50 Vietnam Era Green Berets at Little Bighorn: What's the Impact?

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  • Опубліковано 3 лип 2024
  • 🔥 Welcome to another episode of Parry This! 🔥 Today, we're diving into a fascinating blend of history and speculative fiction. Join us as we explore the intriguing question: What if 50 Green Berets from the Vietnam War era were at the Battle of Little Bighorn?
    🌟 About This Video 🌟
    In this episode, we reimagine a pivotal moment in American history - the legendary Battle of Little Bighorn, also known as Custer's Last Stand. But there's a twist! We're adding 50 battle-hardened American Special Forces soldiers to the mix. How would modern tactics and technology from the Vietnam War era change the outcome of this 19th-century battle?
    Other Alternate History Battles: • Alternate History Battles
    🎯 Key Highlights:
    ✅ Detailed Analysis: Dive into our detailed analysis of the Battle of Little Bighorn, where we compare 19th-century strategies with 20th-century military prowess.
    ✅ Tactical Insights: Discover how Vietnam-era Green Berets' tactics, like guerrilla warfare and advanced weaponry, could have shifted the battle's dynamics.
    ✅ Historical Context: Understand the original battle setting, with key figures like Lt. Col. George Armstrong Custer, Sitting Bull, and Crazy Horse.
    ✅ Hypothetical Scenario: Visualize a unique battlefield scenario combining 7th Cavalry troops with Green Berets armed with M16 rifles, grenade launchers, and M40 sniper rifles.
    ✅ Thought Experiment: Engage with our speculative exploration of historical events and their potential alternate outcomes.
    📚 For History Buffs and Military Enthusiasts! 📚
    This video is perfect for anyone interested in military history, historical "what-if" scenarios, and the strategic evolution of combat. Whether you're a fan of the American Old West or modern military tactics, there's something here for you!

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  • @paulbilger3782
    @paulbilger3782 4 місяці тому +78

    There was a Twilight Zone episode about a WWII tank being transported to the little big horn battle. Most of the story was about the soldiers making the decision to interfere in history.

    • @txgunguy2766
      @txgunguy2766 4 місяці тому +10

      Yeah, and at the end, the 3 soldiers get out of the tank with their M1 carbines and run to join the battle on foot.

    • @Tecumseh4Rus
      @Tecumseh4Rus 4 місяці тому +7

      @paulbilger3782:
      They weren't WW2 soldiers. Present time in episode like 1962

    • @donald2665
      @donald2665 4 місяці тому +8

      That was a stellar episode. Have seen it many times and enjoyed it each time.

    • @edmundcharles5278
      @edmundcharles5278 4 місяці тому

      ….because the future soldiers could not alter history without also changing future events and possibly Brit own existence; thus most types of the past entry stories merely have the future cried merely completing a past event or remaining neutral to it!

    • @johnzeszut3170
      @johnzeszut3170 4 місяці тому

      Yes - the way they were sliding the .45's and carbine to chamber I though this was directed by Sam Peckinpah!@@txgunguy2766

  • @morwitzer34
    @morwitzer34 4 місяці тому +31

    The 50 Special Forces soldiers wouldn't put themselves in this situation in the first place.

    • @williamplatt6859
      @williamplatt6859 4 місяці тому +1

      Thank you

    • @mikematusek4233
      @mikematusek4233 11 днів тому +1

      They were force multipliers and are trainers of the locals. I'd say use the MacV Sog forces depicted in the Series Tour Of Duty season 3.

    • @leth9320
      @leth9320 7 днів тому +2

      Yes, but he did say if 50 Green Berets found themselves transported into this battle.

    • @NovelaMeier
      @NovelaMeier 6 днів тому +1

      They likely would have negotiated a peaceful ending. They had faced such tactics in Vietnam, so they knew likely outcome against such a large force. That and they are supposed to help peoples oppressed. It is more likely they would have made Custer surrender or even withdraw. Remember what Custer was doing to women and children before this battle, we tend to overlook this fact. Green Beret would never have allowed him to do such actions. It goes against their code of honour.

    • @mikematusek4233
      @mikematusek4233 6 днів тому

      @@leth9320 That was the situation portrayed in the movie when their camp was over run.

  • @mopenshaw
    @mopenshaw 4 місяці тому +131

    No M60s? Seriously?

    • @bragslvbm3870
      @bragslvbm3870 4 місяці тому +11

      Depending on what he defines as a Green Beret since modern ones have unit lineage with 4(ish) different units, the M60 was not heavily used by them. The recce and deep penetration units only used them in limited. The QRF and Hatchet force units used them but no more than a regular infantry platoon

    • @johntillman6068
      @johntillman6068 4 місяці тому +14

      @@bragslvbm3870 OK, then Stoner rifles. We're talking four ODAs of 12 men @, plus. No machine guns at all? Get real. Some heavy weapon specialists would have not only M60s, but 60mm mortars and LAWs.

    • @huntclanhunt9697
      @huntclanhunt9697 4 місяці тому +7

      ​@@johntillman6068Stoners were almost exclusively used by Navy Seals. Same for the China Lake grenade launcher. Very few were used by army units.

    • @jakebrandyberry9116
      @jakebrandyberry9116 4 місяці тому +3

      RPD-44 was famous amongst the green berets though

    • @somerandofilipino6957
      @somerandofilipino6957 4 місяці тому +6

      They had to make it a little fair for the Indians, you see 😂

  • @marklepollo8546
    @marklepollo8546 4 місяці тому +11

    if modern Green Berets went back, they would likely have told the entire 7th Calvary to get the F out of there and re-think the whole thing before the battle started.

  • @george217
    @george217 4 місяці тому +20

    Reminds me of the Twilight Zone episode where a M3A3 Stuart tank showed up at Little Big Horn...

  • @CharlieVetter-wk9hf
    @CharlieVetter-wk9hf 4 місяці тому +11

    Two things. 1. Sitting Bull was not involved in the battle. He had participated in a religious ritual a day or so before which left him a bloody mess. 2. According to the Indian participants there was no Indian charge against Custer (Reno yes) The Indians said it was more of creeping through the tall grass and undulations of the rounds.

    • @RexBell303
      @RexBell303 4 місяці тому +2

      Beat me to it about Sitting Bull. He was an old man

  • @ObsydianShade
    @ObsydianShade 4 місяці тому +37

    I suspect, at some point after the battle, Custer would have been found tied up somewhere, firmly gagged, so as to not to influence much of anything.

    • @MrCvnbvn
      @MrCvnbvn 4 місяці тому +4

      That dumbbell needed it back right after the Civil War.

    • @budwilliams6590
      @budwilliams6590 4 місяці тому +2

      fragged.

    • @jamessimms415
      @jamessimms415 4 місяці тому +1

      Understandable as the last in his class @ West Point

    • @craigplatel813
      @craigplatel813 4 місяці тому +5

      You and the guys replying to you have no understanding of what the current tactical concepts were in use by the US army and the native Americans at the time. Go do some research about what the typical conduct of native Americans were when their camps were attacked. Then go look at how Custer planned his attack.

    • @RexBell303
      @RexBell303 4 місяці тому +3

      He was excellent in the Civil War.

  • @drunkstepdadproductions7857
    @drunkstepdadproductions7857 4 місяці тому +33

    idea : what if the 300 spatrans were supported by modern greek soldiers

    • @wirebrushproductions1001
      @wirebrushproductions1001 4 місяці тому +3

      In the long run, not much, at least militarily. The problem is that the Persians started with something like 250,000 soldiers (estimated 120k - 300k). No platoon-sized or company-sized unit will carry enough ammo to make a real dent in an enemy that size.
      On the other hand, as the saying goes, "You don't win a battle by killing the enemy, you win by making him run away." So, all you would need is a few mortar teams and some ammunition bearers. When mortar rounds start impacting around Xerxes and his generals, the only reasonable explanation would be that the gods were responsible. With the leadrship dead, targeting the front ranks would probably rout the Persian army. There is just no percentage in fighting against the gods.

    • @scottmyers5828
      @scottmyers5828 4 місяці тому

      😂😂😂

    • @black1917
      @black1917 4 місяці тому

      Another channel did this. Basically, the very existence of the machine gun and how it works, specifically the noise and gory effect, would completely turn the tide, and give the Persians PTSD.

    • @lontongstroong
      @lontongstroong 2 місяці тому

      Xerxes and his generals would've been the first targets by Greek snipers/marksmen perching from the cliffs. Losing their entire chain of commands by the unseen enemy, the demoralized Persians made a hastily retreat back to their ships, which could be intercepted by Athenian navy and totally destroyed.

  • @user-zv4zk6mx4n
    @user-zv4zk6mx4n 4 місяці тому +9

    Custer's Batt. was in a running battle and would not have had time to fortify their position, so any advantage that gave them was null and void. The indians were mostly armed with rifles and crept up thru ravines and coolies.

  • @TheJeffcoulter
    @TheJeffcoulter 4 місяці тому +16

    How about a Gulf War-era (1991) American tank battalion integrating into the US 1st Armored Division at the Battle of Kasserine Pass during the Allied North Africa campaign in WW2?

    • @tbone1812
      @tbone1812 4 місяці тому +3

      bruh! the abrams would FEAST! probably the M60 series as well, since during the storm my unit was using the -60 and we kicked the shit out of the t72...lol

    • @tomsmith3045
      @tomsmith3045 4 місяці тому +1

      Mixed M1 and Bradley would be interesting. Have to believe with the tech and training of those units, they'd never drive into a trap, and wouldn't work uncoordinated. Also interesting because I think Bradley and Patton were there, and believe Abrams was part of Patton's army?

    • @timadams7467
      @timadams7467 4 місяці тому +1

      Now that would be interesting 🧐

    • @pauldewees7571
      @pauldewees7571 4 місяці тому

      So, kursk would look much different!
      Belgium would probably be a soviet starlight state .
      Numbers count.

    • @lontongstroong
      @lontongstroong 2 місяці тому

      @@tbone1812 Heck not even the German's and Italian's heaviest AT weapons could even scratch the US' modern MBTs at point blank range. Way too easy 🤣

  • @marklin4693
    @marklin4693 4 місяці тому +8

    According to the ballad of the Green Beret, their mission is to help the 'natives to fight off the oppressors, for liberty. To protect the women and children. I expect them to easily rend off Custer' s band of raiders

    • @KO-js6by
      @KO-js6by 6 днів тому

      Nah they would have wasted the Siberian colonists, then came back to modern times and laughed at the dead Siberian colonists constantly whining descendants.

  • @Kdpainted
    @Kdpainted 4 місяці тому +9

    Love this series, great video!

  • @mopenshaw
    @mopenshaw 4 місяці тому +40

    A more interesting consideration. How few Green Berets would it take to be able to turn the tide of the battle? 6? 12? 20?

    • @RexBell303
      @RexBell303 4 місяці тому

      6

    • @HunterBidenscrack
      @HunterBidenscrack 4 місяці тому +3

      @@RexBell303 1 and his name is John Rambo.

    • @nedkelly2035
      @nedkelly2035 4 місяці тому

      I suspect only a few, IF armed with one of the ultra high speed mini guns and unlimited ammo. I don't the names and numbers of those guns, but some of them do like 1000 rounds a minute or more, so I think you could just so left to right and right to left, everyone and their horse in front of you would new mowed down.

    • @andysheepleton
      @andysheepleton 4 місяці тому +1

      @@nedkelly2035 You wouldn't have unlimited ammo. it is possible that they would have logistics issues if it were a small number. When they aspirated was it right there with boxes and boxes of ammo, or was it at the fort?

    • @vegan-cannibal714
      @vegan-cannibal714 4 місяці тому

      Depending on their load-out I'd say 4 or maybe 8. It really depends on how quickly the berets can make contact and convince the natives how badly their life choices had lead them astray

  • @Dare_To_Game
    @Dare_To_Game 4 місяці тому +6

    I think the battle would end up being fairly one sided. Little Bighorn was mostly a strategic blunder, and the green berets wouldn't make the same mistakes.

    • @DanBeech-ht7sw
      @DanBeech-ht7sw 4 дні тому

      Of course not. They would have wiped out the 7th cavalry before they got anywhere near the Sioux

  • @Lexi-vl5eh
    @Lexi-vl5eh 4 місяці тому +2

    Love this series. Keep them coming.

  • @txgunguy2766
    @txgunguy2766 4 місяці тому +8

    One thing that virtually every visual depiction of the battle of Little Bighorn gets wrong is the hats that the 7th Cav troopers are wearing. Due to army regulations of the time, soldiers were required to purchase their own hats. Straw Boater hats(barber shop quartet hats) were VERY popular because they were only a dime at the sutler's store.

    • @TheReckoningBeginsToday
      @TheReckoningBeginsToday 4 місяці тому +4

      Good observation. Those hats were a contributing factor to the lose. No native could take a guy wearing that seriously.

    • @Princess_Celestia_
      @Princess_Celestia_ 6 днів тому +1

      We have photos of Custer's men prior to the battle, they where not wearing those kind of hats, homie. Most of the hats they wore where kepis and forge caps while officers would wear stetsons. So the depictions are accurate as far as hats go.

  • @carinasmirnoff1780
    @carinasmirnoff1780 4 місяці тому +1

    Really enjoyed this video. The alternate history battles are so good.

  • @rackyjaeckel1644
    @rackyjaeckel1644 4 місяці тому +33

    You forget that if they fall into the command structure Custer was still in command, Custer was trying to get enough fame to run for president. He would have squandered the benefits that the Green Berets gave him.

    • @danhardesty6318
      @danhardesty6318 4 місяці тому +18

      I believe they would tell him to take a hike.

    • @galbert117
      @galbert117 4 місяці тому +11

      ​@danhardesty6318 they most definitely would, especially if they remember the original battle

    • @alessiodecarolis
      @alessiodecarolis 4 місяці тому +6

      Or some "unlucky" accident could've happened to him....

    • @mattvanderford4920
      @mattvanderford4920 4 місяці тому +1

      This right here proves once again this guy doesn’t know what he is talking about. Nor wood the GB fight along side the Calvary as suggested but be in flanking positions ready to counter attack the first attack or disrupt its original momentum. They would not use automatic fire but still have superior firepower. However if the native army did not spook at the beginning I’m not sure the 50 added guns would be enough. Especially if they were side by side with the Calvary.

    • @looseunit1615
      @looseunit1615 4 місяці тому +1

      Custer's ego killed his troops.

  • @ociejohns8213
    @ociejohns8213 4 місяці тому +15

    There was still the factor of Custer splitting his forces into 3 units, therefore the beret's could have been split up or sent with Reno or Bentween .

    • @808INFantry11X
      @808INFantry11X 4 місяці тому +3

      Well actually no even though Custer maybe the ranking officer Green Berets don't fall under those types of Command structures. They run independent operations for a reason.

  • @marksauck3399
    @marksauck3399 4 місяці тому +2

    Some of the art, the paintings depicting this battle are beautiful.

  • @pyeitme508
    @pyeitme508 4 місяці тому +12

    Well De Oppresso Liber, wish for 21st century Green Berets soon😂

    • @darbyheavey406
      @darbyheavey406 4 місяці тому +1

      Maybe the Berets would join the Indians….

    • @pyeitme508
      @pyeitme508 4 місяці тому

      @@darbyheavey406 ya

  • @HenryKobyla1407
    @HenryKobyla1407 4 місяці тому +3

    Very interesting. I like how the troop type changes every time to fit the situation.

  • @donald2665
    @donald2665 4 місяці тому +5

    The Guns of The South - is an Alternate History of South Africans bringing the AK Variants back in time to the Confederacy and the impact on the Civil War. On another comment stream, that I viewed, there was speculation on what a single Armored vehicle like a modern tank might have made on the Battle of Gettysburg. Some speculated that a LAV or similar large wheeled armored vehicle would be more effective with its auto cannons and 50 cal. machine guns etc.. One Officer chimed in that the Union Forces would quickly recover from the initial shock and would readily see how to knock the tracks off of the tank with logs pushed into the tracks. I found all those speculations to be interesting.

    • @jamessimms415
      @jamessimms415 4 місяці тому

      I want to write a Science Fiction book of WW2 aircraft time traveling back to the CW to assist The South.

    • @jordanhicks5131
      @jordanhicks5131 4 місяці тому

      They would have to get close to the tank first, but I think a Bradley or Stryker would be better, they don't need anti armor capabilities of a tank. The bushmaster on the Bradley with explosive AP rounds would absolutely rule the field

    • @4325air
      @4325air 4 місяці тому

      I read Guns of the South by Turtledove many years ago. Thoroughly enjoyed it!

  • @rmurphy3435
    @rmurphy3435 4 місяці тому +5

    The 7th Calvary did not carry muskets as stated. The cavalry were armed with Springfield “trapdoor” single shot carbines in 45-70 caliber.

    • @geraldcalderone7190
      @geraldcalderone7190 9 днів тому

      With copper cartridges. They failed. The post mortem investigation convinced the US Army to convert to brass

    • @Princess_Celestia_
      @Princess_Celestia_ 6 днів тому

      Psst, the modle Springfield "Trapdoor" Carbine was a converted musket. If you look one up, you will see it came with a ramrod.

  • @northwind2050
    @northwind2050 4 місяці тому +7

    800 yard range on point target with an M-16. Battle would have been over faster then Usain Bolt can run the 200

    • @chadm6981
      @chadm6981 4 місяці тому

      No 800 is the area target range, granted with 5000 Indians charging your bound to hit something. 550 meters is the max effective range for a point target for an M-16A2.

    • @williamrausch4245
      @williamrausch4245 4 місяці тому

      M16A1 max point target range was 460 meters

    • @DougthebearRichards
      @DougthebearRichards 4 місяці тому

      Spencer - 500m @@williamrausch4245

  • @user-sd7gk3qp8l
    @user-sd7gk3qp8l 4 місяці тому +5

    That was interesting. I love the old West. In another episode, how about samurai in the crusades? Or Marine Recon in a Revolutionary or Civil War battle. Thanks again for the video.

  • @Fix_Bayonets
    @Fix_Bayonets 4 місяці тому +2

    Real hard to find vietnam war depictions without an M60 present.

  • @SS_Atlantic_Greyhound1119
    @SS_Atlantic_Greyhound1119 4 місяці тому +5

    I got this idea whilst watching a clip from the series black sails, but long story short...
    HMS Victory is present for the Battle of Actium in 31 BCE, during the final confrontation between Octavian and Mark Antony that would see the latter's death and end of any major threat to Octavian's rise to emperor of rome. How would this battle play out if HMS Victory is on the side of Mark Anthony?
    What if HMS Victory was at Actium in 31 BCE?

  • @rvnerd7671
    @rvnerd7671 4 місяці тому +12

    Absolutely love your content. Well thought out and explained so Joe Anybody could understand it. Thank you!
    Semper Fi

  • @chrislouden7329
    @chrislouden7329 4 місяці тому +5

    Remember that the natives had good cover Custer and his men didn’t

    • @roberthenry9319
      @roberthenry9319 4 місяці тому +2

      The natives attacking Reno on the south end and Custer at Medicine Tail Coulee in the middle and then on Last Stand Hill on the North end had no cover at all. The native attacks were totally offensive and not in any way defensive.

    • @kellycollier2026
      @kellycollier2026 4 місяці тому +1

      The 7 snipers associated with 2 SF PLTs would have negated the cover advantage for sure. Plus some teams also had a designated marksman per squad. That puts the ranges beyond what the Souix could have understood.

    • @jordanhicks5131
      @jordanhicks5131 4 місяці тому +2

      ​@@kellycollier2026into Billy Dixon territory. Killed a comanche warrior at 1700 yards with a 50-90 or 50-110 sharps

    • @jonwells8228
      @jonwells8228 4 місяці тому

      & many were better armed......Custer's men had mostly single shot rifles where many natives were armed with repeating lever action rifles that could fire almost a dozen shots before reloading......along with arrows raining from the sky......

    • @calneigbauer7542
      @calneigbauer7542 3 місяці тому +1

      One china lake and goodbye cover

  • @johnkaylor7205
    @johnkaylor7205 4 дні тому +2

    You haven't been to the battle site nor do you have any knowledge about what really happened. In reallity the battle that took place really happened in two places about 5 miles from each other. And very different outcomes for each. If you get the chance I recommend visiting the site and study battle tactics used at the time, you will come back with very different results.

    • @papapabs175
      @papapabs175 2 дні тому

      Using battle tactics used at the time, that is key to most of the arguments

  • @TheCerebralDude
    @TheCerebralDude 4 місяці тому +2

    Instead of Green Berets why not use the modern 7th Cavalry? They are still around you know

  • @surrelljr
    @surrelljr 4 місяці тому +2

    Pretty much lost me when they were allowed to dig in first.

  • @SlumberBear2k
    @SlumberBear2k 4 місяці тому

    these are great conversation because whether you disagree or not everyone has something to or add.

  • @hiki9911
    @hiki9911 4 місяці тому

    I would love to see a TV series about these alternate history battles.

  • @geekstradamus1548
    @geekstradamus1548 3 дні тому

    50 Green Berets - that’s four ODAs, the MAJ, and a SGM. So almost a whole company.
    That means they’d have trained up elements of the Kiowa, Commanche, Utes, and 3 other tribes, 27 towns worth of settlers, and 600 Vaqueros, and surrounded the Lakota, Arapaho, Dakota and Cheyenne encampments.
    Then negotiated with Sitting Bull, Crazy Horse, et al, from a position of strength, convincing them to join forces, move north, and carve out a new Indian nation in Alberta.

  • @ericdeforest8437
    @ericdeforest8437 4 місяці тому +4

    Probably would have had at least a few m60s in an element that size, great video tho !

  • @willhuey687
    @willhuey687 4 місяці тому +2

    How about a ww2 American tank platoon or a us cavalry regiment from the Civil War at the battle of Cannae. I say this because one of the biggest weaknesses for the Romans during the battle was weak cavalry which led to them being surrounded on all sides, which in turn caused them to be slaughtered by Hannibal Barca.

  • @serpent645
    @serpent645 4 місяці тому +6

    My team carried 390 rounds of 5.56X45 loaded in 30-round mags, plus a couple hundred more in bandoleers in the ruck.

    • @BobSmith-dk8nw
      @BobSmith-dk8nw 4 місяці тому +1

      Vietnam Era - we had 20 round magazines.
      .

    • @serpent645
      @serpent645 3 дні тому

      @@BobSmith-dk8nw yeah, no shit. The gear the boys have now is a whole different era. You're my regimental father, thanks. I wish we could meet some day.

  • @bcask61
    @bcask61 4 місяці тому +2

    How about 50 Green Berets plus Ditka?

  • @leonardswintek864
    @leonardswintek864 4 місяці тому +1

    Sitting Bull never left the village.

  • @nikobellic5198
    @nikobellic5198 4 місяці тому +2

    Custer would get fragged, lol.

  • @aldenfloyd5432
    @aldenfloyd5432 4 місяці тому +3

    This reminds me of a novel titled Remember The Alamo, in which an oil magnate hires a mercenary force armed with 1980's era weapons, to take part in and win the Battle of the Alamo. The reason was to give the oil company access to oil fields in the northern part of Mexico by pushing the U.S./Mexico further south than it actually is. It's a fun read.

    • @dirtfarmer7070
      @dirtfarmer7070 4 місяці тому +1

      I read this book in high school !

    • @thomasbraden8242
      @thomasbraden8242 4 місяці тому +1

      That was a good book.

    • @jameshorton7496
      @jameshorton7496 4 місяці тому

      I read this one also years ago. There were two other books in the same vein, where soldiers go back in time like that. One took place at Gettysburg, the other at the Little Big Horn. But there weren't 50 of them and I don't think they were Green Berets. I do recall that in the Custer one, some of them were killed. Don't remember how it ended. Same with the Gettysburg one.

    • @dirtfarmer7070
      @dirtfarmer7070 4 місяці тому

      @@jameshorton7496 I think I read the gettysburg one too. It was wierd but I think the protagonist convinced the federal general to not occupy culps hill and the confederates win the battle. He was stuck in the past, I believe. I think they had one about Chickamauga too. That was a sort of time wrinkle sort of deal. A 60s combat team ends up fighting in that battle. One survivor and he buries the weapons and commits suicide.

    • @Princess_Celestia_
      @Princess_Celestia_ 6 днів тому

      The U.S. wasn't involved at the Alamo, that was Mexicans calling themselves Texicans revolting against other Mexicans for independence. Who ever wrote that book must have failed history class.

  • @phillipg.stricklin3206
    @phillipg.stricklin3206 4 місяці тому +1

    In answer to the original question, he would have left them behind, just like he did the 2 Gatling guns he could had.

  • @paulacornelison243
    @paulacornelison243 4 місяці тому

    This issue was covered on an episode of the TWILIGHT ZONE.
    The soldiers' names were listed on the memorial. 20 modern soldiers against a thousand mobile fighting men.

  • @arapahoetactical7749
    @arapahoetactical7749 4 місяці тому +2

    Great concept but I believe that you have it wrong. Custer was an idiot and was out for glory. His mindset at the time was that he wanted to move fast, find them, fix them and kill them. The reason he chose not to take the Gatling Guns was that he didn't want them slowing him down. He was Calvary first and foremost and wouldn't take foot soldiers with him unless they were mounted on horseback. Wagons would be just as slow, if not slower than the Gatling Guns. So unless you could get these Green Berets up to speed on horseback, meaning they'd have to leave their heavier weapons like the M-60s behind. Combine this with the fact that most of the US forces were caught out in the open on rolling grass land with no cover or concealment and the fact that Custer was going to do what he felt regardless of warnings he'd received from his own staff. Regardless was the GB told him, I believe he'd have made the same stupid mistakes.
    I believe that the GBs would have made a difference and probably could have gotten some of the men out alive and certainly send many of the Indians running, I think that serving under a self centered idiot like Custer would have been a waste of these men and their abilities.

    • @claytonbenignus4688
      @claytonbenignus4688 4 місяці тому +1

      That Custer was an Idiot would not be lost on the Green Berets. Custer would have been removed from Command.

    • @Princess_Celestia_
      @Princess_Celestia_ 6 днів тому

      He only had been offered 2 gattling guns and 2 Hotchkiss repeating cannons. These are great back east with proper roads but out west the damned things where useless, they required 4 horses to pull them and teams of men to man handle them over obstacles, and the frequently rolled over during transport and the where notirious for jamming up. Ever officer experienced in fighting the natives all said the same thing: They where usless. And Custer knew that. What wasn't usless was the king cannon of the west, the Mountain Howitzer. Small enough it can be broken down and transported on the backs of 4 muels with ease. But he didn't have access to them and he was better off not taking the dead weight.
      I can't believe this is still being argued, this argument had been settled months after the battle...

    • @Princess_Celestia_
      @Princess_Celestia_ 6 днів тому

      ​@@claytonbenignus4688He wasn't an idiot, you don't make the rank of general in your 20's by being an idiot.

  • @pyeitme508
    @pyeitme508 4 місяці тому +3

    I think 48 is more accurate for 4 A-teams (12 person squad) than 50. 🤔

  • @dannyhernandez1212
    @dannyhernandez1212 3 дні тому

    I think many here aren't considering the terrain of the batttlefield. The Army was at a grave disadvantage from the start by being in open the whole time. The Natives took advantage of the hills, slopes, and gulches that they knew like the back of their hands.

  • @garyhardison9265
    @garyhardison9265 4 місяці тому +1

    You forgot about the claymores each soldier would’ve carried on patrol/ missions. 1 or more carried by each soldier would’ve given them 40 plus claymores which would have given them a huge advantage

    • @jordanhicks5131
      @jordanhicks5131 4 місяці тому

      How do you see them using the claymore mines? As a defensive perimeter for the flanks or placing them then falling back before detonating them as the enemy takes the ground?

  • @blindscience1701
    @blindscience1701 4 місяці тому

    ah yes, thank you for this. I was wondering when LBH was going to to this channel of yours. Wasnt excepting 'nam era SF guys. Still great food for thought, but, what would it be like with the gatling guns would've happen?

  • @TomScott__
    @TomScott__ 4 місяці тому +2

    General Custer becomes President Custer.

    • @san_diegan69diegan27
      @san_diegan69diegan27 4 місяці тому

      Probably, huh?

    • @mmabri
      @mmabri 4 місяці тому

      Lol, Custer wanting to become President was from an episode of Branded. The historical accuracy of this is very sketchy.

  • @mauricehinton5889
    @mauricehinton5889 4 місяці тому +1

    6-15 KIA Green Beret soldiers. 100's of Native Indian KIA

  • @alexwalker3659
    @alexwalker3659 4 місяці тому

    One of our Warriors, Green Beret was Eugene Poweshiek, Mesquakie-Sauk&Fox, he served three tours in VietNam.

  • @keithmohrhoff7443
    @keithmohrhoff7443 4 місяці тому

    Forget modern weapons. If the 50 Green Berets were allowed to make their own tactical decisions, they would’ve remained split off from Custer’s main group. Making a stand like Custer’s men did left them cut off and immobile allowing indigenous hostiles to pick and choose the engagement and control the pace of battle. If 50 Green Berets-even armed with contemporary weaponry-had remained detached from the 7th Cavalry, the indigenous hostiles would’ve found themselves caught between the two forces.

  • @theroadrunnerjarhead4109
    @theroadrunnerjarhead4109 7 днів тому

    Without modern weapons the green berets would have no chance. You’d need a brigade of troops or a division there.

  • @kennethquinnies6023
    @kennethquinnies6023 3 дні тому

    I think they might have had a few claymore mines as well.

  • @andrewstackpool4911
    @andrewstackpool4911 3 місяці тому

    There was a short story many years ago about a WW2 Army unit transported back in time by a nuclear explosion to Gettysburg. The interesting point was that some were from the North, others from the South.

  • @apolloperez8706
    @apolloperez8706 4 місяці тому

    What if Geronimo was there! The Green Berets would certainly hesitate!

  • @tomsmith3045
    @tomsmith3045 4 місяці тому

    I'm thinking maybe the Vietnam vets would have asked the question - why are we trying to attack a civilian village again? And maybe have avoided the entire mess based on superior leadership and improved morals. I'd expect better of both of those from any 1960's US soldier than we ever had from Custer.

  • @byrd-is-the-word
    @byrd-is-the-word 4 місяці тому +1

    If you are going to add hypothetical 50 Green Beret to Custer's men .. it is only fair you add 50 Sioux warriors that were trained veterans of the Rangers .. the outcome would then not change .. the 7th, Custer and the Green Beret would still have their asses handed to them by the Sioux, Cheyenne, and the Rangers .. (:))

  • @neilpk70
    @neilpk70 4 місяці тому +3

    Given the Green Berets' work with indigenous groups in Vietnam, it'd be interesting if they were on the warriors' side.

    • @davidclendening9732
      @davidclendening9732 4 місяці тому +2

      They could have supported the Blackfoot
      Which were the enemy of Lakota and Cheyenne and Arapaho
      People fail to remember that the indigenous enemy scouts were crucial in these conflicts

    • @jordanhicks5131
      @jordanhicks5131 4 місяці тому

      They are American soldiers first and foremost, they would never fight against the cavalry. Maybe they would stick with the indigenous scouts but that's about it

  • @jamesbednar8625
    @jamesbednar8625 4 місяці тому

    There was a "Twilight Zone" episode where a National Guard tank on maneuvers inadvertently found themselves going back in time. They ended up at Little Big Horn and participated in the battle, though their tank magically became unserviceable.

  • @MichaelClinton-lk2vd
    @MichaelClinton-lk2vd 4 місяці тому +2

    Suppose it depends on which side your Green Berets are attached huh?

  • @alessiodecarolis
    @alessiodecarolis 4 місяці тому +1

    The only problem would be the lack of support weapons, such as M60s, a pair of squads would've added a devastating firepower to the GBs. Naturally the grenade launchers would've been very useful, expecially from the psycholocical factor, indians knew the power of the artillery, but being shot by something that you can't see is very frightful.

  • @spokanetomcat1
    @spokanetomcat1 4 місяці тому +1

    Since these men came from the future they would have knowledge of the battle tactics coming at them and address it as well.

  • @jreese46
    @jreese46 3 дні тому

    Depends. How long do they have to train up the locals?

  • @chargerkid5
    @chargerkid5 4 місяці тому +1

    So let's forget green berets all together. Benteen shows up and he and Reno team up and are able to hold off the Indians force. 100 men with 1800's single shots would have completely changed the outcome. Or not dividing your force 2 or 3 times.

  • @nomadmarauder-dw9re
    @nomadmarauder-dw9re 4 місяці тому

    Is their support structure with them?

  • @Tracy81258
    @Tracy81258 11 днів тому

    You are assuming they would be taking Custer’s side.

  • @chriscorsi622
    @chriscorsi622 6 днів тому

    There was a twilight zone based on this

  • @craigsawicky1643
    @craigsawicky1643 4 місяці тому +1

    As long as they Ignored Custer they would fairly easily prevail. Just using Semi-Auto Rifle Fire they could keep the enemy at a distance. Since the enemy is on horses, allow them to Attack to maybe 50-100 yds before responding. No reason to make them aware of longer range abilities as long as possible. The idea would be to cause as many Casualties as possible, not scare them off to harass as the troops were Retreating/Leaving.

    • @DougthebearRichards
      @DougthebearRichards 4 місяці тому

      Most Indians entered the final battle as infantry. Only in the last stages was there a cavalry charge.

  • @1969chgoodwin
    @1969chgoodwin 4 місяці тому

    Parry This , how about the battle of Teutoburg Forest but the Roman legions have modern day special operators ( like seals or delta) for battle tactics to assist them ( not engage) and using small radio operated drones to view the battlefield

  • @BarnyDaddy
    @BarnyDaddy 4 місяці тому

    There would be 50 dead green berets! The battle at Little BIghorn lasted 22 minutes!

  • @michaelmorgan9973
    @michaelmorgan9973 4 місяці тому

    Alternate scenario: 50 Green Berets, but they have to use the weapons of the era. Or: Custer's men (or at least some, at the battle) armed with modern weapons and trained to use them.

  • @TheMartymar1976
    @TheMartymar1976 4 місяці тому

    If John Wayne was with the Green Berets there, it would have been an insta win..❤

  • @dutchflats
    @dutchflats 4 місяці тому

    Sitting Bull didn't actually engage in combat at the Battle of the Little Bighorn, he stayed in the village. Crazy Horse and Chief Gall among others led the fight on the Indian's side.

  • @topcatandgang
    @topcatandgang 4 місяці тому

    approximately 7,000 Lakota, Cheyenne, and Arapaho, including 1,500-2,000 warriors, are encamped below along the Little Bighorn River. the green berets would run out of ammo first.

  • @rodf.7849
    @rodf.7849 4 місяці тому

    Almost every picture or drawing of the modern solders shows an M60 light machine gun. Yet, you didn't include a 60 gunner in your load out.

  • @CMDRScotty
    @CMDRScotty 4 місяці тому

    So, the Twlight Zone episode.

  • @stevenator0281
    @stevenator0281 13 днів тому

    This would have been over in fifteen minutes.

  • @jamescottrell7367
    @jamescottrell7367 4 місяці тому

    Once rapid fire began the indians would have backed off in awe.

  • @johnborio4470
    @johnborio4470 4 місяці тому

    By the way - there was a Twilight Zone Episode (S5 : E10) "On June 25, 1964, three Army National Guard soldiers on maneuvers near the Little Big Horn battle site find themselves unwittingly involved in Custer's Last Stand" (IMDB).

  • @josephstabile9154
    @josephstabile9154 14 днів тому

    Yeah, and if pigs could fly...
    BTW, by ALL accounts, Sitting Bull, as elder spiritual leader, did not actually participating in the battle, but remained in the village. So, I don't think he gets picked off in the battle.

  • @jamessimms415
    @jamessimms415 4 місяці тому

    I guess so long as the Green Berets didn’t wear Arrow Shirts like Custer & his men wore, they’d be ok

  • @chriscorsi622
    @chriscorsi622 6 днів тому

    That’s a saluter

  • @sandhill9313
    @sandhill9313 4 місяці тому

    50 at once would probably be the biggest SF gathering ever, even in post war reunions, for specialists that operated in handful size groups 🙂. I'd expect even just one SF non-com to say "No, we're not going to do this." Smart observation and assessment was generally their specialty, and getting ambushed would not be in their game plan.

  • @DougthebearRichards
    @DougthebearRichards 4 місяці тому

    Hmm, the Indians had Winchester repeaters, effective single target range of 250m, Spencers, with an effective range of 500m, the Henry had an effective range of 200m, but had a 15 round magazine (think rapid fire - like a 19th c assault rifle. Once the Indians had realised the range of the weapons they were up against they could have simply stayed at range, under cover, and sniped at the Army forces. Arrows were also loosed by Indians from behind cover, in high trajectory and the archers would not have been visible to the soldiers and virtually impossible to fire back at.
    The other thing to remember is this, Custer had 250 troopers, plus 50 modern troops. That is still only 300 troops. There were about 1200 Indian warriors. Every ten men lost from the Army forces was around 3% of total forces. The Indians could afford higher casualties. Once Custer's forces had been attrited by about 20% capacity would really have started to break down.

  • @darkgelfling
    @darkgelfling 4 місяці тому

    I have a crazy what if for you
    What if a platoon of US Marines World War II error went back in time and fought with Spartacus at the Battle of the Silarius River?
    I think that would be a crazy one

  • @DanBeech-ht7sw
    @DanBeech-ht7sw 4 дні тому

    It would be interesting to see how Sitting Bull would deploy his 50 green berets to best effect. In fact, they might have been enough to hurl the settlers ba k over the mississipi

  • @davidnemoseck9007
    @davidnemoseck9007 4 місяці тому

    50 might have been a bit to many for this one, IMO, but still liked it.

  • @j.chriswatson6847
    @j.chriswatson6847 4 місяці тому

    In other words, the SF saved Custer for his courts-martial for disobeying orders and advancing without support.

    • @RexBell303
      @RexBell303 4 місяці тому

      That wasn’t entirely his fault. The Rosebud battle caused Crook to retreat south toward modern day Sheridan. The battle was about a week before and was the same village. Custer should have been informed of it, but never was.

  • @michaelshea4372
    @michaelshea4372 2 місяці тому

    🤣 the green berets wouldn’t have been stupid enough to listen to the guy

  • @mikeyosten603
    @mikeyosten603 4 місяці тому

    I would have included helicopters for mobility and claymore mines for their defensive position but it's a great what if question

  • @henrypeterson1981
    @henrypeterson1981 7 днів тому

    Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse were with the Elders and Children. They were not involved in the Little Bighorn Battle.

  • @loganbaker35
    @loganbaker35 4 місяці тому

    Hey, please can you try the modern French Foreign Legion holding the Ardennes against the Wehrmacht in the Battle of France? Please, I think this will be a competitive battle and could go either way.

  • @xgford94
    @xgford94 4 місяці тому

    2:51 so you are making the SAME Mistake NO Gatling Gun and NO M60 5:58 centre screen 6:25 and again 7:27 again 8:30 again 10:29 one more

  • @FoxofMaysville
    @FoxofMaysville 10 днів тому

    The Twilight Zone: The 7tth is Made Up of Phantoms (1963). A tank crew of an M5 Stuart find themselves at the Battle of the Little Big Horn. Did not end well for the tank crew who did not bring up their Stuart. For reason?

  • @48samari
    @48samari Місяць тому

    I will interject one thing into this battle and not even use the modern soldiers. Custer had 4 Gatling guns at his disposed but didn't bring them along. Had he brought them, the same devastation that the Green Berets would have inflicted with the use of those weapons alone. Just a thought. Besides, Custer was an idiot for splitting his forces without knowing the disposition of his enemy.

  • @claytonbenignus4688
    @claytonbenignus4688 4 місяці тому

    Custer would have been relieved of command. The Green Berets would find an American Indian from among their number to negotiate under a Flag of Truce. There would be a Just Peace with Zero Casualties.

  • @johnfalcon84
    @johnfalcon84 4 місяці тому

    ....Green Berets befriend and train the Crow, Blackfeet, and Pawnee to defeat the other tribes.