@Lord i wouldn’t say “black are always victims” if you think that you are abit dumb in the head and you are clearly not very intelligent 😂 but yes Carter was definitely the victim along with many other black people, who don’t get to share their story
Of course not another bullshit Hollywood movie Joey won the fight carter even admitted it and as much as raging bull is my favorite movie of all time and I'm Italian suger ray destroyed Jake every time except one fight
If Giardello had a good punch, he would have been an icon. As a pure boxer he was one of the greats. But if you don't have a good punch, you become forgotten.
Anyone who understands boxing knows that you have to beat the champion for the win...Carter failed to do that in this fight. The fight showed to warriors putting in on the line but the champ was good enough with moving and boxing to retain his title. To move and box was the first thing that my coach taught me before he showed me how to throw a punch. Just for the record he was Sugar Ray Robinson's sparing partner and knew the sport. So hollywood lies again...no big surprise.
I have always been a Carter supporter, and through the years I thought Carter was robbed,(never seeing the fight) but after watching this, I feel Giardello won, closer then the scores, but he won.
You're right. I was a Carter fan, even though he became a murderer. I saw the fight on TV and twice since on UA-cam. Giardello definitely won, but I too scored it closer.
I had Joey winning 8-7. Certainly not the crap depicted in the movie nor as one side as the actual scorecards. Also, for anyone that actually looked at the evidence in the case, Carter obviously killed those people.
I can understand a lot of people who don't know boxing might make Carter the winner,but even if you believe that,it's patently obvious that the movie depiction was just an outrage.I mean they show Carter absolutely stomping the crap out of Giardello,then after the decision one of the announcers says"I don't know what fight these judges were watching" and a riot breaks out.See anything like that here?
felltone because it’s a movie, not a documentary. The basis of the movie was not his boxing career. It was his being sentenced for a crime he didn’t commit. The boxing scene shows that his character was used to overcoming racism, even in the boxing ring. The movie Raging Bull did the same. Sugar Ray Robinson beat Jake LaMotta. The movie shows that they were pretty even, when in real life Robinson was the better boxer. But Raging Bull was about how LaMotta was a Christ like figure who endured suffering, sometimes self-inflicted by himself.
Giardello. NEVER landed a hard punch, Joe through powder puff punches then held him in. Not a win of a champ. He bled Ruben had not a mark. A decision for Hurricane
A true capsize version but hey joe never hit the man , carter dazed the home towner many times in this fight , They call holding and tieing strategy true fans call it holding for dear life. Sorry
A very close fight, and a pretty good one in my estimation. Many of the rounds were difficult to score in my opinion. I came up with Carter by one round, but it was exactly the type of fight where you would expect a decision for the defending champion, especially in his hometown.The depiction in the movie was clearly unfair, but so are the depictions of "Hurricane" Carter as an overrated, untalented fighter. A pretty enjoyable watch I must say.
After watching this fight, i can see why it was depicted as a win for carter in the movie. It definitely would have been a more boring story if it was displayed that the fight was more of a tie or win for Giardello. I've seen many fights and you have to beat the champion. This was more of a scoring fight and challengers never win those. That's boxing. Even though carter was backing the champ up, he had no control, which is why he lost the fight. Period... nothing racist about it.
In terms of the movie Hurricane including themes of systemic racism, we can take some of the fictionalized moments as composites for attitudes and trends at the time. Was this fight rigged by racists? No. Were others? - my guess would be yes.
hmmm....this was definitely close but I think Giardello deserved this one. He scored better with far fewer misses and quite a few good body punches throughout. Carter was wildly swinging and hurting his score with countless misses. Through the last 8 rounds Giardello was in complete control and you get the sense he's simply not going to give Carter that opening he needs. One thing is for sure; that Hurricane movie was NOT accurate. Makes me wonder how many other lies were in that film.
Joey Giardello beat carter all the way. he was so good in defence making carter miss so many times, his counters were superb. carter maybe won 6 rounds that give the champ 9 and if you know boxing a challenger has to win to beat the champ. The movie was a bloody travisty of history which the makers had to pay joey off rightfully. joey died in the last couple of years, RUBIN is stil alive. Tell the truth Rubin Carter, dont let Hollewood buy you. BOx on
I may be biased cause this my great uncle but I feel he won since he clearly landed the harder punches and was the aggressor. However he Joey did land more punches. This one a classic for sure. Legendary.
Joey didnt take non stop punishment like the movie showed but he did clearly lose the fight and suffered a bad cut during the fight the movie mad it more dramatic
@@RadeMusicandSports89 "he did clearly lose the fight"👌 What fight were you watching...!?! But I do agree with you the movie had it wrong, I would say completely wrong. Without a doubt he won that fight and if you don't think so... well let's just say, I'm glad you're not a judge. 👊💪💯
@@ryanskee777 i mean Joey clearly loss this fight against Hurricane carter joey won about 5 rounds maybe 6 out of the 15 rounds joey was crafty in spots but carter landed the more CLEAN AND EFFECTIVE PUNCHES which is majority of what rounds are scored on in professional boxing so if i was a judge thats a main part of the scoring criteria 💯
@@ryanskee777 well at the start it did say that not all action and incidents will be 100% correct, but him losing this fight is not the point, it’s the point that he was falsely imprisoned for over 20 years, for being black and for a murder he didn’t commit
Eriberto Nunez And where did Carter spend the earlier part of his life? IN PRISON You must have been a cellmate of his or visiting relatives or friends at the time. Cholo
The Hurricane" (1999) movie brought me here. I fully expected to see a fight somewhat similar to what was portrayed in the film. Not only was the decision NOT controversial...Joey Giardello actually won the fight pretty easily! In fact, I scored the fight 72-65 for Joey Giardello. Not even close! 😂That's Hollywood for you...
well at the start it did say that not all action and incidents will be 100% correct, but him losing this fight is not the point, it’s the point that he was falsely imprisoned for over 20 years, for being black and for a murder he didn’t commit
Yep another bullshit Hollywood movie just as raging bull my favorite movie of all time and I'm Italian Jake Lamota beat sugar ray Robinson in the first fight they ever fought in sugar ray's first fight as a middle weight after that Robinson destroyed him in all there other fights they weren't even close
@lapixiegrl He didn't run...he boxed. And if you want to make race an issue, plenty of great black fighters have made careers out of out-manuvering and counter-punching. Or as you say "running." It was a close fight. If you think Carter "whooped Giardello's ass," it does kind of make it seem like you don't know the sport very well.
@madmax8903 Hundreds of boxing experts. Not clowns who watched a movie. Have stated that Joey won this fight by a 3-1 margin. Giardello sued the makers of the film and won a VERY LARGE SUM of cash. He won this fight. Idiots boo at fights. Mix testosterone with drunken couch potatoes and you get this at every fight.
@blite13 A draw? Please treat yourself to a good pair of glasses because Giardello was the clear winner. Outside of winning a few of the early rounds and landing a handful of solid punches during the fight Carter was out boxed and out worked.
Good to see this posted. It shows a few things clearly. 1) The movie's depiction was nonsense. 2) There was no robbery. Are we to give Carter points simply for moving forward? His work rate was not good for someone trying to take a title. Simply looking menacing, is not enough. He did have some good rounds earlier in the fight not nearly enough to win in anything like an obvious fashion. On the other hand, those who want to emphasize Giardello's skills can make a more convincing case.
@@Servant_Friend_Son Did I blame him for the movie? Sure, he didn't make the movie but he was happy to milk the movie's false presentation (not just of the fight) without contradicting it. It would have been great if he had been honest at that point.
@@somewhere6 what you expect him to be a private detective and go around and find all of the fact before he did his job as an actor. That’s a ridiculous notion. Like you know what truly happened with hurricane Carter anyway. Your not an authority on subject, you weren’t there in 1966 when this crap went down. Your a person with an opinion same as me.
@@Servant_Friend_Son What are you talking about? Whose job as an actor? Who is supposed to be a private detective? Here are some facts. 1) The movie deliberately altered many things that were known about Carter's life and which were known and not in dispute. 2) Carter nonetheless went along with a lot of those alterations for a long time. Much later, he started to back off when confronted with facts. 3) Carter, on his own, also made false representations about details of his life which were later shown to be false. None of that has anything to do with anyone's opinion.
@@somewhere6 yeah it’s a movie bro, what book that got turned into a movie has not been tampered with. Blame the director not carter or the actors. Blame Hollywood for messing up every book turned movie with there agenda. Plus you act like you knew Ruben Hurricane Carter you don’t know shit all you know is what the news and UA-cam says get out of here with that crap. Talking about “I’ll tell you facts” if you knew him personally or his family or the victims or their families then maybe you would have some clout on this. Like I said your a man with an opinion.
He was never declared innocent though, I still think he is innocent looking over the evidence, having an open mind and not being fooled by how great the movie made him appear to be.
he was clearly innocent, if you look at the transcripts it shows the diffence in the witnesses descriptions before and after speaking with the police, Rubin Carter was innocent
The Ring magazine at the time clearly suggested that Carter won the fight and events later rather supported that but watching it it seems a correct verdict
I just came here because the movie Hurricane claims Carter was robbed. Hard to tell from this footage but it looked pretty even. Will need to see the whole thing. The movie showed Joey getting destroyed in the final round.
Giardello sued Universal for the rediculous depiction of this fight turning it into a racial issue. The DVD also now has to state that the fight is not accurate.
well at the start it did say that not all action and incidents will be 100% correct, but him losing this fight is not the point, it’s the point that he was falsely imprisoned for over 20 years, for being black and for a murder he didn’t commit
I really appreciate that this was made available for viewing here. Joey might have won, but by no more than three points. Carter also might have won by three. I had Joey winning my 1, with the fight even ater 12. two of the three judges appeared to be way of the mark. Maybe they were drinking that beer. I felt that Carter cleary won 6 of the rounds, with Joey winning many close rounds that could have gone either way. What an obnoxious beer commercial.
@guntamada absolutly correct...that commentator is blind...every time carter hits...he says-champion hits...someone who didnt know who was the champion then would think its rubin
Listen they both fought very well, but I will say that today the numbers are very much influenced by whoever is the aggressor . Today the numbers would have been different. On the flip side if he didn't knock out Joey he loses the fight. But from 6:29 to 6:40 the commentator mentions Joey as staying out of trouble avoiding getting hurt in the final round. Remember Carter didn't go down either.
Giardello misses a right hook at the end of a combo at 0:11, I`m comparing Carter`s defense to Mugabi`s another super puncher who fought for the middleweight title.
لقد دخل التاريخ هذا الملاكم والعالم يعرفة كبقية العظماء لأنه ظلمته العنصرية وعصابات المافيا وباصرارة استطاع ان ينال الحريه وتتعلم الناس منه أن الكراهية هي فتاك الف الف الف الف تحيه لك أيها البطل الحقيقى واتمنى لك التوفيق كثير من الناس يبحثون عن المجد وهم لايعلمون انه في انفسهم
I had to watch this because In the movie it showed carter the clear winner and then robbed of the decision... It was a good close fight but I think Joey did enough to retain the title...
Carter either did it, or he didn't. Our opinions mean nothing. However, I can't help but think that the victim himself thinking he didn't do it is quite meaningful. Got that?
@@samsonknight4316 the evidence? what evidence? witnesses were bought of by the racist white cops who wanted to see an innocent successful black man go to prison.
@@louduva9849 you clearly have no idea what happened, witnesses were bought of by the racist white cops who wanted to see an innocent successful black man go to prison. RUBIN CARTER WAS INNOCENT AND YOU HATE TO SEE IT, YOU’RE A CLOWN 🤡
Well Joey was the champion I’m pretty sure at the time so basically if it was the other way around it would be the same way,GOBISH! Actually back then people didn’t just assume like what we live in today a bunch of assumptions from others,Conor mcregror “who the fool is this guy”
@@ninopatafio9442 Joey was crafty but Rubin landed the more clean effective punches so if the challenger is actually landing clean shots he deserves credit i actually had Rubin winning 9 rounds to 6 but 2 of the judges only gave him 5 rounds thats a disgrace
Ha ha. I love boxing, race means nothing to me. My favourites are Ali and Sugar Ray Robinson. So don't tell me I'm a racist because I believe this was a valid points decision for Giardello and the "Hurricane" movie was a SHAM. Personally, I think if the fight had of been in New York it would have been much closer in the scoring - not for race reasons but because Giardello made all the clinches and was backing up most of the fight. Aggression always counted more with New York judges.
In a title fight, you have to win decisively, which Carter didn't do. As for the movie, what a pack of lies. And Birdman Robert Stroud too was innocent. The only difference is that Stroud wasn't Black and thus couldn't use the race card.
Giardello never beat Fullmer, it was a draw. His record against Dick Tiger was two wins, two losses. And yes, he did beat a 42yo Sugar Ray Robinson. He also ducked George Benton who'd given him a proper hiding in his own back yard - Convention Hall, Philadelphia
Duck Georgie Benton? I don’t think he was a fighter that anybody would actually duck. Benton’s résumé is not really a Who’s Who list of all-time great’s. Most of the fighters he fought had losing records. And Giradello did fight Benton and beat him by unanimous decision in 1962
Giardello was boring. Made all the clinches and backed up all night. Whatever happened to aggression counting in the scoring? Carter needed to learn how to cut the ring off. His skills in that area were poor.
Damn, in the movie carter was beating the SHIT out of this fool. I started thinking they gave the win away because of that shit he said that was on the record.
Benton gave Giardello a good beating 14 months prior to Giardello taking the middleweight title from Dick Tiger. Giardello ran all night on his own admission but still got the decision against Tiger. Benton knew how to cut the ring off, Giardello ducked him after taking the title.
well at the start it did say that not all action and incidents will be 100% correct, but him losing this fight is not the point, it’s the point that he was falsely imprisoned for over 20 years, for being black and for a murder he didn’t commit
Much better than what the movie depicted. This is real. I don't know who really won. It's hard to judge. I'd say its even, cause the Hurricane punished him hard in the early rounds and later on Giardello managed to get on top. I'd put it even for both.
As much as I wanted to say that Giardello won, It seemed to me that Carter won, something like 8-6-1 He fought aggressively throughout and landed the harder punches. I understand that Philly was Giardello's home town and also that it's really tough to get a decision against a champion, unless you do it convincingly. This fight was a kind of reversal of Pastrano winning against Johnson. Challenger sneaking out a close points decision. I see both sides of this. I would understand if Carter & his followers thought he was shortchanged. Incidently, I thought he committed the murders. I also think that the movie Hurricane was a propaganda film. Also, I never rooted for a black fighter against a white opponent in 40 years of watching fights, but that never convinced me that I was racist. But i have always been fair and I call them as I see them.
TO BE THE CHAMPION, YOU HAVE TO BEAT THE CHAMPION...This was a BOXING match, and the decision was made correctly by 2 of 3 judges. Mr. Carter did not beat the champion. While I can say Mr. Carter, clearly won 3 rounds, and Mr. Giardello clearly won 4 rounds, the champ easily out-landed Mr. Carter in most all of the remaining, albeit, very close rounds. In defense of the obvious, when the two fighters come out in the 15th round, they already knew who was clearly in the lead by their actions. Mr. Carter showed anxious desperation, in a futile attempt giving it all he had left. Mr. Giardello, however... BOXED and easily coasted to a well deserved victory..That is how I saw things after being witness to a typical example of the fine art of boxing in my humble opinion.... In a real fight, with no rules... I feel quite sure Mr. Carter would of had a definite advantage, he would most likely have pulled a gun as he later proved he was quite capable of, when he took part in murdering some people. As an experienced, extremely violent criminal, he already had lots of practice at theft, assault, and murder. Robbing, stabbing,and shooting not to mention assaulting the 112 pound girl who was the reason a judge let him out after his first conviction only to be found guilty a second time quite easily because of his witnesses admitted he bribed them into a fake alibi during the first trial, was, according to his own admissions, "just the way I was raised and the way I have always lived my life." I know for sure that somewhere hidden between the Hollywood story and the actual story there lies the truth. Once again, my opinion. Peace. (never trust or speak to cops, and long live MMA)
For the people that have said the movie is about him being black and falsely imprisoned... so the truth of the outcome of the fight is irrelevant. So I don't have to reply to each and every person.... They also said it's a true story, right... so the people that haven't saw the fight and only go by the movie (which most people do, especially younger no offense Young Bucks, y'all just wasn't around to see the fight live and understand the atmosphere and feelings there in) then they perceive it to be true when it's just exaggerated lies. That puts all the rest of the facts into question. It starts to turn out like CNN. It was such a big deal they got sued over exactly that fight scene in the movie. So I don't think it's JUST about him being imprisoned, it's also about his life, and his life as a boxer and being black. If you want to call it a "true story" but the truth isn't what you like, don't just flat-out make up a lie. They acted like everybody in the crowd and the announcers believed hurricane won the fight, when that just isn't the truth, the people in the crowd didn't think that. It gives a false perception of reality, hence the lawsuit. Don't act like he won a fight that he didn't, just because he got locked up when he shouldn't have. It's got me questioning the whole movie... maybe he didn't get locked up because he was black, maybe it was because he stabbed a cop and that cop didn't like him... because he STABBED him!! I got a funny feeling that if I stabbed somebody... especially a cop, they would have a personal grudge against me too... and maybe I would go to jail years later also, and I'm as white as snow, but because of my income level it wouldn't matter what color I was!!
Its called using footwork, like Ray Robinson, Willie Pep.. lol that is the art of boxing hit & not be hit, should Giardello just stand in front of puncher like Carter & make it easy. You no jack, in boxing You try & keep the puncher off balance with movement! that is just basics..
well at the start it did say that not all action and incidents will be 100% correct, but him losing this fight is not the point, it’s the point that he was falsely imprisoned for over 20 years, for being black and for a murder he didn’t commit
I say the fight is a draw. Carter hurt Joey in half the rounds. The announcers are very one sided in their commentary. Saying Joey is landing when he isn't and Carter not landing when he was. Could of went either way, the scoring was way off by the judges. Carter didn't destroy him like the movie says, but Joey didn't win it the way the judges scored it.
disclaimer: I believe that both of Rubin Carter's convictions were properly overturned. The use of racial motivation was without any evidence specifically pointing to Carter and Artis, just as the Federal judge ruled. I think there is a good chance that Carter was involved in the Lafayette Grill murders but I certainly don't have a definitive opinion one way or the other on that subject
Carter worth to be Champion of the world, technically , was so fare the Best then his concurrent , unfortunately after this Combat ,Carter never recover his technical's level .
You know I don’t think Carter was ever going to be a world champion. Even if his career had not been derailed by wrongful conviction, I still don’t think he was ever going to win the middleweight championship of the world. For starters he couldn’t beat dick tiger and with the emergence of Nino Benvenuti and Carlos Monzon in the division he was never going to be champ of the world.
no wonder fullmer never gave joey a rematch he was slick typical italian american fighters fullmer was the most dirty fighter i have ever seen he liked to use his head too much
I spent like a lot of time looking over it and still came to the conclusion that he was innocent, I can't remember how, it was a long time ago but I remember that a lot of stuff on the website that he's saying simply isn't true.
well at the start it did say that not all action and incidents will be 100% correct, but him losing this fight is not the point, it’s the point that he was falsely imprisoned for over 20 years, for being black and for a murder he didn’t commit
Giardello was a Great Champion!
Wow. I watched this after seeing the fight in the "movie". The movie fight was nothing like the actual fight at all. Not even a little.
@Lord damn you really are a racist son of a bitch,
@Lord i wouldn’t say “black are always victims” if you think that you are abit dumb in the head and you are clearly not very intelligent 😂 but yes Carter was definitely the victim along with many other black people, who don’t get to share their story
Of course not another bullshit Hollywood movie Joey won the fight carter even admitted it and as much as raging bull is my favorite movie of all time and I'm Italian suger ray destroyed Jake every time except one fight
@@christophermarston4491 "Destroyed Jake every time except one fight"...?? "Destroyed"...??
The entire movie was a work of fiction.
All three judges had Giardello as the winner. He (Giardello) won fairly! A much underrated champion.
If Giardello had a good punch, he would have been an icon. As a pure boxer he was one of the greats. But if you don't have a good punch, you become forgotten.
@@yankee2666Rubin is forgotten too.
Great upload. I have known Rubin for a few years now, and I have never heard him say he was jobbed in his fight with Giardello.
Anyone who understands boxing knows that you have to beat the champion for the win...Carter failed to do that in this fight. The fight showed to warriors putting in on the line but the champ was good enough with moving and boxing to retain his title. To move and box was the first thing that my coach taught me before he showed me how to throw a punch. Just for the record he was Sugar Ray Robinson's sparing partner and knew the sport. So hollywood lies again...no big surprise.
Giardello was a very slick boxer.
I have always been a Carter supporter, and through the years I thought Carter was robbed,(never seeing the fight) but after watching this, I feel Giardello won, closer then the scores, but he won.
You're right. I was a Carter fan, even though he became a murderer. I saw the fight on TV and twice since on UA-cam. Giardello definitely won, but I too scored it closer.
@@yankee2666 He was a innocent man.
I had Joey winning 8-7. Certainly not the crap depicted in the movie nor as one side as the actual scorecards. Also, for anyone that actually looked at the evidence in the case, Carter obviously killed those people.
Watched this with a coworker. Had it even after 12 rounds , but Joey G. took two of the last 3. Giardello 8 to 7 decision!
RIP Rubin Hurricane Carter. I show my RESPECT to you.
Rubin Carter is a legend, respect ❤️
Giardello sued the makers of the movie for 75k over the way they portrayed his performance & ability.
And won ! And rightfully so !
Joey should have gotten 8:37 money in the millions. No a measly 75,000 dollars.
Rubin beat him.
They film was so damn dishonest, I'm surprised that they didn't portray him calling him names lol
I can understand a lot of people who don't know boxing might make Carter the winner,but even if you believe that,it's patently obvious that the movie depiction was just an outrage.I mean they show Carter absolutely stomping the crap out of Giardello,then after the decision one of the announcers says"I don't know what fight these judges were watching" and a riot breaks out.See anything like that here?
felltone because it’s a movie, not a documentary. The basis of the movie was not his boxing career. It was his being sentenced for a crime he didn’t commit. The boxing scene shows that his character was used to overcoming racism, even in the boxing ring. The movie Raging Bull did the same. Sugar Ray Robinson beat Jake LaMotta. The movie shows that they were pretty even, when in real life Robinson was the better boxer. But Raging Bull was about how LaMotta was a Christ like figure who endured suffering, sometimes self-inflicted by himself.
Giardello. NEVER landed a hard punch, Joe through powder puff punches then held him in. Not a win of a champ. He bled Ruben had not a mark. A decision for Hurricane
True that s a movie. But Carter out punching more hard ones Joe playing tie him up defense at best a draw, no he didn't hurt Carter once!
A true capsize version but hey joe never hit the man , carter dazed the home towner many times in this fight , They call holding and tieing strategy true fans call it holding for dear life. Sorry
A very close fight, and a pretty good one in my estimation. Many of the rounds were difficult to score in my opinion. I came up with Carter by one round, but it was exactly the type of fight where you would expect a decision for the defending champion, especially in his hometown.The depiction in the movie was clearly unfair, but so are the depictions of "Hurricane" Carter as an overrated, untalented fighter. A pretty enjoyable watch I must say.
After watching this fight, i can see why it was depicted as a win for carter in the movie. It definitely would have been a more boring story if it was displayed that the fight was more of a tie or win for Giardello. I've seen many fights and you have to beat the champion. This was more of a scoring fight and challengers never win those. That's boxing. Even though carter was backing the champ up, he had no control, which is why he lost the fight. Period... nothing racist about it.
Took the words right out of my mouth/phone, 👀 you looking at my phone. Very well said. 💯
In terms of the movie Hurricane including themes of systemic racism, we can take some of the fictionalized moments as composites for attitudes and trends at the time. Was this fight rigged by racists? No. Were others? - my guess would be yes.
Joey the champion 🏆 rules!!❤
hmmm....this was definitely close but I think Giardello deserved this one. He scored better with far fewer misses and quite a few good body punches throughout. Carter was wildly swinging and hurting his score with countless misses. Through the last 8 rounds Giardello was in complete control and you get the sense he's simply not going to give Carter that opening he needs.
One thing is for sure; that Hurricane movie was NOT accurate. Makes me wonder how many other lies were in that film.
Joey Giardello beat carter all the way. he was so good in defence making carter miss so many times, his counters were superb. carter maybe won 6 rounds that give the champ 9 and if you know boxing a challenger has to win to beat the champ.
The movie was a bloody travisty of history which the makers had to pay joey off rightfully.
joey died in the last couple of years, RUBIN is stil alive. Tell the truth Rubin Carter, dont let Hollewood buy you.
BOx on
I may be biased cause this my great uncle but I feel he won since he clearly landed the harder punches and was the aggressor. However he Joey did land more punches. This one a classic for sure. Legendary.
They should make a movie out of this.
Giardello was slandered by the Hollywood YKW's in one of their typical crappy melodramas.
Joey G has a good left hand finds the body at will. Movie kinda had it different a little bit !
Kinda? Lol
Joey didnt take non stop punishment like the movie showed but he did clearly lose the fight and suffered a bad cut during the fight the movie mad it more dramatic
@@RadeMusicandSports89 "he did clearly lose the fight"👌 What fight were you watching...!?! But I do agree with you the movie had it wrong, I would say completely wrong. Without a doubt he won that fight and if you don't think so... well let's just say, I'm glad you're not a judge. 👊💪💯
@@ryanskee777 i mean Joey clearly loss this fight against Hurricane carter joey won about 5 rounds maybe 6 out of the 15 rounds joey was crafty in spots but carter landed the more CLEAN AND EFFECTIVE PUNCHES which is majority of what rounds are scored on in professional boxing so if i was a judge thats a main part of the scoring criteria 💯
@@ryanskee777 well at the start it did say that not all action and incidents will be 100% correct, but him losing this fight is not the point, it’s the point that he was falsely imprisoned for over 20 years, for being black and for a murder he didn’t commit
long live Carter the true champ
THEY BOTH WERE VERY GOOD FIGHTERS WHO LOST TO A LITTLE 5' 8" GUY CALLED DICK TIGER. HE WAS REALLY SOMETHING.
Giardello win one and lost one against Tiger. You're correct that Tiger beat Carter
Great fight! I thought Rubin had the edge through the first 7, then Joey outfoxed him the rest of the way. Too bad there was no rematch.
Not the only lie in that dishonest movie.
They went at it the final round good fight. After watching the movie, and now see it live Dr. Carter really did win.
rest in peace rubin ur a champ 4 justice,
mike get ur fact straight ,,he was aquitted on thoses charges,but lost 20 years of his life in prison
im a former middle weight fighter u get ur facts straight
he committed no crime only the blind justice system took 20 years of a innocent mans life,,america fail him,thats why he lived in cananda
no he wasnt,,the american justice system fail again!!!!!
Eriberto Nunez And where did Carter spend the earlier part of his life?
IN PRISON
You must have been a cellmate of his or visiting relatives or friends at the time. Cholo
Although the fight was much closer than the judges scored it, Giardello won.
I scored the fight Giardello 9 rounds, Carter 6 rounds.
The Hurricane" (1999) movie brought me here. I fully expected to see a fight somewhat similar to what was portrayed in the film. Not only was the decision NOT controversial...Joey Giardello actually won the fight pretty easily! In fact, I scored the fight 72-65 for Joey Giardello. Not even close! 😂That's Hollywood for you...
well at the start it did say that not all action and incidents will be 100% correct, but him losing this fight is not the point, it’s the point that he was falsely imprisoned for over 20 years, for being black and for a murder he didn’t commit
reality is racistXD
Yep another bullshit Hollywood movie just as raging bull my favorite movie of all time and I'm Italian Jake Lamota beat sugar ray Robinson in the first fight they ever fought in sugar ray's first fight as a middle weight after that Robinson destroyed him in all there other fights they weren't even close
I was sitting next to Joe Frazier at this fight. We both thought Carter won on aggressiveness and effective punching.
hate these hollywood movies that disrepect the facts
@lapixiegrl He didn't run...he boxed. And if you want to make race an issue, plenty of great black fighters have made careers out of out-manuvering and counter-punching. Or as you say "running." It was a close fight. If you think Carter "whooped Giardello's ass," it does kind of make it seem like you don't know the sport very well.
@madmax8903 Hundreds of boxing experts. Not clowns who watched a movie. Have stated that Joey won this fight by a 3-1 margin.
Giardello sued the makers of the film and won a VERY LARGE SUM of cash. He won this fight.
Idiots boo at fights. Mix testosterone with drunken couch potatoes and you get this at every fight.
@blite13 A draw? Please treat yourself to a good pair of glasses because Giardello was the clear winner. Outside of winning a few of the early rounds and landing a handful of solid punches during the fight Carter was out boxed and out worked.
poor joey he won the fight but lost it in hollywood i used to like ron howard no happy days money over right
It’s-a-movie.
@@THEDONSTR8Fightah76 A movie that ruined Giardellos reputation. He sued them for that film.
8 Sins So freakin’ what?
@@THEDONSTR8Fightah76 So what? If you built up a reputation all your life just for a film to destroy it all with 1 part of it how would you feel?
8 Sins I’d feel Great. ‘Cause it was a Great movie, and it was Den-zel Washingtooooon
Turn the sound off...Joey was clear winner, hardly any punches from Carter that were in combos or scored.
Good to see this posted. It shows a few things clearly. 1) The movie's depiction was nonsense. 2) There was no robbery. Are we to give Carter points simply for moving forward? His work rate was not good for someone trying to take a title. Simply looking menacing, is not enough. He did have some good rounds earlier in the fight not nearly enough to win in anything like an obvious fashion. On the other hand, those who want to emphasize Giardello's skills can make a more convincing case.
Carter didn’t make the movie, blame Hollywood not Carter.
@@Servant_Friend_Son Did I blame him for the movie? Sure, he didn't make the movie but he was happy to milk the movie's false presentation (not just of the fight) without contradicting it. It would have been great if he had been honest at that point.
@@somewhere6 what you expect him to be a private detective and go around and find all of the fact before he did his job as an actor. That’s a ridiculous notion. Like you know what truly happened with hurricane Carter anyway. Your not an authority on subject, you weren’t there in 1966 when this crap went down. Your a person with an opinion same as me.
@@Servant_Friend_Son What are you talking about? Whose job as an actor? Who is supposed to be a private detective? Here are some facts. 1) The movie deliberately altered many things that were known about Carter's life and which were known and not in dispute. 2) Carter nonetheless went along with a lot of those alterations for a long time. Much later, he started to back off when confronted with facts. 3) Carter, on his own, also made false representations about details of his life which were later shown to be false. None of that has anything to do with anyone's opinion.
@@somewhere6 yeah it’s a movie bro, what book that got turned into a movie has not been tampered with. Blame the director not carter or the actors. Blame Hollywood for messing up every book turned movie with there agenda. Plus you act like you knew Ruben Hurricane Carter you don’t know shit all you know is what the news and UA-cam says get out of here with that crap. Talking about “I’ll tell you facts” if you knew him personally or his family or the victims or their families then maybe you would have some clout on this. Like I said your a man with an opinion.
@thugger1234 what explains all your accounts? just joined today? have fun with your hate.
Most people scoring the fight for Carter are his sympathizers and know absolutely nothing about boxing. Giardello won this fight hands down.
@MrWhoyouis Don't let your hate cloud your judgement....otherwise, you make MISTAKES.
He was never declared innocent though, I still think he is innocent looking over the evidence, having an open mind and not being fooled by how great the movie made him appear to be.
he was clearly innocent, if you look at the transcripts it shows the diffence in the witnesses descriptions before and after speaking with the police, Rubin Carter was innocent
@@anonymous-ns1xd You're in serious denial.
The Ring magazine at the time clearly suggested that Carter won the fight and events later rather supported that but watching it it seems a correct verdict
I just came here because the movie Hurricane claims Carter was robbed. Hard to tell from this footage but it looked pretty even. Will need to see the whole thing. The movie showed Joey getting destroyed in the final round.
Check out Cal Deal's website.
Giardello sued Universal for the rediculous depiction of this fight turning it into a racial issue. The DVD also now has to state that the fight is not accurate.
@Lord i think Carter won but we can agree to disagree
well at the start it did say that not all action and incidents will be 100% correct, but him losing this fight is not the point, it’s the point that he was falsely imprisoned for over 20 years, for being black and for a murder he didn’t commit
I really appreciate that this was made available for viewing here. Joey might have won, but by no more than three points. Carter also might have won by three. I had Joey winning my 1, with the fight even ater 12. two of the three judges appeared to be way of the mark. Maybe they were drinking that beer. I felt that Carter cleary won 6 of the rounds, with Joey winning many close rounds that could have gone either way. What an obnoxious beer commercial.
@guntamada absolutly correct...that commentator is blind...every time carter hits...he says-champion hits...someone who didnt know who was the champion then would think its rubin
Listen they both fought very well, but I will say that today the numbers are very much influenced by whoever is the aggressor . Today the numbers would have been different. On the flip side if he didn't knock out Joey he loses the fight. But from 6:29 to 6:40 the commentator mentions Joey as staying out of trouble avoiding getting hurt in the final round. Remember Carter didn't go down either.
@Totemspirit8
clearly!
Giardello misses a right hook at the end of a combo at 0:11, I`m comparing Carter`s defense to Mugabi`s another super puncher who fought for the middleweight title.
www.boxingforum24.com/threads/john-mugabe-vs-hurricane-carter.614005/#post-19381707
لقد دخل التاريخ هذا الملاكم والعالم يعرفة كبقية العظماء لأنه ظلمته العنصرية وعصابات المافيا وباصرارة استطاع ان ينال الحريه وتتعلم الناس منه أن الكراهية هي فتاك الف الف الف الف تحيه لك أيها البطل الحقيقى واتمنى لك التوفيق
كثير من الناس يبحثون عن المجد وهم لايعلمون انه في انفسهم
Get that wormshit off the screen.
joeys plan was to take carter to the 15th before this he hadn't been 15 rounds
I had to watch this because In the movie it showed carter the clear winner and then robbed of the decision...
It was a good close fight but I think Joey did enough to retain the title...
Watch Hurricane's punch at 4:57
Troy Rossi he about knocked his ass out
@@timedwards5477 Nice shot, but... nowhere near ko. Lol
Carter either did it, or he didn't. Our opinions mean nothing. However, I can't help but think that the victim himself thinking he didn't do it is quite meaningful. Got that?
No, he did it.
He definitely did it. The evidence is overwhelming
@@samsonknight4316 he was involved I don't think he did the shooting himself I have think he was a lookout
@@samsonknight4316 the evidence? what evidence? witnesses were bought of by the racist white cops who wanted to see an innocent successful black man go to prison.
@@louduva9849 you clearly have no idea what happened, witnesses were bought of by the racist white cops who wanted to see an innocent successful black man go to prison. RUBIN CARTER WAS INNOCENT AND YOU HATE TO SEE IT, YOU’RE A CLOWN 🤡
Hotep. And why did it take them overall about 30 minutes and I believe this is the fight ehat in Atlantic City. Y'all have No Honor!!🔥💯🎯🔱
THE ANNOUNCERS WILL LET YOU KNOW WHEN GIARDELLO LANDS A PUNCH BUT WHEN RUBIN LANDS THEY SAY NOTHING MOST OF THE TIME UNLESS ITS A BIG SHOT
Well Joey was the champion I’m pretty sure at the time so basically if it was the other way around it would be the same way,GOBISH! Actually back then people didn’t just assume like what we live in today a bunch of assumptions from others,Conor mcregror “who the fool is this guy”
@@ninopatafio9442 Joey was crafty but Rubin landed the more clean effective punches so if the challenger is actually landing clean shots he deserves credit i actually had Rubin winning 9 rounds to 6 but 2 of the judges only gave him 5 rounds thats a disgrace
Ha ha. I love boxing, race means nothing to me. My favourites are Ali and Sugar Ray Robinson. So don't tell me I'm a racist because I believe this was a valid points decision for Giardello and the "Hurricane" movie was a SHAM. Personally, I think if the fight had of been in New York it would have been much closer in the scoring - not for race reasons but because Giardello made all the clinches and was backing up most of the fight. Aggression always counted more with New York judges.
Not Giardello's best work but I think he won a pretty close fight.
Stay to the end and see the beginning of a Carlos Ortiz fight.
In a title fight, you have to win decisively, which Carter didn't do. As for the movie, what a pack of lies. And Birdman Robert Stroud too was innocent. The only difference is that Stroud wasn't Black and thus couldn't use the race card.
Giardello never beat Fullmer, it was a draw. His record against Dick Tiger was two wins, two losses. And yes, he did beat a 42yo Sugar Ray Robinson. He also ducked George Benton who'd given him a proper hiding in his own back yard - Convention Hall, Philadelphia
Duck Georgie Benton? I don’t think he was a fighter that anybody would actually duck. Benton’s résumé is not really a Who’s Who list of all-time great’s. Most of the fighters he fought had losing records. And Giradello did fight Benton and beat him by unanimous decision in 1962
Carter wasn't the same after this.
well i mean he was falsely imprisoned for over 20 years
Giardello was boring. Made all the clinches and backed up all night. Whatever happened to aggression counting in the scoring? Carter needed to learn how to cut the ring off. His skills in that area were poor.
Damn, in the movie carter was beating the SHIT out of this fool. I started thinking they gave the win away because of that shit he said that was on the record.
Benton gave Giardello a good beating 14 months prior to Giardello taking the middleweight title from Dick Tiger. Giardello ran all night on his own admission but still got the decision against Tiger. Benton knew how to cut the ring off, Giardello ducked him after taking the title.
Then Wikipedia is lying, too, says the conviction was "set aside".
Yeah, Giardello won this, no doubt, they exaggerated that in the movie.
well at the start it did say that not all action and incidents will be 100% correct, but him losing this fight is not the point, it’s the point that he was falsely imprisoned for over 20 years, for being black and for a murder he didn’t commit
@redfishmann You are right there. A "homer" no doubt about that!
Much better than what the movie depicted. This is real. I don't know who really won. It's hard to judge. I'd say its even, cause the Hurricane punished him hard in the early rounds and later on Giardello managed to get on top. I'd put it even for both.
You mean Carter didn't whoop him in the first round then have it get called a loss? Hmm... the movie LIED. Big time!
Giardello won this fight ,Closer then i thought though.
1. Carter clearly lost the fight!2 . Carter knew he lost! 3. the fans knew too! there was NO riot after the fight. what a joke!
As much as I wanted to say that Giardello won, It seemed to me that Carter won, something like 8-6-1 He fought aggressively throughout and landed the harder punches. I understand that Philly was Giardello's home town and also that it's really tough to get a decision against a champion, unless you do it convincingly.
This fight was a kind of reversal of Pastrano winning against Johnson. Challenger sneaking out a close points decision.
I see both sides of this. I would understand if Carter & his followers thought he was shortchanged. Incidently, I thought he committed the murders. I also think that the movie Hurricane was a propaganda film. Also, I never rooted for a black fighter against a white opponent in 40 years of watching fights, but that never convinced me that I was racist.
But i have always been fair and I call them as I see them.
Easy win for Carter. Was the aggressor throughout the fight and landed the most effective blows. Hurt Giardello numerous times.
Are you sniffing glue again?
@@REBEL368KSW Yes. I can see clearer when I sniff it.
I agree
racisam against blacka. absolutley
TO BE THE CHAMPION, YOU HAVE TO BEAT THE CHAMPION...This was a BOXING match, and the decision was made correctly by 2 of 3 judges. Mr. Carter did not beat the champion. While I can say Mr. Carter, clearly won 3 rounds, and Mr. Giardello clearly won 4 rounds, the champ easily out-landed Mr. Carter in most all of the remaining, albeit, very close rounds. In defense of the obvious, when the two fighters come out in the 15th round, they already knew who was clearly in the lead by their actions. Mr. Carter showed anxious desperation, in a futile attempt giving it all he had left. Mr. Giardello, however... BOXED and easily coasted to a well deserved victory..That is how I saw things after being witness to a typical example of the fine art of boxing in my humble opinion.... In a real fight, with no rules... I feel quite sure Mr. Carter would of had a definite advantage, he would most likely have pulled a gun as he later proved he was quite capable of, when he took part in murdering some people. As an experienced, extremely violent criminal, he already had lots of practice at theft, assault, and murder. Robbing, stabbing,and shooting not to mention assaulting the 112 pound girl who was the reason a judge let him out after his first conviction only to be found guilty a second time quite easily because of his witnesses admitted he bribed them into a fake alibi during the first trial, was, according to his own admissions, "just the way I was raised and the way I have always lived my life." I know for sure that somewhere hidden between the Hollywood story and the actual story there lies the truth. Once again, my opinion. Peace. (never trust or speak to cops, and long live MMA)
I personally think the pat.cops had something to do with it.
For the people that have said the movie is about him being black and falsely imprisoned... so the truth of the outcome of the fight is irrelevant. So I don't have to reply to each and every person....
They also said it's a true story, right... so the people that haven't saw the fight and only go by the movie (which most people do, especially younger no offense Young Bucks, y'all just wasn't around to see the fight live and understand the atmosphere and feelings there in) then they perceive it to be true when it's just exaggerated lies. That puts all the rest of the facts into question. It starts to turn out like CNN. It was such a big deal they got sued over exactly that fight scene in the movie. So I don't think it's JUST about him being imprisoned, it's also about his life, and his life as a boxer and being black. If you want to call it a "true story" but the truth isn't what you like, don't just flat-out make up a lie. They acted like everybody in the crowd and the announcers believed hurricane won the fight, when that just isn't the truth, the people in the crowd didn't think that. It gives a false perception of reality, hence the lawsuit. Don't act like he won a fight that he didn't, just because he got locked up when he shouldn't have. It's got me questioning the whole movie... maybe he didn't get locked up because he was black, maybe it was because he stabbed a cop and that cop didn't like him... because he STABBED him!! I got a funny feeling that if I stabbed somebody... especially a cop, they would have a personal grudge against me too... and maybe I would go to jail years later also, and I'm as white as snow, but because of my income level it wouldn't matter what color I was!!
carter was buff
Carter said he lost the fight in his book.
Hurricanes legs are so small.
Its called using footwork, like Ray Robinson, Willie Pep.. lol that is the art of boxing hit & not be hit, should Giardello just stand in front of puncher like Carter & make it easy. You no jack, in boxing You try & keep the puncher off balance with movement! that is just basics..
lol the movie lies :O shocking lol
i think the final verdict was accurate , but both were awesome fighters
well at the start it did say that not all action and incidents will be 100% correct, but him losing this fight is not the point, it’s the point that he was falsely imprisoned for over 20 years, for being black and for a murder he didn’t commit
Such as?
If you haven't watched the movie how do you know it's a work of fiction?
His conviction was overturned, so he's NOT a murderer.
I say the fight is a draw. Carter hurt Joey in half the rounds. The announcers are very one sided in their commentary. Saying Joey is landing when he isn't and Carter not landing when he was. Could of went either way, the scoring was way off by the judges. Carter didn't destroy him like the movie says, but Joey didn't win it the way the judges scored it.
was carter a great fighter ask harry scott
On a technnicality.
disclaimer: I believe that both of Rubin Carter's convictions were properly overturned. The use of racial motivation was without any evidence specifically pointing to Carter and Artis, just as the Federal judge ruled. I think there is a good chance that Carter was involved in the Lafayette Grill murders but I certainly don't have a definitive opinion one way or the other on that subject
Carter worth to be Champion of the world, technically , was so fare the Best then his concurrent , unfortunately after this Combat ,Carter never recover his technical's level .
You know I don’t think Carter was ever going to be a world champion. Even if his career had not been derailed by wrongful conviction, I still don’t think he was ever going to win the middleweight championship of the world. For starters he couldn’t beat dick tiger and with the emergence of Nino Benvenuti and Carlos Monzon in the division he was never going to be champ of the world.
The commentator downplaying
@warblerab I agree with you, and how about that crap tune form bob dylan,eulogising that jailbird carter.
Why Joey didn't fight George Benton? He picks his fight well
no wonder fullmer never gave joey a rematch he was slick typical italian american fighters fullmer was the most dirty fighter i have ever seen he liked to use his head too much
I liked Carter better for the win myself, but I'm no boxing Judge
69 66 for Girardello.
@somewhere6 It was a close fight. The movie was fiction. But Joey didn't do much either. It was pretty much a draw,
the movie is non fiction and is based on a true story, don’t miss the whole point of the movie because of one scene
118-114
I spent like a lot of time looking over it and still came to the conclusion that he was innocent, I can't remember how, it was a long time ago but I remember that a lot of stuff on the website that he's saying simply isn't true.
Carter was a dangerous psychopath who murdered those people. You need to research it better if you came to the conclusion that he was innocent.
the movie was BS.giardello outboxed him the entire last 9 rounds.racism noo way
well at the start it did say that not all action and incidents will be 100% correct, but him losing this fight is not the point, it’s the point that he was falsely imprisoned for over 20 years, for being black and for a murder he didn’t commit
Huriccane legend
Hurricane Murderer
@@jimmyd8206 damn you dumb, racist son of a bitch 😂 he was an innocent black man and you just hate to hear it
@dongoldney That whole movie was a total fairy tale.
Nah the bones were there but Hollywood had its way with the movie.
you missed the whole point of a movie off of one scene which can be turned either why
@@anonymous-ns1xd that’s every movie Hollywood has ever made. You can see this in books turned movie as well.