WOTB | LESS PEN IS MORE PEN? How penetration works
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- Опубліковано 14 лют 2021
- In today's video ill be doing a deep dive into the values of penetration in World of Tanks Blitz talking about each shell the characteristics they have and some of the special rules! World of Tanks Blitz
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Beautiful diagram. Thank you
Agreed
for anyone wondering about HESH. HESH shells stands for high explosive squashed head, HESH rounds are not kinetic energy based like HEAT. when a HESH round impacts its target the 'head/ tip' of the round is squashed against the enemy armour, the shell then detonates on the outside of the armour, this explosion causes huge vibrations, these vibrations cause the inside of the piece of armour to fracture and splinter (|spalling) creating high velocity shrapnel which shreds anything in its way (flesh, ammo, fuel and engines etc).
droodles pin these so ppl can learn more about the actual shells and there dmg affects.
HEAT is a cemical round tho. Not kinetic
Oh wait nvm read it wrong
@@panzerkampfwagenviiimaus2187 dw bud
HESH is an HE type ammo and therefore gets the 10% bonus :) (my example: the deathstar has 220 hesh pen with rammer and 242 with calli)
I learns how to use my shell pen is to watch the pc tutorial yes it’s a little different but it really helps out
The pc tutorial on blocking DMG is also really good
I feel like the blitz is better for people who want to start with World of Tanks cuz it teaches you tactics and weakspots
ahh yes another of our people
Thanks god, im not the only watch the tutorials of the wot pc
Same
Literally no one:
droodles: HE > heat
who even uses the “no one” part lmao
@@Jay-qb9gi everyone
@@__f4me231 some people*
@@rozanfaust2967 no
Remenber people ap is the best ammo, why? Ho ri is there to prove.
As if the penetration wasn't enough, wg had to give it premium ap shells and if that's not enough, the premium does 15 less dmg so pls spam prammo and pen every time
Shell normalization and the pen technically make it the best shell and best pen in the game. HEAT on the Jagdpanzer E 100 is the same pen, but shell normalization and three times calibers rule does take effect which makes the AP a better shell, as it has shell normalization which can overmatch side-scraping tanks. HEAT, however, cannot as it doesn’t have any shell normalization, so the angle would be the same, so AP would be better.
But AP auto bounces at 84 degrees no matter how thin the armor is
YES
Uitsen Theobold Kosman it's 70 degrees I think
OwO
Ah yes, finally a video on shell normalization and others
I did a vid on this over a year ago, so did Martin Dogger and others......
@@FugitsBlitzreally? i just quit blitz at that time, so i didnt watch blitz for a while
Thats called Armour Piercing Capped, basically it has a soft cap on the shell which squashes when it hits a target causing it to turn towards the armour, it WONT turn exactly flat but still decreases the angle
No Droodles 5:50 HEAT actually uses the kinetic energy of the jet of molten copper to cut through armour NOT the temperature of it.
Lol thats the same thing, the jet is so hot that it melts the tank
@@user-kg7zr3yl3n no its not
@@user-kg7zr3yl3n it means the speed of the jet is how it pens
@@patrickd7890 no
@@user-kg7zr3yl3n a single google search would show that you're wrong...
why dont people do even a mininal amount of research when arguing on the internet?
Imagine doing the maths when you’re in battle , would be wicked. This is just a little background information. Although this can be very helpful for newer players. As for the experienced players and all the super fluffy unicums they more likely know all the aspects of this. It’s still a great tutorial!🤙
Not needed, blitz gives you all the information in sniper mode. All you need to know is where the spaced armor is.
I ve been in this game for 4 years , I have 62% winrate and 2.3k avarage damage .And I still didn t knew about this.THANK YOU !
I really appreciate how you did your research on this. This a great video, especially for the newer players. Thanks droods
Before I seen droodles did this, I watched WoT videos Wargaming did, Helped me alot, but since droodles did it, New players will really appreciate this. GREAT JOB DROODLES! =)
You forgot to mention the Heat and space armour loss pen issue
But great vid help a lot
Thanks Droodles this video really helps me alot because im struggling to pen in heat now I know how to use different type of shells.
This is awesome info! Please do more of these. As an experienced player, I learned a lot!
Thank you very much, I always wanted you to do that kind of video. This video is really useful
0:20
Also HESH: *Crying in the corner*
HESH basically works like a high-pen HE in blitz. So it's not a shell type to be considered.
@@katyusha1283 not basically, exactly
And hep
@@derrickstorm6976 Warthunder players would kill you both 😂😂😂😂
HEP is another term used by the americans. Its like HESH, but named as High Explosive Plastic. (HEP)
Definitely some mechanics I didn't really understand, I just kinda knew it worked. Really cool to actually understand why some of this stuff works the way it does.
Awesome vid! Been playing since 2015 and didn't know a lot of this.
That is unbelievable. I’be played for 2.5 years and I learned this stuff in my first few months of playing the game. I watched WoT Pc explaining mechanics vids. They were all very useful. They have an armor penetration vid, a blocking damage vid, a camo vid, and a spotting vid. Maybe you should check them out.
Thank man soo helpfull... understand the shells better now
I love that you did some background work for this 😄👍
great tutorial, wish all players watch this. this is something everybody should know.
although, when pulled whatever tank and u are in battle, u have to work whatever there is. this information will help u choose ur shells better
I learned a lot today, awesome video.
Great job explaining she’ll normalization🤙🏼 HE has a “splash” zone of coverage. That is why you can shoot the ground under a tank and damage the tank with HE. You can also shoot an object, rock, unbreakable building or a wall that a tank is touching and damage the tank. Same thing with shooting and damaging two enemy tanks “with a singular shell” that are touching each other.
Awesome! Looking forward to more videos like this!
Imagine not penetrating the side of a Russian tank with APCR
_this post was made by the spaced armor gang_
U can't penetrate Russian heavy tanks with heat on the sides unless the player is noob
Wait IS 4 has spaced armor on its sides?
@@Messerschmitt_enjoyer yeah. Every high tier russian heavy.
that explains the reason why i cant pen the side of an IS-3
shit
@@tennessee3156 is 4 doesn t have space armor on the side. It has just tracks
Great video. Thanks!
Very useful, ty for the video
Good video, learned some things I didnt know. One thing it would be better is actual examples with 2-6 rounds of the Shell you are talking about. Even if it's a series of separate Videos about a specific Shell and a scenario.
I like how your videos are kept around 10 minutes, they're just prefect for a restroom break (shoutout to my homies watching this and taking a dump)
you can shoot HE at the Jg pz e100 top corner and barely do any damage sometimes none, but as you go lower and closer to the top of the hull the more that HE shrapnel will damage it
Thanks for this I’m always bouncing HEAT with my t49
Good stuff! Droodles: blah blah blan; Me: head explodes
damn, i used to carry ap FULL without apcr nor he
When youtube video teach you more than the actual game tutorial it self
Yesssss.... My favourite topics
HEAT doesnt actually "burn" through armor.
it's purely kenetic as it's the molten jet of metal flying at high speeds that punches through the armor
yes the technical side of blitz LOVIN IT
Great tutorial.
AP and APCR are great cuz they can destroy enemies tracks and can go right through side skirts.
APFSDS means armour piercing finned stabilised discarding sabot, this is more like an arrow fired from a cannon barrel for example if u have a 120mm gun and u fire a APFSDS round through it the APFSDS rod (which is either depleted uranium or tungsten) will only have a diameter of about 50mm but it is longer and has fins to stabilise and rifle the round. this means that you are firing a much smaller and more aero dynamic round using the same charge, therefor the rod will achieve much faster speed meaning more penetration capability, APFSDS rounds cannot be countered by composite armour or spaced armour (unless it is designed like the modern leopard turret cheeks) due to it being a kinetic round, on impact with enemy armour the rod passes through the enemy armour and create's spalling from the exit hole of the rod and also the rod will break apart and bounce at a very high speed inside of the tank inflicting internal damage.
One thing that everyone forgets to mention is the vehicle s height because lets look at the first 2 vehicles in the vid the amx Vs is4 the difference in the height helps the amx pen the is 4 easily because of its height
While the is4 its small tank and the amx s armor works effectively thats why the is4 bounced if maus stays in front of the amx will pen it easily because maus is tall and decreases the amx s armour
Great video, thank you. But I wish you spoke more about HE.
you see ivan if you make a tank with a bowl shaped turret or t3485 turret style it will make the stalinium even stronger !
you should also include splash mechanics for HE.
GREAT TUTORIAL
Droodles make a vid about the IS-4 weak spot
HEAT doesnt burn through armor, it creates a supersonic copper jet which penetrates armor the same way as a regular AP shell.
Blitz Dev Team: still does not make a video about shell penetration
Droodles: *Gotchu boi*
thanks for the 3caliber rule
thanks droodles
A good exemple is t62a (245mm apcr) vs obj 140 (240mm ap). You would think the 62a has the advantage but in most cases it doesn't.
This needs a thumbs up vote to be posted as an official tutorial vid in Blitz
hey droodles can u do a video on how camouflage works and how long it take to reset
Imagine getting a heart from droodles
Unfortunately I believe it remains a wish :(
Imagine being so pathetic you have to beg for attention.
Stop begging
B)
@@benjaminmaughan2957 how about this: imagine someone being so cheap to share useless information nobody asks for or nobody wants. Keep your toxicity for yourself pls. He just has a favourite youtuber and he wants to clarify that. Someone needs a cuddle apparently.
Shortly:apcr better for penetrating angled armor.Heat better for penetrating flat thick armor (Also three calibers rule rocks👌)
First time I know wotb implements APDS, what are the other tanks that has it?
Yes, more please. Can you go more in depth on hesh?
Theres a formula to figure out effective thickness if you can guess the angle of the armour -(numerical thickness)/cos(angle). So if you wanted to pen a T-34, it would be 45mm/cos(60) which is 90mm effective thickness. For normalisation, take off a few degrees, so with AP, you would only need 45mm/cos(55) of pen to go through a T-34. Just some useless trivia that no one will use but cool to know
If i remember good ap ricochets at 75% and heat 85%
HESH works like HE. But High-explosive squash head (HESH) is a type of explosive projectile which utilizes a plastic explosive that conforms to the surface of a target before detonating to improve the transfer of explosive energy to the target. Squash head projectiles are similar to high explosive projectiles and are well suited to many of the same targets. However, while HESH projectiles are not armor piercing they are capable of defeating armored targets by causing spall which can injure or kill a vehicles occupants. They were fielded primarily by the British Army as the main explosive round of its main battle tanks (MBT) during the Cold war. It was also used by other military forces, particularly those that acquired the early post-World War II British 105 mm Royal Ordnance L7A1 tank gun, including Germany, India, Israel and Sweden. In the United States, it is known as HEP, for "high explosive, plastic"
And the Fv215b 183 uses a 183mm Cannon, 183mm is big and heavy, but you must include the weight of HESH. It uses lots of explosive and adds to the weight. Thus this is why the reload is longer, and potentially there is a high chance for the ammo rack to explode during in reloading (the chances were was either if the loader accidentally dropped the ammunition, then it could have detonated by any means of contact). So it was thought to use lesser ammo, and lessen weight. To reduce this risks.
Can you review the FV215b 183 line because I suck at AT-15.
When I see you I think of Pantouf.
No idea why. Felt like saying it.
The HE’ing of the ground under the tanks for an engine fire has been the weirdest parts of shell dynamics I’ve seen.
you could even ammo rack a tank like this
@@tomniebuhr7723 would love to see a video on this.
Good job Droodles, you just described Smasher.
Congrats youre the person whos actually first!
I saw u in Snaketoasts and Juicy’s stream :D
Nothing like getting penned by a t49s heat from the front in an ST1 russian hvy
"Ammorack Exploded!"
What the difference with the regular he and red tip he(hesh)?
So... the Type 62 Dragon does not have as much prem heat pen as we all think?
Aww dang I thought you woulda covered HESH as well :(
Okay..... what's the point in armor on tanks if people are just going to use pramo to pen you?
VIDEO IDEA: M41D vs Type 62?
Finally this video in blitz
what? I did a vid on this over a year ago!
@@FugitsBlitz n
@@FugitsBlitz o
The mechanic of this game is easy, just move a little bit and the armort profile will change
Yea lol
i learnt shell normalization in wot pc, but i never knew wot blitz has this.
this is the secret behind the ho ri's balance
Ho-Ri with highest TD pen and AP+ prammo: hehe boi
okay for more info on shell Normalization. Droodles said that AP and APCR are less bouncy compare to HEAT... The slimmer the shell the better at Normalization... APCR are great against Slope armor as they have greater shell Normalization than any shell. and surprisingly All of MBTs have APCR as a standard shell... plus HEAT. and APFSDFS has if not the best Shell Normalization in the game. So do not spam HEAT like it will solved your problems... you will never pen any vehicles when it was angled over 45 degrees, as that is an Auto Bounce for HEAT.. even enemy has 80mm of armor HEAT with 4000000 mm of pen will bounce.
But Luckily WG did give a BS Shell machanics such as Overmatch Machanics where this take places IF your shell caliber will overmatch devided by 3. For example if your armor let's say. 25mm... it will bounced up to 75mm gun.. But 76mm will pen you like a hot knife through butter reguardless of angling. If you have 50mm side plate and angle in the extreme which is over 20 degrees, you can bounce up to 150mm shell. However over 150mm will be your overmatch... so Progetto and Leopard. never angle or side scrape against 268, WZ113 FT or 183... srsly never do that. Those stupid bounces are mostly hit the gun mountlet or flat plate or Track absorbtion. Well, anyway hope this is useful as this does exist in WOT Blitz and WOT PC. IRL there's no such thing as Overmatch caliber
In a nutshell,
Ap: used in almost all situations, effective against angled armor because of normalization
Apcr: flies faster than AP, best used at distance. Effective against angled armor.
HEAT: flies slower than AP, but extremely high penetration and no chance of bouncing a shell. Not as effective against angled armor because no normalization.
HE: can splash and cause devastating damage if pennable. Very good for taking out low hit point targets if your gun caliber is large enough (ie at least 120mm gun will kill most
Apcr isn't effective against angled armour,apcr is too aerodynamic therefore making it useless against angled armour.using apcr against angled armour is the worst idea ever
@@airiel644 eh, it’s better than heat cuz of the normalization of 2.5 degrees. Not as good as AP tho, but it usually has higher base pen than AP
when ur so early the quality is still 360p...
HO RI NOW COMES WITH A DEMONIC LAUGH LOL( 400 MM )
When i use HE with Pz.IV G: -95, -93, -87.
When i use AP with Pz.IV G: -200, -179, -188.
Ghost shell
AM I A JOKE TO YOU?
Ghost Shell
Penetration: infinite - infinite
Damage: 0 - 0
pretty good vid...
but I suggest watching Wargaming's vid on amour penetration
Damn, it that video you should play with calculator lol
Wait a minute! WG has already made a video abt how does the shell works on their wot pc and main channel.
I used to think that heat should do more dmg
The 3 caliber's rule don't apply to blitz maybe. Because I've been lucky to bounce 3 AP shots from a 183 using my progetto
The only thing that 3 calibers rule does is no letting the shell bounce, in fact, the shell will always pen, but it can get stuck in the armor or pen, so, the shell will never bounce, but it may or may not pen depending on the armor thickness of the angled plate and the shell penetration. Also, i dont know if the normalisation still work in those cases.
What about our favorite shell HESH?
Hesh in game is just HE with more pen
HESH causes a phenomenon called
*Spalling*
It's a difficult concept and to make it simpler WG has applied the same physics to them. Physics in pc are different and hesh is not as op as the standard HE in WoT PC
HESH shells stands for high explosive squashed head, HESH rounds are not kinetic energy based like HEAT. when a HESH round impacts its target the 'head/ tip' of the round is squashed against the enemy armour, the shell then detonates on the outside of the armour, this explosion causes huge vibrations, these vibrations cause the inside of the piece of armour to fracture and splinter creating high velocity shrapnel which shreds anything in its way (flesh, ammo, fuel and engines etc).
@@percytylor3305 and those splinters getting shot at high speeds is called Spalling
@@aayushchalekar8260 yes but i said slinters because most ppl dont know what spalling is
Pen is Pen!!
I thought ap/apcr have a ricochet angle ò 70 degrees, not 72. heat I think is 85 degrees, not 80
this is going to break me brain
HEAT cannot penetrate spaced armor because the spaced armor causes the HEAT shell to inject its combustion chemicals prematurely (before hitting the actual tank armor), rendering the penetration useless.
Where’s the discussion about how much penetration is lost over what distances per caliber?
When ur so early the quality is still 360p...
yup
I think I was alone with
Nice i am now russain smart
Iq stalingrad.
bruh, this is was literally the same subject i talked about about a month ago lol
HEAT is a shaped charge which is a copper cone facing away from the danger end of the shell, this explosive detonates when it hits the target , after detonation the copper is turned effectively into plasma, this 5000 degree celsius 'jet' of molten copper then melts its way through the targets armour and into anything behind it. the jet does not cause as much shrapnel as an AP, APCR and APFSDS, therefore it deals less in game and irl damage.
droodles pin these so ppl can learn more about the actual shells and there dmg affects.
HEAT definitely causes a better shrapnel than an APCR round.
@@katyusha1283 not necessarily, but it all depends on armour thickness and the shell load.
no it doesnt melt the armor...
does anybody even do research before commenting?
@@joshuaum473 bruh i've worked with shaped charges my guy don't worry
you are wrong about heat shells it does not burn it cuts throuth armor it still is kinetick efect provided by explosives thre is coper cone in the shell that deforms into coper jet when shell explodes and that jet cuts throuth the armor
And after studying all this stuff, after a lot of training in rooms with buddies...after hours of planning and improving your skills.........a team of kids with 40%WR IN TIER X goes to die doing 200 dmg....
and they say "it's just a game..."
Droodles "cali boosts Heat by 30 %"
Ahh yes, who doesnt know the pen increase from 300 to 400 mm 😄
Otherwise good Video.
Its 10% on heat/ He and 5 % on AP and APCR 😄
30%? *laughs in JPE*
veryyy veryyy nice video 4:00 ??