USS Vancouver - Detailed Look
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Guys, it's an engineering ship, isn't it? Imagine it tractoring a space station the size of DS9, you kinda really need those huge ass impulse engines then. Probably ridiculously overpowered for the ship itself though. But so is a semi-truck without a trailer
And whenever Parliament class ships meet, they find the nearest asteroid belt, tractor some asteroids, and do a drag race... just because their Captains have to measure their... "impulse torque".
Modern Ptolemy class tug?
I love that we got these really beautiful ships which really show that the Cerritos is a kit-bashed take. Its purposely not a hero ship its the back of the line ship. The tug boat. I love it.
That’s why the Cerritos is so great! I love it!
When I look at the USS Cerritos, I get a vibe of mass production. We need a fleet of ships to go and perform basic functions and we need a lot of them. So every part is modular. The pylons are mass produced and stacked beside the shipyard waiting to be bolted onto the saucer. The warp core ejection system is complicated and takes extra time to build into the frame of the saucer, lets throw it into the a separate module and just put explosive bolts to separate the ship from it. Do the bussard collectors really need the protective shell around them? The California-class just screams cut corners in production that make a ship very easy to produce. Would also explain why you can be stuck in the maintenance tubes for days. There are probably more than turbo shafts connecting the warp core/deflector pod to the saucer.
The California-class reminds me of the Yeager-class. It gives me the vibes of a Dominion War-Era ship thrown together from spare parts and after the war given a spit polish and kept in production for a while due to the depletion of the fleet. They compressed everything they needed to run the ship into the available space and put the ensigns out in the hallway because, heck, who needs individual quarters during wartime.
Take one part New Orleans-class saucer, two Disco Connie pylons, a slightly beefed up mission pod from somewhere, and some cut-rate nacelles. Throw them out so that they can support the fleet and keep them going after the war. Heck, the state of the Cerritos even lends to the idea that this is an older slapdash ship.
I think you've hit the nail on the head there. The Liberty freighters built during World War II were constructed in mass with that very design philosophy in mind. Parts of California-class ships are waiting back at various orbital yards ready to use. Starfleet needed lots of ships for basic duties, so the shipwrights created a simple design that's easy to manufacture and maintain.
You are suggesting a decline in post scarcity economics where less resources are being expended on starfleet during the Ceritos period, yet a return to majestic starships for the Vancouver.
@@SMunro Maybe, remember there are some resources that can't be replicated or are very difficult to do so. My main reasoning isn't about resources, its about time. We're trying to build a lot of ships very quickly.
@@roscuro1787 so the Ceritos is a bare-bones ship built to evac Romulans? But the Vancouver is a longterm investment of resources. Its obvious there is a resource availability leap between Ceritos-class and Vancouver-class.
It’s not weird at all for having a similar interior from one class of ship to another. A real world example was the Titanic, her design and machinery were new, but her interior styling was Identical to older White Star Line ships, just bigger.
Evil Totoro
Dude! You have any idea how happy I am to see someone who knows that? People think the titanic was on the cutting edge of design and technology! Best way I try to explain it is the Titanic was a 1993 Cadillac fleetwood sedan while the Conrad ships were like 1993 Mercedes Benz S 500.
Yeah but these ships are supposed to be "years apart." Unless the Parliament class is a replacement 4 the California class then the bridges should look somewhat different.
Mr. Pete Channel needs 800 subbies! My point still stands, Titanic was years, if not decades apart from ships with similar interiors. Also, I have been onboard an early build Ticonderoga Class cruiser, as well as a flight 2 Burke Class Destroyer, and to an untrained eye, they look very similar as well, though being several decades apart. Good upkeep, and refits will do that.
@@Evil.Totoro ok then 🖖
@@TheMrPeteChannel It's a reference to live action trek and how the bridge sets get recycled for lots of classes with new displays. The TMP refit Bridge saw use as so many other ships starting in WOK as the Relient Bridge.
I love how the Vancouver slides right in and eclipses the Cerritos.
OMG! The shuttle is named Marpole, a very specific neighborhood in Vancouver only a local would recognize! ❤️❤️❤️!
and Kitsilano and Fairview!
Think Vancouvers hull looks more Enterprise E while Cerritos looks like Enterprise D
More like C to D.
Reminds me more of a step towards the Odyssey-class Enterprise-F than E.
Nowhereman10 I thought the same thing.
Yeah, I can see that.
@@Nowhereman10 It also seems like a New Orleans class mated with a Centaur-class to create a stocky little baby ship...
I love the design!!! Very aesthetically pleasing to the eyes in proportion. I like the darker hall it appears to have! Whoever designed this new ship should have been in charge of designing the fleet ships for Picard!
The Vancouver saucer, especially the top, reminds me of the sovereign class saucer.
Hey, Eugene Roddenberry is the Executive Producer! It would be great to have him on a Trekyards episode to express his influence in keeping Trek alive & well; perhaps if he's doing his part to try to keep things close to Gene's vision! The impulse engines, like the TOS and other vessels, are 2 decks high, so they are about the normal size for an impulse engine, but they are more extended from the main hull, like an Excelsior class, that's all.
The nacelles are totally different. The only similarity is a line down the middle.
From the underside with the underslung navigational deflector the way it connects the Saucer section Reminds me of the star trek online Odyssey class.
I think the Cerritos looks like it was made more around the same time as Enterprise C. Combine that with the odd looks and it makes fit more into the "misfit/underdog" role i think they're going for. While the Vancouver is a "modern" ship with all the bells and whistles and something all of Starfleet would love to serve on.
The Parliament class ship looks awesome. I loved it. But did anyone else notice the CANON OLYMPIC CLASS SHIP that Mariner served on before, when they did the TNG movie uniform scene?
This ship is great! Happy to see a real TNG style ship after so long.
This looks like a mix between the Akira, Miranda & Luna classes.
I was recently googleing my old ship uss vancouver lpd 2 (a amphibious ship) I was surprised to see both my ship , and now a star ship with the same name , now I can tell my kids I trekked around the world and the universe on the "van-can-do" when I was in the navy. how cool is that
One of the best ship designs out in a longtime for canon!
two thumbs up!
The Parliament Class looks like a cross between the Luna Class and STO's Reliant Class.
I think the Cerritos has a cost-cutter look to her, which is fine. Designed to be easy to build, easy to maintain, and easier to replace than the big Galaxy-class and other higher-end starships. And it looks like there's plenty of space between the engines and the main hull for big cargo modules, etc.
To me it seems to be a transitional ship from the TNG design era and the First Contact fleet. It has elements of both design styles.
Though contemporaneous to the USS Galaxy (circa 2357/60)
it also has the same nacelle style as the Exeter from Star Trek Online.
I really love how the Cerritos looks like a kitbash that is meant for something far off in the background.
"It's using the same saucer"
.....except it doesn't? the only thing thats similiar are these cutouts, but otherwise the saucer is quite different and also the entire configuration of the ship so i do not see it as a "updated" California but a new Ship Class.
loved the shuttle craft called Marpol named after the suburb in Vancouver.
And Kitsilano, and Fairview...maybe more?
What I wasn’t to see is a California Class Star Ship named USS Barstow that’s used as a threat to Star Fleet Officers. Like “Do that again Ensign and you’ll be sweeping halls on the Barstow”
I don’t know, I hear the Fresno is worse.
Beej
Fresno would be bad but Star Fleet would have a hell of a time finding crew members that can pass a drug screening to man the bridge. That ship would be the only one in the fleet where Heisenberg blue sky is on the replicator menu.
@@beejcarson Welcome to the USS Weed. (Seriously, there is a Weed, California by Mount Shasta)
A sewage scow, the Harcourt Fenton Mudd.
@@beejcarson Worse than the Bakersfield? (I am a local lol)
Two thumbs up 👍 for the Vancouver-named for a city I used to live in. Home away from my Texas home! I also loved seeing a continuity flashback in this episode to the First Contact/late DS9 uniforms. Lower Decks did not ignore them! It is really great seeing a generation 3 Trek series un which the showrunners, in this case, Mike McMahan, have actually WATCHED Star Trek! What a breath of fresh air! (Seeing the Olympic-class docked at DS9 was cool, too!!)
I feel like the Cerritos (California Class) design is directly contemporary with the Galaxy, probably being constructed just after the Galaxy line started shakedowns, so right in the early 2360s, which would make the ship 15-20 years old by the time of Lower Decks. Add the tidbit that MM says that the Cerritos has undergone a couple of refits over its time.
I like the design of the parliament class. It's very sleek and very streamlined.
Scale looks strange. We know that from outside walk of Rutherford on the saucer rim of Cerritos windows are size of people standing, so windows on Vancouver are three times bigger.
The cerritos is the underapreciated workhorse of the fleet, its a good change of pace from always focusing on yhe top of the line best ship possible that the other series are about
I love that they named the shuttles after actual neighbourhoods in Vancouver!
Very cute that the shuttlecraft are the Marpole and the Fairview.
I think that the California-class has the type of ship design that could readily be mass-produced as a basic patrol vessel.
The next Miranda, it’s going to be around for a century.
I think you're right. She's Starfleet's answer to the Liberty ships built during World War II. Easy to mass produce and maintain.
In my mind this should be the Cascadia Class. That would balance very nicely with the California Class. It also avoids having to decide if it's named after Vancouver BC or Vancouver WA.
Helmsman: Captain, we are entering the planets orbit.
Captain: Ok good, park it over top of the Cerritos.
Lol 😂
If the parliament is meant to serve as a major engineering project ship it kinda make sense for her to have massive impulse engines.
She probably has to tow station sized objects and structures.
The Parliament-class looks like an update of how the Miranda-class was supposed to look (roll-bar on the bottom, the deflector dish instead of a torpedo bay) except that the nacelles are pointing down instead of up, which invokes the Akira-class.
And the Centaur, yes,
@@chrissonofpear1384 And the Luna class.
The impulse engine pods look like a direct call back to the New Orleans class kit bash where they used highlighter markers painted gray for the pods on top of the saucer
Yes, usually identified as torpedo pods, among fans.
People who hate the Cerritos tend to forget that Utopia Planetia isn't the only manufacturer of Starfleet vessels. When I see it, it reminds me of some small shipyard undercutting a bid to mass produce the California class. The warp engines are very cheap and bulky like you'd expect on a low-end freighter, the warp core is oversized, presumably for supplying power to stations or other ships (hence why it's also likely located in the pod) but also likely due to outdated technology.
And then you look at the Vancouver, which was obviously built by a larger company on a much higher budget. Since Starfleet vessels require modular design, it makes sense for two different companies to use the same bridge or flight deck module but having very different technology levels in other components.
We've rarely gotten to see products from different manufacturing companies side by side in the Prime universe outside of Enterprise, so this episode was something of a treat just for that.
I bet the Cerritos can dock with the Vancouver for larger missions- look at the dark space on the bottom of the saucer with no windows, it's the perfect size and shape.
I can't accept "kitbash" with Vancouver. Tie-in yes. Design style yes. The parts beyond the nacelles and the fact it has a saucer is similar but not even the same and there are a lot of new parts. The escape pod flub nw makes me far more satisfied with the bottom lol. I was thinking it was Universe class windows or something. Also at this size the saucer edge windows make more sense. Good luck Eaglemoss you're job isn't getting any easier.
If you wanted to emphasize the show being about incompetence....yeah the junky looking California-class works. But the Parliament-class simply fits the era better...even as far back as the TNG era. It looks nicer, the design makes more sense, and the interior being the same is not a take away. Just works better..
noticed the shuttle called kitsilano which is a suburb of Vancouver BC
Great new ship design.
The holographic display table seems to be more an evolution of the stellar cartography and astrophysics lab seen in the TNG episode Lessons from season 6 in my opinion.
Would you ask the producer if the USS Cerritos served during The Dominion War? The ship is an old ship and could have served as a emergency supply ship as well as a rescue vessel. It fits that profile. Perhaps Captain Carol served aboard as Captain or as First Officer.
I think an explanation for the Vancouver's large impulse drives is that they are not just impulse drives. They are impulse drives AND warp nacelles. So, when and if the saucer section were to separate, it could still go to warp.
i have to say i like it, then again it does have those Miranda vibes and the Miranda is my absolute favorite trek ship
Great looking trek ship well done lower decks great job
in your hallway opening you forgot to put a lighteffect on some strips next to the holodeck door
I love this design, it's one of my favorite star trek ship designs in recent memory.
Huh, soon as I saw the Vancouver I thought it was just a newer version of the Centaur class. quite surprised no-one else thought of that either
Didn't know there's a USS Vancouver! That's awesome!
The Cerritos looks like a 90s Toyota Hilux that is still being used, while the Vancouver looks like a brand new Toyota Tundra next to it.
I enjoy the Excelsior to TNG crossovers, though. The Cerritos has an Oberth feel to it. One of the reasons I like the New Frontier novels, with updating the Excal to the A.
Samuel - surely an engineering ship would probably need rather large impulse engines?
Just saying, I love the Vancouver. One of my new favorite ship designs. I'd love to see a more detailed model.
I hope the ships from lower decks come to STO specfilly the Vancouver.
i guess that some time in the next few hundred years Victoria is destroyed by an earthquake or something, after which they moved the capital of BC to Vancouver. then it makes sense that the Parliament class ships would be named after cities that contain parliaments.
It's a cool looking ship. Thanks for the video.
I participate on another Trek channel... The 7Th Rule... and I asked the question about why this ship is named the USS Vancouver... apparently it's a reference to the fact their animation studio, Titmouse, is based in Vancouver, Canada.
I love it, hopefully round 2 will offer a model of it.
It makes me think of an Akira class with out the raised pod connected to engine struts, and the deflectior dish spaced away from the Hull.
It looks like the Vancouver shuttles are named after neighborhoods. I see Marpole and Grandview.
I saw Marpole and Fairview (minus the first letter F). Those are indeed two neighbourhoods in the city of Vancouver.
I just scanned the episode again. The best look at the shuttle names is at about 14 minutes. They are Marpole, Fairview, and Kitsilano: those are all neighbourhoods in Vancouver.
Incidentally, one of the companies making the show is Titmouse, Inc. They have offices in Vancouver.
Great analysis guys!
Love it... Hope Eaglemoss taking notes...
I just wish the bridge was a little more different. At least they differentiated it with the orange lcars
For me this look like something was put together to fight the borg or the dominion, big engines, highly maneuverable and compact in design. the narcells better protected. It probably came before voyage but incorporating the second hull and source section.
Vancouver class. I just want to this has a rocking design. I love all of under nacelle design soda class Miranda and so on. Awesome ship.
Maybe in Star Traks Universes there was a HMCS Parliament like there was a USS Congress maybe a joint Project
I like the idea of just ditching the external nacelles altogether and just having a "flying saucer" ship.
Although I don’t particularly care for the California class, the Parliament class I actually really like. I hope we get an EagleMoss model in the future.
Looks like an Odyssey/Centaur variant.
Its looks like a modern kit bash and i like it a little mix of new and old and was that intro music from ST legacy it sounded familiar
I like how this ship literally overshadows and foreshadows.
I miss ships with upswept nacelles.
I think its very reminiscent of a miranda class. Kinda makes me think of the odyssy class
Cerritos looks to me like the saucer section of a ship that lost its drive section so they bolted some nacelles on to the orphaned saucer.
I think it looks awesome.... not quite as good as the Akira Class, but very close to it on my top ten list
Perhaps that Recess is housing the Torpedo Launchers and a Secondary Deflector, with more/different capabillities then Standart Deflectors? Or just, the abillity to slot/house Specialised equipment in general there. Would work for an Engineering Ship.
Agree with the Cpt, it looks just fine and better than the Cerritos. Class name is fine too.
Despite the animation flaws, it's still a cool powerful looking ship.
I didn't care that the Vancouver had ample impulse engines. It makes sense if the vessel is designed around engineering tasks and may need the larger, overpowered engines for towing other ships, stations, containers, or even small moons.
This new ship does look cool.
Wait wait wait , just prior to 12:12 Lower Left Corner Guy (I'm terrible with names) *doesn't* like the ion engines?? But he loves everything with a Star Trek logo on it. o.O
I like the Parliament, and the impulse engines look more modular-- if there is something that goes really wrong with them, they can be wholly replaced and the others repaired elsewhere, or jettisoned if one side has a problem, and lends greatly to having both sides as backup systems in case of any problems, not dead in the water.
I think the parliament class is the successor to the California class.
They are both in the Miranda-line of design and overall very similar, sharing a lot of elements (the fins, deflector pod, elevated dark hull elements), but the Parliament just looks more integrated with all elements harmonious in design.
The California class looks more like a wartime emergency design/kitbash.
I agree, they fill the same role in the fleet, but at different levels. Send the California for the simpler stuff, the Parliament for big boy jobs.
I like the USS Vancouver. It is a very different ship while having some recognizable elements. The biggest thing that I have noticed is, it seems like these ships can all have the saucer section pull away from the units that house the nacelles.
As always, please continue making it so 🖖🏼
It's the new miranda class and just need the new role bar as an arch
I like the "too good" speculation. Similar to Volkswagen when they came up with their first Passat: That's too luxurious to be the best successor to the workman's Beetle, we need something simpler. The VW Golf, and the rest is history.
Fantastic that they have windows on the pylons! That shoulda happened a long time ago for TNG! Should have Galaxy class refits with windows on the pylons now for fan designs!
Other than having far too many windows the Vancouver is a great-looking ship
For your consideration---the Doritos is a little odd-looking because it is a refit of an older, more "awkward" looking ship---also, this could explain the "strap-on" look of the secondary hull between the engines.
Beautiful ship
The Vancouver looks great. I never liked the nebula class as the successor to the miranda. This looks incredible.
The Nitocris class ship was a surprise. I was wondering what you thought of this animated design.
I know you guys are super busy, but are you going to review the new support carriers from STO; the Klingon and Jem’hadar ones look awesome 👌🏻
Vo’Devwl support carrier and the vanguard support carrier...there’s also the Romulan Ra’nodaire carrier and the fed Aspero carrier
at somepoint :)
I figured "Parliament class" was a riff on "Constitution class"
That intro animation is really cool 👌
I look at the Parliament class as a replacement of the Miranda. It’s to replace the Mirandas lost during the Dominion War who were showing their age. It’s isn’t intended to try new technologies, more of a tried and true technology workhorse.