Another good point is that the oppressors are the ones who write the history, which either does not include the narrative of the oppressed or portrays them the way the oppressor wants them viewed. I mean that what we're taught but history doesn't hold the same truths as the people. That's why interaction and conversation is so key. History holds prejudice and those views can't be broken if its the only exposure to culture that one gets.
I don't understand how one talks with people who have experienced the history, as they are usually dead. Conversation is in some cases impossible. I can speak to an AfAm about slavery and they do not have any more knowledge on it than a white person who is educated on the same level. Women and men can have the same knowledge on issues such as abortion too. Historical documents and anecdotes are by far the best way for us to learn about history. When the civil rights movement is taught in school, we are obviously taught that activists of civil rights were morally correct, and people against civil rights were wrong. However, we always read papers of anti civil rights advocates and their ideas too. I find it hugely insulting actually that you would call the entirety of american history prejudiced. We are taught that slave owners are wrong, but we also read pieces of their opinions as well as pieces by former slaves. If you can show me a commonly taught piece of american history taught with complete bias to the "oppressor", I will agree with you. But, for now, you seem to be spouting insulting ideas without substantial proof.
It's interesting because while Catherine grew up in very homogenous white area concentrated with many "Trump supporters", I'm growing up in the bay area (Menlo Park/Palo Alto), which is also like 90% white, yet everyone is liberal. Diversity awareness and empowerment almost feels forced. In middle school, I was literally surrounded with only caucasian kids, but as I entered highschool and the caucasian population balanced back to 50%, diversity didn't seem like this holy concept that had to be honored anymore. The issue with my community is that we are all kinda hypocrites. We promote the concept of diversity and make racism basically a crime, yet when it all boils down to it, we really aren't helping the Latino, African American and other minorities rise up to. I would argue that you are very lucky, Catherine, to attend a school like Stanford where everyone is very educated and enlightened and open to new ideas, yet as I make my way through high school and converse with different people, I realize there is still a huge, huge, huge divide because of economic and cultural differences and that people really just want to accept it and move on, to make the white liberals stop complaining about diversity issues. but idk tho.
There is not just a social divide between latinos and whites-- there is also an educational one. Unfortunately most advanced classes and such are populated by 90% Asian and caucasians. So I guess what I meant by 'just accepting', was that my latino friends constantly tell me how frustrating it is to see all these white liberals be like "empowering minorities is super important and diversity is a core concept" (both to which I agree) except when really, even though they go to a great school with great opportunities and stuff, the school is so segragated that 90% they never get ahold of those opportunities. So thy are fed up by these somewhat hypocrital people claiming they support diversity when really it's not "diversity" because of the abundant and heavy divide. To me, and I guess to some of my friends, diversity is engaging with different opportunities together, not just being offered them. Not saying my school treats minorities like trash, no, it's quite the opposite but they definitely aren't treated the same white as whites (which is a whole other topic).
maya khodabakchian Ooooo I see, I agree with the basis you have but I am Dominican and Ecuadorian and I grew up in the Bronx and the the suburbs and the shift from a Hispanic and African American community to one that's predominantly white was the hardest thing I've ever done in my life. I believe as someone who has been attending a school that doesn't care for minorities I believe diversity does help communities and it empowers them, my true self is heightened when I see others like me getting good Opportunities and doing good things because of their color. But I agree that in some instances it can be forced and we need to revert the focus to actually empowering and making a lasting effect to these communities. As someone who literally has anxiety attacks because of the environment I'm in I hope more progressive and actually lasting change can be made.
Cath, living in a homogenous community can be DETRIMENTAL to a person's development. I recently attended a leadership summit with Ambassador Leaders at Harvard. There were kids from Africa, the Philippines, and many other countries at the summit. My hometown is a homogeneous white community, and many people are racist and close minded. Attending that summit has CHANGED my life. It has changed how I view other people. It has changed how I view myself. It has changed how I view the world. I made my first true friends at that summit. I would have never thought that I would have a friend that lives in Kenya. So, in short, I believe cultural diversity is a key part in one's own development. Great video!
And I agree with you on the topic regarding diversity. Nothing is better than experiencing it first hand. It's the best way to get a tangible and lasting feel on it.
also totally commenting again for the diversity talk - the unfortunate reality of oppression in our world is that the people who are oppressed in certain regions of the world are the oppressors in others, same for underprivilege and privilege respectively. i come from a decently upper-middle class family in the most expensive city in india, and so i relate with you (katherine) a lot more when i internalize the concept of diversity and learning from life experiences because i went to high school with people who are at the same income level as my family, if not higher. however, when i travel abroad (i'm in NYC next week and i'm kinda hoping i see you somehow), i dread the inevitable conversation about my country and my proficiency with english and all of those other things that are kind of shocking to those who grew up with very little diversity and experience with "desi" people and our culture, so i assume that i relate with ibrahim more on that level. it's very interesting to see two perspectives on the same matter and relate with both on the same level, just with different contexts. i totally agree that the underrepresented minority should be allowed to choose whether or not they want to educate the majority - it isn't a burden they should take upon themselves. it kind of boils down to your environment - at a high school age, it's very difficult to convince your admin to take on a more diverse crowd because it may not be logistically or logically possible (funds, actual diversity in neighbourhood etc). but when you're older and in (or out of) college, it is a responsibility you take up yourself as to whether you _want_ to be educated or not.
Also about the oppressed not having to teach the oppressors, I think that's just asking too much of the world to be mad about that. A lot of liberals (including me) find others ignorant and if that's the state the world is in, we can't expect the world to be able to do something that we know it can't and be mad about it. It's rather not about the oppressed having to teach the oppressed but the so called "enlightened" teaching the "un enlightened". It is the responsibility of the oppressed, you can't have no faith in the world and then be mad that the world isn't doing what you think is good
I just downloaded the app you recommend and in all honesty, it's great! Thank you!! But I have to admit.. all of the other kids on there are all way better than me in like.. everything haha but especially in considering what colleges like so I'm screwed haha but thank you for recommending it!
If a member of an activist group says "fuck (insert you race here)" I no longer want to learn anything from that activist or any of their group members.
Homogeneous society do provide only a limited amount of perspective pool. People in a homogeneous community can be open minded as well but you would still just see the representations of other communities like political leaders and cinematographic representations which might still cause a certain mindset to develop within an open minded homogeneous society individual. It is not the job of oppressed to educate the oppressor however learning mostly comes from addition of more perspectives in our thought process and an exact representation of a community can only be learned with you hear their experiences from them.I guess that is why we appreciate people who speak up which utlimately leads to a food for thought for a change.Man that was long!! I am sorry lol
I'm currently in an environment where I'm surrounded by people from different backgrounds & classes, & I've been thinking about these same questions (I'm part of the oppressed group) & this is exactly what I needed right now, thanks Cat! Hope you continue making more videos like this 👌
might be good to have someone with differing views in the vid next time maybe not Ted Cruz-esque but someone who touches on the importance of unity i mean you go to stanford so it can't be that hard to find an articulate, intelligent person who holds differing opinions people seem to focus on the diverse ingredients in the melting pot that is America but seem to forget that in the end they all become one yummy soup
Ok so I know this video is old, but I just wanted to comment on what Gabriella was saying. I definitely know there are individuals who don't want to share their experience because they hate white people and they're angry, which in a sense is justified. However, most people refrain from sharing their experiences not because they're angry, but exhausted. After a lifetime of having to explain your identity to every person going in and out of your life, I promise you it's mentally and physically draining to be used as an encyclopedia by the uneducated around you.
Almost every POC(People of Colour) ethnicity is on the rise, globally and in western countries. Not only that, but they have the full support of western governments both in the west and without. There have been instances of literal wage subsidization by federal governments, which exclude whites exclusively. Measures for improving the quality of life, set of privileges and prevalence of POC are already high and are rising by the day. The idea that racism is still a problem that effects POC is a state-sponsored myth that quite frankly is very clearly debunk-able. I don't know why people continue to propagate this clearly false myth. Oh wait I do, it's because sucking up to the establishment have always provided a multitude of benefits for those who do. Valuing selfish need over universal benefit has also been the easy path.
I consider affirmative action an institutional discriminatory tool used against asian americans. However, other racism in society is dead on an institutional level, and basically dead on an individual basis. America hates individual racists (expect against white people in some social circles), and that's good. They complains about false institutional racism against AfAm, yet many have no problem with the institutional discrimination against america's model minority.
The reason that is, is because it goes counter to their narrative. Asian Americans excel society, despite being a racial minority, without needing anyone to "level the playing field",
It was confusing listening to your conversation without any background context. We really don't know Cath pre-college or Gabby's life at all. We also don't know the guy in the video.
I found people, especially don't have diverse background, have almost ZERO sense of international perspective at all, and I think that is the huge problem. I don't know everything about American education system, as what I heard from my friend, high schoolers don't even learn about world history ENOUGH other than WW1,2 and also they don't get education at all especially about Asian countries' history. I think that's the huge problem, this is why they literally spit out so many wrong stereotypical or racist things at my face. I am Korean who's in Midwestern college right now. So, I could understand what Cath said. I was so surprised how white here can be. Also, I'd like to say this. I realized Asians aren't even such a thing to be talked in terms of racism because of what they tend to be or achieve as model minorities. Asians born in the states, they aren't even treated as "domestic citizens" but they're rather considered as "foreigners". Idk, I think, for future generations, your history education system has to be less "arrogant" and stop teaching like only a few hundred years of American history is the ONLY history to know. And, for current generations, I'd say, you just gotta LEARN and educate yourself. Stop excusing yourself not knowing since you're kids. And, seriously listen to ALL minorities and especially women. I support BLM 100% and intersectional feminism. I will stand by any other minorities. But, what's the point of gathering together, if it only favors certain minority? Anyway, it's the tragic and awful truth that the white don't have to fight in daily basis. They don't have to deal with racist things, either good or bad, EVERYDAY.
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Another good point is that the oppressors are the ones who write the history, which either does not include the narrative of the oppressed or portrays them the way the oppressor wants them viewed. I mean that what we're taught but history doesn't hold the same truths as the people. That's why interaction and conversation is so key. History holds prejudice and those views can't be broken if its the only exposure to culture that one gets.
I don't understand how one talks with people who have experienced the history, as they are usually dead. Conversation is in some cases impossible. I can speak to an AfAm about slavery and they do not have any more knowledge on it than a white person who is educated on the same level. Women and men can have the same knowledge on issues such as abortion too. Historical documents and anecdotes are by far the best way for us to learn about history. When the civil rights movement is taught in school, we are obviously taught that activists of civil rights were morally correct, and people against civil rights were wrong. However, we always read papers of anti civil rights advocates and their ideas too. I find it hugely insulting actually that you would call the entirety of american history prejudiced. We are taught that slave owners are wrong, but we also read pieces of their opinions as well as pieces by former slaves. If you can show me a commonly taught piece of american history taught with complete bias to the "oppressor", I will agree with you. But, for now, you seem to be spouting insulting ideas without substantial proof.
It's interesting because while Catherine grew up in very homogenous white area concentrated with many "Trump supporters", I'm growing up in the bay area (Menlo Park/Palo Alto), which is also like 90% white, yet everyone is liberal. Diversity awareness and empowerment almost feels forced. In middle school, I was literally surrounded with only caucasian kids, but as I entered highschool and the caucasian population balanced back to 50%, diversity didn't seem like this holy concept that had to be honored anymore. The issue with my community is that we are all kinda hypocrites. We promote the concept of diversity and make racism basically a crime, yet when it all boils down to it, we really aren't helping the Latino, African American and other minorities rise up to. I would argue that you are very lucky, Catherine, to attend a school like Stanford where everyone is very educated and enlightened and open to new ideas, yet as I make my way through high school and converse with different people, I realize there is still a huge, huge, huge divide because of economic and cultural differences and that people really just want to accept it and move on, to make the white liberals stop complaining about diversity issues.
but idk tho.
maya khodabakchian "but Idk tho" HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAH
maya khodabakchian I grew up in the Bay Area too Pacifica
What do you mean diversity isn't helping Latino or African American communities? Like your take on it
There is not just a social divide between latinos and whites-- there is also an educational one. Unfortunately most advanced classes and such are populated by 90% Asian and caucasians.
So I guess what I meant by 'just accepting', was that my latino friends constantly tell me how frustrating it is to see all these white liberals be like "empowering minorities is super important and diversity is a core concept" (both to which I agree) except when really, even though they go to a great school with great opportunities and stuff, the school is so segragated that 90% they never get ahold of those opportunities. So thy are fed up by these somewhat hypocrital people claiming they support diversity when really it's not "diversity" because of the abundant and heavy divide.
To me, and I guess to some of my friends, diversity is engaging with different opportunities together, not just being offered them. Not saying my school treats minorities like trash, no, it's quite the opposite but they definitely aren't treated the same white as whites (which is a whole other topic).
maya khodabakchian Ooooo I see, I agree with the basis you have but I am Dominican and Ecuadorian and I grew up in the Bronx and the the suburbs and the shift from a Hispanic and African American community to one that's predominantly white was the hardest thing I've ever done in my life. I believe as someone who has been attending a school that doesn't care for minorities I believe diversity does help communities and it empowers them, my true self is heightened when I see others like me getting good Opportunities and doing good things because of their color. But I agree that in some instances it can be forced and we need to revert the focus to actually empowering and making a lasting effect to these communities. As someone who literally has anxiety attacks because of the environment I'm in I hope more progressive and actually lasting change can be made.
Cath, living in a homogenous community can be DETRIMENTAL to a person's development. I recently attended a leadership summit with Ambassador Leaders at Harvard. There were kids from Africa, the Philippines, and many other countries at the summit. My hometown is a homogeneous white community, and many people are racist and close minded. Attending that summit has CHANGED my life. It has changed how I view other people. It has changed how I view myself. It has changed how I view the world. I made my first true friends at that summit. I would have never thought that I would have a friend that lives in Kenya. So, in short, I believe cultural diversity is a key part in one's own development. Great video!
And I agree with you on the topic regarding diversity. Nothing is better than experiencing it first hand. It's the best way to get a tangible and lasting feel on it.
Just spent a week on the Stanford campus for a squash camp and it was my second time. I am in LOVE with Stanford. Fingers crossed I can get in
also totally commenting again for the diversity talk - the unfortunate reality of oppression in our world is that the people who are oppressed in certain regions of the world are the oppressors in others, same for underprivilege and privilege respectively. i come from a decently upper-middle class family in the most expensive city in india, and so i relate with you (katherine) a lot more when i internalize the concept of diversity and learning from life experiences because i went to high school with people who are at the same income level as my family, if not higher. however, when i travel abroad (i'm in NYC next week and i'm kinda hoping i see you somehow), i dread the inevitable conversation about my country and my proficiency with english and all of those other things that are kind of shocking to those who grew up with very little diversity and experience with "desi" people and our culture, so i assume that i relate with ibrahim more on that level. it's very interesting to see two perspectives on the same matter and relate with both on the same level, just with different contexts. i totally agree that the underrepresented minority should be allowed to choose whether or not they want to educate the majority - it isn't a burden they should take upon themselves. it kind of boils down to your environment - at a high school age, it's very difficult to convince your admin to take on a more diverse crowd because it may not be logistically or logically possible (funds, actual diversity in neighbourhood etc). but when you're older and in (or out of) college, it is a responsibility you take up yourself as to whether you _want_ to be educated or not.
don't diminish someone's opinions and experiences, I thought that was mad interesting and I personally am stoked she has the free time to write that
Man, you're such an amazing youtuber! Always creating top notch quality vids 👏
THE NEW INTRO 😍😍😍
I think it's a combination of education, exposure to diversity, and just personal belief systems
Also about the oppressed not having to teach the oppressors, I think that's just asking too much of the world to be mad about that. A lot of liberals (including me) find others ignorant and if that's the state the world is in, we can't expect the world to be able to do something that we know it can't and be mad about it. It's rather not about the oppressed having to teach the oppressed but the so called "enlightened" teaching the "un enlightened". It is the responsibility of the oppressed, you can't have no faith in the world and then be mad that the world isn't doing what you think is good
Cath, start a podcast already.
LOVE THE NEW INTRO CATH!!!! hugs from Baltimore xx
love that you added a caricature of joey + gabriella!!!
Omg I'm 10 seconds in but love the new intro
Gabriela is gorgeous
LOOLLL I'm from NYC and I effing hate the subway too. Funny to hear you rant about it when its my everyday life haha
I just downloaded the app you recommend and in all honesty, it's great! Thank you!! But I have to admit.. all of the other kids on there are all way better than me in like.. everything haha but especially in considering what colleges like so I'm screwed haha but thank you for recommending it!
lovin the new intro + CiC fun fact!!
Love you Cath!💕Great video😍
thank you for using your platform to talk about issues that we can't just ignore like racism
Paris has amazing subways too!
representing class of 2018!
Cath you should do a meet up in the city. You're by 86th street so that's convenient!
ayyyy i spy the new introcard it looks sick!!
such an interesting discussion. thanks for sharing a bit of the conversation with us :)
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If a member of an activist group says "fuck (insert you race here)" I no longer want to learn anything from that activist or any of their group members.
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Homogeneous society do provide only a limited amount of perspective pool. People in a homogeneous community can be open minded as well but you would still just see the representations of other communities like political leaders and cinematographic representations which might still cause a certain mindset to develop within an open minded homogeneous society individual. It is not the job of oppressed to educate the oppressor however learning mostly comes from addition of more perspectives in our thought process and an exact representation of a community can only be learned with you hear their experiences from them.I guess that is why we appreciate people who speak up which utlimately leads to a food for thought for a change.Man that was long!! I am sorry lol
I'm currently in an environment where I'm surrounded by people from different backgrounds & classes, & I've been thinking about these same questions (I'm part of the oppressed group) & this is exactly what I needed right now, thanks Cat! Hope you continue making more videos like this 👌
Wonder if any of them have ever lived below the poverty line?
might be good to have someone with differing views in the vid next time
maybe not Ted Cruz-esque but someone who touches on the importance of unity
i mean you go to stanford so it can't be that hard to find an articulate, intelligent person who holds differing opinions
people seem to focus on the diverse ingredients in the melting pot that is America but seem to forget that in the end they all become one yummy soup
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can you give me email or Gmail or ... of Ibrahim
ughhh betch I want to join in on this convo that they are having 1:50
Ok so I know this video is old, but I just wanted to comment on what Gabriella was saying. I definitely know there are individuals who don't want to share their experience because they hate white people and they're angry, which in a sense is justified. However, most people refrain from sharing their experiences not because they're angry, but exhausted. After a lifetime of having to explain your identity to every person going in and out of your life, I promise you it's mentally and physically draining to be used as an encyclopedia by the uneducated around you.
lol what a bunch of virtue-signaling rambling
gabriela has beautiful eyes. Please tell her i said that
Almost every POC(People of Colour) ethnicity is on the rise, globally and in western countries. Not only that, but they have the full support of western governments both in the west and without. There have been instances of literal wage subsidization by federal governments, which exclude whites exclusively. Measures for improving the quality of life, set of privileges and prevalence of POC are already high and are rising by the day.
The idea that racism is still a problem that effects POC is a state-sponsored myth that quite frankly is very clearly debunk-able. I don't know why people continue to propagate this clearly false myth. Oh wait I do, it's because sucking up to the establishment have always provided a multitude of benefits for those who do.
Valuing selfish need over universal benefit has also been the easy path.
I consider affirmative action an institutional discriminatory tool used against asian americans. However, other racism in society is dead on an institutional level, and basically dead on an individual basis. America hates individual racists (expect against white people in some social circles), and that's good. They complains about false institutional racism against AfAm, yet many have no problem with the institutional discrimination against america's model minority.
The reason that is, is because it goes counter to their narrative. Asian Americans excel society, despite being a racial minority, without needing anyone to "level the playing field",
never clicked on a video so quickly
What are they talking about in this video. Quite frankly the word oppressed has lost all meaning, if you live in the first world you're not oppressed.
love your show but disagree with convo would school yall on diversity so many generalizations
It was confusing listening to your conversation without any background context. We really don't know Cath pre-college or Gabby's life at all. We also don't know the guy in the video.
hi , I emailed you..could you please check
Am I first?
I found people, especially don't have diverse background, have almost ZERO sense of international perspective at all, and I think that is the huge problem. I don't know everything about American education system, as what I heard from my friend, high schoolers don't even learn about world history ENOUGH other than WW1,2 and also they don't get education at all especially about Asian countries' history. I think that's the huge problem, this is why they literally spit out so many wrong stereotypical or racist things at my face. I am Korean who's in Midwestern college right now. So, I could understand what Cath said. I was so surprised how white here can be. Also, I'd like to say this. I realized Asians aren't even such a thing to be talked in terms of racism because of what they tend to be or achieve as model minorities. Asians born in the states, they aren't even treated as "domestic citizens" but they're rather considered as "foreigners". Idk, I think, for future generations, your history education system has to be less "arrogant" and stop teaching like only a few hundred years of American history is the ONLY history to know. And, for current generations, I'd say, you just gotta LEARN and educate yourself. Stop excusing yourself not knowing since you're kids. And, seriously listen to ALL minorities and especially women. I support BLM 100% and intersectional feminism. I will stand by any other minorities. But, what's the point of gathering together, if it only favors certain minority? Anyway, it's the tragic and awful truth that the white don't have to fight in daily basis. They don't have to deal with racist things, either good or bad, EVERYDAY.
you are not oppressed period lol