She may need a therapist honestly cuz she keeps fighting for someone who been showing her they don’t want her like that. He ain’t even willing to sacrifice for her in regards to moving. And yet she’s still open. She lacks self esteem.
Somebody save Kylee from Kylee. She's going to continue to give Aven the time of day and we all know this man is not going to change--under those circumstances.
Well her mom is obviously not going to save her. She was also making excuses for Aven and appears to be supporting her daughter moving to San Diego. 🤦🏻♀️
@SupernaturalLove100 how dare Me what she's not going back to him and if she does well he'll have to change and that's if she can even give him another chance. Listen to the podcast I did.
I really hope Kylee is also in therapy. Some of the things she said about her standards made me feel bad for her. She should expect more from men because she deserves better.
@@Wuerthi1888 Do you? Was she a mean girl on BIP and did she manipulate the story she told to Zach to get Anastasia to leave once she p!ssed her off? Yeah. Does that make her a callous sociopath? No. She has some distasteful qualities and likely some good ones. Everyone typically deserves better than a toxic person especially when they give endlessly to a relationship
Exactly what I said! That she needs to see a therapist! The fact that she sounded still open to resuming their relationship down the line and seemed to place “how dare you” blame onto the woman and not Aven told me she lacks self esteem and needs to do some internal work on why she feels she needs to put up w struggle love. Is it fear of being alone? Bc she seemingly leads a male centered life and that’s what’s going to get her to fall into a marriage w children w someone who can’t even sacrifice a move for her 🥴
The biggest take away from this episode is that Kylee really has alot of work to do on her self esteem. Girl, you are gorgeous and deserve better. You just have to figure out how to truely believe that for yourself. Sending you much love on your journey to that destination ❤️
Love her, but 100% she’s still moving to San Diego in hopes of being with him. Especially when she said she didn’t want to leave Charlotte earlier in the episode. It’s sad, but we’ve all been there over a guy lol. I feel for her, but I wish she saw how amazing she is. Avens not going to change
Listening to Kylee talk about the social media games and the fire emoji and double taps makes me realize how much we’ve devolved as a society, at least in terms of social skills and emotional and general maturity.
Watching this I said “oh no Kylee” way too much because she really doesn’t seem to know her worth right now. She’s clearly amazing and self aware for the most part. She just needs some counseling. The more you give to people that don’t deserve you the more of yourself you lose.
@@meeksadorable9311she gave off mean girl during her BIP season any even a little during her bachelor season but that doesn’t mean she’s a monster nor would I say she’s amazing. Maybe she’s an amazing PARTNER considering how much she gives in a relationship and how thoughtful she is in regards to one but does that make her amazing to herself? No. She lacks self esteem and doesn’t love herself seemingly nor does she seem aware of how much value she’d b to other males on earth who would look at her and not fumble that. She’s male centered like many other women and would rather put in effort for a dude who can’t even sacrifice a move rather than b single and wait to find a loyal man. She ain’t even married to him w kids yet *sigh*
Ugh this poor girl. DON’T do it. I have been that girl so many times, especially when I was younger. It never works out. I just wish her the best and hope they both get help.
Avon is a grown man. He made his decisions. Let’s not sugar coat it Because he’s attractive and we like him. He’s forgiven and excused but Kylie please move on. Hunny, you deserve that! Please
She’s exactly why her daughter is the way she is, so deluded and lacks self esteem. Her mother perpetuates “boys will b boys” justification/rhetoric. Teaches her to tolerate betrayal which consists of screwing 3 diff women and getting back into bed w her lol I mean that’s so foul. Could’ve given her an STD. So self respect. Her mother is sabotaging her.
THIS!! The only person responsible for a relationship are the TWO PEOPLE that are in the relationship. Trying to pass blame to “the other woman” instead is so backwards. I feel like a lot of these standards that Kylee and her mom have are very old fashioned and it comes across as a “boys will be boys” type of energy
I know Kylee personally.. she and my daughter are college friends and she is truly a beautiful girl inside and out! Ky you deserve the best..just be patient and protect your heart❤
Aven strikes me as a guy that doesn’t really like women beyond what they can do for him. He doesn’t know the difference between trophy and treasure. When you treat women like trophies you really don’t respect the power of women. It doesn’t sound like he could never be with a woman that made more or was in the public eye more than him. Hopefully she will discover the true definition of love.
It sounds like the red flags were there from the beginning. Creeping you but not following you, liking your pictures but not willing to talk to you (a man who wants to be chased 🤮), too set in his ways. He wants a mom, not a girlfriend let alone a wife. Kylee was getting too excited over little things, which is not a bad thing but certainly something she should work on. Don’t be willing to bend over backwards for men that show you time and time again that they will not do the same for you. You couldn’t even get a DM out of him when he was clearly interested. This is not a man who knows what he wants or knows how to chase after it even if he did. Until he works on himself, he needs a girl with very very low self-esteem; and that was almost Kylee. She’s just a step above the very low self esteem level that Aven would need. She juuust escaped a life of hell is what it sounds. That being said, she’ll certainly learn and grow from this. She sounds like a very loving girl who deserves a lot better than that.
She’s male centered. I don’t think she knows how to b alone at least that’s the energy I get. Women who lead male centered lives will accept any kinda treatment if it means an end to solitude.
Her mother is the reason she lacks self esteem honestly. Kylee likely watched her mother put up w mistreatment and justify it as well. Sad. Women who devalue themselves and pass it along to their daughters.
Oh wow! Thats why Kylee told Aven “you were ready to do it with Rachel” on the show. And everyone was like no he wasn’t. It’s because Aven told her he was going to propose. It wasn’t shown on screen.
She's moving to his hometown so that he can see her around and miss her in hopes that he can convince her he's changed and they can date without long distance. Idk.. I think they need a no contact. And she needs to move somewhere that he doesn't live.
Because she’s preemptively defending her choice to eventually get back with him. The amount of excuses for Aven from both Kylee AND her mom was pretty telling.
@@embeth446 yeah I agree, they’re definitely gonna get back together because like why even move there still … and I wouldn’t be surprised if they weren’t already back together but that she just doesn’t want people to know cause we’d judge
@@brownsugarglamour so true. When Nick asked her mom how she felt (about Kylee moving out there) I was fully expecting her mom to say “I have reservations about my daughter moving across the country for him,” and instead she started saying how she feels bad for Aven. Sigh.
Kylee❤❤❤❤ I'm so glad we got to hear from you. You got this!!! PROUD OF YOU QUEEN!!! To the caller. 🛑 Stop enabling selfish people 🛑 Have your boundaries and stand on them like solid ground. Whoever respects them can stay and who can't must leave. YOU BUILD your happiness, then protect it with being pickier ❤
He didn’t want to get engaged for a reason, he didn’t feel it, then he did those things maybe unconsciously to sabotage the relationship… love avoidant…
Nope, he’s a player. It doesn’t matter if it was Rachel or Kylie, that dude loves to play the field. Thats why he doesn’t want to get engaged because he subconsciously knew he couldn’t stay faithful or take any girl seriously with the temptation of women noticing his good looks. Weak.
Yall need to start watching the new seasons of The Challenge and doing recaps! You would love. Combines physical tests/endurance (like Special Forces) with the social/political game as described in your recap of Traitors
Kylee…. Take some time for yourself…. The right person will come when you least expect it. Try not to put much emphasis on men’s WORDS. Focus on actions and consistency.
Conventional beauty or not, no one should put up with that. She is however beautiful and sought after which is what BIP should’ve shown her and yet she still seemingly doesn’t think there’s better for her out there. And it’s likely bc her unhinged mother tells her that *sigh* Sad. She was angrier w the side pick then with Aven. “Boys will b boys” vibes from the mother and Kylee. The pattern continues..
Oh yeah and if we weren't held accountable for our actions, all the prisons would be empty! Oh so wonderful. No wonder Kylie has a warped sense of standards for relationships.
I would have sooo much fun watching Traitors unspoiled. I think Peacock should make it possible to "choose your adventure" and watch blind! :) So fun watching this - thanks for promoting.
This episode makes me so AHHHH! Know your worth girl, it’s so hard to be in this situation, but he doesn’t respect you. 3 times!!! Love yourself more. I promise you’ll feel so happy and so proud of yourself walking away & never looking back.
When she said she was still moving there, NOOOOOOO. She is 100% going to be back with Aven within the first month of her being there. I hope to God he doesn’t do her dirty AGAIN. And thank GOD the Instagram DMs saved her. She would’ve never found out that info had the friend not came forward. How scary.
He possibly will bc he’ll see how generous and loyal she is to him despite his mistreatment. Just like a Khloe Tristan situation where Khloe’s the doormat. And he absolutely would’ve never told her lol that’s what crazy is that she’s not angry enough knowing he would’ve NEVER told her since his side piece told him she didn’t wanna b involved 💀
Oh Kylie…. I hope she knows there is someone out there that will love her unconditionally. She absolutely should NOT give someone like Aven her forgiveness. He has too many issues to take care of. She also needs to work on herself, but I hope she knows she deserves more.
I HIGHLY suggest season 2 of The Traitors the Australian version. I just finished it last night and it was the wildest season so far. My husband and I laughed so hard. It was awesome and in my opinion a must watch in you love The Traitors.
Kylee was the most sought after woman in paradise…tons of the guys were interested in her & it’s so sad that she prob missed out on a legitimate good partner bc she was w aven. I hope she finds a man who loves & respects her & treats the way she deserves❤️
She was sought after and still she doesn’t seem to recognize her own value considering how she’s gonna get back with him once enough time has passed only for him to possibly take advantage of her lack of self esteem and generosity again. Sad when young women waste their time like this.
“what’s next for the 2 of them” in the description? lol. if she doesn’t drop him after this, then she really is devoid of self esteem. and it’s sad considering how many males out there would treat her well. they’re not married, have kids nor have been together for long so there’s literally no reason to put forth the effort in repairing this or up w that at all as if there are no other males on earth. my thoughts to women who remain open to resuming relationships like these: STAND TF UP! women are taught to devalue themselves and lead male centered lives so they settle for the worst 🤦🏾♀️ and I low key hope to not see her everywhere on every bachelor podcast after this bc of this new plot line only bc of the mean girl energy she gave off during BIP 🥴
She's gonna watch this someday and see how hard Nick and Natalie tried to be nice and tell her that Aven was giving her the bare minimum and that he didn't immediately come clean...
Mhm. He just likes the way she looks it seems. They’re dull together though in conversation. She doesn’t seem to wanna accept that bc even as she described her, at the beginning of their paradise journey, she felt he wasn’t that into her. If the 3 different women he piped down while with her ain’t indication of that enough, don’t know what it’s gonna take for her.
this episode of the bachelor was really good .. this is the first time i. like 4 seasons i’ve watched premiere night instead of just watching ur recap.. and the girls look really entertaining beautiful.. Joey is hot 🥵 .. who knew?? definitely late to his hotness .. i’m excited fingers crossed 🤞🏾
The fact that he was willing to give her up so easily just because he didn’t want to move tells us everything we need to know. Side note- I didn’t like Erich since the first episode of Gabby’s season, I always thought she was too good for him and I’m glad to see Kylee bring attention to it
I understand Kylee’s friends and family supporting her and Aven in that Kylee never felt that way about anyone, but the most important part of a real good relationship is when the guy feels the same way. Aven is not the end. She needs to be w someone who mutually feels the same way about her as she does.
They allow themselves to get trampled on, it’s sad. She may waste her youth and ovaries on his a$$. Women have done it before and continue to bc they don’t value themselves in their male centered lives
Nick, your baby girl is going to be so lucky to have you as a dad. You are going to be so insightful with everything in her life. She will grow up to be such a strong woman because of her father (and her mother of course), but the way you help young girls with their dilemmas, she is going to be so so lucky.
Truely feel like I just listened to a child, Nick didn't ask anything about Olivia or bullying, and topped it off with a "I know she's mean, but shes nice to me" type attitude about kat that everyone learns the hard way when the person ends up fully able to turn on them
man, it sucks to say that i relate to her whole situation so much. going through the no contact stage right now and it’s so hard!! also, might be moving the city over to him later this year for grad school. seeing these comments really have opened my eyes, but i am still holding out hope for us.
So funny, I’m in my 50s and I have no idea about the IG games she’s taking about and the “close friends” vs “following” 🤣 Guess I have some research to do ha!
Oh Kylee seems lik she is going to go back to Aven. Wishing her nothing bt the best . I hope that if she does get back with him, he has done the work and she can be able to fully trust him and i hope they hv a healthier relationship this time around
So last years Traitor wrecked me. But also made me see Arie in a different light - good! I did watch the UK version which is the same and I didn’t know the players. It’s awful to see them lie and trust. I mean ugh…it’s the game, but what a mind f. There was a journalist that was held captive in Somalia and at the end him coming clean as a traitor was heart breaking. Good TV but I had to buy his book.
The fact that she was even willing to move to SD is sad to me. Aven should have made a commitment to move to her. Hate that women always sincerely give so much of themselves to unavailable men.
Once someone cheats on you not once but three times, they don’t respect you. I hope Kylee has the strength to truly walk away and never look back.
She may need a therapist honestly cuz she keeps fighting for someone who been showing her they don’t want her like that. He ain’t even willing to sacrifice for her in regards to moving. And yet she’s still open. She lacks self esteem.
Somebody save Kylee from Kylee. She's going to continue to give Aven the time of day and we all know this man is not going to change--under those circumstances.
Well her mom is obviously not going to save her. She was also making excuses for Aven and appears to be supporting her daughter moving to San Diego. 🤦🏻♀️
She's done with him. Listen to the podcast really just Listen. She's moving on. Their over.
@@chrisbarbera4121
She’s still moving to San Diego….for what and why? She even said abt the side piece “how dare you” but not abt Aven
@SupernaturalLove100 how dare Me what she's not going back to him and if she does well he'll have to change and that's if she can even give him another chance. Listen to the podcast I did.
@@chrisbarbera4121 I don’t think you did though.
I really hope Kylee is also in therapy. Some of the things she said about her standards made me feel bad for her. She should expect more from men because she deserves better.
Does she? ....does she really?
@@Wuerthi1888
Do you?
Was she a mean girl on BIP and did she manipulate the story she told to Zach to get Anastasia to leave once she p!ssed her off? Yeah. Does that make her a callous sociopath? No. She has some distasteful qualities and likely some good ones. Everyone typically deserves better than a toxic person especially when they give endlessly to a relationship
Exactly what I said! That she needs to see a therapist! The fact that she sounded still open to resuming their relationship down the line and seemed to place “how dare you” blame onto the woman and not Aven told me she lacks self esteem and needs to do some internal work on why she feels she needs to put up w struggle love. Is it fear of being alone? Bc she seemingly leads a male centered life and that’s what’s going to get her to fall into a marriage w children w someone who can’t even sacrifice a move for her 🥴
@@SupernaturalLove100 someone graduated from the toxic masculinity MBA program with distinction... 🥴
Kylee is a beautiful woman with a kind heart. I pray she does not go back to this man and instead finds someone who will cherish her EVERY day!
Maybe there were some issues with her?
So if people have flaws it’s ok to cheat
I agree.
Christina. I agree.
@@Wuerthi1888
You’re under everyone’s comment. Seek therapy.
The biggest take away from this episode is that Kylee really has alot of work to do on her self esteem. Girl, you are gorgeous and deserve better. You just have to figure out how to truely believe that for yourself. Sending you much love on your journey to that destination ❤️
The delusion baby.. she’s going to fold so quick in San Diego.
Love her, but 100% she’s still moving to San Diego in hopes of being with him. Especially when she said she didn’t want to leave Charlotte earlier in the episode. It’s sad, but we’ve all been there over a guy lol. I feel for her, but I wish she saw how amazing she is. Avens not going to change
Listening to Kylee talk about the social media games and the fire emoji and double taps makes me realize how much we’ve devolved as a society, at least in terms of social skills and emotional and general maturity.
Agreed, and I’m younger than her 🤦🏻♀️
honestly i feel like this may be just an influencer thing lmao. i cannot grasp how ppl take that kind of stuff genuinely serious
THANK YOU for saying this.
I thought I was the only one.
It’s bare minimum bullshit , the fact that she manipulated him to message her.
@@skittle654I hope so
Oh Kylee 🤦🏾♀️ girl if you have to chase a man it will never work….
I really don’t think she understands how beautiful she is 😭
I agree- she said that she was excited how “someone like him” would be interested. She doesn’t see how stunning she is
She doesn’t. She lacks self esteem. She was sought after on BIP and still doesn’t see it.
Watching this I said “oh no Kylee” way too much because she really doesn’t seem to know her worth right now. She’s clearly amazing and self aware for the most part. She just needs some counseling. The more you give to people that don’t deserve you the more of yourself you lose.
Is she...? Is she really?
@@Wuerthi1888 respectfully, you might have detected something that I didn’t so I can’t say you’re wrong. I’m just speaking from my perspective.
@@meeksadorable9311 I agree with you
@@Wuerthi1888
You’re commenting this under every comment complimenting her. Did she run over your dog? You’re very we!rd.
@@meeksadorable9311she gave off mean girl during her BIP season any even a little during her bachelor season but that doesn’t mean she’s a monster nor would I say she’s amazing. Maybe she’s an amazing PARTNER considering how much she gives in a relationship and how thoughtful she is in regards to one but does that make her amazing to herself? No. She lacks self esteem and doesn’t love herself seemingly nor does she seem aware of how much value she’d b to other males on earth who would look at her and not fumble that. She’s male centered like many other women and would rather put in effort for a dude who can’t even sacrifice a move rather than b single and wait to find a loyal man. She ain’t even married to him w kids yet *sigh*
Ugh this poor girl. DON’T do it. I have been that girl so many times, especially when I was younger. It never works out. I just wish her the best and hope they both get help.
Too late lol
Avon is a grown man. He made his decisions. Let’s not sugar coat it Because he’s attractive and we like him. He’s forgiven and excused but Kylie please move on. Hunny, you deserve that! Please
So true!!
Idk if you did it on purpose but I love that you called him “Avon” 😂😂😂
"Avon" made me laugh so damn hard. I don't even wanna read anymore comments. 💀
I don’t forgive him.
Exactly! I cringed when mom was like “well people can change and grandma thinks hes hot”
wtf the mom is a nut. He HURT your daughter. Oh but wait he apologized 🤦🏻♀️
That was wild
I was SHOCKED hearing this. ABSOLUTELY NOTTTTTT
She’s exactly why her daughter is the way she is, so deluded and lacks self esteem. Her mother perpetuates “boys will b boys” justification/rhetoric. Teaches her to tolerate betrayal which consists of screwing 3 diff women and getting back into bed w her lol I mean that’s so foul. Could’ve given her an STD. So self respect. Her mother is sabotaging her.
I love Natalie’s side eye when Kylee’s mom says she has sympathy for Aven😂
Amazing to me! He betrayed her daughter and she’s like “well… he’s such a nice guy and grandma thinks he’s hot”
Kylee moving to San Diego is a big mistake, but she’ll have to learn the hard way I guess.
Huge. Like move anywhere else! She's setting it up to get back with him
Yup! She lacks self esteem. Why she would want to be anywhere close to him is beyond me.
@@juliethillbrand4134exactly what she’s doing
kylee girl saying how dare you to the girl but having nothing but respect for aven is so hilarious
THIS!! The only person responsible for a relationship are the TWO PEOPLE that are in the relationship. Trying to pass blame to “the other woman” instead is so backwards. I feel like a lot of these standards that Kylee and her mom have are very old fashioned and it comes across as a “boys will be boys” type of energy
Yes! And in the end, all it does is cause women to make poor decisions about men
I know Kylee personally.. she and my daughter are college friends and she is truly a beautiful girl inside and out! Ky you deserve the best..just be patient and protect your heart❤
Aven strikes me as a guy that doesn’t really like women beyond what they can do for him. He doesn’t know the difference between trophy and treasure. When you treat women like trophies you really don’t respect the power of women. It doesn’t sound like he could never be with a woman that made more or was in the public eye more than him. Hopefully she will discover the true definition of love.
I don’t think he likes women at all, I bet it will come out that he’s gay..
Feel like I just experienced a man like this
Kylee girl why do you keep saying you respect him he literally disrespected you so many times he does not deserve your respect
100%%%%
She has no self esteem lmao
This San Diego move is not a good idea
She’ll learn
Not at all
Please don't get back together with Aven. Don't move for him. Put yourself first.. you are worth it. ❤
It sounds like the red flags were there from the beginning. Creeping you but not following you, liking your pictures but not willing to talk to you (a man who wants to be chased 🤮), too set in his ways. He wants a mom, not a girlfriend let alone a wife.
Kylee was getting too excited over little things, which is not a bad thing but certainly something she should work on. Don’t be willing to bend over backwards for men that show you time and time again that they will not do the same for you. You couldn’t even get a DM out of him when he was clearly interested. This is not a man who knows what he wants or knows how to chase after it even if he did. Until he works on himself, he needs a girl with very very low self-esteem; and that was almost Kylee. She’s just a step above the very low self esteem level that Aven would need. She juuust escaped a life of hell is what it sounds. That being said, she’ll certainly learn and grow from this. She sounds like a very loving girl who deserves a lot better than that.
Well said
No chemistry is worth disrespecting ourselves. Learn to love being alone so anyone that doesn’t value it doesn’t get your time .
She’s male centered. I don’t think she knows how to b alone at least that’s the energy I get. Women who lead male centered lives will accept any kinda treatment if it means an end to solitude.
“If we were all held accountable for our mistakes in our lives, it would be a terrible thing” This is her mom’s takeaway? WHAT THE F**K?
Exactly, no wonder Kylee is still considering Aven! These things never work out
Her mother is the reason she lacks self esteem honestly. Kylee likely watched her mother put up w mistreatment and justify it as well. Sad. Women who devalue themselves and pass it along to their daughters.
@@SupernaturalLove100 yes - it’s something that i’m learning myself
Yeah, She is definitely getting back together with him.
So pathetic. She don’t love herself and it’s bc of that mother of hers justifying his mistreatment
The way I’m watching this when I have to take the MCAT in 2 days
Girl good luck. I’m doing this even tho I have 3 assignments due tomorrow night and a 3-11:30 evening shift:,)
This made me cry so hard when she started reading the text. I know what it feels and i hope she heals and gets the support she needs
I hope Bachelor Nation has the same energy for Aven as they did for Tino!
Oh wow! Thats why Kylee told Aven “you were ready to do it with Rachel” on the show. And everyone was like no he wasn’t. It’s because Aven told her he was going to propose. It wasn’t shown on screen.
Crazy what they edit out man
Love the timestamps! Thank you Household
I loved this interview and us girls can relate to her situation so well, but Kylee….. do not go back to him.
Forever grateful for being Introduced to The Traitors. I binged season one in days after Nick mentioned it last time and it was SO SO GOOD
Yes i love its concept of some celebrities nd some reg ppl
Oh, if you like US Traitors, you should give other countries Traitors a try. The Canadian one and the British one in particular were SPICY!!
@@sherriromas5871 I will, thank you!
Kylee girl giving delulu 😭 great episode tho!!!
It’s so sad
Literally I kept refreshing to see if this was uploaded lol
Me too!
Hah same!
SAME
Same 😂
She's moving to his hometown so that he can see her around and miss her in hopes that he can convince her he's changed and they can date without long distance. Idk.. I think they need a no contact. And she needs to move somewhere that he doesn't live.
Kinda don’t understand how she’s giving so much grace to Aven who’s action caused everything but says how dare you to the Boston girl
Because she’s preemptively defending her choice to eventually get back with him. The amount of excuses for Aven from both Kylee AND her mom was pretty telling.
@@embeth446 yeah I agree, they’re definitely gonna get back together because like why even move there still … and I wouldn’t be surprised if they weren’t already back together but that she just doesn’t want people to know cause we’d judge
@@brownsugarglamour so true. When Nick asked her mom how she felt (about Kylee moving out there) I was fully expecting her mom to say “I have reservations about my daughter moving across the country for him,” and instead she started saying how she feels bad for Aven. Sigh.
@@embeth446and the grandma who said don’t open the DM like SMH
I love how she gave every single detail. I believe her.
This is the first vial file I’ve watched and I love the way nick grills. He asks and says the perfect things
Ok Natalie coming in with some amazing questions👏🏻👏🏻love the questions you guys ask. Y’all are an amazing interviewing pair and so fun to watch!
Kylee❤❤❤❤ I'm so glad we got to hear from you. You got this!!! PROUD OF YOU QUEEN!!!
To the caller.
🛑 Stop enabling selfish people 🛑
Have your boundaries and stand on them like solid ground. Whoever respects them can stay and who can't must leave.
YOU BUILD your happiness, then protect it with being pickier ❤
My mouth dropped when she read that text, wow
That friend of a friends roommate honored girl code so hard
He didn’t want to get engaged for a reason, he didn’t feel it, then he did those things maybe unconsciously to sabotage the relationship… love avoidant…
Nope, he’s a player. It doesn’t matter if it was Rachel or Kylie, that dude loves to play the field. Thats why he doesn’t want to get engaged because he subconsciously knew he couldn’t stay faithful or take any girl seriously with the temptation of women noticing his good looks. Weak.
@@valbonaivezaj140so…..sabotage.
YUP! Well said! What I’ve been tryna say! He gave her so many chances to break up w him and yet she is still open. It’s givin Khloe and Tristan
She keeps giving him so much grace
Avon’s future in bachelor nations is done
“He's obsessed with me”
“He got his notifications on” LMAOOOO AHAHAHAAHHAH
I feel sorry for Kylee, she's full of excuses
Yall need to start watching the new seasons of The Challenge and doing recaps! You would love. Combines physical tests/endurance (like Special Forces) with the social/political game as described in your recap of Traitors
Kylee…. Take some time for yourself…. The right person will come when you least expect it. Try not to put much emphasis on men’s WORDS. Focus on actions and consistency.
Either Natalie and I have pretty much the same due date or a week or two apart… hoping for a healthy, smooth delivery and happy baby for you both.
Kylee needs to stay away from Avan because she’s too beautiful for this nonsense and not angry enough over this situation
Conventional beauty or not, no one should put up with that. She is however beautiful and sought after which is what BIP should’ve shown her and yet she still seemingly doesn’t think there’s better for her out there. And it’s likely bc her unhinged mother tells her that *sigh* Sad. She was angrier w the side pick then with Aven. “Boys will b boys” vibes from the mother and Kylee. The pattern continues..
Did Kylee’s mom say if we were all hell accountable for our actions it would be a terrible place? I had to rewind it twice 😂😂
Mhm. It’s no wonder why Kylee is w delusion.
Oh yeah and if we weren't held accountable for our actions, all the prisons would be empty! Oh so wonderful. No wonder Kylie has a warped sense of standards for relationships.
lol at his mom saying it would be a terrible thing if we were all held accountable for our mistakes
*her mom
I would have sooo much fun watching Traitors unspoiled. I think Peacock should make it possible to "choose your adventure" and watch blind! :) So fun watching this - thanks for promoting.
This episode makes me so AHHHH! Know your worth girl, it’s so hard to be in this situation, but he doesn’t respect you. 3 times!!! Love yourself more. I promise you’ll feel so happy and so proud of yourself walking away & never looking back.
AND he went back to her bed. So gross. Like we ain’t we talking abt the STD aspect enough
When she said she was still moving there, NOOOOOOO. She is 100% going to be back with Aven within the first month of her being there. I hope to God he doesn’t do her dirty AGAIN. And thank GOD the Instagram DMs saved her. She would’ve never found out that info had the friend not came forward. How scary.
He possibly will bc he’ll see how generous and loyal she is to him despite his mistreatment. Just like a Khloe Tristan situation where Khloe’s the doormat. And he absolutely would’ve never told her lol that’s what crazy is that she’s not angry enough knowing he would’ve NEVER told her since his side piece told him she didn’t wanna b involved 💀
not Natalie getting a hot flash when hearing the Aven/Kylee drama 1:48:00💀
I noticed this too, I was screaming at my phone “someone please turn the AC on!”
Oh Kylie…. I hope she knows there is someone out there that will love her unconditionally. She absolutely should NOT give someone like Aven her forgiveness. He has too many issues to take care of. She also needs to work on herself, but I hope she knows she deserves more.
I HIGHLY suggest season 2 of The Traitors the Australian version. I just finished it last night and it was the wildest season so far. My husband and I laughed so hard. It was awesome and in my opinion a must watch in you love The Traitors.
Have you watched the Canadian and British ones? So freaking good. I am going to do Aus next but also heard the NZ one was fantastic.
@@sherriromas5871 I have watched them all but Canada I have to figure out where to watch those! AU season 2 is the best one by far!
Kylee was the most sought after woman in paradise…tons of the guys were interested in her & it’s so sad that she prob missed out on a legitimate good partner bc she was w aven. I hope she finds a man who loves & respects her & treats the way she deserves❤️
She was sought after and still she doesn’t seem to recognize her own value considering how she’s gonna get back with him once enough time has passed only for him to possibly take advantage of her lack of self esteem and generosity again. Sad when young women waste their time like this.
💯💯 so sad
Hope she isnt moving for aven.. hard to think the location choice is a coincidence!
She is lol
“what’s next for the 2 of them” in the description? lol. if she doesn’t drop him after this, then she really is devoid of self esteem. and it’s sad considering how many males out there would treat her well. they’re not married, have kids nor have been together for long so there’s literally no reason to put forth the effort in repairing this or up w that at all as if there are no other males on earth. my thoughts to women who remain open to resuming relationships like these: STAND TF UP! women are taught to devalue themselves and lead male centered lives so they settle for the worst 🤦🏾♀️ and I low key hope to not see her everywhere on every bachelor podcast after this bc of this new plot line only bc of the mean girl energy she gave off during BIP 🥴
“Another place I love”
“That's ruined”
LMAOOO AHAHAHAHA
Can’t wait to watch! Lately it’s been banger after banger. So proud of Nick 😊
She definitely still wants him because the move should be canceled
You have got to watch season 1 traitors!! Its epic!
She lost all respect for home girl who owes her no loyalty but still respects Avennnn 😅 whaaaattt? I know Olivia is having a field day
She's gonna watch this someday and see how hard Nick and Natalie tried to be nice and tell her that Aven was giving her the bare minimum and that he didn't immediately come clean...
Thank you for being vulnerable Kylie. I’m sorry Avon didn’t see the prize he had in front of him. Pls move on.
this is wild i'm 3 seconds in and immediately can tell no healthy relationship could ever come from this stupid instagram shit
She has a very pleasant voice.
“He could've denied it even though I did have full blown proof” 💀💀💀💀
Some males are like they, definitely. Although she sounds like she’s givin excuses
Sad but Aven never seemed into her.
Mhm. He just likes the way she looks it seems. They’re dull together though in conversation. She doesn’t seem to wanna accept that bc even as she described her, at the beginning of their paradise journey, she felt he wasn’t that into her. If the 3 different women he piped down while with her ain’t indication of that enough, don’t know what it’s gonna take for her.
this episode of the bachelor was really good .. this is the first time i. like 4 seasons i’ve watched premiere night instead of just watching ur recap.. and the girls look really entertaining beautiful.. Joey is hot 🥵 .. who knew?? definitely late to his hotness .. i’m excited fingers crossed 🤞🏾
The fact that he was willing to give her up so easily just because he didn’t want to move tells us everything we need to know. Side note- I didn’t like Erich since the first episode of Gabby’s season, I always thought she was too good for him and I’m glad to see Kylee bring attention to it
Kylee Kylee Kylee. Please date a man or 2 before even contemplating a getting back
If it's about time, then Kylee should give him some time. She's still in contact with him so he's thinking I can get her back whenever 😢
I understand Kylee’s friends and family supporting her and Aven in that Kylee never felt that way about anyone, but the most important part of a real good relationship is when the guy feels the same way. Aven is not the end. She needs to be w someone who mutually feels the same way about her as she does.
Her mother is leading her astray chile. Sad. No self esteem. Just “boys will b boys, he didn’t take it seriously at first, he can change” lol
That jar is right in front of Nick’s face when he looks to his left. 😂
oh this poor girl i already know she’s gonna give this man another chance 😭
Kylee is so sweet and forgiving, it’s always those personalities that get the cheaters 😢
They allow themselves to get trampled on, it’s sad. She may waste her youth and ovaries on his a$$. Women have done it before and continue to bc they don’t value themselves in their male centered lives
Please don’t forgive him! I can tell she wants too
I'm here for the teaaaaa
Nick, your baby girl is going to be so lucky to have you as a dad. You are going to be so insightful with everything in her life. She will grow up to be such a strong woman because of her father (and her mother of course), but the way you help young girls with their dilemmas, she is going to be so so lucky.
She said everything beautifully
Holy hell 700th episode?!?!?! That’s crazy
It seems like Kylee loves Aven more than she loves herself. 🥴
Kylee is nice and all, but she is not the brightest bulb...
It’s bc of that mother of hers! Didn’t teach her common sense regarding males!
Traitors is so cheesy but in the best possible way 😂❤
Damn July 22nd is my birthday. 😮
Nick go watch season one. More bachlor ppl were on there nd arie done great! It had a cast of mostly celebrities bt some reg ppl too
“I might be clubbing out in Miami but I'm still thinking about you” 😭😭😭😭😭
“She's a runner she's a trackstar” 💀💀💀
Truely feel like I just listened to a child, Nick didn't ask anything about Olivia or bullying, and topped it off with a "I know she's mean, but shes nice to me" type attitude about kat that everyone learns the hard way when the person ends up fully able to turn on them
man, it sucks to say that i relate to her whole situation so much. going through the no contact stage right now and it’s so hard!! also, might be moving the city over to him later this year for grad school. seeing these comments really have opened my eyes, but i am still holding out hope for us.
So funny, I’m in my 50s and I have no idea about the IG games she’s taking about and the “close friends” vs “following” 🤣
Guess I have some research to do ha!
Oh Kylee seems lik she is going to go back to Aven. Wishing her nothing bt the best . I hope that if she does get back with him, he has done the work and she can be able to fully trust him and i hope they hv a healthier relationship this time around
So last years Traitor wrecked me. But also made me see Arie in a different light - good! I did watch the UK version which is the same and I didn’t know the players. It’s awful to see them lie and trust. I mean ugh…it’s the game, but what a mind f. There was a journalist that was held captive in Somalia and at the end him coming clean as a traitor was heart breaking. Good TV but I had to buy his book.
“It definitely is a fantasy” 💀💀💀💀💀
The fact that she was even willing to move to SD is sad to me. Aven should have made a commitment to move to her. Hate that women always sincerely give so much of themselves to unavailable men.
Please watch season 1, Nick and Natalie!! It’s so so good.