Xbox And Sony Cannot Give Us A Straight Answer
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- Опубліковано 5 чер 2024
- Sony and Microsoft have both found themselves facing scrutiny; neither had a good response.
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You have a team and insights, connections. It would be interesting to see a video on the topic of how much did it cost to run Arkane over the years since development of Dishonored began. Dishonored sales were about 9million with the sequel around 3. Add whatever Prey cost to develop in that period too. A 100-150 people studio, how much would that cost to run and support and did the sales of the games in the last 10-15 years really made them self-sustainable? Then add on top the huge blunder that Redfall was and how it was pure loss.
Fresh change: Helldivers 2 and Ghost of Tsushima went from not having price and purchase button a day ago to no longer having store page in non-PSN regions. They also no longer appear in Steam search.
i hate our economy being built/focused only on growth, its inherently prone to failing
Facts. If you expect to make more profit than last year , every single year you will eventually “fail”
It's almost like ever expanding markets aren't actually a real thing. Who knew?
... yet still far far to many people buy stuff from companys that have been known to be shitty and delivering shit.
Games are not an essential goods and there is also enough double A and indie studios producing games than are objectively just better than today Triple A games.
Guess all the high budged of triple a goes into marketing instead of the game itself ...
"Triple A" has become a warning sign for bad quality .... dont get fooled
They is no exuse.
Vote with your walltet ... everything else is embarassing hypocrisy
Capitalism moment
@@jordanconrad3261Microsoft wants to grow they should stop selling Steam Decks by removing ads and AI in Windows 11 which only grows Valve by gamers buying Steam Decks instead of Windows license cause gamers hate AI that we don't use and ads on our paid not free product. and they won't have to shutdown more gaming studios.
In other words, "Our executives were worried their bonus' wouldnt be as big this year. So we laid off several studios, making the worsening job market, and economy, worse! AIN'T OUR EXECUTIVES JUST AMAZING?!"
It's like deja'vu all over again... Sooner or later, something's gonna break.
if it was that easy... You have 100 studios, 75 are obedients and follow instructions : huge profit, copy paste game each years, nobody have talents... regular business. And then you have few of them that experiments and do things differently... That's a bother... Some produce good results... That's a crisis... No man, no problems...
A tip, read the statement and she think exacly the opposite...
Hey, let’s be fair. Some of that money is going to an AI incubator in an American swing state, which will almost certainly not result in anything approaching adequate job growth. Not all of it is going to the C suite. 😂
This is why we’ll pirate games from now on. Get 10 million people playing a new pirated game, that’ll hurt.
It's not just a greedy move. It's a moronic move. It's like they have no idea how to run a business at all. A short term drug dealer screws people out of product. A smart long term dealer builds trust and goodwill. Even kids in the street understand how to run a business better than any CEO out there. Being paid for a skill set? Hah! They fail to prove anything.
That Microsoft were either unable to or couldn’t be bothered to come up with a PR line for the studio closures speaks volumes.
They laid off the PR Department to make sure their executives got their yearly yacht.
This is what they should have said.. We shut down Tango because they're a Japanese studio that makes Japanese styled games that don't resonate with Japanese players & never sell in their domestic market! You know who else got shut down for exactly that.... Japan Studio & London studio by PlayStation. Ghostwire tokyo did nothing on Gamepas, PC & playstation and lost money, and they followed that up with Hi-fi rush which also did nothing on Gampass, Steam & Playstation and lost money. That is on top of The evil within 1 & 2 losing money. Studios don't get to go a decade losing money without consequences.
Because this isn't Xbox's decision, this is MS. They were undermined and blindsided.
@@budala1969 Turns out Azure has howitzers and all divisions of Windows are pointing guns at each other. Xbox 1 was a really, really, bad idea and this Xbox Mobile isn't going to convert gamers over it. Leadership at Microsoft needs to change or it's gaming division is done.
@@budala1969 They were not undermined nor blindsided, Microsoft and other big companies have done that for years, buy smaller companies, and close them so the competition doesn't have it, there is no more to it, it's a mentality of "better gone than in my competitors home", it's nothing new, and it's not going to change, the fact that every time Microsoft buys a small company everyone that cares about it just leaves should tell you all enough about it, everyone knows what happens when a company like Microsoft buys you, and it's game over.
Sounds like everyone where a PSN account is unavailable should go ahead and pirate Sony games.
I say everyone should pirate their games
@@sheepfly Gotta leave some room for plausible deniability here mate.
You think they arent already?
@@sheepfly huh? I'm a game developer- if EVERYONE pirated, no one would be able to make games anymore. The market only works because only a small slice of people pirate them and even some who do end up going and buying them afterward if they like it. I'm not anti-piracy but saying everyone should pirate their games is a wild take? Do you want more (justified, this time, unlike the current reality where execs are just writing them off for taxes) layoffs?
@@Orionhart If you don’t want people to pirate your game then be someone people want to suppot. A company like Sony has lost all respect of the general public and as such nobody particularly cares what happens to them except the people who own a PS5, which has no games in the first place.
how sony is going to justify to its investors that 180 countries not having access to their product is a positive business move...is a moment id love to be a fly on the wall
it's not a positive. It's the bad position they're starting from.
"It's a pain in the ass to go sell physical consoles in that country" would have actually made sense when it was that. Shift to PC and the balance changes, but they are not so quick to react that they can just open up PSN to everyone immediately.
Probably that a lot of those 180 countries aren't going to be huge game markets. Like, say, Bhutan.
...That being said, the Baltics are hardly backwaters.
I’d say china isn’t a small market
@@basedsneedclave175 You caught the part where I said 'a lot of those', and how I noted the Baltics aren't backwaters. That logic also covers China.
@@krspaceT1 You still not understand the problem, they restrict A PC GAME on those countries at the same time with the logic that console market is not huge there?
That why is dumb to think that a PC game need a PSN account.
The lack of growth seems to be like, "You're not playing the games we want you to play."
Seeing as you have had TV shows cancelled because they got the wrong type of fans and they wouldn't pivot to make merchandise for them (something Hasbro's surprisingly not guilty of, see the Bronies), its a likely problem.
Literally this.
Micro transactions & other scummy sh!z is there wet dream.
If it ain't that, getting it gone is clearly all they think about rn.
its the toxic exec attitude; there are no consumers or customers, who you have to respect and create product thats good for. there are only faceless prey and resources, not people, who you must milk for every cent they have rapaciously. and none of them stop to think people only get one paypacket a month, and EVERY corporation thinks they can take the maximum from that without realising it has to be split multiple times for each of them first. thats unsustainable. for example: water, electric, gas companies each think they can raise their bills indefinitely, by as much as the payrise that customer got that year - only that customer may well have gotten 15 extra per week but it has to be split 3 ways to the utilities who each raised their bills by 15 to take that money, and they only get 5 of it. the customer has to cut spending elsewhere to pay an extra 30 in bills and eventually some other business closes because this happens with everyone and they all decided not to go out at night to restaurants
this then spirals if left unchecked, and you get a spreading collapse of sectors of the economy and job losses, undermining confidence in companies who dont replace staff who leave just in case a recession happens and all this greed to boost exec pay and keep shareholders happy CAUSES the recession.
I mean at that point it should just kinda be their downfall. the bigwigs of microsoft can try screw over the public if they want for a quick buck but eventually they'll just lose all trust and have to rely on being too big to fail.
To be un/fair (same with films and TV) they just repeating the same game / story over and over again with little gain to use as consumers
I remember when I was a kid thinking that games were growing and getting better all the time. I used to imagine how far they can go and what amazing stuff will be made into games. Little did I know at the time that the business was going to get too big, and money would ultimately become so much more important than making better games.
Control, not money.
money is not more important bad take
If anyone thinks money is more important than time or people, they might be a sociopath.
They were.......untill they didn't for the most part, at least we have Nintendo despite there.....flaws, and the indie scene is just all kinds of awesome!
@@gamerbeast3616 @cyxceven you both likely misunderstood what @alabonefy meant. I took his comment as meaning "[within the industry] money would ultimately become so much more important [to those in leadership positions] than [the craft of] making better games."
I forget where it came from, but “killing the golden goose to have a nice dinner” comes to mind.
Martin O'Donnel, worked in the incredible music for Halo and is both very talented an very cool. He had an interview with a youtuber called Noodle and that phrase comes up. It sheds a lot of light on the mindset of the cooperate higher ups, because when he said that to one of them, the guy responded along the lines of "sometimes there's nothing better than a good foie gras."
I made a comment similar to that, but I think it's just the fable of "The Golden Goose" with the exception of the person being punished not learning their lesson in the end.
It hard for these mega-corpses to figure out what not to do when they know where to find more Golden Geese and have the money to buy them...
I'm working in the big company corporate space for the first time in my life, and this attitude is prevalent as well as astounding incompetence. I'm genuinely amazed any of these big companies ever manage to be majorly profitable, so many right hands not talking to the left hand and middle managers who only know how to take direct orders and nothing else
Xbox and PlayStation finally making hit titles:
Also Xbox and PlayStation:
"SO HOW ABOUT WE JUST F**KING NUKE OURSELVES?!"
Nobody ever said rich executives in charge of large companies were smart lol they just have a lot of money
@@zztzgza This seems like someone make a decision while looking at a spreadsheet without taking anything other than math into consideration. Somebody made it look like a good idea in Excel and the rest of the execs just rolled with it.
@@wesleytoone9479This so much this. Solutions are more than what can be captured in a simple spreadsheet.
Sony imitating a Helldiver much too accurately...
"We are committed to ensure the stability of the business as a goal, and we put a great amount of effort into deciding to eat the golden egg goose. Selling the goose as parts & leasing the egg out has proven more sustainable. We are confident that there are more golden egg geese and in the long run, maintaining the business around egg ownership is more sustainable than maintaining geese."
Microsoft: Inept corporate incompetence.
Sony: Ancient conservative incompetence.
Love to see it. 🤦🏼♂
I'll still be buying the games of one of those, because they at least are releasing good games (I'm obviously speaking about Sony, just in case someone doubted it), I've played almost all Sony exclusives they released since PS5, except Returnal, and maybe some other I can't recall now, and all of them, have been without a doubt, very good games, and all of them diserve to be in a top 10 of best games of the past decade, the only games I would maybe put higher than them, are, The Witcher 3, Cyberpunk 2077, and of course, Elden Ring, so in my opinion, even if Sony might be doing some shit, I will still buy the games, because they're good, no matter how bad the company is.
Yes, I know I didn't name, for example Baldur's Gate 3, I'm just not a fan of that genre, didn't appeal to me one bit, so I just can't rank that game, will give it the honorary mention because so many people love it, and I know people will hate that I didn't put the game in the list xD
Also maybe…. Just strike at this point… you aren’t save if you succeed and you aren’t safe if you fail…
The kind of person who works in the games industry is either too afraid to go on strike or is ideologically opposed to organized labor
@@tehbeernerd Yeah, there’s a fair amount of tech bros in tech. I’d hope that game developers would be more artistically inclined and therefore more pro labor, but idk.
Personally, I just think that game developers are either too privileged to care or they’re scared of being blackballed from the industry.
The reason is money, it always is. HiFi Rush blew expectations in every metric, except: money. The variety of factors to maybe close a studio do not include and are overwritten in whole by: money.
the sales for hi-fi rush might be great, for a shadowdrop. but Microsoft wants to please their investors at all times. not with a 5 or 10 year plan
Then it's doubly idiotic. Because the game was released without promotion or fanfare. It was literally released at the same time it was announced. If anything as a small shadow dropped side project, it should've blown the money metric out of the water. Because the expectation was zero given the effort MS put into promoting it.
@@FireFr0ggy Let's be real adding an advertisement budget to that game would've cost more money hence more losses from the company's eyes.
Capital. They did not grow capital for xbox
The story makes fun of big corporations chasing money and could have been personally offensive to the shareholders.
microsoft could have easily scraped by with its decision without tango in the mix. that move really put their hypocrisy in the spotlight.
My tinfoil hat theory is that Microsoft decided to close down Tango over a year ago, anticipating HiFi Rush wasn't going to move the needle in any way, but despite the game being a surprise success and garnered high praise, the plan was already well in the works to close the studio.
No proof, it's just how it all feels to me.
At least it's high quality alfoil.
If you want a copy of my government issued ID to play your game, I'll be having a copy of yours too - whether you like it or not.
Those are my ToS.
You need to become incorporated to enforce that
@@zztzgza all he needs to do is not give them money, and alot more people need to do the same. Your wallet is the only thing that you can vote with that these companies care about
@@mr_the_hulk_fist9220 If they continue to release good games, I'll buy them as far as they don't do some really bad shit, don't care about them not selling the game in some countries, or them asking for an account, it's nothing new, a lot of companies do that, and no one cared before, if they add high prices, I'll just pay the one that I see worth and not too expensive, after that I will enjoy my game, and be done with it.
I understand wanting to boycott Sony for doing something, but Sony is one of the few companies, that in the past years, didn't disapoint with their releases, their games have all been gold standard, and been in any list of the best games released (any respectable list at least), I'm voting with my wallet, that I want them to keep making those games.
"Both of the big console manufacturers"
Meanwhile Nintendo just dancing in the back.
nintendo hasnt made a console in 7+ yrs. they arent relevant
Fun fact, Nintendo's profits in the Switch era are apparently so high they match the profit of Sony's entire console history.
...yep. Of course because they don't care for the PC you rarely hear that here.
I mean, Nintendo still has their problems, but they are the only main line console that still makes in-house games instead of endlessly eating studios to substitute a lack of creativity.
If there were a console war, Nintendo and Valve are technically the winners right now.
@@markguyton2868 lmfao not even close. what a shill
@@cloudnine5651 Not really shilling, just saying its hard not to see it when Valve and Nintendo are just sitting there while MS and PS are constantly finding more feet to shoot.
I think it would be near impossible to 'spin' 'We need to transition to making shoddy and poorly constructed 'Live Service' games that we can pump out with alarming rapidity.'
The Answers
Xbox: Not only are we dumb by killing talent. But we are going to kill even more studios. So if we speak we die.
PlayStation: We want to push to PC. That means we want to add PS+ to PC. And because we are horrible negotiators we created controversy by forcing the account instead of adding incentives.
And no one was surprised...
Japanese CEOs: As the face of the company, I'll take the hit. I'll cut my pay in half so everyone can still keep their jobs.
American Companies: Your performance is poor this quarter, you're fired. Your performance is amazing this quarter, you're also fired.
Sony and Nintendo, two of the *worst* companies in gaming, are Japanese.
Not even remotely true.
Blind nonsense
@@j.jbinks9669I wouldn’t call Nintendo among the worst. It had an amazing response to poor 3DS sales. However, that was a long time ago and I haven’t really paid attention to their most recent policies.
@@j.jbinks9669Sony is not a Japanese company any more. They moved their HQ to California in 2016 and they shut down their Japanese studios.
Nintendo’s CEO took a pay cut to keep employees on staff.
You’re just objectively wrong.
@@j.jbinks9669 Sony is giving up their Japanese values and going all in on that American capitalist mindset.
Nintendo was a dictator in their early years, but they’re kind of bearable now. It’s more of their legal department everyone despises these days.
Kudos to the interviewer having some balls and pushing I suppose. Need more of that
I'll say it here again. My theory on why Tango was shutdown is due to Xbox expecting Hifi rush to fail and making sure to put that on the books before it released. When it inevitablely became a success their hands were already tied and they couldn't back out of putting down the studio
That is so unbelievably corrupt and scummy and I completely believe it.
Sounds possible. I know that this is a calculus done in the movie industry.
Thanks never thought about that.
More lickely, the success of hi fi was people playing it on Game Pass, and it didn't sold any copies, so at the end of the day, it didn't make even half the money the game should've made, Game Pass is bad for business, and Tango had to pay for that. But, I wouldn't discard your option either. It could also be the typical big company strategy of buying smaller companies to close them, so theit competitors can't get them, Microsoft has done that a lot, they've buried a lot of companies, so it wouldn't be anything new either, we will never know, since I don't think they will ever tell the truth about this.
Never in 10million life times would I ever think. That a FlashGitz skit turns real.
I can never go back to consoles gaming
The switch/deck are pretty good
none cares
I say pc only all other are meh. Nintendo is mixed due to how Anti consumer they can be
@@DaRip74 ye xbox and sony are now 10x worse then nitendo, sony blocked 2 games in 170 counties and they are probably not going to stop and xbox is just dying
@@gamerbeast3616 you care 😂😂😂
I can't believe why gamers aren't able to just go "fuck you, I'm keeping my money"
Keep complaining on one side and giving them money on the other....
If we would have the same reaction to Ghost of tsushima as we had with helldivers 2 (and every game after) they'll change the way they do business....but just mark my words, this game will be a success on PC....
It's because the people who complain never get their voice to the people who buy, which are normally people who aren't aware of industry issues and just see a cool game and buy it.
It's disgusting that a company like xbox can make $18 billion in profit and the executives start acting like the company is burning down and that job cuts, studio closures are what's necessary. Just because investors didn't see that 1 percent growth they will burn down their entire business, it's ridiculous.
I can buy a ps5 in Lithuania... but can't buy ps games via steam. Make it make sense.
I’m from Estonia same seems we are back cccp
Imagine if MS spent just 1/10th of the money that was spent on acquisitions to hire new talent to create multiple new IPs.
Imagine if MS looked at all the executives' salaries and decided to trim the fat there, instead of laying off developers :-)
Does Sony not want to sell their games in those 180 or so other countries?
As for team Xbox, what are they doing? The level of incompetence would make every soviet apparatchik blush.
In the end we love our gaming devices of chouce. It simply pains me to witness such baffling leadership decisions at the highest level of the corporate ladder.
Xbox expanded into 20 new regions in 2023, sitting now on 84 regions.
But since they are all looking at Netflix - Netflix and Steam are both in maximum regions (190+). So, all three console makers are way behind in availability.
@@marciusnhasty Seems like consoles are many years behind in terms of availability. Ultimately seems like they still live in the physical copy age of gaming. Again one thing to note is that in the Baltics (possibly many other PSN restricted regions) all of these consoles are sold already so its insane how customer support literally tells them to pick a different region when its against their TOS and suddenly only when they expand to PC it becomes a problem.
@@jingsterling That's really a good point. I didn't even think about it. It tracks, it's very difficult for me to get a physical copy. No local distribution at all. There was an attempt of it, but it died out more than a decade ago. Meanwhile, consoles themselves are in most electronics shops.
Playstation keeps delivering good games? Which ones? Last I checked, the console was being carried by third-party studios and remasters. Xbox and Playstation are both dropping the ball and have driven so many people away from console gaming
It's like game companies wanna make sure that niche and interesting things don't get put out, so they can continue to feed us the same 4-5 IPs at lower and lower quality.
"psn isn't available in those countries"
Why? Explain what the issue is
Another problem I don't see anyone talk about, Ghost is out and there is still no reviews or gameplay out. They wanted us to preorder completely blind, as not all PC ports are passable.
I know the game is good but that is no excuse.
Nintendo: Sounds like a you problem.
Pretty much.
Public companies do not care about long term health. They only care about the quarter, and possibly the year. So the executives get a huge bonus and the share holders make a quick buck. And then they blame the customers when they start going somewhere else for good games, then start nickle and dimming all loyal customers. This is the corporate loop.
I'm not sure how Capcom managed to avoid the same fate so far, though, despite being a public company. Might be because the CEO is the founder of the company.
The fun part that nobody seems to realize with this. We're weeks out from Sony saying Helldivers 2 wasn't going to require PSN. But it's STILL blocked from sale in all those countries that can't have PSN. Not only is Sony not giving up on that requirement, but they're probably going to take a second crack at putting it on Helldivers.
This is the "Apple" problem. After a while making a "better" product isn't important because that doesn't bring in any more money. Instead you need to increase the marketing and monetization practices, because those do bring more money in. This has a knock-on effect because the people who created the business by, you know, making good stuff don't get promoted and the people who don't make the stuff, the "money people" do. Thus begins the downward spiral as the husk of a company is mined for every bit of coinage that can be found until it eventually collapses under it's own weight.
I swear, if our society dies they should put on our tombstone, "Created to many Business Majors."
What about Nintendo? NoJ might be a tight-run ship but NoA sure as hell isn't. There was that whole incident where a copyright troll from a brand management group hired by Nintendo (to be clear, Peters is still very much a copyright troll, just an official one. Being official doesn't stop one from being a copyright troll, just look at Richard Liebowitz) hit the Garry's Mod workshop, even apparently hitting stuff that wasn't Nintendo's to remove. Vim's Lair was recently also hit bit it's unknown if the troll that hit them is hired by Nintendo as Vimm didn't release the DMCA claim to the public but several games weren't hit, which doesn't match Nintendo's scorched earth MO. No news on this situation has been updated since yesterday.
I think Sony needs to hang it up with being a publisher. They gave it a go and it ain't working out... At least not for PC releases, ffs.
AAA is on its ass, from Microsoft to Sonys consistency of scumbaggery and greed, as well as the rest of the AAA!!
The only way they will stop is a long term boycott, but we know that wont happen because too many lack any impulse control and will still day one and preorder!!
The consistency of this scumbaggery can only be purposely targeted to force a gaming crash!!
I personally think that theyve already sold most of their shares under the radar at their peak price for a hige profit, and the consistency of their actions, which is damaging the share value will eventually tank to the point its so low that they'll buy back the shares at a hugely deflated price, then they'll go back to business as usual seeing the share prices eventually increase again and level out.
We all know they are capable of would pull something like this because investors stand to make such outrageously huge profit and dont care about the staff!!
Never paying full price for a game that was kept out from PC on purpose, for years. I can understand few months, but years?!?!....
I was so looking forward to Ghosts of Tsushima but after the Helldivers 2 fiasco I'm extremely hesitant to purchase it again (preordered and refunded it because of the PSN requirement for Helldivers)
put a turnakay on the pam tree
Sometimes when people are let go or divisions, in this case studios, are shut down the company doesn't want to give an honest answer because they don't want to talk negatively about those people. They also may not want to open themselves up to lawsuits. There are good reasons why a business doesnt want to give a brutally honest answer to questions like this. How would it affect the people let go in these closures if they said the studios were mismanaged or the devs were incompetent? So, it sounds like you want a better concocted PR statement, a better lie in essence, to make more palatable? Also, Activision just announced a new AAA studio...
A real "do you not have phones" moment of all time
Think Xbox is under much more scrutiny and pressure from corporate daddy Microsoft to push growth in a market they're 3rd place in...line must go up!
@Michael, Arkaine Austin was working on a Redfall patch to remove the online requirement so that gamers could play the game forever. The closure also kills the game and the IP.
If Sony does not want your money because of the country you live in, just pirate the game if you want to play it.
You ever have that one friend that was always kinda bad to you, but you never really noticed because they were all you were used too? Suddenly, one day it all clicks, you realized how nasty they've been and ditch them? Then after a while you look to see where they are now and see they've only gotten worse and just felt *_so_* vindicated in your choice to cut ties with them?
That's how I feel every time I hear about console gaming.
Let's not forget the evil within games. Some of my favorite horror survival games
That high five rush seemed really cool, I had never even heard of it until now. :)
They shut down the studios cuz they want to focus 100% on already globally established IP that can be easily drowned in microtransactions and carried by fan made labour/content like Forge in Halo. Anything that cant be easily twisted into a live service microtransaction farm isnt worth supporting to them, hence their disinterest in single player games. They just dont wanna say the quiet part out loud
You know, that Microsoft CEO would make a great president for all of the nonspeak she is able to say. All of that rambling nonsense about commitment and appreciation, never touching any sort of reason for actions. It’s something that needs training, and isn’t easy to continually spit out so many words and say absolutely nothing.
She could beat out Obama, and even possibly the king of nonspeak Biden.
I remember going to blizzcon 2014 as a teen, and just being sucked in to the idea of working for a game company as an artist. In 2020 I started on that goal. I got accepted into a games development program, did that for two years. I ended up changing course, and I am glad I did. This industry is insane, and I feel so bad for those devs for Hi-Fi…
I wonder how much Sony have cost Arrowhead in terms of sales to the restricted areas?
This is by far the best coverage of these two events that I have watched.
Hey Michael, any chance when you are referencing both the US and Europe/UK, you might be able to include the third main vertex of the English speaking triangle, and include us Upside Downers? It would be nice to be able to have some of this in terms I can intrinsically understand without having to do conversions or the like
The cackle that the Sekiro callout pulled out of me. Holy shit lmaoo
Michael said "this isn't Sekiro" LMAO, and this sara bond reading is hilarious
"But it all comes back to our long term commitment to the games we create, the devices we build, the services, and ensuring that we're setting ourselves up to be able to deliver on those promises.”
This should be Xbox's new North Star / mission statement. Absolutely fucking amazing, Sarah.
i live in a country that does get PSN , but the biometric data they want to create an account is nuts, even if i could provide the level of ID they are asking for i really dont think i want to.
i remember what piracy used to be like before steam came around as ol Gabe so famously said its a service problem.
If you cheat on your spouse once, the way you address it is going to matter. But after the 50th time, it all sounds hallow.
I feel sorry for anyone believing their spouse after the 50th time they've been cheated on. And I feel even more sorry for anyone believing anything corporations say. Even more so in the gaming industry.
Satya Nadella is a garbage CEO.
4:13 Bollocks. The sooner the shareholders szeeze, they get nervous and they layoff or close whatever they sneeze at, even if the direction they sneeze in is the wrong direction! 😔 They sneezed in Tango's direction, and look what happened.
I love how she just blurted out some nothing burger.... truly out of touch moment from higher ups
The bit that is not clear in the chart is that is GROWTH...as in how much the company has gotten bigger...that's not a decline, that's not a reduction in player count, that's a reduction in how much they have gotten bigger, which is substantially greater growth than five years ago. Basically "we've made a lot of money but not ALL of the money so we need to ruin lots of lives"
"We needed line go up, and didn't want to lose the studio's IP, which we can leverage in the future to make line go up." Not really difficult to understand.
The people who own these companies just dont understand their customers. Just make good games, dont force people to buy subscriptions and they would do fine, but no they just cant do it
Seems like Sony needs better "customer QA" or maybe they are just ignoring problems found during testing.
I can't believe Sony is so pro-piracy 🤷🏽♀️
When did we started accepting BS answers? Why didn't they call it out during the interview? Why are people afraid of being called "rude" for asking for a real answer?
If I were Sony then right now I'd delay GoT until things were sorted out. As it stands, especially with passionate members of the Helldivers community who were looking forward to this game, there's going to be a lot of day 1 refunds, with the purchase only being made to leave a negative review.
One thing I love about the game industry is the ability to take a studio which has just made itself very valuable by creating a great game, and then using that value as a tax write off when we close it down. I just love that about the game industry.
Yes please, keep doing that and pointing gamers to the way of the indie games.
Did you change mic...? I can hear so much mouth squelching and cannot continue.
I didn’t notice it until I read this. Now I can’t help but pick up the sound.
@@DukeHaza You're welcome. :P
I like how they both make some great games, and then completely nuke it all within days of eachother.
Truly a console moment.
I can only really see 2 reasons for why Sony would restrict so many countries (and keep them restricted, as you said this is ongoing, but if they stay restricted?) from buying GoT and HD2.
1: They are incompetent publishers and forgot to put those restrictions into HD2 for 3 months.
2: They dont want money.
If they wanted money, they would sell their games as globally as they could (and push PSN to more countries/not force account linking). Which they did (sold globally) with HD2, so they clearly can do it.
So what is it? Are they a bad publisher or do they not like money?
The easy solution here is to not accept purchase offers from other companies. if you dont want to hand your fate over to someone else then don't do it. Simple as that.
I wish banks would allow us to control subscriptions directly from their "homepages". Would make it so much easier to control all these "gamepasses" and etc..
Jesus its like every time she talks she just digs her own grave deeper and deeper
Did she even realize what she said? She basically implied that the company can move the goalposts when it comes to determine whether a game was successful or not, thereby granting them grounds to close any studio working under them. If I had an independent game studio I would stay away from being purchased - nay, even get investment from Microsoft.
I never noticed the chart thing in Sarah's non-response, that's just depressingly hilarious, like indirectly saying "well, it was a difficult decision, Phil promised a fourth yacht to Bobby as part of the deal with Activision, we needed to cut some corners". As for Sony, I guess I simply won't be buying Ghost of Sushi then.
I can see legal issues with what Sony is doing here, namely the EU single market. Blocking someone in the Baltics from buying a game available in Germany simply does not fly. You may not offer localized service but but that does not mean you are allowed to bar people from buying. Would be the same as denying people from certain states in the US to buy something.
Allow me to introduce you to: pet regulations and gun laws. Some make sense( You shouldn't breed anacondas in Florida, they WILL thrive if they escape) and some make no sense at all( It is legal to own a king cobra with no training or licensing in Michigan). Last I checked, West Virginia banned semi-auto pistols with a magazine capacity greater than 6.
@@atbauchat Legal to own certain things is different though, it's about denying people from buying something legal in both places because they are from a different state / country.
I don't think it's accurate to say 200 countries can't buy the games. There are only 195 countries in the world lol
Remember Sony made over 30Billion in profits last year and Microsoft made over 150 Billion in profits. These decisions are not being made with the company in mind but for those very few at the top who stock is their wealth are doing all of this for pennies on the dollar.
all the countries that cant make psn accounts should all group and overload their login servers
I've heard ai that is more human than CEO of Xbox.
This kind of "Mobile Store" stuff comes with a "Do you not all have phones?!?!" moment for me.
What I heard from bond on that double deflection is "games the gaming sphere is not growing as it once was so we are focusing on services and systems instead"
For Playstation it sounds more like either drop PSN requirement, or allocate the resources to either work with steams system/ expand their PSN to reach wider than what they currently have
"Both of the big console manufacturers"
You missed one... Nintendo.
No, he didn't.
@@EarnestWilliamsGeofferic He did in the intro. Nintendo's a big console manufacturer as well. Ever heard of the _Nintendo_ Switch?
The Switch is nearly the most successful console of all time, but of course to a PC player that doesn't matter. Alas.....
Switch gets to say 'the successor system will launch in about twelve months, but it won't be at the direct in June so don't expect it there', meanwhile Sony has had this entire Steam mess and XBox has its closure messes.
...Far less drama.
@@kennyholmes5196 Nintendo didn't fuck up so why would he drag them into this?
@@willferrous8677 As a contrast. Nintendo's one of the big three console manufacturers.
My favorite part was when she was like That Fallout TV Show sure is great huh?
When growth is the only incentive and investors the only people you really need to please, eventually all industries turn from value creation to value extraction to maintain artificial growth and unless it's checked by some brave executives willing to think long term or by sensible regulation it becomes an inevitable train ride to rock bottom.
This whole experience has made me more aware of 1) who is publishing my games and 2) what is their credibility as a game publisher and 3) a AAA game companies only prerogative is to make money for executives and growth. What happened to Hi-Fi Rush is clearly abuse by the publisher. What almost and could still happen to Helldivers 2 shouldn't ever happen to a successful game.
Still, the majority of folks will continue to buy from these monsters. Nothing will change until gamers and developers decide that the hobby isn't worth our time unless it gets better.
Considering the studio was in Japan, it makes a lot of sense that they cut them just so they don't have to deal with Japan (HR + Legal).
Funny that the PS5 is for sale in Puerto Rico, but they can't buy GoS according to the steam page...
Ive never understood the kow towing to steam. I dont have a pc yet, but can any of you explain. If you take a look at your library, how many of those games do you hold physical copies of? If there was such a backlash from what Ubisoft said about not owning games, why does steam do so well? Doesnt steam only grant you a license to play that game?
Given the current state of the industry is, if they don't want to explain releasing a profitable unit of the company, the first explanation I can think is 'they rejected the corporate agenda.'
May be entirely untrue, but frankly, why should I expect anything else?
Why doesn't anyone ever stop and ask why PSN isn't in a lot of countries? What the geopolitics behind regional availability is, ie: economic sanctions, military conflict, local laws regulations tariffs etc. People in a lot of these territories have had to use workarounds for so many things for a long time and extending service to countries via currency conversion + turning a blind eye to fake accounts wasn't the end of the world... until massive attention was drawn to it.