i agree but my only concern is to how loud the beep would be. i worry about it being shut off/disconnected as that's what happens to smoke alarms often times sadly. it's dangerous enough when that happens.
What is the perseiger for afacuation in the event of a fire, 1)leave the building as quickly as possible, 2) don't stop to pick up personal belongings, 3) don't RUN. those green signs don't comply with the health and safety regs because they show a figure of a man running 😂 GREAT video Joe And a fantastic new idea l like it.
This would be great in an industrial environment, the only issue would be seeing the indicator if high up or near a machine etc. Could easily do it myself, but if 20 need fitting that's a lot of snipping, soldering, etc. Would be cool if they had a version that had a terminal block to wire the indicator in wherever you want.
Looks like these lights are more intelligent than the caretakers in the social housing block of flats where I live. Flick test is never done and the last full duration test was well over 2 years ago. That aside.. How do these units know when it is a safe time to do a full duration test?
We have the zumtobel system at my workplace, works similar to this except it's all computer controlled and monitored and does all the testing itself, allows us to check the lights daily (if need be) and see the faults...only drawback is certain parts/fixture replacement require reprogramming by the zumtobel engineer and parts can be pricey
anyone remember the first self test emergency lights, the maintained fittings that had a light sensor that clipped onto the T5 tube in the fitting, have not seen a reliable self test fitting since.
Great idea. What happens when a few of these are installed from new in a short period of time during the day, I'll assume that you could have whole areas in darkness during the day
In most situations this is fine, but do think about the environment you're installing in to - we had a situation with a theatre where after some roofing work the contractors had installed some of these in the auditorium, funnily enough having random lighting coming on and off during a performance is rather a distraction to the audience and performers alike...
Colleagues. Have you experienced that batteries are damaged by being drained regularly during the construction period of the building. this is when the electricity is turned regularly off at the end of the day. I have witnessed that the life of the batteries is down to 2 years.
@@efixx But how do you know the self test is working and the LED isn't stuck on green because the self test Microcontroller has crashed/died? Flashing green would at least tell you the micro is still running, static lights to confirm something safety related is working are generally not a good idea, the "working" LED will often flash in time with the microcontrollers watchdog resetting (or some multiple of that time and assuming they're even using a watchdog?). to use the built in manual function to confirm it's working you need a ladder to press the button, key switches are accessible at ground level.
The idea of a self test light is really good however when are manufacturers or yourselves going to have a battery Hatch cover so simple battery updates can be carried out without dismantling the fittings as many companies dispose of the fittings and replace them with new ones which seems very wasteful and not cost effective
How does a "self-testing" light properly fulfil the testing criteria outlined within the emergency lighting inspection certificate? Namely - you cannot comment on whether or not the emergency light supply is correct segregated from other circuits if you are only "testing" locally. Not are you able to comment\tick that enough test points are located if you're never actually using them. An answer to a question nobody asked.
@@efixx I think that there should be if you are looking after several buildings eg schools and don't even think of asking for the M & E manual good job we have google on our phones now!
Joe thanks, got a question for you, assuming that you’re installing these light I 5 different location, does it have to be on its own circuit or you can put them together with the light circuit?
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They should probably have included a beeper to indicate a fault - a flashing red LED isn't going to be noticed by anyone.
i agree but my only concern is to how loud the beep would be. i worry about it being shut off/disconnected as that's what happens to smoke alarms often times sadly. it's dangerous enough when that happens.
Knightsbridge pulls it out of the hat again. They've come out with some great stuff lately. Thanks Joe. #StaySafe
Cheers Brian👍
What is the perseiger for afacuation in the event of a fire, 1)leave the building as quickly as possible, 2) don't stop to pick up personal belongings, 3) don't RUN. those green signs don't comply with the health and safety regs because they show a figure of a man running 😂
GREAT video Joe
And a fantastic new idea l like it.
This would be great in an industrial environment, the only issue would be seeing the indicator if high up or near a machine etc. Could easily do it myself, but if 20 need fitting that's a lot of snipping, soldering, etc. Would be cool if they had a version that had a terminal block to wire the indicator in wherever you want.
Are they seiriously still using Nickel-cadmium batteries in these, or was that stock footage?
EM lighting is one of the last areas that Ni-cad still be used.
Looks like these lights are more intelligent than the caretakers in the social housing block of flats where I live. Flick test is never done and the last full duration test was well over 2 years ago. That aside.. How do these units know when it is a safe time to do a full duration test?
Common scenario - loads of never organisations test the emergency light.
We have the zumtobel system at my workplace, works similar to this except it's all computer controlled and monitored and does all the testing itself, allows us to check the lights daily (if need be) and see the faults...only drawback is certain parts/fixture replacement require reprogramming by the zumtobel engineer and parts can be pricey
anyone remember the first self test emergency lights, the maintained fittings that had a light sensor that clipped onto the T5 tube in the fitting, have not seen a reliable self test fitting since.
Yes can remember them - how time marches on
Hi Joe thanks for sharing your video with me and I always love your videos
You're welcome! 😊
I think we need a CPD on emergency lighting 😃
Agree - on it 👍
Great idea. What happens when a few of these are installed from new in a short period of time during the day, I'll assume that you could have whole areas in darkness during the day
great idea
We thought so. 😊
In most situations this is fine, but do think about the environment you're installing in to - we had a situation with a theatre where after some roofing work the contractors had installed some of these in the auditorium, funnily enough having random lighting coming on and off during a performance is rather a distraction to the audience and performers alike...
Colleagues. Have you experienced that batteries are damaged by being drained regularly during the construction period of the building. this is when the electricity is turned regularly off at the end of the day. I have witnessed that the life of the batteries is down to 2 years.
"I need to check that the self test on your self testing lights is still working".
Much easier than messing around with key-switches. 👍
@@efixx But how do you know the self test is working and the LED isn't stuck on green because the self test Microcontroller has crashed/died? Flashing green would at least tell you the micro is still running, static lights to confirm something safety related is working are generally not a good idea, the "working" LED will often flash in time with the microcontrollers watchdog resetting (or some multiple of that time and assuming they're even using a watchdog?). to use the built in manual function to confirm it's working you need a ladder to press the button, key switches are accessible at ground level.
@@efixx I get paid to install key switches and to test emergency lights. How would you like it if products were invented that advertised themselves?
The idea of a self test light is really good however when are manufacturers or yourselves going to have a battery Hatch cover so simple battery updates can be carried out without dismantling the fittings as many companies dispose of the fittings and replace them with new ones which seems very wasteful and not cost effective
That's a really good idea, we love that. 👍
How does a "self-testing" light properly fulfil the testing criteria outlined within the emergency lighting inspection certificate? Namely - you cannot comment on whether or not the emergency light supply is correct segregated from other circuits if you are only "testing" locally. Not are you able to comment\tick that enough test points are located if you're never actually using them. An answer to a question nobody asked.
Nice system.. just one question, if the lighting circuit is de-energised due to maintenance or alterations, does the internal clock reset itself?
I would assume only if deenergerised long enough to deplete its internal battery. Unless the clock has a separate button cell battery backup...
@@jongurney yeah the usually have a separate button cell for the RTC well the ones I've seen anyway
Great question, I'm not sure but we'll try and look into it for you.
strange question, dose anyone know what text font that is on the test record sheet at 1:40?
is this an ad ?
Is there a standardized of these red flashing LEDs across most makes?
Not sure, I think it's probably unique from manufacturer to manufacturer. 👍
@@efixx I think that there should be if you are looking after several buildings eg schools and don't even think of asking for the M & E manual good job we have google on our phones now!
A lot of ignorance below on how and how often the lights are tested and recorded on a monthly basis.
Joe thanks, got a question for you, assuming that you’re installing these light I 5 different location, does it have to be on its own circuit or you can put them together with the light circuit?
Great question. We'll look into the regs for a proper answer, might be a Q&A video in it.
Self Testing systems great yes, until manufacturers like these make the control gear obsolete in 3-5 years.
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Thanks very much! 👍