Josh Smith - How to quickly hear and use the modes.
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- Опубліковано 20 чер 2024
- A quick way to hear and use the modes of the Major scale. They were a mystery to me until I tied each one to a Major, Minor, Dominant or Half Diminished chord. Once you hear them this way, then you can apply them.
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things I love about Josh smith his knowledge and reverence of music history. He pays respect to the players that went before him and how each generation is a building block for the next. His knowledge of theory and how to use it to create music and not just play music theory. He's accessible and enjoyable to listen to. He can melt your face with licks but can play sensitive and beautiful melody. JS one of the best musicians out there today
That's incredibly kind of you.
Dear mr Smith. I want to expres my thanks for this video, this was the last part I needed to Connect the dots… you basicly unlocked the whole fretboard for me. All the hours of practicing scales are now going to pay off. All the best! Keep doing what you do!
Josh is a talented and well educated guitarist, much better than me. But I learned a mode 41 years ago that I'm sure Josh learned before he was 21 and that is the "Bar Mode." That's where you learn to play all the correct notes that people in bars like to hear! We are both good at the Bar Mode but Josh went on to learn, (most importantly) understand and utilize chord and scale knowledge which automatically makes him an accomplished guitarist. Then he shares his knowledge online to help struggling guitar players get past sticking points and help them with the same things he needed help with. Talented and a great guy!
I can't imagine thumbs down on this lesson. Josh gave freely a wealth if info that made so much practical sense on a subject i have tried to get my head around for so long watching tutorials and reading about. thanks Josh your amazing!
I appreciate that!
Man I am 29 but I also learnt the most out of anything from that particular old Schofield video on modes. It just made complete sense the way he demonstrated them. I like to think of them as "moods." Someone taught me that one time also! Sco, what an absolute legend.
Josh, the algorithm bots just put this in my suggested stuff. Thanks, really made things clearer than they'd been before. Appreciate it.
Glad it helped!
This one has almost made me have a break through. Now I can understand why I am using a couple of the modes and how they sound when using it properly. My issue (which I know comes down to practice & time) is using it in a progression and being able to switch between the chords. I swear this is the hardest instrument in the world to figure out. Also my mind can understand things and put together stuff that my fingers can't quite do.
This is great. One of the things i found beneficial when learning about modes was when i found certain players favoured certain modes. So, for example Santana uses Dorian, Al DiMeola uses phyrigian, Satriani likes Lydian, Beck likes Mixolydian. That helped me understand how each of these modes sound.
How does a legend of the sport only have 10k subs?? Google and UA-cam got something against you man - I'm keeping an eye on this!!
This is awesome mate. Keep em coming.
Great lesson! Thank you Josh.
Josh, you are hitting it out of the park! Keep doing it!
What a great video. Very informative. Thanks.
Very useful information. Thank you!
This is absolutely brilliant 👍
Great lesson, master! Thanks a lot!
Great lesson! Very straightforward!!
Thank you Josh much appreciated 🙏
Josh Smith, this is a great lesson, as always! You're a great inspiration, thanks a million.
You teach the way I learn. I joined. Thanks Josh.
Very good way to explain them. Thanks Josh.
Great way to get the sound and feel of the modes.
Thanks Josh appreciate you
Good stuff Josh!
Wow!! This is HUGE to me!! What an eye opener! Thank you so much for this. You narrowed down (for me) what used to be a mess! Thank you so much for this Sir and please accept my huge appreciation from Montreal, Canada :)
I love these videos, nothing like learning from a master
That was super useful, thanks!
this lesson could not come at a better time. Thank you for finally clearing up some concepts for me.
Awww what! This is such a cool season in growth for me! Thank you and blessings from Oz
Superb introduction to the modes, demonstrated with great skill and finesse.
Cool lesson Josh. It's a shame that more people don't take this approach to teaching modes. AjC
Thank u for this Mr Smith
Hi Josh. While it sucks that you can't be on the road in these trying times, it's great that you can find the time to inspire and educate us. It was great to meet you and hear you last time here in Oslo. Hope to see you again sometime soon. Take care and thanks again!
awesome: I learn music, guitar and english all in one pack
I think it's a badge for everyone who joins the channel
You get it when you become a member
You hear music? This Fucking vidio is a Real Shit.
Wonderful, thank you.
Great video! This is very similar to how we describe the modes in our study program, or any scale for that matter... they always describe a scale... so making that correlation is like an epiphany once it clicks in your head 🤙🏾
Joe Satriani of the blues, nice lesson Josh thank you!!!
Thanks for this great lesson Josh! I really appreciate it and can echo the frustration with modes. I will definitely be practicing this like you've demonstrated. One other method that was pretty helpful to me as well is the one demonstrated by Frank Gambale. It was a good way to see how the modes derived from the major scale but your video is really helpful to see how it can be used easily.
Josh, this is great! Thank you! I’ll be present when you get to the southeast U.S.!
This is great man, keep it up!
This is so damn useful. Thanks Josh!
Better late than never for discovering these videos. Honestly so very helpful as I’m starting to learn more and more about theory, I love your explanations and examples and honestly just listening to you talk is very calming to me.
Great lesson, it almost makes sense!! Thank you so much Josh you are a great player!
My pleasure!
Ah modes...so simple it's confusing 😂 Cheers Josh!!
Thanks so much, Josh. For me the best part is taking them out of "G dorian is a Fmajor scale" etc. I started doing my modes like that but it would get too much thinking of the chord that's being played then the chord that the scale is based on and then the next chord we're going to. So just approaching them as scales on their own on the chord that is being played, really simplifies things.... I think. Thanks again.
Beautiful full sound from the T
Great video Josh -- I remember a Satriani article from years ago where he described how to create a modal chord progression by playing the IV and V triads from the "parent scale" over the mode root -- for example G Lydian you play G and A (IV and V of D) over a G bass note -- for G Phrygian you play Ab and Bb (IV and V of Eb) over a G bass note -- G dorian you play Bb and C (IV and V of F) over the G bass -- G Locrian is Db and Eb over G -- etc etc etc
Hello Josh! Great video and great playing as always. Understanding and learn to listen to the modes over the chords is very important to open your ears and phrasing. An A Dorian Mode over an A7 chord is, for example, in my thinking, a Myxolidian A scale with a flat third. So you can use it as A pentatonic minor with the major six and the major second with the great advantage, over an A7 chord, to be able to bend the minor third or to use the minor/major third movement for that great bluesy sound! Have a great day and thank you for sharing all this great material. Sorry for my poor english (I am from Italy). Alberto
Great example, man. Good video.
I didn’t know you had a channel...this came across as recommended. Really enjoyed your playing over the years...Awesome look forward to more from you! No pressure right?
Thanks Josh, I did not know about your channel. Joined now.
Welcome!
You are one of the best in the bussiness
Love these vids Josh! Ur a badass 😛 wondering would it make more sense to jam the phrygian sound over a susb9 chord?
Damn man. You’re one incredible player. I would really like to see you do some live-streams like Pete Thorn. That would be cool.
Thanks Josh! This video was a light bulb moment! Made my day 💪
Glad to hear it!
Yet another way that sometimes helps folks is to start with a pentatonic scale and then add the characteristic mode interval, like start with minor pentatonic (minor scale with no 2nd or 6th) and then add only a major 6th and really focus on that tone for Dorian, change it to minor 6th to hear Aeolian, add minor 2nd to hear Phrygian, do same with major pentatonic adding the missing 4th and 7th to hear Lydian, Ionian, Mixolydian. That and this chord overlay method go well together and are both more helpful than the usual derivative scale method many piano teachers tend to use.
^ this here. After trying to get used to every way to approach modes, this to me is by far the quickest and yet effective one for who gets confused by all the different shapes to learn like I do. In addition, being forced to learn intervals this way I find I can play less more tasteful notes!
Seems the most logical approach, as this is the way I explain my playing.
I never learned the modes, and don’t feel like I am missing anything.
I am self taught. I don’t play like Josh, but I’m not trying to, either.
It’s much easier to tell me the key a song is in, and what the key center would be.
I’m a singer/songwriter, so I look at the guitar a little differently than a “guitarist” might.
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Fantastic @joshsmith. Next how to move through the changes would be a good follow up video. I hope to become a ruler soon. :)
Coming soon!
Great lesson. Here lately I have been stuck in the grouchy mode. LOL 😂
Love the star wars prints! 👽
I personaly view modes as scales on their own , they just happen to share the same key signature with a major scale. But have a completly different Intervalic signature.
So during practice I prefer for instance Playing C major, then C Myxolydian (only by making the 7th a b7) and so on and so forth.
Yep, another great way to hear the intervals in each mode and what makes them unique and why they work over certain chords!
I understand theoretically what modes should do but if I’m being honest I’ve struggled to get them in my playing in a way that sounds musical
@@seansrecords hopefully this approach helps make them useable.
Hello Josh, hello Sean and Astarte! Great video and great playing as always. Understanding and learn to listen to the modes over the chords is very important to open your ears and phrasing. An A Dorian Mode over an A7 chord is, for example, in my thinking, a Myxolidian A scale with a flat third. So you can use it as A pentatonic minor with the major six and the major second with the great advantage, over an A7 chord, to be able to bend the minor third or to use the minor/major third movement for that great bluesy sound! Have a great day and thank you for sharing all this great material. Sorry for my poor english (I am from Italy). Alberto
So perfectly explained, maybe tabs for the modes would help..
Great tuto!
Great video! Do you consider doing the same for modes of other scales (melodic minor, harmonic minor etc)? For churches modes there is already a vast amount of YT content, but for other scales' modes it's lacking.
RULING. I was literally editing a video for my Patreon supporters on "how to hear and use modes" when you posted this... I'm sending them your way as a followup/companion to the video I made. I mean I knew your time was good, but SHIT!
What a beast!
I'm familiar with that scofield video! Big help!
This is free gold
This was great Josh thanks. As I age I am getting more into a more minimalist kind of music with less chords. Hanging onto one chord for 2 or more bars let me "hear" or discover the modes better. For me if a progression goes by too fast then I usually switch to my trusted notes. Although I love Jazz I don't consider myself a Jazz player. But I do hear modes in the more modern Jazz (Pharaoh Sanders comes to mind).
I accidentally hit a Bb over an EMaj7/9 chord a few years ago and although it sounded "off" to the other players my ears all of a sudden said "try that again I like it". That is when I discovered it was Lydian mode. It's a beautiful mode and easy to switch between it and major and minor pentatonic.
One question I have is this. Should the Bass player be playing differently when a mode is being used?
Anyway thanks for doing these videos helping all of us keep the love of music alive. Hoping to see you live one day. Cheers and love from Montreal.
Alright guys, let's get Josh to 100k subs immediately.
Gold.
I am still trying to figure out what recording console that is!! I never knew that Josh was doing things like this! Thanks a ton, loved the lesson!
It's a vintage Trident series 70
Josh Smith very cool! Thank you Josh!
I once saw a video where a guy said that the Dorian sound was emphasized by the i minor to the IV dominant chord change. That's the only time much to do with the modes has clicked for me. That's the only time I can really hear it.
Josh is a great Player and had some cool stuff about Blues and playing over the changes,but i think he is not a modal stuff player (what i hear), if you really want to learn things about
Modes check out Frank Gambale and listen to him .he is really into modes, and you can hear it always in his playing.btw you can hear Modes better over modal chord progressions than over a one chord vamp. a one chord vamp maybe a minor 7 chord could be dorian phrygian and aeolian (MM and HM ect.......)but maybe Eb/C and F/C in a progression could be only dorian ect ect
thanx to Josh for all his great stuff thumb up!!!
Excelent video for "grounding" the modes Josh! Quick question, do you ever use dorian + mixolydian to phrase through a II V progression, or you don´t really use modes for those types of chord changes?
Hey Josh. Such a great lesson - thanks! More than anything I think I realize I have to start using my freeze pedal a lot more often. Context is everything for modes.
Where do I get more info on your membership program? The link above just takes me to a blank UA-cam page… At least on iOS.
If you hit join on any video(next to subscribe), or go to my channel front page and hit memberships. Yeah it works best on a computer. Or Http://ua-cam.com/users/joshsmithguitarjoin
Josh Smith Thanks man. I’ll check it out on a computer.
Hi Josh, quick question. Do/did you practice alternate picking a lot when you were learning? You can really shred even without hybrid picking. Do you use hammer ons/offs much? Thanks for the great video.
This is one of those eureka moments
Yeha man ! Love it !! come come Tel-Aviv we eat Hummus !! I buy 👍
Hey Josh, thanks for the vid. How would you approach using a mode over non-extended chords? Ie simple triads? All your examples had the 7th included. Simply put, how would you use say E phyrigian over a simple Em chord?
Its the same idea
E minor Chord tones - E G B
E minor7 - E G B D ( difference only with the m7 note D)
E Phrygian - E F G A B C D E
just compare this ☝with the above
Chord tones , its perfectly working.
Not only phrygian , but remaining minor
Modes - (Dorian , Aeolian) can also
Be used
E Dorian - E F# G A B C# D E
E Aeolian - E F# G A B C D E
also note that the less notes in a chord means you have more freedom with the note choices you play over the chord with.
This is great, I been practicing scales and modes for weeks (beginner here), it sounds to much better when tied to the chord...
Which makes me question, how are you holding the chord? echo pedal?
With a delay on my H9
@@JoshSmithGuitar Thank you!
Thank you. Could you turn up the vocal audio? I appreciate this teaching style on the modes. I found it annoying when learning them that they teach modes in relation to the tonic. I.e. g. ionian, a. dorian ect... Instead of g ionian gm dorian ect.
Hi Josh and many thanks. Which is your H9 Freeze patch?
It was just a factory preset in the tape echo algo.
Hey Josh ! I have a question For being in a key I think we have to stick to f major key. Thn we can play g Dorian over gmin so is it okay to play Dorian phrygian Aeolian over any min chord is that what you are saying ? So if we play like this it doesn't change key?
Yes
@@JoshSmithGuitar thanks man appreciate your work and music n
I found it so much easier to learn these modes just by learning the major scales. For me it was a 'Major' breakthrough :P The modes are just major scales but with a different starting position and the 'Major' scale is a lot easier to learn than the modes on their own. So 'G' Lydian is really a 'D' Major scale and cuz i know the 'D' Major scale i just make sure i focus on the 'G' note of the 'D' Major scale to give it the 'G' Lydian sound. Just learn all the Major scales all over the neck and your done. Simples :)
Exactly, I'm just showing everyone the sound of each mode in relation to a chord. Because as you said they are all the major scale of the 1, but when played with the corresponding chord that each mode/note in the scale represents diatonically, you can hear the signature sound of each mode.
I hear so much steely Dan in this stuff clearly the guitar players on Dan records were all over these modes
Can anyone help: how does Josh get the sustained chord tone? Really helpful. Is it just a delay pedal? (Tx). BTW, great lesson. I had the concept, but this gives a meaty way to practice it.
I'm using a hold delay on the eventide H9
@@JoshSmithGuitar Josh - thanks much for the info, and for the great sessions. It's especially motivating that you share your earlier experiences, and we can see that you went through some of the same things we are now.
Josh...Please link me to John Schofield's "On Improvisation". I have some of Matt Schofield's TrueFire stuff.
Very nice tutorial and tasteful playing. I'm confused why you kept playing an A on the bottom string while demonstrating the G locrian mode? Was that on purpose? Subbed, either way.
It just looks like in the camera angle. Every time I play the pinky(b3) it looks like I'm playing the 2. Hearing it though I'm playing 1(G), b2(Ab), b3(Bb) on the Low E string. I wonder if i should find a better camera angle. Thanks!
@@JoshSmithGuitar Thanks, you're right. I could have sworn you were hitting the 5th fret with your ring finger, but looking more closely it does appear and sound like a b3 with your pinky. Anyway, a good lesson. The penny finally dropped for me a while ago with the concept modes, after being a complete mystery for years. That just seems to be the way it happens with modes, for some reason. It's still fun to watch how other players approach it.
I get it but had a question about why some things are designated minor or flat, like min3, b7 is dorian (as opposed to b3, b7) I've sort of assumed we said min3 as thats the note that makes a scale minor, but what of the mixolydian written as min7 and not b7? Why is Lydian a #4 and not a b5? I realize it's all stating the same thing essentially but get hung up on the naming convention or if there is a logic?
Myxolidian always makes me think "Birdland".
As an 80's guitarist I had missed this crucial piece for some time, thank's for doing a video about it. I'm curious though why you mention the flat 3rd as a minor 3rd but call out all other flats as simply flat. Not judging just wondering if that's a bit more deep theory explanation. Could I be overthinking this again?
That's just completely personal weirdness. I just normally call the 3rd minor or major.
That moment when you go DUH (or maybe DOH!) and want to slap yourself for not seeing it before. Explained so perfectly, thank you!
I still don’t know what mode is what.
I do understand chord scales and intervals.
I just add the “spicy” notes from the maj /min pentatonic scales.
Tell me the key and key center; that’s all I need.
Nice playing, btw!
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Thanks!
It's not easier to think per instance G Dorian as FMajor or G lydian as Dmajor?
ya, this is how i think, Mixolydian is playing the major scale of the IV chord, in this case C, I think i learned that from Jimmy Bruno's lessons, it is just another way to do the math, to be as free as possible when improvising it is probably useful to be able to see it from all angles, the one I use, the way Josh does it here (this is an awesome lesson!) and also seeing the differing notes over a chord per mode, then it would most likely all gel together and feel innate.
That's a good way how to technically play the "right" notes yet completely miss the point about what makes the modes special.
Modes: No More Mystery? My butt !
In naming them, I'm more confused now than I was before video.
So a G Dorian is really a G minor out of the key of F ?
As you can see, I'm very confused.. I'm to used to relating them to the tonic chord, for instance, A C Dorian would be starting on a D note and finish out the C major scale. Josh, I know the Nashville number system and my Maj, minor,minor,Maj,Maj dom5, minor, diminshed or half dim, back to 1
but, I guess I always never named a mode right ? Great playing Josh and that guitar sounds fantastic man !
Not the way to do it, C Dorian would be the notes of Bb Major from the 2nd degree of that scale. D Dorian is what you described, playing C major but treating D as the root! Can be tricky but it is semantics in that respect and honestly, experiencing the sound as part of a piece of music is a much easier way to understand them. At least in my approach
@@mbustamantemusic Thanks ! I'm too old school I guess ?
As mentioned, Modes No More Mystery by Frank Gombale is what I need to study.. But, I think Josh Smith is the new Hero for me and the hybrid picking that Josh does is almost the same method.
The right hand relaxation is key in most pickers of Josh's caliber!
Would love to jam with Josh and pick his brain on this ! This cat is tone and talent all the way !
Will be following and studying Josh !
He's my new favorite
picker !
Dont overcomplicate it. The relation to the major scale is good to know if you want to understand the theory, but its not the way to think when you are actually playing IMO...think of G Dorian as minor with a raised 6th, not as the 2nd mode of F major. Once you tie the modes to major or minor and start fiddling around, you realize that the difference between all these modes and the regular major or minor scale is only 1 note. If you know the major and minor scale, you can get the other modes by changing 1 single note in those scales. If you start with a minor scale, dorian is the same thing with a raised 6th, phrygian is the same thing but with a flattened 2nd. If you start with a major scale, lydian is the same thing, just with a raised 4th, and mixolydian is the same thing but with a flattened 7. This also has the advantage that it tells you exactly what note that gives the mode its distinct sound (the one you change), and it puts the target notes where you are used to them being in the shapes...to make it easier, once you actually start doing this, if you know all the positions of the major scale, you will realize that you already know the shapes of these modes :)
Minor is a mode...but you are not really thinking about how it relates to some major scale when playing, right? Take the same approach with the other modes, they are no different really...
@@user-lx7kl4sp2y Thanks for the help ! I hope how soon I can sit down and get working on this !
Thanks , I appreciate it very much !
i cant anderstand why the lydian mode sounds good on a MAJ7 chord, I mean -shouldn't it be dissonance because of the #4 note playing on the 3rd degree?
Great Lesson.
The sound of your Loop Chord.. ähmmm.... Dentist Styley...
I joined as a member to get the modes bonus tip and theres no bonus tip?
There is a bonus video!
@@JoshSmithGuitar Where ? Thank you
The bonus videos are Intermediate rulers and above. The beginner rulers tier is mostly just if you want to support me in a small way. You get the emojis, a badge and access to the members only live streams that I'll be doing twice a month.
Sorry it's confusing, It's new for UA-cam as well And they don't do a great job explaining it. If you watch my description video I explain the tiers. Thanks for the support
@@JoshSmithGuitar Got ya. I upgraded. Thank you.
do I need to know all of these / doesn't one just pickup this kind of stuff when playing?
It's certainly up to you whether you need to know something or not. But, knowing more can never be a negative in my opinion.
i'm not sure how to choose between the minor modes
I don't understand why you use backing tracks of major and minor 7th chords (jazzy chords) for the first four modes, as opposed to just normal major and minor chords, Is it because modes almost always sound better with jazz chords?
I don't think of Major or Min 7 chords as Jazzy, these are everyday chords. The idea works the same though over straight triads. Thanks!
@@JoshSmithGuitar Thanks for replying Josh, I really appreciate that. You inspire me w. your mastery, it's a joy to learn from you