, right? Doctor, engineer, IT etc, developing countries have a far higher female participation rate in typically male dominated careers.
Biology will win most of the time once societal pressures are removed, which is born out by the Scandinavian results. So evolution AND society is a reality, but the balance between the two slides further towards evolution the more societal pressure is relieved.
Or put simply, if you don't force women to do traditional men's work, they won't volunteer for it. Equality of outcome = putting a gun to the head of people and forcing them to do something they do not want to.
Society is a product of biology and environment.
That reminds me of his discussion/water boarding he had with Cathy Newman over the gender pay gap. She kept trying to push the idea that it was all about sex while Jordan Peterson indicated it was just one of about eighteen different factors that might be involved. Cathy just kept ignoring his argument.
The maps of meaning book is actually much thicker in my perception, the lectures are pretty fun, reading the book is like a uni assignment lol.
Yes! 100% this.
The Southern California study is a great example of a study designed to support an argument. Men and women are largely the same. But Jordan points out how it's flawed/biased. In fact, the factors that are NOT the same are the factors relevant to the question.
(I also like that she started by saying the data he was referring to was "a theory". When he pointed that out, she immediately started trying to pull data from wherever she could pull it.)
I found it also funny how she tried to use his own "rule No. 9" against him - only thing is, she doesn't know anything about the scientific data on that which Peterson doesn't know. She is just in denial of the empiric evidence and tries to bluff.
@@SiebAir How this been a more contentious debate, Jordan’s obvious reply could have been, “Good, I’m glad you are trying to put that in practice.”
Her logic is astonishing.
The last guy: "We're actively trying to get more women to work I.T., but they're not interested."
Her: "Well as long as we frame it as "I.T. has more men, and we're trying to get more women into that area, it won't work."
Geez - How much denial can one have?
I'm surprised she didn't accidentally say "Well just because women aren't interested in that field doesn't mean we shouldn't keep trying to push them into it."
That's the part that ticks me off. If I had really wanted to declare that as my major, my mom would have been right behind me. I did struggle with math, ( and not cause I'm a girl, STEM fields are very visual, I'm auditory ) but I eventually passed the required math in college. My late husband was able to break down a few things for me. It's just not my thing.
@@SymphonicEllen 👍 Lots of things aren't my thing, either. Same for most people. We just find where we fit - according to individual talents. Cheers
@@SymphonicEllen The majority of *men* aren't interested in STEM. I have a degree in computer engineering and the vast majority of my class was male, but there were probably 20 male business majors to every 1 male engineer. These fields are really hard and you have to have a passion for them, male or female. The "average male" or "average female" is not trying to learn advanced calculus or how to create embedded systems electronics diagrams based on advanced binary logic gates.
It just so happens that the majority of this small group of people interested in complex systems that require years of dedicated focus and education are male, probably in large part due to average differences between the sexes in interests of "people" vs. "things." The idea that a bunch of male engineering students are a "boy's club" that doesn't want any women around is so laughably ridiculous that it should be obviously nonsense on its face. It's not like I had zero female classmates, and many of them were absolutely brilliant. But they had the passion for it, and if you don't, engineering just isn't the right field. I don't understand why this is so hard for people...I'd make the world's worst psychiatrist (my technique would probably be along the lines of "have your tried not complaining and crying about everything?"), but nobody is worried about the mental health profession being "discouraged" for possibly-on-the-spectrum males.
I love JP he's helped my husband he's 52 and he has changed his life a few years ago. Lost 150 lbs , quit drinking and really just worked on himself . He's never been happier and im so proud of him. It's never to late to get your shit together. JP is an amazing man , the people speaking bad about him are just truly ignorant and are not paying attention.
The fact that she thinks that more representation in the media would increase the rate of woman in something like the IT section is so funny. It's like trying to get them into gaming by just increasing the representation. You just can't change their interests.
That's why 50/50 representation doesn't work without forcing them into jobs they don't want to work in, woman and man just have different interests and that's something everyone has to accept.
Exactly! I'm a woman engineer (electronics) and we had 4 girls out of 60 people in my collage class.. How the hell do they expect to have 50/50 representation? If a girl wants to go into IT no one is stopping them... Nothing scares me more then companies that are hiring based on gender/ race rather then skills and experience...
"it's like trying to get them into the gaming by just increasing their representation, you just can't change their interests"
Have you ever played any game with voice chat on? Or at the very least, if you had voice changer and change your voice to woman's? Gaming community is so toxic it makes Chernobyl Exclusion Zone looking like amusement park. You literally have compilations on UA-cam where gamers pig-scream death/rape threats at women and tell them to get back to the kitchen.
Or maybe, just MAYBE if men stop asking them when they are going to have children and how many willies they sucked to get into their positions, maybe then they will be more interested in those male jobs. Personally, I was fired from my seasonal job for having a period and having to change pads. My boss was male and I had to explain to him basic biology on periods, like being born in this stupid body was my choice. I still have to see men being harassed anywhere near the same amount as women.
All in all, men live in tutorial mode and having no idea how much harassment women have on daily basis simply because they are women.
@@nikapik8946
When you're building a bridge to bypass the Hoover Dam, the last thing you want is for your engineer to be a diversity hire.
@@RebelWvlf your last sentence is called projection
@@martindmunro I like when men completely ignore all of my explanation of how women actually don't have it easy, and just pick the "men have it easy" part. Nice cherry-picking right there.
Tell me which one of us was constantly told how they are not supposed to be at the job and how they should be raising children instead? Which one of us were asked how many willies have they sucked to get promotion at that said job? Which one of us were told that groping, catcalling and stalking are form of flirting and how retaliation against the abuser makes you undesirable to men? Which one of us are biologically forced to have periods and are risking to get fired if they happen to have it on the job? Which one of us have to watch out what they are wearing just so they won't get groped, catcalled and harassed by old, grunting men? Which one of us frequently are getting creepy men in DMs asking for lewds and being sent dong pics?
How is that men have it harder than women when they don't face anywhere near the same amount of harassment and violence as women do? Miss me with that "ur lazt sentence iz kalled projektion" crap, you say it like being born in this body was my damn choice to begin with. I am 28 years old and for all the time I was being harassed by old men since childhood resulted in *me* being deemed guilty and having my looks being nitpicked even though I don't wear anything skimpy, while men were getting away with everything because "itz their role". Miss. me. with. your. BS!
My niece loves horror movies and books and action anime but when she plays Skyrim she bought a house, adopted kids, got a dog and puts effort into role playing as the mother. It’s anecdotal but it shows a clear difference in how she thinks to how every guy I’ve ever met thinks while playing Skyrim
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@@wpriddy or battle everything. The other niece plays it like goat simulator
I was lucky enough to see Jordan Peterson when he came to my campus a few months ago - he’s helped me through some really tough times in my life, especially with his 12 Rules, and I’ve become a much better person because of him…so seeing one of my favorite content creators continuously react to him is gold! Thank you for all you do Alex!
Jordan Peterson is the dad we all wish we had
She's a true B.F. Skinner devotee, even when the evidence (and common sense) proving her wrong is staring her right in the face. Her argument response.. "We're a hopeful people." Yeah, we're hopeful that if we do more of what we've already done, we'll see it go in the opposite direction it already has. I think there's a word for that.. 🤔
I always like to use the analogy of a knife and fork when talking about equality. And I usually say something like 'they are both as important as one another, but not equal'. But you can even use the analogy when talking about the immense similarities between men and women.
A knife and fork may be made from the same material, they may weigh the same, they may both have the same handle which might account for 70% of their mass, they may be used generally for the same activity, using the same appendages and often at the same time...all of this means that one _could_ say they are more alike than not. BUT that's hardly the full story!
Brilliant analogy!
A PBS documentary, I believe it was in the 1970’s, showed a room full of toys. Some were for boys and others were for girls. The adults in the room gave a group of kids free rein to play with any toy they wanted. Over the course of the experiment the adults found that, given a choice, the majority of the boys played with the trucks and the majority of the girls choose dolls. I wish I could remember the title of the show, but it WAS a long time ago!
They have done the same things with monkeys and apes and see very similar results.
If you want to see an equity plan being introduced in a school, and the chaos it created, i would suggest watching the "Evergreen Community College" documentary, it is in 3 parts. Really interesting, and twisted in it own sense. That was my experience while i watched it.
oh boy. yes, please watch it, alex!
Gotta love Brett and Heather. Great professionals in their field and were also great professors.
Evergreen is a total S.H. now, very sad what they did to that place.
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"Assume everyone you talk to knows something you don't."
Quotes him and then proceeds to say why SHE is right and he should listen. Glad she took that lesson to heart.
That lady just doesn't get it. She believes it's all about "imaging" when the problem she has fight is level of interest. It's noted fact that numerous psychologists have pointed out that women men are more industrious (as Jordan pointed out) and women are more emotional and empathic. These two traits have a tremendous impact on the interests of individuals. This is why men are more geared toward jobs involving physically laborious and technical jobs like skilled trades, building, designing and fixing things, while women are more apt to go into fields like education, nursing, medical, etc. that deal with the care and teaching of people. There are obviously exceptions to this rule; many of us have seen male nurses and female engineers. But let's keep in mind, this all occurred via free choice. There is no one stopping or dissuading women away from becoming engineers and likewise, no one is trying to keep men from become nurses. The notion that the outcome being based on media portrayal is absolutely ludicrous and without merit.
The equal outcome these people wish to achieve can only come about by undue influence from society and legislation which is nothing more than tyranny no matter the source as it interferes with the free choice of people. We need to let nature take its course, let people decide what is best for them based on their own interest, skills, dreams, and goals.
Your question should be ...Why are they so adamant to force the issue ?.....What is the goal of these people ? , assuming they understand this clear data set , yet still ignore it ?.....When you answer that it becomes clear their intentions are not for the better of all , just the better for division and control....
STEM is:
S - Science
T - Technology
E - Engineering
M - Math
All requiring a university/college level degree and they are all heavily dominated by men, despite universities/colleges being more than 50% woman.
I'm a man who is currently studying Mental Health Nursing at University. I am happy to say a good third of the class is male, so I believe societal views that "only women are nurses" are changing. Because, let's be honest, having balanced male and female views in the nursing setting can only be a good thing. Plus some people may be more comfortable dealing with certain genders when at a hospital.
That's very nice. There's definitely a prejudice towards men in the medical industry especially when it involves aiding women and children. It cannot change over time, for sure, and I hope for improvement in the future.
It's so incredibly hard to try and listen to the other panelists "reason". They not only lack the basic knowledge concerning the topic but they're also incapable of even attempting to listen to either a valid argument or just plain facts. Keep these coming Alex! You're great
Interesting that as soon as the woman quoted the chapter of JBP's book he said nothing more. My perspective is that he decided he would rather stop on top of a hill he created than continue with an argument where the other person hadn't considered engaging with the rule herself. She had her idealogical stance and wasn't shifting and because she couldn't win, she used that old trick. I don't respect that.
There's an old sales trick that this reminds me of. Car salesman are one area where this technique is taught. The idea is simple... You give your pitch in a confident and friendly tone to help them accept the information in front of them, then you hand them the pen to sign the deal, stop talking, and look them in the eyes. The premise is that if you continue speaking then you are continuing to pitch and explain things from a weak position and you feel like you have not swayed their judgement. Wheras not speaking gives the perception that you have provided more than enough data for the customer to be confident in signing. Basically, you can talk your way out of a deal faster than the buyer can.
In this scenario, the stop talking method has larger and indirect effects. Jordan knows that the woman he is debating will not see the irony or hypocrisy, or admit to it, because she has to defend her initial position in that moment. He doesn't have to convince this individual, he wants to sway the audience. So he makes the points and then lets her unwittingly validate his position by talking too much. She goes home thinking she got to say more and thereby sway more opinions, but Jordon is content that the majority of viewers saw the irony there.
she was trying to convince Jordan that she had something worthwhile to say, but she clearly did not. She just talked about how we don't know yet because her idea had only been implemented 95% of the way and not 100% yet. Clearly that last 5% will completely up-end the clear data trend that preceded it for the previous 25%+.
My favorite story to explain, or that I use to explain, equality of outcome is the Greek myth of Procrustes.
Son of Poseidon and obviously deranged yet talented smith, Procrustes would invite any traveler to lodge with him. He lured these travelers to an iron bed and would either stretch them if they were too short or cut off limbs if they were too tall. No person ever fit the bed exactly. It's said that Zeus sent Theseus to kill Procrustes, because the god found harming a houseguest to be abhorrent (it might've been the only good value he held). Theseus caught the man, tied him to his own bed, and gave him the same treatment. Shockingly, even the designer of this bed did not fit it perfectly.
Equality of outcome is nearly impossible to achieve. All you'll manage to do is force people into situations they don't like and harming them to fit your idea of "the right" outcome.
Edit: STEM = Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics. They are "hard" careers, more concrete, more objective as opposed to soft and subjective. It requires a certain type of mindset that leans more masculine. Even the women in my life who are STEM have this mindset, but they're not the majority by far. You can't tell a girl to adopt that mindset and then if it doesn't work out that she was not smart enough or good enough to do something she didn't want to do in the first place. I wonder if this connects to the push that boys can "become" girls, for the sake of achieving that illusion of equality of outcomes? "If girls don't want STEM, make boys pretending to be girls do STEM."
Just how it starts is ridiculous. Asking her what her thoughts about quality are and her one answer is freedom. Then when he asks her to explain, her response is that a quality is better for everyone. And that is the shallow thinking of politicians that just run off of slogans with no actual substance
Hey Alex. STEM is an acronym Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math. So any jobs that fall under these 4 groups are considered stem fields.
Great stuff Alex. Being a woman I really have to fight against emotional, knee jerk reactions when it comes to women's issues and stay open and receptive to actual facts.
I think people should stop seeing themselves as women. I mean its important to recognize the fact that you are a woman. But stop pushing for policies that only benefits women. My mom used to say she doesnt get the idea with pushing only women to strive for the best, and there is hardly any encouragement for men. So as a mother you have 2 kids, 1 boy and 1 girl. Does that means I should only care for my daughters right and not my sons right. I think it is best if people stop looking at themselves as if they belong to a certain group and category and you must be fighting for that group to succeed. Just focus on you and your family and you will reach the mountain top if you became the best leaders of your own circle of influence.
@@secrets.295 I like that! It's just a reflex that's why I said I have to check myself. I don't have a family, it's just me. And from the sounds of I most likely got a lot years on ya. I've been on the receiving end of blantant sexism, on many occasions. We've come a long way and that's what I keep in mind but like I said it's a reflex.
@@secrets.295 and you're right men, really get the short end a lot and have heavy expectations put upon them.
@@AK00777 But I bet you never stop to think about all of the people in your life and those you contact every day who either treat you like everyone else or treat you better because you are a woman.
@@Tampahop how could I? I have no perspective, I only know being woman so I would have no way of knowing if anyone would treat me differently. I do know being an unattractive woman I am treated very differently than other women. That I know for a fact. Men are visually oriented so I generally never acknowledge them or make eye contact, I just stay out of their way because they are usually very rude to me.
I laughed when she brought up rule 9. You don't say anything that is new. He has a valid argument to oppose anything you say. What exactly do you want to teach him?
LoL good point. She seems to think that in spite of the fact that it's going the opposite direction in Scandinavia, that somehow it will still work out the way she wants.
Her "But it's not done yet."
Him "But it's having the opposite effect."
Exactly. How would it suddenly get better?
She thinks she's being clever. By invoking the chapter, the inferred message is that Jordan isn't following rule 9 in conversing with her and is in fact a hypocrite. Always the classy sign of someone who has completely failed to make their point in the conversation, bail out and go ad hominem.
@@saviourself687 Yes, trying to be clever, but forgetting that Jordan Peterson is by trade a clinical psychologist who instantly knows what she’s trying to pull. He’s being polite by not pointing that out.
Why can’t SHE use that rule? Why can’t JP know something she doesn’t know.
@@amyqb117 JP definitely knows things she doesn't and she definitely know thing that JP doesn't.
But in the context of the conversation she used the rule as an argument. If she saying the same things feminist complains about for decades there is nothing new to learn from it. He had a valid reason for why things are as they are and it is not because of gender and she basically came out and said if you don't agree with me you are not listening to me when it's the other way around.
I don't subscribe to reaction channels, but I watch them from time to time, and I must say that you are one of an extremely few with genuine reactions. Not gonna subscribe still, but gonna continue watching especially your reactions to political figures and conversations
Fair enough! Thanks for the honesty and the comment! Hope you’ll subscribe one day!
i thought the same thing and then i realized a subscribtion doesnt hurt me a bit :D
Watch them from time to time. Sure. I was there. Didn’t want my personal feed flooded with them. But do your research like you have. You’ll end up finding opinions as a way of discourse in the ether. I ended up subbing to a few, Alex being one. Didn’t harm a single thing. Feed only full of what I’m watching at the time.
You reacting to Peterson makes me so happy.
This man has been through a lot, mostly because of people who never heard him talk and never read his books. For years he has been condemned by people who saw him with the wrong people or read some headlines and who never even bothered to try and listen to what he's saying. Who made him, one of the most respectful people on the planet, into an actual Marvel villain (!), destroyed his career as a professor and painted him as a cruel & right wing person. A victim of online hysteria. It's remarkable how, whoever just listens to him or gives him a chance, ends up at least respecting him despite differences as a reasonable voice. He just isn't the guy people paint him to be, he isn't in the same category as those other clickbait debaters. No, he is one of the most important thinkers of our time and so many people would benefit from his wisdom if their view wasn't clouded by the prejudgemt of a whole army.
LOL! Love that intro, Alex. That is so my energy in 2022.
In response, "Never more ready." 😁✊
This is really interesting. I'm in my mid 30s and from Finland, and I have never been told that I couldn't do something because of my gender (female). I also can't remember teachers/parents making any differences between boys and girls when talking about careers or life choices. I know there must be a lot of people who will try to guide their children towards some things just because they think women should do this and men should do that, but can't remember any of my friends ever mentioning that their parents would not allow them to pursue a career of their own choosing. That being said, there is a quite clear division between the career choices of men and women here. This is of course just my personal experience, but I do think my generation has had quite equal opportunities (in terms of gender) to choose.
Thanks Alex! I found your Linkin Park reactions first but happy to see the other videos are worth watching as well.
Same. I haven't also heard in terms of the amount of salary given that is negotiated according to the gender. If they do the same job regardless of their gender, they get paid the same amount. That's how it works at least in our country as far as I know.
I have a niece and nephew who are about 6 months apart (from different sisters). For awhile, they lived in the same house and played with the same toys. My niece would play with a doll, feeding, dressing, rocking it to sleep. My nephew would take the same toy and bash it against other toys, wrestling or fighting. She would play with a toy car and roll it from point A to point B "talking" as if on a road trip. Nephew would get the same toy car and zoom it around making squealing tire sounds or car crash noises. Working at the church nursery, I saw the same thing over and over with different boys and girls. We are fundamentally different from each other. And that's ok!
I love that you're branching out into reacting to other things, Alex! Been watching you for quite some time. Your reactions are awesome. Keep it up, man! 🤘
Yay! Thanks for fixing the volume, Alex! I appreciate you.
Toy companies do not say "Let's make this toy and force boys to play with it." They say "What toys/things do boys typically like? Let's make toys based on that." This idea that boys only like firetrucks and legos because sOcIaL cOnStRuCtS is asinine.
Also, it is parents and relatives who buy the toys. So if they wouldn't by toys specifically made for boys and girls the companies wouldn't produce them that way. Why would they produce something that doesn't sell?
Toy companies literally do that but it is up to the parents to purchase the toys for the children
@@Skullcandyfan101 Conservatives always misunderstand what social construct means. This person is claiming that social construct means that corporations direct what is considered manly or womanly when thats not the case.
Social constructs. Means that society has collectively agreed that pink is feminine, blue is masculine. Firetrucks is masculine.
Conservatives literally think its in mens DNA to like sports cars and not that we're taught to like them. Because they have no clue of sociology / how society works. They are essentialists.
I used to use my sister's Barbie chairs as quad-flak cannons. Tip the chairs over and there's 4 barrels pointing up at a 45 degree angle. Perfect for my base!
But yeah, Emma has two moms or whatever.
@@Skullcandyfan101 I'm not so sure. Frequently the toy purchase is done to keep the kid from screaming or crying for the next two days.
He’s always well informed and gets his point across without being rude or arrogant.
But he's an alt-right neo-nazi homophobic misogynistic misgendering racist! And I totally mean that...
/s
I'm enjoying the reactions to this type of content. I can see a lot of growth and learning in the short time you've been watching Peterson; he tends to do that to people who give him a chance ;-) and I hope you keep at it. Nothing wrong with hearing the argument from both sides of the fence, but at some point, you've got to gather enough solid info to form an opinion based on the rock and not the sand. GG Alex
I was so lucky years ago when Jordan only had a few hundred followers to have 1 on 1 email conversations. So deep, funny and brilliant man. Was so kind to just have back and fourth conversation will this (me) broken English Frenchman. He deserves all the accolades he is getting.
Right off the bat she said “equality of outcome” and that immediately discredits anything else she says.
Everyone should be treated equally regardless of race or gender. No special treatment for anyone. No special rights for anyone.
Then you would be ok with disabling 'women only' spaces ?
Yeah
@@wikingagresor Yes and safe spaces..
@@wikingagresor Can you imagine walking into s a safe space with a shirt that says- I am a white Christian Alpha male..I do not need a safe space..
@@davehughesfarm7983 If he doesn't, I'll gladly do it, where's the shirt?
Probably my favourite Jordan video. That interview was just wicked awesome, wasnt it..
Ah, Alex. you are hilarious. I just discovered your channel and don't watch it expecting to laugh, so when you crack me up, it is a nice surprise
The problem with going by american studies is that our colleges are mostly far left. They can find a very small amount of evidence that supports their hypothisis and will run with it. For instance if 5% of their evidence is leaning in their favor while the other 95% is suggesting other wise they will take that 5% of evidence and go "SEE WE WERE RIGHT!"
I've mentioned this previously in a similar thread.
Read "Race and Disparities" by Thomas Sowell. Same Peterson thought process, applied to race. Great objective, science backed read.
Absolutely love watching your content! Keep it up :)
I just noticed something, _Mr. Attorney._
PULL UP YOUR DAMN PANTS!!! 🤣🤣🤣
Those who attack the search of Truth are afraid of what might be learned
Any "scientific" studies that come out of California are immediately suspect. I don't think science in California has the capacity to study anything without an overt huge bias affecting the outcome of the study. When all the studies that support her stands are coming from California, that should tell you that the studies are extremely biased. How about studies from the Midwest? How about studies from Texas? They have science people there too.
He is a walking encyclopedia of science/research. A great MAN, a great Human being for all humanity.
I can't stop either! You're not alone..... 💙
While I can see the argument from societal norms, to a minor degree, it is a really myopic viewpoint. What I mean by that is, suggesting the removal of traditional gender roles is undesirable for a good number of reasons. First of all, and I think rather importantly, these roles allow for greater diversity in talents, skills, abilities and interests, a diversity that is absolutely essential to the success of a large society. Every field has a hierarchy of those who are exceptional and can effectively monetize that skill, and the more varieties of fields we have, the more people we will see at the tops of those hierarchies. And if you think hierarchies should be done away with you simply aren't thinking at all.
Additionally, the gender roles aren't just a social construct brought about by tyrannical men seaking to exert control over others. Rather, they are primarily a result of specialization for the benefit of cooperative family units optimized for successful organization within a community/society. To suggest that a majority of men in leadership roles is a suggestion that women's interests are not represented is preposterous. Every single one of the men in those roles have women in their lives who are expressing, and we know, demanding, their voices be heard. It's a complete and utter lie to suggest that they have no representation.
Finally, gender roles create the kind of structure needed for healthy human development. We have seen the damage caused in recent decades by the "progress" of feminist ideals on society. We have a dramatic increase in mental illness among adolescents and young adults stemming directly from the lack of structure created by these policies. From the increase in fatherless homes, to the increase in gender disphoria, to increased rates of suicide and substance abuse.
And despite all this evidence, do the feminists rethink their presuppositions? No, they double down and blame these woes on the patriarchy. It's absolutely reprehensible.
You got to love how she....
You got to love how she continually wants to go and use data from not a country but a state, california, which seems to have some of the most controversial issues in this country from crime and claims of racism, to drug abuse to everything else in between. Rather than using the best example in all of existence at this time, Scandinavia, which Peterson the one arguing against her theories uses?!?!
PS
I love how it seems like the most complaining about racism and acts of racism come from the most left leaning cities / states in the country...
Because you think that a real racist wouldn't want to live around that type of people?!?!
Thanks. You took the words right out of my mouth.
Love this channel!❤🔥👏🏼
Jeebus man I feel ya on all points 😂😂😂
Alex...when are you gonna react to a JP video when he's not arguing with idiots? That's when you'll actually observe his essential brilliance.
Equality of outcome ALSO means the dude who sits at home in his parents basement eating bon bons and playing video games ends up with the same 'outcome' financially as the dude who works 80 hours a week who makes the same as a gender studies grad who writes a feminist blog. If people are given the CHOICE to do whatever they want with equal outcome, eventually very few people will choose to leave their home and we'll all starve.
(Edit) Re: the media portraying geeks in front of computers, you have to realize that representation of people in IT came about mimicking reality, not the other way around. I was a kid when the computer revolution started (talking back in the days when there were no monitors, only mainframes and printers), and the people who were in front of the computers then? Geeks and nerds! Media didn't portray any of this because it was considered sci-fi. Stories only started putting geeks and nerds behind the computers because THAT'S who was there in reality, so that argument holds no water.
100% exact, it is the most stupid concept which in practice would never work. I would apply to become the new Real Madrid striker and they'd be forced to flip a coin between me and Karim Benzema to ensure "equality of outcome" despite me having never touched a football.
@@jeskaaable Sure, but bright side, I might get to play 2b for the Mets! ;)
@@ArtofFreeSpeech oh I'm sure the Mets won't remain as solid if everyone and their dog gets equal outcome.
"So the Mets line-up today against the Redsox :
There's Fluffy, my dog, at first base, followed by my neighbour's granpa and lastly we have Ronald McDonald as referree."
@@jeskaaable You miss the joke. Sorry... probably my fault. I'm in my 50s. I would suck. The Mets are great right now. I DID grow up with a dream of playing 2b for the Mets, though, so bright side is I get to live my dream. I most certainly wouldn't make the team better.
@@ArtofFreeSpeech i did get the joke, I was simply foretelling the absurd future it would entail ;)
Have a nice day Sir
Jordan has kept up with the studies and stays updated
Hey Alex, love your work on reviewing clips from Prof Jordan Peterson! I'm a big fan of Jordan. I really appreciate that you also think highly of his way of debating!
Alex, stem fields are where people go into different fields and work on stems. If you have any other questions just ask.
@@gtaonline-oldgiga7729 thank you
Fixed audio re-upload?
I could listen to Jordan Peterson talk for hours on end. He has such a captivating way of speaking, sucks me in every time.
I really appreciate your 'reactions', especially since they went extended beyond the greatest of art forms, and even into logics. I just löööv (Swenglish, for Iron Maiden..: ) logics, and love what you nowadays create on the matter.
I participated in STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering, Mathematics), and currently work at a manufacturing facility as a continuous improvement engineer.
I really enjoy these reactions; its refreshing to see other people react to Jordan Peterson, as opposed to just watching it myself.
I'm curious if you enjoy your job. I too USED to work as a LEAN/Kaizen engineer, but I personally really disliked that job. I did it for one of the world's largest international corporations, and then I did it for a national co-op. Both of those companies were so aggressive in their expectations of my department that people would quit after 6 months or so. I stuck it out for 3 years at each place, and by that time I'd become so disillusioned with the job that I moved into chemical engineering, and I'm way more content. I'm not sure if I just worked for two companies that were not very realistic in their expectations, or if the field as a whole is that miserable?
So, I'm a woman, and I honestly can't recall a time in my life even as a little girl where I thought, "I can't do that cause I'm a girl and that's for boys." I think people give too much credit to the true power of social influences. That sort of stuff only has as much power over your life and your choices as you allow it to.
I personally don't care much for the lady's argument in this video because it feels like she doesn't believe in the power of the self-thinking individual.
I am more inclined to agree with Peterson's perspective that equal opportunity does not equate to an equal outcome. I also believe that men and women are biologically different in ways that can and will affect the choices they make.
I also think that simply having the opportunity available doesn't mean people will seize it. Many people who became successful, did so inspite of the lack of opportunity, because when you want something enough you do whatever it takes to get it. And it seems that the people who had to work the hardest to get what they wanted, appreciate it the most. But that's just my thoughts.
Props to you Alex for having the balls to show what you're interested in. Thanks for keeping it real.
We all be doin what source has prescribed for us each n all...Jourdan Peterson is fine human being...ruminate on his words carefully ask yourself if what he says validates what you hold to be true or not...expend the necessary calories and don't be afraid to be triggered...there is no such thing as a 'master"...there are only lessons and that school will never be out...an un examined life is a life not worth living...Ty brother for this
A Dreamer : A Hopeful : A Realist :
Two trying to change reality : One accepting reality.
Him: what is equality?
Her: equality is good.
Way to avoid the question lol
Aww yeah some Hefner entertaining/ education^^
Have a dope ass day bro
Dont kno why that Scandinavian result was surprising. 🤷🏻♀️
Thnks for great content as usual Alex!
3:55 don’t worry, take your time 😂
Flexing from the book shelf! 👍
The part is going to see JP was talking to the wonderful quality people there and hearing the excitement in their voice!
I have never heard anybody else say “Mother Bitch” before lol I’m so happy.
That’s not the only thing I got from this. I just appreciated it.
Notice that toward the end she said more boys need to get interested in nursing. She is so driven toward equality of outcome that she's willing to push for boys to come down the ladder if it's easier than encouraging girls to go up the ladder. Nursing is a fine and wonderful career path for anyone, male or female. You'll never want for a job as there's always a shortage. But it should be the job you want, not the one you're encouraged to take as an attempt to level out the statistical data on wage and income by gender.
I’m sorry Alex😂 I didnt mean to laugh so hard at you hitting your knee but idk why it made me laugh so hard. I’ve been sad all day but that made my day😂😂😂
that is what you get, Alex. once yo listen to Peterson you cant stop. such a well articulated speech, advanced vocabulary and well supported claims.
@Alex Hey man see you are reading Traction, we started that about 4 years ago now at my family owned business it's a great model. Similar/not the same to death by meeting. Similar concepts, I like to project alternate view points because one model is never perfect, you have to adopt but commit to what works for you. Thought I would share! Good work as always Alex!
Jordan’s said on one of his podcasts “women tend to be drawn to people, and men tend to be drawn to things.” Not everything is about money. Women seek jobs they enjoy. 😊
Yeah Jordan is kind of addicting once you start watching him and it's the good kind of addictive because you learn stuff every time you watch him not just about yourself but just good life lessons in general.
@1:08 I’ve been there in my reptile room 😂😂😂
I love Jordan’s deliberation.
No Alex, he's not just saying people will choose different things. He's saying that trying to equalize genders, not only fails, but it drives them farther apart. My reading of this is that, most women don't want to be masculine, most men don't want to be feminine, and when you try blur those lines, the genders move farther apart in an attempt to maintain a clear distinction.
Saw the video title about “Not getting enough of JP” and exclaimed with joy to my wife laying in bed next to me. She sat there and grunted of course! This series is making me SO happy!
When my niece was 10 years old, she enrolled in the Computer Sciences course in school. There were two other girls with her, the other 10 participants were boys.
One year later, only 5 boys continued with the second year course of Computer Science. My niece was the only girl that enrolled.
This year, she is applying for the third year curriculum of CS and she's been told that no one else has applied and the course will not be executed.
This is not about my niece being something special, it's about the fact that no matter how much you promote something, people will choose according to their interests and most PEOPLE aren't interested in CS. The fact that CS demands an above average IQ and an above average amount of conscientiousness to master it, is already a great filter.
Peterson. The layman's hero.
Jordan repeats the Scandinavian study in many interviews... always stuns those he's talking to
Dude ur funny AF! The knee thing at the beginning. After you went offscreen and on the floor while the "FF" caption was rolling, the camera adjusted to you not being there anymore and so the poster of Musk came INTO focus. And 100%, to me it looked like he was , like...***regarding*** you, on your floor, in your pain! Sorry to make light of the owee, I have totally been there with sharp corners recently. But that was a weird/funny moment with The Regard of Elon. Regarding Jordan, he IS addictive, as are you--thanks!
Same here dude the guy is just a living legend
I like your new content a lot!
I like your new reaction on subjects that effects us all and why a lot of the things that mainstream is pushing is not working the way they want them to be. We all have choices and we make our beds and we have to lay in them and not whine and play the victim card or any other card. Have a great day and keep posting👍😎🙏🙏🇺🇸🇨🇦
As a person from Skandinavia (Norway to be presise) I mean we have become more and more egalitarian over the last decades and I agree totally with Jordan Peterson. There is equal oppourtunity but not equal outcome. There is still an overwhelming percentage of females in nursing for instance as well as an overwhelming percentage of males in carpentry, engineers etc. Though, there are exceptions of course. I studied IT/automation engineering, economics/administration and labtech (hospital lab with phlebotomy, biochemistry, pathology and microbiology) and it was differensiert worlds when it came to percentages in male to female distribution. 90% female in hospital or nursing studies and visa versa in the IT/automation studies. Economics/administration was not as polarized but there were more males than females in that programme (I would estimate about 70-30 male - female distribution). I work now as a manager in a hospitallaboratory and we are 3 men to 16 female in my section. In the whole department which consists of about 50 people (labtechs, managers, doctors, secretaries etc) we are only 8 men. Of the doctors the male to female distribution is 5 to 8. Of the 3 managers in this department, I am the only male. This is noe example of course, but I agree with Jordan Peterson that this will not change If people get equal oppourunity… they will still chose in the same way. I mean that hete in Norway they do have equal oppourtunity and choice. To get 50-50 male female distribution in for instance nursing will never happen. The same will never happen in other male dominated professions like carpentry, electricians, bricklayers, engineers etc. mann females do not sant there professions for subjective reasons…
Me neither, there’s A LOT to learn from the guy. I reading one of his books, and can’t wait to get the next one.
4:48 “there’s no where in the world where women are equal” that’s a bold claim in my opinion
Quite false too.
The GQ interview is long but his most savage in my onion.
That woman lives in the world the way she "Wants" it to be. Jordan lives in the world the way "It Actually Is". Mic drop...
He really is awesome.
Idk if it's a corny thing to say but when I first started listening to him I was like this guy is to good to be true, like pick the subject and he has profound, usable information to deliver.
I hope you do some of his religious talks, I always had this hard time maintaining the good I saw belief could for people on the individual level and how diabolical it can become the mass institutional level.
And really nails down the psychological implications of both.
I'M DYING!!!!! WHY DID YOU LAY DOWN?!?!?!?!?!? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Alex you need to check on Thomas Sowell and Candace Owens. You will love them and your mind will be open to something you never knew before.