Timestamps: 1. Start 0:00 Disclaimer 0:54 Why the refutation was made 3:30 Who are the Khawarij? 5:09 Practical Reprocusions 6:20 Hajji's errors in basic knowledge 8:57 Hajji's errors in quoting resources 12:04 2. Beginning of deconstructing Hajji's argument: Hajji's argument 15:03 Hajji's lack of understanding the concept of ijma (consensus) 17:58 Origin of the Khawarij 19:33 Consensus that one will become a khariji by rebelling against Muslim rulers 21:35 3. Hajji's disclaimer and ambiguity 23:36 Effects of ambigous statements 28:44 4. "There is no obedience in disobeying Allah" 30:54 Imam Ahmed commands to hate wrongdoing but don't uprise and be patient. 35:24 Rights of muslim who is opressed 39:09 5. Enjoining good and stopping evil. 40:45 Advise the leader by his hand privately 42:43 Scholars reconciling the two hadiths 44:56 Ibn Abbas and Said Ibn Jubair on muslim rulers 46:30 Being patient vs legatimizing 48:55 6. Dealing with oppressors 51:10 Hajji says common view salaf held was uprising against muslim rulers was allowed 53:40 7. Hajji's claim deconstructed 57:16 Shaybani refutes Hajji 59:00 Imam Ahmed refutes Hajji 1:01:05 Imam Ibn Mudhir refutes Hajji 1:02:23 Imam Al Baghawi refutes Hajji 1:02:43 Ibn Mullaqin refutes Hajji 1:03:48 Others who refuted him 1:04:10 8. Salaf "revolting" against Hajaj 1:06:10 The response 1:10:13; Ibn Taymiyah's view 1:11:50 9. Deconstructing Hajji's distortion in the examples he gives 1:15:05; Husain 1:16:05 Abdullah In Zubair 1:23:15 People of Iraq revolting 1:23:57 10. "Imam Nawawi was lenient in transmitting consensus" 1:24:43 This principle that the death of a person doesn't mean his view died with him: deconstructed 1:25:25 Ijtihad 1:32:30 11. Hajji's hypocrisy and deception in leaving out lines and paragraphs exposed 1:34:25; Hajji changing the meaning of a word 1:41:08 Hajji's distortion of Tafsir Al Qurtubi 1:48:10 Ibn Shaybah 1:54:17 Hajji's inconsistency 1:54:42 Back to Ibn Shaybah 1:58:56 Bidaya Wan Nihaya 2:02:54 Ahkamul Quran 2:05:04 Ayyub As Sikhtiyani 2:11:58 Bidaya Wan Nihaya 2:12:46 Tarikh At Tabari 2:14:14 12. Imam Malik commands to revolt against Abu Jafar: Unauthentic 2:15:08 Al Kamil Fit Tarikh 2:19:53 Ibn Hajar: Hajji leaves off lines again 2:20:51 13. Madhab of the Salaf is not to revolt 2:24:35; Ibn Taymiyah's view 2:25:45 Hadith in Sahih Muslim 2:26:50 Ibn Hazm brings names, but was wrong 2:30:50 14. Destructive effects of Hajji's principles 2:35:00 Ending 2:39:55
Ibn Umar reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said: السَّمْعُ وَالطَّاعَةُ عَلَى الْمَرْءِ الْمُسْلِمِ فِيمَا أَحَبَّ وَكَرِهَ مَا لَمْ يُؤْمَرْ بِمَعْصِيَةٍ فَإِذَا أُمِرَ بِمَعْصِيَةٍ فَلَا سَمْعَ وَلَا طَاعَةَ Listening to and obeying the leader is an obligation upon a Muslim, whether he likes it or dislikes it, as long as he is not commanded to disobey Allah. If he is commanded to disobey, then there is no listening or obedience. Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 2796, Grade: Muttafaqun Alayhi
21:00 If speaking against a Muslim ruler renders you khariji what about the hadith: "The best fighting (jihad) in the path of Allah is (to speak) a word of justice to an oppressive ruler." [Abu Dawud 4344]
I've never seen soo much fitnah regarding opinions and different groups who claimed to be upon the salaf in the UK. There are too many people who claim they are upon the way of the salaf but are against each other?! I think a big clarification is needed as many laymen like me are confused at the situation. Allahu alam.
BarakAllah Feek Imran. No insults, no jokes, no arrogance, just clear cut evidence. May Allah keep granting you knowledge and strength to preserve our deen the way it should be.
Hudhaifa reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said: لَا تَكُونُوا إِمَّعَةً تَقُولُونَ إِنْ أَحْسَنَ النَّاسُ أَحْسَنَّا وَإِنْ ظَلَمُوا ظَلَمْنَا وَلَكِنْ وَطِّنُوا أَنْفُسَكُمْ إِنْ أَحْسَنَ النَّاسُ أَنْ تُحْسِنُوا وَإِنْ أَسَاءُوا فَلَا تَظْلِمُوا Do not let yourselves become blind followers, saying that if the people are good then we will be good, and if they are unjust then we will be unjust. Rather, make up your own minds. If the people are good then be good, but if they are evil then do not be unjust. Source: Sunan At-Tirmidhi 2007, Grade: Hasan
Aisha reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “O Allah, whoever is given charge over my nation and he is harsh with them, then be harsh with him. Whoever is given charge over my nation and he is gentle with them, then be gentle with him.”
This Hajji guy wants to rebel against the Muslim leaders from the comfort of his own home a thousand miles away. Can he not see the effects of rebelling in the arab countries. Just look at how many innocent people have died, homes and land destroyed. It speaks for itself.
@@blist3244 keep sabar and make du'a, but when a leader openly asks you to disobey almighty ALLAH SWT then one should disobey the leader who asks him do such, and other than that just know these tyrants will face ALLAH SWT one day, and I end with a du'a hasbunallahu wa ni'mal wakeel (sufficient for us is ALLAH,and he is the best disposer of affairs)
Anas ibn Malik reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said: اتَّقُوا دَعْوَةَ الْمَظْلُومِ وَإِنْ كَانَ كَافِرًا فَإِنَّهُ لَيْسَ دُونَهَا حِجَابٌ Beware of the supplication of the oppressed, even if he is an unbeliever, for there is no screen between it and Allah. Source: Musnad Ahmad 12140, Grade: Sahih
Brother imran from what i have seen from shamsi he seems like a sincere man thats following اهل السنة والجماعة and for english veirs who watch islamic vids i always advise them to watch you shamsi and abu taymiyah cause i beleive ur all upon guidance inshallah.. so please explain in detail what the situation is جزاك الله خير Edit: i have not seen shamsi say publically anything that goes against the sunnah of the prophet (to my knowledge) and he always refers to the quran and authentic hadith and mentions the scholars of the salaf so this is surprising... and so far from what ive heard from ur refutation u both r starting in the same way saying that this is a مسالة متعلقة بالعقيدة ارجو التوضيح يا اخ عمران لاني لم ارى شي من شمسي يوضح انه ليس على هدى في عقيدته وشكرا
It's mainly the group he is associated to. Spubs that he always references in the park on all of his books. They are a hizb (a sect/group) that is based upon only their sheikhs. That's why you hear him only quote a handful of students of knowledge; Abu Khadijah, Abu Iyad, and some others in UK. And to them everyone else is misguided or 'unknown'. They refute people by taking their statements out of context like what they did to Imrans teacher, Ustad Abdulrahman Hasan. That's why it is quite impossible to reconcile with them.
S B I’m like you. I like both. We can take good and benefit from both these brothers upon the Sunnah. The main problem between them rises from when The people Shamsi takes from and advocated attacked Imrans teacher Ustadh AbdulRahman Hassan. People in Imrans camp and people that aren’t really SPUBS favourite don’t like the fact that SPUbs is like a hizb. They create this you vs Us. We are right you are wrong mentality. If you disagree with them or don’t take from them or make the slightest mistake, you are not upon the Manhaj according to them. They refute everyone and everything with the harshest of ways.
So now hajji will respond to you and shamsi will too.. then hajji will respond to you and so will shamsi too.. and it goes on.. .... ... and ‘youtube’ loves it.. will more goodness comes from it? I don’t know.. but it’s Ramadan let’s make the most of it.. love to everyone..
جزاك الله خيرا واضح, اللهم بارك Ikhwa wa akhawāt, please just realise how much was dismantled in this video alone. The position of Ahlus-Sunnah is clear on this issue. I ask Allāh subhānahu-wa-ta’āla to increase us in sincerity, Āmeen.
It is not for the believers to go forth in battle all at once. For there should separate from every division of them a group to obtain understanding in the religion and to warn their people when they return to them that they might be cautious. Surat At-Tawba 9:122
Salam, I have a question about the person you mentioned at the prophet SAW time that was the founder of the khawaarij. You said that because he said that the prophet was unjust the prophet said he's from the khawaarij. Does that prove that if you go against the ruler completely you are a khawaarij or if you are going against a ruler who is just and calling them unjust/oppressive etc make you a khawaarij. Because my issue is the prophet was a just man so calling him unjust when he is just would bring about a big issue of slander etc right? But what if the leader was unjust and someone was just saying outloud the attributes that everybody already knows the leader has? I.e if they were oppressive to women or something. Timestamp was around 21:35. Jzk
So how do you know the prophet was saying he's from the leader of the khawaarij not because he went against a leader but he went against a just leader? This is basically my point @dawah man
The biggest problem with all these refutations is it's still not dealing with the issue. Honestly I'm only 20mins in but heard all these arguments for yrs. Rebelling or fighting or jihad these need to defined. Muslim leaders this also needs to be defined. What happened in the establishment of the modern Arab/Muslim states needs to be defined. Unless those points above are dealt with it's all gonna be tit for tat.
Ziyad bin Kusaib Al-Adawi said: "I was with Abu Bakrah under the Minbar of Ibn Amir while he was giving a Khutbah wearing a fine garment. Abu Bilal said: "Look at our Amir wearing clothes of wickedness!' So Abu Bakrah said: "Be quiet! I heard the Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وسلم saying: *"Whoever insults Allah’s Rulers on the earth, Allah disgraces him.''* (Hasan) Tirmidhi 2224
Shukkar Allah for bringing this brother in our life’s. to come with the honest truth. The flag of Islam flies strong when attached to a strong pole straight and upright like the imaan of this brother. May Allah almighty reward him and keep him safe Ameen
This video would have been better done after Ramadan because this is gonna cause a lot distraction among the muslim in the uk. Instead of spending their days reciting Qur’an and doing dhikr they will be discussing this. Allah knows best
MashaAllah, We are living in the golden age of Imran Dawah man. Such a wonderful video dissecting every single thing in detail. Would like to hear Hajjis response, hopefully, he changes his view and retracts.
Totally agree . Perfect 👍👌 grammar is very important. Thanks to brother for elaborating . May Allah giude us all . "The disease that knowledge brings is arrogance, and the disease that worship brings is showing off" ~ Ibn Taymiyyah
Just Pray clothing exactly! This is nothing but a distraction in Ramadan. He should have done this after Ramadan because this will be all people will talk about instead of reciting Qur’an and doing dhikr
@@AllahURabBI19 no its not a distraction? you should make a scehdule that includes all your worship then have some 'free time' for learning about your deen through these videos. that is a worship too.
Alhamdulillah may Allah reward you with your knowledge brother! !! This other guy 😑 You can't spead knowledge if your not 100% as some people will follow thinking they are right subhanallah Allah guide us all may Allah guide him ameen.
Ibn Taymiyyah said: جِهَادُ النَّفْسِ وَالْهَوَى أَصْلُ جِهَادِ الْكُفَّارِ وَالْمُنَافِقِينَ فَإِنَّهُ لَا يَقْدِرُ عَلَى جِهَادِهِمْ حَتَّى يُجَاهِدَ نَفْسَهُ وَهَوَاهُ أَوَّلًا حَتَّى يَخْرُجَ إلَيْهِمْ Jihad of the soul against desire is the foundation of jihad against unbelievers and hypocrites, for a Muslim cannot wage jihad against them unless he has first waged jihad against his soul and desires before he goes out against them. Source: Rawdat Al-Muhibeen 1/478
Just ask one important question; should we rebel against someone like Sisi or Saddam Hussein or the other dictators who has been there and some still there? That’s the issue with these people. Imran no offence I have followed you for the past 5-6-7 years, but these things frustrate me. How can you say to not rebel against a leader like al saud who works with the enermy of Allah and jail and kill Muslims? How deluded does someone has to be? Btw I didn’t watch the full video but my issue is you defending the argument that we shouldn’t rebel against people who oppress, jail and kill Muslims. That goes against any sane persons mind!
I feel people disliked this vedio before seeing it because my beloved brother Imran people think you shouldnt speak about such deep hard topics. You should leave it to your teacher ustad AbdulRahman which is more knowledgeable. Even doh your points could be valid why not just ask you teacher to make a veido on your channel ?
Hajji- whilst sitting on his comfortable sofa, wants people rebel against Muslim leaders Hajji evidence- doesn’t exist, instead he is, using Hadiths to justify his claims In a nutshell he lies Shamsi- was trying tell him you can’t rebel Dawah man- in a nutshell broke down all the lies hajji mentions
That's what they tell you. They also refute and ex communicate people whi studied with the scholars. Shaykh Tahir Wyatt has a PHD from medina. And was the first American to teach in the prophets blessed masjid (pbuh). They still refute him. So find another reason for defending them.
S-o basically Hajji Saab method is khawarij But not by ideology and theolgy Whos more in for danger Can you have a sufi ideology and theology yet a have a khawriji methodology (murji)
Sometimes it’s better being quite, seeking knowledge with scholars instead of refuting brothers that are doing the same wrong as you by speaking while they are not scholars
Asalaamualaikum. In order to be just I have to mention specifically on the topic of the mistakes in hajji's speech it is unfair that you are insistent on him pronouncing things incorrectly. His mic is not as clear as yours as is evident from the video and even in the specific examples you give of his mistakes all that can be said is that it his speech is not clear and so he needs to be more precise. Other than that, may Allah reward you for clarifying the shubuhaat from his videos.
The first Khawarij didn't make takfir one the one doing sins that was a later development.So that is not a reason some one is not khariji even Isis doesn't make takfir on the ones who fornicates,drinks alcohol etc
Salam brother hajji makes a lot more sense than you do as please ibn taymiyah ra was not even a tabi so please stop taking him that high. You lot need to know that tyrant leader is a tyrant khalas
People who want the truth and are upright non hizbiyyah will listen to both and take down notes and compare - and not let Imran put words or ideas that Hajji himself did not say or intend.
Imran Mansur lets try and put our energy on uniting brothers. Lets not be divided especially in these times. Would you openly criticize the tyrannical ruler?.....then why would you openly criticize your brother?
Personally bro I think this comes down to that he’s a ‘deobandi’ and your a ‘salafi’.. to be honest I haven’t got over 2 hours to watch this but Insha’Allah everything is clarified clearly and people can understand for themselves but Iv come to realise most people just stick to who they ‘like’ most and follow they can’t see past that..
Timestamps: 1. Start 0:00 Disclaimer 0:54 Why the refutation was made 3:30 Who are the Khawarij? 5:09 Practical Reprocusions 6:20 Hajji's errors in basic knowledge 8:57 Hajji's errors in quoting resources 12:04 2. Beginning of deconstructing Hajji's argument: Hajji's argument 15:03 Hajji's lack of understanding the concept of ijma (consensus) 17:58 Origin of the Khawarij 19:33 Consensus that one will become a khariji by rebelling against Muslim rulers 21:35 3. Hajji's disclaimer and ambiguity 23:36 Effects of ambigous statements 28:44 4. "There is no obedience in disobeying Allah" 30:54 Imam Ahmed commands to hate wrongdoing but don't uprise and be patient. 35:24 Rights of muslim who is opressed 39:09 5. Enjoining good and stopping evil. 40:45 Advise the leader by his hand privately 42:43 Scholars reconciling the two hadiths 44:56 Ibn Abbas and Said Ibn Jubair on muslim rulers 46:30 Being patient vs legatimizing 48:55 6. Dealing with oppressors 51:10 Hajji says common view salaf held was uprising against muslim rulers was allowed 53:40 7. Hajji's claim deconstructed 57:16 Shaybani refutes Hajji 59:00 Imam Ahmed refutes Hajji 1:01:05 Imam Ibn Mudhir refutes Hajji 1:02:23 Imam Al Baghawi refutes Hajji 1:02:43 Ibn Mullaqin refutes Hajji 1:03:48 Others who refuted him 1:04:10 8. Salaf "revolting" against Hajaj 1:06:10 The response 1:10:13; Ibn Taymiyah's view 1:11:50 9. Deconstructing Hajji's distortion in the examples he gives 1:15:05; Husain 1:16:05 Abdullah In Zubair 1:23:15 People of Iraq revolting 1:23:57 10. "Imam Nawawi was lenient in transmitting consensus" 1:24:43 This principle that the death of a person doesn't mean his view died with him: deconstructed 1:25:25 Ijtihad 1:32:30 11. Hajji's hypocrisy and deception in leaving out lines and paragraphs exposed 1:34:25; Hajji changing the meaning of a word 1:41:08 Hajji's distortion of Tafsir Al Qurtubi 1:48:10 Ibn Shaybah 1:54:17 Hajji's inconsistency 1:54:42 Back to Ibn Shaybah 1:58:56 Bidaya Wan Nihaya 2:02:54 Ahkamul Quran 2:05:04 Ayyub As Sikhtiyani 2:11:58 Bidaya Wan Nihaya 2:12:46 Tarikh At Tabari 2:14:14 12. Imam Malik commands to revolt against Abu Jafar: Unauthentic 2:15:08 Al Kamil Fit Tarikh 2:19:53 Ibn Hajar: Hajji leaves off lines again 2:20:51 13. Madhab of the Salaf is not to revolt 2:24:35; Ibn Taymiyah's view 2:25:45 Hadith in Sahih Muslim 2:26:50 Ibn Hazm brings names, but was wrong 2:30:50 14. Destructive effects of Hajji's principles 2:35:00 Ending 2:39:55
Timestamps:
1.
Start 0:00
Disclaimer 0:54
Why the refutation was made 3:30
Who are the Khawarij? 5:09
Practical Reprocusions 6:20
Hajji's errors in basic knowledge 8:57
Hajji's errors in quoting resources 12:04
2.
Beginning of deconstructing Hajji's argument: Hajji's argument 15:03
Hajji's lack of understanding the concept of ijma (consensus) 17:58
Origin of the Khawarij 19:33
Consensus that one will become a khariji by rebelling against Muslim rulers 21:35
3.
Hajji's disclaimer and ambiguity 23:36
Effects of ambigous statements 28:44
4.
"There is no obedience in disobeying Allah" 30:54
Imam Ahmed commands to hate wrongdoing but don't uprise and be patient. 35:24
Rights of muslim who is opressed 39:09
5.
Enjoining good and stopping evil. 40:45
Advise the leader by his hand privately 42:43
Scholars reconciling the two hadiths 44:56
Ibn Abbas and Said Ibn Jubair on muslim rulers 46:30
Being patient vs legatimizing 48:55
6.
Dealing with oppressors 51:10
Hajji says common view salaf held was uprising against muslim rulers was allowed 53:40
7.
Hajji's claim deconstructed 57:16
Shaybani refutes Hajji 59:00
Imam Ahmed refutes Hajji 1:01:05
Imam Ibn Mudhir refutes Hajji 1:02:23
Imam Al Baghawi refutes Hajji 1:02:43
Ibn Mullaqin refutes Hajji 1:03:48
Others who refuted him 1:04:10
8.
Salaf "revolting" against Hajaj 1:06:10
The response 1:10:13;
Ibn Taymiyah's view 1:11:50
9.
Deconstructing Hajji's distortion in the examples he gives 1:15:05;
Husain 1:16:05
Abdullah In Zubair 1:23:15
People of Iraq revolting 1:23:57
10.
"Imam Nawawi was lenient in transmitting consensus" 1:24:43
This principle that the death of a person doesn't mean his view died with him: deconstructed 1:25:25
Ijtihad 1:32:30
11.
Hajji's hypocrisy and deception in leaving out lines and paragraphs exposed 1:34:25;
Hajji changing the meaning of a word 1:41:08
Hajji's distortion of Tafsir Al Qurtubi 1:48:10
Ibn Shaybah 1:54:17
Hajji's inconsistency 1:54:42
Back to Ibn Shaybah 1:58:56
Bidaya Wan Nihaya 2:02:54
Ahkamul Quran 2:05:04
Ayyub As Sikhtiyani 2:11:58
Bidaya Wan Nihaya 2:12:46
Tarikh At Tabari 2:14:14
12.
Imam Malik commands to revolt against Abu Jafar: Unauthentic 2:15:08
Al Kamil Fit Tarikh 2:19:53
Ibn Hajar: Hajji leaves off lines again 2:20:51
13.
Madhab of the Salaf is not to revolt 2:24:35;
Ibn Taymiyah's view 2:25:45
Hadith in Sahih Muslim 2:26:50
Ibn Hazm brings names, but was wrong 2:30:50
14.
Destructive effects of Hajji's principles 2:35:00
Ending 2:39:55
Ibn Umar reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said:
السَّمْعُ وَالطَّاعَةُ عَلَى الْمَرْءِ الْمُسْلِمِ فِيمَا أَحَبَّ وَكَرِهَ مَا لَمْ يُؤْمَرْ بِمَعْصِيَةٍ فَإِذَا أُمِرَ بِمَعْصِيَةٍ فَلَا سَمْعَ وَلَا طَاعَةَ
Listening to and obeying the leader is an obligation upon a Muslim, whether he likes it or dislikes it, as long as he is not commanded to disobey Allah. If he is commanded to disobey, then there is no listening or obedience.
Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 2796, Grade: Muttafaqun Alayhi
21:00
If speaking against a Muslim ruler renders you khariji what about the hadith:
"The best fighting (jihad) in the path of Allah is (to speak) a word of justice to an oppressive ruler." [Abu Dawud 4344]
I've never seen soo much fitnah regarding opinions and different groups who claimed to be upon the salaf in the UK. There are too many people who claim they are upon the way of the salaf but are against each other?! I think a big clarification is needed as many laymen like me are confused at the situation. Allahu alam.
BarakAllah Feek Imran. No insults, no jokes, no arrogance, just clear cut evidence. May Allah keep granting you knowledge and strength to preserve our deen the way it should be.
Hudhaifa reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:
لَا تَكُونُوا إِمَّعَةً تَقُولُونَ إِنْ أَحْسَنَ النَّاسُ أَحْسَنَّا وَإِنْ ظَلَمُوا ظَلَمْنَا وَلَكِنْ وَطِّنُوا أَنْفُسَكُمْ إِنْ أَحْسَنَ النَّاسُ أَنْ تُحْسِنُوا وَإِنْ أَسَاءُوا فَلَا تَظْلِمُوا
Do not let yourselves become blind followers, saying that if the people are good then we will be good, and if they are unjust then we will be unjust. Rather, make up your own minds. If the people are good then be good, but if they are evil then do not be unjust.
Source: Sunan At-Tirmidhi 2007, Grade: Hasan
It's easy for him to talk about rebelling sitting on a comfartable couch in the UK.
Aisha reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “O Allah, whoever is given charge over my nation and he is harsh with them, then be harsh with him. Whoever is given charge over my nation and he is gentle with them, then be gentle with him.”
how is shamsi a hizb can you explain it??
Looool 2 hours 40 minutes you know, I’m watching this tomorrow bi’ithnillaahi ta3alaa.
Allaah bless you akhī imraan.
Bare long eeh
How deceiving some people are may Allah guide us all.
Btw Shamsi has put out his response video now too and he's done very very well too 👌🏾
Have you got a link
This Hajji guy wants to rebel against the Muslim leaders from the comfort of his own home a thousand miles away. Can he not see the effects of rebelling in the arab countries. Just look at how many innocent people have died, homes and land destroyed. It speaks for itself.
So Muslims are meant to live oppressed and do nothing? Don't get it
Exactly , it's hypocrisy
2:35:15 onwards, you should listen to how Hajji responds to the after effects of rebelling, as if he is saying 'get over it' like it's nothing.
@@blist3244 Yes, that's what the Prophet said
@@blist3244 keep sabar and make du'a, but when a leader openly asks you to disobey almighty ALLAH SWT then one should disobey the leader who asks him do such, and other than that just know these tyrants will face ALLAH SWT one day, and I end with a du'a
hasbunallahu wa ni'mal wakeel
(sufficient for us is ALLAH,and he is the best disposer of affairs)
Make a video of leaders / rulers that rule by man made laws /legislate and not rule by sharia
Indepth like you made this one
Anas ibn Malik reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:
اتَّقُوا دَعْوَةَ الْمَظْلُومِ وَإِنْ كَانَ كَافِرًا فَإِنَّهُ لَيْسَ دُونَهَا حِجَابٌ
Beware of the supplication of the oppressed, even if he is an unbeliever, for there is no screen between it and Allah.
Source: Musnad Ahmad 12140, Grade: Sahih
The video was uploaded minutes ago and there are already 8 dislikes. The truth doesn't matter I guess
Lol do you are connecting truth to individuals and yet complaining lol
And you’ve watched the full video within minutes?
Brother imran from what i have seen from shamsi he seems like a sincere man thats following اهل السنة والجماعة and for english veirs who watch islamic vids i always advise them to watch you shamsi and abu taymiyah cause i beleive ur all upon guidance inshallah.. so please explain in detail what the situation is جزاك الله خير
Edit: i have not seen shamsi say publically anything that goes against the sunnah of the prophet (to my knowledge) and he always refers to the quran and authentic hadith and mentions the scholars of the salaf so this is surprising... and so far from what ive heard from ur refutation u both r starting in the same way saying that this is a مسالة متعلقة بالعقيدة
ارجو التوضيح يا اخ عمران لاني لم ارى شي من شمسي يوضح انه ليس على هدى في عقيدته وشكرا
S B yea same, because I see shamsi calling to the sunnah, I still take knowledge for sure from him 💯
Dont waste your time on these things akhi. Learn from MAJORN scholars and stick to Quran and sunnah. May Allah guide us
It's mainly the group he is associated to. Spubs that he always references in the park on all of his books. They are a hizb (a sect/group) that is based upon only their sheikhs.
That's why you hear him only quote a handful of students of knowledge; Abu Khadijah, Abu Iyad, and some others in UK. And to them everyone else is misguided or 'unknown'.
They refute people by taking their statements out of context like what they did to Imrans teacher, Ustad Abdulrahman Hasan.
That's why it is quite impossible to reconcile with them.
S B I’m like you. I like both. We can take good and benefit from both these brothers upon the Sunnah. The main problem between them rises from when The people Shamsi takes from and advocated attacked Imrans teacher Ustadh AbdulRahman Hassan. People in Imrans camp and people that aren’t really SPUBS favourite don’t like the fact that SPUbs is like a hizb. They create this you vs Us. We are right you are wrong mentality. If you disagree with them or don’t take from them or make the slightest mistake, you are not upon the Manhaj according to them. They refute everyone and everything with the harshest of ways.
S B he follows sheikh rabee al madkhali and those that follow him are a type of hizb
So now hajji will respond to you and shamsi will too.. then hajji will respond to you and so will shamsi too.. and it goes on.. .... ... and ‘youtube’ loves it.. will more goodness comes from it? I don’t know.. but it’s Ramadan let’s make the most of it.. love to everyone..
Why did Imran get involved anyways begging for attention Hajji and Shamsi will go at it and Hajji the goat bearded Birmingham numpty will get owned.
Allahumma barik! Love from Indonesia brother
Well this is gonna cause a lot of controversy. May Allah bless you for all your work
Also First
Ikhwanis and kharijis have turned on the notifications and are disliking already!🤣
Anyway, may Allah bless you!
What does it mean ikhwani? I've read it many times but I do not get its meaning.
Now wait Shamsi to release a video against you as well, since you've mentioned him at the beginning.
Imran Wallahi I love you for Allahs sake. From your brother Adil al Yemeni from Leicester أسأل الله العظيم رب العرش الكريم أن يطول عمرك ويحفظك
جزاك الله خيرا
واضح, اللهم بارك
Ikhwa wa akhawāt, please just realise how much was dismantled in this video alone. The position of Ahlus-Sunnah is clear on this issue. I ask Allāh subhānahu-wa-ta’āla to increase us in sincerity, Āmeen.
It is not for the believers to go forth in battle all at once. For there should separate from every division of them a group to obtain understanding in the religion and to warn their people when they return to them that they might be cautious.
Surat At-Tawba 9:122
Umar Ibn khattab do not look at the one who recites the quran with a beautiful voice, look at those who act upon it
LET THE SALAFYYA REIGN SUPREME! I love you, and Br Shamsi for the sake of Allah (SWT). Thank you for posting this big bro.
Wallaahi, I don't see the point of disagreement with Dawaahman and Shamsi, they basically call to the same thing. May Allaah rectify our affairs
Nice I was waiting for this
Salam, I have a question about the person you mentioned at the prophet SAW time that was the founder of the khawaarij. You said that because he said that the prophet was unjust the prophet said he's from the khawaarij. Does that prove that if you go against the ruler completely you are a khawaarij or if you are going against a ruler who is just and calling them unjust/oppressive etc make you a khawaarij. Because my issue is the prophet was a just man so calling him unjust when he is just would bring about a big issue of slander etc right? But what if the leader was unjust and someone was just saying outloud the attributes that everybody already knows the leader has? I.e if they were oppressive to women or something. Timestamp was around 21:35. Jzk
Hope you understand my question
So how do you know the prophet was saying he's from the leader of the khawaarij not because he went against a leader but he went against a just leader? This is basically my point @dawah man
islamqa.info/en/answers/197919/dhul-khuwaysirah-at-tameemi-was-a-hypocrite
islamqa.info/en/answers/191140/dhuth-thudayyah
The biggest problem with all these refutations is it's still not dealing with the issue. Honestly I'm only 20mins in but heard all these arguments for yrs. Rebelling or fighting or jihad these need to defined.
Muslim leaders this also needs to be defined.
What happened in the establishment of the modern Arab/Muslim states needs to be defined.
Unless those points above are dealt with it's all gonna be tit for tat.
Ziyad bin Kusaib Al-Adawi said: "I was with Abu Bakrah under the Minbar of Ibn Amir while he was giving a Khutbah wearing a fine garment. Abu Bilal said: "Look at our Amir wearing clothes of wickedness!' So Abu Bakrah said: "Be quiet! I heard the Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وسلم saying: *"Whoever insults Allah’s Rulers on the earth, Allah disgraces him.''* (Hasan)
Tirmidhi 2224
So basically you don't support shamsi because he calls to salafiya openly and whoever doesn't accept he throws them off please explain
I have not seen a refutation video from Dawah man in a while...
You have now
Shukkar Allah for bringing this brother in our life’s. to come with the honest truth. The flag of Islam flies strong when attached to a strong pole straight and upright like the imaan of this brother. May Allah almighty reward him and keep him safe Ameen
Finally was waiting for this
May Allah increase you in knowledge akhi
Jazak Allahu Khairan for Destroying The Doubts Raised By This Deceptive Individual (Bro Hajji) Which he is Upon Khawarij Ideology
This video would have been better done after Ramadan because this is gonna cause a lot distraction among the muslim in the uk. Instead of spending their days reciting Qur’an and doing dhikr they will be discussing this. Allah knows best
Even after. Stick to Quran and sunnah simple and major scholars.. focus on prayer and dont waste time on these things......
MashaAllah, We are living in the golden age of Imran Dawah man. Such a wonderful video dissecting every single thing in detail.
Would like to hear Hajjis response, hopefully, he changes his view and retracts.
2 hours and 40 min long, I never knew Dawah Man does movies :D
Totally agree . Perfect 👍👌 grammar is very important. Thanks to brother for elaborating . May Allah giude us all . "The disease that knowledge brings is arrogance, and the disease that worship brings is showing off" ~ Ibn Taymiyyah
Shamsi will definately respond to dawah man, subhanallah... May Allah help us all..
Just Pray clothing exactly! This is nothing but a distraction in Ramadan. He should have done this after Ramadan because this will be all people will talk about instead of reciting Qur’an and doing dhikr
@@AllahURabBI19 no its not a distraction? you should make a scehdule that includes all your worship then have some 'free time' for learning about your deen through these videos. that is a worship too.
Quick question what if the ruler is not Muslim though?
saw the dislikes, knew it was a juicy video. love you bro!
what about a non muslim ruler like assad for eg
Alhamdulillah may Allah reward you with your knowledge brother! !!
This other guy 😑 You can't spead knowledge if your not 100% as some people will follow thinking they are right subhanallah Allah guide us all may Allah guide him ameen.
Your Mufti (Muhammad Muneer) says Rebellion (against the ruler) is a fiqh issue and calls people who believe it's an Aqeedah issue 'ignorant.'
Ibn Taymiyyah said:
جِهَادُ النَّفْسِ وَالْهَوَى أَصْلُ جِهَادِ الْكُفَّارِ وَالْمُنَافِقِينَ فَإِنَّهُ لَا يَقْدِرُ عَلَى جِهَادِهِمْ حَتَّى يُجَاهِدَ نَفْسَهُ وَهَوَاهُ أَوَّلًا حَتَّى يَخْرُجَ إلَيْهِمْ
Jihad of the soul against desire is the foundation of jihad against unbelievers and hypocrites, for a Muslim cannot wage jihad against them unless he has first waged jihad against his soul and desires before he goes out against them.
Source: Rawdat Al-Muhibeen 1/478
Its peak cos I can't watch this till after exams are done. Opportunity cost in watching this over revising is too great!
Same :(
long time no seen brother imran may allah reward you jannah
I think this is a issue that we all should be silent about and we should leave it to the scholars.. Allah knows best
Just ask one important question; should we rebel against someone like Sisi or Saddam Hussein or the other dictators who has been there and some still there?
That’s the issue with these people. Imran no offence I have followed you for the past 5-6-7 years, but these things frustrate me. How can you say to not rebel against a leader like al saud who works with the enermy of Allah and jail and kill Muslims? How deluded does someone has to be? Btw I didn’t watch the full video but my issue is you defending the argument that we shouldn’t rebel against people who oppress, jail and kill Muslims. That goes against any sane persons mind!
I feel people disliked this vedio before seeing it because my beloved brother Imran people think you shouldnt speak about such deep hard topics. You should leave it to your teacher ustad AbdulRahman which is more knowledgeable. Even doh your points could be valid why not just ask you teacher to make a veido on your channel ?
SubhanAllaah 1:37:29
May Allaah bless brother Imran & the team aameen.
135:00 Man got exposed #peak
Can someone explain in plain English what's the two opposing sides are saying?
Hajji- whilst sitting on his comfortable sofa, wants people rebel against Muslim leaders
Hajji evidence- doesn’t exist, instead he is, using Hadiths to justify his claims
In a nutshell he lies
Shamsi- was trying tell him you can’t rebel
Dawah man- in a nutshell broke down all the lies hajji mentions
I GUESS HAJJI WAS THE ONE BEING THE NAUGHTY ONE ALL THIS TIME! THE TRUTH IS STRONG AND WILL ALWAYS STAND STRONG FROM THE FALSEHOOD...ALHAMDULIAH
The brothers at Salafi Publications have sought knowledge oversees with the mashaikh that are known . Where have you studied again?
Saif Ustadh Abdirahman hassan who’s a student of sheikh saleh al fawzan and many other scholars
Abu Iyyad PHD in Medicine
Abu Khadijah PHD in English Language.
Are you sure about that?
That's what they tell you.
They also refute and ex communicate people whi studied with the scholars.
Shaykh Tahir Wyatt has a PHD from medina. And was the first American to teach in the prophets blessed masjid (pbuh). They still refute him. So find another reason for defending them.
Saif didn’t Bilal Davis get kicked out of Madinah uni 3 times??
S-o basically Hajji Saab method is khawarij But not by ideology and theolgy
Whos more in for danger
Can you have a sufi ideology and theology yet a have a khawriji methodology (murji)
This hajji guy needs to repent
What is Hizb?
Sometimes it’s better being quite, seeking knowledge with scholars instead of refuting brothers that are doing the same wrong as you by speaking while they are not scholars
Staying quiet whilst you have knowledge is worse.
But people need to know their limits and stop where they have no certainty on what they're saying.
Alhamdullilah I'm glad you're not with spubs
If that guy is leading others to do wrong, they should take down his channel.
Yaahafaazak'Allah brother !
Minute 11.03. How do you know his intentions and that he is lying ?? Seriously?
Salam
Someone be a g & do *time stamps* categorising the video systematically, safe
Is this upontruth by any chance
Unknown Akh maybe, who's askin 😂
Allah says Dont split yourself into sects
Asalaamualaikum. In order to be just I have to mention specifically on the topic of the mistakes in hajji's speech it is unfair that you are insistent on him pronouncing things incorrectly. His mic is not as clear as yours as is evident from the video and even in the specific examples you give of his mistakes all that can be said is that it his speech is not clear and so he needs to be more precise. Other than that, may Allah reward you for clarifying the shubuhaat from his videos.
A he doesn’t know arabic he should keep his tongue in his mouth
He can’t even read the title of the book and he wants to speak about deen
اللهم بارك عليك يا عمران
Wallahi I knew one of these bros gonna go at each other
You act like a rude boy with yr explanation but may Allah reward you ... this time alhamdulillah
Dawah man just a reminder that haaji doesnt make takfir on major sins
Ok and whats ur point... if u watched the video u would know that a khariji doesnt need to have that veiw to be labled so...
Akhi, watch the video dawah man delt with that
The first Khawarij didn't make takfir one the one doing sins that was a later development.So that is not a reason some one is not khariji even Isis doesn't make takfir on the ones who fornicates,drinks alcohol etc
That was answered in the beginning of the video.
The incident of that man who said to the prophet “ﷺ” BE JUST was the father of khawarism.
Go watch shamsis video he clarified all the types of khawarij.
Dawahmanreturns with a BANG lol
And if your going to pick on hes arabic ive allready picked up alot of mistakes from imrans arabic
That's why you typed 1. his as hes 2. Already as Allready..
Salam brother hajji makes a lot more sense than you do as please ibn taymiyah ra was not even a tabi so please stop taking him that high. You lot need to know that tyrant leader is a tyrant khalas
So 2sheikhs With High Knowledge are calling him a KhaAriji. But only bro Hajji Refuse. Lol
Bring on abu khadeejah
People who want the truth and are upright non hizbiyyah will listen to both and take down notes and compare - and not let Imran put words or ideas that Hajji himself did not say or intend.
This is like wrestling Shamsi vs Hajji vs Dawahman.
just watched a bit but gone from intro to no affiliation to either shamsi or bro hajji to 'us' and them
Imran Mansur lets try and put our energy on uniting brothers. Lets not be divided especially in these times. Would you openly criticize the tyrannical ruler?.....then why would you openly criticize your brother?
The reason of not to mix truth with falsehood
Watch the full video and you'll understand inshallah
H Bee u have a dangerous way of thinking, uniting upon what? Falsehood?
Personally bro I think this comes down to that he’s a ‘deobandi’ and your a ‘salafi’.. to be honest I haven’t got over 2 hours to watch this but Insha’Allah everything is clarified clearly and people can understand for themselves but Iv come to realise most people just stick to who they ‘like’ most and follow they can’t see past that..
SoubhanAllaah they don't have the best understanding ma Sha Allaah you do though right may Allaah protect us from ujib self astonishment
Lol my brain is too small to fit these things into ma mind
jazzakallahukhayran imran you done a good job cleaning up the mess shamsi caused for the people of sunnah.
Making videos like isn’t ibadah. Spend your time in ramadaan wisely. You love name and Shame May Allah forgive you
Refuting falsehood and clarifying shubuhaat is from the greatest of good deeds, what are you on about lol
😂
Y'all jokes
Ok will u marry meh!
Timestamps:
1.
Start 0:00
Disclaimer 0:54
Why the refutation was made 3:30
Who are the Khawarij? 5:09
Practical Reprocusions 6:20
Hajji's errors in basic knowledge 8:57
Hajji's errors in quoting resources 12:04
2.
Beginning of deconstructing Hajji's argument: Hajji's argument 15:03
Hajji's lack of understanding the concept of ijma (consensus) 17:58
Origin of the Khawarij 19:33
Consensus that one will become a khariji by rebelling against Muslim rulers 21:35
3.
Hajji's disclaimer and ambiguity 23:36
Effects of ambigous statements 28:44
4.
"There is no obedience in disobeying Allah" 30:54
Imam Ahmed commands to hate wrongdoing but don't uprise and be patient. 35:24
Rights of muslim who is opressed 39:09
5.
Enjoining good and stopping evil. 40:45
Advise the leader by his hand privately 42:43
Scholars reconciling the two hadiths 44:56
Ibn Abbas and Said Ibn Jubair on muslim rulers 46:30
Being patient vs legatimizing 48:55
6.
Dealing with oppressors 51:10
Hajji says common view salaf held was uprising against muslim rulers was allowed 53:40
7.
Hajji's claim deconstructed 57:16
Shaybani refutes Hajji 59:00
Imam Ahmed refutes Hajji 1:01:05
Imam Ibn Mudhir refutes Hajji 1:02:23
Imam Al Baghawi refutes Hajji 1:02:43
Ibn Mullaqin refutes Hajji 1:03:48
Others who refuted him 1:04:10
8.
Salaf "revolting" against Hajaj 1:06:10
The response 1:10:13;
Ibn Taymiyah's view 1:11:50
9.
Deconstructing Hajji's distortion in the examples he gives 1:15:05;
Husain 1:16:05
Abdullah In Zubair 1:23:15
People of Iraq revolting 1:23:57
10.
"Imam Nawawi was lenient in transmitting consensus" 1:24:43
This principle that the death of a person doesn't mean his view died with him: deconstructed 1:25:25
Ijtihad 1:32:30
11.
Hajji's hypocrisy and deception in leaving out lines and paragraphs exposed 1:34:25;
Hajji changing the meaning of a word 1:41:08
Hajji's distortion of Tafsir Al Qurtubi 1:48:10
Ibn Shaybah 1:54:17
Hajji's inconsistency 1:54:42
Back to Ibn Shaybah 1:58:56
Bidaya Wan Nihaya 2:02:54
Ahkamul Quran 2:05:04
Ayyub As Sikhtiyani 2:11:58
Bidaya Wan Nihaya 2:12:46
Tarikh At Tabari 2:14:14
12.
Imam Malik commands to revolt against Abu Jafar: Unauthentic 2:15:08
Al Kamil Fit Tarikh 2:19:53
Ibn Hajar: Hajji leaves off lines again 2:20:51
13.
Madhab of the Salaf is not to revolt 2:24:35;
Ibn Taymiyah's view 2:25:45
Hadith in Sahih Muslim 2:26:50
Ibn Hazm brings names, but was wrong 2:30:50
14.
Destructive effects of Hajji's principles 2:35:00
Ending 2:39:55
Wow Jazak Allah khair for this
JazakAllahu khair
barakAllahu feek, a few typos in the time stamps to correct:
#1 after 11
#2 after 12
#3 after point 13
Salafi Salafi thank you
You're sick