I received my 2 Aiyima A07 Max amps a few days ago and hooked them up as mono blocks. I'm using an iFi Zen DAC as a preamp. They're driving a Delcoid sat/sub system that's a bit over 40 yrs old. The sub is a 12". I was worried about these amps driving it. Previously, I was running this setup with a QSC GX5 amp that's 500wpc. I'm not disappointed. The A07Max's drive this sub very well. Bass output is what I've come to expect from this sub. Very nicely controlled too...not boomy or muddy. I use no tonal controls and I don't need them. Mids are beautiful and the high end is crystal clear with no harshness. Thx for the review and recommendation of the Aiyima's !
I'm an audiophile noob. Today I received my A07 Max, WiiM mini, and a pair of fantastic Neumi BS5 speakers. All from Amazon and spent $278 total. Had a blast hooking it all up and listened for 3 hours. So fun and sounds so good...I've got a new hobby thanks to you! Really appreciate the info!
I tried a couple of different powered speaker setups for my bedroom but found them entirely unsatisfactory. None could be played at the volume level I wanted, so I went to UA-cam looking for a channel that could guide me to something decent that I could afford. I ended up here. After watching quite few of your videos, I decided to let this one be my guide and I ordered two A07s, an A3 preamp and a pair of SSCS5s. The amps and preamp came right away but because I bought the speakers through a weird outlet, they were delayed. I couldn't wait for them so when I discovered that Neumi BS5s could be had next day for $110.00, I ordered a set of those to use in my bedroom until the Sonys arrived. I figured I could buy another amp and put them in the living room so I also ordered an A08 for there. Now, everything is here and I have to say thanks to you because your recommendations were spot on. Both sets of speakers sound very good, especially the Sony's and the A08 with the Neumis have plenty of power to fill my living room with sound. I am a very happy man. I have not had a system that sounded this good for at least 20 years and all my music sounds stunning now. I got so excited I ordered a T8 to pair with the A08, and hopefully, I am done. Thanks again. The last time I heard Gentle Giant sound this good was the last time I saw them live in 1979.
+1 for the WiiM source pick. I must have tried eight or ten sources over the years going back to Raspberry Pi 2, 3, 3+hat, 4 and then probably another five or six USB DACs. The WiiM Pro was finally what I was expecting then added a Pro Plus. My application is ceiling speakers around the house more for ambient than hifi but respectable. My amps auto-power and with the Yamaha NSIW280CWH3P speakers in the ceiling have been praised for best bathroom experience..... I like the info in this video on adding an outboard DAC to flex. The WiiM ability to sync multiple sources is another feature in its favor. This the first of your videos I've seen - very nice.
I was lucky enough to get the Fosi Audio ZA3 48 v before they sold out on Amazon. I bought some Elac UB-5 's last April For $269 and had them paired with a SMSL DA9, Topping E50 w/ IFI power supply And an Echo link. So when I switched The SMSL to the Fosi I noticed a lot bigger soundstage and a lot more clarity in my Elac UB5. I was heaaring Instruments and sounds behind me . I didn't realize they were coming from my speakers at first. The Elacs are so clear and the soundstage is huge. . Kind of amazing the difference changing that one component. I am running the E50 as a pre amp and using the remote . The Da9 is now replaceing my Ayima AO7 that runs my Phonograph and now that sounds great now . Love your channel . Thanks . I got the $88 Sonys Sscs5 in 2021 thanks for your tips . Those are in my bedroom with a topping pa3 and a wiim mini. Not sure if I will buy another ZA3 to run mono blocks , Probably wait till they are more available .
Great job - would enjoy seeing this for $1000, for $1500, and (oh no!) $2000. Would make a great series and you could update as new gear comes out. I implemented the Wiim setup for a whole-house (Living/Family/Dining) solution (on your advice) and it's working great. Have an old Pioneer Elite in the Living Rm that sounds great; powered soundbar/Wiim Mini in Family Rm, and another mini in Dining Rm. Now need to figure out the best way to get out to the Deck outside and into the basement - maybe the newest Wiim with built-in amp...
Great info for those starting out or looking for a small second system. I already have the Sony SSCS5s and it is a great speaker for the price. If you have them less than 3 feet from you, the sound is pretty full, but further away and the bass drops off fast. So it can use a sub. I am probably going to get the Fosi ZA3, but not sure if I am going to need a streamer. I usually listen to higher quality audio from fixed sources. Finally, kudos to Randy for going back to stuff we can afford! All the expensive scrap was making me perturbed as it doesn't do me any good if I can't afford it.
@@TokoTsuki I want to try the Fosi ZA3. I currently have the Aiyima 08 Pro, which is good, but doesn't have the upgradeable op amps. I am also still auditioning speakers. So far the Klipsch RP-600m's are in the forefront, but the mid-range dip on that speaker definitely has to be corrected. The Sony's are more lively in that midrange area, but lack bass. I want to try some vintage speakers as well such as Advents and the B&O CX-100's.
The Wiim amp/streamer seems an obvious choice on any shortlist - it also has Sub out facility plus multiroom and plenty apps/codecs. whilst with speakers it goes over $500, its still a good deal and bypasses the first upgrades stages. Add sub later.
Great video and information. This is exactly the sort of information I was looking for. How would a turn table plug in here? From my limited understanding, the set up described is single channel for a lack of better phrases with the WIIM being your media source. So in essence, you're connections are WIIM ---> DAC --> AMP--> Speakers. At what point of connection / how would you tie in a phono pre amp without disassembling your DAC and WIIM?
Thanks for all your help! I decided to go with the Elac Unifi 52’s powered by a ZA3 from SMSL Su-1 with music from tidal on my Wiim Pro! sounds amazing to me!
Thanks for these…as a total newb that’s been watching for a while I’d love to finally jump in but have no idea how to connect these things to each other for the best result. Specifically….If I got the wiim pro, the smls and the fosi….how do you connect them and control them?
I got the SMSL SU-1 and Topping L30II going into Hifiman He400SE. I returned the DAC and amp after 2 days. My ears could perceive NO improvement in audio over the 'crappy' DAC built into my PC. The good news is, I determined that I cant even differentiate between 128 kbps audio and lossless audio, so I am DONE searching for 'higher end' audio equipment.
Time and time again you’re simply right. Been a music head for about 35 years and it took me about 20 years to realize the waste of money (for personal use) some spend. I understand hobby’s all too well, but damn, so many people are just clueless when they come into some money and waste so much on pink elephants that simply don’t deliver a justifiable difference. Good job 👏
Just started out in audio separates again after a 20+ year hiatus. Thanks to your recommendations I managed to bag a Wiim Mini, Topping DX3 pro, Fosi Audio ZA3 and a pair of Q Acoustic 3030i’s for less than £700. The Topping doubles as my headphone amp for a do it all system. I’m shocked at what you can get for your money nowadays and can’t wait to start adding op amps and maybe another Fosi ZA3 in the future. Cheers Randy I’m now hooked 👍
I got something similar last year. A Topping DX3 Pro+ and an Aiyima A07. I've just ordered some Sparkos discreet opamps to put in the Aiyima. I'm still using my old Sony DX50 speakers from an old system I bought in 2000 (140w 6 ohm 3 way speakers). I also put a powered subwoofer in the mix too.
Excellent video, and thx for the information. I have a question, and yeah, a beginner alert is incoming. So, I just got the Klipsch RP-600M II for a sweet deal !! But now I am unsure what amplifier and source to buy and would like to hear if what you recommend still can be used for it. I would only use this in my office for now or at least until we move next year and hopefully to something bigger. 😅
Currently listening music on Odroid N2 with Volumio, SMSL SU1 and Aiyima a07 max on Polk S60e speakers. Sounds amazing! Better than on my Denon X4500H receiver. Also Aiyima a07 pro with Polk S20e on my PC with Soundblaster Zx sound card. Sound also amazing. The soundblaster might be even better than the SMSL su1
OMG I’m going to study this video AND all the comments before I build out my home audio system with any other component! I’m demanding about sound as a musician but unfortunately, my wallet simply looks at me & laughs its head off🤦🏼♀️🙄 This concept; however, will help me achieve both the sound quality I want & at a price my wallet appreciates!!😎🙌🏼💜
So I'm really intrigued by the ZA3, but hesitant to pull the trigger. I've toyed with several other of the Class D's over the past 18 months, and I've been wanting to get into a monoblock setup. My hesitancy now is that the ZA3 is not really bridged, and doesn't really leverage the full power. Pardon my lack of technical depth, but I think it basically just "shuts off" the left channel, rather than bridging the amp? I'm wondering if the next iteration takes the next step to leverage the full power of the amp? I know it's fine for most of my speakers (mainly running Klipsch RP600M IIs) but I have some vintage speakers that really like power (Dahlquist DQ-10 among them) that I would love to hear sing in this setup. Any insight if Fosi may be iterating to leverage both channels' power in mono mode? Love the variable sub out on each as well...that was holding me back on others :-)
Hey Randy, my speakers will have to be fairly near to the wall in the space I have available. Which speakers between the Sonys and the Elacs will be best closer to a wall? Love your videos and content.
Hi Randy, there is a hidden gem for a nice upgrade in the Aiyima line: the Aiyima T2 preamp with tubes and tone controls including medium frecuencies and, as a plus, it has two outputs (for your monoblocks ;) ) and can roll op-amps (2) too for around $80 US dollars!!
Maybe it's unit variations or related to what I look out for in my music, but the wiim mini streamers dac and optical out never worked out that well for me.
When paired with the right receiver or amp, the Sony is an absolutely brilliant speaker. I've done AB comparisons with it against speakers at 10x the price and it holds its own nicely (and actually outperforms some).
Hi! Awesome videos! Two qqs: 1) 1:1 comparison, would you pick the A07 Max or the Fosi ZA3? 2) What would you recommend to buy so as to be able to connect a tv? I want to connect a tv, a turntable (and prob a wiim :)
Just got into higher quality audio last year thanks to channels like you and a few others. Right now I have a s.m.s.l. su-1 with some super cheap headphone amp, with my pc as my source. This year I already pre-ordered the za3 with the 48v power supply. I plan on getting the geshelli jnog2-socketed, the schiit jotunheim with the phone stage, and the Aperion Novus Open Box speakers. for a system around 2k
Dear sir I live right across the water from Palm Beach Island... So the goodwill right up the road from my house always has stuff when rich old men die... So the stereo equipment is often older but super high end I got my bookshelf, speakers and subwoofer for $18 all in and it's the second best system I've ever owned... I actually did go down and buy a new amp because there's were so ancient. I couldn't hook any of my new stuff to it but man oh man that I got a good deal on those speakers
I bought the fosi audio bt20 pro for my computer. Is there a dac to help with sound. I happy with it now, but like everyone else we are always looking for that next step.
There is a dac hdmi converter for your tv that could possibly be a game changer for a bedroom system???? They cost about $20 and convert hdmi signal to rca so can go from the arc hdmi spot so can control volume with the tv remote. I wonder what it would be like to go from that to the za3 would be like, that would be an even cheaper system bypassing the wiim mini and using spotify on the tv. Not as nice streaming from TV instead of control from the phone unless you have Google cast, BUT provides volume control which alot of people would appreciate over having 2 separate remotes and allows for MUCH more equipment choice for amps without remotes. As blasphemous as it might be to say this here, but using that even with a set of computer speakers would be a massive step up to TV speakers for friends or family that don't care as much as we might. Having a little subwoofer can make a massive difference in sound
I am not a tech person, but I own ZA3s... And after research, when used as monoblocks, I understand the power is not doubled. However, I believe the amps having their own power supplies is a bonus.
how about some powered monitors and your existing phone? iphone users have the bonus of a good in the lightning-to-headphone jack dongle, according to comparison tests, in case you wanted to go wired. you can even get lightning-to-ethernet, or usb-c for android users, in case you're in an area or house with unstable wifi. steamers can be any device with an o/s installed. people who live in anechoic chambers need not apply. they may notice a difference
So if im running the A07 max in mono and I want to upgrade the op amps like a sparkos ss3602 would i only need to purchase 2 chips? One for each of the left signals since mono is only using one channel in each amp?
Arguably, the RSL iA255.1 is a better amplifier with far more options. Tone controls, sub out, high pass filter, Bluetooth, USB in/DAC, 7amp power supply. It can't be overlooked for an entry-level all-in-one solution.
I'm looking for one (two actually) of these cheap class D amps that doesn't have volume control. I'd like to get an Arylic B50 because it has HDMI ARC, and then run the L and R outputs each to a cheap amp but be able to control the volume via the TV ARC functionality. Anyone know of a cheap class D that doesn't have volume control or allows HT Bypass functionality? Thanks.
Wiim mini has a cruddy DAC but good optical outs. I went with a Slash3 instead and when combined with a GanFet usb charger is hard to beat for the money. I would bet LDAC Slash3 sounds better than Wiim mini. A review idea for you. I agree the Wiim mini combined with an SU1 might be a golden combo
@cheapaudioman, I loved this video, it's a fresh reminder about what I like about your analysis. I know you don't recommend the Fluance XL8S anymore, but they have nice, not perfect, midrange detail and are very pleasant (I did get them on your recommendation btw). $179, I've seen them as low are $148 recently. I don't own the Neumis (BS5 or Silk) but seem like they're good too. I own and love the Sonys, another great CAM recommendation. Also the Elac UniFi UB5s as my mains. Thanks! 🙃
Moved to a small apartment and needed a small budget system. Been considering these small Class-D amps, and put together with either a Wiim Mini, or a DAC plus a Google Chromecast Audio via optical input. I'd never the less be constrined to small speakers, and went with the Micca RB42, based on reviews of the above wightsize bass performance. In the end, an end of year sale fopr the Arcam SA10 at $375 including tax prompted me to get that. I guess the attrraction of tradional Class A/B and the inclusion of a toroidal transpormer, built in ESS9016K2M Sabre DAC and a remote drew me to the Arcam. For sure, larger and more effficient speakers would be a better match to the Arcam. The result is decent across the board. 70's rock can be a bit harsh at times, but jazz is impressive, with a nice focused and sperated soundtage, that sometimes goes wider than the speakers, and always gives that nice behind the speakers placement. The Micca's do, with certain music, not dissapear and sound boxy. Surprising given their diminitive size, but going to play with placement and toe angle to see if that can be improved. Given I hade the Chromecast (casting Tida) already, my cost was was about $560, plus speaker cable. In the end, for me at least, if a tradiitonal amp is on some super sale, I'm leaning that way. Still may get a Fosi, just to compare.
I think at this level, I would keep the source and amplification as cheap as possible and push the extra cash towards the speakers. One level up and the speakers will cease to be the bottleneck these ultra budget options are.
IIRC, I paid $88 for the pair I have. They are fine if you don't attempt to drive them to absurd SPLs. Especially for that price. That being said, I replaced them with a re-woofered pair of Infinity Reference 2001 bookshelf speakers. My Fosi TB10D drives either set as loud as I care to listen to.
That is actually a great idea. I could change it to a home shopping style. There’s only 27 pair left. Call now before they’re gone. Something like that. Shoot me an email and we can discuss ideas. Brilliant. My affiliate revenue would go through the roof.
My hate comment wasn't directed at the home shopping comment as it was at one person who was repeatedly posting negative comments.Hpme shopping could be fun😅
The ELAC Uni-Fi UB5 is priced at $199 on Amazon, and the Q Acoustics 3020 was available for $149. These represent superior options for budget-friendly speakers, with warmer and cooler tonalities. I'm not sure Sony SSCS5 ($199) and ELAC BS41 ($149)
Uni 5’s OG’s need a ton of current. Don’t know if these amps couple drive them proper. Q acoustic was a swing and a miss for me. Thanks for the heads up on those.
I don't really know for sure if my Ub5 speakers are getting enough power with the 48v GaN Fosi V3, but it does seem to be fine so far. The amp gets a little warm if they are blasting for a while but I haven't had it cut out or sound bad. Bass is a little more subdued than expected, not sure if that is because of power, break in, or if i expected too much, but the sub picks it up nicely. The woofers have great impact. Some reviews said they seemed rolled off in the high end, but they sound great to me, any more treble would be too much. I think I will save up toward a Schiit Vidar for them instead of upgrading opamps mono mode za3s though. If the v3 survives till then, I'll move it to rears or a desk with something easier to run. I would totally recommend the Elac Uni-fi ub5 at 199, though my experience with other speakers and amps is nonexistent.
I appreciate the fact you offered alternatives in the same price range. I am in favor of buying used on a budget, but good to know what new (condition) products are out there instead of just saying "the Sony's are trash". I have scrounged up 5 x Polk T-15s for about $100 (3 used, 2 new) total, and even though Randy pushed them off the table, they still work well for me.
I recently upgraded my speakers from Moukey 3 ways to Fluance Signature 2 ways on sale for about $170 and it is like a whole new stereo. Paired with Aiyima T9 and an Edifier subwoofer and I don't think there's much I'd want to change for a very long time.
Which Fluance signature 2 ways did you get? There are several options being a bookshelf or a surround I believe. Just curious as I’m always looking for good deals on great stereo stuff.
@@baseballlife5884 Bookshelf model. I have a small apartment, they sit about 12 feet apart. For my listening needs I pretty much never even reach half volume on amp.
is there a benefit besides convenience to buy a music streamer like the wiim or going up to a bluesound node vs just plugging my ipad 3.5mm jack to rca splitter into my stereo amp when using something like tidal? i've only done physical media up till now, and dont' really wanna spend a bunch of money if it isn't going to benefit the audio, i don't mind the connected wire too bad. or would a high quality dac be money better spent, or also a waste of money? so confusing! i am using a nad 316bee amp with kef q350's if that helps anything.
@@jeffp0rn i ended up spending money lol. i got a topping dac and a wiim mini streamer. i will say the convenience is great being able to just use my phone to stream to my 2.1 system. but, it didn't really transform my music listening. it might be a little more enjoyable? i didn't compare to be honest. but, it's definitely not night and day or anything. the main benefit would be the convenience...and with a boosted sound quality some...but how much? i don't know. i don't regret the purchase at all if that helps edit: the wiim mini for 90 bucks, def worth the cost. i spent like 350 dollars on the topping e70. that is a little harder to justify. i do like it though. i think smsl has a 80 dollar dac that is supposed to be good, you could use that to hook up the wiim mini and people have nothing but good things to say about that dac. so 160 would get ya a dac and streaming capabilities. you might not even need the dac if you have an input on your amp for it. good luck!
I have had several fosi amps, some of them are awesome and some are very bad. The good ones beat out the other amps I have for sound quality, but the bad ones have an audible hiss. Maybe wouldn't rely on one to not blow up your other components.
Nice Content, i have a Question to the Wiim Mini... why using the SU1 DAC when the Wiim Mini already have a 192khz 24 bit DAC inside ... cant imaging that the SU1 does anything different? Wiim Mini into Fosi V3 should be already work slendid or????
Great video brother! From starter systems, to mid level systems, this video covers it. Could you suggest a headphone amp with dac for folks as well? Thank you so much in advance. Wishing you and yours a healthy, happy, and prosperous New Year!
Lots of recievers out there that can do a center channel but they usually work off a 5.1 digital signal. I think I like the idea of the Syn processing the sound from the analog stereo channels in real time better, its more interesting to me anyway.
@@frankplissken143 I already have the WIIM Pro plus and 2 Fosi ZA3 in mono block mode for two channel bliss. But currently I have nothing driving my center channel speaker. That is why I asked.
Great video. Have you considered reviewing / showcasing older equipment? it's definitely an avenue that would keep in line with the "cheap" aspect of being an audiophile. I have a Wiim Pro feeding the optical input on a Denon AVR-2112CI, which in turn is hooked up to some Cambridge Soundworks M80s. Got the Wiim Pro used for $100, the Denon would cost between $70-100. The M80s are harder to find in good condition, but I've had mine for nearly 2 decades and they sound better than any speaker pair you could get for $700, maybe even $1000. Big 8" woofer, 3.5" midrange, and 3/4" tweeter, double ports in the rear, Mahogany veneer with red stain. I bought some Elac DBR62s and though they are great, the M80s have a much better sound and appearance. Also, I've been looking for a piece of equipment for my desktop computer. Right now I have a T9 Pro, but its pre-out does not change volume with the knob, so it isn't ideal to connect to a subwoofer. Any ideas?
Like other commenters I am really wondering how the Wiim Pro/mini coupled with either of these amps compares in terms of sound quality to the Wiim amp. I hear reviewers talking a lot about the features of the Wiim amp but not really highly rating its sound. That kind of leads me to believe that a solution using these separate components might lead to better sound outcomes, but the Wiim amp offers slightly less good sound in a much more convenient and feature packed product. Any thoughts on this anyone?
Just built my 1st HiFi system. Came in just under $500 minus the iPhone or iPad source via Bluetooth or USB in. Running the AIYIMA A08 pro into the Sony SSCS’5s with a sunfire SDS8 sub w the passive radiator. Got some cheap stands for the Sonys off Amazon and some cheap braided speaker cables. Sounds amazing but definitely looking to upgrade to some cheap small monoblocks , some 6” or larger bookshelves and possibly a lossless digital source, currently running iTunes with most rips @ 320 .
@@theBtotheJ23 yes I got the Monoprice elements speaker stands 24” off Amazon. They aren’t the most solid but I have no complaints they get the job done look nice and the price is right.
Ah yes, I forgot it does have that. I was also thinking of having EQ further down the chain in case you wanted to add other source components like turntable, CD player etc@@traildoggy
@@nlionel9625 there is a 5 band eq that I recall Randy really liking. Schiit Audio maybe? I don't remember for sure but if you look at his other vids I think you'll find it.
@cheapaudioman you gotta try the new Cerwin-Vega LA series speakers. I think they will blow your mind with the price to performance ratio. Pair some with a Fosi V3 and you got an incredible system. Regardless of price too. Just an excellent sounding system.
Unless you hear something in your system, it's difficult to say which is better. I have an Aiyima A07 (under $90) and a Keces E40 ($749 retail). To me the Keces is better, has more features and is better built. But as for SQ, it varies. The biggest difference I hear is on my Focal 807W in which a cheap class D isn't up to par. On Triangle Zetas, the difference is there but both amps sound great on it. So for me, measurements aside, there are performance/system matching issues. While alot of people seem to say the ZA3 is better than the A07, a few stated their A07 is better. It seems there is a bit more upper mids energy from what I read in personal reviews. Spec wise, the ZA3 is a powerhouse in watts seemingly made with quality parts, don't know about amperage output but it exceeds its specs in watts a bit. At the inexpensive price, in this hobby, its little risk. It's small, attractive and while lacking in inputs comparatively, it may be enough and has, I believe a variable sub out (I use RCA outs on the Keces) which is preferred. Would I use the ZA3 over the AXA35? Maybe, probably and one amp may be enough. If you buy 2 of them, and find 2 are overkill, you can still build 2 systems at a still less expensive price. I don't really use the A07 as I have 2 Keces E40s and would jump on a third if the price was right even though it is less watts and will always be more expensive. Been using 1 for over 3 years without issues. Also have a hegel and while better, marginally on my speakers and SPLs I listen to, I kept it in the event I bought something more "high end" that was hard to drive. I did try a higher end speaker and preferred the more budget options and while better in some areas, it wasn't in others. Don't see the need to up the ante and small systems, small speakers do it for me. Would I choose the ZA3 over a Keces E40? While I never compared the two, the little Keces impresses and I don't see needing to swap it out. But I may get one sometime just to give a listen and maybe use in an ancillary system or as a backup. Nice looking little integrated with the orange knob. XLR to boot for use with a dac that has them.
Fair warning I bought a few of the Wiim minis and one of them bricked after about a year. The other two seem to be working fine but I’m hesitant to reccommend them now.
Wiim Pro and dedicated dac sounds better. The only caviat is if you intend to use analog input to digital output of the wiim pro plus, it has a better conversion capable of higher resolution. Or... if you don't want to mess with separates for aesthetic reasons.
I purchased the WiiM amp because of your reviews. I'm so impressed! My main system is a audiolab 9000A/Bowers 705s2/Node 2i and I'm really surprised how good the WiiM sounds with a pair of Totem Sttaf towers. 😮 I use the parametric EQ to get a nice warm balance sound out of the WiiM.
Townhouse LR system: SSCS5 (paid $120), Aiyima T9 (Paid $109), WiiM mini (paid $79). Rolled A9 tubes (Riverstone $23.95). Feed it with AirPlay or Spotify or Prime Audio. Total ~$332 (had cables already) and sounds awesome. Might add the SMSL dac and a small monoprice sub for giggles. Not as good as the home listening room system (KEF, Boston Acoustics, Denon, Rotel) but not much worse and less than 1/5 the price of the speakers alone. What’s not to like? Thanks Randy!
Do you do any simple woodwork? You could build a itty bitty dorm sized rack for all these mini components. Mount a powerstrip on the back, do some nice cable management, put a carry handle on top. Call it the Cheapaudioman super boombox.
I not sure why but speakers in the uk are far more expensive than in us the sony ssc5 are £199 so approx 250 US and the elacs are ridiculously priced here nearly £300. The amps are roughly the same price it just seems to be speakers 🤔
I received my 2 Aiyima A07 Max amps a few days ago and hooked them up as mono blocks. I'm using an iFi Zen DAC as a preamp. They're driving a Delcoid sat/sub system that's a bit over 40 yrs old. The sub is a 12". I was worried about these amps driving it. Previously, I was running this setup with a QSC GX5 amp that's 500wpc. I'm not disappointed. The A07Max's drive this sub very well. Bass output is what I've come to expect from this sub. Very nicely controlled too...not boomy or muddy. I use no tonal controls and I don't need them. Mids are beautiful and the high end is crystal clear with no harshness. Thx for the review and recommendation of the Aiyima's !
I'm an audiophile noob. Today I received my A07 Max, WiiM mini, and a pair of fantastic Neumi BS5 speakers. All from Amazon and spent $278 total. Had a blast hooking it all up and listened for 3 hours. So fun and sounds so good...I've got a new hobby thanks to you! Really appreciate the info!
enjoy the music man and avoid swallowing an audiofoolery pill in dac amps there's not a lot to gain going up the price, speakers are where it's at.
I tried a couple of different powered speaker setups for my bedroom but found them entirely unsatisfactory. None could be played at the volume level I wanted, so I went to UA-cam looking for a channel that could guide me to something decent that I could afford. I ended up here. After watching quite few of your videos, I decided to let this one be my guide and I ordered two A07s, an A3 preamp and a pair of SSCS5s. The amps and preamp came right away but because I bought the speakers through a weird outlet, they were delayed. I couldn't wait for them so when I discovered that Neumi BS5s could be had next day for $110.00, I ordered a set of those to use in my bedroom until the Sonys arrived. I figured I could buy another amp and put them in the living room so I also ordered an A08 for there.
Now, everything is here and I have to say thanks to you because your recommendations were spot on. Both sets of speakers sound very good, especially the Sony's and the A08 with the Neumis have plenty of power to fill my living room with sound. I am a very happy man. I have not had a system that sounded this good for at least 20 years and all my music sounds stunning now. I got so excited I ordered a T8 to pair with the A08, and hopefully, I am done. Thanks again. The last time I heard Gentle Giant sound this good was the last time I saw them live in 1979.
+1 for the WiiM source pick. I must have tried eight or ten sources over the years going back to Raspberry Pi 2, 3, 3+hat, 4 and then probably another five or six USB DACs. The WiiM Pro was finally what I was expecting then added a Pro Plus. My application is ceiling speakers around the house more for ambient than hifi but respectable. My amps auto-power and with the Yamaha NSIW280CWH3P speakers in the ceiling have been praised for best bathroom experience..... I like the info in this video on adding an outboard DAC to flex. The WiiM ability to sync multiple sources is another feature in its favor. This the first of your videos I've seen - very nice.
I was lucky enough to get the Fosi Audio ZA3 48 v before they sold out on Amazon. I bought some Elac UB-5 's last April For $269 and had them paired with a SMSL DA9, Topping E50 w/ IFI power supply And an Echo link. So when I switched The SMSL to the Fosi I noticed a lot bigger soundstage and a lot more clarity in my Elac UB5. I was heaaring Instruments and sounds behind me . I didn't realize they were coming from my speakers at first. The Elacs are so clear and the soundstage is huge. . Kind of amazing the difference changing that one component. I am running the E50 as a pre amp and using the remote .
The Da9 is now replaceing my Ayima AO7 that runs my Phonograph and now that sounds great now .
Love your channel . Thanks . I got the $88 Sonys Sscs5 in 2021 thanks for your tips . Those are in my bedroom with a topping pa3 and a wiim mini.
Not sure if I will buy another ZA3 to run mono blocks , Probably wait till they are more available .
Great job - would enjoy seeing this for $1000, for $1500, and (oh no!) $2000. Would make a great series and you could update as new gear comes out. I implemented the Wiim setup for a whole-house (Living/Family/Dining) solution (on your advice) and it's working great. Have an old Pioneer Elite in the Living Rm that sounds great; powered soundbar/Wiim Mini in Family Rm, and another mini in Dining Rm. Now need to figure out the best way to get out to the Deck outside and into the basement - maybe the newest Wiim with built-in amp...
Great info for those starting out or looking for a small second system. I already have the Sony SSCS5s and it is a great speaker for the price. If you have them less than 3 feet from you, the sound is pretty full, but further away and the bass drops off fast. So it can use a sub. I am probably going to get the Fosi ZA3, but not sure if I am going to need a streamer. I usually listen to higher quality audio from fixed sources. Finally, kudos to Randy for going back to stuff we can afford! All the expensive scrap was making me perturbed as it doesn't do me any good if I can't afford it.
How's your system coming along? :)
@@TokoTsuki I want to try the Fosi ZA3. I currently have the Aiyima 08 Pro, which is good, but doesn't have the upgradeable op amps. I am also still auditioning speakers. So far the Klipsch RP-600m's are in the forefront, but the mid-range dip on that speaker definitely has to be corrected. The Sony's are more lively in that midrange area, but lack bass. I want to try some vintage speakers as well such as Advents and the B&O CX-100's.
The Wiim amp/streamer seems an obvious choice on any shortlist - it also has Sub out facility plus multiroom and plenty apps/codecs. whilst with speakers it goes over $500, its still a good deal and bypasses the first upgrades stages. Add sub later.
Great video and information. This is exactly the sort of information I was looking for. How would a turn table plug in here? From my limited understanding, the set up described is single channel for a lack of better phrases with the WIIM being your media source. So in essence, you're connections are WIIM ---> DAC --> AMP--> Speakers. At what point of connection / how would you tie in a phono pre amp without disassembling your DAC and WIIM?
Thanks for all your help! I decided to go with the Elac Unifi 52’s powered by a ZA3 from SMSL Su-1 with music from tidal on my Wiim Pro! sounds amazing to me!
Klipsch R14 and B200 synergy black are decent sub $200 speakers. Great advice as always
Luvly jubbly! Great new-year bargain options. Have a good one!
For those who would prefer simplicity, how does the audio quality of the Wiim amp compare?
If you are going for the dual mono ZA3 you could run the Micca RB42 really well, for some great bass in a tiny speaker for 150 a pair
Thanks for these…as a total newb that’s been watching for a while I’d love to finally jump in but have no idea how to connect these things to each other for the best result. Specifically….If I got the wiim pro, the smls and the fosi….how do you connect them and control them?
I got the SMSL SU-1 and Topping L30II going into Hifiman He400SE. I returned the DAC and amp after 2 days. My ears could perceive NO improvement in audio over the 'crappy' DAC built into my PC.
The good news is, I determined that I cant even differentiate between 128 kbps audio and lossless audio, so I am DONE searching for 'higher end' audio equipment.
Time and time again you’re simply right. Been a music head for about 35 years and it took me about 20 years to realize the waste of money (for personal use) some spend. I understand hobby’s all too well, but damn, so many people are just clueless when they come into some money and waste so much on pink elephants that simply don’t deliver a justifiable difference. Good job 👏
Just started out in audio separates again after a 20+ year hiatus. Thanks to your recommendations I managed to bag a Wiim Mini, Topping DX3 pro, Fosi Audio ZA3 and a pair of Q Acoustic 3030i’s for less than £700. The Topping doubles as my headphone amp for a do it all system. I’m shocked at what you can get for your money nowadays and can’t wait to start adding op amps and maybe another Fosi ZA3 in the future. Cheers Randy I’m now hooked 👍
Where and for how much did you snag the 3030i's for buddy? (I'm in the UK as well)
I got something similar last year. A Topping DX3 Pro+ and an Aiyima A07. I've just ordered some Sparkos discreet opamps to put in the Aiyima. I'm still using my old Sony DX50 speakers from an old system I bought in 2000 (140w 6 ohm 3 way speakers). I also put a powered subwoofer in the mix too.
you can get a used pair for £150, or new for 250@@satheesh85
Amazing the price difference in UK.. the Sony's are $400 / £350
Yeah but I think the Q Acoustics are cheaper in the UK than the US, so swings and roundabouts :)
Excellent. I would love to see a similar recommendation for a home theater. My sound bar isn't cutting it anymore.
Excellent video, and thx for the information.
I have a question, and yeah, a beginner alert is incoming.
So, I just got the Klipsch RP-600M II for a sweet deal !! But now I am unsure what amplifier and source to buy and would like to hear if what you recommend still can be used for it. I would only use this in my office for now or at least until we move next year and hopefully to something bigger. 😅
I still love my Micca bookshelf speakers....MB42s I think. They are really cheap and sound really good.
Currently listening music on Odroid N2 with Volumio, SMSL SU1 and Aiyima a07 max on Polk S60e speakers. Sounds amazing! Better than on my Denon X4500H receiver. Also Aiyima a07 pro with Polk S20e on my PC with Soundblaster Zx sound card. Sound also amazing. The soundblaster might be even better than the SMSL su1
Love this!
Good show, as always!
OMG I’m going to study this video AND all the comments before I build out my home audio system with any other component! I’m demanding about sound as a musician but unfortunately, my wallet simply looks at me & laughs its head off🤦🏼♀️🙄 This concept; however, will help me achieve both the sound quality I want & at a price my wallet appreciates!!😎🙌🏼💜
Great stuff! Here's another alternative, Powdered speakers + DAC:
( Amazon UK prices)
Adam T5V - £290 (pair)
SMSL DO100 - £144
Source - Your PC,TV, phone 😅
Total: £434
So I'm really intrigued by the ZA3, but hesitant to pull the trigger. I've toyed with several other of the Class D's over the past 18 months, and I've been wanting to get into a monoblock setup. My hesitancy now is that the ZA3 is not really bridged, and doesn't really leverage the full power. Pardon my lack of technical depth, but I think it basically just "shuts off" the left channel, rather than bridging the amp? I'm wondering if the next iteration takes the next step to leverage the full power of the amp? I know it's fine for most of my speakers (mainly running Klipsch RP600M IIs) but I have some vintage speakers that really like power (Dahlquist DQ-10 among them) that I would love to hear sing in this setup. Any insight if Fosi may be iterating to leverage both channels' power in mono mode? Love the variable sub out on each as well...that was holding me back on others :-)
Hey Randy, my speakers will have to be fairly near to the wall in the space I have available. Which speakers between the Sonys and the Elacs will be best closer to a wall? Love your videos and content.
Can you do a blind test on the Fosi and the Aiyima?
Hi Randy, there is a hidden gem for a nice upgrade in the Aiyima line: the Aiyima T2 preamp with tubes and tone controls including medium frecuencies and, as a plus, it has two outputs (for your monoblocks ;) ) and can roll op-amps (2) too for around $80 US dollars!!
Great recommendation! Thanks
Maybe it's unit variations or related to what I look out for in my music, but the wiim mini streamers dac and optical out never worked out that well for me.
When paired with the right receiver or amp, the Sony is an absolutely brilliant speaker. I've done AB comparisons with it against speakers at 10x the price and it holds its own nicely (and actually outperforms some).
Which speakers?
Also curious as to what 10x price speakers you've heard.
Have a set of Mordaunt-Short speakers and a Chromecast audio laying around, you just provided the required information for the missing link, thanks
Hi, do you have 902i? I have a chance to buy it very cheap and put them in the same setup (Wiim mini-Su1-Aiyima 7Pro)
It must be real windy where your at. I can hear the wind blowing.
Would it make sense to just connect an iPhone via USB to a dac/amp combo? I am unsure why I should get a streaming device.
Hi! Awesome videos!
Two qqs:
1) 1:1 comparison, would you pick the A07 Max or the Fosi ZA3?
2) What would you recommend to buy so as to be able to connect a tv? I want to connect a tv, a turntable (and prob a wiim :)
you have have already done one but we need an affordable patio/back yard setup break down
Just got into higher quality audio last year thanks to channels like you and a few others. Right now I have a s.m.s.l. su-1 with some super cheap headphone amp, with my pc as my source. This year I already pre-ordered the za3 with the 48v power supply. I plan on getting the geshelli jnog2-socketed, the schiit jotunheim with the phone stage, and the Aperion Novus Open Box speakers. for a system around 2k
Dear sir
I live right across the water from Palm Beach Island... So the goodwill right up the road from my house always has stuff when rich old men die... So the stereo equipment is often older but super high end
I got my bookshelf, speakers and subwoofer for $18 all in and it's the second best system I've ever owned... I actually did go down and buy a new amp because there's were so ancient. I couldn't hook any of my new stuff to it but man oh man that I got a good deal on those speakers
True, I just got a Fosi V1.0B amp from Goodwill online for $20. Box was still in cellophane.
I bought the fosi audio bt20 pro for my computer. Is there a dac to help with sound. I happy with it now, but like everyone else we are always looking for that next step.
Good video Randy. Wondering if you could do a video for inexpensive home theater system for under $1K? Maybe start 5.1 with upgrades to 7.1, 9.1, ?
..... and had a wired network, probably the best feature.
Who uses Bluetooth and audiophile in the same sentence?
There is a dac hdmi converter for your tv that could possibly be a game changer for a bedroom system???? They cost about $20 and convert hdmi signal to rca so can go from the arc hdmi spot so can control volume with the tv remote. I wonder what it would be like to go from that to the za3 would be like, that would be an even cheaper system bypassing the wiim mini and using spotify on the tv. Not as nice streaming from TV instead of control from the phone unless you have Google cast, BUT provides volume control which alot of people would appreciate over having 2 separate remotes and allows for MUCH more equipment choice for amps without remotes. As blasphemous as it might be to say this here, but using that even with a set of computer speakers would be a massive step up to TV speakers for friends or family that don't care as much as we might. Having a little subwoofer can make a massive difference in sound
I am not a tech person, but I own ZA3s... And after research, when used as monoblocks, I understand the power is not doubled. However, I believe the amps having their own power supplies is a bonus.
If you know this, you are a tech person
Ha ha! I wish! I am good at reading the expertise of others and regurgitating it! Best wishes!@@KhanJoltrane
Upgrade the op-amps? What's in there now and what would you suggest upgrading to?
how about some powered monitors and your existing phone? iphone users have the bonus of a good in the lightning-to-headphone jack dongle, according to comparison tests, in case you wanted to go wired. you can even get lightning-to-ethernet, or usb-c for android users, in case you're in an area or house with unstable wifi. steamers can be any device with an o/s installed. people who live in anechoic chambers need not apply. they may notice a difference
I would love to get ZA3 but its not available on my local amazon yet so looking at V3 🤷♂️
So if im running the A07 max in mono and I want to upgrade the op amps like a sparkos ss3602 would i only need to purchase 2 chips? One for each of the left signals since mono is only using one channel in each amp?
Arguably, the RSL iA255.1 is a better amplifier with far more options. Tone controls, sub out, high pass filter, Bluetooth, USB in/DAC, 7amp power supply. It can't be overlooked for an entry-level all-in-one solution.
Can you do a video of hooking the equipment up, please?
I'm looking for one (two actually) of these cheap class D amps that doesn't have volume control. I'd like to get an Arylic B50 because it has HDMI ARC, and then run the L and R outputs each to a cheap amp but be able to control the volume via the TV ARC functionality. Anyone know of a cheap class D that doesn't have volume control or allows HT Bypass functionality? Thanks.
Excellent video. First steps for hifi. I may use this for a guest cottage set up or a garage setup. Sounds perfect.
Can i add a turntable to this? What would you recommend?
Can I use a Wiim mini with an SMSL SU1 and a BT20A Pro? How would they all connect in what series and what would power the SMSL or the Wiim?
Wiim mini has a cruddy DAC but good optical outs. I went with a Slash3 instead and when combined with a GanFet usb charger is hard to beat for the money. I would bet LDAC Slash3 sounds better than Wiim mini. A review idea for you. I agree the Wiim mini combined with an SU1 might be a golden combo
@cheapaudioman, I loved this video, it's a fresh reminder about what I like about your analysis. I know you don't recommend the Fluance XL8S anymore, but they have nice, not perfect, midrange detail and are very pleasant (I did get them on your recommendation btw). $179, I've seen them as low are $148 recently. I don't own the Neumis (BS5 or Silk) but seem like they're good too. I own and love the Sonys, another great CAM recommendation. Also the Elac UniFi UB5s as my mains. Thanks! 🙃
Loving my Uni-Fi ub5s too!
Moved to a small apartment and needed a small budget system. Been considering these small Class-D amps, and put together with either a Wiim Mini, or a DAC plus a Google Chromecast Audio via optical input. I'd never the less be constrined to small speakers, and went with the Micca RB42, based on reviews of the above wightsize bass performance. In the end, an end of year sale fopr the Arcam SA10 at $375 including tax prompted me to get that. I guess the attrraction of tradional Class A/B and the inclusion of a toroidal transpormer, built in ESS9016K2M Sabre DAC and a remote drew me to the Arcam. For sure, larger and more effficient speakers would be a better match to the Arcam. The result is decent across the board. 70's rock can be a bit harsh at times, but jazz is impressive, with a nice focused and sperated soundtage, that sometimes goes wider than the speakers, and always gives that nice behind the speakers placement. The Micca's do, with certain music, not dissapear and sound boxy. Surprising given their diminitive size, but going to play with placement and toe angle to see if that can be improved. Given I hade the Chromecast (casting Tida) already, my cost was was about $560, plus speaker cable. In the end, for me at least, if a tradiitonal amp is on some super sale, I'm leaning that way. Still may get a Fosi, just to compare.
I think at this level, I would keep the source and amplification as cheap as possible and push the extra cash towards the speakers. One level up and the speakers will cease to be the bottleneck these ultra budget options are.
Very True. Spend most of your cash on speakers.
Fun video! It reminded me of a Saturday speaker shootout. ❤
Any suggestion for a DAC for the Wiim pro plus?
What’s a good replacement for my SONOS S1 components?
Could these setups be used at a desk with a PC as the source instead of the WIIM?
Should have shown a picture of the system put together also a diagram.
Thanks for that feedback.
Sony SSCS5, the most returned speaker at Amazon.
Yea I don't like them either. Makes a Great garage or shop speaker tho (party speaker)
IIRC, I paid $88 for the pair I have. They are fine if you don't attempt to drive them to absurd SPLs. Especially for that price. That being said, I replaced them with a re-woofered pair of Infinity Reference 2001 bookshelf speakers. My Fosi TB10D drives either set as loud as I care to listen to.
That is actually a great idea. I could change it to a home shopping style. There’s only 27 pair left. Call now before they’re gone. Something like that. Shoot me an email and we can discuss ideas. Brilliant. My affiliate revenue would go through the roof.
Thank you, Randy. Great response. Keep on with what you're doing. I really don't understand the hate. 😢😂
My hate comment wasn't directed at the home shopping comment as it was at one person who was repeatedly posting negative comments.Hpme shopping could be fun😅
The ELAC Uni-Fi UB5 is priced at $199 on Amazon, and the Q Acoustics 3020 was available for $149. These represent superior options for budget-friendly speakers, with warmer and cooler tonalities. I'm not sure Sony SSCS5 ($199) and ELAC BS41 ($149)
UB5’s get here Friday
Uni 5’s OG’s need a ton of current. Don’t know if these amps couple drive them proper. Q acoustic was a swing and a miss for me. Thanks for the heads up on those.
I don't really know for sure if my Ub5 speakers are getting enough power with the 48v GaN Fosi V3, but it does seem to be fine so far. The amp gets a little warm if they are blasting for a while but I haven't had it cut out or sound bad. Bass is a little more subdued than expected, not sure if that is because of power, break in, or if i expected too much, but the sub picks it up nicely. The woofers have great impact. Some reviews said they seemed rolled off in the high end, but they sound great to me, any more treble would be too much.
I think I will save up toward a Schiit Vidar for them instead of upgrading opamps mono mode za3s though. If the v3 survives till then, I'll move it to rears or a desk with something easier to run.
I would totally recommend the Elac Uni-fi ub5 at 199, though my experience with other speakers and amps is nonexistent.
I appreciate the fact you offered alternatives in the same price range. I am in favor of buying used on a budget, but good to know what new (condition) products are out there instead of just saying "the Sony's are trash". I have scrounged up 5 x Polk T-15s for about $100 (3 used, 2 new) total, and even though Randy pushed them off the table, they still work well for me.
I recently upgraded my speakers from Moukey 3 ways to Fluance Signature 2 ways on sale for about $170 and it is like a whole new stereo. Paired with Aiyima T9 and an Edifier subwoofer and I don't think there's much I'd want to change for a very long time.
Which Fluance signature 2 ways did you get? There are several options being a bookshelf or a surround I believe. Just curious as I’m always looking for good deals on great stereo stuff.
@@baseballlife5884 Bookshelf model. I have a small apartment, they sit about 12 feet apart. For my listening needs I pretty much never even reach half volume on amp.
is there a benefit besides convenience to buy a music streamer like the wiim or going up to a bluesound node vs just plugging my ipad 3.5mm jack to rca splitter into my stereo amp when using something like tidal? i've only done physical media up till now, and dont' really wanna spend a bunch of money if it isn't going to benefit the audio, i don't mind the connected wire too bad. or would a high quality dac be money better spent, or also a waste of money? so confusing!
i am using a nad 316bee amp with kef q350's if that helps anything.
This was the exact same question I had and was hoping to find an answer in the comments. Did you ever get a good answer?
@@jeffp0rn i ended up spending money lol. i got a topping dac and a wiim mini streamer. i will say the convenience is great being able to just use my phone to stream to my 2.1 system. but, it didn't really transform my music listening. it might be a little more enjoyable? i didn't compare to be honest. but, it's definitely not night and day or anything. the main benefit would be the convenience...and with a boosted sound quality some...but how much? i don't know. i don't regret the purchase at all if that helps
edit: the wiim mini for 90 bucks, def worth the cost. i spent like 350 dollars on the topping e70. that is a little harder to justify. i do like it though. i think smsl has a 80 dollar dac that is supposed to be good, you could use that to hook up the wiim mini and people have nothing but good things to say about that dac. so 160 would get ya a dac and streaming capabilities. you might not even need the dac if you have an input on your amp for it. good luck!
I'm looking for small subs to go with monoblock, 8 in, or less. Just enough to fill in. Any recommendations?
I believe you don’t care for tubes, have you tested a combo of any fosi or AIYIMA amp + tube preamp ?
Curious about your thoughts
Does WIIM have UA-cam Music as a service? I wish my Yamaha receiver had it as it’s my primary streamer.
Gr8t Video ! Keep up the good work ! Always enjoy your vids. I enjoy my ELACs
Great Stuff Randy!!! 👍👍👍
just for info: I own for my desktop an Dayton audio amp, hooked up to DIY speakers ! Why is Dayton never within scope? Its a classic brand right?
I have had several fosi amps, some of them are awesome and some are very bad. The good ones beat out the other amps I have for sound quality, but the bad ones have an audible hiss. Maybe wouldn't rely on one to not blow up your other components.
Nice Content, i have a Question to the Wiim Mini... why using the SU1 DAC when the Wiim Mini already have a 192khz 24 bit DAC inside ... cant imaging that the SU1 does anything different? Wiim Mini into Fosi V3 should be already work slendid or????
This is a good point!
Great video brother! From starter systems, to mid level systems, this video covers it. Could you suggest a headphone amp with dac for folks as well? Thank you so much in advance. Wishing you and yours a healthy, happy, and prosperous New Year!
What about if I need a center channel for movies off of a TV? Should I get the Schiit Syn? Is there any other options?
Lots of recievers out there that can do a center channel but they usually work off a 5.1 digital signal.
I think I like the idea of the Syn processing the sound from the analog stereo channels in real time better, its more interesting to me anyway.
@@frankplissken143 I already have the WIIM Pro plus and 2 Fosi ZA3 in mono block mode for two channel bliss. But currently I have nothing driving my center channel speaker. That is why I asked.
Great video. Have you considered reviewing / showcasing older equipment? it's definitely an avenue that would keep in line with the "cheap" aspect of being an audiophile. I have a Wiim Pro feeding the optical input on a Denon AVR-2112CI, which in turn is hooked up to some Cambridge Soundworks M80s. Got the Wiim Pro used for $100, the Denon would cost between $70-100. The M80s are harder to find in good condition, but I've had mine for nearly 2 decades and they sound better than any speaker pair you could get for $700, maybe even $1000. Big 8" woofer, 3.5" midrange, and 3/4" tweeter, double ports in the rear, Mahogany veneer with red stain. I bought some Elac DBR62s and though they are great, the M80s have a much better sound and appearance.
Also, I've been looking for a piece of equipment for my desktop computer. Right now I have a T9 Pro, but its pre-out does not change volume with the knob, so it isn't ideal to connect to a subwoofer. Any ideas?
Like other commenters I am really wondering how the Wiim Pro/mini coupled with either of these amps compares in terms of sound quality to the Wiim amp. I hear reviewers talking a lot about the features of the Wiim amp but not really highly rating its sound.
That kind of leads me to believe that a solution using these separate components might lead to better sound outcomes, but the Wiim amp offers slightly less good sound in a much more convenient and feature packed product.
Any thoughts on this anyone?
For about $160, what do you think of the Swan active OS -10's?
How about Fiio BR13 as LDAC bluetooth receiver, any play?
Do you think the SSCS5’s are better than Wharfdale 220s?
Awesome back to basics video. Gots a question is quobuz supported by all of this equipment? Thanks for all you do. 👍😀
Does anyone know about a mini amp with two or three rca line inputs? Class D/ab and ….. maybe with RC too 😊 thanks!!
Just built my 1st HiFi system. Came in just under $500 minus the iPhone or iPad source via Bluetooth or USB in.
Running the AIYIMA A08 pro into the Sony SSCS’5s with a sunfire SDS8 sub w the passive radiator. Got some cheap stands for the Sonys off Amazon and some cheap braided speaker cables. Sounds amazing but definitely looking to upgrade to some cheap small monoblocks , some 6” or larger bookshelves and possibly a lossless digital source, currently running iTunes with most rips @ 320 .
I'm looking to get stands for the same speakers. Would you recommend the ones you got? If so, would you mind telling me which ones they are please.
@@theBtotheJ23 yes I got the Monoprice elements speaker stands 24” off Amazon. They aren’t the most solid but I have no complaints they get the job done look nice and the price is right.
@TheSixsixsick Thanks dude. Are you using them on hardwood or carpet
@@theBtotheJ23 carpet, comes with metal feet and also rubber bushings in case you are using on hardwood so they should work on either
@TheSixsixsick OK good. I'd be using them on carpet so it's good to know they work.
I have the Aiyema A07 max with 48v paired with the New $265 Cerwin-Vega! LA165 bookshelf speakers, great sound and match.
How about some studio monitors with unbalanced RCA inputs? If the pros use them to mix, why not use what the pros use? I'm just asking questions.
Great vid Randy! Any recos for upgrades that would add a little bit of EQ capability? That's the one thing I wish the Fosi and Ayima had.
The Wiim has EQ in the app
Ah yes, I forgot it does have that. I was also thinking of having EQ further down the chain in case you wanted to add other source components like turntable, CD player etc@@traildoggy
@@nlionel9625 there is a 5 band eq that I recall Randy really liking. Schiit Audio maybe? I don't remember for sure but if you look at his other vids I think you'll find it.
Schiit for an external EQ. Or an integrated amp with tone controls.
@@traildoggy Yes, the Schiit Loki or lokius. I've also seen the fosi audio sk01 recommended, but it takes some rca to 3.5mm adapters.
@cheapaudioman you gotta try the new Cerwin-Vega LA series speakers. I think they will blow your mind with the price to performance ratio. Pair some with a Fosi V3 and you got an incredible system. Regardless of price too. Just an excellent sounding system.
Would you recommend two of the ZA3 over the Cambridge Audio AXA35 (I understand the ZA3 are ~$140 less) ? Running Klipsch RP-600M.
Unless you hear something in your system, it's difficult to say which is better. I have an Aiyima A07 (under $90) and a Keces E40 ($749 retail). To me the Keces is better, has more features and is better built. But as for SQ, it varies. The biggest difference I hear is on my Focal 807W in which a cheap class D isn't up to par. On Triangle Zetas, the difference is there but both amps sound great on it.
So for me, measurements aside, there are performance/system matching issues. While alot of people seem to say the ZA3 is better than the A07, a few stated their A07 is better. It seems there is a bit more upper mids energy from what I read in personal reviews.
Spec wise, the ZA3 is a powerhouse in watts seemingly made with quality parts, don't know about amperage output but it exceeds its specs in watts a bit. At the inexpensive price, in this hobby, its little risk. It's small, attractive and while lacking in inputs comparatively, it may be enough and has, I believe a variable sub out (I use RCA outs on the Keces) which is preferred.
Would I use the ZA3 over the AXA35? Maybe, probably and one amp may be enough. If you buy 2 of them, and find 2 are overkill, you can still build 2 systems at a still less expensive price.
I don't really use the A07 as I have 2 Keces E40s and would jump on a third if the price was right even though it is less watts and will always be more expensive. Been using 1 for over 3 years without issues. Also have a hegel and while better, marginally on my speakers and SPLs I listen to, I kept it in the event I bought something more "high end" that was hard to drive. I did try a higher end speaker and preferred the more budget options and while better in some areas, it wasn't in others. Don't see the need to up the ante and small systems, small speakers do it for me.
Would I choose the ZA3 over a Keces E40? While I never compared the two, the little Keces impresses and I don't see needing to swap it out. But I may get one sometime just to give a listen and maybe use in an ancillary system or as a backup. Nice looking little integrated with the orange knob. XLR to boot for use with a dac that has them.
Fair warning I bought a few of the Wiim minis and one of them bricked after about a year. The other two seem to be working fine but I’m hesitant to reccommend them now.
@cheapaudioman Nice video! QUESTION: How would the Wiim Pro Plus with its better DAC sound compared to Wiim Pro and SMSL SU1 DAC combination?
Wiim Pro and dedicated dac sounds better.
The only caviat is if you intend to use analog input to digital output of the wiim pro plus, it has a better conversion capable of higher resolution.
Or... if you don't want to mess with separates for aesthetic reasons.
I purchased the WiiM amp because of your reviews. I'm so impressed! My main system is a audiolab 9000A/Bowers 705s2/Node 2i and I'm really surprised how good the WiiM sounds with a pair of Totem Sttaf towers. 😮
I use the parametric EQ to get a nice warm balance sound out of the WiiM.
Justt watched this whole thing and have no clue what they are supposed to do. D.A.C. concept sounds cool, though!
I'd love to see some more phono preamp reviews. Especially some supporting mc cartridges.
Can this thing power a sub. I have one that the plate amp died.
Townhouse LR system: SSCS5 (paid $120), Aiyima T9 (Paid $109), WiiM mini (paid $79). Rolled A9 tubes (Riverstone $23.95). Feed it with AirPlay or Spotify or Prime Audio. Total ~$332 (had cables already) and sounds awesome. Might add the SMSL dac and a small monoprice sub for giggles. Not as good as the home listening room system (KEF, Boston Acoustics, Denon, Rotel) but not much worse and less than 1/5 the price of the speakers alone. What’s not to like? Thanks Randy!
Do you do any simple woodwork? You could build a itty bitty dorm sized rack for all these mini components. Mount a powerstrip on the back, do some nice cable management, put a carry handle on top. Call it the Cheapaudioman super boombox.
That would be super cute. I think I will
I not sure why but speakers in the uk are far more expensive than in us the sony ssc5 are £199 so approx 250 US and the elacs are ridiculously priced here nearly £300. The amps are roughly the same price it just seems to be speakers 🤔
Still a serious fan of the OG Aiyima T9!! Any suggestions for a fun-fi preamp for the A07 max (x2)??