Will Vintage Guitars Be Worthless When Boomers Are Gone?

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  • @samuraiguitarist
    @samuraiguitarist Рік тому +406

    I wonder the same thing about cabins too. Like our parents generation bought all these properties and none of us can afford the asking price for them. Eventually it's gotta plummet right?

    • @markdavidofficial4274
      @markdavidofficial4274 Рік тому +24

      Hahahaha…good joke lol

    • @ah-rr1lk
      @ah-rr1lk Рік тому +24

      They turn them into air b n b

    • @technolung
      @technolung Рік тому +5

      Reverse mortgages

    • @gerrycrisandy2425
      @gerrycrisandy2425 Рік тому +13

      Not comparable, imo. Unlike properties, very few guitars could be considered investment.

    • @michaelcarley7016
      @michaelcarley7016 Рік тому +14

      Not when immigration is in the millions every year

  • @theotherpete
    @theotherpete Рік тому +935

    I just had a conversation about this with my drummer. I asked him if vintage guitars will hold value in the future. He replied "will people even PLAY real GUITARS in the future?" That kinda stung, because my drummer is computer software.

    • @raymondvaughan6262
      @raymondvaughan6262 Рік тому +11

      that's why there's less and,less musicians about and loads off records with just a computer nice to use a,drum machine to jam to

    • @ncnoman
      @ncnoman Рік тому +52

      🤣 he should do a drum roll, because that joke nailed it

    • @HarryNicNicholas
      @HarryNicNicholas Рік тому +13

      my electronic bass is looking for a drummer...

    • @nurabsal0x018c
      @nurabsal0x018c Рік тому +5

      Johnny Roland

    • @skaldlouiscyphre2453
      @skaldlouiscyphre2453 Рік тому +15

      My laptop is the best bandmate I've ever had.

  • @AnAntidisestablishmentarianist
    @AnAntidisestablishmentarianist Місяць тому +13

    14:06 Rick just whacks Rhett's '65 SG with his ring repeatedly 🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @RoddSantiago
    @RoddSantiago 2 місяці тому +73

    Love how Rick's perspective is different from the other guys because Rick's passion is music while the other guys passion is guitars, he sees them as tools while the rest of the crew gives them somewhat of a magical attribute a hammer can be just a great hammer or a holy hammer if you wanna see it that way.

    • @DangleSan
      @DangleSan 2 місяці тому +4

      The other day that was getting my guitar worked on and I had the ultimate luck of the guitar techs friend being there who was a gear vintage junkie, He just so happened to have a 1959 Gibson GA-83-S Stero Vib vintage tweed combo Amp, He also had some $6000 vintage Gibson guitar with him, I had a $1700 Shecter, We took turns plugging in playing power chords and blues licks, He couldn't believe that his Vintage gear loving ear found my Schecter to sound better through the amp than his vimtage Gibson, Beato understands Music is king

    • @oblivionpro69
      @oblivionpro69 Місяць тому +5

      I interpreted it a little differently . I think Rick, from watching him for awhile now, is a lot more pessimistic about the younger generations interest in guitar music and music in general. I think he envisions a future full of music less gen-Zers not giving a crap about the old guitar players and their music, let alone their old guitars. Whether that is the truth or not, I think that’s how he feels.

    • @stuco
      @stuco Місяць тому +1

      his passion is youtube views

    • @jakebendermusic
      @jakebendermusic Місяць тому

      Rick is also the only guy in the room with some decent money, but i would say he’s not in touch with current older millennials in fintech who would pay $5k for a john Mayer anything right now all day and john’s custom shop stuff never comes up, would get any asking price, esp from japan. Dubai was mentioned and that’s a huge point, but japan and fintech bros….there is a lot of money out there and they just want what’s seen as cool, history or status of the actual guitar doesn’t mean anything

    • @EPortillo5000
      @EPortillo5000 15 днів тому +1

      @@oblivionpro69Indeed he sees the future in a longer way, who will pay big money for Eddie Van Halen frankenstein in 60+ years when all the collectors and generations that loved Eddie's music are gone? The guitar is attached to the player, consider not all players started using a vintage or expensive rare or special guitars so the guitars they played lets say Cobains guitar had a value because of him and if the time comes that his music is no longer relevant nobody will pay big buck for a guitar played by him.

  • @murder_out
    @murder_out Рік тому +539

    I feel like we are seeing a resurgence guitar playing, but in a way that feels detached from the guitar hero idolization and just more about making music and using guitars as tools. Yeah, vintage gear is super cool and I’m sure any other player would as well. But I think vintage gear is moving towards something like the art dealer market now, where collectors will always pay premiums for historical pieces, but players will buy what they can make music with, vintage or not.

    • @charizardmaster13
      @charizardmaster13 Рік тому +37

      I see this as a huge positive as it takes all ego and putting people on a pedestal out of the equation

    • @weschilton
      @weschilton Рік тому +12

      I don't really agree though. People are still getting into music because some player somewhere inspired them, not because of the guitar by itself. Guitars don't exist in a vacuum... they are only as good as the player playing them.
      As far as the vintage market goes... remember that all the players we idolized from the birth era of blues/rock or jazz were not using vintage gear, they were using NEW gear. The current vintage fetish is an complex situation. Part of it is internet hype and hero worship, sure. Part of it are people who have to get in on what everyone else is getting in on,
      But another part of it is an outgrowth of manufacturers over the years lowering quality while increasing price... aka making crappy, overly heavy plastic coated guitars that don't sound as good as old guitars do.
      This is somewhat subjective, of course, but for a lot of players who are at that point where they can pick whatever they want to play and have the savvy to tell the difference, a vintage American made guitar is more appealing than a poly-coated Asian made guitar.

    • @gregorystephens9669
      @gregorystephens9669 Рік тому +5

      Exactly, I am 58 years old recently purchased an Epiphone LesPaul jr made in China to play slide on. It plays well and sounds great for 450$. I play it. I would be afraid of sliding my brass slide over a vintage jr!!! And why hang one on the wall just to look at!

    • @Hahnsoulo
      @Hahnsoulo Рік тому +7

      @@weschilton You're right that people get into music because some player somewhere inspired them, but the thing is, most of the younger guitarists that are inspiring these new players are not strongly associated with one particular guitar or type of guitar. In the old days you had guitarists that were Strat guys, other guitarists were Tele guys, and other guitarists were Les Paul guys or 335 guys. So if your hero was a Les Paul guy, you bought a Les Paul. If your hero was a Strat guy, you bought a Strat, etc. I don't think it really works like that anymore.

    • @jafrost1328
      @jafrost1328 Рік тому +5

      @@Hahnsoulo ahhh i reckon mostly it was "you bought what you can afford"

  • @neverweather5284
    @neverweather5284 Рік тому +70

    No amount of appreciation for vintage instruments could ever justify that kind of price, to me. Outside of investment, it just seems insane

    • @Hellslayer679
      @Hellslayer679 8 днів тому

      It's the brain and hands playing the guitar

  • @AlbertaClimber
    @AlbertaClimber Рік тому +15

    I wish Dave had a regular UA-cam channel podcast, I have learned so much from him.

  • @jefffixesit60
    @jefffixesit60 Рік тому +6

    Clumsy, I fumble sent previous post. At 67, a novice player, lifelong guitar fan, I'm glad you made this video. I think the high collector prices will continue, and that there will be future collectables that aren't just Fender and Gibson model. Those instruments are currently in the hands of today's rising stars. Happy trails!

  • @ChanceCooper125
    @ChanceCooper125 Рік тому +197

    Gonna need this exact crew to start a podcast ASAP… Rhett already has the remote podcasting formula in place for Dipped In Tone. Think about it… it’d be massive!

    • @MattCiprianoMusic
      @MattCiprianoMusic Рік тому +9

      I would definitely listen to that!!

    • @brianmiller6828
      @brianmiller6828 Рік тому +3

      Count me in!!!

    • @garrettbarley3391
      @garrettbarley3391 Рік тому +2

      Would be so entertaining

    • @rooster4906
      @rooster4906 Рік тому +2

      I agree, that would be great, at least once a week or 4 times a month😉, the more the better, great team 👍👍👍

    • @Little960
      @Little960 Рік тому +2

      I agree 100% on that

  • @andrefludd
    @andrefludd Рік тому +925

    As a millennial who likes new guitars, stainless steel frets, etc., I have absolutely zero attachment to vintage instruments. YES, I DO think they are really cool to look at and I'm sure they sound and play amazingly, but I put them in the same place of my brain that I put museum items. Sure a guy like Joe Bonamassa can take a vintage guitar on tour, but as an average broke guitarist, I'd be terrified of harming something worth so much money. Great Video!

    • @sacredgeometry
      @sacredgeometry Рік тому +56

      If you like the way they look you can buy a new guitar that looks at them for a fraction of the cost made to a much better standard.

    • @jimmygrant3151
      @jimmygrant3151 Рік тому +47

      @@sacredgeometry Yeah Andre, exactly my point. Modern guitarists are more interested in modern designs and functionality.

    • @WhiteArcaneBM
      @WhiteArcaneBM Рік тому +4

      I think, it would be like with old cars - when it's old and rare, then it's priceless. Even now, fancy cars from mid '80 and '90 are growing in value

    • @Numnutz
      @Numnutz Рік тому +7

      @@jimmygrant3151 i'm 19 years old and bought my first guitar only 2 months ago, but i've been interested in the music and the culture for a while now
      for me, i wouldn't want a 1959 les paul - however i would love to have eddie van halens 1986 kramer custom "dugan" guitar that he played on the 5150 tour
      of course, that specific guitar is currently worth way less than a 59 les paul or eric claptons "blackie", but hey, that's just me
      if somebody like me wants an 86 stage played guitar, who's to say that people who are my age right now won't want a 59 les paul in 10, 20, 30 years
      obviously not everyone is into guitar, less people play guitar, less people than that care about vintage guitars and even less can afford them at a high price - but as long as there are 2 people who care about a guitar that is owned by someone else and can afford to spend a lot on it - that guitars worth depends only on those people
      as long as there is somebody who isnt willing to let go of the guitar for less than x amount, and there is somebody willing and able to spend that same x amount of money on said guitar, that's what it's worth

    • @sacredgeometry
      @sacredgeometry Рік тому +14

      @@WhiteArcaneBM Again noone cares about old cars because of the fact that they are old, they like the ways they look and sound.
      If Ferrari made a GTO to the original spec tomorrow for a fraction of the price, noone would look twice at an original.
      Especially if they made it using modern tooling and to modern tolerances.

  • @happensq
    @happensq Рік тому +103

    I’m a Gen Z-er. When I was a teenager I thought vintage guitars were cheaper because they’re old and have some broken parts. I didn’t realise how expensive many of them are, so as a young adult with limited money due to the rising cost of living, I mainly stick to cheap second hand guitars or cheaper guitars like Squires, Epiphone, etc etc.
    Maybe if I’m a musician I’ll move to Fenders or bigger named brands, but I’m a broke post college student that wants to make music to destress, so I’ll take whatever I can get.

    • @NoMegan
      @NoMegan Рік тому +7

      Destress is what it's all about.
      Check out Harley Benton guitars. I think they're some of the best guitars I've played. (Millenial hobbyist/destresser myself for the past 20 years).
      But I've owned Schecters, Fenders, Gibsons, Ibanez, and slews of random cheapo guitars. Ive done a few parts caster builds to learn how they work too.
      Guitar mods 🤤

    • @nicholaschavira1743
      @nicholaschavira1743 Рік тому +7

      I'm a millenial, but have been lucky enough to own some gibsons and fenders, fast forward... Ive sold em all. my favorite guitars are two classic vibe squires I own. I found a 60s inspired bound tele with rosewood fretboard and then I have a 50s inspired strat. set up proper they play as good as my most expensive guitars ive had, if you can get past the name on the headstock you'll realize they're pretty great and perfect platforms to mod. the ones I have both are single slabs of wood, i know because i can see through the paint. they arent all like that but some are, the earlier classi vibes early 2010s. Anyways, its all in the amp. get a proper amp and everything will sound good for the most part. big brands are overrated when you can get something you can build yourself for a fraction of the price that is just as good.

    • @SirMo
      @SirMo Рік тому

      One day you will be able to afford any guitar you want. Will you be looking at vintage guitars then?

    • @ShatteredPsyche
      @ShatteredPsyche Рік тому +1

      @@SirMo Realistically that's untrue.

    • @ElVicable
      @ElVicable Рік тому

      @@NoMegan i own a HB and I love itn

  • @linusw
    @linusw 7 місяців тому +48

    as a 16 year old living in Austin, so many of the other musicians my age LOVE late 60's 70's guitar players, and in that group I'm the exception, as I listen to music even older than that. I think the main point that should have been brought up, is these are INCREDIBLY great playing guitars. rarity and cultural significance is not the only thing driving the price of these instruments up. The first generation of people who bought these guitars in the 50's and early 60's, didn't buy them for their connection to any massive player, as they didn't exist yet, they bought them because they were excellent guitars. I myself inherited a 1969 Gibson Hummingbird from my grandfather who passed decades before I was born, so the guitar hadn't even been played for 10 years, before it was put away. while I'm extremely lucky to own a guitar as incredible as that, I don't value it just because the rolling stones played it, as I'm not a rolling stones fan, and I don't just value it for sentimental reasons; I value it because nothing has ever come close to playing like that acoustic does. If people didn't like vintage guitars why would they buy ANY Stratocaster, or Tele, or Les Paul. There's a given value in how well the guitar plays, and I think that Is what will keep the value alive.

    • @alexanderbelmonte9000
      @alexanderbelmonte9000 Місяць тому +2

      This is an excellent point. I'm twice your age and luckily have a vintage danelectro my dad luckily bought me when I was 8 for a couple hundred maybe and now it's worth over 1k; I own some vintage amps, that are also doubled in value; but my strats are custom shops, because 5k-30k isn't ever going to be a realistic option, because of collector value, value that I don't see, but that's the market now. Rhett speaks well about the attainability issues and honestly it's not equal circumstances. Jimi didn't buy guitars based on who played Strats, cuz he made it popular, but even after he was rich, Strats and most guitars of the time were only a couple hundred bucks compared to the hundreds and now millions of dollars, because of lore and I believe we all know this, but that doesn't really change the argument of value.. Why should I buy a strat that is vintage specs and made from great wood and sounds great, but the limitations for playing multiple types of music are glaring when you shell out 5k+ when I could buy a Suhr for the same price, a PRS custom or SE, Ibanez, even a Godin or James Tyler, D'Angelico (which is vintage company still) make just as good or arguably better guitars than those vintage instruments and any of the increasingly expensive "lawsuits" over the course of the years. There are many companies who are making incredible stuff. That said, the companies who made the great vintage stuff we all love, are not the same companies anymore (with the exception of Yamaha and Magnatone, who's new take on old classic concepts is amazing if you have 2k, imo) and have all cut corners, moved operations and sadly have abused the wood resources selling us terribly made shiny turds with quality woods that are now scarce or insanely expensive in conjunction. I'd say if people who actually are dedicated to the craft and honest in their work, will always value a highly skilled master work of labor with attention to detail and a sonic tone that doesn't necessarily have to exist making the same styles of music; another seguing topic, is all vintage gear worthless for making modern music? For instance, the MCI 500 and 600 (Sony) series consoles were designed for the future and I'd argue are still useful today, but since Ableton literally enables you the "Abililty to-do A-Ton" without having learned or gain any knowledge about how signal is actually flowing and how you are able to manipulate it, since it's plug and play and you can choose presets that compress and eq and so forth, which is arguably killing the art and craft of sonic capture at it's highest level, as Bruce Swedien might say. I would also bring to question if these daws are actually churning out better music?? There's a shit ton more music out there, but I honestly don't get the same emotional excitement or any at all of the curiosity about how people achieved sounds, because it's all been homogenized and everyone is making the same stuff of the same equipment.

    • @channtastic
      @channtastic Місяць тому +5

      I don’t really believe older guitars play better. I think that’s a fallacy. I like fender aesthetics, but compound radius fretboard, stainless steel frets, locking tuners, more stable bridges. I think modern touches on classic designs make guitars today so much better than those guitars of the past.

    • @hecanseeme8210
      @hecanseeme8210 Місяць тому +1

      Older guitars do not play better. How they “play” is very subjective. how a guitar is set up is everything. Electric guitars are wood magnets and wire. It’s not magic. Comparing them to acoustic instruments is just silly.

    • @timn5008
      @timn5008 Місяць тому

      ​@channtastic That's exactly right. It's all a bunch of malarkey. Who is buying these things? They can be crazy expensive, and you certainly don't need an old guitar, no matter it's value or "playability," to play and record music.

    • @ANGELEYRA
      @ANGELEYRA 28 днів тому +1

      @@alexanderbelmonte9000it's crazy you mention ableton and gear AND EMOTION and curiosity. I myself have used ableton for the last 12 years. I learned the ins and outs of the saw itself but also the process of audio engineering and what im doing and why. I use a mix of software (minimally though in regards to synth work) and any type of random old "vintage" gear i can get my hands on from literally thrifting. But I wasn't always like that, because i produced EDM for years and was on course to be a "dj and producer" but I went through really tough times in my life and i found solace in my guitar once again. And my musical style and interest and inspiration shifted drastically to real live instruments and analog gear because i still like to add some electronic aspects to my music. My appreciation for gear and definitely vintage guitars is a mixture of the fact that they are the tools that allow me to express myself and my emotions in the ONLY way I've found that i can (through music and song writing) but also the character that each of these things carry with them bring a sense of emotion and mysticism because i wonder who owned this before, what was made with this, and i become almost awestruck by the gear I've collected, so it's also something that i see as magical and it isn't just a tool to me. All this being said though, i will make music with anything and everything, if it allows me to express myself in a manner that brings me joy and separates me from reality for the moments im playing, i will use it and love it just like the last, my studio now is filled with cool and rare gear, but for years i used what i had, which was hand me down passive speakers that weren't fully functional, a 70$ guitar, and maybe 200$ basic recording set up, and i made some of the most meaningful music to me and work that (from what people say) is some of the best most unique stuff they've heard recently and that they feel my emotion through it.....anyways, not to rant...i just spend every waking hour with my instruments and gear and I've grown to have a deep appreciation for each of them, old new cheap expensive....and always will, i think it all is dependent on the person who's using it, but as far as vintage gear keeping its value.....I BELIEVE 100% that there will always be a market for vintage gear because music is the one thing that has no barrier when it comes to translation.....anyone, anywhere can feel and understand the emotions that something is giving off sonically....and it has always been that way and always will....and i think that means there will always be people who's only solace lies in creating music, for the world, which will consequently mean that there will always be a deep appreciation for the tools that those who came before us used and what history and story the gear has. Sorry to rant, im not sure i even made sense. I just don't know how to word the way i feel about music and the instruments to properly explain it. Anyways, anyone who read this far, i hope you all are well. Be safe. Much love everyone 🖤

  • @aaronwinton7067
    @aaronwinton7067 Рік тому +64

    I am one of the “Old” guys that work at the Gibson Custom shop. We have amazing luthiers that work their that really know the Gibson vintage guitar. Interesting fact… most are not my age (50) …. Most are in their mid twenties and early thirties. And they love these guitars as much as I do.

    • @mikaldene7146
      @mikaldene7146 Рік тому

      I was there in 93-94...

    • @vanderlubbe7791
      @vanderlubbe7791 Рік тому

      Good to hear from you. what does one have to do to get the attention of the given parent? I have what may be the next great thing in guitars, in my portfolio of patents... but can't seem to get in front of anyone to get them to hear it, in person. This is trickier than it looks. I'm in Canada and looking for a representative from Fender or Gibson, to get them to give a listen, in person. In the Toronto area (I'm in Canada), if at all possible, or Montreal. This is important. As if I give up, I'll just sell it to the Asian manufacturers and you can see it come from China and the Fender and Gibson brands will be that much poorer. A man's gotta eat....

    • @GeorgeZimmermen
      @GeorgeZimmermen Рік тому +1

      @@vanderlubbe7791 show it to me and I will make you rich and famous

    • @machupikachu1085
      @machupikachu1085 Рік тому

      @@vanderlubbe7791 try Ernie Ball. Sterling is always looking to innovate. I have his collage laptop lol.

  • @fivewattworld
    @fivewattworld Рік тому +96

    Lots of fun Rhett! Thanks for organizing that.

    • @RhettShull
      @RhettShull  Рік тому +4

      You’re the man Keith

    • @edhornby4885
      @edhornby4885 Рік тому

      Re' Joe Pass guitars, have a look at Martin Taylor's social media, he's got quite a collection and is very knowledgeable about UK jazz guitarists

    • @danielmiller2886
      @danielmiller2886 Рік тому +2

      Keith, it was great to see you here because I had no idea you were friends with Rhett. I really appreciate your channel too.

    • @AlonRozenblit
      @AlonRozenblit Рік тому +1

      Keith is probably the best beer buddy you could wish for.
      Great video, this should become a new format

  • @blankslate_gg
    @blankslate_gg Рік тому +29

    I'm so glad you guys mentioned Brain May's Red Special, would be VERY curious to know what his original Red Special would be worth one day. The other Red Specials made by Guyton and Fryer are incredible, but Brian's is beyond replaceable.

    • @Axe_Slinger
      @Axe_Slinger Рік тому +5

      Great typo! "BRAIN May". He is an Astrophysicist whose designs HAVE gone into space! The Antithesis to the "Dumb Rocker" stereotype!

    • @SirMo
      @SirMo Рік тому +3

      Brian May's guitar will end up in a museum. Just how Willie Nelson's "Trigger" will. Because those guitars are stars themselves. And have a story behind them. Dimebag Darrell used many guitars in his unfortunately cut short career and he had like a collection of 300 guitars he played.

  • @JTAYC
    @JTAYC 10 місяців тому +3

    I love Five Watt World! So happy to see him here!

  • @chrisact9601
    @chrisact9601 Рік тому +135

    You guys should have discussions like this on camera more often. That was both very informative and very entertaining.

    • @MMcfly135
      @MMcfly135 Рік тому

      Anytime Dave shows up, you know you're in for a good conversation!

  • @graymurray4952
    @graymurray4952 Рік тому +191

    As a 16 year old, I can say that I am obsessed with vintage guitars and I spend all my time looking at vintage guitars and think that they are so cool! I think the abasi guitars (and guitars of the like) are the future, but I think vintage guitars will always have their place and I dream of having a great vintage electric one day. I just got a 72 guild classical (slightly inspired by Ricks) and can say for sure that I think that there is something in vintage guitars and I think that there’s definitely people in my generation who agree. Dave’s point about Bonamassa keeping the interest definitely seems plausible to me, I’ve watched his collection video a dozen times. Just my thoughts as a gen z

    • @graymurray4952
      @graymurray4952 Рік тому +7

      I’d also add that I’m not just obsessed with the crazy valuable ones but old danelectros and department store guitars like that are super cool to me too, I just think vintage gear has a vibe that like Dave said, it won’t make you a better player but may put you in a head space you might not be in with a new guitar… and I really want to get my hands on a beato signature, can’t afford one but would love to play one!

    • @whitepanda438
      @whitepanda438 Рік тому +5

      I’m gen z as well, can’t say that I’m obsessed with vintage guitars the way you are, but I definitely think they are cool. I can appreciate the craftsmanship and “cool factor” for sure. I think that’s the general consensus with people my age. As long as most people continue to agree that vintage guitars are valuable and worth preserving, I don’t think the prices will ever really drop.

    • @85isaboat53
      @85isaboat53 Рік тому +3

      Im gonna be 16 soon homie and if I could get 58-59 burst or an early 60s es-335 or 345 I would snach it right up but I can't so I'll put together some money and get a Murphy lab 58 reissue

    • @soup1736
      @soup1736 Рік тому +10

      I’m 17 and I love vintage gear mostly because I think it just sounds better. For me it’s people like Matthew Scott who keep me obsessed with vintage gear and Marcus King who was part of the reason I bought my 1968 335. I also definitely agree that there are some people in our generation that appreciate vintage gear.

    • @archiekaybeetheguitarist7040
      @archiekaybeetheguitarist7040 Рік тому

      I follow this Australian guitar player on Instagram. He has couple of gibson les Pauls, an orville lespaul, and gibson explorer. What a great save up.

  • @Chigoesandflea
    @Chigoesandflea Рік тому +22

    Ive wanted a '62 Strat and was willing to pay a premium, but as I dove deeper into it, I realized I would either be buying a fake, or buying one of the "dogs" that any real collector would pass up.
    A modern custom Shop would give me the playability I was looking for, and be exclusive in its own way, without getting ripped off. Ended up buying a Custom Shop burst body, a new SRV that I only used the neck !, installed Fralin pickups etc. and have a one of a kind, high quality guitar. (and sold the SRV parts for almost the purchase price!)

    • @kevinperreault8913
      @kevinperreault8913 9 місяців тому

      You describe my biggest consern about vintage... you put 15k+ on a guitar on reverb and u learn later that a real one that year had a hair under the pickup, if u dont got the hair it worth none... im sure u get the point😅

    • @Charlesbabbage2209
      @Charlesbabbage2209 День тому

      To me, the joke is that every aspect of manufacturing today is a million times better than was it was 70 years ago. You can get an insanely playable guitar that sounds fantastic for relatively little money. Why would anyone who is an actual *musician* pay vintage prices for vintage guitars. It’s like a carpenter paying a 50x premium for a vintage hammer.

  • @rusnsc7622
    @rusnsc7622 Рік тому +2

    I don’t play but as a lifelong music lover of all types I really enjoyed this conversation. Keep up the good work.

  • @VIDS2013
    @VIDS2013 Рік тому +81

    How great is it that Rhett's wife filmed this--and did an outstanding job?

    • @latrace1986
      @latrace1986 Рік тому +1

      I was thinking the same thing

    • @robertpickert1750
      @robertpickert1750 Рік тому +5

      Yeah Tilly! Nice job capturing the conversation.

    • @mikeb5372
      @mikeb5372 23 дні тому

      Not really all that cool

  • @joedesautels5496
    @joedesautels5496 Рік тому +208

    I'm 76 yrs old; I owned "vintage" guitars when they were new. Today, I own "re-issues" of some of them, and they are just as good or better, depending on the models you like. Our modern technology for making guitars is so much better, yet we have lost a lot of the artistic abilities of the older models. Remember, "Value" and "Price" are not the same thing!

    • @palehorse1111
      @palehorse1111 Рік тому

      lower quality tone woods, cheaped out pot metals, electronics, made in third world countries, 95% are a joke coated in a thick plastic shell

    • @L.C.Sweeney
      @L.C.Sweeney Рік тому +6

      They may be just as good or better but they're not aged like old instruments. As I'm sure you're aware the ageing process changes the sonic fingerprint of a guitar and I do think that a lot of really experienced guitar players want that sound.

    • @youarenotaghost3702
      @youarenotaghost3702 Рік тому +1

      Thanks for contributing this to the conversation! Great point!

    • @walshy2116
      @walshy2116 Рік тому +2

      But you can never replicate the real original guitar used by Jimmy Page or Hendrix etc. they’ll always be valuable. Maybe less people will desire them, but they’ll always be the rare guitar of so and so and therefore extremely valuable.

    • @nerfnerfification
      @nerfnerfification Рік тому +7

      I'm 70 and like you owned a lot of the vintage stuff (still do!!) over the years but nowadays given the excellence of even the cheaper products, happy ot have them as well. What is best is that when some congenital idiot spills their beer all over your cheapo replica at a gig, it is NOT the end of the world.

  • @bryanwilliams6032
    @bryanwilliams6032 Місяць тому +1

    I love these type of videos, it's like hanging with you guys! Thank you

  • @SufferDYT
    @SufferDYT Рік тому +18

    I'm 28 and I just discovered The Beatles a few months ago. Well, I had heard all the songs you hear on the radio and in pop culture of course, but always felt they were overrated and had never actually listened to an album. Well I stumbled upon Eleanor Rigby by chance on youtube and thought, okay maybe there's something to these guys. I gave Revolver a listen and I haven't stopped listening to their post-help discography at work. Even McCartney solo stuff, wings, etc. They've changed how I feel about music. I've dived head first into 60's rock music since, I was always a prog rock/metal and Steve Vai kind of guy.
    Long story short: I found this video because I've been watching videos about Les Pauls after seeing Lucy in Get Back and having listened to Cream for the first time and I'm really thinking my next guitar will be a standard 60s instead of a floyd rose superstrat. I'm sure I'm an outlier too, like Rhett, but we exist. No chance in hell you'll ever catch me paying a years pay for a vintage guitar though lol

    • @breft3416
      @breft3416 Місяць тому

      For some real fun, listen to Meet the Beatles, then Abbey Road. They got more sophisticated in a short period of time. But there was always something going on. Same with the Beach Boys and Stones.

  • @gregoryguarneri8473
    @gregoryguarneri8473 Рік тому +26

    I love this community and am very grateful for videos like this!!!! Thank you!

  • @craigmantle5362
    @craigmantle5362 Рік тому +40

    Lol Rick is just one of those guys who can’t sit down and relax without a guitar on his lap at all times 😆

  • @KordTaylor
    @KordTaylor 2 місяці тому

    What a great conversation. Thank you!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

  • @KickArs
    @KickArs Рік тому +5

    I believe that as long as the original guitar still exists out there, the value of the reissue will keep on increasing.

  • @CuttlefishFilm
    @CuttlefishFilm Рік тому +52

    One thing that will never go away is the lure and aura of history. Even if the instrument wasn’t played by someone famous, the fact the instrument has survived beyond those that played it before is something you can still feel. It is a sense of wonder. I think that will always be a part of human nature and keep vintage instruments in some kind of higher value range.

    • @Rogo472
      @Rogo472 8 місяців тому +1

      Spot on

    • @jjd2065
      @jjd2065 6 місяців тому +1

      Absolute BEST most sensible comment on here!

  • @KingGodson316
    @KingGodson316 Рік тому +13

    Love the conversation. Seriously, a pod cast between you all would be amazing. The trope is, something has worth as long as someone is willing to pay for it. I think vintage guitars will maintain their value, but the buyers may be different. I don’t think many of those guitars will be bought by fans of the music, but by people looking to capitalize from the marketplace. I’m thinking about the guitars Gibson and Leo Scala did. What musicians actually bought those and are using them? With some at a $40k price tags, no musician would pay that and use it. But some attorney or doctor or finance guy looking to be cool would

  • @steveschenker1380
    @steveschenker1380 Рік тому +4

    14:45 totally agree, certain instruments can just get you into the pocket faster; but it's not really the instrument, it's the way you react to it.

  • @billbrasky1288
    @billbrasky1288 Рік тому

    These are my favorites where y’all get together and talk music. On any of your channels. I’m not even a player but I love guitars.

  • @SIXSTRING63
    @SIXSTRING63 Рік тому +7

    I played Bernie Marsden’s 59 Burst that belonged to Clapton and Paul Kossoff before Bernie acquired it. I have to say it was the most amazing acoustically sounding electric I every picked up. The feel and playability was just amazing too. I think that is one of those magic ones. Bernie said he had a couple of others over the years that were just crap and sold them off. His ‘59 is in my hands in my profile pic, he took the photo on my phone in his garden in June 2015. I won a contest to fly to England and record with him. Spent two wonderful days recording and hanging out and sightseeing with him and his wife Fran and my wife. It was a great honor to win out of 5,000 entries.

  • @kenster865
    @kenster865 Рік тому +7

    Great discussion, guys. I've been subscribed to Five Watt World for several years and exchanged a number of comments with Keith. He's one of the deeper thinkers in the guitar world of YT. I'm 70 and spent close to 20 years in a local blues band here in SoCal, the last several years during duo work with the singer/harpist from the band. Sometimes it's just easier to get bookings for a duo over a 4-5 piece band.
    Anyway, I'm jazz-trained and took my first guitar lesson as a 10 year-old in 1961. That's probably before y'all were born. Didn't get serious with the instrument until '64 when the Stones came out with 'Satisfaction'... man, that did it! I was hooked, big time. I have a small collection of fine guitars so discussions like this help all of us out here put things in perspective. My oldest guitar is a '74 Gibson ES-335 in a really dark cherry red. It's player quality as it was modded before I got to it in ~'79. Arguably the 'best' guitar I own of the bunch is a 2013 '59 Les Paul reissue I found on The Gear Page. I took a chance on it as the photos were spectacular. I'm glad I did as the instrument is drop-dead perfect in every respect. It plays perfectly, almost too perfectly if that's even possible.
    I guess where I'm going to here is that while collectors will be collectors, us players can find as good as or even better than the originals in many of the re-creations that have been well crafted over the past 20-30 years. Those re-productions just keep getting better and better. You guys touched on this topic and I'm in violent agreement. In fact great repro's probably will apppreciate with time too, I'd think. Cheers!!🙂🙂

  • @improvcomedywithtonebone
    @improvcomedywithtonebone 9 місяців тому

    You couldn't have found a more appropriate, experienced, knowledgeable crew to speak on this matter. 👍🤘👌

  • @d3w4yn3
    @d3w4yn3 Рік тому +6

    One of my favorite clips of all time.... you guys covered so many angles, so many feelings, so many things I've never thought of all in one sitting. I'm remembering a vintage burst fender acoustic guitar that I talked my uncle into buying in 1977, when I was 12. He took it home, said it hurt his fingers too much, and said that I could keep it at my house! He was being tactful, because he knew I didn't feel like I deserved it, I knew I could never afford it, yet he let me have it without making me feel like I owed him anything. I've been playing ever since. That guitar was lost when I joined the Air Force in 1983, and I never found out what happened to it. I have maybe 20 guitars in my house at the moment, but I never got that one back. My uncle has been gone for some years, but you just made me remember that guitar. Thanks for the glorious memory!!!

  • @barryseddon7264
    @barryseddon7264 Рік тому +26

    My daughter is 19 and she listens to Zep, The Beatles, The Stones as much or more than any current artists. I also know a lot of kids playing guitar who are learning all the same songs and licks I learned 35 years ago. I have faith electric guitar is not going to disappear with the boomers.

    • @Name-el9ps
      @Name-el9ps Рік тому +4

      That’s not at all the topic at hand

    • @DanielinLaTuna
      @DanielinLaTuna Рік тому +1

      Tell them, Barry. See my comments about my 17 year old niece

    • @barryseddon7264
      @barryseddon7264 Рік тому +1

      @@DanielinLaTuna my daughters friend currently has a huge crush on Elvis thanks to that movie.

    • @doublestrokeroll
      @doublestrokeroll Рік тому +1

      You're missing the point. It's not that people won't get into that music, it's that those people will not be interested in maintaining a collectors market for the vintage guitars that exist.

    • @seanbaines
      @seanbaines Рік тому +1

      It will not disappear, any more than trumpet or saxophone disappeared with the passing of the Louis Armstrong/Charlie parker generation. But, like trumpet, it will become AN instrument, not THE instrument. It will continue to be a popular instrument because of portability and convenience and musical range. But it is no longer the defining instrument of modern music, and is unlikely to return to that status. It'll just be in the musical/cultural mix. Partly as a result of that, it is likely the market for all but the rarest and most significant vintage guitars will soften over time. The current overinflated demand is a fad that will ease. But the rarest and most significant ones will always be very 'spensive.

  • @A_Noid
    @A_Noid Рік тому +41

    Keith has such a great delivery and voice. He said he spent 25 years in higher education. It's easy to see that he taught well. Clear, concise, etc. (edited for grammar, for people who may be gravely offended)

    • @larrypower8659
      @larrypower8659 Рік тому +1

      Taught well. Not teached well. I hope that was just a mistake.

    • @craiglizt8074
      @craiglizt8074 Рік тому +3

      @@larrypower8659 come on man. Relax. The internet is filled with folks from other countries that may not have English as their native tongue? Regardless if they’re an English speaker or not there’s no need to act out like this.

    • @A_Noid
      @A_Noid Рік тому +1

      @@larrypower8659 lol, yes, I know it's taught, not teached. Also, even though I do know it should be written this way, the fact that A. it was early morning for me and that B. English is not even my first language may have something to do with it. I also for some reason used spend instead of spent. Let me see you do the same in French.

    • @larrypower8659
      @larrypower8659 Рік тому +2

      @@A_Noid Touché, monsieur! Bonne nuit,

    • @aaronwebb1548
      @aaronwebb1548 Рік тому +1

      @@A_Noid No parle francais, personne n'est parfait.
      I apologise for the grammatical inaccuracies, but as I said, I don't speak French.

  • @edclark550
    @edclark550 Рік тому +30

    Having once owned a real ‘59 …I can say that it was one really nice guitar…it’s not just the wood…it’s the people who made them.

    • @blindmechanic
      @blindmechanic Рік тому +2

      Love love love my 1964 Gibson that I got from my grandmother. Play it everyday

    • @Mr.Goldbar
      @Mr.Goldbar Рік тому +3

      To me it's kind of a bullshit reason to pick one guitar over the other, but if that's what makes you happy that's what's best for you :)

    • @create306
      @create306 8 місяців тому

      Amazing guitar? Of course. Is it worth paying for it? Hell no. Unless you inherit it or something.

    • @daniellowry660
      @daniellowry660 2 місяці тому

      I think that's a fair point. One major difference I think this current generation has over previous is that they didn't have several production model singlecuts of similar or greater build quality to chose from. Now a days to get a high level professional instrument to record or tour with you don't need to buy a guitar from 25-50years ago.

    • @johnsmith-bk4ps
      @johnsmith-bk4ps Місяць тому

      Once you find a great vintage guitar odds are you wont find a new one thats as good . Ive played hundreds of guitars over 45 years

  • @user-tj7rt5nn6r
    @user-tj7rt5nn6r Місяць тому +1

    Good conversation with excellent points by all.

  • @niotlera70
    @niotlera70 Рік тому +7

    please more of these "dinner talks"...real musicians talk is what i want. Top broadcast!!!

  • @mcmSEA
    @mcmSEA Рік тому +25

    There are of course great vintage instruments, but for me as a longtime guitarist, it's always about the sonics. There are currently-made instruments that sound amazing at a fraction of the price.

    • @SpacemanXC
      @SpacemanXC Рік тому +3

      And given gibson's shitty business practices over the last two decades, I would feel like a huge dork if my headstock actually said Gibson. I'm quite happy just using gibson pickups in my Ibanez. I need a floyd for my playing anyway.

  • @imaseeker100
    @imaseeker100 3 місяці тому

    Well done Rhett for showcasing this discussion.

  • @brushstroke3733
    @brushstroke3733 Рік тому +14

    I just bought a used, Indonesian made ESP-LTD (model H-50) for $100. It feels and plays as good as my 1995 PRS Custom 24 and 1991 Les Paul Standard. The pickups may not be quite as good, but I can replace them for $200 - $400 (depending on how fancy and handmade I want to go) and maybe the pots and capacitor, and it will be just as good as those much more expensive American made instruments. I bet my deceased dad is rolling his eyes right now, wishing I had learned this lesson decades ago.

  • @Driver8takeabreak
    @Driver8takeabreak Рік тому +67

    Interesting discussion. I'm with Rhett on this: today's younger players will have less money (even into their 40s and 50s). On top of that there are less guitar players coming up. So a smaller market, with less money.... Hard to see how they would hold value long term.

    • @mnbv990
      @mnbv990 Рік тому +2

      agreed.

    • @shamusenright5387
      @shamusenright5387 Рік тому +9

      Yes. Especially when you can get an indistinguishable sound from the copy too.

    • @budgetguitaristcom
      @budgetguitaristcom Рік тому +6

      There are MORE guitar players coming up. Guitar has become more popular, worldwide, over the past 20 years, not less.

    • @DeniseVeronica
      @DeniseVeronica Рік тому +3

      We are going into the worst recession since the 1970's

    • @saxogoose5297
      @saxogoose5297 Рік тому +2

      In the last 5 or so years, the quality of cheaply made Indonesian/Chinese strat clones has skyrocketed. Laser precision in those factories now, so if quality control is good your money is better spent buying a cheap Guitar and upgrading the pickups. This is gonna be a huge factor in people not buying fender etc anymore, since often you're basically paying for a designer label.

  • @bartboop
    @bartboop Рік тому +4

    I was 18 when Back In Black came out. My friend’s 7 year old Grandson plays it daily. I have no idea what Trini Lopez music sounds like, but if I find a Trini at a good price I am buying it. The market will go up and down, but it will not go away.

  • @khk4757
    @khk4757 Рік тому +1

    Another very very amazing Video! It‘s so interesting to hear these guys with their history, experience and backgrounds talking about their thoughts on that topic. It couldn‘t have been a more interesting round. Im also 32 and started to dive into this music, when I started to learn the guitar 6years ago or so. You can‘t play the guitar without wanting to know the history and the heroes of it. And depending on your Personal hero of that time you will probably select your dream-guitar (SG -> ACDC, Strat -> Prince, SRV, etc.).

    • @drewbaisden3475
      @drewbaisden3475 26 днів тому +1

      Prince's guitar from debut album to his last great album, 1999, was a blonde Hohner Telecaster copy. I don't think he ever played Strats but Dez Dickerson his extremely underrated band guitarist did as well as other guitars like an Explorer type he used alot on Controversy and 1999. But you are 100% right that as you are growing up your guitar idols greatly influence your guitar preferences.

  • @stefanmaciolek6540
    @stefanmaciolek6540 Рік тому +40

    I'm a younger millennial, and I'm definitely seeing interest in the classics from my generation and the one after it. The guitar heros of the 60s and 70s may fade from mainstream popularity somewhat over time, but I'm certain there will still be enough people around who appreciate them to keep these things valuable.
    That said, my generation seems to be much less snobby about gear than the ones before it. There's snobs everywhere don't get me wrong, but it seems playing a Squier or Epiphone is much more accepted by people my own age than people older than me. I think that my generation will have less of this irrational belief that they can never make guitars like they used to, and you HAVE to buy an old one as some sort of holy grail. My generation seems as a whole to view gear as a tool, with the experience of making music being the end goal, whereas other generations seem to see the gear as the end in and of itself.
    Finally there's economics. Most younger people will have less disposable income than their parents. I don't see the average millennial being able to justify exorbitant prices for vintage gear when they've got student loan payments to make. Id personally rather own a house than a '59 burst

    • @andrewmaher8409
      @andrewmaher8409 Рік тому +2

      I agree with your comment and do feel sympathy for younger generations around some of the topics you mentioned.

    • @Tessmage_Tessera
      @Tessmage_Tessera Рік тому +10

      You can afford not to be snobby, because these days, cheap guitars are actually pretty decent. But 40 years ago, cheap guitars were just garbage. If you wanted quality, you had to pay serious money back then. So you can understand why older players would have developed a snobby attitude toward the cheaper stuff.

    • @marksmith4627
      @marksmith4627 Рік тому

      Excellent observations and points, I totally agree, this coming from an old geezer born in the 50's and raised on classic rock.

    • @mrgrinch14
      @mrgrinch14 Рік тому +4

      I agree. Even my generation (elder millennial) has had access to cheap GOOD instruments that do the job for a long time now. I think the access to those good cheap instruments has changed the perspective of young players and they (we, I'm still young right?) no longer have to idolize those old instruments because why would we? You can get what you need for less now and those classic guitar prices are still in stratosphere for the average squier or epiphone player (which is a LOT of players).

    • @MiketheNerdRanger
      @MiketheNerdRanger Рік тому +1

      Gen Z.
      I think the snobbery disappeared, partly because cheap shit is so much better now based on what I hear boomers say, but also partly out of necessity. People in my age group just don't have the purse to buy a Gibby, or even a top of the line Fender, or something like that. I'm kinda glad that this has made us drop the snobbery, but I wished that happened under different circumstances. Still, came at the right time, as cheap brands like Squier are really stepping up their game. About to go and buy my third Squier, lol

  • @MrWill9894
    @MrWill9894 Рік тому +9

    I’m almost 28, and none of the guitar players I know including myself are all that attached to vintage instruments from the 60s-70s for a number of reasons. For me, though I grew up with some classic rock of that era, most of my music taste was influenced by my Gen-X dad, who introduced me to 80s rock when I was a teenager. So growing up, the “holy grail” type guitars weren’t Les Pauls or Strats, but more like Jacksons, Charvels and Kramers. I own an early 80s Ibanez Destroyer, which I was inspired to find by one of my guitar heroes- Olof Wikstrand from Enforcer, a guy who’s only in his mid-30s now. I think there will always be a market for vintage stuff, but I also think that what will be desirable will shift because the people with money who are now my dad’s age didn’t necessarily grow up listening to Led Zeppelin and the like.

  • @bartboop
    @bartboop Рік тому

    Keith you nailed it when you talk about the demos on your channel.

  • @00Coltrane00
    @00Coltrane00 Місяць тому

    I could listen to this all day. Please do this again with all four of you!

  • @CFCMahomet
    @CFCMahomet Рік тому +19

    These kinds of conversations are great and so fruitful beyond guitars. It models how to talk, discuss and even disagree in a world where it is becoming a lost art.

  • @CameronForrester
    @CameronForrester Рік тому +24

    as a 31 year old player, the value of vintage instruments has been instilled in myself and those around me. There will always be value in the "first" of early models or anything iconic. I see it retaining its value. Perhaps continuing to increase, but at least retain.

  • @morty922
    @morty922 Рік тому

    to listen to all 4 of you in one room talk on this topic was awsome.

  • @callum3050
    @callum3050 Рік тому

    Would really love to see more discussions between you four. Incredible video.

  • @larrylambert2727
    @larrylambert2727 Рік тому +6

    I'm in my late 30s- my dad introduced me to music with Clapton being his favorite artist and that cover of the Cream of Clapton with that Strat and the trenchcoat was just the definition of cool for me in those developmental years. My dad wasn't a player, just a music lover. All this time later, most players I know are still mostly Fender/Gibson players. I am still a Fender player over 2 decades later. My 4 year old son just told me his favorite guitar is a Stratocaster this morning.... obviously that's clearly influenced by him seeing me play mine, but that influence IS happening and that cycle could well continue in him.

  • @jonkerr2050
    @jonkerr2050 Рік тому +6

    Good discussion. I’m in the middle of really 4 generations of guitar players. My Grandpa passed a couple of years ago and left me his 59 Gibson LG2. He was an old school country boy. And you can tell looking at the wear on that guitar he was a country boy. My Dad plays and like me has become obsessed with guitar. Mostly stuff from his younger years in the late 60s and 70s. Les Paul’s, 335s, etc… Im 43 and I grew up on a mix of 70s rock, blues, etc… But also a lot of country and a lot of grunge in the 80s and 90s. Again, I have LPs, 335s, Teles, etc… But my 20 year old nephew could care less about those. He’s all about the 7 and 8 strings and 5 string basses and all the new stuff. He’s by far the best player in the family. But he doesn’t even own an amp. He plays strictly through his computer. He comes to my house and goes cross eyed looking at my pedal board with 6 pedals on it. He just doesn’t get it.
    All of your points really make since. And my family seems to kind of be the whole discussion in one group of people. It’ll be interesting to see where is goes.

  • @monahantp3767
    @monahantp3767 10 місяців тому

    A great conversation. I've been wondering about this for some time-- ever since I heard someone call a mid-80's Fender "vintage". There's a HUGE potential for other great conversations with these guys that I hope you've already considered ;)
    BTW Kieth: glad to see you've surpassed that 200K subscriber threshold!

  • @Dave-nm3xc
    @Dave-nm3xc Рік тому

    Great discussion Rhett. I love all these guys.

  • @butterblood
    @butterblood Рік тому +14

    As a 47 year old that learned years ago I liked hunting down cool older guitars that nobody seemed to want. Im ok with them going out of style so I can buy more. But I’ve always been more into collecting amps. So I have no problem with people not buying old Fenders too

    • @paulcasilio1119
      @paulcasilio1119 Рік тому +1

      Dude, you can’t leave it at that. You HAVE to tell at least one older guitar story.

  • @05645ci
    @05645ci Рік тому +7

    This is a fascinating conversation, and it would be great to explore other "collectible" items and their value over time. I think it has a great deal to do with emotional attachment and nostalgia, as well as supply and demand. Vintage cars and motorcycles values have continued to rise over time despite the fact everyone living when they were manufactured is dead. I think the truth is in the middle. There will be less buyers interested in vintage guitars, but they will be more interested and more dedicated buyers chasing less and less inventory. Inflation will continue to raise prices incrementally, and the rarest and most desirable items will cost a fortune. The more things change, the more they stay the same:)

  • @jeffgerndt2813
    @jeffgerndt2813 Рік тому +4

    When most of these artists ( not all) were playing they played what was available..Hendrix played 'em off the shelf. Best statement...how does it make you feel!

    • @gmac8852
      @gmac8852 Рік тому +1

      Imagine how Jimi would have sounded playing a 40 year old stratocaster.

  • @gam1471
    @gam1471 Рік тому +1

    Thanks Rhett; a very interesting discussion. I agree that quality music will speak across generations - as happened in your case. Also look for example at the swing jazz of Django Reinhardt, and the wonderful young musicians that are now playing the style. With only around 1000 Selmer/Maccaferri guitars originally built, it's interesting to see how many top luthiers now build replicas as part of their line, with budget offerings also made in the far East. Interestingly, the value of the originals is far below that of electric guitars.

  • @valuedhumanoid6574
    @valuedhumanoid6574 Рік тому +11

    My first guitar, and still in my collection, is a 1981 Japanese made Strat. I paid $300 new. It's probably worth, on Reverb, south of $1000. Maybe $900 depending on condition, specs, etc. That's 41 years ago. $300 adjusted to today's money is $900-ish. So, am I breaking even? I keep hearing that those era Strats made in Japan are "highly' sought after. Well, those prices don't reflect highly sought after and 41 year old one owner guitars definitely qualifies as vintage. I keep it for sentimental reasons and it's a damn fine playing/sounding instrument. But collector grade? Not even close.

  • @briancoyne6700
    @briancoyne6700 Рік тому +11

    BTW--I like this set up of you guys sitting across from each other and around the room. I like it more than every one starring straight at the camera. Here I feel like a fly on the wall watching a real conversation of knowledgeable dudes having a visit.

  • @williamhiles7404
    @williamhiles7404 8 місяців тому +2

    I done care, fellas, I love vintage Gibsons. Had a good number of them, living well because of the insane worth of one. Hated letting her go, but I'm ill, arthritic hands, and a few other problems. But I held on to my ES-125 and play in Tunings, Drop D, Drop C, Drop D& C, DADGAD, and other Tunings with slide, and easier fingerings. Gibsons Rule('59 and earlier. I had a '60 Les Paul Custom, that was bought for me at the age of ten. One year after I stopped playing her, I let her go. And the person who got it seemed like they were the happiest person on the planet. I couldn't see her just sitting in her case, not being played. That 🎸 was SWEET!! Never had a problem with her, and she always recieved regular and as needed maintenance, and other than refret jobs, as I always used wide, thin frets for speed and precision, I never had a problem with her.
    LedHed Pb 207.20 🎶 🎸 🎹

  • @jklappenbach
    @jklappenbach 8 місяців тому +2

    Gen X. I never knew Page played a GLP, never really knew about other artists. I just knew two things:
    1. I loved the sound when guitarists performed with it. It's unmistakable.
    2. (And this is perhaps the most important aspect) IT'S GORGEOUS. It's absolutely gorgeous. It has the shape and natural wood hues that are evocative of a classical instrument. The burst, which has a foundation of how the wood is cut relative to the grain, is a showcase of the organic beauty of trees. This guitar is a thing of beauty. And when it first came out, it was unlike just about everything else.
    I want to own one both because I love how it sounds, and because it is a work of art.
    And it will always remain a work of art, and will hold its value as such. You can't really say the same of a strat or a tele.

  • @MrAbehensley
    @MrAbehensley Рік тому +6

    getting chills as I'm reminded of the legacy of the music of the 20th century. I truly believe that in a thousand years, people will be exploring the cosmos, and listening to the Rolling Stones. And Keith Richards will be like: "Hey! That's me!"

    • @nemesisxrox6773
      @nemesisxrox6773 Рік тому

      ... Keith will still b around n look the same 😆

  • @thejolt124
    @thejolt124 Рік тому +4

    I'm 33, born in 1989. My dream guitar is a shell pink early 60's Strat. Much like Rhett it's got less to do with any particular players but for me, it's because a strat is what I really learned to play on and I've just always loved them. I've owned a few Strats now, and my current favorite is actually a MIM, it's an awesome, really well made guitar. This has naturally led me to want one of the originals, where my beloved guitars came from. I think this is another factor that can keep costs up. We still learn on the iconic shapes, and for a lot of players that's going to lead down a path of discovering the history and keeping the desirability and cost of them up

  • @HoneyWindbutton
    @HoneyWindbutton Місяць тому

    Great discussion guys 🙌🏽

  • @gradydrago
    @gradydrago 5 днів тому +1

    I absolutely agree with Rick that as time goes on the average value of vintage guitars will greatly decrease. This will be due to many factors including economic and social changes. We have aa see seen similar changes happen in several areas (cars, motorcycles, and other personal items). Reproductions only help to fuel the overall decrease in vintage prices. The relative cost of famously owned and historically relevant instruments will remain. As always 'investing', including in instruments, requires an excellent understanding of the market and when to buy and when to sell.

  • @MDN1505
    @MDN1505 Рік тому +4

    Its always if the instruments that are played by known musicians then its worth something as a collection or conversation piece. Im 44 now and owning a Gibson LP Traditional 2018 and AM Fender strat signifies that you have come to that level in your life that you truly worked for it.

  • @davidjones3520
    @davidjones3520 Рік тому +7

    Lusting after the guitars of one's idols is a rite of passage we all experience . I'm old enough to recall wanting a Strat because Buddy Holly
    (circa '56 ) had one; a Gibson because Scotty Moore had one, a Guild and Gretsch because Duane Eddy had them and later as my tastes
    developed , an L-5 because of Wes, a Super 400 because of Kenny Burrell , a Byrdland because of Hank Garland and a 175 because of Joe Pass.
    I eventually found them all and played them and discovered that it was a combination of nostalgia and mystique because I still sounded like
    me ! Seek them out and try them and you'll see what I mean !

    • @machupikachu1085
      @machupikachu1085 Рік тому

      they only experience it if their idol is a guitarist. What if he's a DJ?

  • @justinhenderson247
    @justinhenderson247 Рік тому +1

    Played a real 59 burst with my R8 with early heritage historic in it back to back. Same amp same settings. The 59 felt old and wasnt easy to play. But acoustically it was considerably louder. The rel one didn’t clean up as well, but the sweet spot was the sound. The R8 we had to play around with the tone some but was able to replicate to the point it wasnt indistinguishably different back to back. The modern r8 neck is damn near exactly a real 59 neck. Felt identical.

  • @DK-mc1yr
    @DK-mc1yr Рік тому

    This actually is a wonderful video Rhett. I have a friend who is very close to Derek Trucks and it must be very interesting to listen to some of the "geek talk" that happens in the music world of the pros.

  • @stevelucero9047
    @stevelucero9047 Рік тому +4

    I have a 16 year old nephew who's a classic rock nut and a rabid vintage guitar nerd... and he's salivating over my early 70s instruments. All it takes is one song by a band with a guitar god... and the demand is on

    • @skaldlouiscyphre2453
      @skaldlouiscyphre2453 Рік тому

      He's likely an outlier. The entire 'guitar god' mindset is vastly diminished compared to the pre-90s era. It never really recovered in the mainstream and even metal seems less prone to worshipping guys who can go widdly-widdly real fast, but also, the guys with those skills seem less obnoxious about them than in earlier eras.

  • @andybungert
    @andybungert Рік тому +4

    Cool question.

  • @tommykruesofficial
    @tommykruesofficial 2 дні тому

    I grew up around mostly guitarist's and i will say it def grew on me even though i consider myself a late bloomer cause i did not play and full commit until i was like 24-25, But i did have a weird trove of knowledge i was able to reach for in my brain just from watching all my friends who played for hours and hours. When i finally got into guitar i got an Ibanez Gio a 2007 with a beauty candy apple red finish and the sharktooth inlays.
    Sadly i lost that one but fast forward 10 years i got into overall music production and gear collection and guitars stayed on that list. While i only have a small collection a cherish everyone of them my all time fav that i now own is a 1987 Ibanez EX series it's a beauty.

  • @diichi211
    @diichi211 Рік тому

    All of them made a excellent point but I'm actully surprized of Rhett Shull's skill to host a discussion.

  • @DyllanDuPont
    @DyllanDuPont Рік тому +3

    I just bought my first vintage guitar 2 weeks ago, I'm in my 20s. If you would have asked me 2 years ago if I would have ever done that, I would have said no. My interest came from people like Emerald City Guitars who give really cool insight into the history of these instruments, and over time my attitude changed on authentic "relic'd" finishes. I love that my guitar has seen decades of love before me, and like my dad told me the first time a chipped a finish, that's what gives it it's character.

  • @deepwater2652
    @deepwater2652 Рік тому +9

    There will always be those who search for the "Holy Grail" of vintage instruments. As a musician, I'm not concerned about the "vintage" of any of my instruments; it's about how they play, how they sound, how they appear, and how well they perform when I am performing. The instrument is a tool, albeit a desirable tool that we musicians use to make music!

    • @Mujcanal
      @Mujcanal Рік тому

      I think your philosophy about the subject is correct, it is how instrument react while you use it, regardless its age. Regards

  • @jazzjames
    @jazzjames Рік тому +2

    Rick; The D’Angelico owned by Joe Pass was was in Columbia, South Carolina and owned by Dave Sims of Sims music…or it passed through his hands. Saw it at a Jimmy Bruno jazz guitar clinic years ago. He may be the guy to check with.

  • @user-eo6zb1uj5m
    @user-eo6zb1uj5m 10 місяців тому

    Great discussion. Thank you kindly

  • @seanbaines
    @seanbaines Рік тому +7

    The Red Eye story reminds me of the history of Peter Green's burst. It's almost as famous for having been Gary Moore's burst. Sometimes provenances will build. It's like Itzhak Perlman's Stradivarius. It belonged to Yehudi Menuhin before him, and traces back from there through various hands, including well known French luthier Jean-Baptist Vuillaume, and a Viennese collector named Oscar Bondy. One suspects this sort of thing might be tracked on vintage guitars, if they hold up in good shape.

  • @mralgebro
    @mralgebro Рік тому +16

    This was wildly entertaining. Keith’s points really stuck out to me, and he’s so well spoken even without a script!
    Anytime the Fab Four can get together in the future I will watch every second.

    • @DerekBolli
      @DerekBolli Рік тому +1

      I call them "The Dream Team" 👍🤩

  • @sexylover780
    @sexylover780 Місяць тому

    Regarding great guitars we treasure now...........................if we only knew then what we know now. I believe great all original examples of vintage guitars will always be valuable. Great interview with some of the best people in the know about such things. I missed this interview for some reason.

  • @derekmccabe9614
    @derekmccabe9614 Рік тому

    One of your better videos, love you guys!

  • @badpants
    @badpants Рік тому +10

    A lot of us boomers couldn't afford those expensive Gibsons and Fenders back in the days and we bought Japanese copies. Today there is a huge market for vintage Japanese gear which turned out to be a lot better than the American manufacturers claimed. I saw one UA-cam guitarist telling people looking for their first guitar to avoid those at Target and Walmart while a Dan Electro replica hung on his wall. I had to laugh :)

    • @daexion
      @daexion Рік тому

      Except they are right about the instruments you'd find at the brick and mortar stores. Anything of any value, from Target, is being sold through their website for one of their partners. Walmart doesn't seem to offer anything of value for someone who isn't new.
      I've long been a proponent of buying specialty items from specialty stores or knowing what you are looking at before buying from big box retailers or 2nd hand shops or garage sales whether it's a bicycle or an instrument.

    • @badpants
      @badpants Рік тому +1

      @@daexion My point about Target and Walmart is that back in the day, a Dan Electro, usually sold under a different name, was not of much value either. They still aren't IMHO, but they are collectible just because of who's been seen playing them.

  • @jtfritchie
    @jtfritchie Рік тому +6

    Having lived through a few generations of music, I see how indie musicians often mine bands of a couple generations before to bring something “new” (for their time) into the mix. I’ve seen my grunge heroes mine Black Sabbath (when Sabbath was all but forgotten). I’ve seen musicians of the 70s and 80s mine the sounds of Motown and 60s pop. Bands of the 2000s rediscovered post-punk. I wonder whether this natural mining of past artists and genres won’t insure that vintage guitars of various eras hold esteem and value.

  • @guatevermmto8800
    @guatevermmto8800 8 місяців тому

    Great video!!thanks for sharing guys.

  • @26022011hb
    @26022011hb Місяць тому +1

    I’m 29 and agree 100% there’s a lot of young guys into the vintage stuff

  • @nulldude782
    @nulldude782 Рік тому +8

    It's interesting that no matter what, guitars never up in the landfill. I have seen whole houses demolished and put in dumpsters and someone walks away with a salvaged guitar. People go to great lengths to keep musical instruments alive. They will always be worth top dollar.

  • @junjiito7100
    @junjiito7100 Рік тому +4

    This was such a good video! I also wonder what the impact of good boutique builders will have in the future? As someone that worked in a guitar shop for a few years I always felt that the people around me were always more excited about the money they were going to make of a vintage piece (and there's nothing wrong with that by the way, it was a business after all) rather than the vintage piece itself... And circling back to the original question I posed, personally as someone into guitars I'm more interested in for example in Rhett's Novo guitars than I am that Gibson, I can't help but look at certain vintage guitars as a speculative commodity rather than an instrument if that makes sense.

  • @MMcfly135
    @MMcfly135 Рік тому

    This was so good, more vids like these please!!!

  • @tomasfarr3446
    @tomasfarr3446 3 місяці тому

    What an excellent conversation.

  • @rodneytod7141
    @rodneytod7141 Рік тому +33

    At 66 years old I’ve seen many “cycles” when it comes to guitars. I bought my L.P. Deluxe when it was the thing to have, then saw a time you couldn’t give it away. And now it’s worth 7 times what I paid for it.

    • @randytate6848
      @randytate6848 Рік тому +2

      I have a 1976 Deluxe and totally agree with you.

    • @Ndlanding
      @Ndlanding Рік тому +1

      I sold my '68/9 Les Paul with P90s (upgraded to DMarzios) and bought a beat-up '65 Telecaster. Stripped it and oiled it and modded it. Do I miss my LP? Only kinda. Do I love my Tele? Only kinda. I prefer my partscaster.

    • @seenonyoutube7856
      @seenonyoutube7856 Рік тому

      7 times? All of a sudden, I now instantly miss my LP Deluxe sunburst I bought back in 1973 when I was 18. I think I need a beer.

    • @creativeconcerts4511
      @creativeconcerts4511 Рік тому

      Right! I have a beautiful 74 gold top deluxe. Every time I open the case for anyone ages 10-80 their eyes widen and there are audible gasps.

    • @vibrolax
      @vibrolax Рік тому

      Fellow LP Deluxer here (68/9). I've fallen in and out of love with it several times since I bought aa a high school student in the mid-70's. Never thought of selling it.

  • @jessefillmore
    @jessefillmore Рік тому +8

    I'm 42 and I have friends who are in their mid 30's and we are as into guitars as the baby boomers . Also , look at all the huge guitar acts that still fill stadiums . Pearl Jam , Foo's , Iron Maiden (2023 Wacken) . I think the kids born from 2015 on will look at guitar different . I don't see an instrument losing a lot of value . Reason is , you can express yourself on a guitar and any cool , well built instrument will always hold value

  • @dcmabon1
    @dcmabon1 Місяць тому

    Loved this conversation. I think about this a lot. I think the sad reality is that when a lot of the older people do pass, a lot of the interest in those classic instruments will disappear. For example, I had an autographed guitar from Leslie West, one of the most important guitarist of our generation, and the only person who ended up buying it for the value it was worth was an older gentleman. no young person cares about autographs from any of the big legends. They don’t even know who they are. The flipside though is that collecting guitars is almost become a new version of collecting art for rich people. Something they can display in a case in their million dollar mansion. So those individuals will keep the High Grade stuff going. But as far as player grade classic stuff, I wonder if that will take on the value of the old guitars that are rare but no one cares about because they’re not the flashy popular new thing that everyone wants to chase

  • @englejas
    @englejas Рік тому

    Great discussion on a topic that I think just about everyone who plays or collects guitars has an opinion about. As an actual guitar player, I prefer "player grade" guitars. To me, it adds authenticity is a reminder of what the instruments are are made for--to be played (and they usually feel better in my hands)! The guitars that rock n roll icons played were not collector grade guitars, they were often nicked up, beat up "player grade" guitars (not pristine condition guitars stuffed in a case in a spare bedroom somewhere. I don't and probably never will understand collectors.

  • @RiffsandRides
    @RiffsandRides Рік тому +4

    I look at it like vintage cars. As a GenX member (back pain and all)- I turned down trading a nicely restored 66 Mustang convertible for a running project car 1969 Shelby GT350. Back then it was only a small group of Shelby enthusiasts he really liked all of those years.
    I believe that other guitars will go up and value and skyrocket once the generations younger than me start getting money. But I think the problem you will find is that many people anticipated a rise and kept some decent versions in non-playing condition. And that condition can really do some harm if not properly cared for. The equivalent of a guitar barn find. But like now, I’m looking for a guitar that I played and sold in the 80s. It used to be a $200 guitar but has recently gone up to be over $1000. I won’t kid myself to think it’ll go up to the price of a burst but when you start looking at those type values those 1970s and 1980s guitars that were very readily attainable are now getting to be a few thousand dollars and up for nice examples.
    Case in point. Hello Kitty Squier. WTF.