Is There Scientific Proof Authenticating The Book of Mormon?
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- Опубліковано 28 сер 2024
- Elder M. Russell Ballard of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints addresses the question of whether there is scientific proof of The Book of Mormon.
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When the missionaries first came to me july 2006 and showed me Joseph Smith film I absolutely sobbed,my stomach flipped just like when you go fast over a hill in the car,my hairs stood up I felt/knew in my gut this was the absolute truth baptised in the October. Thank Heavenly Father for my missionaries ❤
He states that no one will ever know that the Book of Mormon is the "Word of God" through scientific means, not that it was true. The difference is that like Jesus, you can believe it exists and that the Nephites exist but without the Holy Ghost you can never know of its divinity.
He doesn't change the subject! He answers it by saying that no there is no scientific evidence because you would no nothing more about it then if you didn't have the evidence. Miracles do not build faith... faith builds miracles. This means that if you have a sign or whatever, then you still have no faith because faith is believing in something that you can't necessarily prove. And the reason it can't necessarily be proved is because it is too complex for us to comprehend.
Yes that is Moroni s counsel. The things of God are spiritually discerned by the power of prayer and by the confirming witness of the Holy Ghost. That's certainly how l know the Book of Mormon is so true and all that it teaches ❤🙏😊
Thank you President Ballard.
God bless.
Another landmark talk excerpt that Latter-day Saints could listen to like a favorite song. 🙏🏽
He's absolutely right. The critic will always find a new source of doubt. There are never ending sources of doubt. If one is addressed they will move on to the next. The gold plates would not confirm truth for anyone but would be a supporting evidence for those who already believe. Those who saw the plates today would just say Joseph Smith or the Church made them to fool the masses.
It’s the same reasoning of I don’t need to see the stone tablets to know the commandments were of God given to Moses or see the physical cross Jesus Christ was crucified on to know it’s true
I love his reply to the minister/father. I would have said, show me the Ark of the Covenant, Aaron's budding staff, or Noah's Ark? I could go on and on and on about the Bible. Physical objects or evidences don't really convert people to God or our Savior. It is be that Special testator called the Spirit of God or the Holy Ghost - it is the most powerful way!!! I have read the Book of Mormon and there is no way an uneducated young man could have written that sacred book in about 65 days. God had to be involved in that process!!
If you felt the things inside my body you'd only believe in the BOM. It's soo real and such a great inspirational method following advice book that you cannot even put it down sometimes bc you want to mimic all the things it says in it. Believe and see the works of God the Eternal Father fall before you. This Book Brings me to my knees every night when I pray bc I know that it is true and it's ability to draw me closer to my Heavenly Father in True Love for him and in rightous desires in my actions and choices.
As a fervent Christian, I have read the Bible but never prayed to know if it was true. Why was that? I am not sure about the reasons. Then, I read the Book of Mormon to know if it was true and the Spirit of God did testify to me that the Book of Mormon was indeed true. It is another testament of Jesus Christ. I believe the Bible and the Book of Mormon to be testaments of Jesus Christ.
The holy ghost shows the BOM is true ,Just ask Jesus in a true way
Gosto dos apóstolos explicando facilmente o livro de Mórmon tão convictos! Acho lindo o espirito aprender com o Espírito linha sobre linha das escrituras e os preceitos ensinados uns aos outros na Igreja. Um pouco aqui um pouco ali e depois dar uma revelação preenchendo qualquer espaço sem deixar dúvida. Há coisas que somente o tempo irá revelar. Mas eu sei que Deus ama seus filhos e conhece os corações. O livro de Mórmon é verdadeiro o evangelho restaurado é o reino de Deus estabelecendo a Segunda Vinda de Cristo.
The Bible has no original records (called autographs) yet we believe in the bible. Any christian saying they wont believe the BOM without the original physical plates must also discredit the bible.
Very simply folks, read the Book of Mormon and find out for yourselves. Don't take up the word of anybody, but let the Spirit talk to you. Scientific proof maybe there isn't, physical evidence, maybe some, but that's not the point. Faith doesn't work like that, spiritual experiences don't work like that, otherwise there would've be "spiritual experiences"... People is always like, show me a sign, a proof and I will believe🙏...
I know with all my heart that the Book of Mormon is true, because I read it, I have prayed and just like the Bible it has changed the lives of many...
Just like the front cover says, it's "another Testament of Jesus Christ". Wouldn't you care to know?.
There are some religions that forbide or strongly advise you not to read it, why? What are you going to lose?.
Or are you afraid you might discover is true and your beliefs in your religion will take you somewhere else?
What if there is more to the story you've learn so far.
Again, ask yourself this question...
What if the BOM is truly, another testament of Jesus Christ? Wouldn't you want to find out?
So it's about emotion and not fact. Interesting.
So it's like that to all religion, all Christianity. Unless you're an atheist, the same argument can be used against all religion in this world.
I 100 present agree with this man!
Yes, the book of the Mormon is true, it's about the Native Americans. My clan is Kayaanii. Kayaanii is the tower people from the great tower that builded where the language, color of the skin, religion, families separated. The kayaanii lost the golden paper booklet that a young white man stolen. Kayaanii lost the booklet. It's in the Book of Mormon about the native people that lived her millions of years. Kayaanii's ancestors. Its truth. The only booklet about native American indians.
convenient answer. Show us the plates and we will make the decision if its a true story or not.....not by you telling us it is.
This is truly amazing because I feel soooo good about a lot of books, and so do billions of other people, even small cults get really awesome feelings about their religion and books are that are true, I mean look at the impact the Koran and Bible, Buddha, and the vedas have had on soooo many people. This means everything is true, as long as the HolyGhost testifies it to your heart! You just need to choose which one, they all, after effort, will produce the same answers….they are all true!!!! Wow thank you elder Ballard for making this so easy…. No proof necessary, just a really good feeling!
That’s not what he said though, is it? He didn’t say ‘you will have a good feeling if you read the Book of Mormon’. He said you can know the truth of the Book of Mormon by the power of the Holy Ghost. Moroni in Chapter 10 explained that it’s conditional upon your faith in Christ and your sincerity and your real intent.
He chooses to believe it and thru repeating the phrase often heard in the meetinghouse “this book is true” he’ll continue. Might get tripped up though when readind the Bible and trying to reconcile the Church’s teaching though.
The Book of Mormon does NOT contradict the Bible. And consider this: there are translation errors in the Bible. I have a list of about sixty discrepancies, and I could give them to you, but I know that they would contradict your church's beliefs, so you would do that Peter said NOT to do, and that's "personal interpretation" of the scriptures, or "wresting" the scriptures.
Evidence never builds faith.
Amen. So true, thank you.
Another great example of not actually answering the question, but instead "answering the question they should have asked"
The Muslims Buddhist and contemporary Christians say the something.
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There's NO scientific "proof" for the BOM! IF there was, EVERYONE would have no other choice than to accept the proof. THAT requires no faith, no humility or desire to believe on God or obey His words!!
No the church has never expressed if one land was specifically where it happened, but there have been archeological digs where they found horses and other past animals that supposedly weren't known to have been in the America's before. Also, there are many archeological scholars who believe the actual stories with actual peoples could have taken place in many areas in both North and South America.
In looking it up online, you will find that in South America there are tons of ancient buildings in Peru, New Mexico, and many other places. Many of the building have not been uncovered yet, but they can be seen by the new Lydar technology. In North America, there are ancient mounds and many ancient earthworks and city locations that have the remains from walls that were described in the Book of Mormon that were built to surround their forts and cities to protect them from their enemies. There are also many ancient places built in caves and sides of the mountains that are state and national parks that you can visit, as well as their pottery and other things that have been placed in museums. Many of these archeological sites are said to have had thousands of people who once lived there.
Even though not all scholars have professed that these sites could be actual places where The Book of Mormon took place, the descriptions written down in the scriptures are hard to not question if they are truth since most of these evidences have been described in the Book of Mormon.
How did Joseph Smith, who only had a third grade education know to write all these different things down in a book that he "supposedly" just made up, if most of it wasn't even discovered until recently? He couldn't have copied things from the writings of others, if there weren't any other writings to be found yet.
By a simple Google search, all these things can be shown. Multiple American Indian tribes also have family histories that sound convincingly simular to stories that are told in the Book of Mormon. How could this be if the Book is just made up???
*Research the LDS Heartland Model for more information. Wayne May videos on UA-cam are some of the best.
I'm currently LDS, and I'm sorry, but this isn't good enough. Knowing whether the Book of Mormon is the true word of God or not comes AFTER proving it actually exists. That's what the other religious leader was probably trying to convey.
Brandon, thank you for your comment. The point Elder M. Russell Ballards was trying to make was that there is no other way to come to know of the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon than through the Holy Ghost. We believe that you can come to know if the Book of Mormon is true as you read, study, ponder and pray to God with a genuine desire to know and He will give you an answer through spiritual experiences that come through the Holy Ghost. We invite you and others to come to know about the truthfulness of this Book through such acts of faith!
Jesus was born in israel. It exists. It may not be more than .1 truth but we can visit that place and know of it. Cummorah is .1 truth of the book of mormon.
After reading the Book of Mormon I can testify with all my heart that killing someone because you believe, it is better for one man to parrish then a whole nation to dwindle in unbelief is very wrong and a very dangerous teaching that justifies murder. I also testify that peoples skin doesn't change to darkness or whiteness based on someones righteousness or wickedness. I also testify that the words of Christ that appear at the beginning of the book could not appear before the birth of Christ.
But you also don't know much of middle eastern culture and the law of Moses either. Because the things Laban did to Nephi and his family (bear false witness, steal, and attempt to murder them) did made him worthy of death under the law. How can you say that Christ's words could not happen before the birth of Christ when Christ is God and has been from before the creation of the world? He is Jehovah of the Old Testament. I suspect you also do not believe the Bible. God bless!
"Religious truth is always confirmed by what you feel". So if I pray that I should fly a plane into a building, and I get a "good feeling" about it, then that is the truth? Muslims have prayed that the Quoran is the truth, and they feel good about it. If everything was based on feeling, there would be 7 billion different religions.
God never answers with feelings. The Bible says your heart can deceive you. People all over the world feel good about things that are clearly wrong. Muslims feel good about the Quran. So who's right? Who's feelings are from God and who is being deceived?
Maybe you haven't felt that feeling yet. It is very unique and special. I know it comes from the Spirit of God since it can touch your heart and will tell you the truth. All I can say is that it never failed me. I hope you can feel it too.
OR the disciples of Jesus could trust the Holy Ghost testifying to them that they had been in the Resurrected Jesus Christ's presence. Luke 24:32 “And they said to one another, did not our hearts burn within us while He talked with us on the road, and while he opened the scriptures to us.”
It was never plagerized from the KJV, I think you're talking about how some parts of 2Nephi and Isaiah pretty much say the same thing, but that's because God gave that out around the same time period in two different places.
In an LDS movie where a group of men try to retrace the foot steps of Lehi and his family coming to America from Jerusalem they found quite a bit of stuff to be accurate with the Book of Mormon description.
Did you know that when farmers first started to dig the ground in New York in the vicinity of the Hill Cummorah that they found a white silt of sorts, and upon digging deeper found plenty of bones?
Have you read the Book of Mormon?
Some of it
Jeremiah 17:9
9 The heart is deceitful above all things
and beyond cure.
Who can understand it?
Proverbs 28:26
26 He who trusts in himself is a fool,
but he who walks in wisdom is kept safe.
If a book is true then it has to be true in all ways. The BOM has horses in it-are remains dated to that time to much? The BOM tells of huge cities built of stone- I'm only asking for one brick. Because the bible talks about battles and cities and rivers and valleys and I can go to almost all of those places and people can show me the evidence that the things written in the bible are true. I just want to walk to through one city from the BOM or stand on the same hill as Nephi but i can't
Every one of your questions have already been answered.
No the church has never expressed if one land was specifically where it happened, but there have been archeological digs where they found horses and other past animals that supposedly weren't known to have been in the America's before. Also, there are many archeological scholars who believe the actual stories with actual peoples could have taken place in many areas in both North and South America.
In looking it up online, you will find that in South America there are tons of ancient buildings in Peru, New Mexico, and many other places. Many of the building have not been uncovered yet, but they can be seen by the new Lydar technology. In North America, there are ancient mounds and many ancient earthworks and city locations that have the remains from walls that were described in the Book of Mormon that were built to surround their forts and cities to protect them from their enemies. There are also many ancient places built in caves and sides of the mountains that are state and national parks that you can visit, as well as their pottery and other things that have been placed in museums. Many of these archeological sites are said to have had thousands of people who once lived there.
Even though not all scholars have professed that these sites could be actual places where The Book of Mormon took place, the descriptions written down in the scriptures are hard to not question if they are truth since most of these evidences have been described in the Book of Mormon.
How did Joseph Smith, who only had a third grade education know to write all these different things down in a book that he "supposedly" just made up, if most of it wasn't even discovered until recently? He couldn't have copied things from the writings of others, if there weren't any other writings to be found yet.
By a simple Google search, all these things can be shown. Multiple American Indian tribes also have family histories that sound convincingly simular to stories that are told in the Book of Mormon. How could this be if the Book is just made up???
*Research the LDS Heartland Model for more information. Wayne May videos on UA-cam are some of the best.
Did you even listen to what Elder M. Russel Ballard even said????
Will he come back to Salt Lake City or to Kirtland or Jerusalem?
Isn't this guy's argument alittle nieve? The Holy Spirit conviction is always a great testimony regarding spiritual truth, but the Book of Mormon is also claiming to be historical, factual. This means his method works regarding 'religious' truth as he has claimed, but if the BOM is really the Word of God, that makes it historical and real. If this is the case, it will correspond with reality, apply the same historical methods for the BOM as the Bible and you will come with 2 different results
The BOM isn't just a story; much of it is plagarized directly from the KJV and it can be proven.
The church has never expressed if one land was specifically where it happened, but there have been archeological digs where they found horses and other past animals that supposedly weren't known to have been in the America's before. Also, there are many archeological scholars who believe the actual stories with actual peoples could have taken place in many areas in both North and South America.
In looking it up online, you will find that in South America there are tons of ancient buildings in Peru, New Mexico, and many other places. Many of the building have not been uncovered yet, but they can be seen by the new Lydar technology. In North America, there are ancient mounds and many ancient earthworks and city locations that have the remains from walls that were described in the Book of Mormon that were built to surround their forts and cities to protect them from their enemies. There are also many ancient places built in caves and sides of the mountains that are state and national parks that you can visit, as well as their pottery and other things that have been placed in museums. Many of these archeological sites are said to have had thousands of people who once lived there.
Even though not all scholars have professed that these sites could be actual places where The Book of Mormon took place, the descriptions written down in the scriptures are hard to not question if they are truth since most of these evidences have been described in the Book of Mormon.
How did Joseph Smith, who only had a third grade education know to write all these different things down in a book that he "supposedly" just made up, if most of it wasn't even discovered until recently? He couldn't have copied things from the writings of others, if there weren't any other writings to be found yet.
By a simple Google search, all these things can be shown. Multiple American Indian tribes also have family histories that sound convincingly simular to stories that are told in the Book of Mormon. How could this be if the Book is just made up???
*Research the LDS Heartland Model for more information. Wayne May videos on UA-cam are some of the best
That matters not.
Are you serious? Is that how you decide if something is true? Wow should I just call you Thomas? Don't worry Thomas you will know when he comes back. That way you can also see him.
In April of 2006 the Mormon Church declared "This book was not a record of myth or an ancient history test or anything other than the true word of God." (Ensign, Apr 2006, p68) showing the LDS Corporation no longer views the Book Of Mormon as ancient text or history.
Please provide citations.
You mean other than the book itself?
Are you aware of the "Native Americans"? The Book of Mormon explains how they got here and in turn means that all of the buildings found in South America would be examples of the cities they built.
Ponder this
Hebrews 1
God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things,
It says there are no more Prophets since Jesus Christ.
But science should give us hints on truth regarding the BOM. Science is yet to authenticate the BOM. The Hill Cummorah, planet Kolob and the great battle between the Lamminites & Nephites is yet to be discovered. The approx 4K revelations given by LDS prophets since Mr Smith, only mitigate original doctrinal claims. And the secret temple rituals strangely mirror Freemasonry practice. Jesus is who He claims-God in the flesh, offering eternal life because of His grace and not because of our works.
No the church has never expressed if one land was specifically where it happened, but there have been archeological digs where they found horses and other past animals that supposedly weren't known to have been in the America's before. Also, there are many archeological scholars who believe the actual stories with actual peoples could have taken place in many areas in both North and South America.
In looking it up online, you will find that in South America there are tons of ancient buildings in Peru, New Mexico, and many other places. Many of the building have not been uncovered yet, but they can be seen by the new Lydar technology. In North America, there are ancient mounds and many ancient earthworks and city locations that have the remains from walls that were described in the Book of Mormon that were built to surround their forts and cities to protect them from their enemies. There are also many ancient places built in caves and sides of the mountains that are state and national parks that you can visit, as well as their pottery and other things that have been placed in museums. Many of these archeological sites are said to have had thousands of people who once lived there.
Even though not all scholars have professed that these sites could be actual places where The Book of Mormon took place, the descriptions written down in the scriptures are hard to not question if they are truth since most of these evidences have been described in the Book of Mormon.
How did Joseph Smith, who only had a third grade education know to write all these different things down in a book that he "supposedly" just made up, if most of it wasn't even discovered until recently? He couldn't have copied things from the writings of others, if there weren't any other writings to be found yet.
By a simple Google search, all these things can be shown. Multiple American Indian tribes also have family histories that sound convincingly simular to stories that are told in the Book of Mormon. How could this be if the Book is just made up???
*Research the LDS Heartland Model for more information. Wayne May videos on UA-cam are some of the best.
Yes mormon teach do not do any kind of research just trust in your heart even in the Bible says DO NOT TRUST IN YOUR HEART because your heart could deceive you, if you don't believe me read your Bible and you'll find out that Mr. Ballard is out of context.
No the church has never expressed if one land was specifically where it happened, but there have been archeological digs where they found horses and other past animals that supposedly weren't known to have been in the America's before. Also, there are many archeological scholars who believe the actual stories with actual peoples could have taken place in many areas in both North and South America.
In looking it up online, you will find that in South America there are tons of ancient buildings in Peru, New Mexico, and many other places. Many of the building have not been uncovered yet, but they can be seen by the new Lydar technology. In North America, there are ancient mounds and many ancient earthworks and city locations that have the remains from walls that were described in the Book of Mormon that were built to surround their forts and cities to protect them from their enemies. There are also many ancient places built in caves and sides of the mountains that are state and national parks that you can visit, as well as their pottery and other things that have been placed in museums. Many of these archeological sites are said to have had thousands of people who once lived there.
Even though not all scholars have professed that these sites could be actual places where The Book of Mormon took place, the descriptions written down in the scriptures are hard to not question if they are truth since most of these evidences have been described in the Book of Mormon.
How did Joseph Smith, who only had a third grade education know to write all these different things down in a book that he "supposedly" just made up, if most of it wasn't even discovered until recently? He couldn't have copied things from the writings of others, if there weren't any other writings to be found yet.
By a simple Google search, all these things can be shown. Multiple American Indian tribes also have family histories that sound convincingly simular to stories that are told in the Book of Mormon. How could this be if the Book is just made up???
*Research the LDS Heartland Model for more information. Wayne May videos on UA-cam are some of the best
answer to the videos question: NO
I can give scientific proof that its NOT authentic...
1)"The Lamanites are the principal ancestors of the American Indians"..DNA genetic studies have proven that 98.9% of the American Indians are mongoloid & came from Asia, not the Middle East
2) Horses & chariots are all through the BoM, yet horses did not exist on the Pre-Columbian American continent
3)Ether 7:9...Not a single steel sword, breastplate, or helmet has ever been found on American continent
Only reading studies that are anti lds isn't doing your research!
I have seen many of these evidences you just described. Just because the proof is there doesn't mean you will believe it.
In the past people thought that the world was flat even when they were shown otherwise.
No the church has never expressed if one land was specifically where it happened, but there have been archeological digs where they found horses and other past animals that supposedly weren't known to have been in the America's before. Also, there are many archeological scholars who believe the actual stories with actual peoples could have taken place in many areas in both North and South America.
In looking it up online, you will find that in South America there are tons of ancient buildings in Peru, New Mexico, and many other places. Many of the building have not been uncovered yet, but they can be seen by the new Lydar technology. In North America, there are ancient mounds and many ancient earthworks and city locations that have the remains from walls that were described in the Book of Mormon that were built to surround their forts and cities to protect them from their enemies. There are also many ancient places built in caves and sides of the mountains that are state and national parks that you can visit, as well as their pottery, weapons, and other things that have been placed in museums. Many of these archeological sites are said to have had thousands of people who once lived there.
Even though not all scholars have professed that these sites could be actual places where The Book of Mormon took place, the descriptions written down in the scriptures are hard to not question if they are truth since most of these evidences have been described in the Book of Mormon.
How did Joseph Smith, who only had a third grade education know to write all these different things down in a book that he "supposedly" just made up, if most of it wasn't even discovered until recently? He couldn't have copied things from the writings of others, if there weren't any other writings to be found yet.
By a simple Google search, all these things can be shown. Multiple American Indian tribes also have family histories that sound convincingly simular to stories that are told in the Book of Mormon. How could this be if the Book is just made up???
*Research the LDS Heartland Model for more information. Wayne May videos on UA-cam are some of the best.
Bible says DO NOT TRUST IN YOUR HEART because your heart could deceive you, if you don't believe me read your Bible and you'll find out that Mr. Ballard is out of context.
-Bible never says anything like that, you take proverbs out of context and misquote it aswell. Bible does say that don't trust into your own understanding but trus in God. I have a video on the holy spirit confirming the trut, and it's all bible scriptures, prove that video wrong.
Michael: "Did you even listen to what Elder M. Russel Ballard even said????"
- Not sure if you meant hossdsc or myself. Answer: YEP! I listened to the whole dang thing! I waste *way* too much time on inconsequential things and, in a good mood, I can stomach all sorts of intellectual dishonesty.
In fairness, why don't YOU try some intellectual HONESTY? You're probably young enough, while it's probably too late for Ballard. (But one can always hope!)
- ForwardMan
Can YOU be taken seriously? He was just using reason, which is REASONABLE. Guess where that leaves folks who are allergic to reason. We were given brains for a... reason!
Calling him "Thomas" means nothing.
Don't worry, though. We won't be standing on a single foot waiting for the one brick or one horse bone that will NEVER be forthcoming!
- ForwardMan!