oo, quite like this book! read it aroundd the same time i started listening to ur podcast, about a year ago precisely. read it in-between crime n punishment and the brothers karamazov.
I think any deep, quite intelligent thinker would turn similar to this in prolonged isolation. Not just physical isolation, but the detachment from the world that comes from emotional isolation too. I've read that many people from horrible families get obsessed with philosophy and existentialism, to make sense of life and reframe their misery. And how does someone avoid going crazy in isolation? By using their own mind to milk every bit of thought, contentment and wisdom from whatever experiences they have. And by watching the society from the outside - because they desire to be part of it, but aren't able to for some reason, so the closest alternative is to analyse society and people, both to feel closer to it and to make sense of it to make it easier to reconnect with. But this comes with the risk of seeing some of the flaws of society that are easy to ignore if experiencing the emotional connection that comes from being within it. If they've unfairly been the black sheep and judged in their own family, then it's not shocking they'd have low self-esteem, but also distrust closeness, see other people as being fools (because their family were) and judge others harshly, as they feel they've been judged harshly and to make things fair means to judge others the same way. We also see in multiple studies that agreeableness decreases in the long-term unemployed - I think it's another example of people feeling negatively judged and maligned, and paying it forwards. I don't think it's necessary to actively sabotage conversations with rudeness for others to reject someone who's unusual, further prolonging the isolation. People will happily negatively judge and reject someone simply for not having similar experiences, non-verbal mannerisms or outlooks on life, regardless of the reasons for the mismatch. Few people extend kindness to those who don't meet their cultural standards.
I think people have all had a taste of the underground, but not many have actually been the underground man, in the same way that people think being sad is the same as what people feel with depression, you have to be at some serious levels of discontent with every other human and everything they have ever stood for to properly be the underground man.
My go to book. Great choice. Big D and the piano 🎹 key. People will always go against rationality and the grain. I have done it myself so many times via the roll of a 🎲; nothing better.
Would you consider the possibility that the prostitute is not demonstrating unconditional love in the book? Like everyone else, she might view her relationship with the underground man as a transaction, one in which she feels good for helping him-for being a "martyr," in a way.
@@ericjackson-nq4hp perfect. But my take is that I don't think it is possible for humans to demonstrate empathy like she does without a single positive reward, and that it doesn't make actions less noble. The Underground Man could have his optimism restored just by her capacity and desire to do good.
The thing you want might be wrong Tension between love and freedom. Being independent means being alone, not being free. Cannot be independent anyway, and not a high level of being No love and connection with independence
Unconditional love flies in face of utilitarianism (a safe worldview). Limited worldview and assume it's ful truth. Mistaking rationalisation for truth
Is that how Jordan Peterson taught it to you? Almost as patronizing as LAO ZI = Lazy. Grains of truth for sure but still...arent you are punching down at nothing?
Did it occur to you that advertising Russian literature in the time when Russia is waging genocidal wars, and utilises culture as a way to attract more sympathetic opinions is controversial?
@@khulegubuyandelger8140let’s talk about how much coloniser’s culture is complicit in coloniser’s crimes. And how well is it utilised to whitewash, if not to justify imperial ambitions
The underground man... so so relatable. Trapped in a prison of your own nihility. Just watched netflix adaptation of marques' 100 years of solitude. The main character, jose arcadio buendia, tied to a tree for the second half of the show... i felt it was a commentary on masculine autism, but here... this opens that up... not autism or hyper focus... but simply nihility. Very special. Hugely recommend both the novel and the show.
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I didn’t know you were on UA-cam too ❤
Is there a way to increase the volume in post? I have my phone volume up to max, but it's still a bit quiet for when I play it in the background
Hey, the sounds Quality is awesone. What microphone are You using?
No way ! I just read this...
Me too!! Wtf!!!!
Great shit
The story of the underground man hits way too close to home. I need to be a different man.
oo, quite like this book! read it aroundd the same time i started listening to ur podcast, about a year ago precisely. read it in-between crime n punishment and the brothers karamazov.
I think any deep, quite intelligent thinker would turn similar to this in prolonged isolation. Not just physical isolation, but the detachment from the world that comes from emotional isolation too. I've read that many people from horrible families get obsessed with philosophy and existentialism, to make sense of life and reframe their misery. And how does someone avoid going crazy in isolation? By using their own mind to milk every bit of thought, contentment and wisdom from whatever experiences they have. And by watching the society from the outside - because they desire to be part of it, but aren't able to for some reason, so the closest alternative is to analyse society and people, both to feel closer to it and to make sense of it to make it easier to reconnect with. But this comes with the risk of seeing some of the flaws of society that are easy to ignore if experiencing the emotional connection that comes from being within it. If they've unfairly been the black sheep and judged in their own family, then it's not shocking they'd have low self-esteem, but also distrust closeness, see other people as being fools (because their family were) and judge others harshly, as they feel they've been judged harshly and to make things fair means to judge others the same way. We also see in multiple studies that agreeableness decreases in the long-term unemployed - I think it's another example of people feeling negatively judged and maligned, and paying it forwards.
I don't think it's necessary to actively sabotage conversations with rudeness for others to reject someone who's unusual, further prolonging the isolation. People will happily negatively judge and reject someone simply for not having similar experiences, non-verbal mannerisms or outlooks on life, regardless of the reasons for the mismatch. Few people extend kindness to those who don't meet their cultural standards.
Wow.
Please, sir, I want some more.
Can't get too close ... can't be alone. What a sinister see-saw that is.
The anticipation for the girl showing up to his house and not knowing what to do when she does was such a brutal read
I think people have all had a taste of the underground, but not many have actually been the underground man, in the same way that people think being sad is the same as what people feel with depression, you have to be at some serious levels of discontent with every other human and everything they have ever stood for to properly be the underground man.
My go to book. Great choice. Big D and the piano 🎹 key. People will always go against rationality and the grain. I have done it myself so many times via the roll of a 🎲; nothing better.
Oh my God I'm the "underground man"
oh damn i'm the underground man
Would you consider the possibility that the prostitute is not demonstrating unconditional love in the book? Like everyone else, she might view her relationship with the underground man as a transaction, one in which she feels good for helping him-for being a "martyr," in a way.
@ sure, but that doesn't answer my question.
@@ericjackson-nq4hp perfect. But my take is that I don't think it is possible for humans to demonstrate empathy like she does without a single positive reward, and that it doesn't make actions less noble. The Underground Man could have his optimism restored just by her capacity and desire to do good.
The thing you want might be wrong
Tension between love and freedom.
Being independent means being alone, not being free. Cannot be independent anyway, and not a high level of being
No love and connection with independence
Unconditional love flies in face of utilitarianism (a safe worldview).
Limited worldview and assume it's ful truth.
Mistaking rationalisation for truth
Is being alone being free?
Is that how Jordan Peterson taught it to you? Almost as patronizing as LAO ZI = Lazy. Grains of truth for sure but still...arent you are punching down at nothing?
He’s punching me as I’m lower then a slug’s mucus
Devalue?? I love West too, it's an honest gripe.
We arent nearly that lame. We know why and when we annoy you.
And we are not worried enough about it to even be mad at you. If we were it would be for Covid, NOT highschool
Did it occur to you that advertising Russian literature in the time when Russia is waging genocidal wars, and utilises culture as a way to attract more sympathetic opinions is controversial?
My guy, if a lot of people had read Dostoevsky in Russia, the war wouldn’t have started in the first place.
And if Putin listened to these pod casts.
How different things might be.
And if Putin listened to these pod casts.
How different things might be.
@@khulegubuyandelger8140let’s talk about how much coloniser’s culture is complicit in coloniser’s crimes. And how well is it utilised to whitewash, if not to justify imperial ambitions
@@baronbullshyster2996what a remedy against everlasting imperial tyranny - to listen a podcast, cool 😂
The underground man... so so relatable. Trapped in a prison of your own nihility. Just watched netflix adaptation of marques' 100 years of solitude. The main character, jose arcadio buendia, tied to a tree for the second half of the show... i felt it was a commentary on masculine autism, but here... this opens that up... not autism or hyper focus... but simply nihility. Very special. Hugely recommend both the novel and the show.
I am a big fan of your program, first time i made a comment.. please please more of Dostoevsky please