In my personal walk with christ, there have been times I have backslid, however, just in those backsliding time when my fleshly spirit did the things that didnt agree and life started to take a turn for the worse, God never gave up on me he sent laborers on the way and put me in circumstances where i had no choice but to turn back to him. Granted it is a growing process because my backsliding was a result of getting sucked in by the lies of the enemy and i fell farther into sin but i didnt originally intend to sin. Each time when he restores me and pulls me back i grow in knowledge of him. To me it reminds me of when God starts a work in you hes gonna finish it. God bless
Jon Singleton i think possibly i said it wrong i always have asked God back into my life and repented and rededicated my life at those times but I dont think God gives up on his people. However people give up on him and what he says.
Jon Singleton I have followed much of your thread and it appears that you are striving hard to debate with others to prove them wrong because you believe you have it all down, drawn out and put together. Brother, if you want to talk about something Biblical your talking it, it’s that biblical term Pride. To assume your position is dangerous and you should confess this area of your life to Jesus Christ and allow Him to rid you from this. Even this young woman who gave a testimony of how she walked away from God and was like the prodigal daughter and God pursued her in her backslidden state is the Agape love of God Almighty. I to walked away for sometime, but God never gave up on me. I came back praise God, because He didn’t want me to stay in that backslidden state. God is merciful to us all, and none of us are even worthy enough to deserve this gift of salvation that he offers freely to us. Some of the greatest apostasy that’s running rampant in the church today are self righteous people preaching a message that they themselves aren’t even able to live or abide by. They walk in arrogance and great pride like they have arrived. The fact is, none of us have truly arrived. We are always being changed and transformed to be more like Him. We must be teachable because the moment we stop, Pride takes the lead.
Terrance Tisdale “and what is the immeasurable greatness of his power toward us who believe, according to the working of his great might” Ephesians 1:19 I think it was meant as a closing statement. Like we can’t kept salvation on our own and thank God for it bc it’s His great power at work in us who He saves. At least that was how I interpreted it
Continue reading the verse. Later in it he tells the accursed "I NEVER knew you". He NEVER knew them. They didn't lose their salvation. They were never saved to begin with.
@@KeeperOfThe10 the only condition that salvation is based on is whether or not someone truly believes. the point of that verse is that there will be people that claim to believe in Jesus but don’t in their hearts. not that ppl have to do good works
I have been in the faith for over 10 years. My experience has been: the more I learn, the more questions I have. All in all, I hope God will humor me cause we need to talk. Lol
James 2:24 You see that a Person is considered righteous by what they DO and NOT BY FAITH ALONE. ua-cam.com/video/vJo1OZcLtlA/v-deo.html Best bible passage to refute once saved always saved. This channel will solve your questions.
@@patriciaulbricht3643 Don't just read scripture study it and learn what it says about salvation. Watch both these videos and visit the main channel for the rest of the bible. ua-cam.com/video/WTr76C2sxIM/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/3GnK0xndBkA/v-deo.html
I use to do meth and I was addicted to alcohol and I almost died in my sins, I seen different kinds demons with my own eyes scared me to death and I knew in my spirit I was heading for hell for sure I cried out to God like Jonah and he had Mercy on me, I wouldn't want to test this once saved always saved thing to the end.... If I had not cried out to the Lord im convinced I would be in a place to horrible to imagine.. Whoever digs a pit will fall into it Proverbs 25:27
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@@visit_vaticancatholic_dot_com Did you just really comment on a BIBLE BASED VIDEO to go follow this cult you are promoting????? NO. It is nowhere near authentic Christianity. Catholicism is a cult and works-salvation based and they want you pray to saints which is NOT BIBLICAL when you can pray to Jesus yourself. Please don't promote that heresy and open your eyes! REPENT OF YOUR SINS JESUS IS COMING.
@@labae8728 Your anti-Catholic sentiments are quite wrong and you need to get your facts right. If you really believe in praying to Jesus for yourself (in the way you seem to be trying to articulate, i.e. excluding intercessors), then logically you would have to condemn "Christians" for asking their fellow "Christians" to pray for them, in order to be consistent. Catholics do pray to Jesus directly, by the way. You need to stop all the anti-Catholic garbage and make consulting this information your number one priority. Your version of Christianity is a counterfeit, and is unhistorical and unbiblical. The Catholic Church is the original Church and you need to belong to it for eternal salvation. Before you dismiss this information by saying you only stick with the Bible, you should know that the very term "Bible" as applied to the books of the Old and New Testaments, comes from St. John Chrysostom, who was a fourth century Catholic bishop. This fact was acknowledged by Protestant scholar, F.F. Bruce. You can see more about this in the video, The First Use of The Bible: ua-cam.com/video/ly137br9ctY/v-deo.html Also, the Catholic Church decided what books were to be in the Bible, so you don't even have a Bible without the Catholic Church. The Bible did not fall out of the sky intact. It was put together by the Catholic Church, which is the Church Jesus established (Matthew 16:18-19). You can't be a follower of Jesus unless you accept all of His teaching and hear His Church. That only happens in the traditional Catholic faith. Additionally, if you're one to label the Catholic use of statues as idolatrous, then your problem would be with God and the Bible, because God specifically commands the making of religious statues. The Bible does not condemn the use of true religious statues and images. See Exodus 25:17-19 below (and keep in mind that cherubim are angels): And thou shalt make a mercy seat pure gold: two cubits and a half the length thereof, and a cubit and a half the breadth thereof. And thou shalt make two cherubims gold, beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat. And make one cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end: of the mercy seat shall ye make the cherubims on the two ends thereof. Other Bible references which show God's command to make statues for true religious purposes are: Exodus 26:1, 1 Kings 6, 1 Kings 7:25-36 and Numbers 21:8. For more information about what the Bible teaches regarding the use of true religious statues and praying to Saints (not worshipping Saints), please see this audio with Bible references for one's learning: www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/catholicchurch/bible-praying-to-saints/#.Xy2Eay2ZPs0 God wants you to become a traditional Catholic. I don't mean to join what purports to be the Catholic Church, which is currently headed by the evil man Antipope Francis. That's the Vatican II Counterfeit Catholic Church. Here is a file that covers the biblical proof for Catholicism: www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/catholicchurch/bible/ Vatican II "Catholic" Church Exposed: www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/catholicchurch/vatican-ii-exposed/?WPhp&Theme2020#.XybjKy2ZPs0 (addresses the sex scandals, etc) How to convert to the real Catholic Church: www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/catholicchurch/catholic-baptism-steps-to-convert/?WPhp&Theme2020#.XzNigy2z3s0 About Section of the website: www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/catholicchurch/about-website/?WPcc&Theme2020#.Xybkwi2ZPs0 Life is short and Hell is forever. You will have no excuse at your judgment because you have been given the opportunity to embrace true Christianity by way of you having access to all the resources listed here. Take advantage of this soul-saving information and cease engaging in anti-Catholic speech and acts, because you will be eternally condemned to burn in the lake of fire, for having attacked God's one true faith, outside of which there is no salvation. Convert quickly because we're in the last days and of course, people can die at any time.
Wow Allen. This is awesome. I love how you ended the video, we must focus more on our purpose here than arguing about different beliefs. You couldn't have said it any better. God bless you brother.
@@thebeatagp most people only look at the extremes (getting saved every day, or never losing your salvation) ! the truth is you can never lose it, but you can give it away by openly denying the Lord Jesus Christ, Hebrews 6 4-6 clearly indicates this, also Matthew 4:37 ! But the mark of Christian maturity, where you can not be restored is a high bar, also in Hebrews 6 4-6 !
Christ be with you Jesus does that for us A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. (John 13:34-35) Act 16:30-31 is not what it means to be Christian It is mere the first step. then we must learn about his teaching And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house. And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway. (Acts 16:32-33) Anyone who tells you a Gospel that does not tell us we must abide in this doctrine of Christ is a partaker of Evil. Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds. (2 John 9-11) (Please read the rest of 2 John to see this is the doctrine being talked of ) God bless you
@faith grace Christ be with you So you think Jesus is wrong. Romans 4 is referring to works of the law, circumcision, animal sacrifice, cleansing rituals, holy days and dietary requirements not Good works. It appears most Protestant so not know what faith is. Abraham's promise came through faith (Rom 4:13) but is was kept because he obeyed God ( Gen 26:4-5) If you read more than the proof text you would see that faith must establish the Law (Rom 3:31) I think you should look at what faith in Jesus Christ means to you. I would also look at the gospel you follow as it sound like it does not contain the doctrine of Christ, and that would make it evil ( 2 John 9-11) Please read more than just proof texts and find the true Gospel. God bless you
Being saved is to simply give your mind body and soul to God to do that you must know the truth about his word the correct revelation and he has to give it to us we can’t get it just by reading the Bible he has to reveal it to us
@@johnward2650 I agree. I just think we have been conditioned by modern church for us to stop at just that statement and our actions don’t necessarily follow. And based off of this video that clear distinction was not truly made.
As a pastor who once was miles from God and knowing I was not covered by His mighty grace any longer, I believe with such an important doctrine where people’s eternal security rests, the topic needs much study to support such a stand. I appreciate your efforts here to help other believers. For the record, I don’t believe that God throws us out but rather humankind has free will. So if someone decides to reject Christianity years later and live a satanic life or just godless existence, then why would this person deserve to live with Jesus in heaven when he clearly didn’t want to live with Him here?! I think in order to decide upon and to preach a doctrine, you need firstly not to find scriptures that support your view especially if the are plenty of scriptures saying the opposite. I would like to hear you overcome the many parables, warnings and teachings all through the Bible before we disregard and ignore clear teachings in the word. Especially when we are warned not to preach a foreign gospel or add to the word. Here are just a few; 1. 10 virgins, 5 that don’t make it and yet all are called and waiting 2. Unforgivable sin against the Holy Spirit where there is no forgiveness. Why would you need this if not saved. 3. Parable of talents, 1 slothful servant of God 4. Rebukes to seven churches, return or have your lamp stand put out 5. Matt 18 dealing with conflict in the church, last move to put the person outside under Satans control so that they maybe saved 6. Tasting of the heavenly gifts and partaken in the Holy Spirit but falling away there is no forgiveness of their sin 7. Rev 12 leave the out Court worshipers 8. Prodigal son, was he restored if he stayed in the pig pen of life? There’s plenty more. What are your thoughts?
Yes I agree with you, people need to speak IN CONTEXT the scriptures. Point is God keeps us as long as long as we want to be kept! Luke 2: 62- Noone who puts his hands to the plow and looks back is fit for the kingdom of God. Thats just one scripture going against what he said. People please study and know the Bible for yourselves. No hate and evil towards this brother but at the end of the day. We have to stay in line with the grace God has given unto us. Apply the principals of the Bible. When I backslid, if I would have died in my sin I would have gone to hell, its as simple as that. God's grace kept me alive to allow me to come back to Him. But many dont get that chance. Long story short. Know the Bible for yourselves people!
Please. You said at the end of your comment that there are plenty more where those came from. I'd be interested in seeing them. So far, none of these you have listed say anything about anyone losing salvation after being in Christ while being used in context. Of course if you separate them from context and study them as stand alone verses, then yes. I guess you can make the argument that it's possible to lose salvation if you twist the meaning to fit a certain view. But in context, none of these support losing salvation. Study scripture as a whole. Not as individual verses. Pick one from your list and let's discuss it with scriptural support.
@@djohnson3093 "But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die." Ezekiel 18:24 KJV Word of God! ✨ It's said clearly. It clearly says that the "righteous" (who are the ones that are justified) can lose everything that they had done if they turn away from their righteousness... All of their righteousness won't be even mentioned. A righteous can fall and lose salvation.
This is such an encouraging message I’ve been a Christian for almost 10 years and am sometimes disappointed with the areas of my life that aren’t in-line with God, but then I remind myself at least I’m not where I was before, and that highlights all the things the lord has help me overcome or at least improve on.
Christ be with you its false Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. *For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die:* but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. (Rom 8:12-13) St Paul is speaking to people who are no longer debtors telling them it the return to sin they will die God bless you
Michael, you’re absolutely right. Our spirit is righteous with God, but we still have these corrupt physical bodies, and will fall short from time to time. Some sins are more easily put behind us than others. Physically, we don’t just “step over a log” into perfection. 👍
@@gregorylatta8159 Christ be with you It’s a pretty dumb response Everyone’s flesh dies, there would be no point in these words. You are trying to deny what St Paul is teaching. Talk about twisting his word to your own destruction. (2 Peter 3:15-16) Come to Christ
Love you brother, but you misquoted scripture. You said, “All that the Father has given me, I will not lose one” (7:50). That’s not what the Bible says and is very misleading. The Bible clearly says that it is the WILL OF GOD that He does not lose one. Big difference. It’s also the will if God that none should perish, but that all should come to repentance; but the will of God is not always accomplished. It pains me to see this doctrine promulgated as it is. There is a great apostasy coming (2 Th 2:3, 1 Tim 4:1, Mat 24:9-13) and we should be warning believers as the Bible does (Heb 3:12, for example). Instead, many are receiving false assurance because of teachings like this.
Hal Chaffee Thank you for using Scripture to back up what I believed. It is so important as teachers of Scripture that we rightly divide the word of truth. The Scriptures are the final authority on which we base our beliefs. But if our beliefs are based on a misinterpretation of the Scripture we’ll continue to teach it incorrectly. I knew there was a Scripture about the great falling away. And that falling away refers to the Saints. This supports the idea of being able to forfeit entering into the kingdom of God by our own choice.
@@granitarichardson5156 the falling away does NOT refer to those who are born again! It has to do with the rampant false teachings that will take place, but it doesn't mean believers lose salvation. What does HAVE eternal life mean?
@@jamesjeson556 I don't believe it is speaking of those who are born again because the next verse says that those who depart from the faith were liars, having their conscience seared, etc. 80% of Americans claim they are of the Christian faith, but that doesn't mean they are born again. We see many departing from the teachings of the faith and are believing lies, but they were never OF the faith. If one truly believes eternal life is by the grace of God through faith in that grace, they would never depart. The problem with those who believe they can lose their salvation is that they don't actually put their faith in Jesus Christ. They put it in their own ability. Those are ones who will depart from the faith because they never really believed the Gospel.
The Bible says when you accept the Lord as your Saviour, you are Sealed with the Holy Spirit of Promise until the day of the Redemption of the purchased possession. You cannot lose your Salvation.
Again, I agree with you 100%. I would add that if a person thought he or she was saved then rejects God later in their lives, then I would have to question their salvation in the first place. But I believe rejecting God and backsliding are two different things. We can’t make the judgement of a persons salvation because we can’t see into a persons heart, their salvation or lack of salvation is between them and God.
@@waynenorumu5485 It doesn’t matter if backsliding is in the Bible or not, it is the concept or idea. The Trinity isn’t in the Bible either but most all Christians believe in the concept/doctrine.
@@lonleyndnGod said in the Old Testament that He would make a new covenant that is not like the old Covenant. And, that is what He did when Christ died and rose from the dead. The new testament tells us that we can't live by the old covenant but by the new. It tells us that living by the old covenant will bring death, but living by the Holy Spirit brings life. So, to say that the covenant hasn't changed is exactly contrary to what scripture tells us.
The willful sin was that of not believing that faith in Christ is all you need to be saved, that you had to go do something else to earn your salvation.
@@Keef220D What would have happened to Abraham if he had stood on his faith only and refused to go where God sent him? Faith without works is dead and wil not save us. Faith in Christ only is like saying God I trust in You but I don't have obey You. I don't have to walk in the good works you prepared in Christ Jesus for me to walk in. I will, instead, just have faith that that command just pertains to crowns and rewards and not eternal life. Salvation is ALL grace but that grace contains a call to obedience that goes beyond faith alone and requires our freewill to cooperate with God's calling. God bless.
@@godislove7410 Yes, I agree, we must first believe in Christ but then we must also f/u with repentance, batpism and a deisre and willingness to obey and to endure till the end in doing so.
This was sooooo uplifting !!! I'm crying ! Thank you for doing these important videos! I love how you provide proof thru scripture ! I will never lose my salvation ! God Bless You sir!
Hi Allen, I will reply to this, as you asked - with a scripture. I think it speaks well enough for itself: "For it is impossible to BRING BACK TO REPENTANCE (Meaning there has been one previously), those who were once enlightened - those who have experienced the good things of heaven and shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the power of the age to come - and who THEN TURN AWAY from God. It is impossible to bring such people back to repentance; by rejecting the Son of God, they themselves are nailing him to the cross once again and holding him to public shame. When the ground soaks up the falling rain and bears a good crop for the farmer, it has God's blessing. But if a field bears thorns and thistles, it is useless. The farmer will soon condemn that field and burn it." Hebrews 6:4-8
Exactly. All the other scriptures I am seeing in the comments do not at all confirm that you can't turn away. These people are too eager for grace and not eager enough for the truth.
We are studying this now. The parable about the fig tree is another example. It must bear [righteous] fruit or it will be cut down. But people will believe what they want to believe.
Ok, Buddy, ( good channel, I respect what you are doing) I just started watching this video and had to comment at 1:42 already ( and I will continue to watch afterward). You preface your statement of "once saved always saved" by saying; " Once you become a GENUINE follower of Jesus Christ ". THAT is where the issue begins in my humble opinion. We need to all have the same definition of what is a "Genuine follower of Christ' . 2 John in verse 8 says " 8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. 9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.( end) Now, with that being said. Some people's experience in being saved involved nothing more than a guy asking someone " Are you saved?" and the person says " No". "Would you like to be"? " Yes". Then say this prayer and yahoo they are saved and they give it no thought ever again. To some, that is the experience that they have based their salvation on. That person may think that they are saved, but in reality, are they? Real salvation is when I fall to my knees and submit my will to the higher authority of God, telling him that I realize that on my own I have NO chance of salvation and that I accept the Blood of Christ to cover me and my sinful nature. Some people think that the prayer is like a magic spell or that God changes sin so it is not sinful anymore, FALSE. God changes the sinner and real faith is a faith that works and creates fruit. I am really studying this hard right now. We are surely saved by faith and the grace of the Lord but we do not still just wallow in our sins, we still wallow in sin because we have a sinful nature but we do not keep sinning ON PURPOSE and expect God to be happy with that can we? God made law and the penalty for breaking it was and IS death. So now when we become Christian we can break it with no consequence? Did Christ die so I could keep on sinning? This once saved always saved doctrine is a slippery slope. Every time I pray for clarity on these issues It seems God is telling me that the law is only dead for SALVATION. I will close with this my Friend and continue with the video, in Revelation when Jesus comes back, what does He find? It says He finds a one-world government, a one-world currency, an APOSTATE one world church and a remnant.. a remnant of His true believers that " Keep the commandments of God AND the faith of Jesus!
Amen,Amen,and Amen........ Thee first person to break it down so simply for the confused people in the back.... Amen! Yes Lord use him! Your studying shows... GOD Bless!
Bro.Parr I really enjoy your videos you are a great teacher! But I have to disagree with you on this subject... you forgot to mention the one thing God with all of His omnipotent and infinite power cannot or He will not do... and that's go against a person's will! Read Ezek. 33:11-20 I likened this to that of the angels they had the right or the freedom to choose but were not offered the gift of salvation. God didn't go against the angels will nor does He go against our will" God doesn't want robots! No one spoke more emphatically about hell then Jesus himself and those who are going there and what it takes to miss the mark. There are too many scriptures to mention that support how a person could choose to lose their salvation" the bottom line is those who practice lawlessness and if they don't repent of their sinful backsliding ways and die in their sin they wont see heaven's gates.
No one is perfect, even the disciples wondered who would be saved. Truth is, Christians are not perfect either, we slip and fall, make mistakes etc. etc. but a genuine Christian will ALWAYS return to God. That is the work of the Holy Spirit.
You reference an Old Testament scripture as opposed to New Testament when Jesus fulfilled mosaic law.: so if you disagree with Alan parr then you believe sins are greater than gods atonement and promises of salvation for those who are committed to believing in Jesus? If you think Jesus is greater than our sins then case close salvation can’t be lost. That doesn’t mean you can do whatever u want becusse a saved person is convicted by Holy Spirit to refrain from doing things of the world so even though we will not be perfect we have grace whereas the people who don’t accept Christ reject his gift of salvation
I love your teachings and happen to agree with all that you've said except for the once saved always saved doctrine - reason being Hebrew 6: 4-6 "For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt". Unless my interpretation of this passage is incorrect I believe a true believer for whatever reason, can turn away from God and loose their salvation . Continue with the excellent teachings - you are a blessing!
Seems people will overlook this truth. OSAS is a lie from the pits of hell. Lukewarm believers cling to it, because they have tickling ears. They try and make the most high in their image. Anyone who teaches OSAS is a false shepherd, and will answer for it at judgement. People who fall for it are without excuse, because they suppose to study their word.
HalleluYAH Praise YAHUAH Keep working for your salvation. Best of luck to you. Since trusting alone in Christ isn’t enough I’ll go with (Ephesians 2:8-9) and all 60+ verses that deal salvation through Christ alone
God bless you for your comment! I’m reading commentary from my KJV study Bible, and it is saying that in Hebrews 6 this refers to a hypothetical situation of what would happen to a saved person if they could fall away.
I think part of the problem that leads to the controversy is seeing our salvation as something that is already complete rather than that we are "being saved". We can't lose something that is not complete and by the same token we can't fully have it until it is complete. In fact, salvation really has to do with being "made whole" rather than an idea of being "rescued from hell". He who endures to the end will be saved. Certainly by definition the "elect" are secure and the Lord knows those who are his.
““Son of man, tell your people: ‘The good things people did in the past will not save them if they become bad and begin to sin. In the same way the bad things people did in the past will not destroy them if they turn from their evil. So remember, the good things people did in the past will not save them if they begin to sin.’” Ezekiel 33:12 ERV
Jerty Markt this man Shirley knows nothing of predestination!! God chose his own church before the foundation of the earth to conform to the image of his son!
I don't believe quoting Ezekiel 33:13 in response to this is appropriate because the eternal security bro. Allen speaks of is through Jesus Christ... Jesus had not died for us yet
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. Revelation 22:14-15 KJV bible.com/bible/1/rev.22.14-15.KJV
And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 1 John 3:23 KJV bible.com/bible/1/1jn.3.23.KJV
The overcomer will be "saved!! But the one who does not will not be "saved"! His/her name can be blotted out of the book of life!! Revelations chapter 3 letter to the "dead church" James chapter 2 Faith without works is "dead"! if you have dead faith, your are dead spiritually!! so how could you get into heaven?? Just because you said the prayer of salvation years before, you still have "free will and can backslide so far, that you can choose to not repent and find your self in hell!
@@richardbarton6146 James 1: 1 literally says that it's written to the 12 tribes of Israel. Are you a Jew? If you're not - go to Paul. He's the apostle of the Gentiles (and to the Jew first). And he specifically says you're saved by faith and not by works lest any man should boast. As far as Revelations goes read 2 Timothy 1:15. Paul says all which are in Asia are not following his doctrine. Revelation's 7 churches as well could be referring to 7 literal churches in the time of the Tribulation where the dispensation of Grace has passed. 2 Timothy 2:15 - Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. You need to rightly divide the word. Otherwise you'll get a bunch of contradictory verses. All of the Bible is for you to read, but not all of it is *to* you. We're in the Church Age/Dispensation of Grace. Follow Paul your apostle.
I think sometimes while we are going to take some bad decisions and God protects us from doing such things, sometimes we see it sometimes we don't... But I think it has something to do with this video, that his grace is superior and he'll not lose anyone who's really saved I needed to hear those very encouraging and true words . God bless you 🙏
In one of my visitations to hell, Jesus showed me a person who was a Christian (Jesus said “he was a Christian like you”). But the guy unfortunately started sleeping around (1 cor 6:9). He died middle aged and went to hell forever it was dark but Jesus lit up the area, he asked Jesus for another chance but unfortunately it was too late for him, Pretty sad, Repent and ask Jesus to help you with your struggles (James 4:7)
@@walidmoghrabi9022 No, Thank you . Clearly Jesus loves you so please ddont fall into the traap of sin , so stay close to Jesus 1 Corinthians 6:9Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators (Sex before marriage), nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor [b]homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God. Notice its use of past tense, “were some of you” those sins are of the past , you are not a slave of sin but victorious through Jesus
Now you are pointing to the heart of the issue. I have heard arguments like what he is making by Muslims. When someone who was a Muslim becomes an apostate, they would say he wasn't a true Muslim, to begin with. Now Mr. Parr is doing the same exact thing, if you lose your salvation, you were not "truly" saved, to begin with. What about free will? So if you get saved you lose your free will? Just like The Supreme Court of the United States has the last word when it comes to the interpretation of the Constitution, The Magisterium of the Catholic Church has the last word when it comes to the interpretation of the Bible. Imagine if everyone read the Constitution of the United States and interpreted it for himself, we would have 40 thousand different interpretations and counting. “Opinions are like a-holes, everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks.” ― Simone Elkeles
The key to this is separating the flesh from what Christ did. The thought of this question is works centered, anything that points back to us is a sign that we missed the boat. God isn't looking at us, because no matter how well we think we have done anything, it can never be acceptable in His eyes (our most righteous deeds are filthy rags); and so only the perfect death of His Son justifies us of our sins and belief in that is our sanctification
@@kingdomcitizenship5613 what is Paul referring to, in 1 Corinthians 9.27 New International Version No, I strike a blow to my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize
Few false doctrines are more dangerous than the Calvinistic assertion of “eternal security” or “once saved, always saved.” Sadly, this dangerous doctrine flatly contradicts Scripture, and it is commonly used as a smokescreen to justify sinful lifestyles. In other words, “once saved, always saved” appeals to the most carnal leanings of our humanity. It gives false legitimacy for sin, false comfort to sinners, and builds a pseudo-biblical barrier between countless sinners and repentance. Let’s put it this way; nothing can force you to separate yourself from God except you. Satan can’t make you do it any more than he made Eve do it. Eve exercised her free will. Adam exercised his free will. And they both suffered the consequences of their actions. Sin separates us from a right relationship with God, but it does not remove us from the love of God. For example, “…(Romans 5:8).” God loves us even while we are in sin, but to say the cross made sin acceptable is to undermine the cross’s necessity in the first place completely. The phrasing shows Paul’s assumption that believers would naturally understand sinful lifestyles must be discarded after salvation. Furthermore, the apostle Peter calls us to follow in the footsteps of Jesus, (1 Peter 2:21-22).” A few verses down, he underscores that Jesus “(1 Peter 2:24-25).” "...Go and sin NO MORE" (Jesus) James 4:4 You adulterous people, don’t you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God? Therefore, anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God. Wrong understanding of Grace: "Grace gives you the freedom to sin." Right understanding of Grace: "Grace gives you the power NOT to sin." We don’t do good works to become saved, we do good works because we are saved. OSAS is not Biblical. Please study your Bibles vs listen to man.
Yo you spit that from the Bible so clearly💯👀🔥and I would’ve used those same verses plus more!! It is so clear from the Bible when we read it. Glad you know the word women of God🙏🏽
I'd say that yes, once you are saved you are always saved. If, for instance, you continue to live a life of sin (and that of course, is only between you and God, yet can be highlighted by others in love), then I would say that possibility you were never saved to begin with. But even then, we are led into the dangerous territory of, ok so what is the bar? So if someone tells white lies as a 'Christian' and someone else is found to be continually cheating on their spouse as a 'Christian', then who is 'going to heaven'? By our standards, more likely the first person. By God's standards, none of them except if by Jesus which covers all sin, although yes we should still run from it. I pray that makes sense.
@@connorkilby4598 there is a way that seems right to a man, but it’s end is death. It sounds right to our flesh to say that person must not have ever been saved. Unfortunately it’s just not what the Bible says. The Bible says that someone who is truly saved and forgiven can in fact lose their salvation. Jesus taught this in Matthew 18:23-35 when he tells the story of a guy who was forgiven of all of his debt but because he refused to forgiven his fellow servant then all of his forgiveness was revoked. Then Jesus said to his disciples this would happen to them as well if they didn’t obey Him. Check it out and come out of your deception.
@@abideintheWord We find the Parable of the Unforgiving Servant only in Matthew 18:23-35. The Apostle Peter had asked how many times one should forgive, "Till seven times?" and Jesus answered, "Not seven times but seventy times seven" (Matthew 18:21-22). The context of this passage is Jesus teaching His disciples about the "kingdom of heaven." We can take some very important principles from this parable and apply them to our lives today. The servant whose lord forgave him much, ten thousand talents, equivalent to several millions of dollars, was unwilling to forgive another servant who owed him a hundred denarii. A denarius was a day’s wage and was worth approximately sixteen cents. Therefore, compared to what the first servant was forgiven, this was a very small amount. The principle here is, "the one forgiven much should forgive much." In other words, the principle of forgiveness is that grace or forgiveness to another is without limit. The disciples are not to count the number of times they forgive. Rather, as the parable teaches, they are to forgive much because God has forgiven much. In the Parable of the Unforgiving Servant, Jesus is presenting a new principle that is similar to the basis of the forgiveness command for believers found in Ephesians 4:32, "And be ye kind to one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ’s sake hath forgiven you." Jesus is teaching His disciples pre-cross, and therefore in the pre-church age, but the basis for forgiveness is the same. Because God has forgiven us, we are to forgive each other. Therefore, because we have received much grace, "while we were yet sinners Christ died for us" (Romans 5:8), we are commanded to give that same grace to others. In the Parable of the Unforgiving Servant, the first servant’s debt was forgiven, and he was not required to repay until his unforgiving nature was discovered. In contrast, our sin debt was paid in full by Christ and is the only basis for God’s forgiveness. We cannot repay our debt to God or earn our salvation. It is a gift of grace (Ephesians 2:8-9). Therefore, in the Parable of the Unforgiving / Unmerciful / Unjust Servant, Jesus is teaching His disciples, and us by extension, that forgiveness should be in like proportion to the amount forgiven. The first servant had been forgiven all, and he then should have forgiven all. In like manner, a child of God by faith through Christ has had all sins forgiven. Therefore, when someone offends or sins against us we should be willing to forgive him from a heart of gratitude for the grace to which we ourselves are debtors. So, yeah... once your saved.... your always saved. Stop preaching add-ons to salvation 😉
@@ImJsB1 Christ be with you how do you know it's a picture of Jesus? you didn't prove anything he said was true. Thats the way with protestants because of the holes in their doctrine being built on a foundation of apathy Faith alone. Come to Christ
We can break our covenant with God as I did it in year 2020 when I became very interested in the occult and started practicing pagan/occult things. Although the Holy Spirit eventually stepped in to warn me in many ways, if I decided to ignore the Holy Spirit I would have lost my inheritance. See I had to ask for repentance and except Jesus back into my life otherwise I would have been working for the devil. We cannot serve two masters as the Bible says. Therefore, you can lose your salvation.
@Jesus is My Greatest Friend Thank you! That's exactly it! Sin isn't ok, and if we keep sinning in spite of "being saved" there will be consequences. So if the Holy Spirit is truly in us we will wrestle with our sin, try and figure our what our sins are, where we fall short. If we're convicted we'll truly repent. The Lord can miraculously remove our sin but I think sometimes some of it is left for us to wrestle with, because He uses the fight as a tool to sanctify us. But we are supposed to engage. We have to wage war with our flesh. But the conviction to do so is itself a gift of grace, and not everyone does it, because not everyone professing to be saved is truly saved, and not everyone is on the same place on their path of sanctification, and a lot of reasons. But we're supposed to help each other with the fight, and point out dangers and blind spots to each other. All part of our incredible Sovereign God's plan for us.
I believe we can lose our salvation like Judas. He is close to Jesus as one of the apostles and in the end, he turned away from Jesus and committed suicide without salvation.
Supporters of this doctrine usually quote passages such as: “I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand” - John 10:28 Proponents of this doctrine are absolutely correct when they state that salvation is a free gift, but they miss the fact that a gift, even if it is initially accepted, can ultimately be scorned, sullied and rejected. Although no one can snatch you from Christ’s hand, you can wriggle yourself free if you so choose. In the parable of the Prodigal Son, the Son chose to renounce his sonship, leave his home and go his own way. As a consequence of this he became “lost” and “dead” (Luke 15:32). The same spiritual death is open to us if we choose to reject our Father and walk away from our family home.
But that doesn't change the fact that he was still his Father's son. He realized what he did wasn't right and came back. In the same way, just because you backslide from God doesn't mean you're not his child. You are included in the no one Jesus says. We just have to confess our sin and come back to him. But I do understand where you are coming from.
For IF we are faithful to the end, trusting God just as Firmly as when we first believed, we will share in all that belongs to Christ. Notice the word IF. This implies the words if not. What happens IF WE ARE NOT?
The fact that he can literally blot names out of His book of life, tells me that, yes, you can lose your salvation. Oh, but once you’re saved, you’re always saved, doesn’t that just sounds so good? It almost sounds too good to be true 😂
Nothing can separate us from His love but we ourselves can make that choice to separate ourselves. So always deal with you and keep on making the deliberate choice to not separate yourself. Stay focused!!!
@@timothyseals3791 1 John 1:5-7 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
I agree , I believe someone thinking they can lose salvation is very prideful and self righteous,we are saved because of what God did We are not saved by what we do If you are a true believer sealed and regenerated by the Holy Spirit you can't lose salvation God will continue the work he started in you ! Where does the line draw when we lose salvation If you text and drive your sinning If you run a red light your sinning If you go to the store and pick up a item and don't put it back in the right place your Sinning If it's 4:58pm and someone asked what time is it ,if you say 5:00pm your sinning We can't repent of ever single sin that happens if that was the case we would repent ever second of the day If you don't love your neighborhood and God 24/7 your sinning If you over eat your sinning If u spend money you don't have and go into a lot of debt wasting money your sinning The Holy Spirit does most of the work we just follow Are works do matter Works as in "praying,worship,fasting and fellowship" all of this goes along with faith because we do these things to stay close to God God will discipline his real children
Sin is a condition of the heart; not of actions. A sinful heart leads to sinful action. It is willing rebellion against God. Saying it's 5:00 when it is 4:58 is not a sin. That is straining at nats and swallowing camels. And it matters not what people think or believe, it matters what the Word of God says. The truth is not determined by what we believe. There is plenty of scripture pointing to the fact that a person can give away their relationship with God and be damned.
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. Hebrews 6:4-6
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire. 2 Peter 2:20-22
I don't mean to sound argumentive or anything but it is the duty of all Christians to correct and reprove one another. It wouldn't be love if we didn't. Also we are charged by God to be his watchmen and will be held accountable for not giving warning to others. God bless.
cheron buchanon a. "I believe someone thinking they can lose salvation is very prideful and self-righteous, we are saved because of what God did We are not saved by what we do This is interesting since EVERY orthodox teacher, apologist, author, and theologian for the first 1600 years (back to the First Century) taught that Christians could fall away from the faith. Even Augustine and Luther did not believe in OSAS as it is currently taught. Are all of these people throughout history "prideful and self-righteous" Because they did not teach OSAS. Conversely is EVERYONE who teaches OSAS humble and self-effacing? Surely you are not going to make that generalization. b. "If you are a true believer sealed and regenerated by the Holy Spirit you can't lose salvation God will continue the work he started in you" Although you did not cite any scripture this seems to come from Philippians 1:6: "being confident of this, that He who began a good work in you will continue to perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus." If you read this scripture in the context you will see that Paul was not saying that the work God begins in EVERY believer INEVITABLY continue and reach completion. What he said was he was CONFIDENT (or PERSUADED) that it would in the case of the Philippians. Paul went on to give REASONS this belief and none of it had anything to do with a belief in OSAS. In part, his confidence was based upon the Philippian's active long-term partnership with him in the ministry of the gospel "...always making the supplication with joy in my every supplication for all of you, for your PARTNERSHIP in the GOSPEL from the first day UNTIL NOW, He had other reasons as well: "Accordingly, it is right for me to feel this about all of you since I have you in the heart. Both in my chains and in the DEFENCE and CONFIRMATION of the gospel, you all are fellow PARTAKERS OF GRACE with me. (Philippians 1:4-7) c. It looks to me like the Philippians were very well grounded in truth and grace. This is the reason for Paul's confidence that they would continue on in the Faith. He says nothing about a belief that they would continue because of OSAS? If THAT had been the real reason for his confidence then would he have not said so in the passage? Also if OSAS had been the basis for his belief that "the work that had begun in them would continue until the Day of Christ Jesus" then he would have had the same confidence for ALL the believers under his care but he was NOT at all CONFIDENT about whether the Galatians would continue in the faith: "But now, having known God, but rather having been known by God, how do you TURN AGAIN to the weak and destitute principles, to which you desire to be ENSLAVED again anew? 10 You observe days and months and seasons and years. 11 I fear for you, lest perhaps I have toiled for you IN VAIN. (Galatians 4:9-11) If Pauls "labors" had saved the Galatians from damnation and brought them into onto a path that would lead them UNCONDITIONALLY into eternal joy I hardly see how could say his work was "in VAIN." On the other hand, if they were turning backward I could easily see how he would be concerned. Being "enslaved AGAIN" is the inverse from being freed from slavery through salvation. d. "We are not saved by what we do" If by "works" you mean meritorious works of the LAW (like circumcision, eating kosher, keeping feast days) then I agree because these are not required under the New Covenant. It is to this KIND of ACTION that Paul is referring when he contrasts "works" and faith in the work of salvation. However, when James, speaks of WORKS he does not mean this kind of action. Instead, he means "acts of obedience" The word of faith cannot save us unless it is accompanied by an obedient response of the will.
Once saved. always saved, that's the truth. You believe and God's grace saves you. All because of the eternal sacrifice of our Lord Jesus. You made it very clear, Allen. God bless...
augustus plebeian this is a false doctrine taught by Allen Parr and Satan himself. You can lose your salvation. Names are blotted out of the book of life. Please watch this video for the real and scriptural truth. ua-cam.com/video/2W28zs_0ZX0/v-deo.html
I do find it amazing that people use Jude to defend the "always saved" doctrine. V 5 says "He saved the people out of Egypt and afterward destroyed them that believed not (continued not, I Cor 10:1-10)". We know He only saved Joshua and Caleb (but saved ALL the others). Thru rebellion they backslid and were all destroyed. I Cor 10:21 "you cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of devil's", same chapter, same topic, diff example. V 6 The angels IN heaven (without a sin nature) rejected God, followed Lucifer, now Satan, and He condemned them to hell. V 7 Sodom GIVING THEMSELVES OVER ... you know that story. Jude clearly is making the case we can backslide and turn the grace of God into lasciviousness (v 4, depravity, sexual sin extremes). They are TWICE DEAD, whose fruit withers, without fruit, plucked up by the root (v 12). Jesus CAN keep us, and will but not against our will. This is why "snatch" is the key there. We cannot snatch ourselves. He didn't say we cannot NOT MOVE ourselves because we can do what we want. Snatch is from outside. This is why He keeps our steps, guides our way, preserves the Word forever. Stay in it and you are preserved. Sin, if repented of, is forgotten and removed. Jesus told Peter (an apostle, saved) in John 13:8 "if I wash thee not, thou has no part with me". That is extreme and complete. I don't think Jesus was exaggerating to make His point. And in Rev 21:7-8 "he that overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. But the fearful, unbelieving, .... and all liars will have their part in the lake of fire". I don't think he's just saying "sinners" there. 8 follows 7 and we must overcome. Every church (Rev ch 2-3) was told that. Some were told He would take their candle out if they did not return to their first love, Him. They started right and turned away. Peace brother.
You're now making it about your works then rather than about Gods grace, which means that in order to be saved, you need to be like the pharisee and keep the whole law. Good luck, only one managed to do that. I suggest you study the scripture again with those versus in the video. When God saves he saves to the uttermost so that we can have full assurance and confidence, otherwise we're living in constant fear of whether we were good enough, did I sin enough etc etc
@@thehourifirstbelieved3655 - Just read it in context. If the angels in heaven sinned and they did not have a sin nature then why do you think God used that scenario as a reference for us? God can save us to the uttermost and will but not against our will. We get saved by trusting in Christ, we stay saved by trusting in Christ. Live by faith. Live in faith. Live in the Word. I trust the Word, not my works. How can you say you are trusting God but sinning at the same time?
@@redfaux74 because God doesnt wipe out our old sin nature until we die and receive new bodies..that's why he gives us new bodies..because these ones are tarnished with sin. Please read Roman's 6 and 7. When we believe in Christ we become new creatures with new natures..but our old nature is still in our mortal bodies..that's not saved..what's saved is our new nature and 1 john 3:9 illustrates that perfectly..that he who is born of God cannot sin..our new nature cannot sin.. hence perfection..hence being able to enter Gods rest eternally. God bless you..I pray you understand this and begin to enjoy your salvation
@@redfaux74 also..you said we stay saved by trusting in Christ..that sounds like you're trusting on your will and works to keep you saved..if we couldn't earn salvation.then we definately cant keep it..only he can..and he said so himself in John 6:39.
@@thehourifirstbelieved3655 - Please read my comment first. I've read Romans over 50 times. It won't change. Why did the angels in heaven (before Earth was created) sin and God used that to warn us? They didn't have a sin nature yet God warns US not to sin in the New Testament? Using them as an example for us?
Oh i can relax finally thank you sooo much Pastor Parr!!!! I was terrified of going to hell for past sins and i watched you and i feel soooo happy and blessed i repent several times a day sometimes im not sure if i even sinned and i was even getting scared to talk anymore. Im a Christian for a little over a month so im sooo happy i was guided to you! Thank you God, thank you Jesus!!! God bless you Pastor Parr always and forever in Jesus name 👑🕊️👑
BIBLE VERSES INDICATING WE CAN LOSE SALVATION: Galatians 5:19-21: "Now the works of the flesh are obvious: fornication, impurity, licentiousness, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, anger, quarrels, dissensions, factions, envy, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these. I am warning you, as I warned you before: those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God." Hebrews 10:26-27: "For if we willfully persist in sin after having received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful prospect of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries." Hebrews 6:4-6: "Since therefore it remains open for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of disobedience, again he sets a certain day- 'today' ..." 2 Peter 2:20-22: "For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overpowered, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than, after knowing it, to turn back from the holy commandment that was passed on to them." Romans 11:22: "Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness toward you, provided you continue in his kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off." 1 Corinthians 9-10: "Do not be deceived! Fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, sodomites, thieves, the greedy, drunkards, revilers, robbers-none of these will inherit the kingdom of God." Galatians 6:7: "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow." Mathew 25:44-46: "Then they also will answer, ‘Lord, when was it that we saw you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not take care of you?’ Then he will answer them, ‘Truly I tell you, just as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.'" Mathew 7:22-23: "On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many deeds of power in your name?’ Then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; go away from me, you evildoers.’" Mark 10:17-19: "'Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?' Jesus said to him, 'Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone. You know the commandments: ‘You shall not murder; You shall not commit adultery; You shall not steal; You shall not bear false witness; You shall not defraud; Honor your father and mother.’” Mathew 6:14-15: "For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you; but if you do not forgive others, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses." 1 John 3:15: "All who hate a brother or sister are murderers, and you know that murderers do not have eternal life abiding in them." James 2:12-13: "For judgment will be without mercy to anyone who has shown no mercy; mercy triumphs over judgment." Christ love you, brother. I appreciate your humility and kindness! Fr. Dave
You’re leaving out the fact that it’s Gods Spirit that empowers us not to sin and we must cooperate with Him, just because you backslide doesn’t mean you loose relationship with Him, He will correct you in Love... you cannot lose what you didn’t earn..
David Wilkins, sure no problem, I can say OSAS is true because I’ve backslide many times in my past and I’ve always come back to God because He would rebuke me or draw me to Himself.. His great love for us doesn’t depend on anything we can do or can’t do, the whole point of Jesus coming to earth was to save us from ourselves, and keep us.. if we could keep His commandments and salvation on our own then the whole point of Jesus & the Holy Spirit coming down to all people being sealed in our spirit was pointless, if we can go to Heaven because of how good we were, then you can boast before God “look how good I’ve been”, anyway here’s a few of many scriptures... to back up what I’ve stated Jonah 1:1-3 Jonah Tries to Run Away from the Lord The Lord spoke his word to Jonah, son of Amittai. He said, “Leave at once for the important city, Nineveh. Announce to the people that I can no longer overlook the wicked things they have done.” Jonah immediately tried to run away from the Lord by going to Tarshish. He went to Joppa and found a ship going to Tarshish. He paid for the trip and went on board. He wanted to go to Tarshish to get away from the Lord. (And we all know how this ends) Philippians 4:13 I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. Hebrews 12:4-11 New International Version God Disciplines His Children 4 In your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood.(A) 5 And have you completely forgotten this word of encouragement that addresses you as a father addresses his son? It says, “My son, do not make light of the Lord’s discipline, and do not lose heart(B) when he rebukes you, 6 because the Lord disciplines the one he loves,(C) and he chastens everyone he accepts as his son.” 7 Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as his children.(E) For what children are not disciplined by their father? 8 If you are not disciplined-and everyone undergoes discipline(F)-then you are not legitimate, not true sons and daughters at all. 9 Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of spirits(G) and live!(H) 10 They disciplined us for a little while as they thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, in order that we may share in his holiness.(I) 11 No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace(J) for those who have been trained by it. Ephesians 2:8-9 New International Version 8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. Romans 9:16 English Standard Version So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. Romans 8:30 New International Version And those he predestined,he also called;those he called, he also justified;those he justified, he also glorified. Ephesians 1:4 For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love Much love brother
@@EndTimeNazerne I think the important thing in us is, do we have the witness from God that we are saved? Believing the scriptures is not enough. God has to witness it in our hearts. The witness of God will bring peace to our being. Yet we still have to work out our salvation with fear and trembling. Seems contradictory, but it isn't. If mirrors real life. Slack off and trouble looms that hadn't been there and you let it overcome you. Trouble that you had previously dealt with with God's help and leading. James 1:22, also.
True Christianity teaches we don't work to attain salvation because salvation is not of works, but of faith (belief); we work because we have salvation, not to get salvation. Our works give external verification of our inward faith. No works, or lack of works, affects genuine salvation which is solely by faith. DZ
" Once saved always saved " , This is a doctrine that from to the pit of hell by "Calvinism ". No grace without a true repentance ; The bible says: without holiness no-one will see the lord.
@@kah2787 That's the real saving faith right there! As long as you remain on the vine you will bear fruit! You can't bear fruit by yourself! If people would just meditate on this day and night this endless debate would cease!
Thank you Pastor Parr for posting this video! I followed along in a copy of the Holy Bible I have at my residence and I appreciate that you backed up this video with scripture from the books of the Holy Bible! And all of it made sense! My problem is with doubt and has been for a long time but with what you presented and backing it with what the Holy Bible says- I found encouraging and the other day I prayed the sinner's prayer and the prayer of salvation and I don't remember doing those steps when I was younger. I took the time to do so and I hope that my doubt is gone once and for all! Thanks and God Bless!
God through the Holy Spirit has shown me several things relating to the afterlife with the purpose of convincing people like yourself. Stuff like Heaven and Hell, Angels, and evil Spirits the Lord Jesus (not worthy at all), a miracle happened to me that saved my life (thank you God) & so much more. I am more than happy to give further details.
@@timothyseals3791 I'd say that this parable actually proves the opposite, simply because of the response of the Father. And the identity of the son as his Father's child. AND the fact that the son returned to his father and repented. The son never stops being a son, even if he strays away for a while.
@@kia.kikiii The point is not that the son is still the son, the point is that the son was dead at one point then alive again. We are talking spiritually not physically. This is clear when we see that in verse 24 the son was dead(spiritually) then alive again(spiritually). You can not be a son AGAIN spiritually if you were never a son spiritually to begin with.
Raphael Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith. It is a gift of God; not of works, so that no one can boast 1. Grace is God showing mercy on sinners 2. Faith is putting your trust in what Christ did for us which is dying for our sins and his resurrection 3. Gift: is eternal life. The reason it’s a gift because we actually deserve eternal death and separation but God has given us the gift of eternal life through Christ sacrifice 4. Not of works ties in with the gift. We didn’t work for the gift of life. Christ gave it to us when we believe 5. Boast- ties in with both the gift and not of works because we can’t boast on ourselves because we didn’t earn eternal life. Christ gave it to us when believed in His sacrifice I hope this cleared up some confusion
Court JM The gift of God in Ephesians 2:8-9 is not eternal life. It is the grace of God that is referred there as the gift. Read and understand carefully.
Court JM We are called the children of God when we believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. Thereafter we became the children of God, but our place in God as children is only by adoption because of our faith in the Lord Jesus Christ (see Galatians 4:5 & Ephesians 1:5). The Bible said that by nature, we (as Gentiles) are called children of wrath (Ephesians 2:3). We are only saved from God’s wrath when we believe in Jesus Christ, as we are now justified by faith because of his grace (Ephesians 2:8-9). Eternal life does not begin in the present time. It begins at the resurrection (Titus 1:2). It is a false notion to suppose that eternal life ceases to continue, or that a person can loss it because, since it is eternal, that means it can never end. But it can only be eternal when it begins at the time it is given (at the resurrection), not before it is materialized. No believer in the present time has ever had eternal life yet. The Spirit only gave us *”the hope to eternal life”* (Titus 1:2). What believers have in the present time, when they believe in the Lord Jesus Christ is not eternal life, but *THE SPIRIT OF LIFE IN CHRIST.* (Romans 8:2)- and that implies a moral obligation of living a sanctified life before God to obtain the promised life. Proof that we do not have eternal life in the present time is: We can still die and get sick at any time. Adam lost his eternal life when he sinned against God. He died physically and spiritually. The second man borne after the Image of the Lord Jesus Christ will be changed from corruption to incorruption. As it is written-“This corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory”(1 Corinthians 15:53-54). And when shall this change happen? It will happen at the time of the resurrection, *WHEN* “the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed“(v.52). There are two interpretations and conflicting views of eternal life possession- *THE PRESENT POSSESSION* and *THE FUTURE POSSESSION.* So, why does the Bible compliment eternal life as a present possession? Do you know?
Keshaun Bailey great observation. I k ow on the surface it seems like this is saying loss of salvation. I’ll explain when I get a free minute thanks for your question!
THE BEAT by Allen Parr mr.parr I agree wholeheartedly with your video man I think your UA-cam ministry is awesome it has helped me out alot in my walk with Christ I just put that scripture out there for those who would think that Gods grace is a license to sin nothing against you at all my brother
@Keshaun Bailey - I agree. The mistake most people make with Hebrews is that they presume that people receiving knowledge of salvation is the same as people being saved. Anyone who hears the gospel has knowledge of salvation, anyone who knows a Christian will be able to see and experience the fruits of salvation by their relationship with that Christian, but they themselves are still not saved.
If you can lose your salvation when will u lose it ? If u lose it does God take away the Holy Spirit ? And if he takes away when do u get it back I will never have peace believing we "stay saved" by what we do and not what God did the OSAS doctrine isn't about "live in sin and go to heaven " we believe God will finish the work he starts in us we didn't save ourselves God saved us he drew us to himself ...if we keep salvation by what we do we all will fall short ....someone who truly follows God will not fall away permanently
There is no doubt that after watching this video there will be many who will say they were once a christian and now thank God I can sin, and pic all the sins I want to commit and still go to heaven.
Ive read about both agrument about this topic . Yes no one can pluck you on His hands , but Hebrew is also clear about falling away of those who once been enlightened. Im stuck
@@lalajean2975 Satan has deceived many with the statement (you cannot lose your salvation and it is not by works) and he is correct. The trickery of using that statement though is to lead your thinking in the wrong direction. It is not a matter of losing your salvation but a matter of a person giving up their salvation to return to their once father satan and making him their father once again and then dying in that state. A person belongs to and will one day live with only one father (God or satan). And by the way, for anyone else who might read this, my statements here were not about works but rather about sin. God bless you Lalajean, and may you become unstuck by the truth.
you ignored the video then. He clearly requested that you watch the ENTIRE video for a reason! If you are truly saved, you would be convicted of your sin and the Holy Spirit will bring you back. If someone is “saved” and lives in sin with no conviction, chances are they were never saved. Truly born again believers know his promises and are kept by him. “He will hold us fast.” He quoted REAL scripture on this topic, or you can just ignore the scriptures and act like it’s not a part of GOD’s word. Please realize this!!
What about the 10 virgins parable ? They’re a representation of a Christian and they ALL fell asleep waiting for the husband (Jesus) but when they heard He was arriving (most likely the rapture) only 5 of them were wise enough to have oil in their lamps (speaking about an intimate relationship with God. Basically, your gas tank is full lol) and it lights up the way for them to go to the bedchambers. The foolish virgins asked if they could have some of the oil from the wise virgins but the wise ones were wise once more and told them that they needed to go buy some oil for themselves at the market (“pay a price” for that relationship. And I don’t mean we are saved by works. Don’t misunderstand me. But the “price” I speak about is a life of sacrament and intimacy with God in prayer and the reading of His Word). So the foolish virgins left and went to buy oil. But upon their return, the bedchambers were closed and no one else could enter (like the Noah story when the door to the boat was shut.) They knocked and the king (bridegroom) told them to go away because He knew them not ! And He also alluded to them being unclean because of the hour that they were knocking on His door. These were a representation of CHRISTIANS. I strongly believe that if you’re living a righteous life before God then you’re fine. But if you’re a Christian and you continue to sin then I’m sorry, buddy but you can’t be near God cuz He is HOLY. There’s another passage that says that we must have white clothes that is neither stained nor wrinkled (meaning our souls must be clean before Him) and there’s another verse that says that we must be holy because God is holy.
Keep preaching it sister! I have several videos over on my channel warning people about this dangerous doctrine. It’s the same lie of the devil in Genesis 3:4 when the serpent told Eve she could sin and not die. Please check out some of my vids. I think they will be a blessed to you. God bless!
First young brother you look a lot like a younger version of Denzel Washington! With that aside I thank you for the teachings/revelations God gives us! On point! God’s people perish for lack of knowledge... I am over 66 years old and God’s been so good in every season to me and my family! Praise God! God’s face shine upon you and all you hold dear! Amen 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
You see I agree with the scriptures you quote but you don't quote scripture where God clearly says if you do this & this or that you will not inherit Kingdom......etc why? He is not talking to the lost either but Paul speaks to believers, a church..... I am sad so many christians are justifying sin through this weird doctrine and not even trying to work out their salvation with fear and trembling but believe they are OK come as you are...yes you come as you are but as you say in your video how to know you are saved for sure......they don't show these signs still this teaching of OSAS would lead them to believe they are OK......whilst they might not be. I feel we need to get rid of those weird doctrines that help justify sin and encourage holiness as God says BE HOLY AS I AM HOLY, justifying sin not helping be holy at all, in fact christians have more than ever declare we will never be holy....we will never be perfect.... we can't keep commandments etc which is crazy...Jesus didn't give us commandments saying if you love me keep my commandments knowing nobody will or are able to keep them, that is not possible Jesus never spoke like that just to say something.... He said what He meant and He meant what He said...! We don't get saved by works but faith without works is dead. Doctrines like once saved always saved ideally should be broken down by some good scholar to show that this sort of attitude isn't godly encourages and justifies sin and isn't pleasing to God instead we should focus on Holiness and how to please God not justify sin that on it's own will give us reassurance that we are saved and our fruit will show that. Teaching OSAS isn't biblical not OT not NT. God many times in OT got rid of Israel and showed them if they don't change they will perish and He always tried to help them but He never reassured if you continue in sin you will be fine, Jesus also said the same, so I don't know if OSAS id a doctrine to teach.
When Jesus told Mary Magdalene she's forgiven of her sin of prostitution and he told her not to sin anymore.. that proves that once we are saved we should not sin we are chosen ones and if we break that promise it's like breaking a marriage with God..
Huh? The bible says that many will depart from the faith do to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils. All through scripture the possibility of falling away is clear. It is written.
That is Tim.4:1 that in latter times some will depart from the faith. Those who depart from the faith are not truly rooted in the faith, like for example its hard for them to accept the fact that God alone can preserve his saints until the end. The parable of the sower explains it. They don't really belong to the flock with a mind maybe similar to that of Judas Iscariot. Those who return to the faith can be explained by the story about the prodigal son. A deed cannot become a sin unless God will impute it as sin (Rom 4:8, Jn 5:22,27). Rahab the HARLOT justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out the other way. Only the enemy keeps on accusing our brethren of their sins (Rev. 12:10), and our Lord Jesus is always there for them as advocate (1Jn 2:1). That is a mind blowing love of our Lord to those who remain and return in the faith. Christians should have their hearts rest in Christ as He is the Lord of the Sabbath.
Yes, that goes along with the scripture that states in Matthew 7:21-23 '21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ So here, Jesus is speaking about those Professing Believers, but not Possessing Believers. Only those who Possess Salvation will truly do good works in Jesus name. Many will do works in their own will, not the Fathers will. They are false disciples and in the end times they will be seduced by doctrines of devils so that they wont even claim to be doing anything in Jesus name. No matter, they were not true believers in the 1st place. Brother Allen is spot on.
scot pederson yes, I agree. Jesus said he NEVER knew them, he never said they lost their salvation. 1 John 2:19 (KJV) 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. 1 John 3:6 (KJV) 6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. WORKERS OF INIQUITY don’t know Jesus, and he doesn’t know them. Jesus doesn’t lose souls. If a person feels they have their salvation, then they have an improper understanding of the New Covenant. In the Old Covenant the Holy Spirit would leave a person, but in the New Covenant never leaves a person, we sealed to the day of redemption. But those that are truly saved turn from iniquity and sin: 2 Timothy 2:19 (KJV) 19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
What's His Name, so you don’t believe that all your past,present and future sins were payed for on the cross, the reason we ask God for forgiveness of sin is to restore fellowship with God and each time we sin, it doesn’t separate us from God, our guilt and shame makes us flee from God. If one is sinning all the time, he or she might not be a true Christian or this person doesn’t love God as much as this person should, which in turn causes the person to backslide. Sometimes even true Christians act like the prodigal son in a state of an unrepentant heart.
gogentison - Very well said and I’m in complete agreement. I am a prodigal daughter. Thank the Father and Jesus that he still loves us even when we get lost.
A few months after I got baptized a few years ago I fell into sin. I was young, new it wasn’t a good thing but didn’t necessarily think of it as a sin but one day I realized it and for over a year I struggled with it and fell into it. I was so angered as myself and I felt so ashamed. Now, with the help of God I’ve gotten out of it. I feel like I’ve gotten closer to Jesus. The reason I came to this video is because of those years of sin I repeated over and over.
Thank you for your messages, Allen! I learn a lot from your videos and appreciate how God is using you to reach people. On this topic, I’d love to get your thoughts on reconciling the following questions with what you’ve reviewed in this video. 1) If Lucifer was perfect, knowing no sin, already in heaven before God Himself, and could choose, along with many angels, to turn away from God, could we make the same choice as imperfect human beings even after being saved? 2) In John 15, Jesus talks about The Vine and the Branches. He says many times, “Abide in Me.” The definition for “abide” means to “remain in.” With the word, “remain,” does that open a gate that we could leave? Additionally, the branches were already attached to the vine and then ended up not producing fruit; therefore, they were picked off and thrown into the fire. Does this indicate they were attached (I.e. saved), did not produce fruit and then were cut off? 3) In Revelation 3, Jesus speaks to the church of Laodicea. He calls them “the church,” indicating they’re a part of the body of Christ, which means saved. However, He goes on to tell them that if they do not repent of being lukewarm, He will spew them out of His mouth. Does this indicate a saved church that could become lost if they do not repent? Thank you for taking the time to read these questions and hopefully answer, as these are quite confusing!
"For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire." 2 Peter 2 1- Was the sow Washed ? YES 2- Did the seed (word of God) spring to life in a 4 types of soil (Hearts) ? Yes. Did all remain alive in them ? No 3- Likewise the Galatians who reverted back to the Law, Paul says "Christ has become of no effect to you, ye who are justified by the Law, you are FALLEN from grace..." (You cant "fall" from a place you have never been) . Also, How many peoplw are saved of whom it can be stated " Christ has become of No effect"...??? God Bless
@David Justice For if, after they have ESCAPED the defilements of the world by the KNOWLEDGE OF THE LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. (2 Peter 2:20) a. The text does not say the SEEMED to have escaped. If a person escapes a defilement it means that the inner causes of that defilement has been dealt with. b. Earlier in the same letter the Apostle explains exactly HOW people "escape the corruption of the world" and it is not through the law: 3 His DIVINE POWER has given us everything we need for life and godliness THROUGH THE KNOWLEDGE of Him who called us by His own glory and excellence. 4 Through these He has given us His precious and magnificent PROMISES, so that THROUGH THEM you may become partakers of the divine nature, now that you have ESCAPED THE CORRUPTION in the world caused by evil desires. (2 Peter 1:3-4) c. Which scripture PROMISES escape from corruption? Well, Jeremiah 31:31, speaking of the New Covenant, says: "But this is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD. I will put My LAW in their minds and inscribe it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they will be My people. (Jeremiah 31:33) d. The DIVINE POWER that enables us to realize this promise is For if, after they have ESCAPED the defilements of the world by the KNOWLEDGE OF THE LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. (2 Peter 2:20) a. The text does not say the SEEMED to have escaped. If a person escapes a defilement it means that the inner causes of that defilement has been dealt with. b. Earlier in the same letter the Apostle explains exactly HOW people "escape the corruption of the world" and it is not through the law: His DIVINE POWER has given us everything we need for life and godliness THROUGH THE KNOWLEDGE of Him who called us by His own glory and excellence. 4 Through these He has given us His precious and magnificent PROMISES, so that THROUGH THEM you may become partakers of the divine nature, now that you have ESCAPED THE CORRUPTION in the world caused by evil desires. (2 Peter 1:3-4) Which scripture PROMISES escape from corruption? Well, Jeremiah 31:31, speaking of the New Covenant, says: "But this is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD. I will put My LAW in their minds and inscribe it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they will be My people. (Jeremiah 31:33) The DIVINE POWER the Holy Spirit enables us to realize this promise is the Holy Spirit b. These passages say nothing about our trying to keep the law in our own strength. Escape from pollution and corruption happens when the Holy Spirit by His divine power writes the "knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ" on our hearts. The people Peter is talking about could not have escaped the world without the Holy Spirit.
Seems to me the people who think a person can lose their salvation are people who either A: do not know what being born again by the Holy Spirit means or B they don't know the doctrine of rewards.
This is the third video of yours I have watched and the first one I disagree with...respectfully. Now, I'd like to believe once saved always saved. It sounds very comforting, but there are scriptures that contradict this: Philippians 2:12 tells us to "...continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling." This is not a scripture in favor of works. I do not believe we are saved by works by any means. The emphasis is on the "fear and trembling." If you're OSAS, then what do you have to fear losing? What fate do you have to tremble to think of? Also consider the many parables and scriptures in which God tells us to be ready for His coming, to not be caught unprepared. Think of the virgins and lamps in Matthew 25. But the scripture that illustrates this the most is in Matthew 24:42-51 (I'll slim down a bit but I encourage anyone reading this to read the whole passage): "(24) Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come...(46) It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns...(50) The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. (51) He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place w/ the hypocrites where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." So the servant was caught slipping and was assigned in a place that sounds a lot like hell. If we are OSAS, why do we need to stay vigilant? Why do we need to regard the working on our salvation w/ fear and trembling? Christianity is not a religion of complacency, and therefore neither shall we be. ----------------------------------------------If you're curious, here's some qualms I have w/ some of your arguments:-------------------------------------------- John 10:28-29 "...No one will snatch them out of my hand..." So you said "No one" includes us, and to think otherwise is to add to the scripture. But if we're going to stick to semantics, then go all the way. Replace "no one" with "the believer in question": "The believer in question will not snatch them(selves) out of my hand..." How can one snatch their own self? You can only snatch an object. This scripture is referring only to a third party. We may be assured that a third party (the devil, a bad influence, etc) can't snatch us away, but a believer may surely walk away from God. As for your omniscience of God argument--I do believe in God's omniscience--but the question 'Why would God save somebody if He knows they're going to turn away from Him?' doesn't account for Judas. Are you saying Jesus chose a non believer from the get to be a disciple? Would that mean Judas didn't have a choice but to betray Jesus?
Hello, I have two questions that I'll ask respectfully. 1) If you walk away from God completely after He saved you, does that mean that we have the power to undo what God has done, thus showing that God can be thwarted by His own creation? Job 42:2 says, "I know that You can do all things, and NO purpose of Yours can be thwarted". 2) If someone professes faith in Christ and they're going to church and youth and doing all of these Christian things (so to speak) and they look saved, but they walk away from God, isn't that an indication that they were never saved to begin with? Jesus said in Matthew 7:22-23, "Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'". Notice Jesus said that He NEVER knew them. In other words, they were never saved, there was no intimate relationship AT ALL. He never knew them, and they never knew Him. 1 John 2:19 says, "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us". For the context of 1 John 2, John is speaking of those who appear to be Christians but then they reject Christ. So if someone professes faith in Christ, but then they walk away from Him, or reject Him which is essentially what they're doing, John is saying that they were NEVER saved to begin with. Last note: If someone professes faith in Christ, they claim to have met Jesus and they appear to be a Christian, but there is no change in that person's life (not speaking of an instant change, but a change overtime) and there is no desire for God, no love for Him, no pursuit of holiness, then that person was never saved in the first place, I would argue. It is 100% IMPOSSIBLE to meet Jesus and not be changed. I'm looking forward to your response. God bless!
Marcie chan Allen Parr is wrong on this doctrine. You can lose your salvation. Names are blotted out of the book of life. Here is the real and scriptural truth. ua-cam.com/video/2W28zs_0ZX0/v-deo.html
Yeah but you misunderstood something, you are saved by grace through faith, your faith is justified by your works,so you are not saved by your works but by faith but the faith is justified by your works.
Joshua Robert yes, I already know that but my mind isn’t totally made up one way or the other. I’m still researching it but I definitely know you are not saved by works. Im leaning towards the once saved always saved doctrine but I can’t understand how you remain saved if you go out a mass murder 30 women and children.
James 2:24 You see that a Person is considered righteous by what they DO and NOT BY FAITH ALONE. ua-cam.com/video/vJo1OZcLtlA/v-deo.html Best bible passage to refute once saved always saved. ua-cam.com/video/ssyA82Khka0/v-deo.html Millions of fake christians get wrong about Ephesians
This is a good example of how someone speaking quickly and confidently can seem to be spouting the truth. There is nothing here that is convincing when you stop and think about it properly. All those quotes can legitimately be interpreted quite differently than what you are hearing here.
I really believed Matthew chapter 7:21-23 plays a good role in this doctrine. "Not everyone who says to Me, Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!" Important things to take note: 1. They prophesied in the name of Christ. 2. They cast out demons in the name of Christ. 3. They do miracles in the name of Christ. And we wonder why Jesus said to these people to depart from Him for He never knew them. These verses refer to the believers of Christ. Not to the unbelievers. I guess this is just a matter of being a genuine conversion or false conversion. Those people who believe they accepted Christ as their Lord and Savior yet still doing the wicked ways. In other words, there wasn't a genuine spiritual birth that took place. Once saved always saved doctrine are only exclusive to those who are genuinely converted to Christ, not to those people who thought they are genuinely converted yet still living in a sinful way of life. They are the people who will hear the words "depart from me I never knew you" someday.
I don't know for you, BUT for me, LORD YHWH JESUS knows me and presents HIMSELF to me in the O.T.... Only if you have the Spirit of Christ you will see The WORD in the O.T. as the GOD YHWH walking in the Garden of Eden (Genesis 3:8), comes to Jeremiah and even TOUCHED him (Jeremiah 1:4-9), comes to Ezekiel and start to speaks (Ezekiel 7:1) etc............ NEVER means NEVER ! I hope my Savior - the Almighty Son of God YESHUA knows you and your loved ones! ✝️
Joshua Eliaquim Ramos 123 you mentioned ties with works as well which doesn’t save. Christ paying the debt to our sin is what saves us. Not trying to please the lord If you’re not OSAS you’re not trusting in Christ alone to save you. But trusting in yourself(works) to save you
True. He does discipline them. But he always allows man to have free will. So if man decides by his free will to reject the sacrifice for sin (Jesus) after accepting Him, then a man can be "unsaved". There's also evidence in scripture such as Revelation 3 that a person's name can be removed from the the book of life. If that is not getting unsaved, then what do you call that?
@@outofnaija Wrong, you can have free will but the Holy Spirit dwelling inside you will convict a saved person. That´s why saved Christians remain relatively obedient. The people that don´t believe OSAS were never saved to begin with. If you are constantly questioning your salvation every time you sin, you don´t have the Holy Spirit in you.
@@iicecourt00 Same thing. Your sins are paid for, past, present and future. Including, rejecting Christ. Any sin is actually a form of rejection. You don´t lose the Holy Spirit once it is in you know matter what you do. John 10:28. People like to quote Hebrews 6 to counter OSAS but there are many videos/ evidence about how it is taken out of context from what precedes it. If you reject OSAS, you are undermining everything Jesus suffered on the cross for us, and then start relying on your own obedience to get you to heaven. Your obedience is not what saves you. Eph 2:8-9. In addition, If you think you can "unsave" yourself, you are doubting God´s sovereignty, by thinking we as mere humans can fool God into giving us salvation by faking our own repentance and returning to a life of sin. A lot of OSAS deniers, bring this point up a lot. We cannot fool GOD! Hope that answers your question. God bless.
All Christians OUGHT to be Apologists.We ought to know how to ARTICULATE what Christianity is and is not!!! May God Enlighten and Empower us in His Truth in Jesus name. Amen. G😊d Bless you!!
VICTOR BARAHONA Once saved always saved is biblical. The reason why lordshippers don’t understand that is because they take verses out of context instead of reading verses in the context
VICTOR BARAHONA Trust me. I was just like that until I took the time to pray and read the verses carefully in its context. 1. You have to read verses in its context 2. It’s important to understand the difference between Jesus ministry to the Jews while he was on Earth verses Paul’s ministry to Jew and Gentiles after Christ’s ascension. Paul mainly preached to Gentiles. You know why because the rest of Israel rejected Christ salvation message. One example of a misinterpreted verse: Hebrews 10:26. For if we deliberately keep on sinning after we received the knowledge of truth. There no longer remains a sacrifice for sins. First things first: 1. Hebrews are Jews according to the OT. 2. Paul said “we" in deliberately sinning. Including himself. So based on that we know all sins committed are deliberate 3. The knowledge of truth is Christ. So obvious😂 4. "There remains no sacrifices for sins." Now this is a hard verse to interpret just reading it alone That’s why you have to go back a chapter or two to see what the sacrifices are talking about. It talks about animal sacrifices throughout chapter 8 and 9. So that verse is applying to animal sacrifices that don’t cover sins since Christ died for our sins. I encourage you to read the book of Hebrews to find out that truth. God bless bro🙏🏾
Court JM read this in context... 19 They promise them freedom, but they themselves are slaves of corruption. For whatever overcomes a person, to that he is enslaved. 20 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. 21 For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them. 22 What the true proverb says has happened to them: "The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire." - 2 Peter 2:19-22
What does being truly saved mean??? Once saved God doesn't take away our free will, Otherwise the Judgment Will be biased!! So long as we are still alive in this planet, Satan will still continue tempt us and if we cut loose of our connection with Jesus we gonna Fall
Can you explain the 7 churches of revelation about Luke warm church laodicea...why did Jesus say this then revelation 3:5 “He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.” Revelation 3:5 “Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.” Revelation 3:10 KJV A little bit off topic here but this is showing that the whole church is not going in the rapture...once saved always saved can’t be true
D M yes I’m familiar with dispensationalism but these scriptures I’m putting here apply to the church the body of Christ...so where did I wrongly divide
Rev 3:5 is the promise to the true believers who overcomes. Remember the book of life was written from the foundation of the world Rev 17:8. God is not holding a pen and an eraser writing and deleting people’s names on daily basis from the book of life. There are 2 kinds of believers, false believers and true believers. False believers are those who hear the word and not do it, I.e. it’s those who build their house in a sand Math 7:26, when trial comes, they easily fall! True believers are those who hear the word and do it, i.e. their house is built upon a rock (Jesus Christ), when trial comes they NEVER fall! Math 7:25. The Bible is very clear, true believers, who hear the word and do it, will NEVER fall! For they are built upon the rock and nothing can separate them from the rock!
1 Corinthians 3:16-17 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
True we are saved, how ever we do back slide sin and break fellowship with God. Then we must repent to restore the fellowship. We do NOT lose our and grace of God. Proverbs 14:14. Proverbs 28:13. Hebrews 10:26-31. ...Isaiah 1:4-5. ...Isaiah 1:18-20. ...1 John 1:8-10. ...Hebrews 6:4-6. ...Matthew 24:11-13.
Whosoever believeth in him, believeth suggest ongoing. You must continue to believe. You must not turn back. You must stay in the race and abide in the vine. You can't take yourself out of the vine or church but God can and he will if you turn back. You are wrong ! You can lose your salvation! There is no such thing as once saved always saved! Bro Harrison, minister
Yes, exactly right. This video doesn’t explain Revelation 3:4. Clearly their one’s who soiled their white garments were saved. That’s why they had white garments to begin with.
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No that's not true you are not always saved cause people backslide so when you backslide people have repent to be right with God when you get saved you can't do what you want then expect to keep your salvation
You are wrong you can't do want you want and still stay saved God says you can't have two God's he say you got to pick you mean you can drink and still have salvation no you have left and you lose your salvation
That is why salvation is free through faith and apart from works. Because the moment I attach Works to It, I have created conditions for you to receive it. All faith does is ask, "do you want it?" (Ephesians 2:8~9)
The whole predestination thing is kind of unavoidable since God knows all things. Also, none of us deserve to be saved, even though God wishes for all of us to come to repentance. God saving souls like like God is a man giving $5 to everyone he meets. Not everyone is gonna want the $5, and some are going to want it but will not get it, and some will want it and will get it, and get to keep it. The man (God) giving $5 (salvation) is out of generosity, not out of obligation, and when he's done giving it away, he's done. Those who refuse the $5 are those who refuse salvation, those who wanted it but didn't get it are those who are what many say "false converts", and those who get the $5 are those who are actually saved. And the man isn't just gonna take the $5 away from you. It's yours to keep once you got it. Now this analogy isn't perfect as one could spend or lose the $5. But that is where one passage in Scripture comes into play. God's salvation is a gift to all who wish to receive it. And God's gifts cannot be revoked. It can't be taken away from you. It is unbiblical to assume or conclude that anything can separate you from God once you are sealed.
TheGravityShifter I don’t think its predestination I think it’s so much as having foreknowledge I do believe God predestined heaven and hell but I don’t think He predestined people to reject or believe the truth. Let’s use Peter for example. Jesus told Peter He will deny Him 3 times before the rooster crowed. Peter denied Him as He stated but Jesus didn’t determine that to happen to Him but He foreknown it. To predestine something means to carry something out the way you want it to happen Foreknowledge means to predict something in the future before it occurs. Free will is the ability to make choices on your own. I believe foreknowledge and free will ties hand and hand with God and humans.
@@iicecourt00 Predestination isn't just some doctrine we made up, just to assure you. It's right in the Bible. It is true that God has predestined certain individuals to accept the Gospel and become followers. The only reason a lot of people object the idea of this truth is because they feel it's unfair. Angels that didn't rebel against God are his Elect Angels. Therefore he's determined that the Angels who serve him are the ones he's chosen already. And those who come to Jesus Christ as our Savior, are his elect. If you put your faith in Jesus, you are his elect. Unlike God, we don't know what he's predestined to who. So it's our job to make sure we are the ones who are predestined. Those who willingly reject God and hate God and couldn't care less to be with God are people who are predestined to die without God. Even though God has predestined individuals, we still have a choice of our own to accept or reject Jesus. It's unbiblical to say God would reject people. Besides, God looks at time differently than we do. We look at time in a linear way, God sees time as if everything already happened. Time flows ever forward but he knows how everything ends and who will be saved. So it wouldn't make sense to already know who's gonna be saved or not and not have the ability to choose who those people will be. Cuz then that undermines God's sovereignty over all the things he has made. It would also contradict his Omniscience.
Court JM if Got For-knows without predestining, then He isn’t sovereign, and that creates lots of problems that indicate He’s not the God of the Bible. he knows all things AND ordains (predestines) all things for good. Even the killing of His beloved Son was a horrid act of evil, that He used for ultimate good, exactly like Scripture says. 😊👍🏻
I would have to disagree my brother in Christ. I didn't want to do a full dissertation so I'll just go point-by-point.My first scripture as evidence is Hebrews 10:26-31 [26]For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, [27]But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. [28]He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: [29]Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? [30]For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. [31]It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Knowing the truth doesn’t equal salvation. Romans one tells us we all know the truth but we suppress it. James 2 tells us the demons know the truth and they tremble. I believe the only way you can lose your salvation is if you can gain it. I don’t believe you can gain it. Salvation is a gift of God. Salvation is of the Lord.
@@johnbluefeld5030 you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. and this is eternal life, to know the one true God and Jesus Christ. There is a difference between knowing in your head and knowing in your heart.
Graft Me Graft Me I Agree. We are saved by knowing in our hearts which the spirit of God awakens in us. I was commenting on the use of Hebrews 10:26 to say that we can lose our salvation. But I don’t believe that we can lose our salvation. The writer of Hebrews says that there is no sacrifice for sins if we willfully sin after having knowledge of the truth but that can be interpreted a number of ways. The main point for me is the writer of Hebrews, although we don’t know who it was, most theologians agree that it was the apostle Paul. And so the same person who most likely said after we gain knowledge of the truth in Romans says that we all know the truth but we suppress it. So everyone has gained knowledge of the truth so I interpret that as head knowledge so Hebrews 10:26 is not saying that you can be saved and lose your salvation. Our hearts are transformed through Christ and by His Spirit. And our minds are then renewed through studying his word.
That is a lie from the pit of hell. The bible says he that endures to the end shall be saved . So, you can loose your salvation if you turn away from God. No, God will never leave you . But you can and many do leave God. Read the bible and you will see you are not once saved always saved.
No one is sealed secure until in the AGE of heaven. Even angels fell before Creation. Christ said - John 10.26-28 'But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you. 27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they FOLLOW Me. 28 And I GIVE them eternal life, and they shall never perish; IN THAT AGE, never shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.' Heretics removed 'in that age' from the verse. Parables - Sower's Seed, Build on Rock. Heb 6.4-6 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good Word of God and the powers of the AGE TO COME, 6 and then FALLEN away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame. Eph 2.6-7 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the HEAVENLY places in Christ Jesus, that in the AGES TO COME He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. (Like Catholics/Mary - Baptists have many inventions: Can't Fall, Sinner's Decision Prayer, prohibit wine, dancing). 1Tim 2.12-14 And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.
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@@spnola9650 I know what the bible says I do not follow people videos .The bible is my guide and I get all the infomation I need from it.So you need to study the bible.
@@charlesstubbssr8353 Your ignorant that's why the video I shared are the readings of the greek text. Straight from the word of God. If you don't understand what you read then your spiritually immature.
Remember the children of Israel in Exodus whom God delivered from Egypt but eventually didn't get to the promised Land but were rather destroyed in the wilderness.. If you are born again, you must work your salvation with fear and trembling., otherwise you will find yourself where did not bargain. Like Paul said, " I put my flesh under, I bring into subjection, lest after I might have preached to others, i myself will be cast away. Remember not all that left Egypt entered Canaan. The book of Exodus is replete with profound revelation and insights to warn present day believers not to toy with their salvation. Wherefore, if ye be in Christ, walk ye in Him ". May His name be praised forevermore.
There is a reason why Jesus Christ said,"He who endures to the end will be saved". Revelation tells us, if anyone takes away from the prophecy of that book, God will take away that person's name from the Book of Life!! So yes... a person can lose his salvation.
Jesus' work on the cross is 100% sufficient to cover your sins but if you don't live in obedience and in faith he won't be your Lord. Jesus said: "Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say? Listen to what Jesus says. He is not your Lord if you don't do what he says; even though you may call him your Lord.
The doctrine of *"once saved, always saved"* was *invented by John Calvin during the Reformation.* Under this theory, the Protestant believes that one is saved when he accepts Jesus as personal Lord and Savior. This is comforting - after all, who wouldn't want assurance? According to this view, true Christians are the ones who will persevere to the end. For those who accepted Christ during their lives but did not persevere to the end, the doctrine calls these people superficial Christians. So true Christians will go to heaven and superficial Christians will not. Not only is this teaching not Scriptural, it is difficult to accept the teaching on reason.
@@AlexAlex-ij3mz : You can start with quoting me a Bible verse that says "Once Saved, Always Saved". and I will show you a verse from the Bible that disapprove of this view of Salvation. I mean think about it from a logical point-of-view. If you believe in once saved, always saved then that means you're entitled to killing, robbing, adultery, etc etc because you're SAVED!. Jesus NEVER said such thing.
@@salachenkoforley7382 Eternal security isn't a license to sin. It would be like saying since your parents love you no matter what, you should disrespect them for fun since they will never stop loving you.
There is a very simple problem with the dogma of “once saved, always saved.” That problem is that it is just not biblical! The truth is, the dogma of “once saved, always saved” is part of the doctrines and commandments of men. Consider Matthew 15:1-20; Mark 7:1-23 → Galatians 1:6-20 and II John 1:7-11!
Hey Allen God Bless You ! But what about when we are in the End Times, and the Word says many will fall away from the faith and they will be given over to their reprobate minds. Wouldnt that be a cause for losing our Salvation?
@Kingdom Minded I think that will definitely happen. I think the mark of a true Christian is the hatred of sin and the conviction that they have when they sin. But to your point I think people will fall away from the faith but the question is then were they ever really believers? I’m not sure but all I know is that those who have Gods spirit should keep listening and following and you’ll never go wrong!
Being turned to a reprobate mind doesn't mean losing salvation. No where does it say that. It just means you're so deep in your sin that you've seared your consciousness. If you were previously saved in the Church Age you are always saved - even if you later fall into reprobation. Look at 1 Corinthians 5: 1 - 5. A man who slept with his father's wife, a sin so severe it was even condemned among pagan Gentiles, Paul says to give him over to satan for the destruction of his flesh (*so he can be saved spiritually at the Lord's coming*)
@@quentoncollins8861 a reprobate mind enables you to decide whats good or bad and so it interferes with repentance Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do things which are not convenient. Then it tell us these types of persons have reprobate minds, the fornicators, adulteres etc will not inherit the kingdom of God. That is a persons willingness to keep doing this types of sin so how can a carnal Christian always be saved? Also Matt 7:15 You will know them by their fruits. The man paul talked about was giving poor testimony but why would paul say that and not instead kick him out and let him continue living for he will be saved anyway? I believe paul wanted to save him before sin will take over eventually and end up with a reprobate mind that he kept on sinning till his heart would become hardened Rev 3:16 So, because you are lukewarm neither hot nr cold i am about to spit you out of my mouth. 1 cor 9:27 But I discipline my body and keep it under control, so that after I have preached, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize. Sorry for the english I hope you can understand what im trying to say her
@@jesusmyonlyking2685 If you need another example of unrepentant Christians look at 2 Corinthians 12:19, 21. Someone who has addictions isn't going to instantly be cleared of that issue. In fact those sins and the gift of repentance is what enables the Holy Spirit to come and be sealed within you the moment you believe on Christ's finished work and his blood atonement, but that doesn't mean you can't back slide because of addictions or lack of self-control over various lusts. 1 Corinthians 6: 9, 11 Using Jesus' words in Matthew is functional, but can't be applied universally because 1. Jesus came only to the lost sheep of Israel, 2. He was preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom which is completely different to Paul's Gospel of Grace which we are under now, 3. What I said above. You can't always necessarily identify someone who's saved. A reprobate mind doesn't enable you to decide what's good or bad. It's literally where God stops convicting you or trying to call you and turns you over to your sin in hopes you'll eventually return to him once you let that sin destroy your life. The reason Paul left him up to the destruction of the flesh is because the individual - once saved - has backslid to such a degree that he was willing to do a deed that even the Godless cultures of Gentiles considered a no-no. At this point he's a danger to everyone else around him. It's the same reason God decides to strike people dead assuming they're too far gone and will just lead others astray. Revelation 3:16 is judging a church collective - not an individual. A church has to be judged on its works clearly because that's its entire intention with soul winning and edifying believers - through works. 1 Corinthians 9: 27 is referring to him losing a crown per 1 Corinthians 9: 25. Salvation is a gift from God - not by works per Ephesians 2: 8, 9. To imply that Paul himself isn't even sure if he'll obtain eternal life - the greatest apostle - flies in the face of verses like Romans 10: 9 and 1 John 5: 13. The Bible is pretty clear that the Dispensation of Grace is a know-so salvation.
Christ be with you the Holy Spirit is only a guarantee if we do not grieve him with sin *And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, in whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.* Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, with all malice, and be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you. Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children. And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God. *But immorality and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you, as is fitting among saints.* Let there be no filthiness, nor silly talk, nor levity, which are not fitting; but instead let there be thanksgiving. Be sure of this, that no immoral or impure man, or one who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. (Eph 4:30-5:5) please read the bible and not just proof texts you have been given God bless you
With all due respect I disagree with the doctrine "once saved always saved" it is unbiblical because one can fall away from The Most High GOD's grace after receiving the gift of salvation. Not my thoughts, feelings but biblically, John 15:1-7, Hebrew 6:4-8, Hebrews 10:26-27,35-39. This doctrine was an idea of Augustine of Hippo(354-430) remember the bible has to be read in context not into the text (eisegesis) we read out of and not into when one read into the text it creates ones on presupposition.
Ariel I agree. And just to add to your argument I don’t see why this would be in scripture as well if it weren’t true. “For when they speak great swelling words of emptiness, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through lewdness, the ones who have actually escaped from those who live in error. While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by whom a person is overcome, by him also he is brought into bondage. For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: “A dog returns to his own vomit,” and, “a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.”” II Peter 2:18-22 NKJV
@@iicecourt00 We believe in Christ work on the cross but the bible is very clear that the wages of sin is death and the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom. Every time you willingly choose to live in sin you repeatedly nail christ to the cross. He died for our sins so that we could live in it no more because sin seperates us from God. Don't justify sin nor say its okay. Once saved always saved is not biblical
just saw your vids recently talking about this. one thing you know something or someone truly came from God, is his preaching is consistent from beginning to now as to how God is the same from before and now. Amen!
I hope you consider this view, because I think this is an important topic. "They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off." Ro 11:20-22. For the first 1500 years of Christian history no one taught eternal security as described by the doctrine of PotS. John Calvin was the first. Not even St. Augustine (who Calvin derived most of his teachings from) taught this doctrine. All of the ante-Nicene ECFs expressly taught against such a doctrine, labelling it as gnostic teaching. There are way too many passages of scripture that imply one can lose their salvation by rejecting their faith for me to believe in such a thing: 1 Timothy 4:1, John 15:5-6, James 5:19-20, 1 Cor 15 1-2, 1 Timothy 4:16, Hebrews 3:12-19, 2 Peter 2:20-22, Mathew 24:10-13, James 1:12. Even the parable of the sower in Matthew, Mark, and Luke speaks of one who receives the Gospel with joy and "believe for a while", but in a time of testing fall away. It seems hard to read a few pages of NT scripture without finding a warning about falling away.
Steve Cedeno you are being decieved, but then you probably want your ear tickled, please go to honest news Network with brother Joseph Skinner God bless you.
nosha dean yep, Steve is deceived. You can lose your salvation. Names are blotted out of the book of life. This is the real and scriptural truth on the once saved always saved doctrine. ua-cam.com/video/2W28zs_0ZX0/v-deo.html
Bro Allen to say we ourselves cannot be snatched out of God's hands takes away our free will. We can choose to follow Christ or not. Notice the "IF's" by the Apostle Paul: IF we deny Him, He will also deny us 2 Tim 2:12. ...(and set apart for His purpose) IF you hold firmly to the Word 1Cor 15::2. ...IF you continue in His kindness - otherwise you too will be cut off. Rom 11:22...IF you continue in the faith Col 1:23 ...we will reap IF we do not give in. Gal 6:9. Also Matt 12:43-45 and 2 Pet 2:20-22 As for the predestination theory I agree God chooses certain people to do certain things but they still have power of choice. Some people boastfully say they are chosen by God --where does that leave the rest of us? Jesus said come unto me ALL who are weary and heavy laden and I will give you rest Matt 11:28 I believe God predestined what holy people would be like Rom 8:29-30 hope this doesn't sound like an argument and I agree with you we shouldn't argue for unbelievers are looking and listening and becoming more and more indifferent to Christianity. Thank you and God bless you.
Under the Gospel of the Kingdom, which Christ commanded His twelve disciples to preach to the Jewish people of Israel & Judah, it requires endurance to the end (Matthew 24:13), whereas under the Gospel of Christ, revealed by Christ directly to the Apostle Paul, (Ephesians 3:2) as the revelation of the mystery, which is also the hidden wisdom (1 Corinthians 2:7), salvation requires simple faith (Ephesians 2:8 & 9) and not works, thus provides assurance and eternal security( 2 Timothy 2:11-13)
Debatable topic. I would use caution here. I've met a couple people who were devoted Christian, then i saw them a couple years later and they wanted nothing to do with Jesus. I can't explain why
When you are genuinely and truly saved by grace through faith, then you are sealed by the Holy Spirit. (Ephesians 1:13-14) A seal is an evidence or proof that God owns you and therefore, will never throw you being His child into hell and the lake of fire. Never! for doing so will make Him not a good God and loving Father at all.❤
I think there's a huge miscorrelation here. Salvation is not about being saved and sinning. But about believing to the end. We were saved because we respond by faith in God's offer of salvation. Unless, God forced us to believe in Him, then He can Forced us to remain in Him and will be saved 'till the end.
In one of my visitations to hell, Jesus showed me a person who was a Christian (Jesus said “he was a Christian like you”). But the guy unfortunately started sleeping around (1 cor 6:9). He died middle aged and went to hell forever it was dark but Jesus lit up the area, he asked Jesus for another chance but unfortunately it was too late for him, Pretty sad, Repent and ask Jesus to help you with your struggles (James 4:7)
Great video & points. Very sound. When Jesus said “it is finished,” He meant it...entirely. So yes, when we come to Faith...when we truly come to Christ, He will by no means let us go! I think what trips people up is not really understanding your point #4 on perseverance. Many people think that once “they’re saved” they can no longer sin. So they are unrepentant and unforgiving. The hard truth there is if that’s the case, they are also not Christian. It’s still true that the don’t “lose” salvation, for they cannot lose something they’ve never truly received. The point of perseverance is KNOWING that we are children of God. Knowing by ensuring. And I go in greater detail about that in this video: The Best Way to Make Sure You’re a Child of God ua-cam.com/video/5jH5ZZ9TKWk/v-deo.html May the Lord continue to bless your vocation!
it's also a matter of growing and maturing, and God's ( Elohim) sanctification and purification work in us, Romans 8:28 -30 and 1 John ch 1 - 3 apply here, be blessed.
Jah Bread. I guess you have been listening to the lies of Joseph Prince or the like (flatterers/offering sweet things/ idolatrous money hoarders-worshipers). When Jesus said it was finished, he meant that all the things prophesied of him in the OT had came to past. That is what NT scripture states. All was not finished as Jesus said he would send the comforter (Holy Spirit) with further instruction for the church. If all was finished there would have been no reason for Paul and the other apostles to instruct the church as to what Christian doctrine was. Some would like for it to have been all finished so they would not have to obey the instructions of the Holy Spirit through the apostles teachings to the church.
2 Timothy 2:19, ESV: But God's firm foundation stands, bearing this seal: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of the Lord depart from iniquity.”
In my personal walk with christ, there have been times I have backslid, however, just in those backsliding time when my fleshly spirit did the things that didnt agree and life started to take a turn for the worse, God never gave up on me he sent laborers on the way and put me in circumstances where i had no choice but to turn back to him. Granted it is a growing process because my backsliding was a result of getting sucked in by the lies of the enemy and i fell farther into sin but i didnt originally intend to sin. Each time when he restores me and pulls me back i grow in knowledge of him. To me it reminds me of when God starts a work in you hes gonna finish it.
God bless
Jon Singleton i think possibly i said it wrong i always have asked God back into my life and repented and rededicated my life at those times but I dont think God gives up on his people. However people give up on him and what he says.
Jon Singleton I have followed much of your thread and it appears that you are striving hard to debate with others to prove them wrong because you believe you have it all down, drawn out and put together. Brother, if you want to talk about something Biblical your talking it, it’s that biblical term Pride. To assume your position is dangerous and you should confess this area of your life to Jesus Christ and allow Him to rid you from this.
Even this young woman who gave a testimony of how she walked away from God and was like the prodigal daughter and God pursued her in her backslidden state is the Agape love of God Almighty. I to walked away for sometime, but God never gave up on me. I came back praise God, because He didn’t want me to stay in that backslidden state. God is merciful to us all, and none of us are even worthy enough to deserve this gift of salvation that he offers freely to us. Some of the greatest apostasy that’s running rampant in the church today are self righteous people preaching a message that they themselves aren’t even able to live or abide by. They walk in arrogance and great pride like they have arrived. The fact is, none of us have truly arrived. We are always being changed and transformed to be more like Him. We must be teachable because the moment we stop, Pride takes the lead.
Jenna Montgomery i can relate on the back sliding.
Jenna Montgomery Amen.
Jenna Montgomery when you sin it is always because you intended to do it or it wouldnt be a sin, it would be ignorance
If you could lose your salvation, YOU WOULD lose your salvation! None of us are strong enough to keep something so precious. (Ephesians 1:13)
EXACTLY!!
Yes!
@Rardd5 Yes...
Amen
Terrance Tisdale “and what is the immeasurable greatness of his power toward us who believe, according to the working of his great might”
Ephesians 1:19
I think it was meant as a closing statement. Like we can’t kept salvation on our own and thank God for it bc it’s His great power at work in us who He saves. At least that was how I interpreted it
Wrong understanding of Grace: "Grace gives you the freedom to sin."
Right understanding of Grace: "Grace gives you the power NOT to sin."
No one can NOT sin, only God. That's why he sent Jesus to die for our sins. Otherwise we are all doomed to damnation and this life is pointless.
@@ReadyToFly24 God helps us not to sin but if we sin we have advocate with the father
Grace or not--we STILL carry sin within our souls.
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Jesus said:"Not everyone who calls me Lord shall enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but only those who do the will of my father in Heaven".
Continue reading the verse. Later in it he tells the accursed "I NEVER knew you". He NEVER knew them. They didn't lose their salvation. They were never saved to begin with.
@Barry Gaynor, yes. People consider themselves saved and don't do his will. Thus salvation is conditional.
@@KeeperOfThe10 no he was speaking of the Pharisees. People who never accepted Christ but use his name for “image”. What you just said is blasphemy
John 6:40 end of discussion
@@KeeperOfThe10 the only condition that salvation is based on is whether or not someone truly believes. the point of that verse is that there will be people that claim to believe in Jesus but don’t in their hearts. not that ppl have to do good works
I have been in the faith for over 10 years. My experience has been: the more I learn, the more questions I have. All in all, I hope God will humor me cause we need to talk. Lol
Questions are a good thing friend!
My grandfather used to tell me that someone who doesn't have questions is someone who doesn't care to know.
James 2:24
You see that a Person is considered righteous by what they DO and NOT BY FAITH ALONE.
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Best bible passage to refute once saved always saved.
This channel will solve your questions.
Love it! :)
I am not sure the life is one if no questions. Look at Job for example.
@@patriciaulbricht3643 Don't just read scripture study it and learn what it says about salvation. Watch both these videos and visit the main channel for the rest of the bible. ua-cam.com/video/WTr76C2sxIM/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/3GnK0xndBkA/v-deo.html
I use to do meth and I was addicted to alcohol and I almost died in my sins, I seen different kinds demons with my own eyes scared me to death and I knew in my spirit I was heading for hell for sure I cried out to God like Jonah and he had Mercy on me, I wouldn't want to test this once saved always saved thing to the end.... If I had not cried out to the Lord im convinced I would be in a place to horrible to imagine.. Whoever digs a pit will fall into it Proverbs 25:27
Amen.
Apostle Paul
Preach Apostle Paul. God bless brother🙏🏾
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@@labae8728 Your anti-Catholic sentiments are quite wrong and you need to get your facts right. If you really believe in praying to Jesus for yourself (in the way you seem to be trying to articulate, i.e. excluding intercessors), then logically you would have to condemn "Christians" for asking their fellow "Christians" to pray for them, in order to be consistent. Catholics do pray to Jesus directly, by the way. You need to stop all the anti-Catholic garbage and make consulting this information your number one priority. Your version of Christianity is a counterfeit, and is unhistorical and unbiblical. The Catholic Church is the original Church and you need to belong to it for eternal salvation. Before you dismiss this information by saying you only stick with the Bible, you should know that the very term "Bible" as applied to the books of the Old and New Testaments, comes from St. John Chrysostom, who was a fourth century Catholic bishop. This fact was acknowledged by Protestant scholar, F.F. Bruce. You can see more about this in the video, The First Use of The Bible: ua-cam.com/video/ly137br9ctY/v-deo.html
Also, the Catholic Church decided what books were to be in the Bible, so you don't even have a Bible without the Catholic Church. The Bible did not fall out of the sky intact. It was put together by the Catholic Church, which is the Church Jesus established (Matthew 16:18-19). You can't be a follower of Jesus unless you accept all of His teaching and hear His Church. That only happens in the traditional Catholic faith. Additionally, if you're one to label the Catholic use of statues as idolatrous, then your problem would be with God and the Bible, because God specifically commands the making of religious statues. The Bible does not condemn the use of true religious statues and images. See Exodus 25:17-19 below (and keep in mind that cherubim are angels):
And thou shalt make a mercy seat pure gold: two cubits and a half the length thereof, and a cubit and a half the breadth thereof. And thou shalt make two cherubims gold, beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat. And make one cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end: of the mercy seat shall ye make the cherubims on the two ends thereof.
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Wow Allen. This is awesome. I love how you ended the video, we must focus more on our purpose here than arguing about different beliefs. You couldn't have said it any better. God bless you brother.
Thanks so much for watching and for your comment Stephan van der Westhuizen! God bless,
@@thebeatagp I would like to discuss this OSAS teaching with you brother
@@thebeatagp For our time on earth, God gave us free will ! If you chose to leave, he will not force to stay !
@@thebeatagp most people only look at the extremes (getting saved every day, or never losing your salvation) ! the truth is you can never lose it, but you can give it away by openly denying the Lord Jesus Christ, Hebrews 6 4-6 clearly indicates this, also Matthew 4:37 ! But the mark of Christian maturity, where you can not be restored is a high bar, also in Hebrews 6 4-6 !
I think we gotta define what it means to be “truly” saved and “truly” Christian
Acts 16:30-31
Christ be with you
Jesus does that for us
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. (John 13:34-35)
Act 16:30-31 is not what it means to be Christian
It is mere the first step.
then we must learn about his teaching
And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.
And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway. (Acts 16:32-33)
Anyone who tells you a Gospel that does not tell us we must abide in this doctrine of Christ is a partaker of Evil.
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds. (2 John 9-11)
(Please read the rest of 2 John to see this is the doctrine being talked of )
God bless you
@faith grace
Christ be with you
So you think Jesus is wrong.
Romans 4 is referring to works of the law, circumcision, animal sacrifice, cleansing rituals, holy days and dietary requirements not Good works.
It appears most Protestant so not know what faith is.
Abraham's promise came through faith (Rom 4:13) but is was kept because he obeyed God ( Gen 26:4-5)
If you read more than the proof text you would see that faith must establish the Law (Rom 3:31)
I think you should look at what faith in Jesus Christ means to you.
I would also look at the gospel you follow as it sound like it does not contain the doctrine of Christ, and that would make it evil ( 2 John 9-11)
Please read more than just proof texts and find the true Gospel.
God bless you
Being saved is to simply give your mind body and soul to God to do that you must know the truth about his word the correct revelation and he has to give it to us we can’t get it just by reading the Bible he has to reveal it to us
@@johnward2650 I agree. I just think we have been conditioned by modern church for us to stop at just that statement and our actions don’t necessarily follow. And based off of this video that clear distinction was not truly made.
As a pastor who once was miles from God and knowing I was not covered by His mighty grace any longer, I believe with such an important doctrine where people’s eternal security rests, the topic needs much study to support such a stand. I appreciate your efforts here to help other believers.
For the record, I don’t believe that God throws us out but rather humankind has free will. So if someone decides to reject Christianity years later and live a satanic life or just godless existence, then why would this person deserve to live with Jesus in heaven when he clearly didn’t want to live with Him here?!
I think in order to decide upon and to preach a doctrine, you need firstly not to find scriptures that support your view especially if the are plenty of scriptures saying the opposite.
I would like to hear you overcome the many parables, warnings and teachings all through the Bible before we disregard and ignore clear teachings in the word. Especially when we are warned not to preach a foreign gospel or add to the word.
Here are just a few;
1. 10 virgins, 5 that don’t make it and yet all are called and waiting
2. Unforgivable sin against the Holy Spirit where there is no forgiveness. Why would you need this if not saved.
3. Parable of talents, 1 slothful servant of God
4. Rebukes to seven churches, return or have your lamp stand put out
5. Matt 18 dealing with conflict in the church, last move to put the person outside under Satans control so that they maybe saved
6. Tasting of the heavenly gifts and partaken in the Holy Spirit but falling away there is no forgiveness of their sin
7. Rev 12 leave the out Court worshipers
8. Prodigal son, was he restored if he stayed in the pig pen of life?
There’s plenty more. What are your thoughts?
Pastor Nathan i agree with you
Amen!
Yes I agree with you, people need to speak IN CONTEXT the scriptures. Point is God keeps us as long as long as we want to be kept!
Luke 2: 62- Noone who puts his hands to the plow and looks back is fit for the kingdom of God.
Thats just one scripture going against what he said. People please study and know the Bible for yourselves.
No hate and evil towards this brother but at the end of the day. We have to stay in line with the grace God has given unto us. Apply the principals of the Bible.
When I backslid, if I would have died in my sin I would have gone to hell, its as simple as that. God's grace kept me alive to allow me to come back to Him. But many dont get that chance. Long story short. Know the Bible for yourselves people!
Please. You said at the end of your comment that there are plenty more where those came from. I'd be interested in seeing them.
So far, none of these you have listed say anything about anyone losing salvation after being in Christ while being used in context.
Of course if you separate them from context and study them as stand alone verses, then yes. I guess you can make the argument that it's possible to lose salvation if you twist the meaning to fit a certain view.
But in context, none of these support losing salvation.
Study scripture as a whole. Not as individual verses.
Pick one from your list and let's discuss it with scriptural support.
@@djohnson3093
"But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die."
Ezekiel 18:24 KJV
Word of God! ✨ It's said clearly. It clearly says that the "righteous" (who are the ones that are justified) can lose everything that they had done if they turn away from their righteousness... All of their righteousness won't be even mentioned. A righteous can fall and lose salvation.
This is such an encouraging message I’ve been a Christian for almost 10 years and am sometimes disappointed with the areas of my life that aren’t in-line with God, but then I remind myself at least I’m not where I was before, and that highlights all the things the lord has help me overcome or at least improve on.
Christ be with you
its false
Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
*For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die:* but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. (Rom 8:12-13)
St Paul is speaking to people who are no longer debtors telling them it the return to sin they will die
God bless you
Michael, you’re absolutely right. Our spirit is righteous with God, but we still have these corrupt physical bodies, and will fall short from time to time. Some sins are more easily put behind us than others. Physically, we don’t just “step over a log” into perfection. 👍
@@MrKev1664 Their flesh will die surely but if saved their spirit will live forever with Jesus.
@@winterpatriot1429 100 percent correct.
@@gregorylatta8159
Christ be with you
It’s a pretty dumb response
Everyone’s flesh dies, there would be no point in these words.
You are trying to deny what St Paul is teaching.
Talk about twisting his word to your own destruction. (2 Peter 3:15-16)
Come to Christ
Love you brother, but you misquoted scripture. You said, “All that the Father has given me, I will not lose one” (7:50). That’s not what the Bible says and is very misleading. The Bible clearly says that it is the WILL OF GOD that He does not lose one. Big difference. It’s also the will if God that none should perish, but that all should come to repentance; but the will of God is not always accomplished.
It pains me to see this doctrine promulgated as it is. There is a great apostasy coming (2 Th 2:3, 1 Tim 4:1, Mat 24:9-13) and we should be warning believers as the Bible does (Heb 3:12, for example). Instead, many are receiving false assurance because of teachings like this.
Hal Chaffee Thank you for using Scripture to back up what I believed. It is so important as teachers of Scripture that we rightly divide the word of truth. The Scriptures are the final authority on which we base our beliefs. But if our beliefs are based on a misinterpretation of the Scripture we’ll continue to teach it incorrectly. I knew there was a Scripture about the great falling away. And that falling away refers to the Saints. This supports the idea of being able to forfeit entering into the kingdom of God by our own choice.
@@granitarichardson5156 the falling away does NOT refer to those who are born again! It has to do with the rampant false teachings that will take place, but it doesn't mean believers lose salvation. What does HAVE eternal life mean?
John 10:28-29. "neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand" because "my Father, who gave them to me, is greater than all "
Graft Me
Depart from the faith means one had it, therefore, lost it. No faith no salvation.
@@jamesjeson556 I don't believe it is speaking of those who are born again because the next verse says that those who depart from the faith were liars, having their conscience seared, etc. 80% of Americans claim they are of the Christian faith, but that doesn't mean they are born again. We see many departing from the teachings of the faith and are believing lies, but they were never OF the faith. If one truly believes eternal life is by the grace of God through faith in that grace, they would never depart. The problem with those who believe they can lose their salvation is that they don't actually put their faith in Jesus Christ. They put it in their own ability. Those are ones who will depart from the faith because they never really believed the Gospel.
The Bible says when you accept the Lord as your Saviour, you are Sealed with the Holy Spirit of Promise until the day of the Redemption of the purchased possession. You cannot lose your Salvation.
Again, I agree with you 100%. I would add that if a person thought he or she was saved then rejects God later in their lives, then I would have to question their salvation in the first place. But I believe rejecting God and backsliding are two different things. We can’t make the judgement of a persons salvation because we can’t see into a persons heart, their salvation or lack of salvation is between them and God.
And this is my dilemma! I posted a comment about this but it was a lot longer than yours lol
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Rejecting Christ is by unsaved people but backsliding is by a Christian. However the word backsliding/backslide is not found in the New Testamant.
@@waynenorumu5485
It doesn’t matter if backsliding is in the Bible or not, it is the concept or idea. The Trinity isn’t in the Bible either but most all Christians believe in the concept/doctrine.
How can u determine that.people leave there faith all the time.
"...Go and sin NO MORE" (Jesus)
@Natalie Arlene Jesus, "the same today, yesterday and forever"... Twist that.
@Natalie Arlene "Little children sin not..." (Jesus). Is that twisted too? I can keep quoting for you, These were from Christ Himself...
@@lonleyndn Jesus didn't change, but His covenant did!
@@graftme3168 Everything that I have quoted is from The New Testament friend...
@@lonleyndnGod said in the Old Testament that He would make a new covenant that is not like the old Covenant. And, that is what He did when Christ died and rose from the dead. The new testament tells us that we can't live by the old covenant but by the new. It tells us that living by the old covenant will bring death, but living by the Holy Spirit brings life. So, to say that the covenant hasn't changed is exactly contrary to what scripture tells us.
Hebrews 10:26
For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins
Call upon the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be SAVED! ua-cam.com/video/3Qe2iQE2ImQ/v-deo.html
The willful sin was that of not believing that faith in Christ is all you need to be saved, that you had to go do something else to earn your salvation.
@@Keef220D I think that's the thing. It means you don't believe in Christ so how can you be saved
@@Keef220D What would have happened to Abraham if he had stood on his faith only and refused to go where God sent him? Faith without works is dead and wil not save us. Faith in Christ only is like saying God I trust in You but I don't have obey You. I don't have to walk in the good works you prepared in Christ Jesus for me to walk in. I will, instead, just have faith that that command just pertains to crowns and rewards and not eternal life. Salvation is ALL grace but that grace contains a call to obedience that goes beyond faith alone and requires our freewill to cooperate with God's calling. God bless.
@@godislove7410 Yes, I agree, we must first believe in Christ but then we must also f/u with repentance, batpism and a deisre and willingness to obey and to endure till the end in doing so.
This was sooooo uplifting !!! I'm crying ! Thank you for doing these important videos! I love how you provide proof thru scripture ! I will never lose my salvation ! God Bless You sir!
Hi Allen, I will reply to this, as you asked - with a scripture. I think it speaks well enough for itself:
"For it is impossible to BRING BACK TO REPENTANCE (Meaning there has been one previously), those who were once enlightened - those who have experienced the good things of heaven and shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the power of the age to come - and who THEN TURN AWAY from God. It is impossible to bring such people back to repentance; by rejecting the Son of God, they themselves are nailing him to the cross once again and holding him to public shame.
When the ground soaks up the falling rain and bears a good crop for the farmer, it has God's blessing. But if a field bears thorns and thistles, it is useless. The farmer will soon condemn that field and burn it."
Hebrews 6:4-8
Exactly. All the other scriptures I am seeing in the comments do not at all confirm that you can't turn away. These people are too eager for grace and not eager enough for the truth.
We are studying this now. The parable about the fig tree is another example. It must bear [righteous] fruit or it will be cut down. But people will believe what they want to believe.
Ok, Buddy, ( good channel, I respect what you are doing) I just started watching this video and had to comment at 1:42 already ( and I will continue to watch afterward). You preface your statement of "once saved always saved" by saying; " Once you become a GENUINE follower of Jesus Christ ". THAT is where the issue begins in my humble opinion. We need to all have the same definition of what is a "Genuine follower of Christ' . 2 John in verse 8 says " 8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.( end) Now, with that being said. Some people's experience in being saved involved nothing more than a guy asking someone " Are you saved?" and the person says " No". "Would you like to be"? " Yes". Then say this prayer and yahoo they are saved and they give it no thought ever again. To some, that is the experience that they have based their salvation on. That person may think that they are saved, but in reality, are they? Real salvation is when I fall to my knees and submit my will to the higher authority of God, telling him that I realize that on my own I have NO chance of salvation and that I accept the Blood of Christ to cover me and my sinful nature. Some people think that the prayer is like a magic spell or that God changes sin so it is not sinful anymore, FALSE. God changes the sinner and real faith is a faith that works and creates fruit. I am really studying this hard right now. We are surely saved by faith and the grace of the Lord but we do not still just wallow in our sins, we still wallow in sin because we have a sinful nature but we do not keep sinning ON PURPOSE and expect God to be happy with that can we? God made law and the penalty for breaking it was and IS death. So now when we become Christian we can break it with no consequence? Did Christ die so I could keep on sinning? This once saved always saved doctrine is a slippery slope. Every time I pray for clarity on these issues It seems God is telling me that the law is only dead for SALVATION. I will close with this my Friend and continue with the video, in Revelation when Jesus comes back, what does He find? It says He finds a one-world government, a one-world currency, an APOSTATE one world church and a remnant.. a remnant of His true believers that " Keep the commandments of God AND the faith of Jesus!
Amen,Amen,and Amen........
Thee first person to break it down so simply for the confused people in the back.... Amen! Yes Lord use him! Your studying shows... GOD Bless!
Amen. Listened to the first 30 sec just to make sure you said Yes, once saved always saved!
Bro.Parr I really enjoy your videos you are a great teacher! But I have to disagree with you on this subject... you forgot to mention the one thing God with all of His omnipotent and infinite power cannot or He will not do... and that's go against a person's will! Read Ezek. 33:11-20 I likened this to that of the angels they had the right or the freedom to choose but were not offered the gift of salvation. God didn't go against the angels will nor does He go against our will" God doesn't want robots! No one spoke more emphatically about hell then Jesus himself and those who are going there and what it takes to miss the mark. There are too many scriptures to mention that support how a person could choose to lose their salvation" the bottom line is those who practice lawlessness and if they don't repent of their sinful backsliding ways and die in their sin they wont see heaven's gates.
Jay Jameson Amen
Jay Jameson sounds like alot of hard work. I hope you're good enough.
JWatson1769 but why you keep calling him fool, I don't get that part brother?
No one is perfect, even the disciples wondered who would be saved. Truth is, Christians are not perfect either, we slip and fall, make mistakes etc. etc. but a genuine Christian will ALWAYS return to God. That is the work of the Holy Spirit.
You reference an Old Testament scripture as opposed to New Testament when Jesus fulfilled mosaic law.: so if you disagree with Alan parr then you believe sins are greater than gods atonement and promises of salvation for those who are committed to believing in Jesus? If you think Jesus is greater than our sins then case close salvation can’t be lost. That doesn’t mean you can do whatever u want becusse a saved person is convicted by Holy Spirit to refrain from doing things of the world so even though we will not be perfect we have grace whereas the people who don’t accept Christ reject his gift of salvation
I love your teachings and happen to agree with all that you've said except for the once saved always saved doctrine - reason being Hebrew 6: 4-6 "For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt". Unless my interpretation of this passage is incorrect I believe a true believer for whatever reason, can turn away from God and loose their salvation . Continue with the excellent teachings - you are a blessing!
Seems people will overlook this truth. OSAS is a lie from the pits of hell. Lukewarm believers cling to it, because they have tickling ears. They try and make the most high in their image. Anyone who teaches OSAS is a false shepherd, and will answer for it at judgement. People who fall for it are without excuse, because they suppose to study their word.
Read some commentary on that verse
HalleluYAH Praise YAHUAH Keep working for your salvation. Best of luck to you. Since trusting alone in Christ isn’t enough
I’ll go with (Ephesians 2:8-9) and all 60+ verses that deal salvation through Christ alone
God bless you for your comment! I’m reading commentary from my KJV study Bible, and it is saying that in Hebrews 6 this refers to a hypothetical situation of what would happen to a saved person if they could fall away.
I think part of the problem that leads to the controversy is seeing our salvation as something that is already complete rather than that we are "being saved". We can't lose something that is not complete and by the same token we can't fully have it until it is complete. In fact, salvation really has to do with being "made whole" rather than an idea of being "rescued from hell". He who endures to the end will be saved. Certainly by definition the "elect" are secure and the Lord knows those who are his.
““Son of man, tell your people: ‘The good things people did in the past will not save them if they become bad and begin to sin. In the same way the bad things people did in the past will not destroy them if they turn from their evil. So remember, the good things people did in the past will not save them if they begin to sin.’”
Ezekiel 33:12 ERV
Jerty Markt this man Shirley knows nothing of predestination!! God chose his own church before the foundation of the earth to conform to the image of his son!
I don't believe quoting Ezekiel 33:13 in response to this is appropriate because the eternal security bro. Allen speaks of is through Jesus Christ... Jesus had not died for us yet
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Revelation 22:14-15 KJV
bible.com/bible/1/rev.22.14-15.KJV
And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1 John 3:23 KJV
bible.com/bible/1/1jn.3.23.KJV
Of course good deeds will not save those who begin to sin: good deeds will not save anyone. Only Jesus Saves.
Salvation is permanent, but we hv a responsibility to repent and asked for forgiveness.
If salvation is permanent than why do you have to repent?? or ask forgiveness??
Salvation doesn't stop sin..I repent out of obedience bc I'm still sinful. Salvation stop sin from being a barrier between me and God.
The overcomer will be "saved!! But the one who does not will not be "saved"! His/her name can be blotted out of the book of life!! Revelations chapter 3 letter to the "dead church" James chapter 2 Faith without works is "dead"! if you have dead faith, your are dead spiritually!! so how could you get into heaven?? Just because you said the prayer of salvation years before, you still have "free will and can backslide so far, that you can choose to not repent and find your self in hell!
R u making a statement or asking a question 🤔
@@richardbarton6146 James 1: 1 literally says that it's written to the 12 tribes of Israel. Are you a Jew? If you're not - go to Paul. He's the apostle of the Gentiles (and to the Jew first). And he specifically says you're saved by faith and not by works lest any man should boast.
As far as Revelations goes read 2 Timothy 1:15. Paul says all which are in Asia are not following his doctrine. Revelation's 7 churches as well could be referring to 7 literal churches in the time of the Tribulation where the dispensation of Grace has passed.
2 Timothy 2:15 - Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
You need to rightly divide the word. Otherwise you'll get a bunch of contradictory verses. All of the Bible is for you to read, but not all of it is *to* you. We're in the Church Age/Dispensation of Grace. Follow Paul your apostle.
I think sometimes while we are going to take some bad decisions and God protects us from doing such things, sometimes we see it sometimes we don't... But I think it has something to do with this video, that his grace is superior and he'll not lose anyone who's really saved
I needed to hear those very encouraging and true words . God bless you 🙏
In one of my visitations to hell, Jesus showed me a person who was a Christian (Jesus said “he was a Christian like you”). But the guy unfortunately started sleeping around (1 cor 6:9). He died middle aged and went to hell forever it was dark but Jesus lit up the area, he asked Jesus for another chance but unfortunately it was too late for him, Pretty sad, Repent and ask Jesus to help you with your struggles (James 4:7)
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 I'm surprised you are replying 2 years later after my comment, I don't know why but thank you
@@walidmoghrabi9022 No, Thank you . Clearly Jesus loves you so please ddont fall into the traap of sin , so stay close to Jesus
1 Corinthians 6:9Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators (Sex before marriage), nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor [b]homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
Notice its use of past tense, “were some of you” those sins are of the past , you are not a slave of sin but victorious through Jesus
@@walidmoghrabi9022 Clearly Jesus loves you, stay close toHimin this dark world
I believe the real question that gets confused with this subject is have I truly been re-generate it
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Now you are pointing to the heart of the issue.
I have heard arguments like what he is making by Muslims. When someone who was a Muslim becomes an apostate, they would say he wasn't a true Muslim, to begin with.
Now Mr. Parr is doing the same exact thing, if you lose your salvation, you were not "truly" saved, to begin with.
What about free will? So if you get saved you lose your free will?
Just like The Supreme Court of the United States has the last word when it comes to the interpretation of the Constitution, The Magisterium of the Catholic Church has the last word when it comes to the interpretation of the Bible.
Imagine if everyone read the Constitution of the United States and interpreted it for himself, we would have 40 thousand different interpretations and counting.
“Opinions are like a-holes, everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks.”
― Simone Elkeles
The key to this is separating the flesh from what Christ did. The thought of this question is works centered, anything that points back to us is a sign that we missed the boat. God isn't looking at us, because no matter how well we think we have done anything, it can never be acceptable in His eyes (our most righteous deeds are filthy rags); and so only the perfect death of His Son justifies us of our sins and belief in that is our sanctification
@@kingdomcitizenship5613 what is Paul referring to, in 1 Corinthians 9.27 New International Version
No, I strike a blow to my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize
@@philipbuckley759 Honestly, I think Paul was boasting in his flesh here a little bit. Because he completely contradicts himself in Romans 7:15-20.
Oh praise the LORD!!!.🙏🙏❤ We are sealed for eternity... by the HOLY SPIRIT... by GODS grace alone...through CHRIST alone. AMEN AMEN AMEN.
Few false doctrines are more dangerous than the Calvinistic assertion of “eternal security” or “once saved, always saved.”
Sadly, this dangerous doctrine flatly contradicts Scripture, and it is commonly used as a smokescreen to justify sinful lifestyles. In other words, “once saved, always saved” appeals to the most carnal leanings of our humanity. It gives false legitimacy for sin, false comfort to sinners, and builds a pseudo-biblical barrier between countless sinners and repentance.
Let’s put it this way; nothing can force you to separate yourself from God except you. Satan can’t make you do it any more than he made Eve do it. Eve exercised her free will. Adam exercised his free will. And they both suffered the consequences of their actions. Sin separates us from a right relationship with God, but it does not remove us from the love of God. For example, “…(Romans 5:8).” God loves us even while we are in sin, but to say the cross made sin acceptable is to undermine the cross’s necessity in the first place completely. The phrasing shows Paul’s assumption that believers would naturally understand sinful lifestyles must be discarded after salvation. Furthermore, the apostle Peter calls us to follow in the footsteps of Jesus, (1 Peter 2:21-22).” A few verses down, he underscores that Jesus “(1 Peter 2:24-25).”
"...Go and sin NO MORE" (Jesus)
James 4:4
You adulterous people, don’t you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God? Therefore, anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.
Wrong understanding of Grace: "Grace gives you the freedom to sin."
Right understanding of Grace: "Grace gives you the power NOT to sin."
We don’t do good works to become saved, we do good works because we are saved.
OSAS is not Biblical. Please study your Bibles vs listen to man.
Yo you spit that from the Bible so clearly💯👀🔥and I would’ve used those same verses plus more!! It is so clear from the Bible when we read it. Glad you know the word women of God🙏🏽
Glory to God. This doctrine is leading many away you said it. I’m exposing this wicked false doctrine over on my channel. Check it out and be blessed!
I'd say that yes, once you are saved you are always saved. If, for instance, you continue to live a life of sin (and that of course, is only between you and God, yet can be highlighted by others in love), then I would say that possibility you were never saved to begin with. But even then, we are led into the dangerous territory of, ok so what is the bar? So if someone tells white lies as a 'Christian' and someone else is found to be continually cheating on their spouse as a 'Christian', then who is 'going to heaven'? By our standards, more likely the first person. By God's standards, none of them except if by Jesus which covers all sin, although yes we should still run from it. I pray that makes sense.
@@connorkilby4598 there is a way that seems right to a man, but it’s end is death. It sounds right to our flesh to say that person must not have ever been saved. Unfortunately it’s just not what the Bible says. The Bible says that someone who is truly saved and forgiven can in fact lose their salvation. Jesus taught this in Matthew 18:23-35 when he tells the story of a guy who was forgiven of all of his debt but because he refused to forgiven his fellow servant then all of his forgiveness was revoked. Then Jesus said to his disciples this would happen to them as well if they didn’t obey Him. Check it out and come out of your deception.
@@abideintheWord
We find the Parable of the Unforgiving Servant only in Matthew 18:23-35. The Apostle Peter had asked how many times one should forgive, "Till seven times?" and Jesus answered, "Not seven times but seventy times seven" (Matthew 18:21-22). The context of this passage is Jesus teaching His disciples about the "kingdom of heaven." We can take some very important principles from this parable and apply them to our lives today.
The servant whose lord forgave him much, ten thousand talents, equivalent to several millions of dollars, was unwilling to forgive another servant who owed him a hundred denarii. A denarius was a day’s wage and was worth approximately sixteen cents. Therefore, compared to what the first servant was forgiven, this was a very small amount. The principle here is, "the one forgiven much should forgive much." In other words, the principle of forgiveness is that grace or forgiveness to another is without limit. The disciples are not to count the number of times they forgive. Rather, as the parable teaches, they are to forgive much because God has forgiven much.
In the Parable of the Unforgiving Servant, Jesus is presenting a new principle that is similar to the basis of the forgiveness command for believers found in Ephesians 4:32, "And be ye kind to one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ’s sake hath forgiven you." Jesus is teaching His disciples pre-cross, and therefore in the pre-church age, but the basis for forgiveness is the same. Because God has forgiven us, we are to forgive each other. Therefore, because we have received much grace, "while we were yet sinners Christ died for us" (Romans 5:8), we are commanded to give that same grace to others. In the Parable of the Unforgiving Servant, the first servant’s debt was forgiven, and he was not required to repay until his unforgiving nature was discovered. In contrast, our sin debt was paid in full by Christ and is the only basis for God’s forgiveness. We cannot repay our debt to God or earn our salvation. It is a gift of grace (Ephesians 2:8-9).
Therefore, in the Parable of the Unforgiving / Unmerciful / Unjust Servant, Jesus is teaching His disciples, and us by extension, that forgiveness should be in like proportion to the amount forgiven. The first servant had been forgiven all, and he then should have forgiven all. In like manner, a child of God by faith through Christ has had all sins forgiven. Therefore, when someone offends or sins against us we should be willing to forgive him from a heart of gratitude for the grace to which we ourselves are debtors.
So, yeah... once your saved.... your always saved. Stop preaching add-ons to salvation 😉
What a Godly man! I love what God is doing through you brother! Tim.
Christ be with you
surely you saw how false this is
come to Christ
@@MrKev1664bro that’s funny because you have a false Christ profile picture
@@ImJsB1
Christ be with you
how do you know it's a picture of Jesus?
you didn't prove anything he said was true.
Thats the way with protestants because of the holes in their doctrine being built on a foundation of apathy Faith alone.
Come to Christ
We can break our covenant with God as I did it in year 2020 when I became very interested in the occult and started practicing pagan/occult things. Although the Holy Spirit eventually stepped in to warn me in many ways, if I decided to ignore the Holy Spirit I would have lost my inheritance. See I had to ask for repentance and except Jesus back into my life otherwise I would have been working for the devil. We cannot serve two masters as the Bible says. Therefore, you can lose your salvation.
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You just posted that the Holy Spirit saved you. Negating everything you said.
@Jesus is My Greatest Friend Thank you! That's exactly it! Sin isn't ok, and if we keep sinning in spite of "being saved" there will be consequences. So if the Holy Spirit is truly in us we will wrestle with our sin, try and figure our what our sins are, where we fall short. If we're convicted we'll truly repent. The Lord can miraculously remove our sin but I think sometimes some of it is left for us to wrestle with, because He uses the fight as a tool to sanctify us. But we are supposed to engage. We have to wage war with our flesh. But the conviction to do so is itself a gift of grace, and not everyone does it, because not everyone professing to be saved is truly saved, and not everyone is on the same place on their path of sanctification, and a lot of reasons. But we're supposed to help each other with the fight, and point out dangers and blind spots to each other. All part of our incredible Sovereign God's plan for us.
Which or how many sins does it take to lose an eternal salvation?
Answer: Jesus on the cross took All the future sins not just particular sins. 🙏
I believe we can lose our salvation like Judas. He is close to Jesus as one of the apostles and in the end, he turned away from Jesus and committed suicide without salvation.
Supporters of this doctrine usually quote passages such as:
“I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand” - John 10:28
Proponents of this doctrine are absolutely correct when they state that salvation is a free gift, but they miss the fact that a gift, even if it is initially accepted, can ultimately be scorned, sullied and rejected. Although no one can snatch you from Christ’s hand, you can wriggle yourself free if you so choose.
In the parable of the Prodigal Son, the Son chose to renounce his sonship, leave his home and go his own way. As a consequence of this he became “lost” and “dead” (Luke 15:32). The same spiritual death is open to us if we choose to reject our Father and walk away from our family home.
Please tell me how can I "get my salvation back" because i keep falling into the same sin (pornography) and I can't get out of this 😔
But that doesn't change the fact that he was still his Father's son. He realized what he did wasn't right and came back. In the same way, just because you backslide from God doesn't mean you're not his child. You are included in the no one Jesus says. We just have to confess our sin and come back to him. But I do understand where you are coming from.
@@damian0x51b4 Hey its been 7 months since you wrote that, you okay?
@@all_mine1233 Didn't the prodigal son also return back home because he was broke and starving 🤔
@@donphillips3439 Yes.
For IF we are faithful to the end, trusting God just as Firmly as when we first believed, we will share in all that belongs to Christ. Notice the word IF. This implies the words if not. What happens IF WE ARE NOT?
This doctrine doesn't like to deal with hebrews 3 lol
The fact that he can literally blot names out of His book of life, tells me that, yes, you can lose your salvation. Oh, but once you’re saved, you’re always saved, doesn’t that just sounds so good? It almost sounds too good to be true 😂
bakarangerpinku then god is a liar and a cosmic child abuser because you chosen before you were born
@@wlonsdale1 Matthew 22:14
(Many are Chosen, But few are called)
Rick Armstrong before taking words out of context read "All" of 1 Corinthians 6 9-11
@@iicecourt00 What about it? The Holy Spirit will convict a saved person if he does any of those things.
Where can u find in the Bible supports Once saved always saved no the Bible teach us to remain faithful till the end 🙏.
Nothing can separate us from His love but we ourselves can make that choice to separate ourselves. So always deal with you and keep on making the deliberate choice to not separate yourself. Stay focused!!!
Many scriptures show us that OSAS is not biblical. The parable of the prodigal son proves OSAS is not biblical.
1 Corinthians 1:25
Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
@@comowibibliawhatthebiblesa6562 What are trying to say? Is OSAS biblical or not?
@@timothyseals3791 1 John 1:5-7
This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
@@comowibibliawhatthebiblesa6562 So I must ask again,
What are trying to say? Is OSAS biblical or not?
I agree , I believe someone thinking they can lose salvation is very prideful and self righteous,we are saved because of what God did
We are not saved by what we do
If you are a true believer sealed and regenerated by the Holy Spirit you can't lose salvation God will continue the work he started in you !
Where does the line draw when we lose salvation
If you text and drive your sinning
If you run a red light your sinning
If you go to the store and pick up a item and don't put it back in the right place your Sinning
If it's 4:58pm and someone asked what time is it ,if you say 5:00pm your sinning
We can't repent of ever single sin that happens if that was the case we would repent ever second of the day
If you don't love your neighborhood and God 24/7 your sinning
If you over eat your sinning
If u spend money you don't have and go into a lot of debt wasting money your sinning
The Holy Spirit does most of the work we just follow
Are works do matter
Works as in "praying,worship,fasting and fellowship" all of this goes along with faith because we do these things to stay close to God
God will discipline his real children
Sin is a condition of the heart; not of actions. A sinful heart leads to sinful action. It is willing rebellion against God. Saying it's 5:00 when it is 4:58 is not a sin. That is straining at nats and swallowing camels. And it matters not what people think or believe, it matters what the Word of God says. The truth is not determined by what we believe. There is plenty of scripture pointing to the fact that a person can give away their relationship with God and be damned.
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Hebrews 6:4-6
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
2 Peter 2:20-22
I don't mean to sound argumentive or anything but it is the duty of all Christians to correct and reprove one another. It wouldn't be love if we didn't. Also we are charged by God to be his watchmen and will be held accountable for not giving warning to others. God bless.
cheron buchanon
a. "I believe someone thinking they can lose salvation is very prideful and self-righteous, we are saved because of what God did
We are not saved by what we do
This is interesting since EVERY orthodox teacher, apologist, author, and theologian for the first 1600 years (back to the First Century) taught that Christians could fall away from the faith. Even Augustine and Luther did not believe in OSAS as it is currently taught. Are all of these people throughout history "prideful and self-righteous" Because they did not teach OSAS. Conversely is EVERYONE who teaches OSAS humble and self-effacing? Surely you are not going to make that generalization.
b. "If you are a true believer sealed and regenerated by the Holy Spirit you can't lose salvation God will continue the work he started in you"
Although you did not cite any scripture this seems to come from Philippians 1:6:
"being confident of this, that He who began a good work in you will continue to perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus."
If you read this scripture in the context you will see that Paul was not saying that the work God begins in EVERY believer INEVITABLY continue and reach completion. What he said was he was CONFIDENT (or PERSUADED) that it would in the case of the Philippians. Paul went on to give REASONS this belief and none of it had anything to do with a belief in OSAS. In part, his confidence was based upon the Philippian's active long-term partnership with him in the ministry of the gospel
"...always making the supplication with joy in my every supplication for all of you, for your PARTNERSHIP in the GOSPEL from the first day UNTIL NOW,
He had other reasons as well:
"Accordingly, it is right for me to feel this about all of you since I have you in the heart. Both in my chains and in the DEFENCE and CONFIRMATION of the gospel, you all are fellow PARTAKERS OF GRACE with me.
(Philippians 1:4-7)
c. It looks to me like the Philippians were very well grounded in truth and grace.
This is the reason for Paul's confidence that they would continue on in the Faith. He says nothing about a belief that they would continue because of OSAS? If THAT had been the real reason for his confidence then would he have not said so in the passage? Also if OSAS had been the basis for his belief that "the work that had begun in them would continue until the Day of Christ Jesus" then he would have had the same confidence for ALL the believers under his care but he was NOT at all CONFIDENT about whether the Galatians would continue in the faith:
"But now, having known God, but rather having been known by God, how do you TURN AGAIN to the weak and destitute principles, to which you desire to be ENSLAVED again anew? 10 You observe days and months and seasons and years. 11 I fear for you, lest perhaps I have toiled for you IN VAIN.
(Galatians 4:9-11)
If Pauls "labors" had saved the Galatians from damnation and brought them into onto a path that would lead them UNCONDITIONALLY into eternal joy I hardly see how could say his work was "in VAIN." On the other hand, if they were turning backward I could easily see how he would be concerned. Being "enslaved AGAIN" is the inverse from being freed from slavery through salvation.
d. "We are not saved by what we do"
If by "works" you mean meritorious works of the LAW (like circumcision, eating kosher, keeping feast days) then I agree because these are not required under the New Covenant. It is to this KIND of ACTION that Paul is referring when he contrasts "works" and faith in the work of salvation. However, when James, speaks of WORKS he does not mean this kind of action. Instead, he means "acts of obedience" The word of faith cannot save us unless it is accompanied by an obedient response of the will.
Once saved. always saved, that's the truth. You believe and God's grace saves you. All because of the eternal sacrifice of our Lord Jesus. You made it very clear, Allen. God bless...
Not it isn’t.
Thank you sir. I needed to hear this so much. I'll come shake your hand in heaven one day for helping me.
augustus plebeian this is a false doctrine taught by Allen Parr and Satan himself. You can lose your salvation. Names are blotted out of the book of life. Please watch this video for the real and scriptural truth. ua-cam.com/video/2W28zs_0ZX0/v-deo.html
@josh Rev 3:5
I do find it amazing that people use Jude to defend the "always saved" doctrine.
V 5 says "He saved the people out of Egypt and afterward destroyed them that believed not (continued not, I Cor 10:1-10)". We know He only saved Joshua and Caleb (but saved ALL the others). Thru rebellion they backslid and were all destroyed. I Cor 10:21 "you cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of devil's", same chapter, same topic, diff example.
V 6 The angels IN heaven (without a sin nature) rejected God, followed Lucifer, now Satan, and He condemned them to hell.
V 7 Sodom GIVING THEMSELVES OVER ... you know that story.
Jude clearly is making the case we can backslide and turn the grace of God into lasciviousness (v 4, depravity, sexual sin extremes). They are TWICE DEAD, whose fruit withers, without fruit, plucked up by the root (v 12). Jesus CAN keep us, and will but not against our will.
This is why "snatch" is the key there. We cannot snatch ourselves. He didn't say we cannot NOT MOVE ourselves because we can do what we want. Snatch is from outside. This is why He keeps our steps, guides our way, preserves the Word forever. Stay in it and you are preserved. Sin, if repented of, is forgotten and removed.
Jesus told Peter (an apostle, saved) in John 13:8 "if I wash thee not, thou has no part with me". That is extreme and complete. I don't think Jesus was exaggerating to make His point.
And in Rev 21:7-8 "he that overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. But the fearful, unbelieving, .... and all liars will have their part in the lake of fire". I don't think he's just saying "sinners" there. 8 follows 7 and we must overcome. Every church (Rev ch 2-3) was told that. Some were told He would take their candle out if they did not return to their first love, Him. They started right and turned away.
Peace brother.
You're now making it about your works then rather than about Gods grace, which means that in order to be saved, you need to be like the pharisee and keep the whole law. Good luck, only one managed to do that. I suggest you study the scripture again with those versus in the video. When God saves he saves to the uttermost so that we can have full assurance and confidence, otherwise we're living in constant fear of whether we were good enough, did I sin enough etc etc
@@thehourifirstbelieved3655 - Just read it in context. If the angels in heaven sinned and they did not have a sin nature then why do you think God used that scenario as a reference for us? God can save us to the uttermost and will but not against our will. We get saved by trusting in Christ, we stay saved by trusting in Christ. Live by faith. Live in faith. Live in the Word. I trust the Word, not my works. How can you say you are trusting God but sinning at the same time?
@@redfaux74 because God doesnt wipe out our old sin nature until we die and receive new bodies..that's why he gives us new bodies..because these ones are tarnished with sin. Please read Roman's 6 and 7. When we believe in Christ we become new creatures with new natures..but our old nature is still in our mortal bodies..that's not saved..what's saved is our new nature and 1 john 3:9 illustrates that perfectly..that he who is born of God cannot sin..our new nature cannot sin.. hence perfection..hence being able to enter Gods rest eternally. God bless you..I pray you understand this and begin to enjoy your salvation
@@redfaux74 also..you said we stay saved by trusting in Christ..that sounds like you're trusting on your will and works to keep you saved..if we couldn't earn salvation.then we definately cant keep it..only he can..and he said so himself in John 6:39.
@@thehourifirstbelieved3655 - Please read my comment first. I've read Romans over 50 times. It won't change. Why did the angels in heaven (before Earth was created) sin and God used that to warn us? They didn't have a sin nature yet God warns US not to sin in the New Testament? Using them as an example for us?
Oh i can relax finally thank you sooo much Pastor Parr!!!! I was terrified of going to hell for past sins and i watched you and i feel soooo happy and blessed i repent several times a day sometimes im not sure if i even sinned and i was even getting scared to talk anymore. Im a Christian for a little over a month so im sooo happy i was guided to you! Thank you God, thank you Jesus!!! God bless you Pastor Parr always and forever in Jesus name 👑🕊️👑
BIBLE VERSES INDICATING WE CAN LOSE SALVATION:
Galatians 5:19-21:
"Now the works of the flesh are obvious: fornication, impurity, licentiousness, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, anger, quarrels, dissensions, factions, envy, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these. I am warning you, as I warned you before: those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God."
Hebrews 10:26-27:
"For if we willfully persist in sin after having received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful prospect of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries."
Hebrews 6:4-6:
"Since therefore it remains open for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of disobedience, again he sets a certain day- 'today' ..."
2 Peter 2:20-22:
"For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overpowered, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than, after knowing it, to turn back from the holy commandment that was passed on to them."
Romans 11:22:
"Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness toward you, provided you continue in his kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off."
1 Corinthians 9-10:
"Do not be deceived! Fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, sodomites, thieves, the greedy, drunkards, revilers, robbers-none of these will inherit the kingdom of God."
Galatians 6:7:
"Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
Mathew 25:44-46:
"Then they also will answer, ‘Lord, when was it that we saw you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not take care of you?’ Then he will answer them, ‘Truly I tell you, just as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.'"
Mathew 7:22-23:
"On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many deeds of power in your name?’ Then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; go away from me, you evildoers.’"
Mark 10:17-19:
"'Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?' Jesus said to him, 'Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone. You know the commandments: ‘You shall not murder; You shall not commit adultery; You shall not steal; You shall not bear false witness; You shall not defraud; Honor your father and mother.’”
Mathew 6:14-15:
"For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you; but if you do not forgive others, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."
1 John 3:15:
"All who hate a brother or sister are murderers, and you know that murderers do not have eternal life abiding in them."
James 2:12-13:
"For judgment will be without mercy to anyone who has shown no mercy; mercy triumphs over judgment."
Christ love you, brother. I appreciate your humility and kindness!
Fr. Dave
You’re leaving out the fact that it’s Gods Spirit that empowers us not to sin and we must cooperate with Him, just because you backslide doesn’t mean you loose relationship with Him, He will correct you in Love... you cannot lose what you didn’t earn..
@@EndTimeNazerne Thank you! Can you please quote a Bible verse that says exactly what you just said?
Christ love you all!!!
Fr. Dave
David Wilkins, sure no problem, I can say OSAS is true because I’ve backslide many times in my past and I’ve always come back to God because He would rebuke me or draw me to Himself.. His great love for us doesn’t depend on anything we can do or can’t do, the whole point of Jesus coming to earth was to save us from ourselves, and keep us.. if we could keep His commandments and salvation on our own then the whole point of Jesus & the Holy Spirit coming down to all people being sealed in our spirit was pointless, if we can go to Heaven because of how good we were, then you can boast before God “look how good I’ve been”, anyway here’s a few of many scriptures... to back up what I’ve stated
Jonah 1:1-3
Jonah Tries to Run Away from the Lord
The Lord spoke his word to Jonah, son of Amittai. He said, “Leave at once for the important city, Nineveh. Announce to the people that I can no longer overlook the wicked things they have done.”
Jonah immediately tried to run away from the Lord by going to Tarshish. He went to Joppa and found a ship going to Tarshish. He paid for the trip and went on board. He wanted to go to Tarshish to get away from the Lord.
(And we all know how this ends)
Philippians 4:13
I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.
Hebrews 12:4-11
New International Version
God Disciplines His Children
4 In your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood.(A) 5 And have you completely forgotten this word of encouragement that addresses you as a father addresses his son? It says,
“My son, do not make light of the Lord’s discipline,
and do not lose heart(B) when he rebukes you,
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because the Lord disciplines the one he loves,(C)
and he chastens everyone he accepts as his son.”
7 Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as his children.(E) For what children are not disciplined by their father? 8 If you are not disciplined-and everyone undergoes discipline(F)-then you are not legitimate, not true sons and daughters at all. 9 Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of spirits(G) and live!(H) 10 They disciplined us for a little while as they thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, in order that we may share in his holiness.(I) 11 No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace(J) for those who have been trained by it.
Ephesians 2:8-9
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8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
Romans 9:16
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So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.
Romans 8:30
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And those he predestined,he also called;those he called, he also justified;those he justified, he also glorified.
Ephesians 1:4
For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love
Much love brother
@@EndTimeNazerne I think the important thing in us is, do we have the witness from God that we are saved? Believing the scriptures is not enough. God has to witness it in our hearts. The witness of God will bring peace to our being. Yet we still have to work out our salvation with fear and trembling. Seems contradictory, but it isn't. If mirrors real life. Slack off and trouble looms that hadn't been there and you let it overcome you. Trouble that you had previously dealt with with God's help and leading. James 1:22, also.
@@EndTimeNazerne Sema Echad is right, you seem to be applying wishful thinking to the verses you listed.
"Faith without works is death also"
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but works don't get you to heaveb
If you believe in something you have faith in it you're going to obey that thing. Same rules apply to Christianity
Obey God YAHWEH to be saved and make it to heaven
True Christianity teaches we don't work to attain salvation because salvation is not of works, but of faith (belief); we work because we have salvation, not to get salvation. Our works give external verification of our inward faith. No works, or lack of works, affects genuine salvation which is solely by faith.
DZ
" Once saved always saved " , This is a doctrine that from to the pit of hell by "Calvinism ". No grace without a true repentance ; The bible says: without holiness no-one will see the lord.
Pedro John What you said is so true but in the Bible David also ask God please Don’t take your Spirit away so you can lose it
Wait what bible verse can u use to back that up?
Pedro, you trust in yourself and I will trust in Jesus Christ as my righteousness. Good luck keeping the Ten Commandments without breaking one.
@@gws5491 well what about John 15: 1-8
@@kah2787 That's the real saving faith right there! As long as you remain on the vine you will bear fruit! You can't bear fruit by yourself! If people would just meditate on this day and night this endless debate would cease!
Thank you Pastor Parr for posting this video! I followed along in a copy of the Holy Bible I have at my residence and I appreciate that you backed up this video with scripture from the books of the Holy Bible! And all of it made sense! My problem is with doubt and has been for a long time but with what you presented and backing it with what the Holy Bible says- I found encouraging and the other day I prayed the sinner's prayer and the prayer of salvation and I don't remember doing those steps when I was younger. I took the time to do so and I hope that my doubt is gone once and for all! Thanks and God Bless!
God through the Holy Spirit has shown me several things relating to the afterlife with the purpose of convincing people like yourself. Stuff like Heaven and Hell, Angels, and evil Spirits the Lord Jesus (not worthy at all), a miracle happened to me that saved my life (thank you God) & so much more. I am more than happy to give further details.
Amen! In Christ we have assurance that once and for all we’ve been saved. 🤍
Many scriptures show us that OSAS is not biblical. The parable of the prodigal son proves OSAS is not biblical.
@@timothyseals3791 I'd say that this parable actually proves the opposite, simply because of the response of the Father. And the identity of the son as his Father's child. AND the fact that the son returned to his father and repented. The son never stops being a son, even if he strays away for a while.
@@kia.kikiii The point is not that the son is still the son, the point is that the son was dead at one point then alive again.
We are talking spiritually not physically. This is clear when we see that in verse 24 the son was dead(spiritually) then alive again(spiritually).
You can not be a son AGAIN spiritually if you were never a son spiritually to begin with.
We are saved by grace, and grace alone, Ephesians 2:8
Joseph Bryant
So, are we saved by grace? What does grace according to Ephesians have to so with salvation? Can you explain, please?
Raphael
Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith. It is a gift of God; not of works, so that no one can boast
1. Grace is God showing mercy on sinners
2. Faith is putting your trust in what Christ did for us which is dying for our sins and his resurrection
3. Gift: is eternal life. The reason it’s a gift because we actually deserve eternal death and separation but God has given us the gift of eternal life through Christ sacrifice
4. Not of works ties in with the gift. We didn’t work for the gift of life. Christ gave it to us when we believe
5. Boast- ties in with both the gift and not of works because we can’t boast on ourselves because we didn’t earn eternal life. Christ gave it to us when believed in His sacrifice
I hope this cleared up some confusion
Court JM
The gift of God in Ephesians 2:8-9 is not eternal life. It is the grace of God that is referred there as the gift. Read and understand carefully.
Raphael What does being saved mean then? If being saved is not having eternal life?
Court JM
We are called the children of God when we believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. Thereafter we became the children of God, but our place in God as children is only by adoption because of our faith in the Lord Jesus Christ (see Galatians 4:5 & Ephesians 1:5). The Bible said that by nature, we (as Gentiles) are called children of wrath (Ephesians 2:3). We are only saved from God’s wrath when we believe in Jesus Christ, as we are now justified by faith because of his grace (Ephesians 2:8-9).
Eternal life does not begin in the present time. It begins at the resurrection (Titus 1:2). It is a false notion to suppose that eternal life ceases to continue, or that a person can loss it because, since it is eternal, that means it can never end. But it can only be eternal when it begins at the time it is given (at the resurrection), not before it is materialized. No believer in the present time has ever had eternal life yet. The Spirit only gave us *”the hope to eternal life”* (Titus 1:2). What believers have in the present time, when they believe in the Lord Jesus Christ is not eternal life, but *THE SPIRIT OF LIFE IN CHRIST.* (Romans 8:2)- and that implies a moral obligation of living a sanctified life before God to obtain the promised life. Proof that we do not have eternal life in the present time is: We can still die and get sick at any time. Adam lost his eternal life when he sinned against God. He died physically and spiritually. The second man borne after the Image of the Lord Jesus Christ will be changed from corruption to incorruption. As it is written-“This corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory”(1 Corinthians 15:53-54). And when shall this change happen? It will happen at the time of the resurrection, *WHEN* “the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed“(v.52).
There are two interpretations and conflicting views of eternal life possession- *THE PRESENT POSSESSION* and *THE FUTURE POSSESSION.* So, why does the Bible compliment eternal life as a present possession? Do you know?
I'm the book of Hebrews it says if we wilfully sin after receiving the knowledge of the truth there remains no sacrifice for sins
Keshaun Bailey great observation. I k ow on the surface it seems like this is saying loss of salvation. I’ll explain when I get a free minute thanks for your question!
THE BEAT by Allen Parr mr.parr I agree wholeheartedly with your video man I think your UA-cam ministry is awesome it has helped me out alot in my walk with Christ I just put that scripture out there for those who would think that Gods grace is a license to sin nothing against you at all my brother
@Keshaun Bailey - I agree. The mistake most people make with Hebrews is that they presume that people receiving knowledge of salvation is the same as people being saved. Anyone who hears the gospel has knowledge of salvation, anyone who knows a Christian will be able to see and experience the fruits of salvation by their relationship with that Christian, but they themselves are still not saved.
You read it out of context
If you can lose your salvation when will u lose it ? If u lose it does God take away the Holy Spirit ? And if he takes away when do u get it back I will never have peace believing we "stay saved" by what we do and not what God did the OSAS doctrine isn't about "live in sin and go to heaven " we believe God will finish the work he starts in us we didn't save ourselves God saved us he drew us to himself ...if we keep salvation by what we do we all will fall short ....someone who truly follows God will not fall away permanently
There is no doubt that after watching this video there will be many who will say they were once a christian and now thank God I can sin, and pic all the sins I want to commit and still go to heaven.
People who teach this will be judged accordingly by the Father unless they repent
Agreed it's so sad how deceived the youtuber is on this topic
Ive read about both agrument about this topic . Yes no one can pluck you on His hands , but Hebrew is also clear about falling away of those who once been enlightened. Im stuck
@@lalajean2975 Satan has deceived many with the statement (you cannot lose your salvation and it is not by works) and he is correct. The trickery of using that statement though is to lead your thinking in the wrong direction. It is not a matter of losing your salvation but a matter of a person giving up their salvation to return to their once father satan and making him their father once again and then dying in that state. A person belongs to and will one day live with only one father (God or satan). And by the way, for anyone else who might read this, my statements here were not about works but rather about sin. God bless you Lalajean, and may you become unstuck by the truth.
you ignored the video then. He clearly requested that you watch the ENTIRE video for a reason! If you are truly saved, you would be convicted of your sin and the Holy Spirit will bring you back. If someone is “saved” and lives in sin with no conviction, chances are they were never saved. Truly born again believers know his promises and are kept by him. “He will hold us fast.” He quoted REAL scripture on this topic, or you can just ignore the scriptures and act like it’s not a part of GOD’s word. Please realize this!!
What about the 10 virgins parable ? They’re a representation of a Christian and they ALL fell asleep waiting for the husband (Jesus) but when they heard He was arriving (most likely the rapture) only 5 of them were wise enough to have oil in their lamps (speaking about an intimate relationship with God. Basically, your gas tank is full lol) and it lights up the way for them to go to the bedchambers. The foolish virgins asked if they could have some of the oil from the wise virgins but the wise ones were wise once more and told them that they needed to go buy some oil for themselves at the market (“pay a price” for that relationship. And I don’t mean we are saved by works. Don’t misunderstand me. But the “price” I speak about is a life of sacrament and intimacy with God in prayer and the reading of His Word). So the foolish virgins left and went to buy oil. But upon their return, the bedchambers were closed and no one else could enter (like the Noah story when the door to the boat was shut.) They knocked and the king (bridegroom) told them to go away because He knew them not ! And He also alluded to them being unclean because of the hour that they were knocking on His door. These were a representation of CHRISTIANS.
I strongly believe that if you’re living a righteous life before God then you’re fine. But if you’re a Christian and you continue to sin then I’m sorry, buddy but you can’t be near God cuz He is HOLY. There’s another passage that says that we must have white clothes that is neither stained nor wrinkled (meaning our souls must be clean before Him) and there’s another verse that says that we must be holy because God is holy.
Keep preaching it sister! I have several videos over on my channel warning people about this dangerous doctrine. It’s the same lie of the devil in Genesis 3:4 when the serpent told Eve she could sin and not die. Please check out some of my vids. I think they will be a blessed to you. God bless!
First young brother you look a lot like a younger version of Denzel Washington! With that aside I thank you for the teachings/revelations God gives us! On point! God’s people perish for lack of knowledge... I am over 66 years old and God’s been so good in every season to me and my family! Praise God! God’s face shine upon you and all you hold dear! Amen 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Many scriptures show us that OSAS is not biblical. The parable of the prodigal son proves OSAS is not biblical.
❤Amen❤
Once saved Always saved. 🥰
You see I agree with the scriptures you quote but you don't quote scripture where God clearly says if you do this & this or that you will not inherit Kingdom......etc why? He is not talking to the lost either but Paul speaks to believers, a church..... I am sad so many christians are justifying sin through this weird doctrine and not even trying to work out their salvation with fear and trembling but believe they are OK come as you are...yes you come as you are but as you say in your video how to know you are saved for sure......they don't show these signs still this teaching of OSAS would lead them to believe they are OK......whilst they might not be.
I feel we need to get rid of those weird doctrines that help justify sin and encourage holiness as God says BE HOLY AS I AM HOLY, justifying sin not helping be holy at all, in fact christians have more than ever declare we will never be holy....we will never be perfect.... we can't keep commandments etc which is crazy...Jesus didn't give us commandments saying if you love me keep my commandments knowing nobody will or are able to keep them, that is not possible Jesus never spoke like that just to say something.... He said what He meant and He meant what He said...! We don't get saved by works but faith without works is dead. Doctrines like once saved always saved ideally should be broken down by some good scholar to show that this sort of attitude isn't godly encourages and justifies sin and isn't pleasing to God instead we should focus on Holiness and how to please God not justify sin that on it's own will give us reassurance that we are saved and our fruit will show that. Teaching OSAS isn't biblical not OT not NT. God many times in OT got rid of Israel and showed them if they don't change they will perish and He always tried to help them but He never reassured if you continue in sin you will be fine, Jesus also said the same, so I don't know if OSAS id a doctrine to teach.
I. Now amen
I agree
I. Now Read "All" of 1 Corinthians 6 9-11
I. Now Good analysis. One of the Best. I can see that you are a good Bible Student. Allan Parr don't always gets it right.
Your works are filthy rags you hell bound lordshipers.
When Jesus told Mary Magdalene she's forgiven of her sin of prostitution and he told her not to sin anymore.. that proves that once we are saved we should not sin we are chosen ones and if we break that promise it's like breaking a marriage with God..
Such great teaching and so refreshing!! Love it! Praise God!
Many scriptures show us that OSAS is not biblical. The parable of the prodigal son proves OSAS is not biblical.
Huh? The bible says that many will depart from the faith do to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils. All through scripture the possibility of falling away is clear. It is written.
That is Tim.4:1 that in latter times some will depart from the faith. Those who depart from the faith are not truly rooted in the faith, like for example its hard for them to accept the fact that God alone can preserve his saints until the end. The parable of the sower explains it. They don't really belong to the flock with a mind maybe similar to that of Judas Iscariot. Those who return to the faith can be explained by the story about the prodigal son.
A deed cannot become a sin unless God will impute it as sin (Rom 4:8, Jn 5:22,27). Rahab the HARLOT justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out the other way. Only the enemy keeps on accusing our brethren of their sins (Rev. 12:10), and our Lord Jesus is always there for them as advocate (1Jn 2:1). That is a mind blowing love of our Lord to those who remain and return in the faith. Christians should have their hearts rest in Christ as He is the Lord of the Sabbath.
Yes, that goes along with the scripture that states in Matthew 7:21-23 '21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
So here, Jesus is speaking about those Professing Believers, but not Possessing Believers. Only those who Possess Salvation will truly do good works in Jesus name. Many will do works in their own will, not the Fathers will. They are false disciples and in the end times they will be seduced by doctrines of devils so that they wont even claim to be doing anything in Jesus name. No matter, they were not true believers in the 1st place.
Brother Allen is spot on.
scot pederson yes, I agree. Jesus said he NEVER knew them, he never said they lost their salvation. 1 John 2:19 (KJV)
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. 1 John 3:6 (KJV)
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. WORKERS OF INIQUITY don’t know Jesus, and he doesn’t know them. Jesus doesn’t lose souls. If a person feels they have their salvation, then they have an improper understanding of the New Covenant. In the Old Covenant the Holy Spirit would leave a person, but in the New Covenant never leaves a person, we sealed to the day of redemption. But those that are truly saved turn from iniquity and sin: 2 Timothy 2:19 (KJV)
19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
What's His Name, so you don’t believe that all your past,present and future sins were payed for on the cross, the reason we ask God for forgiveness of sin is to restore fellowship with God and each time we sin, it doesn’t separate us from God, our guilt and shame makes us flee from God. If one is sinning all the time, he or she might not be a true Christian or this person doesn’t love God as much as this person should, which in turn causes the person to backslide.
Sometimes even true Christians act like the prodigal son in a state of an unrepentant heart.
gogentison - Very well said and I’m in complete agreement. I am a prodigal daughter. Thank the Father and Jesus that he still loves us even when we get lost.
A few months after I got baptized a few years ago I fell into sin. I was young, new it wasn’t a good thing but didn’t necessarily think of it as a sin but one day I realized it and for over a year I struggled with it and fell into it. I was so angered as myself and I felt so ashamed. Now, with the help of God I’ve gotten out of it. I feel like I’ve gotten closer to Jesus. The reason I came to this video is because of those years of sin I repeated over and over.
Thank you for your messages, Allen! I learn a lot from your videos and appreciate how God is using you to reach people.
On this topic, I’d love to get your thoughts on reconciling the following questions with what you’ve reviewed in this video.
1) If Lucifer was perfect, knowing no sin, already in heaven before God Himself, and could choose, along with many angels, to turn away from God, could we make the same choice as imperfect human beings even after being saved?
2) In John 15, Jesus talks about The Vine and the Branches. He says many times, “Abide in Me.” The definition for “abide” means to “remain in.” With the word, “remain,” does that open a gate that we could leave? Additionally, the branches were already attached to the vine and then ended up not producing fruit; therefore, they were picked off and thrown into the fire. Does this indicate they were attached (I.e. saved), did not produce fruit and then were cut off?
3) In Revelation 3, Jesus speaks to the church of Laodicea. He calls them “the church,” indicating they’re a part of the body of Christ, which means saved. However, He goes on to tell them that if they do not repent of being lukewarm, He will spew them out of His mouth. Does this indicate a saved church that could become lost if they do not repent?
Thank you for taking the time to read these questions and hopefully answer, as these are quite confusing!
Matthew 18:7
Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!
"For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire." 2 Peter 2
1- Was the sow Washed ? YES
2- Did the seed (word of God) spring to life in a 4 types of soil (Hearts) ? Yes. Did all remain alive in them ? No
3- Likewise the Galatians who reverted back to the Law, Paul says "Christ has become of no effect to you, ye who are justified by the Law, you are FALLEN from grace..." (You cant "fall" from a place you have never been) . Also, How many peoplw are saved of whom it can be stated " Christ has become of No effect"...???
God Bless
Agreed. What say you, Allen Parr?
They never was saved
@@josephbryant5950 You're not even TRYING to understand the verse. It is CRYSTAL CLEAR.
@@josephbryant5950 READ the verse CAREFULLY! Clearly, these are people who were ACCOUNTABLE.
@David Justice
For if, after they have ESCAPED the defilements of the world by the KNOWLEDGE OF THE LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.
(2 Peter 2:20)
a. The text does not say the SEEMED to have escaped. If a person escapes a defilement it means that the inner causes of that defilement has been dealt with.
b. Earlier in the same letter the Apostle explains exactly HOW people "escape the corruption of the world" and it is not through the law:
3 His DIVINE POWER has given us everything we need for life and godliness THROUGH THE KNOWLEDGE of Him who called us by His own glory and excellence. 4 Through these He has given us His precious and magnificent PROMISES, so that THROUGH THEM you may become partakers of the divine nature, now that you have ESCAPED THE CORRUPTION in the world caused by evil desires.
(2 Peter 1:3-4)
c. Which scripture PROMISES escape from corruption? Well, Jeremiah 31:31, speaking of the New Covenant, says:
"But this is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD. I will put My LAW in their minds and inscribe it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they will be My people.
(Jeremiah 31:33)
d. The DIVINE POWER that enables us to realize this promise is For if, after they have ESCAPED the defilements of the world by the KNOWLEDGE OF THE LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.
(2 Peter 2:20)
a. The text does not say the SEEMED to have escaped. If a person escapes a defilement it means that the inner causes of that defilement has been dealt with.
b. Earlier in the same letter the Apostle explains exactly HOW people "escape the corruption of the world" and it is not through the law:
His DIVINE POWER has given us everything we need for life and godliness THROUGH THE KNOWLEDGE of Him who called us by His own glory and excellence. 4 Through these He has given us His precious and magnificent PROMISES, so that THROUGH THEM you may become partakers of the divine nature, now that you have ESCAPED THE CORRUPTION in the world caused by evil desires.
(2 Peter 1:3-4)
Which scripture PROMISES escape from corruption? Well, Jeremiah 31:31, speaking of the New Covenant, says:
"But this is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD. I will put My LAW in their minds and inscribe it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they will be My people.
(Jeremiah 31:33)
The DIVINE POWER the Holy Spirit enables us to realize this promise is the Holy Spirit
b. These passages say nothing about our trying to keep the law in our own strength. Escape from pollution and corruption happens when the Holy Spirit by His divine power writes the "knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ" on our hearts.
The people Peter is talking about could not have escaped the world without the Holy Spirit.
Seems to me the people who think a person can lose their salvation are people who either A: do not know what being born again by the Holy Spirit means or B they don't know the doctrine of rewards.
This is the third video of yours I have watched and the first one I disagree with...respectfully. Now, I'd like to believe once saved always saved. It sounds very comforting, but there are scriptures that contradict this:
Philippians 2:12 tells us to "...continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling."
This is not a scripture in favor of works. I do not believe we are saved by works by any means. The emphasis is on the "fear and trembling." If you're OSAS, then what do you have to fear losing? What fate do you have to tremble to think of?
Also consider the many parables and scriptures in which God tells us to be ready for His coming, to not be caught unprepared. Think of the virgins and lamps in Matthew 25.
But the scripture that illustrates this the most is in Matthew 24:42-51 (I'll slim down a bit but I encourage anyone reading this to read the whole passage):
"(24) Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come...(46) It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns...(50) The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. (51) He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place w/ the hypocrites where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
So the servant was caught slipping and was assigned in a place that sounds a lot like hell. If we are OSAS, why do we need to stay vigilant? Why do we need to regard the working on our salvation w/ fear and trembling? Christianity is not a religion of complacency, and therefore neither shall we be.
----------------------------------------------If you're curious, here's some qualms I have w/ some of your arguments:--------------------------------------------
John 10:28-29 "...No one will snatch them out of my hand..."
So you said "No one" includes us, and to think otherwise is to add to the scripture. But if we're going to stick to semantics, then go all the way. Replace "no one" with "the believer in question": "The believer in question will not snatch them(selves) out of my hand..." How can one snatch their own self? You can only snatch an object. This scripture is referring only to a third party. We may be assured that a third party (the devil, a bad influence, etc) can't snatch us away, but a believer may surely walk away from God.
As for your omniscience of God argument--I do believe in God's omniscience--but the question 'Why would God save somebody if He knows they're going to turn away from Him?' doesn't account for Judas. Are you saying Jesus chose a non believer from the get to be a disciple? Would that mean Judas didn't have a choice but to betray Jesus?
Hello, I have two questions that I'll ask respectfully.
1) If you walk away from God completely after He saved you, does that mean that we have the power to undo what God has done, thus showing that God can be thwarted by His own creation? Job 42:2 says, "I know that You can do all things, and NO purpose of Yours can be thwarted".
2) If someone professes faith in Christ and they're going to church and youth and doing all of these Christian things (so to speak) and they look saved, but they walk away from God, isn't that an indication that they were never saved to begin with?
Jesus said in Matthew 7:22-23, "Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'". Notice Jesus said that He NEVER knew them. In other words, they were never saved, there was no intimate relationship AT ALL. He never knew them, and they never knew Him.
1 John 2:19 says, "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us". For the context of 1 John 2, John is speaking of those who appear to be Christians but then they reject Christ. So if someone professes faith in Christ, but then they walk away from Him, or reject Him which is essentially what they're doing, John is saying that they were NEVER saved to begin with.
Last note: If someone professes faith in Christ, they claim to have met Jesus and they appear to be a Christian, but there is no change in that person's life (not speaking of an instant change, but a change overtime) and there is no desire for God, no love for Him, no pursuit of holiness, then that person was never saved in the first place, I would argue. It is 100% IMPOSSIBLE to meet Jesus and not be changed.
I'm looking forward to your response. God bless!
John 6:64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
Marcie chan Allen Parr is wrong on this doctrine. You can lose your salvation. Names are blotted out of the book of life. Here is the real and scriptural truth. ua-cam.com/video/2W28zs_0ZX0/v-deo.html
Yeah but you misunderstood something, you are saved by grace through faith, your faith is justified by your works,so you are not saved by your works but by faith but the faith is justified by your works.
Joshua Robert yes, I already know that but my mind isn’t totally made up one way or the other. I’m still researching it but I definitely know you are not saved by works. Im leaning towards the once saved always saved doctrine but I can’t understand how you remain saved if you go out a mass murder 30 women and children.
Alan really solid teaching brother! You're a blessing to the body of Christ!
James 2:24
You see that a Person is considered righteous by what they DO and NOT BY FAITH ALONE.
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Best bible passage to refute once saved always saved.
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Millions of fake christians get wrong about Ephesians
This is a good example of how someone speaking quickly and confidently can seem to be spouting the truth. There is nothing here that is convincing when you stop and think about it properly. All those quotes can legitimately be interpreted quite differently than what you are hearing here.
I really believed Matthew chapter 7:21-23 plays a good role in this doctrine.
"Not everyone who says to Me, Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!"
Important things to take note:
1. They prophesied in the name of Christ.
2. They cast out demons in the name of Christ.
3. They do miracles in the name of Christ.
And we wonder why Jesus said to these people to depart from Him for He never knew them.
These verses refer to the believers of Christ. Not to the unbelievers.
I guess this is just a matter of being a genuine conversion or false conversion. Those people who believe they accepted Christ as their Lord and Savior yet still doing the wicked ways. In other words, there wasn't a genuine spiritual birth that took place.
Once saved always saved doctrine are only exclusive to those who are genuinely converted to Christ, not to those people who thought they are genuinely converted yet still living in a sinful way of life. They are the people who will hear the words "depart from me I never knew you" someday.
Joshua Eliaquim Ramos totally agree, couldn’t have said it better, totally agree.
I don't know for you, BUT for me, LORD YHWH JESUS knows me and presents HIMSELF to me in the O.T....
Only if you have the Spirit of Christ you will see The WORD in the O.T. as the GOD YHWH walking in the Garden of Eden (Genesis 3:8), comes to Jeremiah and even TOUCHED him (Jeremiah 1:4-9), comes to Ezekiel and start to speaks (Ezekiel 7:1) etc............
NEVER means NEVER ! I hope my Savior - the Almighty Son of God YESHUA knows you and your loved ones! ✝️
Joshua Eliaquim Ramos
123 you mentioned ties with works as well which doesn’t save. Christ paying the debt to our sin is what saves us. Not trying to please the lord
If you’re not OSAS you’re not trusting in Christ alone to save you. But trusting in yourself(works) to save you
I Corinthians 5:5 is a good example of OSAS. God disciplines His children but doesn't disown them.
True. He does discipline them. But he always allows man to have free will. So if man decides by his free will to reject the sacrifice for sin (Jesus) after accepting Him, then a man can be "unsaved". There's also evidence in scripture such as Revelation 3 that a person's name can be removed from the the book of life. If that is not getting unsaved, then what do you call that?
...doesn't disown them if they repent(ask David and Saul,two opposites)
@@outofnaija Wrong, you can have free will but the Holy Spirit dwelling inside you will convict a saved person. That´s why saved Christians remain relatively obedient. The people that don´t believe OSAS were never saved to begin with. If you are constantly questioning your salvation every time you sin, you don´t have the Holy Spirit in you.
Muree Media what if you reject Him then accept Him again? You gained it back?
@@iicecourt00 Same thing. Your sins are paid for, past, present and future. Including, rejecting Christ. Any sin is actually a form of rejection. You don´t lose the Holy Spirit once it is in you know matter what you do. John 10:28. People like to quote Hebrews 6 to counter OSAS but there are many videos/ evidence about how it is taken out of context from what precedes it. If you reject OSAS, you are undermining everything Jesus suffered on the cross for us, and then start relying on your own obedience to get you to heaven. Your obedience is not what saves you. Eph 2:8-9. In addition, If you think you can "unsave" yourself, you are doubting God´s sovereignty, by thinking we as mere humans can fool God into giving us salvation by faking our own repentance and returning to a life of sin. A lot of OSAS deniers, bring this point up a lot. We cannot fool GOD! Hope that answers your question. God bless.
There's 2 extremes to this topic , I my self stay in the middle I always answer I don't know ..
All Christians OUGHT to be Apologists.We ought to know how to ARTICULATE what Christianity is and is not!!! May God Enlighten and Empower us in His Truth in Jesus name. Amen. G😊d Bless you!!
VICTOR BARAHONA
Once saved always saved is biblical.
The reason why lordshippers don’t understand that is because they take verses out of context instead of reading verses in the context
VICTOR BARAHONA Trust me. I was just like that until I took the time to pray and read the verses carefully in its context.
1. You have to read verses in its context
2. It’s important to understand the difference between Jesus ministry to the Jews while he was on Earth verses Paul’s ministry to Jew and Gentiles after Christ’s ascension. Paul mainly preached to Gentiles.
You know why because the rest of Israel rejected Christ salvation message.
One example of a misinterpreted verse:
Hebrews 10:26. For if we deliberately keep on sinning after we received the knowledge of truth. There no longer remains a sacrifice for sins.
First things first:
1. Hebrews are Jews according to the OT.
2. Paul said “we" in deliberately sinning. Including himself. So based on that we know all sins committed are deliberate
3. The knowledge of truth is Christ. So obvious😂
4. "There remains no sacrifices for sins." Now this is a hard verse to interpret just reading it alone
That’s why you have to go back a chapter or two to see what the sacrifices are talking about.
It talks about animal sacrifices throughout chapter 8 and 9.
So that verse is applying to animal sacrifices that don’t cover sins since Christ died for our sins.
I encourage you to read the book of Hebrews to find out that truth.
God bless bro🙏🏾
Not good to be "In the middle," that's what we call Compromise.
Court JM read this in context...
19 They promise them freedom, but they themselves are slaves of corruption. For whatever overcomes a person, to that he is enslaved.
20 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.
21 For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them.
22 What the true proverb says has happened to them: "The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire." - 2 Peter 2:19-22
What does being truly saved mean??? Once saved God doesn't take away our free will, Otherwise the Judgment Will be biased!! So long as we are still alive in this planet, Satan will still continue tempt us and if we cut loose of our connection with Jesus we gonna Fall
Amen and Amen, thank you.
Can you explain the 7 churches of revelation about Luke warm church laodicea...why did Jesus say this then revelation 3:5 “He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.”
Revelation 3:5
“Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.”
Revelation 3:10 KJV
A little bit off topic here but this is showing that the whole church is not going in the rapture...once saved always saved can’t be true
Here is a video I did on Lukewarm Christians: ua-cam.com/video/BR-vtEpf37E/v-deo.html
D M yes I’m familiar with dispensationalism but these scriptures I’m putting here apply to the church the body of Christ...so where did I wrongly divide
Rev 3:5 is the promise to the true believers who overcomes. Remember the book of life was written from the foundation of the world Rev 17:8. God is not holding a pen and an eraser writing and deleting people’s names on daily basis from the book of life. There are 2 kinds of believers, false believers and true believers. False believers are those who hear the word and not do it, I.e. it’s those who build their house in a sand Math 7:26, when trial comes, they easily fall! True believers are those who hear the word and do it, i.e. their house is built upon a rock (Jesus Christ), when trial comes they NEVER fall! Math 7:25. The Bible is very clear, true believers, who hear the word and do it, will NEVER fall! For they are built upon the rock and nothing can separate them from the rock!
1 Corinthians 3:16-17 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
overcoming means repenting after serious sin. overcoming isnt continued sinning due to the delusion of OSAS
True we are saved, how ever we do back slide sin and break fellowship with God. Then we must repent to restore the fellowship. We do NOT lose our and grace of God. Proverbs 14:14.
Proverbs 28:13. Hebrews 10:26-31. ...Isaiah 1:4-5. ...Isaiah 1:18-20. ...1 John 1:8-10. ...Hebrews 6:4-6. ...Matthew 24:11-13.
Whosoever believeth in him, believeth suggest ongoing. You must continue to believe. You must not turn back. You must stay in the race and abide in the vine. You can't take yourself out of the vine or church but God can and he will if you turn back. You are wrong ! You can lose your salvation! There is no such thing as once saved always saved! Bro Harrison, minister
Yes, exactly right. This video doesn’t explain Revelation 3:4. Clearly their one’s who soiled their white garments were saved. That’s why they had white garments to begin with.
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No that's not true you are not always saved cause people backslide so when you backslide people have repent to be right with God when you get saved you can't do what you want then expect to keep your salvation
if we are saved we are God's children and automactly we are right with God
and when we have Holy Spirit we are doing God's will
That's a lie. Your opinion is worthless. The Bible is clear when you actually read it and pray for truth.
You are wrong you can't do want you want and still stay saved God says you can't have two God's he say you got to pick you mean you can drink and still have salvation no you have left and you lose your salvation
@@cynthiarosas8214 nooo, but when you are child of God it is impossible to be of the world, bcos of Holy Spirit :3
That is why salvation is free through faith and apart from works. Because the moment I attach Works to It, I have created conditions for you to receive it. All faith does is ask, "do you want it?" (Ephesians 2:8~9)
False doctrine. Sexually immoral christians will go to the lake of fire, read revelation 21:8, galatians 5:19-21. There is no once saved always saved.
The whole predestination thing is kind of unavoidable since God knows all things. Also, none of us deserve to be saved, even though God wishes for all of us to come to repentance. God saving souls like like God is a man giving $5 to everyone he meets. Not everyone is gonna want the $5, and some are going to want it but will not get it, and some will want it and will get it, and get to keep it. The man (God) giving $5 (salvation) is out of generosity, not out of obligation, and when he's done giving it away, he's done.
Those who refuse the $5 are those who refuse salvation, those who wanted it but didn't get it are those who are what many say "false converts", and those who get the $5 are those who are actually saved. And the man isn't just gonna take the $5 away from you. It's yours to keep once you got it. Now this analogy isn't perfect as one could spend or lose the $5. But that is where one passage in Scripture comes into play. God's salvation is a gift to all who wish to receive it. And God's gifts cannot be revoked. It can't be taken away from you. It is unbiblical to assume or conclude that anything can separate you from God once you are sealed.
Finally someone who understands!
TheGravityShifter
I don’t think its predestination I think it’s so much as having foreknowledge
I do believe God predestined heaven and hell but I don’t think He predestined people to reject or believe the truth.
Let’s use Peter for example. Jesus told Peter He will deny Him 3 times before the rooster crowed.
Peter denied Him as He stated but Jesus didn’t determine that to happen to Him but He foreknown it.
To predestine something means to carry something out the way you want it to happen
Foreknowledge means to predict something in the future before it occurs.
Free will is the ability to make choices on your own.
I believe foreknowledge and free will ties hand and hand with God and humans.
@@iicecourt00 Predestination isn't just some doctrine we made up, just to assure you. It's right in the Bible. It is true that God has predestined certain individuals to accept the Gospel and become followers. The only reason a lot of people object the idea of this truth is because they feel it's unfair.
Angels that didn't rebel against God are his Elect Angels. Therefore he's determined that the Angels who serve him are the ones he's chosen already. And those who come to Jesus Christ as our Savior, are his elect. If you put your faith in Jesus, you are his elect.
Unlike God, we don't know what he's predestined to who. So it's our job to make sure we are the ones who are predestined. Those who willingly reject God and hate God and couldn't care less to be with God are people who are predestined to die without God.
Even though God has predestined individuals, we still have a choice of our own to accept or reject Jesus. It's unbiblical to say God would reject people.
Besides, God looks at time differently than we do. We look at time in a linear way, God sees time as if everything already happened.
Time flows ever forward but he knows how everything ends and who will be saved. So it wouldn't make sense to already know who's gonna be saved or not and not have the ability to choose who those people will be. Cuz then that undermines God's sovereignty over all the things he has made. It would also contradict his Omniscience.
Court JM if Got For-knows without predestining, then He isn’t sovereign, and that creates lots of problems that indicate He’s not the God of the Bible. he knows all things AND ordains (predestines) all things for good. Even the killing of His beloved Son was a horrid act of evil, that He used for ultimate good, exactly like Scripture says. 😊👍🏻
@@shuntymcfuggles3623 Amen.
I submit the following:
John 15:5-6
Romans 11:22
Hebrews 6:4-6
1 Timothy 4:1
2 Peter 2:20, 3:17
I would have to disagree my brother in Christ. I didn't want to do a full dissertation so I'll just go point-by-point.My first scripture as evidence is
Hebrews 10:26-31
[26]For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
[27]But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
[28]He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
[29]Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
[30]For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
[31]It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
There's a difference between sinning willfully (licentiously) and sinning because of sin in the flesh.
Knowing the truth doesn’t equal salvation. Romans one tells us we all know the truth but we suppress it. James 2 tells us the demons know the truth and they tremble. I believe the only way you can lose your salvation is if you can gain it. I don’t believe you can gain it. Salvation is a gift of God. Salvation is of the Lord.
@@johnbluefeld5030 you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. and this is eternal life, to know the one true God and Jesus Christ. There is a difference between knowing in your head and knowing in your heart.
Graft Me Graft Me I Agree. We are saved by knowing in our hearts which the spirit of God awakens in us. I was commenting on the use of Hebrews 10:26 to say that we can lose our salvation. But I don’t believe that we can lose our salvation. The writer of Hebrews says that there is no sacrifice for sins if we willfully sin after having knowledge of the truth but that can be interpreted a number of ways. The main point for me is the writer of Hebrews, although we don’t know who it was, most theologians agree that it was the apostle Paul. And so the same person who most likely said after we gain knowledge of the truth in Romans says that we all know the truth but we suppress it. So everyone has gained knowledge of the truth so I interpret that as head knowledge so Hebrews 10:26 is not saying that you can be saved and lose your salvation. Our hearts are transformed through Christ and by His Spirit. And our minds are then renewed through studying his word.
That is a lie from the pit of hell. The bible says he that endures to the end shall be saved . So, you can loose your salvation if you turn away from God. No, God will never leave you . But you can and many do leave God. Read the bible and you will see you are not once saved always saved.
No one is sealed secure until in the AGE of heaven. Even angels fell before Creation. Christ said - John 10.26-28 'But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you. 27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they FOLLOW Me. 28 And I GIVE them eternal life, and they shall never perish; IN THAT AGE, never shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.' Heretics removed 'in that age' from the verse.
Parables - Sower's Seed, Build on Rock.
Heb 6.4-6 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good Word of God and the powers of the AGE TO COME, 6 and then FALLEN away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame. Eph 2.6-7 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the HEAVENLY places in Christ Jesus, that in the AGES TO COME He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. (Like Catholics/Mary - Baptists have many inventions: Can't Fall, Sinner's Decision Prayer, prohibit wine, dancing). 1Tim 2.12-14
And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.
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@@spnola9650 I know what the bible says I do not follow people videos .The bible is my guide and I get all the infomation I need from it.So you need to study the bible.
@@charlesstubbssr8353 Your ignorant that's why the video I shared are the readings of the greek text. Straight from the word of God. If you don't understand what you read then your spiritually immature.
@@spnola9650 I do not have to understand Greek but English to know what the bible says . You are not ignorant but STUPID.
Remember the children of Israel in Exodus whom God delivered from Egypt but eventually didn't get to the promised Land but were rather destroyed in the wilderness.. If you are born again, you must work your salvation with fear and trembling., otherwise you will find yourself where did not bargain. Like Paul said, " I put my flesh under, I bring into subjection, lest after I might have preached to others, i myself will be cast away.
Remember not all that left Egypt entered Canaan.
The book of Exodus is replete with profound revelation and insights to warn present day believers not to toy with their salvation. Wherefore, if ye be in Christ, walk ye in Him ". May His name be praised forevermore.
There is a reason why Jesus Christ said,"He who endures to the end will be saved". Revelation tells us, if anyone takes away from the prophecy of that book, God will take away that person's name from the Book of Life!! So yes... a person can lose his salvation.
Jesus' work on the cross is 100% sufficient to cover your sins but if you don't live in obedience and in faith he won't be your Lord. Jesus said: "Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say? Listen to what Jesus says. He is not your Lord if you don't do what he says; even though you may call him your Lord.
Amen the TRUTH WAS SPOKEN :-)
This is false teaching. Not the teaching of the bible.
I'd love to see a video on the Parable of the Sower Matthew 13. Very interesting subject. Thank you.
The doctrine of *"once saved, always saved"* was *invented by John Calvin during the Reformation.* Under this theory, the Protestant believes that one is saved when he accepts Jesus as personal Lord and Savior. This is comforting - after all, who wouldn't want assurance? According to this view, true Christians are the ones who will persevere to the end. For those who accepted Christ during their lives but did not persevere to the end, the doctrine calls these people superficial Christians. So true Christians will go to heaven and superficial Christians will not. Not only is this teaching not Scriptural, it is difficult to accept the teaching on reason.
Just because John Calvin liked this belief and claimed to establish it doesn't mean that it wasn't already a thing.
@@AlexAlex-ij3mz : 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️ If John Calvin INVENTED this idea, How can it be already a thing then?. No one BELIEVED in it before John Calvin.
@@salachenkoforley7382 Are you sure? Maybe in European society but how do you know that it wasn't original?
@@AlexAlex-ij3mz : You can start with quoting me a Bible verse that says "Once Saved, Always Saved". and I will show you a verse from the Bible that disapprove of this view of Salvation.
I mean think about it from a logical point-of-view. If you believe in once saved, always saved then that means you're entitled to killing, robbing, adultery, etc etc because you're SAVED!. Jesus NEVER said such thing.
@@salachenkoforley7382 Eternal security isn't a license to sin. It would be like saying since your parents love you no matter what, you should disrespect them for fun since they will never stop loving you.
There is a very simple problem with the dogma of “once saved, always saved.” That problem is that it is just not biblical! The truth is, the dogma of “once saved, always saved” is part of the doctrines and commandments of men. Consider Matthew 15:1-20; Mark 7:1-23 → Galatians 1:6-20 and II John 1:7-11!
We are save Forever Forever
The holy spirit rest sealed in us
Impossible to lose salvation
Hey Allen God Bless You !
But what about when we are in the End Times, and the Word says many will fall away from the faith and they will be given over to their reprobate minds. Wouldnt that be a cause for losing our Salvation?
I think salvation can be lost based on this verse and others like James 5:19-20.
@Kingdom Minded I think that will definitely happen. I think the mark of a true Christian is the hatred of sin and the conviction that they have when they sin. But to your point I think people will fall away from the faith but the question is then were they ever really believers? I’m not sure but all I know is that those who have Gods spirit should keep listening and following and you’ll never go wrong!
Being turned to a reprobate mind doesn't mean losing salvation. No where does it say that. It just means you're so deep in your sin that you've seared your consciousness. If you were previously saved in the Church Age you are always saved - even if you later fall into reprobation.
Look at 1 Corinthians 5: 1 - 5. A man who slept with his father's wife, a sin so severe it was even condemned among pagan Gentiles, Paul says to give him over to satan for the destruction of his flesh (*so he can be saved spiritually at the Lord's coming*)
@@quentoncollins8861 a reprobate mind enables you to decide whats good or bad and so it interferes with repentance Romans 1:28
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do things which are not convenient.
Then it tell us these types of persons have reprobate minds, the fornicators, adulteres etc will not inherit the kingdom of God. That is a persons willingness to keep doing this types of sin so how can a carnal Christian always be saved? Also
Matt 7:15
You will know them by their fruits.
The man paul talked about was giving poor testimony but why would paul say that and not instead kick him out and let him continue living for he will be saved anyway? I believe paul wanted to save him before sin will take over eventually and end up with a reprobate mind that he kept on sinning till his heart would become hardened
Rev 3:16
So, because you are lukewarm neither hot nr cold i am about to spit you out of my mouth.
1 cor 9:27
But I discipline my body and keep it under control, so that after I have preached, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize.
Sorry for the english I hope you can understand what im trying to say her
@@jesusmyonlyking2685 If you need another example of unrepentant Christians look at 2 Corinthians 12:19, 21. Someone who has addictions isn't going to instantly be cleared of that issue. In fact those sins and the gift of repentance is what enables the Holy Spirit to come and be sealed within you the moment you believe on Christ's finished work and his blood atonement, but that doesn't mean you can't back slide because of addictions or lack of self-control over various lusts. 1 Corinthians 6: 9, 11
Using Jesus' words in Matthew is functional, but can't be applied universally because 1. Jesus came only to the lost sheep of Israel, 2. He was preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom which is completely different to Paul's Gospel of Grace which we are under now, 3. What I said above. You can't always necessarily identify someone who's saved.
A reprobate mind doesn't enable you to decide what's good or bad. It's literally where God stops convicting you or trying to call you and turns you over to your sin in hopes you'll eventually return to him once you let that sin destroy your life.
The reason Paul left him up to the destruction of the flesh is because the individual - once saved - has backslid to such a degree that he was willing to do a deed that even the Godless cultures of Gentiles considered a no-no. At this point he's a danger to everyone else around him. It's the same reason God decides to strike people dead assuming they're too far gone and will just lead others astray.
Revelation 3:16 is judging a church collective - not an individual. A church has to be judged on its works clearly because that's its entire intention with soul winning and edifying believers - through works.
1 Corinthians 9: 27 is referring to him losing a crown per 1 Corinthians 9: 25. Salvation is a gift from God - not by works per Ephesians 2: 8, 9. To imply that Paul himself isn't even sure if he'll obtain eternal life - the greatest apostle - flies in the face of verses like Romans 10: 9 and 1 John 5: 13. The Bible is pretty clear that the Dispensation of Grace is a know-so salvation.
I love your teaching on osas... The reassurance I believe some of us need in this challenging day.
OSAS is not a biblically taught doctrine. It is false.
2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 1:13; Ephesians 4:30
Christ be with you
the Holy Spirit is only a guarantee if we do not grieve him with sin
*And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, in whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.*
Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, with all malice, and be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.
Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children. And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.
*But immorality and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you, as is fitting among saints.*
Let there be no filthiness, nor silly talk, nor levity, which are not fitting; but instead let there be thanksgiving.
Be sure of this, that no immoral or impure man, or one who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. (Eph 4:30-5:5)
please read the bible and not just proof texts you have been given
God bless you
With all due respect I disagree with the doctrine "once saved always saved" it is unbiblical because one can fall away from The Most High GOD's grace after receiving the gift of salvation. Not my thoughts, feelings but biblically, John 15:1-7, Hebrew 6:4-8, Hebrews 10:26-27,35-39. This doctrine was an idea of Augustine of Hippo(354-430) remember the bible has to be read in context not into the text (eisegesis) we read out of and not into when one read into the text it creates ones on presupposition.
Ariel I agree. And just to add to your argument I don’t see why this would be in scripture as well if it weren’t true.
“For when they speak great swelling words of emptiness, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through lewdness, the ones who have actually escaped from those who live in error. While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by whom a person is overcome, by him also he is brought into bondage. For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: “A dog returns to his own vomit,” and, “a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.””
II Peter 2:18-22 NKJV
ARIEL Yisrael
So you don’t believe in Christ alone?
You believe you have to do something?
I agree
@@iicecourt00 We believe in Christ work on the cross but the bible is very clear that the wages of sin is death and the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom. Every time you willingly choose to live in sin you repeatedly nail christ to the cross. He died for our sins so that we could live in it no more because sin seperates us from God. Don't justify sin nor say its okay. Once saved always saved is not biblical
So you believe you can be "good enough" to deserve salvation?
just saw your vids recently talking about this. one thing you know something or someone truly came from God, is his preaching is consistent from beginning to now as to how God is the same from before and now. Amen!
Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling
I hope you consider this view, because I think this is an important topic.
"They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off."
Ro 11:20-22.
For the first 1500 years of Christian history no one taught eternal security as described by the doctrine of PotS. John Calvin was the first. Not even St. Augustine (who Calvin derived most of his teachings from) taught this doctrine. All of the ante-Nicene ECFs expressly taught against such a doctrine, labelling it as gnostic teaching.
There are way too many passages of scripture that imply one can lose their salvation by rejecting their faith for me to believe in such a thing: 1 Timothy 4:1, John 15:5-6, James 5:19-20, 1 Cor 15 1-2, 1 Timothy 4:16, Hebrews 3:12-19, 2 Peter 2:20-22, Mathew 24:10-13, James 1:12. Even the parable of the sower in Matthew, Mark, and Luke speaks of one who receives the Gospel with joy and "believe for a while", but in a time of testing fall away. It seems hard to read a few pages of NT scripture without finding a warning about falling away.
I really really appreciate all of your messages. They are bible-based and very helpful! May God bless you.
Steve Cedeno you are being decieved, but then you probably want your ear tickled, please go to honest news Network with brother Joseph Skinner God bless you.
nosha dean yep, Steve is deceived. You can lose your salvation. Names are blotted out of the book of life. This is the real and scriptural truth on the once saved always saved doctrine. ua-cam.com/video/2W28zs_0ZX0/v-deo.html
God Jesus teach SECURITY - John 6 and John 10! Jesus bless you too Brother!
Bro Allen to say we ourselves cannot be snatched out of God's hands takes away our free will. We can choose to follow Christ or not. Notice the "IF's" by the Apostle Paul: IF we deny Him, He will also deny us 2 Tim 2:12. ...(and set apart for His purpose) IF you hold firmly to the Word 1Cor 15::2. ...IF you continue in His kindness - otherwise you too will be cut off. Rom 11:22...IF you continue in the faith Col 1:23 ...we will reap IF we do not give in. Gal 6:9. Also Matt 12:43-45 and 2 Pet 2:20-22 As for the predestination theory I agree God chooses certain people to do certain things but they still have power of choice. Some people boastfully say they are chosen by God --where does that leave the rest of us? Jesus said come unto me ALL who are weary and heavy laden and I will give you rest Matt 11:28 I believe God predestined what holy people would be like Rom 8:29-30 hope this doesn't sound like an argument and I agree with you we shouldn't argue for unbelievers are looking and listening and becoming more and more indifferent to Christianity. Thank you and God bless you.
Reasons 3 and 4 I think) are screaming predestination
nope...it's something you pray for
Under the Gospel of the Kingdom, which Christ commanded His twelve disciples to preach to the Jewish people of Israel & Judah, it requires endurance to the end (Matthew 24:13), whereas under the Gospel of Christ, revealed by Christ directly to the Apostle Paul, (Ephesians 3:2) as the revelation of the mystery, which is also the hidden wisdom (1 Corinthians 2:7), salvation requires simple faith (Ephesians 2:8 & 9) and not works, thus provides assurance and eternal security( 2 Timothy 2:11-13)
Debatable topic.
I would use caution here.
I've met a couple people who were devoted Christian, then i saw them a couple years later and they wanted nothing to do with Jesus.
I can't explain why
That's sad and kinda scary
It's not at all a debatable topic. 1 John 2:19 explains that people like that were never saved to begin with. They couldn't lose what they never had.
@@emjay_mcri Amen, that is true
Matt 24 they were probably false converts.
Amanda Richards how do you know you are saved, is it just accepting Jesus as your savior
Thank you so much for this message. So grateful for Gods forgiveness.
When you are genuinely and truly saved by grace through faith, then you are sealed by the Holy Spirit. (Ephesians 1:13-14) A seal is an evidence or proof that God owns you and therefore, will never throw you being His child into hell and the lake of fire. Never! for doing so will make Him not a good God and loving Father at all.❤
OSAS = crime promoting/perpetuating HERESY
I think there's a huge miscorrelation here. Salvation is not about being saved and sinning. But about believing to the end. We were saved because we respond by faith in God's offer of salvation. Unless, God forced us to believe in Him, then He can Forced us to remain in Him and will be saved 'till the end.
In one of my visitations to hell, Jesus showed me a person who was a Christian (Jesus said “he was a Christian like you”). But the guy unfortunately started sleeping around (1 cor 6:9). He died middle aged and went to hell forever it was dark but Jesus lit up the area, he asked Jesus for another chance but unfortunately it was too late for him, Pretty sad, Repent and ask Jesus to help you with your struggles (James 4:7)
Great video & points. Very sound. When Jesus said “it is finished,” He meant it...entirely. So yes, when we come to Faith...when we truly come to Christ, He will by no means let us go!
I think what trips people up is not really understanding your point #4 on perseverance.
Many people think that once “they’re saved” they can no longer sin. So they are unrepentant and unforgiving. The hard truth there is if that’s the case, they are also not Christian. It’s still true that the don’t “lose” salvation, for they cannot lose something they’ve never truly received.
The point of perseverance is KNOWING that we are children of God. Knowing by ensuring. And I go in greater detail about that in this video: The Best Way to Make Sure You’re a Child of God ua-cam.com/video/5jH5ZZ9TKWk/v-deo.html
May the Lord continue to bless your vocation!
it's also a matter of growing and maturing, and God's ( Elohim) sanctification and purification work in us, Romans 8:28 -30 and 1 John ch 1 - 3 apply here, be blessed.
Jah Bread. I guess you have been listening to the lies of Joseph Prince or the like (flatterers/offering sweet things/ idolatrous money hoarders-worshipers). When Jesus said it was finished, he meant that all the things prophesied of him in the OT had came to past. That is what NT scripture states. All was not finished as Jesus said he would send the comforter (Holy Spirit) with further instruction for the church. If all was finished there would have been no reason for Paul and the other apostles to instruct the church as to what Christian doctrine was. Some would like for it to have been all finished so they would not have to obey the instructions of the Holy Spirit through the apostles teachings to the church.
2 Timothy 2:19, ESV: But God's firm foundation stands, bearing this seal: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of the Lord depart from iniquity.”
Great video! Keep up the good work my brother!