Violence In Videogames, Wankers In The White House (The Jimquisition)
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Videogames, classic political scapegoat of the 1990s and early 2000s, is back in the spotlight as Trump's bewildered administration resurrects an old blame game.
And a game is what it is. A rigged circus game designed only to entertain and placate the masses. The "violence in videogames" debate is a vapid waste of time, and the time wasters know it.
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One thing becomes apparant while watching this video: the video game footage had no effect on me, the real life footage was disturbing. Why? Because I, like almost all gamers, can differentiate between real life and video games. We play games for fun, it doesn't mean we want to see that stuff happening in the real world. People who can't differentiate have mental health problems and need help, it wasn't caused by gaming and to say it was is a handy way to turn a blind eye to mental health and ignore the fact that more needs to be done to help people. And hey, 80% of mass shooters have no interest in gaming, but what does that matter when you have a scapegoat
Really? It had an effect on me. As soon as I saw that clip from Dead By Daylight I transformed in to a big Jason looking monstrosity and I immediately went and killed a bunch of filthy innocents. You'll hear about it in the news soon.
This is what video games do to you my man, they turn you in to a completely different person and all those dead people by extension...not my fault! It was the video games, they did it!
If I were a parent, I probably would want my kids to stay away from violent games until they can properly distinguish real life and video games I think.
But of course, pinning blame on games for mass shooting is dumb shit worthy of Trump O_o
I'm not saying its the same for everyone, but I started playing games like GTA at 12 or 13 and I'm not violent at all. That said, age restrictions are there for a reason, especially as games become more realistic
Well, kids that young have no business playing those video games in the first place, so that shouldn't be too hard.
I mean, letting a five year old play games with such graphic violence isn't reccommended even if they can distinguish between realilty and fiction.
"mental health" is also something they trot out alongside gun violence to deflect from the blatantly accurate notion of limiting gun availability. Sadly though that doesn't mean they ever do anything about it, they blame mental health then proceed to do nothing to help the mental health services in America each and every time. I saw a John Oliver Last Week Tonight episode on it and it is so shamless how mental health is constantly used as an excuse and regardless of if it is true or not, nothing is ever done with it so even those who do actually have problems continue to get ignored.
Trump is just jealous that gamers who played games like Minecraft have been more successful at building walls then he could ever do.
Somewhat on that note, I actually believe Donald Trump would find Minecraft too difficult to understand.
there is no way to make or lose money or get his dick sucked while playing it...so just a waste of time for him.
well not surprising, I mean kids have no issue playing minecraft and we all know a kid would do a better job at running this country then Trump.
I played "Survival" MP the month it came out, and the very first thing I built was a massive wall to keep the (then-nonexistent) mobs out.
*OOOOHHHHHH SHITE THAT IS TRUE*
I played Assassins Creed and it made me want to glitch through walls while doing parkour. #IAmTheProblem
Andy Revell I love you😂😂
To be fair, it *would* be pretty awesome to be able to glitch through solid matter...
Zelkiiro Not if your body becomes... Well like some AC rag dolls become
I played Mario for a bit and wanted to jump on people. It must be those damn video games.
what if you got stuck on terrain? or fell into the center of the earth...
Before video games, it was rock music.
Before rock music, it was movies in colour.
Before movies in colour, it was comic books.
Before comic books, it was non-silent movies.
Before non-silent movies, it was ragtime music.
I'm probably missing some in there, but you get the point.
Yeah they will blame anything to not face facts that first of all, violence always existed and that everybody as always been able to do the worse and they did not need a traumatic childhood or seen violence on screen to do that.
And second of all, the easy access of gun makes anyone who wants to be violent way more dangerous.
You forgot catcher in the rye
People act like violent entertainment is a new thing but people used to literally watch hangings for fun. That’s not to mention gladiatorial combat, bear-baiting, cock fighting, etc. It’s nothing new. In fact we’re allot tamer now days. At least our violence is fictional.
Books written in first-person perspective were blamed once because it was feared readers couldn't differentiate between their thoughts and what's written in the book.
Next is VR
This whole idea of videogames desensitizing players to violence just got me thinking about how the other day I woke up to get to work to the news that some... 117 people? were killed in an attack in... Iraq? Afghanistan? Could've sworn it was Iraq, but the fact that the details elude me without me looking them up already sums up the point well enough.
I'm pretty sure the way we treat actual real world violence in the media is a lot more troublesome.
It's been proven that in an extreme situation, whether natural disaster or manmade, people that play a lot of video games have a noticeably higher survival rate than non-gamers, because we are used to making split second cost-benefit analysis and threat analysis and keeping cool under stress.
Those darn terrorists need to stop playing CoD. It's totally their virtual boot camp that's training them to mow down soldiers and civilians.
Koko nailed it brother!
It's pretty amusing to note that what research there is on 'desensitisation' in regards to media in general points to the fact that the news has a far bigger impact in that regard than any work of fiction.
Yet works of fiction are routinely censored and we try and keep them away from children...
But the news shows almost anything it likes, presents it as an accurate representation of reality, and runs at all hours of the day and night with no attempt at censorship, restraint, or keeping it away from anyone of any age.
Based on the research that exists on the subject clearly the first thing that should be banned, long before anything else, is the news.
But of course, these kinds of things rarely if ever come from anything even remotely resembling a rational place, so...
Yeah...
When I wake up and there's a shit in the toilet, I don't notice. When there's a shit in the kitchen, I notice.
So the Vegas mass murderer was totally a 64 year old video gamer... yes that tetris warped his mind.
Terminimal well slots are basically lootboxes in real life, i guess that dude was just fed up with never getting that one legendary skin he really wanted
Everyone fucking forgets that a 64 year old man is responsible for the largest mass shooting in American History. Fucking idiots I say.
Plenty of folks in their 60s are gamers. Though if 80% of mass shooters in general show no interest in games, and the prevalence of video gamers in the over-60s is similarly rare, then the odds of this particular individual being a gamer must be pretty remote.
DtWolfwood The trauma of waiting for that long Tetris block totally ruined his mind. Can't say I blame him.
Maybe he got mad because Konami decided they would create a shit game like metal gear survive?
But they're right, Jim. After playing Skyrim for ten hours straight I wanted to start riding a horse sideways up a mountain and shoot fire out of my hands. I wanted to see a wagon full of cabbages glitch fly hundreds of feet in the air. These corrupting influences are too much. How long before I start hunting vampires with a crossbow? Forging my own armor? Spawning 10,000 blocks of cheese on top of a mountain?
The possibilities of harm and destruction are endless!
Well if we had access to magical powers, this would be the first acts of violence I would commit! :)
Skyrim enabled me to cram about 2 dozen pounds of cabbage into my face to regenerate my overall health
pewpewetc Thank you for your service. I've started turning iron into gold and summing familiars, I need to be stopped.
I played Tetris once and now every time I pack groceries into bags they disappear!
Read that last sentence as "ham and destruction" and it made this even funnier
the irony of the White House using Call of Duty, a game built on violent American oorah pro-military jingoism, to justify its argument
Jesus the footage of the guy begging for his life was pretty damn intense.
Then I watch a game scene of an airport getting shot up and I feel nothing. It's a game. Even without context I know it's not real.
But that guy begging for his life as a single hand gun shot hits him was painful to watch.
you have just succintly described how a normal functioning human should react to those 2 situations my friend, apparently normal functioning humans are in short supply as of early 2018
if it makes you feel better the shot missed, he was crawling under the table for protection. the only person who died in that incident was the shooter himself, he missed multiple shots and was then ambushed by a security guard and committed suicide.
Took the words right out of my mouth. I feel way more disturbed by that 30 seconds of footage than the thousands of hours of shooting bad guys.
Can't stand real world violence, it's honestly terrifying to me.
Oh wow that was real?
I thought it was a low Budget movie
The devil is in the details. Nobody in their sane mind would fully recreate IRL violence in the video game. They will always cut small, unnoticeable from outside corners, to make it convincing but not quite real.
Maybe if Trump play Tetris, he can learn how to actually build a wall.
Allen Herns I don't know, the Russian music might get him to excited about his next visit to Putin's golden showers
I didn't even catch the Russian influence hinted at in that comment right off the bat. That's just brilliant.
Allen Herns is that why it hasn’t been built yet? Every time he gets a full tow it disappears?
I completely approve this message.
Allen Herns you sure, he can’t build a wall even if all the shapes were the singular line .
Don't you find it funny that shallow minded and/or shady people try to find scapegoats for problems they themselves are responsible for.
strawman
It's all about money, which makes it so much worse.
Ill pick substituting snarkyness for a lack of an actual argument for 300.
Guns or videogames?
Videoguns
Back in the good old days, you could kill a man with a sharpened copy of an outdated fifa games for a $1, these days you have to poison him with ground down switch cartridges. Violence with videogames has gotten a whole lot worse
Nah, you can still find Fifa games if you know where to look. Try the local dump where they belong
It would be pretty hard to poison a man with switch games when supposedly they taste really bad. How about poisoning a person with one of the new EA games instead.
daggern15 Every year I got a new disk I can use. It’s actually pretty genius to release one a year, cuz my shiv never lasts much longer out in the yard.
I'm disappointed that they didn't blame *Marilyn Manson* as well, you know, to be fully immersed in the 90s again.
dem musical weirdos are getting into mah kid's brain and making him worship satan and perform ritual sacrifices, also yu-gi-oh cards have the power to actually summon the devil
Ave Satana, my dude
The Speaker DUDE my mom actually thought yugioh cards were satanic because of the kanji and the stars...
luckily my family isn't superstitious but i had like 2 or 3 friends growing up who could not own yu-gi-oh cards because their parents just straight up forbade them from buying them because they were satanic, and no joke in my country there were ACTUAL NEWS SOURCES claiming that a kid had died because the devil literally took his soul through a goddamned card because of a deal they made, i shit you not, that actually happened, i mean if you can come up with that stuff you might as well give up on news and start writing fiction because that's pure literary gold
Blame Kanye, you know, to be hip with the kids
I find it funny that most of the examples that's the government is using for violence and videogames is from Call of Duty which are basically $60 advertisements for the US Military.
I'm still waiting for our US, 360 No Scope, special forces.
Ian Thomas
Fukken' perfect.
@SkyrimEs5 I just spit out my coke, almost messed up my keyboard. Well played.
Actually, our country has a long history of blaming its issues on inanimate objects. We blamed the demon alcohol for our woes in the 1920s, we blamed that darned rock and roll music starting in the 50s, and on going with other musical genres into the late 90s. We blamed the marijuana starting in the 70s, with holdouts even today, with the massive sweep of drug PSAs continuing forth through the 90s. Then there was the D&D satanism scare through the 80s and into the 90s. As those were waning, we picked up blaming violent video games and Marilyn Manson. It is far easier to blame an outside force, rather than look at ourselves in the mirror and sort out what is wrong with us.
Sean McTiernan didnt know about that D&D shit, im gonna have to look into that. And i also didnt know marylin manson was an inanimate object
Don't forget plastic toy guns. Those things are dangerous, ya know. But the real ones made out of metal? Perfectly safe. We cannot have any restrictions on those at all.
Oh yeah, the D&D scare was real. Check out Chick Tracks: www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0046/0046_01.asp Yes, that was a real thing. And more, I was talking about Manson as the band/music.
I don't think alcohol was to blame for the 20's depression but I don't see it as innocent as movies or video games. Alcohol causes a ton of problems which people choose to ignore. A lot of violent crimes are more likely to happen while drunk which most likely wouldn't have happen if they were straight. Things like random fights with people or people losing their temper leading to domestic violence or even suicides due to it. That's not even counting the many car crashes people have caused due to it. People can make all the excuses they want but it does alter your mental state. I don't believe it should be used to excuse actions but I don't see it as blameless either. Chances are in your life you will know someone that's an alcoholic or have someone in the family that is its that common.
Having grown up with a parent in recovery, that's not accurate. The reason people drink to such excess is generally rooted in something deeper that's wrong. For my dad, he was a gay man born in 1945 to a heavily Irish Catholic family (Irish Catholic essentially assumes EVERYONE is going to hell unless they can prove otherwise). It caused massive dissonance in his life, and he tried to 'play it straight' all the way up until 2000.
Others are dealing with things like undiagnosed depression, mania, and other ailments, or simply large scale stressers in their life. The alcohol is not so much the cause, as the attempt to alleviate the problem for even a little while, a run at self-medication, rather than a draw by the alcohol itself.
As well, bear in mind that prohibition gave us the mafia. No one who wanted to drink failed to get a drink, because in fact, we're totally dogshit at banning things.
Humans have been altering their mental states as long as humans have existed. Banning this or that particular form of it does nothing. Just look at the War on Drugs. It hasn't stopped drug use, it didn't even slow it down, and in certain instances, it made the thing worse by more and more kids having knowledge of drugs they might not otherwise have heard of.
Fun fact: A study found that 80% of mass shooters had no interest whatsoever in video games, in other words you are less likely to commit acts of mass murder if you do play video games
I blame Minecraft for me breaking my hand while punching trees.
Should of love tapped it with a chainsaw
I played The Witcher 3, now I'm a genetically altered freak.
I mean, I was before I played it, but...
Man, between playing Oblivion, Skyrim, Marvel: Ultimate Alliance 1 & 2, Final Fantasy VI through X, and Dragon Age Inquisition, I should be a spell-slinging, dragon-slaying magic superhero badass by now. What's taking so long?!
I played Skyrim, and now I can't stop shooting people with a bow and arrow. Help!
A genetically altered freak capable of committing mass shootings according to current administration
Fuck guns, I want to buy a horse and armor and kill people with swords.
SWORDS !
I played Horizon Zero Dawn, so don't worry fellas. We're good if the robots ever invade.
If gamers were actually influenced by the games they play, there would be a lot less overweight people considering the amount of running, jumping and climbing most protagonists do.
Don't worry, bariatric surgery is on its way
I'd organize a criminal crew for a heist, using thermite
@@artyom2801 so of course you know how to make thermite, make a crew, plan a heist, become a professional driver, a marsksman, a hacker and mastermind because uou played a game right?
@@matthewbrandt5053 I'm kidding but the experience would be really good because my group tasks have in practice led my group in a mentality of "my opinion is 100% correct" and lack of dividing tasks depending on said person's specialties. I've never seen Co-operation more solid than the Payday games (considering in L4d you turn your mentality to every man or woman for themselves).
@@artyom2801 too many of my l4d games have turned into a free for all. I do love payday 2 and the characters in it. I usually play wolf and try to be sneaky yet always say fuck it and shoot everything after the one gaurd doesnt move and I have no more pagers to use.
Happy 200th independent Jimquisition!
Oh fuck really? Picked a hell of an episode for that.
literally just had a heated discussion on gun control over Google hangouts with a friend/ hated rival.
Jim Sterling perfect topic for the 200th episode Jim
Thank God for you Jim. And may you have 200 more episodes.
You don't really have to make a big deal out of this until episode 500, but it is a nice touch.
12 minutes in, and i want to like this video a THIRD time (at least), but i can't, so i'll like all the comments in this thread instead, except for my own.
Happy Independence, Jim!
I remember when it was D&D. Then it was heavy metal. Then video games, then violent movies and TV, then gangsta rap, then video games again, and so on, and so on, and so on.
Through it all, one thing remained abundantly clear: Whatever causes gun violence in this country has nothing to do with gun fetishist culture.
before dnd it was comic books.
and before ? now I want to know
Stupid, dishonest old fucks are always blaming the form of entertainment/recreation that they don't understand for society's problems. They tried to ban plastic toy guns with the same argument, and predictably, wanted little restrictions on the fucking real guns.
There were probably the same arguments made when movies went from silent to talking. I'll fucking bet you there were people saying the same shit. "We can't allow talking in movies, nobody will ever talk to eachother any more! Oh the humanity, won't someone please think of the children? Talking in movies will be the end of civilization!"
And for those unfamiliar with history, that didn't happen. Because every time someone uses that argument, it's fucking bullshit. Literally every single time.
After comic books it was rock 'n' roll...
Yep, it was fear all along!
Practically speaking, why *would* gamers be more likely to commit mass shootings? You can commit mass shootings in your underwear from your couch, get XP, and loot the bodies in a game. What's my reward for killing people IRL? Sure, everyone would know who I am, but that's not gonna help me upgrade my power armor.
GTA V is really popular in the UK. We've not had a single mass shooting in decades.
It's almost like guns are an integral part of a shooting??
Well the NRA / Republican argument is "You can't legislate against evil." So there's simply much more evil in America than anywhere else in the civilized world. What patriots.
Guns don't magically make people want to kill each other. We have police who don't do their jobs and aren't made to until one of them kills someone. We have parents not parenting, teachers ignoring their children and kids trying to literally murder each other. But all anyone wants to fucking talk about is the goddamn guns. Then people like me get to listen to gripes like this from people like you who don't have a fucking clue because they've never had to explain to a fucking 8 year old girl why it isn't ok to break a boy's nose just for bumping into her.
I mean FUCK. There are LOADS of suicides. Bombings all the time. But you won't see that on the news. There's no GUNS IN IT! "There's no guns here and we never have mass shootings. Maybe it's the guns?" Says literally every person who hasn't had to grow up in this bullshit fucking culture were it's ok to literally murder someone so long as they maybe committed crime. Kindly FUCK OFF -_-
Those weren't covered up by the police. Hell, the fact that it came to light was after huge investigations after the negligence of social services in particular. Yes, the police and crime commisioner did resign but that was always going to happen due to the sheer scale and longetivity of the scandal.
The problem wasn't anything along the lines of a cover up as you quite stupidly state, it was more the unwillingness to act on meer rumours which let it continue as long as it did. I'll trust the fact that I know the area, I (sadly) know some of the culprits and I know enough about what happened. Hell, I have the joy of ensuring the safety of the culprits, or at least some of them. I live stupidly close to Rotherham where it happened and I'm a prison officer in a jail close to Rotherham.
Simply put. Your comment about the police covering it up is utter bollocks. Were they at fault for not investigating concerns as early as they were brought to them (late 1990's)? Sure. On topic of the general conversation: Would guns have helped? Like fuck it would. These were taxi drivers picking up kids from schools, care homes and fuck knows where else and abusing them.
I don't give a flying fuck about your gun control over the pond anyway, I just shake my head whenever you decide to kill each other because of petty reasons. Still, I guarantee if there were guns freely available in the UK we'd have a load of shootings because of bullying and such, thankfully they're not.
Okay, Blackacidlizzard, I have a question - You say these cases were covered up.
You feel like explaining *how the fuck you know about them then?*
So either the police did a shit job at covering it up or you're talking utter crap.
Let me tell you about rape in you fucking yank's country.
*95% of the fucking cases aren't even reported because you country. Is. FUCKED.* Most walk COMPLETELY free, and many victims are outright TOLD that the police will refuse to do anything. because of this, rape reported cases have dropped - It's not because it doesn't HAPPEN.
321,500 people on average sexually assaulted in America in a year - Accounting ONLY for the ones that bother to REPORT it. This is compared to 100,000 average cases in Britain last year.
You wanna fucking talk about rape in Britain? America statistically has THREE FUCKING TIMES MORE. And funnily enough, your guns do horse fucking shit to stop it.
And to top it all off - You didn't even cite a SOURCE. Because you fucking *can't.*
If you're going to talk about this shit, get your fucking facts right.
Hows the mueller investigation going
Can we please appreciate the irony that this white house decided to show off footage from a CoD mission called 'No Russian' ... I find that hilarious.
How did I not make that correlation? I sure hope the White House isn't planning anything...
Lmao
Thanks for drawing my attention to this, that's actually hilarious. XD
Doubly funny because it's a mission you can choose to skip because it might be too graphic...but nah there's no ratings or censoring AT ALL
Vidya games are a disgrace!
We should just shoot them all, guns solve all our problems anyway. All of them.
You don't have to ask, I've been appreciating it since I saw it.
Should we blame the government, or blame society, or should we blame the images on TV ?
NO ! BLAME VIDEO GAMES !
We must blame them and cause a fuss before someone thinks of blaming us !
Should we blame the easy access to extremely deadly weapons?
All those other countries that have a lot less mass shootings have video games, and mental health problems, but don't have easy access to extremely deadly weapons.
...Nah it's gotta be those fucking video games!!
BLAME CANADA!!!!
...blame Canadian Videogames?
Idk what to blame, but here is a interestinf fact.
Recently in my country a girl commited suicide wich is tragic. I remember classmates joking that if this was america she would of done a shool shooting. I hear these kind of jokes about school shootings monthly (in europe).
At this point in teen culture i see it is normal that america has school shootings due to mass of guns and europe does not due to lack of guns. The world has made america and shool shootings normal.
mjc0961 Except there are a number of countries that also have easy access to firearms but don't have these events, and the first alternative to guns for mass shooters are bombs, which are just as easily used and a lot more deadly. Oh, and then there's trucks and crowds, we've seen that recently. This Florida shooting was specifically warned about in advance here on UA-cam (details: Florida + Valentine's Day + shooting), which means it had to be planned. (Good luck looking that up now.) It's not the guns.
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4:19 Man who blames games for violence is sentenced for gun trafficking? You couldn't make this shit up, keep it real 'murica!
Kuolonen he probably only did that as a publicity character cover for his illegal activity. Doubt he believed a thing he was saying
Kuolonen he also voted for and introduced countless laws to restrict private citizens from legally owning guns.
Yeah Leeland Yee was a huge California scumbag. A co author of an aggressive "assault weapon" ban and prominent Democrat. He was caught by the FBI trying to sell BELT FED MACHINE GUNS and SHOULDER FIRED ROCKET LAUNCHERS to muslim seperatists in the phillipines (which are now at war with the philipino govt) for campaign contributions. This was during Obama's presidency. Jim is a pretty good video maker and I agree with his stance on a lot of video game stuff but you can tell he's swallowed the leftist propaganda about psychopathic mass killers. He can't really be faulted. So far as I can tell he's from the UK or thereabouts, and there is no serious firearm culture there. Hard to learn about a subject without first hand experience.
'The Devastator' forget for a minute the evil leftists and your opinions toward their propaganda. Consider instead that if a significant problem exists that a large segment of voters are complaining about (such as loot boxes), ultimately it can go one of two ways - either the government steps in and attempts to legislate (make illegal) or regulate (restrict and control) the problem - OR the industry can step up and attempt to self-police itself and increase their own controls or work with the government to ensure that any new regulations are in line with the needs of their industry and community as well.
Surely the NRA is doing gun owners no favours by pushing back on almost every single piece of legislation that restricts gun sales - if they don't get involved in changes that have an impact on the shootings, eventually people will have had 'enough' and the government will step in, and when they do, expect it to go down like the UK or Australia - extreme and out of touch with the gun industry and gun enthusiasts.
At least get some logical regulations in place at the request of the NRA (age restrictions, mandatory gun safes, registration of firearms, background check requirements, no sales to violent felons, no concealed carry unless you require it as part of your job, etc), or else you'll likely have far worse in store if nothing is done - and 'nothing' is repeatedly what is seen as done on this problem by the majority of society.
I have great news m0rthaus. Background checks are mandated by Federal law. Felons having guns is extremely illegal. There are age restrictions on the purchase of firearms. (Connected to the voting age, if we raise one we honestly should raise the other) and concealed carry prevents 500,000 crimes a year according to the CDC, so we should probably leave concealed carry in place since it does the exact opposite of causing crime. Nor does registration actually do anything, which is why Canada ended their registration scheme. It was a waste of money. Mandatory safes... do nothing still So the good stuff you want is already in law, the other stuff is either counter productive or a lot of light and noise with no practical effect. Which is of course why the NRA pushes back against most new gun laws. They don't actually do anything besides restrict the rights of the citizens.
We have 22,000+ gun laws on the books in the United States. The Parkland shooter could have been prevented by approximately 70 odd contacts and reports to law enforcement and social workers. The government didn't enforce it's own laws, didn't do it's job and that's the citizens fault? We need to give up basic human rights because the government fucked up? Same fucking thing happened in Sutherland Springs. A guy who had three different things that meant he couldn't own a gun legally, was able to get a gun, because a Federal law enforcement agency didn't fulfill it's obligations and and report this criminal. What ended his rampage? Oh right, a private citizen, NRA marksmanship instructor, with a AR-15 shot that guy and drove him off, then flagged down a guy in a truck and they chased his ass down because Texas.
I love how literally every *SINGLE* person they chose for that roundtable was not suited for the topic at all.
It's true. Australia doesn't have mass shootings because our censorship replaced the sex in South Park: The Stick of Truth with a startled koala.
(Also because a conservative politician had the nerve to use public outrage to Actually Do Something About Guns but that would be irrelevant, apparently
this topic forces me to defend John Howard and I hate it)
it's also true that australia still has a ton of guns in circulation. the buy back policy only resulted in murders, rapes, and other violent crime going up for a few years.
The AU gun buyback tacked on prison time if you had a gun registered and did not turn it in. This resulted in a balance of power shift that is more in favor of the criminals. Once that happened, they had a massive increase in violent crime. Gun crime went down overall, but many more people ended up victimized by criminals. The overall violent crime never dropped to levels below the gun confiscation and the level of home invasions while the occupants are still home, increased by multiple orders of magnitude.
In areas with high gun ownership by good people, things like home invasions are extremely rare because most criminals are not willing to to break into a house and get killed in pursuit of a used outdated TV and some cheap jewelry. In the US, states with high conceal carry permit holders, and states with constitutional carry, have the lowest amount of muggings, with constitutional carry having the lowest (where you do not need to beg the government for permission to carry a weapon on you). It turns out that criminals are not willing to risk their life in order to get a used and locked smartphone.
98%+ of mass shootings happen in gun free zones, and the exceptions outside of gun free zones are either gang related, or from crazy people going after known armed targets, like the crazy person who went after the police.
If the government wanted to solve the issue of mass shootings, they would get rid of gun free zones.
People in other countries complain about the gun culture in the US, but if they looked at the crime levels in the US, they would see that if they omit locations like Chicago, NY, CA, and Baltimore, then the US will have the lowest violent crime rate on the planet by a wide margin. (The states with the highest violent crime also happens to be the ones with the most restrictive gun laws which ensure that law abiding people cannot defend them self).
Wanted to also add that in the states and cities that enacted strict gun control but did not end up quite as bad as Chicago, they were able to bring crime rates down (but not as low as their pre effective ban levels by massively increasing the number of police, NYC (5 boroughs) spends more on police than the entirety of most states in the US, and that has reduced violent crime over the years, but it is still well above the average for the rest of the country.
+Thomas Jenkins Australia has an increasing number of guns in circulation, but you have to prove that you aren't likely to snap and shoot up the place, that you store them correctly (securely) and that you have a reason to own one to get one, in order to access firearms. Contrast with the US where any asshole can pick up an AR-15 same day in some states (e.g. Florida).
It's also worthwhile noting that Australians aren't paranoid as fuck and obsessed with being preppers for the day the government suddenly becomes autocratic, and generally don't get hard and masturbate over the idea of getting to shoot an armed robber or being able to fire wildly into a crowd of people at a perceived threat, so there's cultural differences too, but I would argue that the NRA isn't exactly helping the US's excessively beligerent gun culture either.
+Neightrix Prime "natural right" is debateable at best, and even if it were I'd take guaranteed access to universal healthcare in any other developed nation over ridiculously high gun crime rates (which are on top of, not instead of, other crimes), rampant poverty and increasing wage gaps and terrible healthcare in the US any day.
1nown the German censorship was worse, everytime a nazi zombie raised his arm for the hitlergruss they put a black censor over it wich is lazy as fuck. The swastkas had bars too wich isn’t really surprising
That news media montage was actually horribly disturbing...
I've played Spec Ops: The Line where I
*[SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER]* personally burn civilians with white phosphorous *[END OF SPOILER]*
and yet watching that montage disturbed me so much more...
Because those are pixels that we call people, that are designed to look like people. They are just very clever dolls.
But when you know in your heart that it's an actual human life ending, that is truly disturbing.
I think the guy pleading for his life really also made it worse, but yes I do very much agree
Add me to the list of people that had to tab out during that montage.
Slaughter Round That's probably because you don't mistake fantasy with reality, thus you have a human reaction to real events.
Slaughter Round if it's any consolation, I believe actually he survived it.
To quote the Yahtzee:
"One lovely afternoon,
Some guy shot up a greasy spoon.
They found by searching through his room,
That he made custom maps for DOOM.
A spokesman for the NRA
Said that things just can't go on this way
Let's ban books, pictures, film, and violent video games, and go back to being sane. "
The dice game?
Jutland Angel no, the game critic.
Christian Neihart
Ah, I was just thinking that the game was way deeper than I thought.
Sir Randall Gaming He still breaks a million a week m8
+Sir Randall Gaming You realise he's a published author now right?
"Father, how was Konami in your days?"
"They weren't shitheads."
*mind of youngling blown*
Andrew Pliakis we got Silent Hill and good MGS games... Do the math
> Opens copy of Call of Duty 8000
>Instead of game there's a gun
>Got the Deluxe Ultra Megaton Edition so bullets are included
>goes to dangerousindoctrinatinggames.us
>load up school shooter simulator 2018 (Ultra-Violence Edition)
>5 hours later
>I'm ready
>Goes out into society and continues to be a functioning member of it because video games don't cause violence.
Perpetual Peter >me doing the same steps but seriously trying to do a mass shooting
>realizing that I’m not in America, not knowing where to get a gun from and realizing that I need to do a serious effort to kill somebody
>going home
>Greentexts on UA-cam
>Gets attacked by Kekistan for doing it
fyl
As if.
Deluxe Ultra Megatron Edition would just give you some concept art of a bullet. Not actual ammo
I mean, it would be included as "Real Bullet DLC" to stimulate player's "Pride and Accomplishment"
I dunno, dude. You just bought a gun and played a simulator. You might shoot someone out of anger because you paid money and never got a game!
doom doesn't turn people into killers. Doom turns people into nice Christian boys and girls who hate demons.
And kill dey asses.
OH SHIT NOOOOOOO, I don't wanna be turned back into a nice Christian boy! :o
Announcer guy: Except this time...Your a Christian with a Shotgun! Here to Deliver the Word of God, through a Barrel up Satan's Ass!
In most violent horror games, you're locked in a room with demons.
In doom, the demons are locked in a room with you.
I'm a long-time original doom and doom 2 fan who always played on ultra-violent, but i'm stuck in doom 2016 on hurt me plenty. That's how fucking hard that game rocks.
Then again it might be my slow potato system. Even with everything on minimum, it gets slowdown in big room fights.
Before TVs: "Fighting with friends causes violence"
Before games: "TV shows cause violence"
Now: "Games cause violence"
Or in short: "That thing you have that I didn't have in my childhood must be what's causing allll these problems, because for sure, I've been a good parent!"
Don't forgot comic books. They were the root of all moral decay near the middle of the century. They used the very same arguments against them that they now use against video games.
Oh right. Because we all remember that wave of kids that killed their own parents so they could be like batman!
Jognt before tv it was probably "paintings/visual art causes violence" don't forget rock music as well
Don't forget books and movies.
Comics, Rock N' Roll, TV and video games have all been blamed.
The only one that actually got affected was the comic industry which then advanced into the silver age of Adam west batman, shark repellent and Two-Face only committing crimes at 22:22.
And even then people said "fuck that, let's be dark again" after a few years. So censorship doesn't work.
I've killed so much in video games........so,so much,never had any effect on me.That 2 second clip of the guy shooting the judge,holy shit that was bad.Guess I'm just lucky I can tell the difference between games and reality.
Nearly everyone can. I don't even like guhs but I like shooters. Its the few "troubled" individuals that ruin it for everyone else. To begin with, we need a strict procedure for obtaining a gun that would make it very difficult for these people to get them.
Clutch Man (I know it’s like 8 months later but I feel like sharing good news for that clip) the only person actually hurt in that clip was the shooter who was shot by a security guard. The judge (who if I recall correctly was actually a school board guy) was holding a notebook in front of him that amazingly stopped the bullet. There’s even some lady that smacks the shooter with her purse which despite the seriousness of the matter, was somewhat comedic.
@@TheCanadian911f I also like shooters. I have also never touched a gun in my life.
Clutch Man he never actually shot the guy, the bullet hit a stack of papers that was on the table.
I don't suggest you watch it, but you seen the one with the member of government (I can't remember what country) killing himself on camera? That shit isn't gory, per say, but it's so much more shocking than any game could ever be.
Waitwaitwaitwaitwait. I thought it was SJWs that were supposed to be working on getting games banned? Does this mean that Donald Trump is an SJW?
Less sarcastically; it's very telling that trrumplestiltskin found footage of nazis being killed distressing.
Axel Kusanagi yeah I brought that up in the comment se action of his little montage. Why would he show wolfenstein and sniper elite if he has absolutely no condemnation or disdain for Nazis
I think your point proves that if you go to the far left or far right, they actually have very similar goals. I prefer to be in the middle myself.
Calling Trump a nazi is such a fucking insult to people killed by real nazis. Plus one more question, if Trump really is a nazi, why is he letting people own guns? You'd think he would want to disarm the citizens so he can take over like Hitler did... Just something to think about
Time2LevelUp no they don't. You have to be unbelievably politically illiterate person to ever believe that.
Ah, because every soldier that worked for the NAZIs was a NAZI, I see. So you're still into slave trading, or?
Bit of an aside, but remember when they accused Mass Effect of being porn because it contained a sex scene at the end?
Fox News completely got away with all that, too.
they also admitted they didnt even play the fucking game. its just an easy target
They could have just waited a minute and used all the SFM porn people made later as "evidence".
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
I wanna like this comment but since its at 69, i'd probably just feel wrong
I remember after Columbine happened, and how the news media at the time was _so_ sure that the reason Harris & Klebold shot up that school 19 years ago was because of how much they liked the music of Marilyn Manson and that they'd loved Doom so much they supposedly planned the massacre in the game with a custom-made level modelled after the school.
It didn't matter that almost _none of that was true;_ while they were big fans of Doom and did make some custom levels, that particular level never existed at all. And it's apparently been said that the duo _didn't_ like Marilyn Manson; in fact they viewed him as a phony sellout.
One piece of fiction they _did_ obsessively enjoy, however, was "Natural Born Killers". Y'know, the satirical Quentin Tarantino/Oilver Stone _film_ from 1994, starring Woody Harrelson and Juliette Lewis as a pair of mass murderers who get glorified by the mass media at every massacre. Harris & Klebold loved that movie so much they used "NBK" as code for their shooting plan!
I always found it interesting that the media never talked about _that_ particular connection much, even though it was right there in plain sight; and why would they? After all, Harris & Klebold liking that movie says it all: they _knew_ the media's response to their massacre would immortalise it (and them) for all-time - a tape even exists of them debating who'd direct their story as a Hollywood film. (Thankfully that hasn't been made (yet).)
Frankly, I think admitting their own irresponsibility by acknowledging that film's connection to the killings would've required more self-awareness and maturity than I've ever expected of the corporate-owned news media, not just then but _especially_ now. After all, not much has changed in that regard, has it? Standards and ethics don't matter when there's profit to be had!
Actually the director was Gus Van Sant and the film is called Elephant. It came out in 2003.
Eh, that movie was _based_ on that shooting (and others) but it wasn't explicitly _about_ Harris & Klebold.
McJohnson - Well it is based on Columbine more than anything else and they barely bothered to even change the names (one of the shooters is still called Eric).
Yeah, but so's the actor who plays him - Eric Deulen. In fact his partner's name is Alex and he's played by Alex Frost, so I'm guessing they just used the actors' names there on purpose.
McJohnson - Yeah I didn’t realize that they just used the actors real names probably because the cast was mostly amateur actors (and I don’t mean that as an insult). It’s still hard to argue that the killers in the film weren’t based on the Columbine killers.
"You still watching it because you want to get mad this morning?"
I want to get mad EVERYDAY!
Why can't we Angry Lads have our own rights to be mad any day, any time, anywhere, everywhere, always!?
I think the most telling point of this whole episode was the impact that two scenes had on me.
Watching the scene in a game where a good.. 50+ people were gunned down in a public station, killed on mass like cattle, and the first real life clip of someone simply saying "Please don't" before being shot.
I've played video games my whole life, and I've seen more fake death then I could count. None of it phases me because I can simply contextualize it's fake. It's like a movie, or a book. You can tell what you're seeing isn't real, and it's something designed for your entertainment. Do I find the idea of people on mass dying in a game to be entertaining? No. Death in video games is something that needs context. It's a story beat, or in the case of something like.. Watching 70 marines get burnt alive by protoss lasers in Starcraft 2, it's a tactical point of the game which isn't the focus. Your marines died, your mindset isn't how cool, or epic that scene was.. Similar to chess, you're planning, thinking about how you lost a vital piece on the board, and how can you recover and strike back?
In the other example though, the simple shot of a man being shot in the chest as he nervously begged someone not to shoot him, I felt my blood run cold and I instantly felt more disturbed then I could put into words. You can slice as many people in half as you want in Warframe, you can nuke whole cities into oblivion during a game of Civilization, or fight to a gruesome end in Mortal combat.. But as stated above, all of those games arn't focused on the violence. Warframe you're getting resources, Civ you're playing to gain political power, and Mortal combat you're challenging yourself in a difficult one on one test of skill. Compared to seeing someone actually being shot, none of the violence in those games means anything.
It's OK to not like violence in games.
But it is not OK to point fingers at them saying they are the source of all evil
Toad The Mushroom OK
No school shootings in Japan, at all, ever. Must be that they don't have video games.
ChrisGrump Your comment is doing the exact same you're railing against, painting all americans as assholes...
so the guy who cut down all of his class mate with a sword is better how ?
san do dont worry about everyone hate the USA intell we have to save them . chill
I gotta prove I’m competent enough to drive a car and show I own a car. Makes you think. If cars were invented when they wrote up the bill of rights, would there be a NCA lobbying against speed limits and traffic signs?
The speed limits bit already was a thing when the government were dropping highway speed limits to 55mph in the... 60's/70's. Can't remember the exact details if I'm honest as I wasn't around back then. Very simply; if someone mentions changing something, someone is going to complain about it and a lot of the time the side with the deepest pockets is the side that wins (not saying that applies to the speed limit thing, just in general)
American facination with guns is weird. While some of their stuff is shit, Extra credits did a decent examination of how they are tied into the mythos of American culture. A mix of romanticizing the tool that allowed us to form the nation.
I'll also add that there was a subtle friction between the states and federal government, so everyone really got into preparing for the day the 'gov'mnt' comes to take their guns. Mostly- they are just grown up patriarchal barbies that you dress up with attachments. You pretend and have fantasies that you will go rambo some day when the 'gov'ment'/gangs come to attack.
Well. The bill says a well regulated militia. The gun nut right have scrubbed that well regulated part out since the 70's
Huh? There are hundreds, maybe thousands of laws regulating guns on all levels: Federal, State and city
Jiminu: George Mason stated that the militia is everyone:
"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
- George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788
"Well regulated" does NOT mean "under government control". It means well maintained and run. This is one of many ways anti gun advocates twist language to their advantage.
Lemeres:
The current Democrats/Left have been trying to slowly chip away at Gun Rights for decades, since they can't just try to enact immediate gun control. The cities that have been in democrat/leftist hands for decades, where you can't get a gun for ANYONE unless you are very heavily connected are one major part of proof of that.
As a modern example, the Cliven Bundy case is a major example of how the 2nd Amendment works. It took armed citizens to protect Cliven's property, and it took 3 years for the case against him to be dismissed because of the government abuses behind it:
www.foxnews.com/us/2017/12/20/mistrial-declared-in-case-against-nevada-rancher-cliven-bundy.html
The United States has the 2nd Amendment specifically because of politicians who would take guns away before oppressing the populace.
Which is a pattern seen time and time again, in various countries, and often with thousands or millions dying.
Daggern: If I remember correctly, lowering speed limits was done as a safety measure to prevent car crashes by lowering the speed limit.
Subtle Demise:
Even worse, many of those laws aren't enforced.
There was a recent story of an illegal alien with a half dozen guns openly in his truck, who didn't have ANY checks done on his legal status or anything when a hotel manager called about him displaying the guns.
man if video games translated to real life skills. Id be a black belt in every martial arts and shooting lasers from my hands, a legendary japanese general, and know how to use every close range weapon ever along with being a mass shooting super soldier.
MrSGZone I'd be fairly good with a spear and that's about it
It's ironic that they chose Call of Duty. The violence presented in COD is an over the top, safer, cleaner representation of the actual real world violence the US government has inflicted on real people.
Ikr CoD is essentially American propaganda because even the American bad guys are doing their evil deeds for the good of the state. I lol'd really hard when I saw CoD on the list because whoever put that together was a bloody fucking moron.
I completely agree 100%.
I thought they would stick on grand theft auto on there...
Yea lol. They're attacking their own fans! Conservatives fucking love that shit
Jasper Rodriguez Spec Ops: The Line is a US military game, but it's actually fucked up and makes you think, unlike Cod.
I've played video games for nearly 20 years and I can now blacksmith weapons and armor from all types of metals, parkour up any existing structure in the world, and even pilot various forms of air and spacecraft. Clearly something needs to be done about this epidemic. /s
If Call of Duty makes you proficient with a gun, why can't my experience with Cooking Mama get me a job as a professional chef?
You forgot hijacking every kind of conceivable form of transportation, and then causing absurd amounts of chaos & destruction with it.
You also forgot about the ability to craft just about anything from basic components
I've been playing a bit of Monster Hunter lately and after a couple hundred hours I consider myself an expert in the field of wielding weapons that weigh more than I do and hunting dinosaurs and dragons.
Sort of a silly point. I don't think video games cause violence, btw, but the main argument is that exposure to violence in games has negative psychological effects, not that you become a Navy SEAL from playing CoD.
Sometimes I think maybe I'm the Dragonborn from playing too much Skyrim and I just don't know it.
Guitar Hero made me a rock superstar.
I became so skilled at playing the guitar, that all the rock bands hired me simultaneously.
Weird how other countries that play the exact same violent video games don´t have as many mass shootings.
Its almost as if easy access to firearms causes gun violence, but no that can't be it. Let's blame something completely unrelated.
I'm not sure how easy it is, but aren't there a lot of armed people in countries like Russia, Serbia and maybe some other Eastern European countries? Yet we don't hear much from there (could also be kept silent though)
Video Game sales per person per year:
🎮 Japan = $96.06
🎮 USA = $63.45
Gun deaths per 10,000,000 people per year:
🔫 Japan = 6
🔫 U.S.A = 1016
Why do only mass shootings happen in liberal areas by kids raised by liberal parents.
Weird how they don't have mass shooting either .
The problem is more complex than that and both guns and video games are part of a bigger problem. What's never mentionned with these studies is that it doesn't give violent tendencies to => most
There's something I've noticed about real violence vs media violence. Media violence is crafted in such a way to draw a certain emotional response from the viewer. It can be sadness, disgust, vindication or any number of emotions but it's deliberately planned to target a specific few. Real violence though? There's no drama and it's not really meant to get any particular emotional response. You can't predict how people will react to it.
Take that first clip you showed with the shooter. It's quiet. There isn't a lot of screaming or noticeable panic. If that situation was recreated in a movie we would be able to clearly see reactions in order to have us empathize with those people. In reality however, there's no way to tell what any of those people are thinking. There's no empathy, just some volume adjusted gunshots at some people we don't know the first thing about.
The scary thing too is making it watchable to a mass audience (sound and visual editing etc) gives a sense of sterility about it for lack of a better term.
It's difficult to put all my thoughts on the subject into words but hopefully people can get where I'm coming from here.
AkumaKristian yes. I get what you mean. and I think you do have a point.
I get ya. I don't completely agree though. That guy begging the guy not to shoot in the clip with the shooter was certainly getting an empathy response from me, maybe that's just me though.
No you are right. "No empathy" was not the best word choice. Though right now I don't know how I could word it better. I was just trying to state my opinion as best I can.
Really I take the fact that you do empathize with how he acted in that situation as a good sign. I feel that there are a lot of people who wouldn't honestly. Like I said above it's hard to find the right words to explain myself here.
Totally, that guy with the handgun in that first clip, firing at some sort of council meeting is so much more shocking and scary to me than anything I've seen in any game, TV show or movie. There's not even any blood.
there's an old jimquisition about violence in games (i can't remember the title) i belive it was made when jim was still with escapist, in that video he discusses this exact thing, the difference of real violence to fake violence (as presented in movies, tv, and video games)
the main thing to take from that discussion is that fake violence is dramatic, there's tortured horrible screams, or heroes who bravely fight through multiple gun/stab wounds to complete one final objective, blood sprays from every wound and pools all over the floor, or as you pointed it might be a different violence which is supposed to draw some other emotion, but the fact is that most stories rely on conflict and violence by it's very nature is a great way to show two or more humans in conflict with each other
in that same video he shows a VERY disturbing video of a politician commiting suicide which happened live on TV (can't remember the man's name), and the difference is that there aren't deeply emotional pleas of people falling on their knees begging him not to take his life, the sound of the gun doesn't resound for seconds on end, the blood isn't dramatically spraying from the wound, in fact it's all very dry and not terribly loud, it begins and ends so quickly that there's barely any time for a comotion to happen before he pulls the trigger, and that's what makes it truly disturbing, the fact that real violence is so quick and so unceremonious, and then there is no moment of relief after the fact where the tension comes to a close (which is precisely what happens in the aftermath of violence in movies and games...)
and for some added personal experience, i'm from brazil and on a daily basis people watch news of a police raid on the favelas in rio de janeiro, or robbery attempts all over the country, the robbery stuff in particular tends to be brutal at times as they use raw security camera footage at times showing the robbers shooting store clerks or bank guards and even police officers in open shootouts, hell just this month they showed footage of someone getting fucking shot down and then executed in cold blood while on the floor, and video games are supposed to be the stuff that fucks with my sense of what's right and what's not?
It's funny to think that a chubby English bloke in a silly top hat is actually a great American patriot; but goddamn is Jim Sterling a great American patriot!
I am pretty much desensitized to video game violence, but... seeing that man being burned alive... that disturbed me.
Could you just imagine the smell alone from it...
*Jeremy Abbott* - Stay away from *50 Cent: Blood On The Sand* then eh.
*Mrgone454* - _bad._
what are you talking about?
Seeing that guy get shot shocked the fuck out of me. Although did you see the guy that was featured on an older jimquisition, a guy who shot himself in the mouth in public? That was fucking crazy to watch
Played video games since I was 4 now 27 video games have not made violence more acceptable to me iv all so been watching horror films since I was 7 with my older brother you know what it thought me ? No not to shoot a school how to tell the difference between reality and fantasy -.-
Did they forget that, y'know, shootings and violence have happened _before_ video games? Like....do they not know history?
/sarcasm Oh quiet you with inconvenient facts such as World War 1 and 2 ... *oh wait*
Michael Pohoreski I bet the Nazis had some insane Vidya games
Ignoring inconvenient facts is the bedrock of the conservative party.
I think you'll find cup and ball has always existed and always trained killers
It's easy.
That way they wont be blamed on as much.
All of this bs is just to shave off some heat from their asses.
the "debate" that never ends, blaming violence in games again
edit: holy shit a Right to Censor reference, thank god for Jim
Well... Who else?
mortal kombat is influencing our kids to explode hearts and tear out femurs using magic karate
it's too easy to imitate
The good news is that the next generations are going to become fantastic builders. If fps games cause shootings then all those people who play minecraft are going to be fine at making real life homes for people.
step 1: Punch trees until fully formed logs land in your infinity pockets.
They are not infinity pockets!!!...... You need shulker boxes for that lol.
That explains why 90's kids grew up to be plumbers!
How miraculous that the White House video game violence montage was mysteriously vacant of context... Funny that.
I played every Persona game...
In other words I am pickup artist that deals with demons and shadows.
We could really use the Phantom Thieves in America right now..... make those guilty government people confess there hidden crimes!
Play a real shin megami tensei
Yūki Terumi. I will when they remaster them for newest consoles.
Played all of them except for A Strange Journey. I think they are great especially the Devil Survivors series but they dont hold a candle to the Persona series. But Its hard to compared them to each other. Also Persona is not a SMT game anymore, so no is not a "real" SMT game anyway.
was just meming but ok
Huh, turns out voting for Trump as a joke really DOES have real life consequences, who would have known?
Nice Prince Salde profile pic. 👌
@@lisagalvan6884 Thanks, I really wish Prince Salde was a playable character on his own, because I love his design!
@@damianluna7700 uwu
As someone who has played videogames since before I have the use of reason I gotta say, Jim, that nothing has desensitized me to violence and crime like the news. Every day or other day you see news about people getting killed, raped, murdered, mugged, etc and at some point it really becomes "oh some rando got shot/shanked, that sucks" in your mind, even if it's wrong or if you don't really believe or feel like that, but that's what it ends up being.
Thanks News Media!
So what you’re saying is, you’d rather NOT know about anything happening because it makes you and you alone complacent. You’re actively wanting to ignore reality in favor of not being desensitized... which goes against itself because you say you don’t want to be desensitized when it does happen.
Better to live in ignorance as a Trump supporter I suppose.
P.S. you may not be a trump supporter but I and many others would make that blanket assumption when you say “news media” that way.
Lishe I don’t even watch the news. Haven’t in many many years. So much of the news is propaganda laden that I just don’t care to bother. Frankly most of the shit they say on there doesn’t affect me anyway.
@Zant
One does honestly get tired of violence in the news, I personally do.
I'm neither American nor a trump supporter, I'm just stating a fact as it happens to me and comparing it to what Jim said on his video.
To answer to your actual post; I said nothing of the sort, coming in here to be defensive about something that doesn't concern you is pretty tasteless, nice bunch of unrelated assumptions and strawmen though, very compelling and logical argument.
@JamieMadrox195
Yeah I understand that, I don't actively watch the news either, I kinda just end up hearing them when doing something else or hear them secondhand. Most of the news really don't affect me either, and I'm not going to pretend they do either :/ it gets pretty old and depressing to get upset about every bad news in the country or in the world.
So Jamie, you'd rather not be informed of what's going on in the world? And I'm pretty sure you're greatly exaggerating the amount of propaganda. You know where you'll find plenty of it? China, Russia, Cuba, North Korea, Iran as well as communist countries back when the Soviet Union existed. Not in democratic countries.
I was an atheist before this video. But I converted to an unspecified monotheistic religion just to thank god for Jim. At the end of the video I subsequently reverted back to atheism before the tithes were due.
See that's your problem, you should have gone for one of the polytheistic ones. That way you get way more god thanking for your buck.
I believe in the god emperor... Here waiting for an exterminatus
It seems you've been naughty all the weeks before this one. What do you think the end of these videos are? Some kind of joke?
Naw, bra... Just go misotheist. That way you can thank gawd for Jim, cancer, Zika, AIDS, Ebola, Partisanship, Religion, humanity, etc...
...And you can express that gratitude with a cynically sarcastic air too! 2x the win factor!
God must exist, how else can I thank God for Jim? Thank God for Jim
It’s like the Trump administration is going out of its way to destroy everything I love. Net neutrality, video games, specific national parks that are important to my career. What’s next, Red Lobster’s cheddar bay biscuits?
Don’t worry, he and the GOP are systematically finding new ways to alienate everybody on earth. Everyone will have a turn in their circus over the next few years.
yeah too bad the DNC is a fucking incompetent pile of lyng rich shit nuggets looking down on the average citizen and practically did all of trumps job for him to get him elected.....just too damn bad.....
You just gave them another idea!
Don't give them any ideas.
Just 2 more years and i think people will even vote for PewDiePie as long as it's not Trump
Oh look at that - the God Emperor blames video games for more shootings.
Jim was right. Again.
The Elder Scrolls didn't make me a warrior, Harvest Moon didn't make me a farmer, and Tekken didn't make me a Martial Artist. Neither did the hundreds of games I've played since I was little. I grew up to be a healthy adult who can separate fiction from reality. The problem isn't violent content. It people who allow serious problems to go untreated because of fear of being seen as a bad parent, lack of time or effort to be a part of their children's lives, or just plain old neglect. It's not the job of a faceless corporate entity to raise your children, it's yours.
Boom! We got a winner here!
that's just you man, i've recently played minecraft and now i'm able to chop trees with my bare fists, build entire castles out of dirt, smelt every metal know to man, brew magic potions, activate IRL creative mode and fy around, and much more
Evidently you weren't around in the early 90s when the kidz were jumping on everyone's heads like goombas. Dark times those were.....
Most underrated comment!
“The citrus tyrant”
Im fucking dead
You wouldent be if he called obama the chocolate tyrant.
Joseph Upton The chocolate tyrant sounds awesome
"Vagina clawing emperor" got me
@joseph Upton.... but uh.... he didn't?
I love that you brought up Schwarzenegger being a hypocrite, people seem to have forgotten about things like him passing the ban on gay marriage in California when he had the authority to shut it down, these days he has the gaul to present himself as a champion of Gay Rights.
gall*
My little cousin loves shooters and to teach him that he ain't shit and guns are not to be fucked with I took him to a shooting range and let him fire a few rounds (with a proper instructor of course) and it scared him so much he cried like an anime fan on prom night.
First gun I ever shot was an M14, that was when I was about 4 or 5 years old. My old man helped hold the gun, of course, but I loved every second of it.
Good for you. Hope it scared him so much that he decides to fight to revoke the 2nd Amendment.
Super Canadian so probably not there is no point in revoking the 2nd amendment
Of course there is! How is my right to life and security more important than your right to own a gun?
Because an individual owning a gun in their home for protection will not hurt you at all unless you break into their house...
It's those damned colored TV's i'm telling ya
At least they've stopped using footage of Doom being run on a really shitty 486! So... some progress has been made.
Jim, you may want to know, there's a campaign on Twitter called #LoveInVideoGames where people are posting examples of kindness, compassion, and/or love in video games. It was recently made in response to the "Violence in Video Games" video.
Katy133 I seriously just spent the whole day streaming a video game that was made in 2016 that had one violent scene and I didn't even see it. I only saw the injured person after. I guess my killing simulator isn't working well enough
Didn't know about that. Actually sounds kinda great!
Even in Call of Duty and the infamous No Russian scene, you're perfectly at liberty to not shoot any civilians if you don't want to.
If anything, we should be retaining stuff like this in videogames, but logging who plays in a particular way and nudging their details towards the FBI so they can be put on a watch list.
It's not like them not playing the games is going to prevent them killing people; if they're the sort of person who was going to, then they will.
I've had sex with prostitutes in GTA Vice City... Does that count? I've also as a romantic gesture catcalled several female gamers in voice chats... Does that count?
Tim Lepo I said "love," not "lust." ;)
But yeah, GTA Vice City can definitely count! Not only does the game allow players the freedom to solve missions in less violent ways if they want, but the fanbase has also created a ton of mods that let you play as superheroes and detectives and stuff! :D
I don't know why, but when you brought up Melissa Henson as "A mother. That's it, she's just some kid's mum", I couldn't help but hear that in Yahtzee's voice. But hearing Yahtzee narrate a Jimquisition and you doing a Zero Punctuation episode is a dream I'm sure I'll never have, but something I'll now always want.
I also now want this. Thanks for the content blue balls man.
Jim, I have disagreed with you over many a thing when it comes to politics, but when you're right, you're goddamn right. Thank god for you, man.
Between the years 1500-1830 there was a massive number of mass shootings in what is now the USA. What video games were they playing back then?
Oregon trail?
Frogger
Tetris
Fluffy Gutts board games
The most violent and evil of all video games...... hoop and stick!
"If I could use one word to prove our society hasn't and will never achieve it's true potential, that word would be 'Meetings.'"
Honestly this reminds me of this forensic show that once blamed D&D for a guy obsessed with vampires murdering a woman. And I had many problems with this logic, but two that make it especially ridiculous. One, he didn’t use a sword, so it probably wasn’t inspired by D&D. Two, anyone that is that into vampires probably plays Vampire the Masquerade more than D&D, so you aren’t even blaming the more relevant rpg.
In all seriousness, a person’s inability to tell reality from fantasy is generally a mental health issue. There might be some issues before kindergarten, but there’s research based evidence that it’s not great for kids below 4 or 5 to be using screen based technology a lot anyway, so it’s not the level of violence that’s the problem at that point.
I really don't get why they kept using footage from games like Battlefield & Call of Duty*, especially that scene where US Soldiers where being tortured by the Soviets. It's violent, sure, but your average mass shooter isn't torturing people, or shooting soldiers. If anything, what they're doing is closer to something from Hitman**.
*I believe they just went with the only games they'd heard about. Which all happened to be generic military shooting games circa 2007-2012.
Republicans, who love war and start wars whenever they're in power, are responsible for more soldiers getting killed and tortured than anyone else in this country. Maybe we should have a "meeting" about what we're going to do about Republican-inspired violence.
Do not forget the emotional effect of seeing a "fellow US-Citzen" die instead of an North Korean for example. At least that could have been a factor too.
At least they are no longer looping Doom on a crappy old 486! My gosh--that well worn clip was getting really hilarious to see. I mostly just started tuning into news programs specifically because they were still using that clip.
I've been playing The Witcher 3 lately... oddly enough I don't feel a desire to hack people apart with a sword.
Maybe I'm doing it wrong?
You're definitely doing it wrong. I dodge-rolled out of the way of a mugger and cut him in half. Because that's how it works in real life. You've just gotta try harder, and you'll get there!
Been playing NHL and are still waiting for my contract... any day soon they will call me.
idk i've never felt the overwhelming desire to slash people clean in half with a sword, but i do want to bang a sorceress
so i guess results might differ from person to person
Thats odd. For me i have some wierd sensation of playing a card game from a hack and slash game. I think i am doing it wrong.
I bet you're an expert jockey at this point, though. Video games are great training grounds
I've played too much Warframe, now I'm crossdressing as several robo ninjas and spend hours even days with painting myself in the right color.
Also sometimes there's this strange dude in black and red, who's invading my house and trying to kill me.
Ugh, fucking normie. I've spent me days playing platformers like Mario & Sonic, fighting games like Street Fighter and King of Fighters and jRPGS like Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy. Now, I'm faster+jump higher than any human in the world thanks to all the shrooms I take and TVs I break. I've never lost a single one-on-one fight because I use projectiles and do insane combos thanks to real people's high hit-stun time. Also, I gain experience and money just by killing anything while I break into people's homes and steal their precious items.
Wait a minute... your name implies liking Pokemon... Ohmygod you monster!
borot man Yes, you're correct. I paint rocks red & white and throw them at random animals. My collection of creatures that I've captured is so massive, that no army could stop it.
Soon I'm going to take over the world with Dogs, Cats and even Ducks and nobody can stop me, cause all those animals got the perfect EVs.
I also play Animal Crossing which means I go around my town, digging fossils out of the ground and hitting rocks with a shovel until one of them spits money out.
And I'm very strong because I can shake every tree I want and see if something like furniture or money falls down from it.
Oh, the black and red dude who spends his entire week just sending hundreds of thousands of vague emails to people just pushing the 2 key on their keyboards?
Yeah he needs a job or something.
i don't know... jim was dressing up and painting himself before playing warframe
Hidden Gems Reviews Hm I don't get this reference :/
I play plenty of violent video games, and I cry when strangers get mad at me. Lat time I was attacked I held the person down as he kicked me in the jaw, and the followed him after he calmed down to see if he was ok.
Trump be like: hmm which industry makes more money...
Guns i think.
Ban videogames then.
He hasn't banned video games... what the fuck are you talking about?
MST3Killa They're taking the piss with an over-exaggeration. Don't worry about it too much
I played Doom and it never made me want to break out a grimoire and summon demons so I can eviscerate them with a shotgun.
The Chaos The *PEOPLE* in said games are a different story. GTA doesn't make me want to shoot someone in the head, but when I'm going about my business and someone kills me, and starts harassing me and calling me a pussy because I simply don't want to engage in broken mechanics, then possibly being kicked or ddos'd, *that's* what makes me want to shoot the fucker in the dome.
Just kind of like in real life If someone tried slapping you around.
The Chaos That does sound fun however.
I have always wanted to do that, so i just naturally gravitated towards doom
Oh? Just me then? Okay.
Ya know Jim, this video made me realize something. Oh no, not anything about video games not being the culprit, or gun violence in America being fed by the NRA & Firearms Industry and supported by an unwitting ratings-frenzied media, I've been on that page for at least a decade. No, I simply realized I hadn't yet supported you on patreon. Amazing! I thought I had for at least a year now, but no! Well, I fixed that oversight right away. Keep up the great work, and thank god for you, Jim!
Donkey Trump might have a point. I mean, after years playing Dark Souls, I am now an expert lightning hurling immortal zombie.
well do you have the DESIRE to be a lightning hurling immortal zombie?
007kingifrit I didn't ask for it man. I can't help myself from hurling lightning at people nor being an undying corpse. It's all them video gaems' fault.
dude your IRL dark souls experience is so much better than mine, i played dark souls and now i'm a piece of beef jerky who can do ninja flips
Pffffff faith builds.
Grovel before our god emperor you poor sod.
007kingifrit
HELL YEAH THAT'D BE AWESOME
Immortality is the dream being able to throw lighting is Icing
Someone please help me. Videogames have clearly had a negative influence on my behaviour. I've been playing Thief for years now and I can't stop shoplifting, turning off lights or hitting police officers with a cricket bat.
Trump should enter a ballroom dancing competition, he sure is good at dancing around issues
Anyone else think that it's super fucking ironic, that all the videogames that the Government showed featured a protagonist in the military. Because kids can join the military and actually kill people but having that in videogames is a step too far in the violent direction.
Had no idea the news showed such graphic videos and imagery. I knew it was bad, but not that extreme. Just disgusting. Using tragedy to make money. Pisses me off.
Kenny Where I live (Europe) it is actually against the law to show violent imagery on TV. It's ment to show respect to victims and forcing media to propagate SOME culture among their viewers, and not just chasing cheap trills.
Check out the movie Nightcrawler or the Netflix show Shot in the Dark if you're interested in how the news obtains its graphic images and videos.
How appropriate that the self-proclaimed "Most Armed Man in America" sounds just like Elmer Fudd.
I wonder if he ever blames "dem pesky wibewals" for everything
He also lives alone with mannequins.. the full vid is, a lot
He talks to those mannequins like they are people... the video is disturbing.
Oh no! A British person is trying to take my guns away again!
Five years ago a Jimquisition titled "Desensitized to Violence" made the best example I've ever seen on how game violence and real life acts of violence are very different. I've unfortunately have seen my fill of violent deaths in real life even before watching that episode and it is spot on in it's point that the two have a huge difference. That was the video that made me a fan of Jim. It's not easy to demonstrate such a point and I've shown that video many times when this argument comes up with people. The reaction people get is astonishing to see.
I recommend watching that episode of The Jimquisition before debating this subject no matter what side your on with it.
Hey thanks you for the mention. I went to watch it right after reading your message and it was indeed a video worth watching. And for those who want the direct link: ua-cam.com/video/7wh9QrPDnv0/v-deo.html
If we are taking things from video games out of content then it's my turn
“Peace is the noblest aspiration, but, to preserve it, you must be willing to fight.” World of Warcraft
these games are more than just the violence in them
2:18
Well, you did warn me about disturbing content but...
That's gonna be my nightmare tonight.
I needed to sit down for a few minutes after that.
Jesus....
You want to know what’s more disturbing, I got asked a month ago if I wanted to go see him live later in the year. I politely declined the offer.
Yeah that was uhh . . . Oh Jesus Christ
Grossman says killing suspects is great for a cop's sex life. But video games are bad.
sirkowski dude, I knew I recognized that chatacter from somewhere. I used to watch your cartoons on newgrounds, good stuff!
Annnd history repeats itself!
Seriously, I felt like the most recent announcement Trump made about violent video games sent me back in time!
Blaming violence on video games is akin to blaming AIDS on Elvis's "shucking and jiving" or racism on Archie Bunker. If only we can get rid of Snoop Dogg's music then we can finally win the drug war. Sounds stupid? That's because it is. You hit the nail on the head with this one Jim, thank God for ya. Love it when you get political. Jim for Prez (if Canadian Ted Cruz can then so can Jim).
You also gotta love how quick people are to blame video games for gun violence, but when it comes to loot boxes and turning people into gambling addicts, it took until the uproar of EA's Battlefront 2 to finally start getting coverage. It was all quiet in the media when boxes were dropping down on Normandy beach, but when Star Wars gets involved, now they want to get in on it.
Now it's important to note that people are able to do themselves harm within the game with loot boxes, and that is the POINT of loot boxes; to get people to spend more money than they would normally be willing to.
Oh man, that guy in the car... That's the sort of thing that causes PTSD. How can they just broadcast that? How can a guy stand there and fucking film it? Where's their empathy, their humanity? I've never seen anything like that here in the UK, and I always dread what I'll see on the 10 'O clock news. Jesus.
Here, have a gun.
It was the police officers dash cam, dumbass. He was responding to a man claiming to be suicidal, and tried to talk him down. The guy had soaked himself and his car in gasoline. Obviously, the officer wasn’t successful.
Big news companies only care about ratings. Moral implications be damned.
Your news must be cheers all the time. What has your government been covering up?
Oh. Right all the troops and bombings in another country.
No you're making that up because you have no explicit videos of those things happening. That's the only explanation.
Oh wait, no, it's just that British (and most of the developed world's) media doesn't sensationalise genuine, real, disturbing violence the way that American media does and instead simply tells us about it rather than trying to jerk us off with videos of it.
5:13 It just amazes me how the statistically least popular president in history (or at least since we had statistics on popularity) has fans who keep claiming he has a "substantial base"
This is totally unrelated to the video, but:
Since you posted a random picture from Spooks of Bottle Bay on your Twitter a couple of days ago, I thought I’d point out how there’s a scene from the first episode where the female villain dramatically turns towards the screen and goes “Money!?”. And if that isn’t the perfect clip to edit into Jimquisition episodes where you mention corporate fat cats wanting all the money, I dunno what is :P
It’s at 1:29 of this video ua-cam.com/video/cA29TH0itws/v-deo.html
I second this as an awesome choice.
you deserve a promotion
I just came to laugh at trumptards :)
Jim should hire you.
Also totally unrelated to the video, but; last Friday (8.3) around 100k people came to protest against the government in the Slovak Republic. This was a response to a horrible murder of a journalist and his girlfriend in their own house...
It's ironic that one of the two major spawn points of wonderful video games in the world, is questioning (yet again) if video games cause violence - while the other major spawn point (Japan) is the most peaceful society on the planet. It's not games America, it's you.
I mean Japan has a WHOLE host of its own neuroses and Issues that it needs to sort out bad. But gun violence isn't one of them. I think the numbers are something like 6 cases per 10,000,000 in Japan compared to 1091 cases per 10,000,000 in the US.
Now to be fair, I dont remember what Qualified for that list. Might have only been big events. But even so, Japan is strict on Guns as heck, and lo and behold, gun crimes fell.
Now i dont think it would work in America, namely because public outcry as well as the ingrained fear in citizens that "First they'll take our guns so it's easier to take our freedom!". But even so, Much stricter regulations need to be put in place to ensure those who bear them are mentally sound.
Japan has one of the highest suicide rates in the world, if I remember correctly. Death is death, it doesn't matter how you go once you're gone.
Bad spawn GG
Japan has mass stabbings
The Gayest Shota Funny, sounds a lot like America, except instead of working themselves to death they are so paranoid and self-righteously entitled they are shooting each other with guns that are way too easily accessible: and yet that's somehow okay.
I also find it ironic and hypocritical that you intentionally misunderstand and present an obvious misunderstanding of Japanese culture and society and people and the issue surrounding Karōshi in Japan (term litterally meaning: overworked to death.... btw even Japanese people and the Japanese government recognize this is a problem and are trying to work to resolving it) and how the social concepts of Bushido has some ties to explaining this Japanese phonomina while having an anime girl as your avitar and having "Shota" in your username.... you don't throw rocks at glass houses dude.
I live in America and I completely agree with Jim on this issue. I'm not far left and I am not far right. Just a regular person living in an insane country.
It's the chemicals that the government uses in hamburgers and tap water to mind control masses. The very same chemical turns healthy frogs into raging homosexuals. I have reliable sources to confirm all this, but Anderson Cooper and other CIA agents are tracking me down. If you have blue eyes, you will be exterminated or your mind will be altered to follow the puppet masters and their secret societies.
America has no far left. It's got insane, homophobic, racist nationalists masquerading as the far-right and democrats who are really centrist compared to most other Western countries.
You can see the hate in everyday people. You can see the people who teach their kids to attack each other over words. The only time anyone talks about police accountability is when they kill an innocent person. Men and boys are committing suicide all the time. Silence. Kids use bombs and bring knives to school. Nothing from the news. Someone picks up a semi-automatic rifle and kills some fellow students? Immediate coverage with their face and name on every channel over night. Then everyone starts talking about guns and ONLY guns. What about what caused this shit in the first place? What about the parents? What about the police watch lists? How did he get a weapon so fucking fast? Why weren't the local weapon laws being enforced? NOPE! None of that. GUNS GUNS GUNS! MORE GUNS! Video games have guns! Maybe it's them!? Fuck me sideways if this whole country isn't just dumb as a pile of bricks. T_T
Matthew Rollins
You are ignorant.
I'm a U.S. Citizen, and I can say with surety that the primary thing driving the U.S. insane and causing division is the fact that the democrat left has gone so far left that they're now modern socialists/communists, who no longer believe in the founding values.
Roseanne Barr calls out Jimmy Kimmel and the left on going too far.
ua-cam.com/video/PbMqfmoKxqk/v-deo.html
And that's only the tip of the iceberg.