@@relwaretepWhenever I have heard the whole “I do not respect fish” thing from Liam, it’s usually in the context of freshwater fish (which here in the US look very bizarre, so I don’t hold that against him). Does he think that saltwater fish are at least a bit more tolerable (since at least they don’t come from the alien world that is the Louisiana bayou)?
home ownership is such a foreign concept that when alice said "when you dont have a landlord anymore is when you have to be quiet about the patreon" i just thought "why would you be quiet abt patreon if you were homeless?"
@@tabula_rosaUnless you’re wealthy enough to just buy the home outright, rent just becomes mortgage for the rest of us. The benefit is that it’s going to something tangible, if your remaining lifespan is at least thirty years beyond the present.
I love how in the introductions Justin always apprehensively pauses between 'I'm' and 'Justin' as though he's trying to read his own name tag upside-down 😂
1:18:39 the name Justin's thinking of here is Wilma Mankiller. She was the head of the Cherokee Nation back in the 1980s, the first woman to serve in that role, as well as a general activist for Indian rights.
"Friend of the show Benzene" is an underrated line. Truly, every time it is mentioned, I do have to go "Benzene you rat bastard how dare you show your face here again."
The moral of that Safety Third segment really should be "always be respectful of pressurized systems until you're certain it can no longer contain pressure"... Hydraulics and pneumatics can be insanely dangerous, but people get complacent around them when they don't fail catastrophically for months or years... Outside of an automobile, I feel like they're one of the greatest underrated dangers people can deal with.
Not to be a kill joy but bring your own helmet. Every time. You don’t know how many times the thing they give you has been dropped (if they give you one)
And if you ever get in an accident where a helmet saves your head, replace the helmet even if there's lack of visible damage. It's safety rating has been compromised
I recently got an e-bike for the first time. I don't have a bike helmet, so I wear my motorcycle helmet, which is a known quantity/quality. The goggles are a bonus, too. (Despite owning an e-bike I'm poor, it was a gift)
I have a 3rd great grandfather that survived the Sultana disaster he was with the 89th Ohio Union volunteer infantry and was a POW from Andersonville prison he barley survived being malnourished from almost near starvation from the prison. He managed to grab a plank of wood floated down the river about 9 miles before being rescued by a passing fishing boat.
@jennak.2442 ya getting shot wounded and being taken prisoner almost starving to death. Then, getting severely burned (from the boiler exploding) and almost drowning sounds like the worst possible luck, but despite all that, he survived.
The most connection I have with Andersonville is having been to it once on a Scouting trip years ago. Great place to visit, if you can handle hundred-degree summers and wasps flying everywhere. I think the Northern states adding their memorials fifty years after the war was an interesting part of it. Mostly engraved marble obelisks. There was one informational plaque where I learned about the guy being kept as a POW in Vietnam who blinked “torture” in Morse Code for the audience at home.
I have no idea why, but Nova responding to "The men were too thick to navigate through" with "Been there.....wait no I haven't what am I talking about..." fuckin' got me good 👏
Is this the perfect WTYP disaster? Caused by bad maintenance in the name of cost cutting, made worse by overloading chasing to get more money and sprinkle in some political corruption as well. I can see all of the hosts getting really angry about this one! And rightly so.
Deadly boiler explosions were common on the Mississippi in the 1820s through 50s, killing hundreds of people every year. The 1852 Steamboat Bill strictly regulated the kind of boilers that were permitted. The regulation WORKED and there were no explosions for decades before this 1865 disaster which (spoilers for 1:32:00) was caused by insanely illegal levels of overcrowding. Even in the stupidly libertarian 1850s, minimal safety regulation saved thousands of lives and could have saved the lives of these Union men if it had been upheld by the corrupt Union Army.
Dev shows us they have easy access to a picture of Milkshake at all times and then doesn't place it on the screen every time Milkshake is mentioned. Sloppy work, Devon
You know, you'd think the worst part of your night would be the boiler explosion or the fire on a wooden boat and then someone says the phrase "where's that alligator". What sort of eldritch horror did these guys piss off enough to hit them with what could be best described as several significant emotional events at once, only then to add a fucking alligator to the mix.
I'm going to out myself as one of those weird Nordic Donald Duck fans here, but screw it... This disaster was given a spin in one chapter of the Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck series of comics by the artist Don Rosa. He's always enjoyed rooting his stories in real-life history and because of it a bunch of Norwegians, Swedes and Danes who grew up reading these comics have an inordinate interest in and knowledge of the Klondike Gold Rush and American history. This event, for which a young Scrooge McDuck was reportedly responsible, took place in one of the most meaningful chapters of Scrooge’s life story where bereavement and the seeming loss of his one true love turns him to the pursuit of only money.
Hey don’t forget us Dutch fans, Donald Duck weekly is till this very day the largest magazine for children (and adults alike) for over 70 years now. Oh and I love the life and times of Scrooge McDuck, I have the complete volumes in my phone so I can read it when I feel like it
Could you tell me if this is from The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck? I remember a Scrooge McDuck comic book, or at least a story in another comic book, from, gotta be more than 25 years ago, where Scrooge was in a steamboat race with a rival. IIRC, they both ran outta fuel at neck-and-neck, so, I think Scrooge, followed by the rival, started ripping up parts of their steamboats from top on down to hull to huck in the firebox 'til the both of 'em finished with nothin' more than a raft with a steam engine and paddle wheel attached.
@@Havlock it is from the Life and Times, but that’s not the story. IIRC Scrooge was bumped on the head by the bandits running the river boat casino so they could steal his gold claim. Then they taunt him by saying his girlfriend was gone/dead [correction: mother had died in Scotland]. At that point he goes ballistic and starts tearing the place apart until the boiler hits the water and explodes
OMG Rocz I'm glad you're not dead. I do hate those stupid crashes where you just fall over. I had that happen at a stop light in Portland where I came to a stop and then just fell to the left and messed up my knee pretty bad and felt like a dumbass.
*I LIVE IN A EUROPEAN CITY* were all the girls are beautiful and ride step through bicycles on the dedicated bike ROADS [not lanes] whilst wearing flowing dresses and smiles [Burgas Bulgaria]
The other thing about parole is that you got captured once, right? You know what happens if you go "eh, whatever, how's some Frenchie gonna know I'm back on my Royal Navy bullshit again" and then they capture you again? Yeah, that's right: you go to forever jail and they tell everyone you've ever met about what a lying, oathbreaking, piece of shit you are. And everybody back home is looking at your commanding officer and whispering behind a hand "hey, didn't that guy help his subordinate violate his parole? Do you really want to play cards with a man who treats sworn oaths so lightly?" So even if you might be inclined to get right back to war, if you try and report for duty you're likely to get told to go home. (Also IIRC parole was often a matter of agreeing not to help the war effort until a prisoner exchange was agreed upon, rather than until the war was over. So instead of keeping you in jail and having to feed you and shit while they worked out who was getting traded for whom, they'd just send you home and you could visit your kids and garden, and then they'd send you a letter saying that you have been exchanged for Lt. So-and-so, who is trimming his mistress's rosebushes outside Toulon, so now you can both report for duty.) You'll also note that the concept of parole also expands essentially in sync with the ability to manage that sort of enforcement. In the medieval period, it's just for members of an aristocratic class who all know each other and gossip constantly, so if you capture Sir Liam, you know he isn't supposed to be on that battlefield because he still owes your third cousin ransom money from the LAST time he got captured, and your aunt told you all about it. By the early modern period, we see it expanding to all officers, not just aristos, because expanding state capacity means that now we can just have a list of all the officers in the enemy navy and also pass around more-or-less up-to-date lists of paroled officers, and so forth. You don't have to know or recognize Major Nova, you can just read her commission and be pretty damn certain who she is, and then check that against your lists.
After months of listening from the first time I heard the SEPTA Pacer episode, I am finally caught up to the current episode. Now that I've given my $2, it's time to marathon the bonus episodes.
2:07:40 Almost. Times Beach was contaminated by dioxin in oil sprayed on roads for dust control, from a plant making (I think) 2,4,5-T, probably for use in Agent Orange
Fun-fact: "Trail mix" is called "Studentenfutter" which literally translates to "student's food", because (university) students are too poor for proper meals y'know? ^^' Liam I feel you. As a german (non jewish) agnostic I hate these atrocities committed with my governments at least partial support, I hate these "exciting times"...
Hello! Genuine question, is trail mix cheap in Germany? Here in the US trail mix is at least 5 or 6 dollars at minimum, it’s a luxury… however an Aldi stuffed crust frozen pizza is like 4 bucks and feeds you multiple times. Does the holy land of Aldi have its best product?
@@BigJoeOperator Mm, making your own trail mix is pretty cheap though. And if you can find a place that sells bulk foods, you can often get trail mix by the pound at pretty reasonable prices.
isn't university like very cheap or free in germany though??? I mean I guess you still don't have much of an income because you're in school (at least for undergrad) but at least you aren't drowning in student loan debt 😬
@@BigJoeOperator Studentenfutter is called that because the term dates back to the 17th century, at which point students were usually rich. It got the name because it was expensive, not cheap like OP claims. It originally was only almonds and raisins, and almonds were quite expensive. According to wikipedia anyway, but it is what I recall too. In Dutch it is called studentenhaver or elitehaver, student or elite oats, similar story. It's also not quite the same as trail mix, because it doesn't usually contain peanuts or chocolate.
@@Nameorsmth zefram cochrane was a tool and i anticipate the real creator of warp would be too like "how the fuck do i get off this planet faster than light"
I guess I'm a plane crash survivor thanks to a charter flight where we hit birds during climb-out, the whole cabin filled with the smell of noxious barbecue poultry, and we had to circle back and land to switch to a different plane. A few of the engine fan blades looked pretty gnarly afterwards, and that A320 didn't fly again for months.
And popularize calling the winning team the correct names like federal troops or the US Army. Calling the winners "union" or "the north" lets neo-confederates pretend they aren't inherently anti-american.
"The deceitful raisin" reminds me of the Cookie Roulette game I used to bring to the office -- I'd make oatmeal cookies with half of them chocolate chip and half of them raisin, then put them out together with a sign reading "take your chances". My colleagues loved or hated me but they were never indifferent.
Rocz, wear a damn helmet. When you're cycling on roads, at least. I get it, I do. But I *also* almost died doing the same thing when a sudden gust of wind pushed my front wheel into the curb, locked it up, and yeeted me over the handlebars. Fortunately, I only ended up with a broken wrist that took 8 months and multiple surgeries to fix, not a TBI. >.>
my flight from hong kong was delayed and when i picked my bags up in heathrow, i noticed they had 'rapid transfer' labels attached in dohar where my layover was because there was a small risk that my luggage may have missed my connecting flight and so they had to rapid transfer them. i am a survivor.
Flying out of Lisbon airport in 2006 they were still asking us to line up for paper tickets to be written. One desk for all the passengers on all the flights. We were processed so late that by the time we checked in our luggage was labelled "HOT" - never seen it before or since.
I think there was a safety third about an aircraft carrier having trouble with its engines/cooling systems in silty water, that may be what's stuck in your head.
The CATOBAR joke reminds me - the US actually had a pair of paddlewheel aircraft carriers, USS Sable and USS Wolverine. During WWII they used them to do pilot training on the Great Lakes. They didn't actually have catapults but still.
Why would they not have catapults ? Aircraft carriers use steam or electric catapults to boost departing aircraft up to a speed from which flight can be maintained during take-offs.
"Plane crash survivor" I have done this as technically a train crash survivor. I was on the Caledonian Sleeper one night, ready to fall asleep whenit suddenly stopped violently snd threw my skittles all over the cabin. I didn't know what had happened, the traon got in slightly late the next morning but I saw a news story a couple of days later and realised that it had hit an object on the line and partially derailed. They replaced the loco and carried on. So I survived a train crash I didn't even really know had happened!
@ 55:30 Yes it can happen in nuclear reactors, see the Simi Valley Nuclear Incident with the partial meltdown of the SRE as a case study and potential future podcast subject. The Santa Susana Field Laboratory was a wild and wacky place that definitely deserves its own episode so we can hear about the open-air sodium burn pits where they disposed of waste by shooting barrels until they exploded and which ended up killing two people.
@@boumajohn Windscale would be an excellent episode. My favourite part of that story is the one scientist insisting that they put filters on top of the cooling air exhaust stacks even though everyone else thought he was a worrywort. Those filters ended up trapping a lot of the radioactive ash from the fire.
As a Georgian who has heard one too many tales about how horrible they are, let me assure everyone that it's still a very, very bad thing to find yourself in a Georgia prison.
The flow problem in a nuclear plant that Nova’s remembering are probably in the TMI condensate polisher with the sticky balls that they’d tried air-fluffing.
I got bounced off the hood of a Ford Mustang as I was biking across an intersection. It hit me doing less than 10 mph, but it was a t-bone and sent me flying across the hood and into the road. I landed on my head and one hand. I was wearing a helmet so the 6 x 6 inch patch of road rash was on it rather than my head.
Holy shit I ended up getting roadrash on my bike around the time this was recorded It's healed up now but it was pretty nasty when I had it Hope you're all good roz
0:30 “please do not cancel your patreon, I need that money to live” It never occurred to me that I’m in a massively-poly parasocial findom relationship with Nova. I’m also somehow not surprised.
My local steam rail museum has an 1885 Mark Twain quote up on the wall about Australia's old difference in rail gauge: "Think of the paralysis of intellect that gave that idea birth, imagine the boulder it emerged from, on some petrified legislator's shoulders." He would've been thrilled to know we fixed this - in 2004. Only took us 119 years to implement the feedback.
I enjoyed Mike Oldfield's Tubular Boilers. 47:45 This podcast has evoked Oldfield to me before numerous times in older episodes, when they get wound up by Rocz redundantly referring to a time as 'x AM in the morning'. The Mike Oldfield song Moonlight Shadow contains the line '3 AM in the morning', which I always think of when they do that. Are they aware of it? I think about this a lot-maybe too much. Edit: aaah, he did it in this episode too, glorious! 1:47:53
Did you think you'd sneak this one past us so early in the day? HA!! Also? No dying, Roz. Think of the Patreon dollars. Proud member of the 'No Flyer Club'.
I'm a plane crash survivor: our pilots were good that day; it was an unexpected storm front over Wellington, NZ. It was our destination, so they tried to turn across the front of the weather and it was a scary few minutes: the cabin crew looked terrified, and that stick with me. Also, I'm half Dutch, so yay Liam, everything you hate about my people is legitimate, but they won that game fair and square, it was only $50, let it go. Also, hard agree, sour-dough kicks ass
It's a shame we will never see an all-electric, four (optionally: 6) motor, 0-60 in 1.7 seconds PONTIAC ULTANA, because I would absolutely buy such a thing. (And drive it only when I was wearing a helmet.)
I wanna make it clear that this comes from a place of love, compassion, and concern: WEAR A FUCKING HELMET. I i’ve been riding a bike since I was 6 with no training wheels ever needed and two helmets have saved my skull at speed from a curb & sidewalk respectively. Thank you for coming to my TEDTalk.
When I was growing up, our across-the-street neighbor was a neurosurgeon AND an award-winning pianist. (No his name was not Buckaroo Banzai) This all ended when he crashed his motorcycle and smashed his head because he was wearing some bullshit authentically original nazi (well, German) half-helmet which became a non-helmet when the 50 year old straps snapped during the crash. He survived, but with none of his skills, and he became irrational and paranoid and always angry.
@@hp67c Yep. I have a nutcase full helmet with hard shell for most rides & a Fuji “foam hat” aero helmet for super hot days where heat stroke is possible. Full helmet (chin guard) on powered 2 wheelers should be the law. I may be in the minority here, but I used to go everywhere with my helmets strapped onto a belt loop when I got to my destination. Pretty handy because when I got to my destination, I could take my wintry hat and other stay-warm stuff into the storage bucket now hanging off my pants. Another big safety tip for riding year-round is also make sure you start out in the winter a little bit chilly because you will absolutely warm up as you ride. Of course you need some good wind blocking stuff, just unzip it a little if you need to.
My younger brother is a commuting cyclist (brain not giving me the correct term) and has a helmet that makes him look like master chief, but more importantly provides lots of good cushioning and protects his face as well as his head. If you want to still look cool with a helmet: master chief it up
You can make your own sourdough starter by simply mixing any kind of flour (including gluten free flours), water, and grapes. The whitish stuff on the outside of the grapes is yeast, which is why you can just crush grapes to make wine and why tossing them in a mix of flour and water and letting them sit until the mix starts bubbling works to make your own sourdough starters. Once it starts bubbling, take the grapes out and you have your starter for any kind of sourdough bread you want. It helps gluten-free bread hold together much better too if you're like me and stuck having to eat that kind of bread or none at all.
Rice, New Orleans had a lot of Rice, the French made Louisianna a Rice producing colony, and it remained a hug part of agriculture until the cotton gin came along. And yes fouling of heat exchanger tubes do happen, but it happens in the Main condensers of the steam side of Navy Nuclear vessels, for example the USS theodore Roosevelt was delayed by a day from a deployment because a plankton Bloom had been sucked up by the main condenser pumps and the heat of the steam condensing into Liquid water had fried the plankton into a scale on the heat exchanger tubes, and they had to shut down the plants and pressure wash the condenser tubes. They were ableto leave the next day, but they to clean all four Main Condensers.
The dinosaur thumbnail made me think "it would be so cool if jurassic park was real" not because i would go, but lets be real, we all know eventually it would happen and a bunch of rich dudes would become dino snacks.
@@thessaalders9770 sorry to hear about your misstep. I was thinking it was more traumatic.... like hitting a parked railcar while illegally riding an ATV through a trainyard. That stuff happens in a city near me.
54:00 Wasn't there cast steel before the Bessemer process that had similar properties? Not a materials science guy, but I've read about English cast tool steel when researching old woodworking tools. Not sure if that also came later as well.
@55:00 The recollection you're having re: hot spots and nuclear reactors was the Safety Third submitted by a Navy nuke talking about how U.S.S. Enterprise took on silty water and clogged her systems.
I've got high grade wrought iron in the leg of my 1880's floor vise. It is beautiful stuff with at least 3 things going on, there's streaks of silver steel, flecks of carbon and grey iron crystals, some with black outlines from pushing carbon to the edge. If I had another post (floor) vise, I'd saw that one up into blade blanks and do grind-outs (as opposed to forging) then etch. If anyone has another post b/c they shattered the cast screw,, let me know.
I cannot fully convey how much I love the phrase "A paddle boat full of daiquiris and architecture" and I need to find any and all situations where I can use it.
Roz, you're not allowed to die cycling until you're older than your voice
😅😅
You realize that if he and his voice age at the same rate from this point on, this would make Rocz immortal.
@@Eloraurora Inshallah?
@@Eloraurora Not fully immortal, just cycling immortal. Which is still cool
@@sethmoyer I'd take cycling immortality, no question.
If Liam is ever the subject of a newspaper article, the headline will probably read “Local Anarchist Yells at Sandwich”.
Must have been a fish sandwich
So it would a local newspaper
Look, who among us hasn't yelled at a sandwich?
When he got on the news one time it's him buying oil
@@relwaretepWhenever I have heard the whole “I do not respect fish” thing from Liam, it’s usually in the context of freshwater fish (which here in the US look very bizarre, so I don’t hold that against him). Does he think that saltwater fish are at least a bit more tolerable (since at least they don’t come from the alien world that is the Louisiana bayou)?
home ownership is such a foreign concept that when alice said "when you dont have a landlord anymore is when you have to be quiet about the patreon" i just thought "why would you be quiet abt patreon if you were homeless?"
She changed her name btw, it's Nova now. And yes she has made multiple jokes about naming herself after a month.
It's unreal how much not having to pay rent rewires your brain
@@codemonster8443 She should have gone with December for their The World is Not Enough episode of Kill James Bond.
@@tabula_rosaUnless you’re wealthy enough to just buy the home outright, rent just becomes mortgage for the rest of us. The benefit is that it’s going to something tangible, if your remaining lifespan is at least thirty years beyond the present.
@@DiamondKingStudios
"30 years beyond the present"
My 5 year plan is "don't die" at this point and it's a stretch goal lol
That's a very low resolution photo with a ton of people. Oh....oh no...
I haven't started listening yet, but already those people are looking like victims of some sort of crime.
As soon as I saw all those people packed on that boat I just thought I'm glad I hate boats. There's no way
@@nopenopeandnope7050Seems like they will all be pickpocketed by one giant pickpocket
@@MachineWashableKatie that pickpocket being the grim reaper, yes
@@MachineWashableKatie Just like the MS Estonia. 😮
I love how in the introductions Justin always apprehensively pauses between 'I'm' and 'Justin' as though he's trying to read his own name tag upside-down 😂
This sort of business changes people.
XD that is such an accurate description it’s perfect
1:18:39 the name Justin's thinking of here is Wilma Mankiller. She was the head of the Cherokee Nation back in the 1980s, the first woman to serve in that role, as well as a general activist for Indian rights.
Yo she sounds rad
"Friend of the show Benzene" is an underrated line. Truly, every time it is mentioned, I do have to go "Benzene you rat bastard how dare you show your face here again."
Benzine: haha, I was here the whole time, that's kinda my whole thing... that and cancer.
Never in my life would I think to hear the words, "Chekhov's Alligator."
I narrowly avoided a Sultana disaster after eating 6 snack size boxes of Sun Maid raisins while riding a commuter bus
what a deliciously bad time you had, they're so delicious but - the consequences!!!!!!!
The moral of that Safety Third segment really should be "always be respectful of pressurized systems until you're certain it can no longer contain pressure"... Hydraulics and pneumatics can be insanely dangerous, but people get complacent around them when they don't fail catastrophically for months or years... Outside of an automobile, I feel like they're one of the greatest underrated dangers people can deal with.
Not to be a kill joy but bring your own helmet.
Every time.
You don’t know how many times the thing they give you has been dropped (if they give you one)
And if you ever get in an accident where a helmet saves your head, replace the helmet even if there's lack of visible damage. It's safety rating has been compromised
I recently got an e-bike for the first time. I don't have a bike helmet, so I wear my motorcycle helmet, which is a known quantity/quality. The goggles are a bonus, too. (Despite owning an e-bike I'm poor, it was a gift)
When Nova said, "You nearly died", my immediate thought was that Liam bought a Viper
I for sure thought someone nearly choked to death on an ill timed bite of a sandwich before recording
It's honestly crazy how forgotten this disaster is. The worst shipwreck in US history and it's basically a footnote for the Lincoln assassination.
@@hjt091 the Lincoln assassination is another whole entire episode, I feel. The fact that so-called doctors were just spelunking inside dude’s skull…
@@Transit_BikerAn entire slide should be dedicated to what incredible luck Grant had in not going.
Too bad Gordon Lightfoot wasn't from Cairo, IL
I have a 3rd great grandfather that survived the Sultana disaster he was with the 89th Ohio Union volunteer infantry and was a POW from Andersonville prison he barley survived being malnourished from almost near starvation from the prison. He managed to grab a plank of wood floated down the river about 9 miles before being rescued by a passing fishing boat.
Congratulations You're part of history... Or at least the history of the well there is your problems problems
That poor man could not catch a fucking break goddamn
@jennak.2442 ya getting shot wounded and being taken prisoner almost starving to death. Then, getting severely burned (from the boiler exploding) and almost drowning sounds like the worst possible luck, but despite all that, he survived.
that's wild!
The most connection I have with Andersonville is having been to it once on a Scouting trip years ago.
Great place to visit, if you can handle hundred-degree summers and wasps flying everywhere. I think the Northern states adding their memorials fifty years after the war was an interesting part of it. Mostly engraved marble obelisks.
There was one informational plaque where I learned about the guy being kept as a POW in Vietnam who blinked “torture” in Morse Code for the audience at home.
DEVON-- Thank you for the on screen content warning for the news segment. Really appreciate it.
I'm so glad! I hope you continue doing better!
I wasn't part of that chain, but it is always good to see someone still hanging on. Thank you for being here.
Professional help is good.
congrats on the improved mental health
Good work getting professional help. Glad you're still here.
I have no idea why, but Nova responding to "The men were too thick to navigate through" with "Been there.....wait no I haven't what am I talking about..." fuckin' got me good 👏
Is this the perfect WTYP disaster? Caused by bad maintenance in the name of cost cutting, made worse by overloading chasing to get more money and sprinkle in some political corruption as well.
I can see all of the hosts getting really angry about this one! And rightly so.
Hm. But no ‘make it more RIGID’ mention
@@scarlett453The picture of the Sultana is on a glass plate, which is rigid. Fragile, but not flexible like later film.
How many fish? (I'm still just at the news)
9:47 ok now I need a like animation or photoshop of Liam dressed up as a raccoon just carrying a loaf of bread! GET ON IT ANIMATORS!!
I second this idea.
WHERE ARE THE ANIMATORS?!!!
I’m sure @camstonisland is on it
Deadly boiler explosions were common on the Mississippi in the 1820s through 50s, killing hundreds of people every year. The 1852 Steamboat Bill strictly regulated the kind of boilers that were permitted. The regulation WORKED and there were no explosions for decades before this 1865 disaster which (spoilers for 1:32:00) was caused by insanely illegal levels of overcrowding. Even in the stupidly libertarian 1850s, minimal safety regulation saved thousands of lives and could have saved the lives of these Union men if it had been upheld by the corrupt Union Army.
lifelong west coast resident here and I have NEVER heard of this "scooped" bagel. I refuse to believe it. I disavow it, even.
Same and exactly. This is some shit that's sold by specific few bagel shops.
I think it's just an LA thing
Dev shows us they have easy access to a picture of Milkshake at all times and then doesn't place it on the screen every time Milkshake is mentioned. Sloppy work, Devon
WTYP- the bpro union anti-milkshake podcast about engineering. No I will not explain
You know, you'd think the worst part of your night would be the boiler explosion or the fire on a wooden boat and then someone says the phrase "where's that alligator". What sort of eldritch horror did these guys piss off enough to hit them with what could be best described as several significant emotional events at once, only then to add a fucking alligator to the mix.
See, it's vital to have at least one engineer in the polycule so that they can keep the commune windmill working...
I'm going to out myself as one of those weird Nordic Donald Duck fans here, but screw it... This disaster was given a spin in one chapter of the Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck series of comics by the artist Don Rosa. He's always enjoyed rooting his stories in real-life history and because of it a bunch of Norwegians, Swedes and Danes who grew up reading these comics have an inordinate interest in and knowledge of the Klondike Gold Rush and American history.
This event, for which a young Scrooge McDuck was reportedly responsible, took place in one of the most meaningful chapters of Scrooge’s life story where bereavement and the seeming loss of his one true love turns him to the pursuit of only money.
Scrooge McDuck is responsible for a real life disaster is crazy. Also duck American civil war.
I feel like I'm getting the religious mythos of some alien culture explained to me.
Hey don’t forget us Dutch fans, Donald Duck weekly is till this very day the largest magazine for children (and adults alike) for over 70 years now.
Oh and I love the life and times of Scrooge McDuck, I have the complete volumes in my phone so I can read it when I feel like it
Could you tell me if this is from The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck? I remember a Scrooge McDuck comic book, or at least a story in another comic book, from, gotta be more than 25 years ago, where Scrooge was in a steamboat race with a rival. IIRC, they both ran outta fuel at neck-and-neck, so, I think Scrooge, followed by the rival, started ripping up parts of their steamboats from top on down to hull to huck in the firebox 'til the both of 'em finished with nothin' more than a raft with a steam engine and paddle wheel attached.
@@Havlock it is from the Life and Times, but that’s not the story. IIRC Scrooge was bumped on the head by the bandits running the river boat casino so they could steal his gold claim. Then they taunt him by saying his girlfriend was gone/dead [correction: mother had died in Scotland]. At that point he goes ballistic and starts tearing the place apart until the boiler hits the water and explodes
OMG Rocz I'm glad you're not dead. I do hate those stupid crashes where you just fall over. I had that happen at a stop light in Portland where I came to a stop and then just fell to the left and messed up my knee pretty bad and felt like a dumbass.
*I LIVE IN A EUROPEAN CITY* were all the girls are beautiful and ride step through bicycles on the dedicated bike ROADS [not lanes] whilst wearing flowing dresses and smiles
[Burgas Bulgaria]
The other thing about parole is that you got captured once, right? You know what happens if you go "eh, whatever, how's some Frenchie gonna know I'm back on my Royal Navy bullshit again" and then they capture you again? Yeah, that's right: you go to forever jail and they tell everyone you've ever met about what a lying, oathbreaking, piece of shit you are. And everybody back home is looking at your commanding officer and whispering behind a hand "hey, didn't that guy help his subordinate violate his parole? Do you really want to play cards with a man who treats sworn oaths so lightly?" So even if you might be inclined to get right back to war, if you try and report for duty you're likely to get told to go home.
(Also IIRC parole was often a matter of agreeing not to help the war effort until a prisoner exchange was agreed upon, rather than until the war was over. So instead of keeping you in jail and having to feed you and shit while they worked out who was getting traded for whom, they'd just send you home and you could visit your kids and garden, and then they'd send you a letter saying that you have been exchanged for Lt. So-and-so, who is trimming his mistress's rosebushes outside Toulon, so now you can both report for duty.)
You'll also note that the concept of parole also expands essentially in sync with the ability to manage that sort of enforcement. In the medieval period, it's just for members of an aristocratic class who all know each other and gossip constantly, so if you capture Sir Liam, you know he isn't supposed to be on that battlefield because he still owes your third cousin ransom money from the LAST time he got captured, and your aunt told you all about it. By the early modern period, we see it expanding to all officers, not just aristos, because expanding state capacity means that now we can just have a list of all the officers in the enemy navy and also pass around more-or-less up-to-date lists of paroled officers, and so forth. You don't have to know or recognize Major Nova, you can just read her commission and be pretty damn certain who she is, and then check that against your lists.
Reminds me of the safety third with the uss enterprise aircraft carrier bottoming out on a sandbar clogging up the condensers they had similar tubes.
Did anyone else reading this go "star tre- oh!"
Colonel Hatch was just in the wrong branch, because it'd be an amazing name on a submarine crew.
After months of listening from the first time I heard the SEPTA Pacer episode, I am finally caught up to the current episode. Now that I've given my $2, it's time to marathon the bonus episodes.
2:07:40 Almost. Times Beach was contaminated by dioxin in oil sprayed on roads for dust control, from a plant making (I think) 2,4,5-T, probably for use in Agent Orange
"where's that alligator" all timer line lmfao
Fun-fact: "Trail mix" is called "Studentenfutter" which literally translates to "student's food", because (university) students are too poor for proper meals y'know? ^^'
Liam I feel you. As a german (non jewish) agnostic I hate these atrocities committed with my governments at least partial support, I hate these "exciting times"...
Hello! Genuine question, is trail mix cheap in Germany? Here in the US trail mix is at least 5 or 6 dollars at minimum, it’s a luxury… however an Aldi stuffed crust frozen pizza is like 4 bucks and feeds you multiple times. Does the holy land of Aldi have its best product?
omg it's even better than student food, it's student *feed*. like animal feed. thank you for sharing this beautiful word
@@BigJoeOperator Mm, making your own trail mix is pretty cheap though. And if you can find a place that sells bulk foods, you can often get trail mix by the pound at pretty reasonable prices.
isn't university like very cheap or free in germany though??? I mean I guess you still don't have much of an income because you're in school (at least for undergrad) but at least you aren't drowning in student loan debt 😬
@@BigJoeOperator Studentenfutter is called that because the term dates back to the 17th century, at which point students were usually rich. It got the name because it was expensive, not cheap like OP claims. It originally was only almonds and raisins, and almonds were quite expensive. According to wikipedia anyway, but it is what I recall too.
In Dutch it is called studentenhaver or elitehaver, student or elite oats, similar story.
It's also not quite the same as trail mix, because it doesn't usually contain peanuts or chocolate.
8:31 having lived on the west coast my whole life, I am proud to have never heard of a scooped bagel, and mortified to learn of this monstrosity.
XDXDXD
Well I'm a transfem licensed civil engineer and in a poly relationship, so I guess I'd better get inventing some stuff
They've already invented the USB rechargeable heated ice cream scoop, there's nothing left to invent.
We'res our warp nacelles?
@@cholulahotsauce6166THE WHAT
@@Nameorsmth zefram cochrane was a tool and i anticipate the real creator of warp would be too like "how the fuck do i get off this planet faster than light"
You should automatically qualify as a plane crash survivor if the plane was made by Boeing
But if he ever claimed that, the “survivor” part would not be maintained for very long.
This is Boeing we’re talking about.
The single, solitary "womp" for the alligator nearly sent me to an early grave, thank you November
I guess I'm a plane crash survivor thanks to a charter flight where we hit birds during climb-out, the whole cabin filled with the smell of noxious barbecue poultry, and we had to circle back and land to switch to a different plane. A few of the engine fan blades looked pretty gnarly afterwards, and that A320 didn't fly again for months.
Oh God, cabin atmosphere is maintained by bleed-air so that would happen. Not a pleasant thought.
Popularize calling it "the war of southern rebellion"
And popularize calling the winning team the correct names like federal troops or the US Army. Calling the winners "union" or "the north" lets neo-confederates pretend they aren't inherently anti-american.
‘Rebellion’ is too cool sounding. ‘The southern war to defend trading human beings like Pokémon’ sounds sufficiently repellent and nerdy
@@capsjukebox Too Long, We can compromise on "War of Southern Atrocity"?
@@edwardarkwright7116 War of southern comeuppance?
I'm partial to one of those inherently-minimizing titles that they use in the UK like The Troubles or The Emergency.
I like how the need for a recording time might be a good metric for weeks where decades happen.
38:22 The Mississippi is trying to transition and Americans are forcing it to stay the same. Girl, you be you. Be the Tratrifya you were meant to be.
"The deceitful raisin" reminds me of the Cookie Roulette game I used to bring to the office -- I'd make oatmeal cookies with half of them chocolate chip and half of them raisin, then put them out together with a sign reading "take your chances". My colleagues loved or hated me but they were never indifferent.
Rocz, wear a damn helmet. When you're cycling on roads, at least.
I get it, I do. But I *also* almost died doing the same thing when a sudden gust of wind pushed my front wheel into the curb, locked it up, and yeeted me over the handlebars. Fortunately, I only ended up with a broken wrist that took 8 months and multiple surgeries to fix, not a TBI. >.>
Larboard, the left version of Starboard.
Honestly genius we never should have stopped doing that.
my flight from hong kong was delayed and when i picked my bags up in heathrow, i noticed they had 'rapid transfer' labels attached in dohar where my layover was because there was a small risk that my luggage may have missed my connecting flight and so they had to rapid transfer them. i am a survivor.
Flying out of Lisbon airport in 2006 they were still asking us to line up for paper tickets to be written. One desk for all the passengers on all the flights. We were processed so late that by the time we checked in our luggage was labelled "HOT" - never seen it before or since.
Thank you for your service.
Thank yall for doing what you do. Yall have definitely helped me maintain my sanity the past 6 or 7 years. Much love
I think there was a safety third about an aircraft carrier having trouble with its engines/cooling systems in silty water, that may be what's stuck in your head.
Thank you so much for the content warning this time - my wife and I really appreciate it and it was well done
I guess they ain't Raisin' that ship huh
Thats such a grape joke🙃
crazy that my first thought was abt the mary ellen carter and not that youd made a pun
@@theNunncelerthat song slaps
"Hey guys! There's a clown in a swan-drawn tub!"
Everyone rushes to see, boat capsizes.
The CATOBAR joke reminds me - the US actually had a pair of paddlewheel aircraft carriers, USS Sable and USS Wolverine. During WWII they used them to do pilot training on the Great Lakes. They didn't actually have catapults but still.
Why would they not have catapults ? Aircraft carriers use steam or electric catapults to boost departing aircraft up to a speed from which flight can be maintained during take-offs.
@@FionaOfMountLawley because it was WWII and planes could take off under their own power and wind across the deck.
@@FionaOfMountLawley They were for training and landing is the tricky part.
"Plane crash survivor" I have done this as technically a train crash survivor.
I was on the Caledonian Sleeper one night, ready to fall asleep whenit suddenly stopped violently snd threw my skittles all over the cabin.
I didn't know what had happened, the traon got in slightly late the next morning but I saw a news story a couple of days later and realised that it had hit an object on the line and partially derailed. They replaced the loco and carried on.
So I survived a train crash I didn't even really know had happened!
@ 55:30 Yes it can happen in nuclear reactors, see the Simi Valley Nuclear Incident with the partial meltdown of the SRE as a case study and potential future podcast subject. The Santa Susana Field Laboratory was a wild and wacky place that definitely deserves its own episode so we can hear about the open-air sodium burn pits where they disposed of waste by shooting barrels until they exploded and which ended up killing two people.
WT actual F. How do you arrive at that method waste disposal?
@@boumajohn rocky flats is such a clusterfuck that it could be an entire *series* of episodes
@@boumajohn Windscale would be an excellent episode. My favourite part of that story is the one scientist insisting that they put filters on top of the cooling air exhaust stacks even though everyone else thought he was a worrywort. Those filters ended up trapping a lot of the radioactive ash from the fire.
As a Georgian who has heard one too many tales about how horrible they are, let me assure everyone that it's still a very, very bad thing to find yourself in a Georgia prison.
The flow problem in a nuclear plant that Nova’s remembering are probably in the TMI condensate polisher with the sticky balls that they’d tried air-fluffing.
I got bounced off the hood of a Ford Mustang as I was biking across an intersection. It hit me doing less than 10 mph, but it was a t-bone and sent me flying across the hood and into the road. I landed on my head and one hand. I was wearing a helmet so the 6 x 6 inch patch of road rash was on it rather than my head.
Holy shit I ended up getting roadrash on my bike around the time this was recorded
It's healed up now but it was pretty nasty when I had it
Hope you're all good roz
0:30 “please do not cancel your patreon, I need that money to live”
It never occurred to me that I’m in a massively-poly parasocial findom relationship with Nova. I’m also somehow not surprised.
Between this and that Filair plane crash, it's never good to be an aquatic reptile on any type of mass transit conveyance.
My local steam rail museum has an 1885 Mark Twain quote up on the wall about Australia's old difference in rail gauge: "Think of the paralysis of intellect that gave that idea birth, imagine the boulder it emerged from, on some petrified legislator's shoulders."
He would've been thrilled to know we fixed this - in 2004. Only took us 119 years to implement the feedback.
Ship's pet crocodile alligator; I ride a mississippiensis life preserver
I enjoyed Mike Oldfield's Tubular Boilers. 47:45 This podcast has evoked Oldfield to me before numerous times in older episodes, when they get wound up by Rocz redundantly referring to a time as 'x AM in the morning'. The Mike Oldfield song Moonlight Shadow contains the line '3 AM in the morning', which I always think of when they do that. Are they aware of it? I think about this a lot-maybe too much.
Edit: aaah, he did it in this episode too, glorious! 1:47:53
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks of Moonlight Shadow every time Rocz says that!
Did you think you'd sneak this one past us so early in the day? HA!! Also? No dying, Roz. Think of the Patreon dollars.
Proud member of the 'No Flyer Club'.
I'm a plane crash survivor: our pilots were good that day; it was an unexpected storm front over Wellington, NZ.
It was our destination, so they tried to turn across the front of the weather and it was a scary few minutes: the cabin crew looked terrified, and that stick with me.
Also, I'm half Dutch, so yay Liam, everything you hate about my people is legitimate, but they won that game fair and square, it was only $50, let it go.
Also, hard agree, sour-dough kicks ass
I love how in some pieces of artwork SULTANA is on the wheel covers, in some only SULTAN fits, and on some other only ULTANA
It's a shame we will never see an all-electric, four (optionally: 6) motor, 0-60 in 1.7 seconds PONTIAC ULTANA, because I would absolutely buy such a thing. (And drive it only when I was wearing a helmet.)
I wanna make it clear that this comes from a place of love, compassion, and concern: WEAR A FUCKING HELMET. I i’ve been riding a bike since I was 6 with no training wheels ever needed and two helmets have saved my skull at speed from a curb & sidewalk respectively. Thank you for coming to my TEDTalk.
When I was growing up, our across-the-street neighbor was a neurosurgeon AND an award-winning pianist. (No his name was not Buckaroo Banzai) This all ended when he crashed his motorcycle and smashed his head because he was wearing some bullshit authentically original nazi (well, German) half-helmet which became a non-helmet when the 50 year old straps snapped during the crash. He survived, but with none of his skills, and he became irrational and paranoid and always angry.
@@hp67c Yep. I have a nutcase full helmet with hard shell for most rides & a Fuji “foam hat” aero helmet for super hot days where heat stroke is possible. Full helmet (chin guard) on powered 2 wheelers should be the law. I may be in the minority here, but I used to go everywhere with my helmets strapped onto a belt loop when I got to my destination. Pretty handy because when I got to my destination, I could take my wintry hat and other stay-warm stuff into the storage bucket now hanging off my pants. Another big safety tip for riding year-round is also make sure you start out in the winter a little bit chilly because you will absolutely warm up as you ride. Of course you need some good wind blocking stuff, just unzip it a little if you need to.
My younger brother is a commuting cyclist (brain not giving me the correct term) and has a helmet that makes him look like master chief, but more importantly provides lots of good cushioning and protects his face as well as his head. If you want to still look cool with a helmet: master chief it up
Honestly, poor Alligator. Was probably stressed as hell, would've just swam away in all likelyhood.
"I need you to make rent Ross. Your my best friend Ross" Yay Liam.
the best part about finishing your trail mix is then you have a nice bag of peanuts and raisins you can use to feed the less fortunate
You can make your own sourdough starter by simply mixing any kind of flour (including gluten free flours), water, and grapes. The whitish stuff on the outside of the grapes is yeast, which is why you can just crush grapes to make wine and why tossing them in a mix of flour and water and letting them sit until the mix starts bubbling works to make your own sourdough starters. Once it starts bubbling, take the grapes out and you have your starter for any kind of sourdough bread you want. It helps gluten-free bread hold together much better too if you're like me and stuck having to eat that kind of bread or none at all.
At 55:28 I think Nova referring to the Safety Third about the USS Enterprise sucking up all the material and sea life into the condensers.
That was the Ronald Reagan wasn't it?
The worst thing a mechanic can say to you is ''why didn't you have it fixed before it became a problem''
Rice, New Orleans had a lot of Rice, the French made Louisianna a Rice producing colony, and it remained a hug part of agriculture until the cotton gin came along. And yes fouling of heat exchanger tubes do happen, but it happens in the Main condensers of the steam side of Navy Nuclear vessels, for example the USS theodore Roosevelt was delayed by a day from a deployment because a plankton Bloom had been sucked up by the main condenser pumps and the heat of the steam condensing into Liquid water had fried the plankton into a scale on the heat exchanger tubes, and they had to shut down the plants and pressure wash the condenser tubes. They were ableto leave the next day, but they to clean all four Main Condensers.
The dinosaur thumbnail made me think "it would be so cool if jurassic park was real" not because i would go, but lets be real, we all know eventually it would happen and a bunch of rich dudes would become dino snacks.
I would love to see the Well There's Your Problem episode on Jurassic Park.
I have been waiting for this episode for at least three years. I'm glad this is finally being covered!
“Shelby Foote fetish” was too good, lol
Hi, I'm Thessa, I am a survivor of a collision with a train. The train was stationary, I was not.
Please tell.....
@@-Cece Stepped between the train and the platform, still have the scar. 1/10 do not recommend
@@thessaalders9770 sorry to hear about your misstep. I was thinking it was more traumatic.... like hitting a parked railcar while illegally riding an ATV through a trainyard. That stuff happens in a city near me.
54:00 Wasn't there cast steel before the Bessemer process that had similar properties? Not a materials science guy, but I've read about English cast tool steel when researching old woodworking tools. Not sure if that also came later as well.
Devon, please know you are a treasure and I hope you are doing well today
"This episode is about a routine boat expedition where nothing bad happened, called 'The Voyage of the Damned.'"
...it too had an alligator.
Kennedy hid candy in the Resolute Desk, that’s why his son was always crawling around under it.
"shrimp jesus rising out of the mississippi" shouldnt that be crawfish jesus?
crawdaddy
Man cannot live in bread alone, but I AM NO MAN.
“One of you Samuel Clemens has to choose a new name” I think one of them did….
I think I'm too clumsy to forgo a helmet even if I moved to the Netherlands.
@55:00 The recollection you're having re: hot spots and nuclear reactors was the Safety Third submitted by a Navy nuke talking about how U.S.S. Enterprise took on silty water and clogged her systems.
My first reaction upon seeing this video in my UA-cam feed:
“Wait, they haven’t done the Sultana before? How have they not done the Sultana before?”
New Well There's Your Problem? On my birthday? Let's Gooo!
Happy Birthday!
Nova: you're thinking of Windscale: hot spots in the graphite, vigner releases etc
Roz I am a professional bicycle mechanic who works at a shop in Philly. Let me fix your brakes bud. I'll do it for free!
We've been blessed with another boat episode. Life's good.
New favourite Devon moment at 50:28 , giving us a peek behind the curtain whilst they serve the Family Feud Strike on November.
Woke up to this. It rained during the night in the mountain west. Its been since a bonus episode dropped. Nature and my brain are healing.
I'm a plane heavy landing survivor
I've got high grade wrought iron in the leg of my 1880's floor vise. It is beautiful stuff with at least 3 things going on, there's streaks of silver steel, flecks of carbon and grey iron crystals, some with black outlines from pushing carbon to the edge. If I had another post (floor) vise, I'd saw that one up into blade blanks and do grind-outs (as opposed to forging) then etch.
If anyone has another post b/c they shattered the cast screw,, let me know.
I’m from SoCal and this is the first I’ve heard of a “scooped bagel”. Including the several years I worked at a bagel place as a teen.
I cannot fully convey how much I love the phrase "A paddle boat full of daiquiris and architecture" and I need to find any and all situations where I can use it.
Last ep was "Oops all News", this time it's currant affairs. What's the raisin for repeating the topic?
If you survive a flight on a Boeing you're a plane crash survivor.
November spitting unvarnished bike safety truth in the first minute. 😁
While Rocz just barely manages to avert Liam going full mom mode on his failure to wear a helmet