STARSHIP UPDATE 2024
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- Опубліковано 19 жов 2024
- On April 6th, 2024, Elon Musk gave what was advertised as "an update on the company's plans to send humanity to Mars, the best destination to begin making life multiplanetary."
We check in on the progress being made towards Musk's city on Mars..
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Those crickets are pumped for Mars
This comment deserves to be pinned
Done.
And he couldn't even feed them on the trip....
Crickets will be what they’re eating on Mars.
Nah, the colonists will be eating the sounds of crickets and leather boots, because there’s no way in hell Musk could feed a million people.
"We're not going to go through the entire 45 minute mumblefest...."
God bless you.
Yes bless x2 it was still a struggle listening to him in this heavily edited version
Yes, thank you!
It's why I didn't initially watch it live. I'm pretty sure I would have lost brain mass if I had.
They're doin' gods work, synthesising Musk's bs.
Sparing us the mumblefest was very welcome, as were the crickets through the embarassing number of pregnant pauses... but perhaps a minute of mumblefest at the start would have helped set the tone, a taste at least, esp. for new viewers not already amazed at how hideous a speaker the 'incredible genius saviour of humanity'' is... perhaps a pregnant pause or two, with [please clap caption], then save the viewer with editing and crickets.
fElon's so awful that I only really see him long form on CSS/Thunderfoot making a 'shot' of him struggling a fun booster...
C.S.S. Musk content is just soooo choice, absolutely love it. Always like as I open the post and share, even message my fellow C.S.S. fans as they might be busy and not find out till the evening- its always a 'watch it now' impulse so someone letting you know its there for when you're free later gives something exciting to look forward to (even with bell/notifications on, its need to know now)...
Keep up the great work!
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fElon's tone at the end sounded defeated.
I presume the idea of this MAGA-esque rally was to take Starships 'biggest fans' and create a hype video- him explaining the plan (his fever dream) and the crowd going wild throught and deffo in the pauses.
Reel would spread across social's and be sent to U.S. govt. types who would be wowed by the vision [billionaire sci-fi manchild's fever dream] and they'd be so bowled over by his engineers enthusiasm and trust in this vision that theyd have the funding for the next phases billions signed off before the end of the amazing update.
Instead the team shifted nervously side to side hoping the update would bring something new, a plan that backers could buy into, fund and secure their jobs.
Within minutes the staff aka sober grown up realist scientists n engineers making up the audience were slapped in the face with the reality- this idiot is off the reservation, or he's on the reservation but he's eaten all the Peyote and is fever dreaming.
... And 'oh man my wifes gonna kill me, "dont work for that racist conman, we cant put our family's eggs in his basket... and the kids are just about settling, they've just got places in school and we've almost finished unpacking from our move... and Starships doomed, this guys a crackhead and I need a new job n we're on the move again... fuuuk... and I'll need to buy a new truck coz I cant move the family in my new Cybertruck coz it only goes 200 miles fully loaded and I cant see out the windshield coz I shot it with my kids bb gun to show its bulletproof n it broke...'
fElon's tone towards end was of a man feeling defeated, exposed.
His best lines didnt work.
'They didnt clap, we're sending a million people to Mars from right there and the folk delivering my fever dream didnt clap'.
Ohh the humanity, poor ol fElon getting found out. Lost his fanboy audience, will hopefully lose govt funding for conceptually farked Starship, as the EV scam is exposed and losing demand and and and. Charlatan grifter deserves to lose it all.
Thank you C.S.S. for documenting the rise and RUD of his vapourware empire n bankrupt ideologies.
The reaction of the crowd is very telling, considering it's coming from people who have run the numbers on all of the bs Elon is spouting
He's taking a page from the Putin playbook. Those are probably mostly SpaceX employees.
They are going to get a stern email for their lack of enthusiasm on Monday morning.
I'm surprised they didn't laugh out loud.
@@StudebThey may have been mentally composing their resignation letters because who is going to want this disaster on their cv.
I couldn't even sit through this whole thing even if I'm interested in watching a scammer lie while i lay in bed, imagine having to stand there ...
There's a youtube channel called S3 and he interviewed a guy a couple of weeks ago who worked at a Hyperloop company. He said that all the engineers working there knew from the beginning that it was not a feasible project but that they wanted to see how close they could get before the money ran out, and if any valuable lessons could be learned in the process of trying. I wonder how many of the current SpaceX engineers have the same attitude.
That's actually pretty common in engineering. Some people are very happy to pursue tech challenges they know will never succeed.
They didn't "know", but thought that it was most likely, and they found out in their own way. It is curious to note though, that even the altitude record of Icarus was in time eclipsed. Some people dare to try, while others watch and snicker (and thanks to previous doers, can now make a living throwing stones). I actually value the CSS content, despite its destructive intent
@@benglassop
That appears how the American Capitalism works - by hyping things up, looting the investors, bankrupting companies, and then using the resulting glut of assets/intellectual property, bought for pennies on a dollar, to create something useful.
@@benglassop ' Daring & trying ' isn't that brave if someone else picks up the bill , no matter if you succeed or fail.
@@spiritualanarchist8162 So I guess you live self sufficient in the jungle? Nope, you bravely exist on the backs of bills repeatedly paid both past and present, by those who ignored the small minded and risked it all. Both the "successes" and the "failures". Success is an example, failure is a warning. Both are immensely more valuable than being a resentful and destructive troll, merely existing to tell the courageous what they can and cannot do. You'll never be able to pay back that bill
I love that Elon doesn't realize it's him --- HE is on Team Planet-Kaboom. He's the threat to humankind he's so frightened of.
Also the script, editing, pacing, sound crafting, & narration on this video is superb. CSS is always sharp AF but this one is excellent. Mmm. Brain goes nom nom nom.
This is quite possibly the most "this could have been an email" company meeting of all time
Transporting 1 million people to Mars to live in a self-sufficient settlement is so insane that even flat earthers sound sane by comparison...
Realistically, who wants to live in a hostile desert environment. Can't step outside, no animals, sounds like punishment to me
@@haydo8373 Or west Texas but, yeah.
@@haydo8373even if it was possible, who wants to never feel the sun on their skin again and breathe poop smelling recycled air for the rest of their lives ?
@@haydo8373 It's not just a desert.
It's a cold, radiation blasted and has less air than Earth and the air is toxic.
As someone who has a flat rather brother, I can confirm the reality of this statement.
you will never have a problem debunking stuff as long as Musk is around
"He's making it up as he goes along!" Life of Brian
"Fully reusable" is SpaceX's "fully self-driving"
SpaceX already have fully reusable speeches for Musk to repeat _ad nauseas._ 🤣
At least they have Full Self Destruction
"Blown up astronauts just reincarnate, right?"
- Musk probably
Starship is worse for SpaceX than Cybertruck is for Tesla.
@@picahudsoniaunflocked5426
"Just re-log into the Matrix with a new account. It's that easy (nervous laugh)"
19:30
To be fair, Matt Damon was able to survive 100s of days on Mars alone by figuring this stuff out. And Matt is just an actor. If an actor can figure this all out, I am sure our best scientists can too
;)
Sage observance.
I have it from reliable sources that Damon never was on Mars tho. It was a hoax, staged and filmed in a TV studio in Arizona
Genius!!!
Matt Day - monnnn
"Masterful observation, sire!"
- DogeDesigner
Hearing the crowd's dead silence following Musk's false promises and shitty jokes was music to my ears.
I'd say it's a case of reality catching up to Musk faster than he can lie.
People used to give Musk a lot of credit for his "visionary" views, but over the years many people have realised that Musk is just copy-pasting ideas from others and then executing those ideas badly. It's also becoming clear that whereas he used to carefully prepare his speeches, he now just "wings it" and fails miserably at it. And on top of that he seems to have lost much of his former coherency, which already wasn't his strong point. At this point in time Musk sounds more like what he in my opinion is: a con-artist who's desperately trying to stay ahead of his own lies, that have come around to bite him in the behind.
pumpty dumpty should have hired Dave Chappelle to help him out, "Dave, what should I say?"
Hear hear
The crickets was so loud so it drenched the applauding.
The reason no press was at this update is because he doesn't want any critical questions to be asked in public.
The drug use, sycophants everywhere, lack of constructive feedback and constant Twitter (X) use has turned his brain to mush
Don't get me wrong. He was never the genius he and the media marketing portrayed him as.
He did however once have the ability to not shit himself in public on a daily basis
I thought he started off with a brain full of mush! His delusions simply got worse over time.
He’s even making Trump sound perfectly rational in comparison. No mean feat.
@@robsengahay5614 We're gonna build a city on Mars! It'll be a beautiful city! And the Martians are gonna pay for it!
He might be in his Das Bunker days, rather than merely as far gone as the "pls clap 4 me, UwU" stage.
Imagine it being mandatory for you to attend this presentation and being required to stand there and listen to this long, rambling stream of consciousness........
That they had to stand there! And how long did they have to stand while they had to wait. I did love the lack of applause and noise, and the insertion of crickets lol
Let's just hope they got overtime.
@@krisushi1 Knowing how Elon treats his workers, they probably had to clock out beforehand.
@@PolyesterAvalanche I'd definitely believe that!
I have had bosses like that. One of them had a big long speech reading from her own book and talking about how she would bring everyone together soon after she started, fake crying and all.
The day before she had called my whole apartment and screamed at us for reasons totally unknown to me
We have simplified this allot, Starship is basically glorified fireworks now every 3 to 4 months or so, which is actually way more profound than it sounds.
We're 80 to 90% certain we can get orders of magnitude more fireworks by the middle of next year
@@Syulang-nt4kj Yes the probability is quasi infinite.
@@salland12 Multiplanetary genius!
Sorry CSS, you just don't get it. To get 1 million colonists to Mars - sorry, planet X - Elon is secretly developing new technology to induce a state of suspended animation in humans. This "talk" was in fact the first field test, and a total success. Preliminary data shows that animation was indeed suspended among the audience with almost 100% effectiveness.
"At this point I think I know more about talking people into suspended animation than anyone currently alive on Earth." - Elon Musk
@@Syulang-nt4kj And he'd be right...
Nah I bet Musk just figures he'd bring a hundred or so people to mars and let them breed it up to a million... ignoring all the logistics of raising children of course. Assuming a woman can have a baby in zero gravity, I don't believe it's ever been tested for obvious reasons. I believe some animals/insects tested thus far on the space station have proven unable to work though.
So even if you got a million people to mars, I am not entirely sure they could replace their population without earth colonist being constantly fed to the place.
I feel very confident......that next year......we will deliver even more promises.
😂
So true ...
Imagine being one of Musk employees who are said to be overworked and underappreciated, being forced to listening to him after their shifts putting that huge workload on them, while blowing smoke up their ass about preserving consciousness. The only thing that's going through their heads is "I hope he's paying us to be here.".
So, consciousness needs to be blunted regularly with cannabis? Judging by how Mr. Musk lives his own life…
The thing missing is the shot of security making sure they don't abscond....and then finding out they are doing it for the "love of it".
And you know he isn't. You're there because you love him and are in love with the idea of working for him 20 hours/day with no vacation time and only Sundays off.
I honestly can't listen to Musk anymore without instantly getting 2nd hand embarrassment.
I thought I was going to die with cringe at the Jeb Bush clip. I knew it was coming and it still makes me shiver. Then Musk opened his mouth and made Jeb look like a master of ceremonies and stand-up comedian.
I recently saw clips of Joe Rogan interviewing Katt Williams. They both see themselves as enlightened folks and they both expressed their belief that Elon is a genius. It's hilarious. 😄
Making a lot of money doing something relatively easy tends to scramble people's minds. If you pay someone like Rogan a 100 million to talk out of his ass all day, he obviously starts to believe his own in his own importance
All of these airheads drawing thousands to millions of followers. The really depressing thing is the stupidity of those followers.
@@spiritualanarchist8162 Unlike propagandists like Ben Shapiro or Tim Pool whose career was built on financing from right-wing billionaires, Rogan earns millions thanks to building an audience in the first place, and his delusional belief in his own wisdom & importance is based more on feedback from that audience rather than the money. But that's a wast audience of barely educated, irrational young men with weird complexes, dumb bros just like Rogan (except for the age).
It's cringe-worthy.
@user-lk7cv8vg7r 😆
The 'overwhelming' enthusiasm of the crowd seems like they were forced to attend.
Yes and since US is a free country Elon cannot force the to cheer. That's one difference I have noticed between Elon an Kim Jong Un.
I hope there was at least pizza + pastries for everyone there.
It's sure bet they're SpaceX employees, forced to attend a stupid presentation full of bullsh!7e at 7am on a Saturday because it needed to be recorded and put online, and you know they're not getting overtime pay for this. I wouldn't feel like clapping either. Especially as it's also a sure thing many in the crowd listening to him thinking 'that's not how that works', 'that ain't happening', 'christ he doesn't understand anything about what we're doing here'
I'm missing my weekend for this BS that we know will never happen?
@lyricsdomatter
I never really like those kinds of speeches at my work either. I always just wanted to get back to working so that we could get the goals accomplished. The speech was just a waste of time to me even if I was paid for the time.
The reaction is so poor probably because he's speaking to employees who know what's going on and what they're doing. I'm sure there's plenty of very capable and very real engineers working for SpaceX who also know the StarShip isn't going anywhere but they don't care because they're getting paid to do it.
They realize they won't be paid for too much longer...
If they were so smart that would be clapping like mad!
Might keep the train on the tracks for another 6 months. ;)
At some point in the not too distant future being associated with this train wreck is going to harm your career prospects. Sensible ones are weighing up when to jump ship and do something useful with their time.
Maybe that's why Musk unveiled the larger starship and upgraded raptor concepts?
Alleviating SpaceX workers disillusionment for the failure to reach orbit?
Indeed. He seems to speak as if there was a crowd of fanboys or journalists instead of people with some competenec in the matter.
Years ago, I learned of the term "death march" as a description of a project that the employees know will end in failure but the project goes on and on and on.
It is quite amazing the difference in the crowd reactions between Musk talking to people who know what he is talking about and his fans.
Who doesn’t love their boss talk about WW3 and nuclear war.
People like him are causing it, just like they caused the unrest before the previous two world wars.
When hyperloop closes down, he can then sell the tubes to the wealthy for bunkers and end of world shelters from the panicked hordes.
A good scam requires an element of time pressure, to make sure the mark does not consider a more cautious path of action. This WW3 talk fills this role. If someone raises the point that we should first try to build an autonomous city here on earth, Muskrats can object we need to do it _now_ , that we _need_ Elon because he's the only one with the proper sense of urgency.
@@leparfumdugrosboss4216 And you know what is even more funny? We DO have an experience of building fully enclosed autonomous living spaces here on earth, even underwater. It never ended well for participants (psychologically) however.
As Ludacris as the million person mars colony is, I think it's more realistic than humanity managing to make earth less hospitable than mars. We would pretty much have to blow up the earth to do that.
No competent person would seek out employment on starship when the goals are set so high to obviously fail. This is a crowd of engineers uneasy about their career choices.
Yeah... The technical challenges are unique, but the boss is crazy. Designing a mega rocket to go to Mars is a once in a lifetime opportunity, but the idea of a Mars colony is so dumb... They must spend their days immersed in challenging technical stuff and this speech brings them back to a reality that they'd rather ignore, I guess...
@@mmmikeyyyThe morale at that place must be abysmal. "Head down, do the job, and don't think about the fact the boss is nuts, and you're working on a lunatic's unachievable fever dream."
@@mmmikeyyy You don't need a mega rocket to go to Mars, probes and rovers have already been sent.
@@mmmikeyyybut the technical challenges are UNNECESSARY they're unnecessary risks and that's like rule number 1 with space flight. They want to be UNIQUE like u said, and COOLER than everyone else. And they can do that cuz it ain't their money!! Nasa wasn't fcking around when we went to the moon. It wasn't a joke or a game. It wasn't cool. Winning isn't fun or cool. After you've won is what's fun and cool
I agree, but let me take it a bit further: no competent person would seek out an employment for Elon Musk.
The audience realizes starship is a failure. It used all its fuel barely making it to space without an ounce of payload. Put anything in that empty silo and it won’t even get close.
Great point. The really funny thing about that is that SpaceX is currently claiming on their website that Starship has a payload capacity of 100-150 metric tons in resusable form and up to 250 metric tons in expandable form.
Only payload was LOX swirling around in cargo
@@MikeDCWeldIts 250 now lol? Watch, in 5 years, it will be 350 lol
@@MikeDCWeld if they ever try to load 100 tonnes I doubt it would make it to 50,000 ft
Lol. They couldn't even approach orbit.
Musk says that Starship 3 will cost less than Falcon 1 per launch, and then calls that "profound".
This proves what I've been suspecting, which is that he has no idea what "profound" means.
I mean, profound is being used in the correct way, as simply means 'great or intense'.
Or maybe he's just adding a quantitative statement and fumbling the pronunciation. "It'll be less than a Falcon 1 per launch....*per pound*cough*."
Man, I feel for those employees. It's close to the end of the day. You're thinking about what you're gonna have for dinner. Maybe actually help your kid with their homework for once. Then your manager comes around "Musk wants us all to go outside and watch a presentation, grab your coat."
Yeah, I'd be about as enthusiastic as the attendees too.
@qweqwe9678 And also just how easy it is to fabricate a paper trail to also make sure you don't qualify for unemployment when they do fire you also has a chilling effect.
That event is a literal hostage situation. I'm not joking. People risk their financial income and security if they do not attend, and worse if they attend and laugh.
So pretty much the same as most businesses.
@@duncanidaho9153 well yeah. Musk is a lot more trigger happy with the firing people for whatever-button.
Millions of people are hostage by proxy without even realising it. How many pensions have money in Tesla? At least part of the valuation is driven by the Musk brand - even if you argue he's suppressing the success of his companies, the current valuation, still, has no basis in reality and would tank if he left.
so, it's the capitalist version of one of Stalin's meetings? Show up and be enthusiastic or you'll be erased
Absolutely.
Wow CSS always has pleasant surprises. I was going to bed after a boring day. Then this.
This is what I awoke to on a lazy Sunday. Simply brilliant! Haven't laughed so much in a long time.
@trucksanddirt1506
Real.
You're surprised a UA-cam channel put out a video? Life must be a daily challenge.
@@robovac3557 Yes, life is a daily challenge for those without brains, not capable of understanding simple sentences.
I cannot wait for the headlines to confirm the bankruptcy of his personal wealth!
@@sytonicflux Thunder still has a bit over 4 years for his prediction lol.
Plenty of time.
@@commonsenseskeptic Lots of people have gone bankrupt trying to time the market.
musk will deploy a string of conspiracy fantasies to explain his failure.
@@commonsenseskeptic Yup he better sell off his stock and put it into trusts while he still can
Viking, Pathfinder, Spirit, Opportunity, Phoenix, Curiosity, InSight, Perseverance....Canaveral is already the gateway to Mars!
These SpaceX employees went to school to be engineers and ended up employed as actors in Elon’s theatre troop. A fact that is slowly crushing their souls with every lie they hear and understand will require their artificial applause and smiles to sell to the public at large.
And I had so many things to do today.....ah well then. Take me home, Skeptic Road, To the place, Where I BELOOOONG! All wrapped in truth, Intact Common Seeense, Skeptic Rooooad, TAKE ME HOME!!
One of the few channels I truly enjoy.
I'll let that pass over me in WV🛸
Any chance to highlight the absolute Musk absurdity generated from the billionaire art project is a worthwhile endeavor. Thanks CSS. We truly are in a dark age right now.
Cascading Style Sheets?
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@@commonsenseskeptic *GASP*
@@commonsenseskeptic OH
Elon should be the first one to go to Mars. After all, that is his home planet
The first thing he'll do is to change the name of the planet to X. Secondly, he'll still be working out how to get off the darn thing that miraculously got him there! I totally agree, he should be the first signed up to go, no excuses accepted.
Musk will manage to devalue Mars too, just you wait!
As had been long since pointed out, the only billionaire who does not trust to fly on his own rockets...
He is already there. Mentally.
I know nothing from SpaceX will ever operate in deep space, but if it were possible...
Could he take that Zuckerberg creature with him as well, please?
'Nurse, he's out of bed again!'
He chewed threw the straps again.
It's easier to live on a space station than to live on Mars.
Well I think its pretty cool that Musk had the genius foresight to use the audience in front of him as a facsimile for the Mars colonists in the form of a bunch of people standing around bored to death with no chairs.
And be required to listen to his sermons
I feel for those poor employees. I've sat through so many "town hall" meetings where execs patted themselves on the back and made big promises that were never going to come true. A lot of polite clapping because we basically had to support the CEOs empty vision.
Several of my colleagues, me included do not attend "Town hall" meetings anymore, too painful and boring, and in addition, lately they have began to insult the male audience
I haven't seen footage but apparently the anti-union employee meetings where they CEO-'splain to the working folk at Tesla have some wild rhetoric & lies too.
"Empty vision" what part of UA-cam am I on? The one that ignores EV revolution, Falcon 9 becoming pretty much the by-default launch vehicle of the western world while also being the only crew-capable one, and Starship flying better every rapidly repeated test?
These people are in the weeds of it. That's why there's no reaction. Next-level futuristic tech is everyday for them ... The reaction is quite different for non-internal presentations
@@madmax404 I'm not sure what you think is "Next-level futuristic tech is." It's not reusable rockets. There were developed in the 1980s. It's not EVs, several companies have been developing those. Musk just like the sports car thing.
Musk is not an innovator. The successes are due to those who work under him despite his leadership. Neuralink is still 20 years behind other companies. Space X has people dedicated to placating him and keeping him away from scientists and engineers doing the real work. He insisted on changes to Tesla cars that put them out of the reach of most consumers. The "autopilot" feature was common in luxury cars and even many mid-cost consumer cars, but are not included on the long-awaited Cybertruck. The Chybertruck's "Space-X developed" stainless steel is actually a purchase from an OEM and the "unbreakable" windows were demonstrated with an alleged "baseball" that bounced like a tennis ball. Solar City, now Tesla Solar, failed to deliver on promises and, true to form, asked customers to pay more than their initial pre-payment.
Why the cheers from external presentations? Because they are attended by adoring Musk fans that cannot think critically and accept as Gospel whatever Musk tells them. Their religion forbids them to never say anything negative about Musk and mandates the lurk in chat room defending him. They dismiss or explain away his lies and will shout down anyone who says something contrary to the fiction coming out of his Mouth.
Musk is a nepo-baby who has failed upward. He his a snake-oil salesman who has claimed credit for the work of others because he has never had a successful idea of his own. What he is is a marketer who can successfully dupe the gullible and bribe the greedy.
@@doncarlodivargas5497 I hate to break it to you carl. But uh, males have just finally joined the long sat on seats of groups being insulted and targeted by the bigwigs in society!
Next to women, black people etc.
Yea its... Nothing new. Get used to it.
To be fair, it's simply false of elon to claim that starship can carry any payload to orbit, since it can't put itself into orbit!!
@@subvindNope, saw it fail to get to orbital velocity.
@@subvind IFT 3 didn't carry any payload and it missed orbital velocity by 1k to 2k km/h
Those onboard cameras, recording the failure, were really, really, really heavy.
Every prominent Muskrat who makes UA-cam videos assures us that SpaceX could have put the thing in a stable LEO if it served their purposes for the test. Even some people I wouldn’t quite call Muskrats.
@@markiangooley Even if it could...this thing didnt went that much further then second one. Not to mention that cargo bay was also not good, and "innovative" heat shield plates worked worse then ones on shuttle...at least they survived a couple of re-entries before bringing craft down.
This wasnt a presentation, it was the come down from a ketamine trip
It’s like the crowd is thinking “oh, more promises that will never come true from the CEO, and he’ll demand we all work in ‘goblin’ mode for him to not even come close to hitting the mark again. All so he can repeat the same ideas on stage that popped into his head so he can hear himself sound smart……..I hate my job”.
If we can do all of this on Mars today, then why don't we fix the house we grew up in?
That requires real mass transit and less zombie consumerism, hard to sell cars that way.
Yep... His idea of establishing a colony on Mars makes me think of analogous projects one could contemplate closer to home, like a colony in the Arctic, or below the surface of an ocean. That would be several orders of magnitude easier than a colony on Mars, but people would consider such projects doomed to fail because they can easily imagine the difficulties they entail by extrapolating from their personal experiences, of the bitter cold of harsh winters for example. Taking this idea to another planet breaks that connection with our lived experience and allows us to imagine a Hollywood version where the difficulties magically disappear. That also brings to mind the Biosphere 2 project that attempted to create an extraterrestrial environment in the Arizona desert in the 90's. It failed miserably. I'd like to see Musk have a go at a similar project as a proof of concept for a Martian colony before attempting the real thing...
@@rannyacernese6627
What is "Zombie Consumerism"?
He wants to create an Earth II, with all the inherent and wasteful problems of this one, only he’d be king and would be able to ban people from being gay etc.
@@rannyacernese6627 It requires less capitalism. Don't buy into the corporate propaganda that tries to blame their profit driven destruction on the people who're forced to live in this system.
Every time he says “Next Year” take a shot.
GAME OVER
YOU ARE DEAD
I had already downed my drink near the start and wasn't about to miss anything to grab another. Although, I will toast the most wonderful guys at CSS with a Chivas Regal after going through the comments.
Yeah, let's get wasted! 😂
I did and I'm wasted... sorry can you repeat I didn't catch it..hello, why you call me?
Or when he says, "I'm fairly confident."
This channel is the only place I can bear to hear that man speak at all. Thanks!
Thunderf00t is pretty good
If Elon was serious about making it to Mars, he would be conducting the research necessary to grow trees and crops in infertile soil - by, of course, making it fertile.
That tells me everything I need to know about Musk.
This presentation also lends credence to another of your observations; the black smoke in the engine exhaust. That lack of efficiency in the burn and mixture may account for the less than advertised thrust rating. Something that simplifying the engine probably won’t fix
"consciousness is a rare and precious thing"... Musk should try it
@user-lk7cv8vg7r Absolutely would bet money he's referred to himself as a "psychonaut" at some point, in total earnestness.
years on css is still nailing it. thank you for your hard work.
The lack of oxygen on Mars is heavily compensated by over abundance of radiation.
Without nuclear propulsion, it would mean an incredible long flight time, and a high chance that many of the people out will die.
But hey, if you are lucky the perchlorates will kill you before the radiation becomes a issue.
@@hypercomms2001 6 months with chemical propulsion is feasible and not incredibly long
@@JMartJr Why would the perchlorate kill you? People will be wearing EVA suits and living in pressurised environments. Exposure will be very low.
@@jonathanclarke5878 Prove it!
ugh, I get nightmare visions of archaeologists finding evidence of cannibalism in the ruins of one of his domes a few hundred years from now
Not to mention murder, rape and al lsorts of horrors.
Event Horizon was a 1997 space horror film that is truly disturbing. Thanks to Elon it might become an interplanetary reality TV show.
Just 1 day later
Musk was so looking forward to his vision completion that he ...... fired 10-20% of his work force and tesla directors left some of whom were with the company since its inception😂😂😂
So much for the future
"While civilization is still strong..."
It's... almost like... these billionaires DO realize they're treating the economy EXACTLY LIKE THEY DID prior to the Great Depression and are expecting an imminent collapse.
Much worse. They expect Armageddon, not a Great Depression.
@@Daneelroexpect it? It’s the outcome they are consciously trying to make happen. Destroying the world is the plan since they are all super villains.
IMO economics by itself isn't a high risk factor - global warming / food security & autocrats/war
He probably meant till "white civilization " is strong cuz he is a racist shit who thinks a black doctor isn't qualified to work on him
@@duncanidaho9153 Indeed. And these crackpot billionaires who prepare to rule their post-apocalyptic kingdoms hasten those. Say, launching thousands of giant rockets with methane fuel (instead of hydrogen, burning which only produces water vapour) is a great way to accelerate global warming.
Yes, it makes grim watching. He has wasted so much money, so much talent, so many careers blighted by him and that is just his employees, which isn't even taking into account the folks at NASA who will live and die by their legacy, Artemis. His captive audience's combined body language was weird, it is as if to a man, they decided the best emotion is no emotion. Classic upload from CSS.
@user-lk7cv8vg7r Really? What are you going to be when you grow up, muskv2?
The engineers aren't clapping because they know their leader is delusional. It's like listening to your boss saying he wants a completely new software system by next week, fully tested and debugged.
Would probably be whispering among themselves, "This guy's our boss? This company is doomed with this moron on top."
I've been there but not anywhere near to this degree. I'm currently sitting on an impossible dead line but it doesn't cost billions of tax payer dollars, and risks hundreds of lives. I pity these people having to indulge Musk's b.s under threat of being fired for not laughing or clapping.
Plus under budget, plus we’re doing it all again the next week
Amazing that there's people who listen to him speak without thinking "he's batshit crazy".
It's becoming apparent to more people that the Emperor may be wearing no clothes.
Musk rats will claim he's wearing some ultra transparent hightech Material.
Be careful though. Pointing out the stupidity might result in them accusing you of being a woke mind virus
My guess is that Monday morning a lot of SpaceX employees will be fired for not responding to Musk enthusiastically.
My guess is that emails have most likely already been sent.
Agreed
It reminds me of when Stalin walks into an auditorium. Nobody has the nerve to be the first to stop applauding.
It might lead to the same (or much harder) problems as when Musk fired a lot of Twitter employees.
I really don't think they'll care
... are there any bets about Elmo recycling the Starship speech a third time? "... we need something to get excited about!" and so forth.
Elmo? Big birds friend?
@@teckz0ryeah. What's Elmo in this?
@@troy3456789one of Elon's nickname given by the internet, like Space Karen.
@@Yautah I thought Elon's nickname was Ponzi scammer of the centuries.
We all know he is going to jail at some point for a fraud like thing.
Or maybe killing people with that guillotine of a "cybertruck"
And Starship looks like Oscar's trash can?
19:35 I wish more people would cover this topic. The constant comparisons with the discovery of the Americas is absolutely ridiculous. Yes, it was a long journey with many dangers. Those are the ONLY comparable aspect. But the destination had an atmosphere. It had food. It had building materials. It had life forms.
It's not just Musk. There are a lot of people who think a Mars colony is not only possible with current tech or very near current tech, but inevitable. They are completely wrong. There is basically no chance of anything other than a short term small numbers mission to Mars in the foreseeable future. We can put a few scientists on Mars for 18 months, but not an entire colony, let alone a self sufficient one.
And this stuttering id1ot thanks he can put a million people on Mars in a self sufficient colony, in 20 years (that he can then rule over as a libertarian fascist, if his Twitter history is any indication).
The last time someone tried that with me, I pointed out I live in the Arctic. If, on a January night when it's -40 C and -60 C with windchill, one of my home's windows just suddenly fell out, I could throw on a t-shirt, pyjama bottoms, socks, and a sweater, grab a some garbage bags and a roll of duct tape, and within a few minutes have the opening reasonably well sealed so that I could deal with it in the morning. It will get chilly, but easily dealt with. I'm not worried about my air running out, I'm not worried about freezing to death, I'm not worried about being blown outside (and if I were, worst case scenario is that I'm cold in the time it take me to get to the door and back inside). In the morning I can call up some people to see if we can get the window replaced. If not, it's a quick trip to pick up some plywood and insulation. Sheet of plywood on the outside (where the only protection I'd need is a parka, boots, and gloves), go inside, fill up the opening with insulation, plastic again to seal against drafts, and I'm done until the window can be replaced.
On Mars...not so much.
Having had to probably deal with the "enthusiasm" longer than you*, I agree there are far to many people who think most if not all the "problems" are solved already, (I mean the Starship test flights "should" at least cause the fans to pause and wonder about that assumption :) ) and we could go "tomorrow if only the will was there". I have to point out that while there ARE people diligently working on solving the problems we already know about, (let alone the ones we don't) they are fewer and further between than far to many people assume. Having been with several organizations over the decades who were actually more focused on those "piddily little details we can figure out later" I can assure them that is not the case. The main issue is all those "piddly little details" are the ones that are boring and don't produce pretty pictures or snappy articles to wow the masses. Probably worse is that most of those same folks could not actually survive or operate on the early American frontier let alone Mars or the Moon having far to rosy of a "picture" of what a "frontier" actually means.
*Not meaning to be insulting or anything but I've been doing this since the early 70s in all sorts of media :)
@@randycampbell6307 I was a boy in the 70s, so yeah you have me beat. But even as a boy, all the happy talk about moon bases seemed to me to be obvious malarkey.
We have a very large number of people in the US (and around the world) who do not really interface with reality in their work. While I personally do not like the racist term "tech bros," it is certainly a lot of these people who believe we're gonna go to mars soon. They work on computers all day. Where technology moves fast and most things are possible.
This same mindset is always telling me that lithium batteries are going to get magically "better" and cheaper because time passed. So I do the obvious thing and ask them, "So, I guess lead acid batteries, having been in production and development for over a 100 years must be free and store orders of magnitude more energy than they did 100 years ago?" They then slink away or change the subject. If chips follow Moore's Law, everything must follow Moore's law.
@@tarstarkusz "I was a boy in the 70s, so yeah you have me beat."
Oh don't make me feel old or anything :P
(More seriously I was a teen at the time so not THAT old, really :) )
"But even as a boy, all the happy talk about moon bases seemed to me to be obvious malarkey."
This was a point at the time where the "folks" I was hanging around with were (as I noted) actually looking at the details needed to do what was being proposed. It helped that many of the organizers were people who not only had experience with "homesteading" on Earth, but were forward looking enough to find means and methods to apply them so another world.
Not easy or cheap by any stretch but much like "some" of the current crop able and willing to look into what was needed not only once you stepped off that "ship" on a new world but what was actually required to get there and how to support it all.
But like I said, that's 'boring" and once the initial excitement went away and the "progress" seemed to slow down, most people moved on to more active groups. (Even if those groups weren't doing much more than keeping the energy flowin)
Today's generations DO expect technology to move fast and can't stand "slow and steady" progress. They want it now and frankly for the most part they get "it" now. This is vastly different and I find that any message about "slow and steady" taking the race is soon drowned out by hopeful and often incorrect assumptions about how "progress" should be.
Musk is essentially telling them they CAN have it all now and no one, (current channel being one of the exceptions :) ) is pushing back because he appears so successful and "right" even though he's more often not. They want to believe, can't say I don't understand them but I DO blame them because if you can't accept the job might be harder and more of a process than you thought then that's on you, not on reality.
I have to admit I forget to use many of the very good and well thought out arguments that appear on channels such as CSS and Thunderf00t but that is no me and not on them.
Supporting 100,000 people is difficult enough here on Earth. Imaging the logistic nightmare for preparing for an influx of 100,000 on Mars every 2 years.
Who is going to make preparations for the first set of 100,000 people?
HLS mission is already dead: Just think about it: to make the starship flight 4 not explode, they had to add so much height that the payload to LEO orbit is cut by half. And each new flight "success" will need more and more additions with new height added (payload dispensor and services, more propelent to get back to starbase for soft landing and mechazilla catch, better heat protection etc.) The payload capacity will get lower and lower, it is already lower than SLS and falcon heavy. AND remember how many launches the refullilng for HLS mission were planned, multiply them at least by 2 because starship payload capacity is cut at least by half.... and you understand that HLS mission is already dead !
"on the moon there's no mecazilla, so we need landing legs"
Aaaah! Unlike on Mars, i see 🤔
Right?
They're going to send it to Mars before it somehow so it could assemble itself on Mars somehow, duh 😂
No they will have a virtual tower on Mars NEXT YEAR.
Yet another great episode of CSS. NASA, if you’re watching, pay attention!
Rocket Jesus: [endless spiel on Mars vision, making man interplanetary, doing it before World War III, blah blah blah]
NASA: "Well, all that is nice, Mr. Musk, but we contracted you three years ago to design and build a lunar lander for Artemis. Where is it?"
he's hoping some genius engineer would fall into his lap and fix the issues for him before the end. Unfortunately, there's no reality bender to take the credit from
I am no rocket scientist but I imagine there is a 'just build it bigger' trap that you could find yourself spiraling into. Also I love that they're already planning with starship 3 to deliver on double of the thing they can't even currently deliver on.
When a tech-bro lectures scientists.
The title is Rocket Jesus
A physics graduate explaining how space works to aerospace engineers is priceless.
Rocket Jesus isn't even that.
He has a BA in Physics (allegedly); so not even a BS, so like he didn’t even take calculus based physics or like calculus at all. I just don’t even know anymore. 🫥
Musk doesn't have a degree in physics. That's a lie.
He barely graduated in economics.
@@gabrielgarcia7554That's a lie. He never studied nor graduated in physics.
He has zero physics degrees.
He attended a school for less than a semester and dropped out.
He's not an engineer
Fantastic stream! Plus Mr Boyle dropped by as a bonus!
What a great Sunday morning, thanks CSS.
I’m surprised Elon Musk didn’t say he was powering his starship with dilithium crystals.
Don't be silly!
Everyone knows that space travel uses ZPMs.
(Zero-point modules from Stargate.)
Unobtainium
They don't clap because they are working for spaceX and know the real state of the project.
Please cover StarShip Test 4. People need to see how badly this launch vehicle copes with atmospheric reentry and how many thousands of pieces of debris it spewed into LEO. There are serious issues with structural integrity, ranging from many random pieces of debris of unknown origin falling from the vehicle to the near destruction of the landing struts due to poor thermal shielding.
A regulatory body needs to step in because StarShip is nothing short of an environmental nightmare. It is just as well that the FAA have put a hard cap of 5 launches per year on it.
The crowd looks like most Spacex employees. What we’re seeing here is an insanely bad pep talk. They’re not clapping because they’re the ones that are going to try to do whatever he’s claiming.
I was just watching an old thunderf00t video about Musk... TF seems to be completely predictive about Musk.
He has been absolutely devastating in picking him apart. On each and every con.
TF has always been on the money, but his awkward and mocking delivery and low budget videos didn’t do him any favours.
If you want to beat the tech bros and the neo fascists, you have to beat them at their own game, with concise presentations, use of their own words, and undeniable rebuttals.
He was the first one that shed light to me just how much BS Musk really was. Before he brought it up, I didn't really knew much about Musk and all his (failed) ventures.
thats just the unintended result of speaking actual facts.
@qweqwe9678 exactly this. The mocking way he talks doesn’t help.
Revolutionary idea to have an outdoor staff meeting and have your employees stand while you ramble. That'll keep em on their toes.
3:15: Speaking of Falcon, it's currently grounded, so good job there, SpaceX.
At that "Somebody would nuke the Moon" part I facepalmed so hard I allmost gave myself a fucking concussion.
When will they realize that Musk is just a 12 year old rich kid in a 52 year old body and still hang up on 80s low budget sci-fi movies.
Great job with the video. Musk did an excellent job explaining why SLS and Blue Origin will get us to the moon and SLS is a far superior vehicle to Starship.
All I wanted for my birthday was a demumbled Musk…and crickets. Thank you, CSS. ❤
Happy Birthday!
The smack of desperation is palpable. "I tricked them once with this flight of fantasy and I definitely need some more of that government money. Lemme do it again!"
Forget all that debunking stuff, Elon is a genius who knows the chemical formulas for BOTH methane AND water!
When NASA designs a rocket, they START by figuring out everything that will absolutely Need to fit inside it for its final mission objectives. And that volume defines the sizing of everything else. Musk starts with a capricious CGI assumption about the size of the exterior… and then finds out later that it’s not nearly big enough to cram in what is needed to make it work.
Thank you for all the effort you go into with these videos. Concise, in depth, matter-of-fact, yet still entertaining. It must take hours to research, script, film, and edit these videos, but every minute is worth it.
I'm certain Starship production and reliability will mirror the CyberTruck's
Expect that to be the case. Absolutely.
I don't think it'll rust in space maybe on Mars due to those perchlorate.
@@Fred-gu6pk It won't rust because there's little water on Mars and most of it is vapour, not liquid.
Although the steel will surely be oxydized.
@@commonsenseskeptic We would like a takedown on the cybertruck please!
@durshurrikun150 was thinking perchlorate reacting with iron, I expect you would need some water to act as solute but the oxygen comes from the perchlorate so if there is any moisture able to condense as dew on dust covered metal. I suppose the way to find out is ask what the NASA rovers were made of and if they were painted
He sounded super nervous he's realizing his scams are about to end.
He always sounds to me when he has an audience like this that like he cannot believe he is getting away with the constant bullshit. To his acolytes he can literally say anything and they cheer which emboldens him.
Telsa stock does seem to be on a slow decline...
Tha scam-bag is empty.
@ThisFinalHandle - it's still a couple of spectacular inventions Elon Musk can have ready until next year, for example a time machine, and a warp drive, I will not be surprised if he tell us he will have it ready next year
More likely, the way of "escape forward" is ending.
"Two ships connecting and doing a fluid transfer". He really is juvenile.
I was like: "Was that a joke?"
Musk shouldn't do comedy. His jokes sucks the light out of the Sun.
At this point SpaceX employees must hate him. His interference and firing anybody offering feedback is the problem here
The people I knew who worked there and who worked closely with him really didn't like him I understand.
My heart goes out o the poor Space-X employees that had to stand there and listen to this. I'm promising this- you need to make it happen.
Not fanboys/girls, just collecting a check and hoping this gig keeps going for a while more.
Those are our tax dollars paying those pay checks, not a penny of Elon’s money.
Sorry I feel nothing. They are part of this exercise ripping off investors and taxpayers.
@@kirishima638 Doesn't take away from the point that they have a job and want to keep it for as long as they can. They have families and house repayments/rent and a grifting wacko as a boss.
Not my taxes BTW.
@@hoyks1 it’s a small number of talented engineers who could easily find employment elsewhere.
And I have to question the integrity of anyone who would work for this man.
Every year this farce goes on, more public money that could be use for actual practical purposes, is wasted.
No sympathy for them, they're enablers.
He probably said "You are encouraged to attend" to employees (translated: "You will attend.") and the only thing to eat was overpriced sweet rolls and burnt coffee. The speech was very bizzare and cultish.
Remember, these are the people he demands unpaid overtime from.
I love the idea that the audience had to pay for their food. Talk about adding insult to injury.
There were definitely no pies from The Giving Pies bakery.
When he goes about 'preserving consciousness' is the most cultish part. It's hair-raising scary actually. The kind of thing you'd hear from a megalomaniac who wouldn't hesitate to sacrifice lives to meet his goals.
You can bet the speech was given during the employees' unpaid lunch time.
Sleep seems to be out of the question so i will be watching. 👍🏼
Why hasn't SpaceX built a full-size mock-up of the Mars Starship? You only need to look over his shoulder to see redundant ships that could be used. Fit out the interiors using plywood and fibreglass, use Styrofoam blocks to simulate the food and water requirements for each passenger, get 100 muskrats to come and sit in it, then invite journalists to come on board to see the spacious living conditions for themselves.
But that would cost money and require actual thought be put into stuff, which Musk does not want
The audience isn’t cheering because they are the ones who will be pressured to DO all the ridiculous things that Musk is claiming will get done. He is basically laying out for them all the failures they will be fired for.
I bet so many people got fired for not praising him like a messiah and clapping hard enough to shake starship to pieces.
They've just announced 10% layoffs for Tesla employees. Probably the 10% that didn't suck his balls during the Semi reveal.
21:33 Mar's water did not get buried. It was (mostly) blown off the planet by charged particles emitted by the sun. It has no magnetosphere. The lack of a magnetosphere allowed the solar wind to blow away both the atmosphere and a great deal of the water. While there is probably some water left, it's not sitting on the surface frozen.
@user-lk7cv8vg7r I didn't say there wasn't. There is a lot of water on Mars, but it's not at the surface. The water that was on the surface was mostly lost in the same way the atmosphere was mostly lost.
@@tarstarkusz There is still a substantial quantity of ice at the surface at the poles (several million km3), more at mid latitudes within a metre of the surface, and similar qualities at somewhat greater depths at lower latitudes.
@@jonathanclarke5878 I didn't say there wasn't a lot of water. It's just not at the surface. Where did you read/hear Mars has millions of cubic km of water ice within a meter of the surface? I've not heard any such thing, but that doesn't mean it's not true. Also, from what I've read, the ice at the poles is dry ice, not water ice.
@@tarstarkusz The polar caps have two components, the permanent and the seasonal. The permanent caps are water ice up to 2 km thick. The seasonal cap comes and goes and consists of both water and CO2 frost and snow.
The idea that that caps were only CO2 lasted only from about 1969 to 1971, proposed after the Mariner 6/7 missions and shown incorrect by Mariner 9.
Composition comes from IR spectroscopy and temperature dependent behaviour, thickness from orbital radar. Distribution in the shallow subsurface from orbital neutron spectroscopy.
We also have ground level data from Phoenix and Viking 2.
The presence of both CO2 and water ice leads to some interesting seasonal effects on the landscape at high latitudes
I can't help but picture Musk seated on the floor behind a desk, wearing a replica WW2 helmet and repeatedly smashing two plastic army men together. All the while he'll be making slightly stuttered explosion sounds to give everything that extra little bit of realism.
Like Captain Stillman from Stripes? Yep, can see that :)
Exactly! Oh, look, I do believe it's time for a bit of X baby roleplay on the site formerly and currently known as Twitter aka Free Speech HQ 👶
Fun fact, Tim Dodd is 17.6% of the clapping volume in al;l the previous videos.
Even allowing for the fact that the audience were his employees, wasn't this just another sales pitch?
I presume he had spotters in the crowd to identify the less enthusiastic members of the audience and they'll be summarily dealt with.
What a refreshingly honest breakdown of this century's answer to PT Barnum.