0:00 Beginning 0:10 Introduction from the Publisher 2:33 First Conversation 27:26 Second Conversation 30:49 Quote from First Conversation "The Orthodox Spirit is the True One" is published in greek by the Holy Convent of the Transfiguration of the Saviour, Melesi, Greece. The Elder entrusted all his material to this convent, which he helped establish, before his repose in 1991. 📖 Full text of "The Orthodox Spirit is the True One" www.oodegr.com/english/oikoumenismos/porphyrios_orthodox_spirit.htm 🎧 Original recording of the conversations included in this podcast: ua-cam.com/video/QkhE7Vs-zQw/v-deo.htmlsi=WRrr4o81EOY5T-kO
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Believe what the Orthodox Bible says about Christ, Heaven and Hell ☦️ The Truth is in Orthodox Christian understanding because God The Holy Spirit is Truthful and all other demonic deceptions are lies.🕊🔥 Thank God for Orthodox Christian heroes of our faith who don't lie in order to appease demonic deceptions in pluralistic philosophers. By The Grace of God the devil is defeated by our God and Savior Jesus Christ ☦️
He has a plan for the non Orthodox. He will show once more that the Orthodox Church is His Church. There will be many converts. Many Muslims and Jews will find Christ. As for the Hindus, apostle Thomas, being the apostle of India, whom himself had to “see” and “touch” Christ, Christ will reveal Himself to them in a same type of manner.
Church Easton's Bible Dictionary - Church Church [N] [S] Derived probably from the Greek kuriakon (i.e., "the Lord's house"), which was used by ancient authors for the place of worship. In the New Testament it is the translation of the Greek word ecclesia, which is synonymous with the Hebrew kahal of the Old Testament, both words meaning simply an assembly, the character of which can only be known from the connection in which the word is found. There is no clear instance of its being used for a place of meeting or of worship, although in post-apostolic times it early received this meaning. Nor is this word ever used to denote the inhabitants of a country united in the same profession, as when we say the "Church of England," the "Church of Scotland," etc. We find the word ecclesia used in the following senses in the New Testament: • It is translated "assembly" in the ordinary classical sense ( Acts 19:32 Acts 19:39 Acts 19:41 ). • It denotes the whole body of the redeemed, all those whom the Father has given to Christ, the invisible catholic church ( Ephesians 5:23 Ephesians 5:25 Ephesians 5:27 Ephesians 5:29 ; Hebrews 12:23 ). • A few Christians associated together in observing the ordinances of the gospel are an ecclesia ( Romans 16:5 ; Colossians 4:15 ). • All the Christians in a particular city, whether they assembled together in one place or in several places for religious worship, were an ecclesia. Thus all the disciples in Antioch, forming several congregations, were one church ( Acts 13:1 ); so also we read of the "church of God at Corinth" ( 1 Corinthians 1:2 ), "the church at Jerusalem" ( Acts 8:1 ), "the church of Ephesus" ( Revelation 2:1 ), etc. • The whole body of professing Christians throughout the world ( 1 Corinthians 15:9 ; Galatians 1:13 ; Matthew 16:18 ) are the church of Christ. The church visible "consists of all those throughout the world that profess the true religion, together with their children." It is called "visible" because its members are known and its assemblies are public. Here there is a mixture of "wheat and chaff," of saints and sinners. "God has commanded his people to organize themselves into distinct visible ecclesiastical communities, with constitutions, laws, and officers, badges, ordinances, and discipline, for the great purpose of giving visibility to his kingdom, of making known the gospel of that kingdom, and of gathering in all its elect subjects. Each one of these distinct organized communities which is faithful to the great King is an integral part of the visible church, and all together constitute the catholic or universal visible church." A credible profession of the true religion constitutes a person a member of this church. This is "the kingdom of heaven," whose character and progress are set forth in the parables recorded in Matthew 13 . The children of all who thus profess the true religion are members of the visible church along with their parents. Children are included in every covenant God ever made with man. They go along with their parents ( Genesis 9:9-17 ; 12:1-3 ; 17:7 ; Exodus 20:5 ; Deuteronomy 29:10-13 ). Peter, on the day of Pentecost, at the beginning of the New Testament dispensation, announces the same great principle. "The promise [just as to Abraham and his seed the promises were made] is unto you, and to your children" ( Acts 2:38 Acts 2:39 ). The children of believing parents are "holy", i.e., are "saints", a title which designates the members of the Christian church ( 1 Corinthians 7:14 ). (See BAPTISM .) The church invisible "consists of the whole number of the elect that have been, are, or shall be gathered into one under Christ, the head thereof." This is a pure society, the church in which Christ dwells. It is the body of Christ. it is called "invisible" because the greater part of those who constitute it are already in heaven or are yet unborn, and also because its members still on earth cannot certainly be distinguished. The qualifications of membership in it are internal and are hidden. It is unseen except by Him who "searches the heart." "The Lord knoweth them that are his" ( 2 Timothy 2:19 ). The church to which the attributes, prerogatives, and promises appertaining to Christ's kingdom belong, is a spiritual body consisting of all true believers, i.e., the church invisible. • Its unity. God has ever had only one church on earth. We sometimes speak of the Old Testament Church and of the New Testament church, but they are one and the same. The Old Testament church was not to be changed but enlarged ( Isaiah 49:13-23 ; 60:1-14 ). When the Jews are at length restored, they will not enter a new church, but will be grafted again into "their own olive tree" ( Romans 11:18-24 ; Compare Ephesians 2:11-22 ). The apostles did not set up a new organization. Under their ministry disciples were "added" to the "church" already existing ( Acts 2:47 ). • Its universality. It is the "catholic" church; not confined to any particular country or outward organization, but comprehending all believers throughout the whole world. • Its perpetuity. It will continue through all ages to the end of the world. It can never be destroyed. It is an "everlasting kindgdom."
If anyone do vainly teach that Jesus the "Incarnate Word, is fully divine and fully human, in one 'nature' (physis), or to assert that Christ had distinct human and divine persons, or that the the Holy Spirit proceeds eternally from the Father and the Son, not as from two principles but as from one single principle, let them be anathema.
Sound teachings concerning pagan religions, problematic when it concerns Christian denominations. Take Britain, for example. After 1533 A.D. there were two churches in England, neither recognizing the salvific grace of the other, and both denied by the Orthodox. Does that mean no english could be saved? Then we make Christ a liar (Mk. 16:16 "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved"). Note that most souls born on that island in the subsequent centuries would not have known about Orthodoxy, much less seek salvation on Mt. Athos.
You wrote three whole paragraphs without having listened to what the elder says right at the very beginning about those who proffess a different faith or have accepted heresies. Listen again, my friend, all your questions are answered. We do not claim to know Gods mind. Who God saves and does not save is His perogative alone, we can only say what the scripture has revealed to us and what the Holy Spirit has taught through the Apostles "The Orthodox Church is the Truth" Outside if that it's not for us to say. Could a man survive a flood by clinging to a piece of rotten driftwood? Maybe, if God is greatly merciful to him.....Would a man be saved from that flood if he entered the Ark God built? Yes. The Church is the Ark in that analogy and the driftwood those outside.
@@L0wen There is another video on this channel where he calls the Catholic Church, "filth" or something to that effect. Check it out if you want. 😄😄😄😄😄
@@L0wen Or maybe he was referring to the greek ecumenical patriarch who met Bergoglio, the reigning pope. Anyway this sort of thing is not my cup of tea, knock yourself out. 😄😄😄😄😄
Unfortunately, this is the picture that today's Holy Mountain presents. It strives - with crutches the various pseudo-saints such as Paisios and Porphyrios - to keep the faithful in communion with the heresy, and at the same time accusing and persecuting the Zealot fathers, in order to please its master, Bartholomew the Latin-oriented... (Magazine "Agios Agathangelos Esphigmenite" 2004 Issue 212)
Your strawmans are hardly compelling. God has shown forth in many saints that not breaking communion with a bishop yet to be condemned does not deprive one from the grace of God and does not negate one’s confession of faith. Canon 15 doesn’t require one to break communion, it protects the non-commemorator from ecclesiastical punishment and also does not support setting up parallel jurisdictions and some old calendarists have done. The stance of our recent Saints, including St. Joseph the Hesychast and his disciples, has shown itself to be blessed and bears fruit.
Your logic is to be a non commemorator in perpetuity until there is an ecumenical council (not local council) condemning the bishop. When is this council supposed to happen? I am genuinely curious how long fighters from within plan to be walled off and claim true Orthodox are "schismatic" for organizing into a synod. Didn't ROCOR do that exact thing by organizing into a synod? Can you post the canon against "setting up of parallel jurisdictions"?
@jonathanbritt6418 the prophesied Council will come. Your questions were undoubtedly asked with St. Maximus died. The twenty years between his death and the 6th Council was surely a great challenge to the faith of his supporters. But God brought about the Council and defeated the heresy in the proper way. We also should have faith. The prophesied war is probably on the precipice and the prophesied Council will come soon after. The saddest thing about those who flee and set up parallel jurisdictions is that it doesn’t actually help heal the wounds. Fighting from within offers much more to the Church than breaking communion altogether.
@@OrthodoxWisdom I don't think it's sad to leave communion with heretical bodies, I am an Orthodox Christian and fleeing heresy is not something to denigrate me for, it's a brave thing to do. Please tell me your thoughts on the below quotes: "We pray that God will grant peace to his small flock, and that small differences of opinion will not destroy the unity of all who should be fighting against the real apostasy of our times-that represented by the frightful "Eighth Ecumenical Council," which seems to be drawing closer. In a way, we welcome this robber-council, for it will perhaps be so obviously anti-Orthodox that some will see it and withdraw from that ruinous path. That is another reason for the True Orthodox Christians to be not fanatical but moderate, holding a path of true Orthodoxy and not sectarianism in the face of such temptations."- Hieromonk Seraphim (Rose) of Platina † "Once N. Pavlovich asked the Elder, "Is it possible to hope for the unification of the churches?" He replied, "No! Only an Ecumenical Council could do that, but there will be no more councils. There have been seven councils, like the seven sacraments and the seven gifts of the Holy Spirit. For our age, the number of fullness is the number seven. Eight is the number of the future age. Only separate people will be united to our Church." Elder Nektary of Optina
@@OrthodoxWisdom A couple more quotes for you: “This is the spirit of redemption, rejection of the spirit of Christ and merging with this world, lying in evil, which poured out in Russia in the very first years of Bolshevism into the movement of the so-called "living churchmen" and "renovationists," then immediately spread to other Orthodox local churches, under the leadership of the Ecumenical Patriarchs of Constantinople, who set themselves the task of convening the Eighth Ecumenical Council with the aim of reforming the Orthodox Church.”- Archbishop Averky So basically every spiritual giant that came before us is telling us to run as fast as we can from the 8th council, and the fighters from within look forward to it with open arms? Sounds like they are prey to Antichrist's church to me.
0:00 Beginning
0:10 Introduction from the Publisher
2:33 First Conversation
27:26 Second Conversation
30:49 Quote from First Conversation
"The Orthodox Spirit is the True One" is published in greek by the Holy Convent of the Transfiguration of the Saviour, Melesi, Greece. The Elder entrusted all his material to this convent, which he helped establish, before his repose in 1991.
📖 Full text of "The Orthodox Spirit is the True One"
www.oodegr.com/english/oikoumenismos/porphyrios_orthodox_spirit.htm
🎧 Original recording of the conversations included in this podcast:
ua-cam.com/video/QkhE7Vs-zQw/v-deo.htmlsi=WRrr4o81EOY5T-kO
Brother you have a donation link or patreon ? You can't comprehend how much you helped me by reading the wisdom of elders and saints and prayers and all you do .
I don’t have a Patreon but if you’d like to support my work you can send money on Venmo to @Timothy-Honeycutt-8
Thank you! I’m grateful these recordings have helped you.
Believe what the Orthodox Bible says about Christ, Heaven and Hell ☦️ The Truth is in Orthodox Christian understanding because God The Holy Spirit is Truthful and all other demonic deceptions are lies.🕊🔥 Thank God for Orthodox Christian heroes of our faith who don't lie in order to appease demonic deceptions in pluralistic philosophers. By The Grace of God the devil is defeated by our God and Savior Jesus Christ ☦️
Hell isn't even in the Bible outside of English translations. Hell is used as a translation of either Hades or Gehenna.
I hope God has a plan for the non Orthodox. I hope many pepole get saved
He has a plan for the non Orthodox. He will show once more that the Orthodox Church is His Church. There will be many converts. Many Muslims and Jews will find Christ. As for the Hindus, apostle Thomas, being the apostle of India, whom himself had to “see” and “touch” Christ, Christ will reveal Himself to them in a same type of manner.
@@TraianCovers pray for my husband's conversion. I have converted but he is still very proud Hindu.
@@noshame5791 Lovely guy. I hope he never becomes an Orthodox as it's inferior to Hinduism
☦️So Good! Can’t wait for more.☦️
Timely selection given what the Heretic Pope has been saying recently
I love this Saint so much. Thank you ❤
The Word of God is The Truth and His Church and oral tradition handed down by her apostles, saints and fathers is the Way and the Life.
Church
Easton's Bible Dictionary - Church
Church [N] [S]
Derived probably from the Greek kuriakon (i.e., "the Lord's house"), which was used by ancient authors for the place of worship.
In the New Testament it is the translation of the Greek word ecclesia, which is synonymous with the Hebrew kahal of the Old Testament, both words meaning simply an assembly, the character of which can only be known from the connection in which the word is found. There is no clear instance of its being used for a place of meeting or of worship, although in post-apostolic times it early received this meaning. Nor is this word ever used to denote the inhabitants of a country united in the same profession, as when we say the "Church of England," the "Church of Scotland," etc.
We find the word ecclesia used in the following senses in the New Testament:
• It is translated "assembly" in the ordinary classical sense ( Acts 19:32 Acts 19:39 Acts 19:41 ).
• It denotes the whole body of the redeemed, all those whom the Father has given to Christ, the invisible catholic church ( Ephesians 5:23 Ephesians 5:25 Ephesians 5:27 Ephesians 5:29 ; Hebrews 12:23 ).
• A few Christians associated together in observing the ordinances of the gospel are an ecclesia ( Romans 16:5 ; Colossians 4:15 ).
• All the Christians in a particular city, whether they assembled together in one place or in several places for religious worship, were an ecclesia. Thus all the disciples in Antioch, forming several congregations, were one church ( Acts 13:1 ); so also we read of the "church of God at Corinth" ( 1 Corinthians 1:2 ), "the church at Jerusalem" ( Acts 8:1 ), "the church of Ephesus" ( Revelation 2:1 ), etc.
• The whole body of professing Christians throughout the world ( 1 Corinthians 15:9 ; Galatians 1:13 ; Matthew 16:18 ) are the church of Christ.
The church visible "consists of all those throughout the world that profess the true religion, together with their children." It is called "visible" because its members are known and its assemblies are public. Here there is a mixture of "wheat and chaff," of saints and sinners. "God has commanded his people to organize themselves into distinct visible ecclesiastical communities, with constitutions, laws, and officers, badges, ordinances, and discipline, for the great purpose of giving visibility to his kingdom, of making known the gospel of that kingdom, and of gathering in all its elect subjects. Each one of these distinct organized communities which is faithful to the great King is an integral part of the visible church, and all together constitute the catholic or universal visible church." A credible profession of the true religion constitutes a person a member of this church. This is "the kingdom of heaven," whose character and progress are set forth in the parables recorded in Matthew 13 .
The children of all who thus profess the true religion are members of the visible church along with their parents. Children are included in every covenant God ever made with man. They go along with their parents ( Genesis 9:9-17 ; 12:1-3 ; 17:7 ; Exodus 20:5 ; Deuteronomy 29:10-13 ). Peter, on the day of Pentecost, at the beginning of the New Testament dispensation, announces the same great principle. "The promise [just as to Abraham and his seed the promises were made] is unto you, and to your children" ( Acts 2:38 Acts 2:39 ). The children of believing parents are "holy", i.e., are "saints", a title which designates the members of the Christian church ( 1 Corinthians 7:14 ). (See BAPTISM .)
The church invisible "consists of the whole number of the elect that have been, are, or shall be gathered into one under Christ, the head thereof." This is a pure society, the church in which Christ dwells. It is the body of Christ. it is called "invisible" because the greater part of those who constitute it are already in heaven or are yet unborn, and also because its members still on earth cannot certainly be distinguished. The qualifications of membership in it are internal and are hidden. It is unseen except by Him who "searches the heart." "The Lord knoweth them that are his" ( 2 Timothy 2:19 ).
The church to which the attributes, prerogatives, and promises appertaining to Christ's kingdom belong, is a spiritual body consisting of all true believers, i.e., the church invisible.
• Its unity. God has ever had only one church on earth. We sometimes speak of the Old Testament Church and of the New Testament church, but they are one and the same. The Old Testament church was not to be changed but enlarged ( Isaiah 49:13-23 ; 60:1-14 ). When the Jews are at length restored, they will not enter a new church, but will be grafted again into "their own olive tree" ( Romans 11:18-24 ; Compare Ephesians 2:11-22 ). The apostles did not set up a new organization. Under their ministry disciples were "added" to the "church" already existing ( Acts 2:47 ).
• Its universality. It is the "catholic" church; not confined to any particular country or outward organization, but comprehending all believers throughout the whole world.
• Its perpetuity. It will continue through all ages to the end of the world. It can never be destroyed. It is an "everlasting kindgdom."
7:50 if only Pope Francis and his followers would heed the elders words here. This is so timely for what has been coming from the Papacy lately.
If anyone do vainly teach that Jesus the "Incarnate Word, is fully divine and fully human, in one 'nature' (physis), or to assert that Christ had distinct human and divine persons, or that the the Holy Spirit proceeds eternally from the Father and the Son, not as from two principles but as from one single principle, let them be anathema.
AMEN
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Sound teachings concerning pagan religions, problematic when it concerns Christian denominations.
Take Britain, for example. After 1533 A.D. there were two churches in England, neither recognizing the salvific grace of the other, and both denied by the Orthodox. Does that mean no english could be saved? Then we make Christ a liar (Mk. 16:16 "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved").
Note that most souls born on that island in the subsequent centuries would not have known about Orthodoxy, much less seek salvation on Mt. Athos.
You wrote three whole paragraphs without having listened to what the elder says right at the very beginning about those who proffess a different faith or have accepted heresies. Listen again, my friend, all your questions are answered.
We do not claim to know Gods mind. Who God saves and does not save is His perogative alone, we can only say what the scripture has revealed to us and what the Holy Spirit has taught through the Apostles "The Orthodox Church is the Truth"
Outside if that it's not for us to say. Could a man survive a flood by clinging to a piece of rotten driftwood? Maybe, if God is greatly merciful to him.....Would a man be saved from that flood if he entered the Ark God built? Yes. The Church is the Ark in that analogy and the driftwood those outside.
@@L0wen There is another video on this channel where he calls the Catholic Church, "filth" or something to that effect.
Check it out if you want. 😄😄😄😄😄
@@L0wen Or maybe he was referring to the greek ecumenical patriarch who met Bergoglio, the reigning pope. Anyway this sort of thing is not my cup of tea, knock yourself out. 😄😄😄😄😄
Unfortunately, this is the picture that today's Holy Mountain presents. It strives - with crutches the various pseudo-saints such as Paisios and Porphyrios - to keep the faithful in communion with the heresy, and at the same time accusing and persecuting the Zealot fathers, in order to please its master, Bartholomew the Latin-oriented...
(Magazine "Agios Agathangelos Esphigmenite" 2004 Issue 212)
Your strawmans are hardly compelling. God has shown forth in many saints that not breaking communion with a bishop yet to be condemned does not deprive one from the grace of God and does not negate one’s confession of faith. Canon 15 doesn’t require one to break communion, it protects the non-commemorator from ecclesiastical punishment and also does not support setting up parallel jurisdictions and some old calendarists have done. The stance of our recent Saints, including St. Joseph the Hesychast and his disciples, has shown itself to be blessed and bears fruit.
Your logic is to be a non commemorator in perpetuity until there is an ecumenical council (not local council) condemning the bishop. When is this council supposed to happen? I am genuinely curious how long fighters from within plan to be walled off and claim true Orthodox are "schismatic" for organizing into a synod. Didn't ROCOR do that exact thing by organizing into a synod? Can you post the canon against "setting up of parallel jurisdictions"?
@jonathanbritt6418 the prophesied Council will come. Your questions were undoubtedly asked with St. Maximus died. The twenty years between his death and the 6th Council was surely a great challenge to the faith of his supporters. But God brought about the Council and defeated the heresy in the proper way. We also should have faith. The prophesied war is probably on the precipice and the prophesied Council will come soon after. The saddest thing about those who flee and set up parallel jurisdictions is that it doesn’t actually help heal the wounds. Fighting from within offers much more to the Church than breaking communion altogether.
@@OrthodoxWisdom I don't think it's sad to leave communion with heretical bodies, I am an Orthodox Christian and fleeing heresy is not something to denigrate me for, it's a brave thing to do. Please tell me your thoughts on the below quotes:
"We pray that God will grant peace to his small flock, and that small differences of opinion will not destroy the unity of all who should be fighting against the real apostasy of our times-that represented by the frightful "Eighth Ecumenical Council," which seems to be drawing closer. In a way, we welcome this robber-council, for it will perhaps be so obviously anti-Orthodox that some will see it and withdraw from that ruinous path. That is another reason for the True Orthodox Christians to be not fanatical but moderate, holding a path of true
Orthodoxy and not sectarianism in the face of such temptations."- Hieromonk Seraphim (Rose) of Platina †
"Once N. Pavlovich asked the Elder, "Is it possible to hope for the unification of the churches?" He replied, "No! Only an Ecumenical Council could do that, but there will be no more councils. There have been seven councils, like the seven sacraments and the seven gifts of the Holy Spirit. For our age, the number of fullness is the number seven. Eight is the number of the future age. Only separate people will be united to our Church."
Elder Nektary of Optina
@@OrthodoxWisdom A couple more quotes for you:
“This is the spirit of redemption, rejection of the spirit of Christ and merging with this world, lying in evil, which poured out in Russia in the very first years of Bolshevism into the movement of the so-called "living churchmen" and "renovationists," then immediately spread to other Orthodox local churches, under the leadership of the Ecumenical Patriarchs of Constantinople, who set themselves the task of convening the Eighth Ecumenical Council with the aim of reforming the Orthodox Church.”- Archbishop Averky
So basically every spiritual giant that came before us is telling us to run as fast as we can from the 8th council, and the fighters from within look forward to it with open arms? Sounds like they are prey to Antichrist's church to me.