I have a question does reverb take the 5% out of the shipping you charge also and if not why not increase shipping price and decrease selling price? Also this 2.5% charge for transactions is this on the buyers cc and is this charged when they transfer funds to your bank account?
They charge 5% for using reverb, 2.5% for credit card processing, bump fees(usually 2-3%) plus shipping(which customers can lay, but reverb now treats all the same instead of separate. Reverb costs about 10% to sell anything on.
@@JeremySheppard yes but my question is does reverb take their 5% off of just the sale price not what you are charging for shipping you can just jack the shipping price up in this case and avoid paying 5% on your profit if you charge a higher shipping fee if this is possible the customer looks at total price anyway.
I've only sold 3 to 4 things on Reverb and they ranged from 1k to 1500 each in price. I've priced UPS shipping outside of Reverb with insurance and it has come out almost the same in the end after the Reverb fees and protection. For example, I just shipped an amp through Reverb after fees etc it was 145.00. UPS wanted 170.00 ground already packaged.
Thank you! This is the video that all sellers need to watch. I would watch a 12 hour livestream of the cons of Reverb. They lost me for good with their “the buyer is always right,” attitude.
YEs your shops return policies apparently don't mean anything. I had a customer blind return a guitar well after the return period and they expected me to honor it. My shops return policy is 3 days, I told them they are welcome to issue a refund after that.
Reverb just covered the cost of a new guitar case when the shipping peanuts melted to a case in transit. Great customer service, but yeah, at a premium cost.
You should always wrap a case with a plastic bag before adding peanuts. That doesn't help now but for those of you shipping guitars, go buy some furniture bags and wrap your cases!
So I’m a hobby seller on Reverb (less than 200/mo), and I love all your suggestions on shipping items! Such a great idea to put a personal touch in there. I’m just wondering if you’re selling something less than the buyer protection amount (I think you said 1500?) do you feel that Reverb can work?
In the music business, it's never good to talk anyone or anything down. But...I have to agree with you here. I too have had the same experience when selling my vintage SHURE microphone. I finally got so unhappy with the final cost, I just told them to keep the money and bailed out and the buyer got a FREE vintage SHURE mic. I have now been looking at other fair options. My question to you is, Can you help sell my 1968? vintage Hofner Beatle Bass.
Hey Jeremy, thanks for making this video! I've sold my last two guitars on eBay rather than Reverb. Not by choice, per se, I list on both with a slight discount on eBay because of their more lax return policy and lower fees. Prior to the last two, I was appalled when I saw the final payout amount of a sale on Reverb. Combined with the tax changes (which, honestly, I don't quite understand fully to be honest -- sometimes _I__ pay taxes on a sale??? what??? I'm in NJ). I looked at gBase and it's very interesting but the monthly fee is what gets me. I'm not a full fledged "guitar hunter". I'm just an average joe who likes NGD so I let things go and get new things once in a while. When I can turn a profit, it's great, but, if not, I'm okay with the idea of "renting a guitar for $50 for a year", if you know what I mean. What this means is I sometimes go a few months without listing an item, then have only 1 item listed until it sells, then another month of no listings. My question is: do you think gBase would make sense for a seller like me? Can you "pause" your account so you are only getting charged by gBase when you have a listing? It would be great if this were the case and even better if it were prorated by days. I wouldn't mind paying $1.20 per day to have an "active" store. I also have concerns about the number of users on gBase. Reverb is still King for buyers and when I list, I usually hope to have a sale within a month, even if I take a small loss on the gear (refer to my aforementioned "rental mentality." -- does gBase have a large enough user base to move gear quickly, compared to Reverb? Anyway, thanks again for your insights!
That's because you're now actually buying/selling guitars on Etsy. I'll never sell another guitar on reverb. I'll keep them all first. BUT!.. In glad you did this video. I'd never heard of Gbase before. Maybe I'll buy something from that site.
Luckily, the majority of my selling days are over. I do still buy some things on reverb, but I had a gut feeling that reverb was going to go down hill when etsy took over. They did wait to try to make us all feel okay about the transition, but I'm thankful for videos like this that call them out. What a bunch of greedy pukes.
Pictures are the number one thing in my book. I take professional-esque pictures of the things I sell every time. Think about all those really nice instruments people sell in a corner of a dark room 🤦
I paid about $586 just months ago for a pacific blue Epi Les Paul, and i just sold the thing for $250, after fees I'll make less than $200. Part of the issue is also the fact that some Reverb buyers are just cheap. They don't look at something compared to the new thing and decide it's a good deal. They just decide they don't want to pay that.
Isn't there a free option for someone like me who doesn't have a lot of gear but just wants to unload the small amount of unused gear they have laying about?
I ship from my own FedEx account since I also have third party insurance already. It's free to get your own FedEx account and you will get a discount on their regular fees. That said, there are several reasons I'm not happy with changes that have recently happened with the Etsy buyout.
UPS has been raping me. Sent an Ibanez guitar from Pittsburgh to Texas, cost $226. How are you shipping a bigger guitar like a J45 for $35? Please enlighten me... thank you 🙏
They do not direct processing of funds. It will go through your PayPal or your website. If it's about $600 you will be required to declare it as income.
It depends on your Federal tax bracket. Whatever you make on a sale will be considered income and added to your other annual income. @@CaptainOfMyBurden82
Yeah, I just sold my last thing on Reverb. Right after the jump to 5%. I thought I was paying 5%, turns out it was a few more percent after the other fees. I then had to verify my account that I've had for IDK 6 or 7 years before they would process the payment (Paypal), then it took a couple days after that. I can do without them.
I wish there was a reverb pro version which people can see who put the items in the cart to really sell the item through knowing exactly who saw it lol
What's really a shame is that the founder of Reverb created Reverb for the musicians as alternative to Ebay. But now everyone is going back to ebay! Much respect to the founder for taking action on this platform, who apparently is sitting fat on the sale to Etsy- good for him and well deserved. But for me? I just sold $4400 worth of stuff and was charged $665 in fees! I could of bought a whole new synthesizer for the amount I paid in fees. Normally I don't "complain" about things like this. But I think this is the end of what was once a good thing.
I’d say screw them, if anything, buy from the store itself if the seller is a shop. Bypass the fees and just make sure they assure the guitar/amp will be packed properly.
Sold an expensive item recently by a certain shipper. Paid them to box it, insured it. They dropped it of course and damaged it. Put in my a claim. Here’s what the letter said. Denied!!! You packed it wrong. Over $100 to ship and their so called pledge is supposed to cover everything. So I called the store. They’re fine with us but claims kept asking tons of questions and would say we’ll transfer the call and disconnect us. So I told the store and asked to put me through to a manager at claims. A mean manager at claims. Anyway, sent in the same pics etc. and that was passed onto more managers. I wrote and said what have you decided I’ve waited long enough?! What’s the tracking number he said. Uh it’s right there sir in the subject line. At this point I’m getting angrier and angrier. Reverb didn’t help me btw. So the claims manager said well we don’t need the items sent back thank goodness because that’s a pain at the very least. Luckily, my buyer was nice anyway, they gave me back the whole amount. I couldn’t believe it and that’s why when I said to the manager at the claims dept did you decide yet? I got ignored. They lost money. Re reverb when a utuber sent me a sqooshed broken item that took months to get around the world. He didn’t pack it correctly. He didn’t insure it. He told me to take it up with the shipper. Only the seller can. Reverb did not protect me. They got me a partial refund. Why partial? Infuriated with reverb and shippers. Put fragile stuff on the bottom ffs. Now I’m too worried to ship anything after this fiasco. It took weeks of working on getting my buyer his money back. It’s not that simple. They make it difficult. Faxing and printing and doing it over and over hoping you give up. Denied and trying other ways. Furious. And reverb useless.
Really...I went to the site & you would think they would give you an overview of what the site is all about without joining...Be nice to get some details! Or maybe I'm just not seeing something. I don't like giving up my email address beforehand.
You gave lots of negatives for Reverb, and I agree with them wholeheartedly, but you didn't give any pros for G-Base. I have never used that site before and when I looked into it after seeing one of your posts, it looks really outdated and clunky and purchases can't be made through the site so if you're just an average seller like me (I buy and sell a few things a month but by no means do this for a living) and not a shop or a business, I'm weary of buying or collecting payments through some other site without knowing if G-Base will back me up like Reverb would.
Well said. Truth is I shot a longer format video loading all my gear onto GBase and it was lost so I had to reshoot. I'll do another video comparing the two.
Amazon, PayPal, Wizards of the Coast and Amazon all accept my credit card, but Reverb won't accept my credit card. When buying it's no problem, but I can't use PayPal for selling? What the actual hell is going on here?
Got off Reverb in 2018. Just a horrible website to sell through. Hidden deceptive fees on international transactions through PayPal were the last straw. Reverb added themselves a slice of the currency conversion when PayPal had done the work. Once I refunded a customer because Reverb were taking too much money and Reverb had to refund $45 in hidden international currency conversion fees when they did nothing. It was a pure and simple scam. Reverb was always more than expected and customer service to fix their schmozzle was zero.
I wonder if both EBay and Reverb are getting as greedy as they can while it lasts. After going through forums different posts on websites, people are very unhappy. And the number of people that are starting to feel resentment and bitterness is growing every day it seems. I was reading that EBay has already lost some big sellers and lots of sellers packed up shop and bounced. Because they felt they got screwed over doing business on eBay. Word spreads so many new sellers go elsewhere. Which is somewhat good because other alternative sites start springing up. And now reverb is starting to follow that same pattern of greed.
After pursuing the site, I’m of the opinion that Gbase is not even close to a viable substitute for Reverb. At best, it’s on par with most classified resources. Perhaps I’m missing something. Looking forward to your comparison video
Reverb is the best way to get your guitar in front of the most potential buyers, but selling high end ($1,500+) guitars has become prohibitive. I'll only sell lower cost items on it.
@@JeremySheppard And why do I have to deal with taxes for their state? If they bought the guitar in their state fine, but if you live in NV and you buy a guitar from texas, why is there nevada tax on my rundown ... which has apparently been added to the sale and removed again? I am going to show a massive NOL for 2022.
I misunderstood your comment up top. I lead with how much I love reverb and think it's a good solution but it's not a good place to sell expensive or vintage gear.
Do not buy from reverb. I buy a item and not even been notified if my item is on it's way. And I cannot contact anyone from the reverb site. This site should be closed down
The nature of how they want to do reviews says it all....giving a 3 star review for an order that “added tracking” considered shipped but wasn’t actually received by shipper for 7 days...a message popped up telling me to “resolve the issue before leaving review” Reverb is now garbage and Etsy only bought it to wrench every dime out of it....
thanks jeremy for your honesty, i just joined gbase
Interesting box selection for your video.
I have a question does reverb take the 5% out of the shipping you charge also and if not why not increase shipping price and decrease selling price? Also this 2.5% charge for transactions is this on the buyers cc and is this charged when they transfer funds to your bank account?
They charge 5% for using reverb, 2.5% for credit card processing, bump fees(usually 2-3%) plus shipping(which customers can lay, but reverb now treats all the same instead of separate.
Reverb costs about 10% to sell anything on.
@@JeremySheppard yes but my question is does reverb take their 5% off of just the sale price not what you are charging for shipping you can just jack the shipping price up in this case and avoid paying 5% on your profit if you charge a higher shipping fee if this is possible the customer looks at total price anyway.
@@JeremySheppard I think it's more. I just sold a les paul for $250 and I bet it's going to be more than $25 when the dust settles
I've only sold 3 to 4 things on Reverb and they ranged from 1k to 1500 each in price. I've priced UPS shipping outside of Reverb with insurance and it has come out almost the same in the end after the Reverb fees and protection. For example, I just shipped an amp through Reverb after fees etc it was 145.00. UPS wanted 170.00 ground already packaged.
Packaging adds a lot to the cost of shipping, does it not?
Thank you! This is the video that all sellers need to watch. I would watch a 12 hour livestream of the cons of Reverb. They lost me for good with their “the buyer is always right,” attitude.
YEs your shops return policies apparently don't mean anything. I had a customer blind return a guitar well after the return period and they expected me to honor it. My shops return policy is 3 days, I told them they are welcome to issue a refund after that.
Reverb just covered the cost of a new guitar case when the shipping peanuts melted to a case in transit. Great customer service, but yeah, at a premium cost.
You should always wrap a case with a plastic bag before adding peanuts. That doesn't help now but for those of you shipping guitars, go buy some furniture bags and wrap your cases!
jmdbb Definitely. I was the buyer for this particular transaction. Got a brand new Taylor hard case out of the deal, so I’m very happy.
So I’m a hobby seller on Reverb (less than 200/mo), and I love all your suggestions on shipping items! Such a great idea to put a personal touch in there. I’m just wondering if you’re selling something less than the buyer protection amount (I think you said 1500?) do you feel that Reverb can work?
In the music business, it's never good to talk anyone or anything down. But...I have to agree with you here. I too have had the same experience when selling my vintage SHURE microphone. I finally got so unhappy with the final cost, I just told them to keep the money and bailed out and the buyer got a FREE vintage SHURE mic. I have now been looking at other fair options. My question to you is, Can you help sell my 1968? vintage Hofner Beatle Bass.
Hey Jeremy, thanks for making this video!
I've sold my last two guitars on eBay rather than Reverb. Not by choice, per se, I list on both with a slight discount on eBay because of their more lax return policy and lower fees.
Prior to the last two, I was appalled when I saw the final payout amount of a sale on Reverb. Combined with the tax changes (which, honestly, I don't quite understand fully to be honest -- sometimes _I__ pay taxes on a sale??? what??? I'm in NJ).
I looked at gBase and it's very interesting but the monthly fee is what gets me. I'm not a full fledged "guitar hunter". I'm just an average joe who likes NGD so I let things go and get new things once in a while. When I can turn a profit, it's great, but, if not, I'm okay with the idea of "renting a guitar for $50 for a year", if you know what I mean.
What this means is I sometimes go a few months without listing an item, then have only 1 item listed until it sells, then another month of no listings.
My question is: do you think gBase would make sense for a seller like me? Can you "pause" your account so you are only getting charged by gBase when you have a listing? It would be great if this were the case and even better if it were prorated by days. I wouldn't mind paying $1.20 per day to have an "active" store.
I also have concerns about the number of users on gBase. Reverb is still King for buyers and when I list, I usually hope to have a sale within a month, even if I take a small loss on the gear (refer to my aforementioned "rental mentality." -- does gBase have a large enough user base to move gear quickly, compared to Reverb?
Anyway, thanks again for your insights!
These would probably be questions that GBase can answer most accurately
My vote for the thumbnail won
I’ll use Reverb as a buyer but I’m pretty much done with them as a seller. If I sell, I am passing on the extra fee structure to the listing price.
as a buyer?
they're too over priced
That's because you're now actually buying/selling guitars on Etsy. I'll never sell another guitar on reverb. I'll keep them all first. BUT!.. In glad you did this video. I'd never heard of Gbase before. Maybe I'll buy something from that site.
Luckily, the majority of my selling days are over. I do still buy some things on reverb, but I had a gut feeling that reverb was going to go down hill when etsy took over. They did wait to try to make us all feel okay about the transition, but I'm thankful for videos like this that call them out. What a bunch of greedy pukes.
5:53 "Its getting better all the time" GETTING SO MUCH BETTER ALL THE TIME
Damn...! Thanks for this info ....rock on
Pictures are the number one thing in my book. I take professional-esque pictures of the things I sell every time. Think about all those really nice instruments people sell in a corner of a dark room 🤦
I paid about $586 just months ago for a pacific blue Epi Les Paul, and i just sold the thing for $250, after fees I'll make less than $200. Part of the issue is also the fact that some Reverb buyers are just cheap. They don't look at something compared to the new thing and decide it's a good deal. They just decide they don't want to pay that.
Isn't there a free option for someone like me who doesn't have a lot of gear but just wants to unload the small amount of unused gear they have laying about?
Craigslist
New to Gbase, do i have to open a store to purchase gear?
No, it's basically a directory of guitar shops. You should find the contact information and you can reach out to the store or seller directly.
@@JeremySheppard thanks jeremy. I just didn't see any shipping cost on a listing, or payment options I can use.
I ship from my own FedEx account since I also have third party insurance already. It's free to get your own FedEx account and you will get a discount on their regular fees. That said, there are several reasons I'm not happy with changes that have recently happened with the Etsy buyout.
I you think Reverb is expensive now, just wait, their prices will go up again!!!
Really Good Info. Still it is cheaper than a dealer at 20%.
It should be one of a few selling sites then.
UPS has been raping me. Sent an Ibanez guitar from Pittsburgh to Texas, cost $226. How are you shipping a bigger guitar like a J45 for $35? Please enlighten me... thank you 🙏
Reverb has a deal with the various shipping companies, primarily ups, you can get up to %50 off shipping with UPS sometimes.
Do you still have shirts available? Been meaning to buy one.
Great advice. I’d never considered gbase, but will look into it.
Yes, in the shop.
It's lower tech than reverb but good for buying.
Do you have to claim your earnings in Gbase in you income tax?
They do not direct processing of funds. It will go through your PayPal or your website. If it's about $600 you will be required to declare it as income.
Do you know what percentage they take?
It depends on your Federal tax bracket. Whatever you make on a sale will be considered income and added to your other annual income. @@CaptainOfMyBurden82
Thanks for the tip...
Yeah, I just sold my last thing on Reverb. Right after the jump to 5%. I thought I was paying 5%, turns out it was a few more percent after the other fees. I then had to verify my account that I've had for IDK 6 or 7 years before they would process the payment (Paypal), then it took a couple days after that. I can do without them.
🎶🎶It’s all about G-Base, G-Base, G-Base🎶It’s all about G-Base!👍🎶😎👍
I wish there was a reverb pro version which people can see who put the items in the cart to really sell the item through knowing exactly who saw it lol
So, GBase charges a seller from $35 to $100 PER MONTH to list and sell. How come no mention of that in your vid?
And they charged tax on top of that to the buyer plus shipping costs. Seems like they are charging both ways.
I don’t see the Gbase link in the description.
www.gbase.com/stores/jeremy-the-guitar-hunter
Jeremy Sheppard Thank you! You rock. 🤘🏻
Thanks Jeremy.
loud and clear, took a bunch of stuff down, slowed the pace a lot
What's really a shame is that the founder of Reverb created Reverb for the musicians as alternative to Ebay. But now everyone is going back to ebay! Much respect to the founder for taking action on this platform, who apparently is sitting fat on the sale to Etsy- good for him and well deserved. But for me? I just sold $4400 worth of stuff and was charged $665 in fees! I could of bought a whole new synthesizer for the amount I paid in fees. Normally I don't "complain" about things like this. But I think this is the end of what was once a good thing.
I’d say screw them, if anything, buy from the store itself if the seller is a shop. Bypass the fees and just make sure they assure the guitar/amp will be packed properly.
Sold an expensive item recently by a certain shipper. Paid them to box it, insured it. They dropped it of course and damaged it. Put in my a claim. Here’s what the letter said. Denied!!! You packed it wrong. Over $100 to ship and their so called pledge is supposed to cover everything. So I called the store. They’re fine with us but claims kept asking tons of questions and would say we’ll transfer the call and disconnect us. So I told the store and asked to put me through to a manager at claims. A mean manager at claims. Anyway, sent in the same pics etc. and that was passed onto more managers. I wrote and said what have you decided I’ve waited long enough?! What’s the tracking number he said. Uh it’s right there sir in the subject line. At this point I’m getting angrier and angrier. Reverb didn’t help me btw. So the claims manager said well we don’t need the items sent back thank goodness because that’s a pain at the very least. Luckily, my buyer was nice anyway, they gave me back the whole amount. I couldn’t believe it and that’s why when I said to the manager at the claims dept did you decide yet? I got ignored. They lost money. Re reverb when a utuber sent me a sqooshed broken item that took months to get around the world. He didn’t pack it correctly. He didn’t insure it. He told me to take it up with the shipper. Only the seller can. Reverb did not protect me. They got me a partial refund. Why partial? Infuriated with reverb and shippers. Put fragile stuff on the bottom ffs. Now I’m too worried to ship anything after this fiasco. It took weeks of working on getting my buyer his money back. It’s not that simple. They make it difficult. Faxing and printing and doing it over and over hoping you give up. Denied and trying other ways. Furious. And reverb useless.
Came here to learn about Gbase. Left still knowing nothing about Gbase...
Hahaha. I'll do an update.
Really...I went to the site & you would think they would give you an overview of what the site is all about without joining...Be nice to get some details! Or maybe I'm just not seeing something. I don't like giving up my email address beforehand.
You gave lots of negatives for Reverb, and I agree with them wholeheartedly, but you didn't give any pros for G-Base. I have never used that site before and when I looked into it after seeing one of your posts, it looks really outdated and clunky and purchases can't be made through the site so if you're just an average seller like me (I buy and sell a few things a month but by no means do this for a living) and not a shop or a business, I'm weary of buying or collecting payments through some other site without knowing if G-Base will back me up like Reverb would.
Well said. Truth is I shot a longer format video loading all my gear onto GBase and it was lost so I had to reshoot.
I'll do another video comparing the two.
Well, how much do you end up paying on G-Base for a $2000 sale?
Amazon, PayPal, Wizards of the Coast and Amazon all accept my credit card, but Reverb won't accept my credit card. When buying it's no problem, but I can't use PayPal for selling? What the actual hell is going on here?
Got off Reverb in 2018. Just a horrible website to sell through. Hidden deceptive fees on international transactions through PayPal were the last straw. Reverb added themselves a slice of the currency conversion when PayPal had done the work. Once I refunded a customer because Reverb were taking too much money and Reverb had to refund $45 in hidden international currency conversion fees when they did nothing. It was a pure and simple scam.
Reverb was always more than expected and customer service to fix their schmozzle was zero.
I wonder if both EBay and Reverb are getting as greedy as they can while it lasts. After going through forums different posts on websites, people are very unhappy. And the number of people that are starting to feel resentment and bitterness is growing every day it seems.
I was reading that EBay has already lost some big sellers and lots of sellers packed up shop and bounced. Because they felt they got screwed over doing business on eBay. Word spreads so many new sellers go elsewhere. Which is somewhat good because other alternative sites start springing up. And now reverb is starting to follow that same pattern of greed.
After pursuing the site, I’m of the opinion that Gbase is not even close to a viable substitute for Reverb. At best, it’s on par with most classified resources. Perhaps I’m missing something. Looking forward to your comparison video
You're not wrong. I'm shooting the comparison this week.
Reverb is the best way to get your guitar in front of the most potential buyers, but selling high end ($1,500+) guitars has become prohibitive. I'll only sell lower cost items on it.
I sell lower cost items and take a huge bath after shipping and fees.
They collect tax even though not all states require it for private sellers. Very shady
That is a good point....
@@JeremySheppard And why do I have to deal with taxes for their state? If they bought the guitar in their state fine, but if you live in NV and you buy a guitar from texas, why is there nevada tax on my rundown ... which has apparently been added to the sale and removed again? I am going to show a massive NOL for 2022.
I'm glad you can share your opinions, but you'd be wise to try to keep your advertisements on the subliminal side instead of the oppressive side.
Sorry man. This is a sponsored video.
Jeremy Sheppard what does your sponsorship have to do with bashing Reverb?
I misunderstood your comment up top. I lead with how much I love reverb and think it's a good solution but it's not a good place to sell expensive or vintage gear.
@@JeremySheppard Any gear, %10 is %10
Do not buy from reverb. I buy a item and not even been notified if my item is on it's way. And I cannot contact anyone from the reverb site. This site should be closed down
Bruh, 10% is the norm around the World Wide Web. You’ll make more money flipping sub $500 items
No you won't that's all I do. I take massive losses, people are friggin cheap.
Never been a fan of reverb. I just stuck with ebay
Reverb is greedy, it’s turned into a life sucking corporation. You do all the work and they make the money off your hard work...ridiculous!
The nature of how they want to do reviews says it all....giving a 3 star review for an order that “added tracking” considered shipped but wasn’t actually received by shipper for 7 days...a message popped up telling me to “resolve the issue before leaving review” Reverb is now garbage and Etsy only bought it to wrench every dime out of it....
Sheeeesh. That sucks. I'm sorry.
Every thing on Reverb is way toooo expensive ? Fee Bay is creepy , Was a super seller there since 2001 and left .....Oh and PayPal is Nasty Now .
Everything is overpriced on Reverb now. Sellers have to compensate for fees. A case where Higher taxes only make things more expensive for the buyer
Gbase is way too expensive for the average buyer.
You mean the guitars are high-end or expensive relative to other sites?
you dont' get scammed on ebay
where are you in 2005?
ebay is the best platform for virtually everything
👍
Reverb really fell off 😭👎🏽
Everything is overpriced on Reverb
Buyers are scammingon everything
so your solution is GBASE???
eveN MORE OUTRAGEOUS and expensive
$4000 for a jackson soloist
No, I tried it for a while and it's not helpful. I haven't found a good solution other than build a following and a website with square space
Thieves
REVERB SUCKS 4 SURE