+PetriN94 I agree. I don't hate the people I care for, but I'm misanthropic. To many who know me, they know this. But to a lot of new people who meet me they don't know. But I just don't like the human race. I think we as a species are overrated. We've had plenty of good things/achievements. But that is no excuse for the bad/terrible things we've done or are doing currently. So yeah, I completely understand Rob as well.
Oh, good. You people. I hate this new "it's cool to be misanthropic" trend. It's fine if you are, but it doesn't inherently make you cooler or more intelligent.
+rapsody230 That's no excuse. Spider-Man wasn't a titular character in CW (merely appearing in two scenes), and Superman is the entire focus of the film in BvS.
SPOILERS: Thank you guys for going in depth about Zemo! I've actually heard people say that they loved Civil War but felt that Zemo was an unnecessary and lackluster villain, and I'm like "Open your eyes!!!" He is the theme of the movie made manifest; the instrument of their destruction which THEY created. He broke the Avengers apart, and he didn't need magic, an alien/robot army, or an Infinity Stone to do it. When that guy asks him how it feels that everything he planned failed and he answered "Did it?" I LOST MY SHIT! You realize that he won, because by the end of the movie they're still broken and divided. I also believe this movie will serve as an origin story of sorts for Zemo, and that we may see more of him in the future... ~_~
+Majin Sole My only problem with Zemo being the Villain is that he isn't this small time in the comics and its even debatable if he isn't more dangerous then the Red Skull. It felt like there wasn't a need for Zemo to be Zemo other then the name drop, he could have been just anyone and the movie would have been the same.
+Riko Wolfin who knows, maybe there's still a chance to see a more comic book-like Zemo. O mean, he did survive the film. Besides, I think that just like this movie, it's nothing like the comics, but it was just amazing in its own way. The same can be said about Zemo. This isn't Zemo from the comics, just like this isn't Civil War from the comics, but I really liked him. (maybe future masters of evil leader?)
ComanderScar The thing is that while Civil War isn't the same as the comics its still the same basic story with the same basic characters, they don't change into completely different iterations of themselves between mediums. But with Zemo here he isn't anything like the Baron, hell he isn't even a Baron in this! He doesn't even seem like a bad guy ether, he was even ready to die for the things he did so its hard to see him go from that to the villain that puts together the masters of evil ( Because he doesn't do things because evil ) or making plots to take over the world as shown with murdering the five super soldiers that might have been stronger then Bucky and Capt. Maybe he could come back when the Avengers reform to put together a team that is focused on destroying them but even then its kinda hard to see this version of Zemo doing that.
Riko Wolfin maybe, but he still could become the Zemo from the comics. Eventually. Besides, we have to see how as a villain for this movie he was great. Maybe not as Zemo, but I loved him.
ComanderScar As a villain he wasn't that great, the great thing about him was how nothing he really was and how he didn't do anything spectacular because he couldn't and didn't want to do anything spectacular, he just wanted to hurt the people that hurt him and he did that. He is great as a plot device to get everything set up for movies like black panther and spider-man but as a villain you could have stuck any random military guy and he would have served the same purpose, there wasn't a reason for him to be Zemo and thats the problem.
+Digital Knight the last act in civil war was so unexpected and awesome. It could have been easily another team up with 3 heroes against a bad guy and those 5 villains but instead it became way more intense by friend against friend
Elderly aunt may never made sense if peter was in high school. Aunt May and Uncle Ben should be roughly the same age band as peter´s parents, not be super elderly.
+skyranger144 Also you can say "Tony Stark hit on aunt May" without it being ridicolous. That sentence alone is worth of a casting choice on a (pretty small, in this move) three-lines part.
+skyranger144 It's not really that uncommon for siblings to be many years apart, and even if they are a bit closer, Aunt May could have just grayed earlier.
That was the only flaw of the early Spider-Man comics. Aunt may was annoying she was always almost dying was so out of date. It was almost like oh boy aunt may again. I'm fine with her being out of date. But her not always dying Is much better.
I was always confused about how 15 yea old Peter Parker has an 80 something year old aunt, who was still alive and actually doing shit when he's 25 or so. Marisa Tomei is in her 50s so it makes a lot more sense to me, especially going forward.
My Grandmother on my Mother's side had 5 sisters, and I called them all "Aunt". So I grew up with old ladies as aunts and it never occurred to me to question why Aunt May was so old. I thought all Aunts were old.
I wish people would stop thinking Aunt Mae is too young. She's old enough to be a contemporary teenagers Aunt. 40-50 year old. How many women that age have poodle perms and grey hair, walking around in a cardigan? In fact MY mother doesn't even dress that old in her sixties! It's have to be his Grandma or Great Grandmother to style that old. She's not "cool aunt Mae", she's a middle aged women, who isn't being held to twenty year old fashion standards.
+Princeducielruka Marisa Tomei isn't too young to be an aunt. She's portrayed as too young to be THE Aunt May. It is part of the character that she is old enough for Peter to be worried about her health fairly constantly. And, it is part of Aunt May's character that she's so old that she's too conservative to accept his powers or heroics. (Or, at least Peter worries she is.)
You can be conservative and have bad health while being younger. Those are not age mile stones. Also not wanting your teenage nephew to run head first into danger is a thing! My Dad at the same age had health issues and my brothers antics certainly made us worry once or twice that he'd triggered a stroke or heart attack. Still not buying that Aunt Mae has to be old enough to be his great grandmother to make sense.
people are just kicking off because in the Civil War comic she was an old woman in a relationship with Jervis (who at the time was Tony's butler and not an AI), in fact most versions are an old helpless woman, even in all the films (Toby's trilogy). Fanboys just hate the change.
I don't understand why people wanted Captain America to die like the comic. We all know he'll return during Infinity War. Killing Cap off would be pointless & cheap shock value.
If I saw Superman and Captain America die in the same year knowing full well that both would come back, I think I would die a little inside. Bravo, Marvel. Deaths aren't the only way to achieve a dramatic conclusion. Do it when it serves the story you're trying to tell.
+The Juan Mendoza the russos directed some community so yes they are dropping some of their friends in. surprised they haven't squeezed dan harmon in somewhere.
Sorry, but no. If they killed Cap in this movie just to bring him back in a later one, I'd be pissed. Partly because it would make his death in Civil War meaningless once they brought him back, and would hurt the replay value of the film. Also because we've had too many fake deaths already at this point in the Marvel movies. From now on, if someone dies, they should stay dead. Death needs to have weight, not just be something that is easily reversible for any major character.
+ConsoleCrashersShow I agree it was good that they didn't kill steve, especially after how meaningless superman's death was in BvS. The real casualty was tony and steve's relationship and the avengers being fractured, with steve and his friends on the run as fugitives. It had a better emotional impact. The scene where tony tells steve that he doesn't deserve the shield cuz his father made and he drops it on the ground gave me the feels.
That's just CBM's. Coulson and Superman are basically the same thing now. Also, people complaining about Marvel villains, but what about the DC villains? Zod? Doomsday? Luthor?
The scene with Sam and Bucky sitting in the car smiling like dumbasses at Steves kiss with Sharon was perfectly on spot. Buckys thoughts: Seems like the little boy who was nervous around women finally grew up huh ;) Sams thoughts: HEY HEY HEY goooood job man, was about damn time xD I would have loved a scene with the two teasing Cap over Sharon.
I think the 50 year old aunt is much better than the 70 old aunt we got in the original Spiderman movies. 1. It probably means that Ben wasn't quite old enough to retire, so she will probably have to have a job for awhile and it might push Peter to have to get a job to help support her. One of the best things about Spiderman is that he has to juggle other things with his superheroing, and this could push him to work for the Bugle by his second movie.2. It makes more sense age wise to have an aunt around the age of his parents. This makes it so that she probably had a better relationship with her sister/brother and would have been more likely to take Peter in.3. If/when they want to do a storyline with Aunt May, she will most likely be alive and healthy enough to act. And if they decide to do one of the "Aunt May falls for the villain" storylines, the villain will be closer to her age as well.
I have to disagree with Rob on not caring for Bucky in Winter Soldier. That last scene on the Helicarrier with the whole 'You're my mission!' and 'I'm with you to the end of the line' stuff turned me into a sobbing mess. I was watching it on my laptop and bawling my fucking eyes out. The lines were a bit over-dramatic but Stan's acting...he was so good. That expression he had when he realised...
What is up with the Avengers hate Rob? My favorite quote about this movie is ''it is not great in spite of being the 13th marvel movie, it is great because of that''. This movie wouldn't have been nearly as sweet if we didn't have multiple fun, lighthearted movies about these guys. It is like The Dark Knight Returns. It is not just the story that makes it great, it is all the stories we have seen with Batman before, so when we see this way darker turn it is both refreshing and cool.
I don't understand people saying Tomei is too young. Yes, in the comics she's much older, but as I understand it she's supposed to be about the same age as Peter's parents. Tom Holland is 19 playing an even younger Peter. Tomei is 51. That would put Peter's parents at roughly 30 when they had Peter. Is that really so implausible for people? Honestly, the way she's portrayed in the comics she looks more like Peter's great-aunt.
I'm fine with Marisa Tomei as Aunt May. I think in Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon, Aunt May kind of the same like in this movie. It was not the old grandma Aunt May and it's make sense for me bcuz I think the chemistry will make more sense with very young Peter Parker and 45-50s Aunt May and I'm fine with that. I'm done with all the older style Aunt May and now we get fresh with new take on the character, really excited for Spider-Man Homecoming.
+Hunter VanderZwaag She has to be older than 51. Because in order for her to be 51, she would have had to have Richard Parker at the age of 18, then Richard would have had Peter by the time he was 18. 18+18+15=51 because Peter starts off bitten at the age of 15. It's a little unrealistic to say that they had to have had kids at 18, or at least both of them.
BlueDwarfMC I confuse the two all the time because usually it's the woman that takes on the man's last name, rarely the other way around, but either way just replace the names and the math still adds up that she's probably older than 51.
I'm a DC fan. More so than Marvel. And this makes me cry to see this happen to DC over and over again... Man of Steel? Boring. BvS? You've got to be kidding me. Suicide Squad? Tolerable, at best. Godspeed, Geoff Johns. It's up to you now... Seriously though, Civil War was excellent.
+Leo Liu She isn't, as long as that high schooler isn't Peter Parker. Aunt May is old in the comics for a reason. It plays a big part in her character.
I have to say, I didn't mind Aunt May being that age. The actress, Marissa Tomei, is in her 50s while Peter is a teen. To me, that works for his "origin" situation. Sure, Marissa Tomei looks a bit younger but I don't mind that. They cast someone who's an excellent actor of an appropriate age. That she doesn't look like May in the comics or previous movie versions, is okay with me.
This talk makes me realize how much the MCU NEEDS Dr. Doom. If the Marvel can get back the rights to Dr. Doom, the MCU will have the villain it needs to really shake things up.
SMOSHOO You know what: a movie like that would be totally awesome, but I think a concept like that would work best as a cartoon movie. It would be fun with lots more action and we wouldn't need to take it too seriously. Then we also won't have to worry about actors or who owns what property.
I'm not entirely sure whether I like this more than Age of Ultron, but damn I struggle to think of any problems I have with this film. I even love the villain, which so far has only happened with Loki, Ultron, Fisk and Kilgrave. Frankly I can understand the people calling it Marvel's best.
oh yes! this movie did three things right: -Handled an ensemble cast very well -Did the villain really well. he is easily the best they have. he broke the Avengers! -Great writing and characterization ( especially Black Panther)
+Egie Asemota The cheorography in the fight scenes!!! FREAKING GALORE!!!! and what i love is they respected both fans of the comics and the people who have just watched the MCU... both communities can enjoy this movie to the fullest!!!!
age of ultron is a mess for me. The story is so simple, it has cool fight scenes in it but nothing really compelling to me. I think bvs and age of ultron are on the same level for me. Civil war did such a better job
I can't agree with that at all. To me BvS has no coherent themes or story for as complex as its plot is, whereas AoU has a relatively straightforward plot but themes that have a solid bearing on the characters (who are likable where BvS' aren't) and ideas that reward you for looking at them deeper.
Personally, I liked the younger Aunt May. It never made much sense to me that his mother's sister would be roughly 30-40 years older than her. The comics always made her look more like his grandmother rather than his aunt. Which could work because I could see someone wanting to be called Aunt rather than Grand-mom all the time. But then the comics pointed out that she was his mothers sister after that the Grand-mom type just didn't work anymore, especially not for a young teenage Peter.
white america's worst nightmare Ahh, as in Aunt Babe. Okay, brain being a little slow this morning. Am kind of curious how Bae came to mean that. I mean if you look it up it actually mean excrement in some languages.
+Jason Norris Its pretty interesting that in a movie with Scarlett Johansson, Elizabeth Olsen, and Emily VanCamp, everyone is talking about how freaking hot Aunt May was. And we only saw her head and sitting on a couch. Like... hot damn.
Commander_Ninja lol, agreed. I think in a way it was because she was unexpected for some people. When I went in to the movie I didn't even know she was in it, I knew Spider-Man was in it but I didn't know Aunt May was in it or who was playing her.
Doug just making funny faces for the first minute *ajusts glasses, strokes face, stretches mouth, flashes his recently whitened teeth, mouthing stuff to his brother Rob*
I loved the fact that CA: CW didn't pull a Doomsday/Venom trick to try and get everyone fighting on the same side at the end. It was a gutsy twist to have Zemo killing the Super Soldiers rather than reanimating them at the end, that would've been a cliche Marvel happy ending. It also strengthened the Zemo character for me too, he had more centered goals and actually achieved them by the end of the movie with out having to resort to a major collateral damage/disaster porn set up, far more intelligent and satisfying.
The Sokovia accords on their own weren't divisive enough to generate that wedge as a plot device and Zemo's entire plan was an adjustment on a previous step. At the start he was waterboarding the former Hydra Agent for the location of the super soldier serum/winter soldier footage, if he'd got it then he wouldn't have needed Bucky, but he didn't so he posed as Bucky to draw him out and plotted his way in as the Shrink/electromagnet etc. to get what he needed. He arranged that the body and disguise would be found by the arranged call via long distance to the hotel. If he hadn't have got Tony to follow or be mad he was still behind the inpenetrable glass while they were secured in the silo and could've got away or shot himself, had he not planned on black panther being there. Had Tony not followed he probably would've simply fed exed the tape to avengers HQ and adjusted his plan further. These aren't so much happy coincidences as re-evaluating startegies. The thing that did bother me is why the character had to be Zemo, they could have just made a brand new character and saved Zemo for later. Other than that given the overall nature of Comic Book Movies, I'm prepared to put up with a few happy coincidences, I mean we're hardly talking Schindler's List here, just as long as I can't drive articulated lorries through the plot points. Sorry if it faltered too much for you though, peace :)
2:52 Well Doug, it's actually quite simple. When the people making the movie actually CARE about their film, this is what happens. It's a collaborative effort that requires every person on set to be as passionate as the next. For some reason, I get the feeling this is more of a job to the people involved at this point. They're pretty much set for life, I doubt they'd continue if they didn't care.
+Maria Kaleigh My friend and I was talking about how many people were involved in making it while we waited for the post cred. scenes. ... Nice set your dad helped make, btw.
"Aunt" May has always looked wrong to me. She has always been drawn or cast more as a grandma than an aunt. This interpretation actually makes the Aunt part make sense.
Hey Walker Bros, just a note! The "choppy" look that the fight scenes have are most likely achieved by increasing the shutter speed over normal. It doesn't actually drop frames. It helps by making every frame clear with no motion blur, as you guys mentioned.
+Michelle Lehto The guy who plays Dr. Watson on Sherlock was in Civil War. Half of me just wants him and Benedict to meet up in the movie because I know they were also both in a Hobbit movie, I haven't seen it but I know they were.
+Jacob Stewart Although it true that actor is 51 years old But did you find any normal person with 51 years old look like that she look like in late 30-40 if no one tell her age who can guess
It's worth noting that RDJ did this movie even though it's not in his contract, he was brought on from a creative standpoint and agreed to do it because he liked the story. Solid move.
I went into Civil War never having seen a single Cap.Am. movie, not having seen Ultron, never having read the comics. It still got me. I still understood all the things they were talking about. That's how refined the pacing is in this one. Also, as complicated as everything looks, the story is actually very simple, and that simplicity shone brightly throughout the film. Thank, film, for taking the time to tell me an awesome story.
On the subject of "Aunt MILF" May Parker is supposed the be the wife of Ben Parker (Uncle Ben). Ben Parker is Richard Parker's brother. Richard and Mary had a son (Peter) in their late-20's or early 30's. Peter Parker is 16 in Captain America: Civil War. If Ben and May were only 2 or 3 years older than Richard and Mary, that would put Ben and May in their late 40's to early 50's. Marisa Tomei is 51 years old. She is very attractive, but that doesn't change the fact that she is the perfect age to be Aunt May. Portraying Aunt May as a 70 - 80 year old "grandmother" type role is more unbelievable than Marisa Tomei.
The only complaint I could think of about Civil War was that Vision felt like a near no-show for much of the actual battle. It was just weird for such a powerful character to feel so useless for so much of that battle...especially considering his action earlier in the movie and his error towards the end of that battle.
Best MCU movie so far, but my problem is the movie edges you into supporting Cap, but I was with Tony the whole time and the ending only cemented it for me... Sorry Doug Tom Holland blows Andrew Garfield out of the water.
J- Rich I wasn't, sure the accords are extreme and Ross is a asshole, but he does have a point. If Wanda can kill a dozen people by accident while trying to save one dude and Vison can accidentally paralyses a guy he wasn't even aiming at. I won't even go into what Bucky did but regardless he does deserve to be locked up if he not even gonna faced his crimes. Really they should just called it *Marvel's Civil War* but Cap needed a trilogy...
Li-Li Mandragon eh in the movie's defense they don't solely put one side in the wrong i was team cap in the beginning of the film but as i watched it i do see where tony is coming from that superheroes need to be put in check but like like cap i do believe the government would put restrictions on where they could/could not fight and more people would die in those areas they would not act.
J- Rich I wanted to agree with Cap but I hated Bucky even at he start of the movie and Tony got Spidey (my favorite) on his side. And in the ending I was happy to let Tony rip Bucky a new asshole
I watched this movie yesterday, and it has the heart and soul of the comic in a different well-organised story. I was totally invested in this movie; I also feared this movie would finish with an open ending, but when "the final third" was close (climax of the Avengers battle) I realised there was half an hour left; I think that's Marvel magic in the majority of their movies, they perfectly manage to tie everything into quarters (Intro, two-act conflict and ending). Besides, it had a perfect kind-of-a-open ending which suggests Avengers 3, I loved this movie.
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+Demon Emperor Void Swag INT. WALT DISNEY STUDIOS, BURBANK - NIGHT A terrified KEVIN FEIGE approaches a small, shadowy figure with its back to him, sitting atop a throne of gold bars and one hundred dollar bills. FEIGE: Twentieth Century Fox. They are not the cowering wretches we were promised. They stand. They are unruly, and therefore cannot be ruled. The figure stands up and Feige bows. FEIGE: To challenge them, we must court...Deadpool. The figure turns slightly, coming into the light and revealing itself to be MICKEY MOUSE, a shit-eating grin on his face.
I rewatched this recently and I still love this movie. It's my 2nd favorite film from 2016. I'm also impressed with what they had to do in this film and they made it work. It wasn't a clusterfuck, the action was excellent, and the acting was top notch. While some characters aren't necessary story wise like Antman, Spider-Man, or Hawkeye. They still did entertaining bits with them so your like. "I know your not exactly necessary but I don't care!" I also think is Zemo is one of Marvels best villains yet in what he represents and unlike most villains he achieved what he wanted at the end.
+Tim Crowder I watched an interview with Stan Lee. During this he said that Aunt May was old for a reason. She is supposed to be someone who Spiderman at least thinks of as frail so that he is always worrying about. And she did have some serious health issues for a while in the comics.
+J- Rich it's so pathetic that DC adapted one of their best comics (DKR) into a movie and it turned out to be complete fucking dog shit, Marvel adapted one of their worst comics ever published (CW) and it turned out to be their best movie
+grkpektis ikr! Civil war is the only comic from marvel i wasnt really a fan of and the dark knight returns is not my favorite but definately in my top 10 and Civil war was the 10x better movie
+grkpektis the only problem i have with civil war was i still think cap or someone should have died but the movie still works way better then batman v superman and for me is the best mcu film right now
One thing that BvS did better than Civil War is the crowd response. In BvS, there was a lot of people who feared and resented Superman, but there were also some people who thanked and praised him. And at the end the film, there was a great monument that says "If your looking for a Monument, look around you" thereby saying that the people alive are Superman's legacy. But in Civil War, all they concentrated on was the people who hated and resented the Avengers, but never did they once show us fans of the Avengers or the thousands of people in Sokovia who the Avengers did SAVE. Not the family that Iron Man saved in a bathtub, not the people who Captain America and Thor saved from falling over the edge or the mother of the kid that Hawkeye saved and Quicksilver sacrifice himself to protect both of them, not a single sense of gratitude. I know overall it's not that essential, and it did show us the casualties, but I believe showing gratitude, as well as resentment, does give us better perspective.I hope Marvel picks up on this. So that's my opinion on the one thing that DC did better than Marvel. What are you thoughts?
This douche I know who's got a degree in film said the script in BvS was as bad as Steel. If you consider those 2 films equally bad go ahead but even in Steel it had Sparky. But BvS had much better written SCENES. And the R Rated version will be even better written.
+TheGTunit7 Garrett Tatum I totally agree with this. If the Avengers didn't do anything, how many more casualties would there have been? In Winter Soldier, if Cap and company didn't intervene, millions would have died. Like Cap said, you try to save as many people as you can, but that doesn't mean you can save everyone.
One of my nitpicks about the movie is that the examples Ross uses to show the Avengers of their destruction isn't really all that convincing once you think about it. Without their intervention, New York would be a nuclear wasteland, a lot of people would have been shot down by those helicarriers in DC, you can blame Tony for Ultron but let's not forget that Ultron was about to drop a meteor on Earth before they stopped him. Oh and without Wanda's intervention in Civil War, a lot of people would've died on the ground too so it's really not her fault. Also, how are the Sokovia Accords supposed to fix all this?
+EX7Sonic Yeah that was my thought on that scene too. Especially with the helicarriers from Winter Soldier - how the hell was any of that Cap's fault (or any other Avenger's)? That was all SHIELD/Hydra's fault. And what exactly was the alternative solution - just wait for them to kill millions of people?
Exactly and the more I think about it, the only reason they were able to take down Hydra there was BECAUSE Cap was operating without government regulations.
+Philippe Gabriel I both see all your points, and agree with the premise that you are sharing about Ross, and the government's position; however, It is EXACTLY how real governments would react. Not that they were in the wrong saving all those people, but who gave you the right to come into our country in the first place. governments want to control everything, and the nature of this MCU and any super-powered reality is that the heroes first and primary motivation is to save and protect, not comply, and petition.
+Romelo1988 Having said that, believe me I am NOT agreeing with the Ross position. It is the nature of the hero to run toward danger, when he/she sees the danger!
True but remember that this is coming from a villian, so obviously he'd fudge the truth about things, it is very clear he's not a big fan of the Avengers.
What a time to be alive. Being a comic book nerd for 20 years, even thought this movie is a farcry from the civil war comic, it is believable in the context of the mcu and is actually satisfying to watch how they interpret a 100+ issue comic book line. Batman V Superman was a chore to sit through with the occasional kiss on the ass from Batman to make the pain i was feeling better.
@41:05 I am that guy Rob. I haven't read any comics and avoided all trailers for this movie to prevent spoilers, and I had that exact reaction when the son of the king became black panther (who I didn't even know was an actual superhero). It was such a cool moment when this random guy in a black suit shows up hunting down Bucky, and then after getting caught takes off his mask to reveal he's the son of the king, making his line about killing the man responsible for his father's death really sink in. I gotta say avoiding all trailers and even the comics is the best way to go into these movies when you know you're going to buy the ticket anyways.
doesn't make it any less exciting for those of us who have followed the comics for years. To finally see Black Panther on screen and done right is quite exciting
LaughingOwlKiller I didn't mean it in a way where you can't fully appreciate the movie after reading the comics. I just meant its cool to not know the original story because that way the whole thing is new.
so, he still reated aunt may too old. spiderman is my favorite character, but that doesn't change his flaws. aunt may as portrayed in the 616 universe is way too old to be peter's aunt.
Tomei must be loving the "too young" comments xD also I am used to cool aunt may since some of the cartoons had a less grandma aunt may and more active matured woman aunt may
+Duke Spubber its far better to have her be older (and yeah they do explain why in the comics) they literally cast someone younger just to make "shes hot" jokes.
SuperMicklovin But it's not like Marissa Tomei is some young 20's actress, she is over 50. And Parker is only 15. It's far more believable that May was in her late 30's when her sister had a kid, especially if they expect May to love long enough to see Peter become an adult. Considering Homecoming apparently takes place 2 years after Civil War, they're probably going to have Spidey grow up (and likely join Stark Industries, perhaps taking over in Phase 4) and it's unbelievable to expect an old lady to stay an old lady for that long a time. That's how you get idiotic shit like One More Day. Plus, Marissa Tomei has previous chemistry with Robert Downey Jr. There's literally no negative to this whatsoever other than fanboy jizzing.
Civil War is faultless to me. Everything it does, it does right. It either makes sense within the movie, or makes sense with information built from previous movies. The music is great. The visuals are great. The characters are great. The motivations are there. Anything that may seem out of places is handled gracefully. The story is great. It has repercussions for the greater MCU. It has a successful origin story while juggling other 15 characters! Tony Stark is a tour de force in this movie. Steve Rogers has never been more enticing. The villain has a place that success! Civil War is a masterpiece.
i honestly think that the 30-45 min of screen time spiderman had.... i think that this is the best on screen spiderman ive seen yet. i can see where people are coming from saying he talks too much and whatnot but that is one of the things that i love about him. this just makes me want to see a spiderman/deadpool tie in movie even more.
DC should have gotten Bruce Timm to write BvS. He's already done two great stories dealing with the theme of people being afraid of superheroes, the Cadmus arc on Justice League, and Justice League: Gods and Monsters.
+KingOfMadCows problem is, even today animation is still underestimated and is considered kids stuff, that is not what producers want in their dark, gritty and joyless DCCU, that's the main reason the first directors of flash and aquaman walked out on the projects saying they had to many creative disagreements.
Everyone always talks about cap dying in Civil War comics, but I have them all and he is still alive in the end. He gets arrested at the end, not shot. Him getting shot happens AFTER Civil War.
Big paragraph. As a big Marvel (and DC) fan, I love the movie way more than the comic. That is because I prefer heroes to have hard times but not change to completely different characters. If that is about to happen anytime then always make it be a what if story. Not the main one. Ironman in this movie was so heartbroken and then went full avenging character in the end and it was so well demonstrated. Captain America was really the most senile and calm person in the whole movie. He has seen what Hydra did and others like them can do. He also knew that Bucky did those things but must not be pummeled by Ironman. What's the point of be an enforcer of justice and peace if you are gonna pummel everyone like a tyrant, like a rageful monster Ironman was about to become. The point is to arrest and stop them without the act of this taking a heavy toll on your values. Now that I rewatch the past MCU phases they really did all of these characters Justice with this movie. Not all these heroes took the problem seriously, nor there was a heavy politics view in their dialogues which was the specific magic the movie has for me. Ant-Man helped because he was a fan of Cap and had a past with Falcon Spiderman had literally his first appearance in the suit (which explains why he loses against Captain) and wants to prove himself upon the characters he loves as the kid he is. All of his existence in the movie is a big coming of age and a reference to young Steve Rogers and Ironman's 1 Stark. It was also great of how he sparred with Captain like he was his mentor. Black Panther. Oh god Russo brothers. Boseman's character is the best among the great highlights in the movie. Instead of being a rageful avenger in the whole movie he had a powerful perception of events. He never attacks Black Widow, nor he interferes in the snow base. Instead he takes his time understanding events and then of how revenge eats you alive and then arrests Zemo. He earns the respect of the audience by having an origin and character development inside a movie that isn't even his own. Finally I am glad they left Captain's death out of this and instead went directly for Agent Rogers and his team of secret Avengers. Let Captain die as a hero in the Infinity Wars. Not now.
Ranking of The Marvel Cinematic Universe Movies 1 Civil War 2 Winter Solider 3 Iron Man 4 Guardian of the Galaxy 5 Avengers 6 Ant Man 7 Captain America First Avenger 8 Age of Ultron 9 Iron Man 3 10 Iron Man 2 11 Hulk 12Thor 13 Thor The Dark World
+ZR J-Ro my ranking for the DCEU 1. Mediocrity 2. Man of steel 3. Shit 4. Batman v superman hopefully Suicide squad is amazing so DC can get out of the slump there currently in
I remember everybody walking out after the film ended and they were all saying how happy they were that they saw the film and saying how much they want to see the film again. The last time I walked out of a cinema surrounded by people being so happy that they saw a film was Ant-Man and some people were even applauding as the credits rolled when they revealed the Wasp outfit.
I think that I like it better that Cap didn't die exactly because it wouldn't feel like one of those classical comic book hero deaths that are supposed to shock people. It would really just have soured the experience and degraded the message that you can stand what you believe in and still be friends with those that disagree with you. Which is something that I need cuz of how a friend and me recently broke up after a rather political argument. Not that I think that my friendship can get back together (all bridges were burned there), but knowing that even though that friendship is gone for what I think, not all friendships are that flimsy. If Steve Rogers died, we'd have gotten the pathos, but at the cost of the tone of the rest of the movie. EDIT: Also, a lot of people talk about this movie as though this encompassed the whole of Civil War. It may be called "Civil War", but it only sets up the beginning. Civil War can be neatly split between when they are all still in disagreement, but not bloodthirsty and everything that happens after the Thor-Clone kills Goliath. If you killed Captain America, you'd have that same tonal shift of the death of Goliath, but none of the build-up or pay-off. Right now, we are still building up the stakes of the disagreement between one side and the other on good terms. In the movies to come, we can set the tone for what happens when one side goes too far.
I love this movie! Watch it! As for Marvel animated series... What about The Spectacular Spider man or Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes? Those are really good.
Zemo just wasn't the same to me without the royal garb and the purple spandex mask. Imagine the gritty tone of his presence in the movie but with the old costume. Nobody would question it, for nobody questions Baron Zemo
''I don't discriminate race, religion. I just hate all people'' I feel Rob on a personal level.
+PetriN94 I agree. I don't hate the people I care for, but I'm misanthropic. To many who know me, they know this. But to a lot of new people who meet me they don't know. But I just don't like the human race. I think we as a species are overrated. We've had plenty of good things/achievements. But that is no excuse for the bad/terrible things we've done or are doing currently.
So yeah, I completely understand Rob as well.
+Neil Ganti Edgy.
I agree on this point.
So much agreement!
Oh, good. You people. I hate this new "it's cool to be misanthropic" trend. It's fine if you are, but it doesn't inherently make you cooler or more intelligent.
Fun fact.
Spider-Man in Civil War had more lines of dialogue than Superman in Batman v Superman. Tom Holland had 47 lines, Henry Cavill had 43.
+Commander_Ninja To be fair Spiderman character is supposed to be talking a LOT even when he should shut up.
+rapsody230 But a side character had more lines than a title character, who in retrospect was a side character in his own movie.
+rapsody230 That's no excuse. Spider-Man wasn't a titular character in CW (merely appearing in two scenes), and Superman is the entire focus of the film in BvS.
Ronster822 I agree, it was just worth noting.
Commander_Ninja not much of a difference
SPOILERS: Thank you guys for going in depth about Zemo! I've actually heard people say that they loved Civil War but felt that Zemo was an unnecessary and lackluster villain, and I'm like "Open your eyes!!!" He is the theme of the movie made manifest; the instrument of their destruction which THEY created. He broke the Avengers apart, and he didn't need magic, an alien/robot army, or an Infinity Stone to do it. When that guy asks him how it feels that everything he planned failed and he answered "Did it?" I LOST MY SHIT! You realize that he won, because by the end of the movie they're still broken and divided. I also believe this movie will serve as an origin story of sorts for Zemo, and that we may see more of him in the future... ~_~
+Majin Sole My only problem with Zemo being the Villain is that he isn't this small time in the comics and its even debatable if he isn't more dangerous then the Red Skull.
It felt like there wasn't a need for Zemo to be Zemo other then the name drop, he could have been just anyone and the movie would have been the same.
+Riko Wolfin who knows, maybe there's still a chance to see a more comic book-like Zemo. O mean, he did survive the film. Besides, I think that just like this movie, it's nothing like the comics, but it was just amazing in its own way. The same can be said about Zemo. This isn't Zemo from the comics, just like this isn't Civil War from the comics, but I really liked him. (maybe future masters of evil leader?)
ComanderScar The thing is that while Civil War isn't the same as the comics its still the same basic story with the same basic characters, they don't change into completely different iterations of themselves between mediums.
But with Zemo here he isn't anything like the Baron, hell he isn't even a Baron in this! He doesn't even seem like a bad guy ether, he was even ready to die for the things he did so its hard to see him go from that to the villain that puts together the masters of evil ( Because he doesn't do things because evil ) or making plots to take over the world as shown with murdering the five super soldiers that might have been stronger then Bucky and Capt.
Maybe he could come back when the Avengers reform to put together a team that is focused on destroying them but even then its kinda hard to see this version of Zemo doing that.
Riko Wolfin maybe, but he still could become the Zemo from the comics. Eventually. Besides, we have to see how as a villain for this movie he was great. Maybe not as Zemo, but I loved him.
ComanderScar As a villain he wasn't that great, the great thing about him was how nothing he really was and how he didn't do anything spectacular because he couldn't and didn't want to do anything spectacular, he just wanted to hurt the people that hurt him and he did that.
He is great as a plot device to get everything set up for movies like black panther and spider-man but as a villain you could have stuck any random military guy and he would have served the same purpose, there wasn't a reason for him to be Zemo and thats the problem.
DC: "I'm Batman!"
Marvel: "I don't care."
"I'm Batman."
Civil War: "I'm a better movie than you."
How It Should Have Ended better have some kind of reference to that between Batman and Black Panther
+Eddie the Head MARTHAAA!!!!
Niokolay Dimitrov STELLLAAAAAA!!!!!
+ZoanBlade90 That wasn't funny...
Captain America: Civil War is exactly what Batman v Superman should've been.
+Digital Knight Amen
+Digital Knight true dat ;)
+Digital Knight quite literally tbh...
maybe YOU'RE THE DC FANBOY
+Digital Knight the last act in civil war was so unexpected and awesome. It could have been easily another team up with 3 heroes against a bad guy and those 5 villains but instead it became way more intense by friend against friend
Elderly aunt may never made sense if peter was in high school. Aunt May and Uncle Ben should be roughly the same age band as peter´s parents, not be super elderly.
+skyranger144 Also you can say "Tony Stark hit on aunt May" without it being ridicolous.
That sentence alone is worth of a casting choice on a (pretty small, in this move) three-lines part.
+skyranger144 there is supposed to be a twenty years age gap betwen the two.
+skyranger144 It's not really that uncommon for siblings to be many years apart, and even if they are a bit closer, Aunt May could have just grayed earlier.
I always assumed they were Peter's great uncle and aunt.
The Kid that said team Iron Man but had a Captain America shirt on was the best 😂
favorite line
Toney "Do you even remember them?"
Bucky "I remember them all."
Finally someone brings up that line...I watched it again yesterday and that line really got to me..It shows that all of his kills still haunts him
Will Silapheth You can see even though he runs from Toney and fights he never blames him or tries to talk him down.
+Corn Bread its Tony btw.
jinofthethunder thank you my bad.
Corn Bread np
Aunt May, in the comics, has always been grandma age. It makes more sense that a 16 year old kid would have an aunt in her late 40's.
+N Slater Well, except in the Ultimate comics.
That was the only flaw of the early Spider-Man comics. Aunt may was annoying she was always almost dying was so out of date. It was almost like oh boy aunt may again. I'm fine with her being out of date. But her not always dying Is much better.
+N Slater I just realized she's Benjamin buttoning through the reboots.
The drink containers gave me a giggle.
Mug. Generic water bottle. Mug, mug, and then just a basic metal flask. It's so out of place it's great.
I was always confused about how 15 yea old Peter Parker has an 80 something year old aunt, who was still alive and actually doing shit when he's 25 or so. Marisa Tomei is in her 50s so it makes a lot more sense to me, especially going forward.
My Grandmother on my Mother's side had 5 sisters, and I called them all "Aunt". So I grew up with old ladies as aunts and it never occurred to me to question why Aunt May was so old. I thought all Aunts were old.
+Blake F Well, haven't you ever heard of great aunts before? I presumed that was what Aunt May was to Peter. At least in those incarnations.
+RyanX1231 Nope, it was established at some point that Uncle Ben and Peter's dad were brothers.
I wish people would stop thinking Aunt Mae is too young. She's old enough to be a contemporary teenagers Aunt. 40-50 year old. How many women that age have poodle perms and grey hair, walking around in a cardigan? In fact MY mother doesn't even dress that old in her sixties! It's have to be his Grandma or Great Grandmother to style that old. She's not "cool aunt Mae", she's a middle aged women, who isn't being held to twenty year old fashion standards.
+Princeducielruka Marisa Tomei isn't too young to be an aunt. She's portrayed as too young to be THE Aunt May. It is part of the character that she is old enough for Peter to be worried about her health fairly constantly. And, it is part of Aunt May's character that she's so old that she's too conservative to accept his powers or heroics. (Or, at least Peter worries she is.)
You can be conservative and have bad health while being younger. Those are not age mile stones. Also not wanting your teenage nephew to run head first into danger is a thing! My Dad at the same age had health issues and my brothers antics certainly made us worry once or twice that he'd triggered a stroke or heart attack. Still not buying that Aunt Mae has to be old enough to be his great grandmother to make sense.
+David Harshman read ultimates?
people are just kicking off because in the Civil War comic she was an old woman in a relationship with Jervis (who at the time was Tony's butler and not an AI), in fact most versions are an old helpless woman, even in all the films (Toby's trilogy). Fanboys just hate the change.
*May
I don't understand why people wanted Captain America to die like the comic. We all know he'll return during Infinity War. Killing Cap off would be pointless & cheap shock value.
my friend believes he will die in infinity war part 1 and will be the rallying cry into part 2
+winterwolf211 even superman didn't die in bvs.
+Seth B it's my theory too, and bucky takes the shield in part 2
Seth B Cap won't die in Part One. He's in Part 2.
pointless & cheap shock value describe civil war perfectly.
But... WE HAVE DOOMSDAY IN THE MOVIE
+Northreyar Also Aquaman!
+Northreyar Also Jimmy Olse- wait nvm
Don't forget cyborg!
Also the flash and Wonder Woman
If I saw Superman and Captain America die in the same year knowing full well that both would come back, I think I would die a little inside. Bravo, Marvel. Deaths aren't the only way to achieve a dramatic conclusion. Do it when it serves the story you're trying to tell.
+Tommy North
Hey, they're just following what comics do often enough, kill of characters randomly for a dramatic moment!
Nobody pointed out that Dean Pelton was there. meaning the universe of Community happens in the MCU
LOL
+The Juan Mendoza OML IF THAT BECOMES A THING!!!!!
+The Real Traitor Holy shit. Abed was in winter's soldier too. MIND BLOWN!!!
OH MY GOODDDDDDDDDD
+The Juan Mendoza the russos directed some community so yes they are dropping some of their friends in. surprised they haven't squeezed dan harmon in somewhere.
Sorry, but no. If they killed Cap in this movie just to bring him back in a later one, I'd be pissed. Partly because it would make his death in Civil War meaningless once they brought him back, and would hurt the replay value of the film. Also because we've had too many fake deaths already at this point in the Marvel movies. From now on, if someone dies, they should stay dead. Death needs to have weight, not just be something that is easily reversible for any major character.
+ConsoleCrashersShow I agree it was good that they didn't kill steve, especially after how meaningless superman's death was in BvS. The real casualty was tony and steve's relationship and the avengers being fractured, with steve and his friends on the run as fugitives. It had a better emotional impact. The scene where tony tells steve that he doesn't deserve the shield cuz his father made and he drops it on the ground gave me the feels.
+ConsoleCrashersShow the whole movie was meaningless
And that is exactly what I think is wrong with Dragon Ball Z. ( not Dragon Ball ( pre-Z ))
Edit : It's a reply to CCS ( ConsoleCrashersShow )
That's just CBM's. Coulson and Superman are basically the same thing now. Also, people complaining about Marvel villains, but what about the DC villains? Zod? Doomsday? Luthor?
ConsoleCrashersShow welcome to comic books
The scene with Sam and Bucky sitting in the car smiling like dumbasses at Steves kiss with Sharon was perfectly on spot.
Buckys thoughts: Seems like the little boy who was nervous around women finally grew up huh ;)
Sams thoughts: HEY HEY HEY goooood job man, was about damn time xD
I would have loved a scene with the two teasing Cap over Sharon.
I think the 50 year old aunt is much better than the 70 old aunt we got in the original Spiderman movies. 1. It probably means that Ben wasn't quite old enough to retire, so she will probably have to have a job for awhile and it might push Peter to have to get a job to help support her. One of the best things about Spiderman is that he has to juggle other things with his superheroing, and this could push him to work for the Bugle by his second movie.2. It makes more sense age wise to have an aunt around the age of his parents. This makes it so that she probably had a better relationship with her sister/brother and would have been more likely to take Peter in.3. If/when they want to do a storyline with Aunt May, she will most likely be alive and healthy enough to act. And if they decide to do one of the "Aunt May falls for the villain" storylines, the villain will be closer to her age as well.
Well, FINALLY! A critically-acclaimed 2016 film everyone loves that Doug DOESN'T think sucks or is just "good"!
I know right!
+Awesomo Finally, he stopped having a different opinion you don't like, thank god. Do you feel oh so validated?
Me: Wasn't Zootopia incredible?!
Doug: It was good..
Me: FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUU
Spider-Man man speaks more in his 15 minutes of fame than supes in his entire movie... This is actually true
And more than Tobey's Spider-Man in his entire Trilogy. Lol.
It's hilarious that this is actually true 😂
I am TOTALLY on board with Marisa Tomei as Hot Aunt May
So is Tony
I have to disagree with Rob on not caring for Bucky in Winter Soldier. That last scene on the Helicarrier with the whole 'You're my mission!' and 'I'm with you to the end of the line' stuff turned me into a sobbing mess. I was watching it on my laptop and bawling my fucking eyes out. The lines were a bit over-dramatic but Stan's acting...he was so good. That expression he had when he realised...
I love how Walter quietly added how he loved "Spider-Man." It's so genuine!
What is up with the Avengers hate Rob? My favorite quote about this movie is ''it is not great in spite of being the 13th marvel movie, it is great because of that''. This movie wouldn't have been nearly as sweet if we didn't have multiple fun, lighthearted movies about these guys. It is like The Dark Knight Returns. It is not just the story that makes it great, it is all the stories we have seen with Batman before, so when we see this way darker turn it is both refreshing and cool.
This movie was so awesome even Doug Walker liked it. No insult to Doug I still think he's awesome.
BUT..... AQUAMAN'S IN THE MOVIEE!!!
Angry Joe: SHUT THE HELL......UP!
cyborg...??
+Leon JO No, Zack, no.
+Leon JO
Hellooooo....
TheNoobofHearts
UUUUUGGGHHH!!!...
I don't understand people saying Tomei is too young. Yes, in the comics she's much older, but as I understand it she's supposed to be about the same age as Peter's parents. Tom Holland is 19 playing an even younger Peter. Tomei is 51. That would put Peter's parents at roughly 30 when they had Peter. Is that really so implausible for people? Honestly, the way she's portrayed in the comics she looks more like Peter's great-aunt.
+firefly4f4 I think the problem is she doesn't look 51, she looks way younger. Personally I was surprised when I learned she is over 50 years old.
DC: Can you put your seat up?
Marvel: NO
DC: I really hate you.
dc: you need to change your tone!
+Jeremy Villaroman
DC-WB: *finally makes a really good comic book movie*
Fans: Why didn't you do that sooner?
DC-WB:..I hate you.
+Jeremy Villaroman DC: "Why does it always have to be 'Marvel, Marvel, Marvel!"
dena81 you are awesome
I'm fine with Marisa Tomei as Aunt May. I think in Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon, Aunt May kind of the same like in this movie. It was not the old grandma Aunt May and it's make sense for me bcuz I think the chemistry will make more sense with very young Peter Parker and 45-50s Aunt May and I'm fine with that. I'm done with all the older style Aunt May and now we get fresh with new take on the character, really excited for Spider-Man Homecoming.
Aunt May is 51. She's not THAT YOUNG. When I think if aunts, I always think of young aunts anyway. I always wondered why Aunt May was so old.
+Hunter VanderZwaag She has to be older than 51. Because in order for her to be 51, she would have had to have Richard Parker at the age of 18, then Richard would have had Peter by the time he was 18. 18+18+15=51 because Peter starts off bitten at the age of 15. It's a little unrealistic to say that they had to have had kids at 18, or at least both of them.
+aghostshell She is Richard Parker's Sister in law, not mother...
BlueDwarfMC I confuse the two all the time because usually it's the woman that takes on the man's last name, rarely the other way around, but either way just replace the names and the math still adds up that she's probably older than 51.
Chris Evans actually texted Hayley Atwell after Peggy's funeral scene, "I'm so sad today, you just died."
zack snyder talking about Cap Civil war
I'm a DC fan. More so than Marvel. And this makes me cry to see this happen to DC over and over again...
Man of Steel? Boring.
BvS? You've got to be kidding me.
Suicide Squad? Tolerable, at best.
Godspeed, Geoff Johns. It's up to you now...
Seriously though, Civil War was excellent.
I feel you
Why would a 51-yr-old Marisa Tomei too young to play the aunt of a high schooler?
+Leo Liu She isn't, as long as that high schooler isn't Peter Parker. Aunt May is old in the comics for a reason. It plays a big part in her character.
+David Harshman she wasn't as old in the Ultimate comics, pretty sure thats what they are going for.
Not really...nothing that can't be done with a 50 year old
Yes but she looks so beautiful, even Tony points that is unusual XD
She's been younger/more active in Ultimate Marvel, Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon, Garfield movies...
I love the fact that everyone else is drinking coffee and water while Rob is just drinking from a flask.
I have to say, I didn't mind Aunt May being that age. The actress, Marissa Tomei, is in her 50s while Peter is a teen. To me, that works for his "origin" situation. Sure, Marissa Tomei looks a bit younger but I don't mind that. They cast someone who's an excellent actor of an appropriate age. That she doesn't look like May in the comics or previous movie versions, is okay with me.
1:05:02
They were half right on that. Look what happened this year.
This talk makes me realize how much the MCU NEEDS Dr. Doom.
If the Marvel can get back the rights to Dr. Doom, the MCU will have the villain it needs to really shake things up.
+FrankLightheart marvel vs capcom MOVIE
we need wesker
and MAX from assist me
SMOSHOO You know what: a movie like that would be totally awesome, but I think a concept like that would work best as a cartoon movie.
It would be fun with lots more action and we wouldn't need to take it too seriously. Then we also won't have to worry about actors or who owns what property.
team assist me vs ?
SMOSHOO Okay, I think I'm a little too outside the Marvel vs Capcom gaming culture to understand what you're asking for.
FrankLightheart look up marvel vs capcom 3 assist me
Its Zack Synder from the BVS review!
Oh my god! Its Zack Snyder in the middle! And he sounds here even more like himself
I'm not entirely sure whether I like this more than Age of Ultron, but damn I struggle to think of any problems I have with this film. I even love the villain, which so far has only happened with Loki, Ultron, Fisk and Kilgrave. Frankly I can understand the people calling it Marvel's best.
oh yes! this movie did three things right:
-Handled an ensemble cast very well
-Did the villain really well. he is easily the best they have. he broke the Avengers!
-Great writing and characterization ( especially Black Panther)
+Egie Asemota The cheorography in the fight scenes!!! FREAKING GALORE!!!!
and what i love is they respected both fans of the comics and the people who have just watched the MCU...
both communities can enjoy this movie to the fullest!!!!
age of ultron is a mess for me. The story is so simple, it has cool fight scenes in it but nothing really compelling to me. I think bvs and age of ultron are on the same level for me. Civil war did such a better job
I can't agree with that at all. To me BvS has no coherent themes or story for as complex as its plot is, whereas AoU has a relatively straightforward plot but themes that have a solid bearing on the characters (who are likable where BvS' aren't) and ideas that reward you for looking at them deeper.
***** wait chill chill. Only because a movie is simple doesnt mean i hate it. You can enjoy those movies in a firework kinda way.
Why is Beth in the intro but has yet to appear in an episode
+WDFilms25 She HAS appeared in episodes
Foreshadowing?
+WDFilms25 I think that she´s hot
+WDFilms25 who?
Because she is the master of disguise
Personally, I liked the younger Aunt May. It never made much sense to me that his mother's sister would be roughly 30-40 years older than her. The comics always made her look more like his grandmother rather than his aunt. Which could work because I could see someone wanting to be called Aunt rather than Grand-mom all the time. But then the comics pointed out that she was his mothers sister after that the Grand-mom type just didn't work anymore, especially not for a young teenage Peter.
+Jason Norris Correction ..Aunt Bae.
GritsnBeans Huh? His Aunt's name is May Reilly Parker
white america's worst nightmare Ahh, as in Aunt Babe. Okay, brain being a little slow this morning.
Am kind of curious how Bae came to mean that. I mean if you look it up it actually mean excrement in some languages.
+Jason Norris Its pretty interesting that in a movie with Scarlett Johansson, Elizabeth Olsen, and Emily VanCamp, everyone is talking about how freaking hot Aunt May was. And we only saw her head and sitting on a couch. Like... hot damn.
Commander_Ninja lol, agreed. I think in a way it was because she was unexpected for some people. When I went in to the movie I didn't even know she was in it, I knew Spider-Man was in it but I didn't know Aunt May was in it or who was playing her.
WTF IS ZACK SNYDER DOING THERE?! XD
He's learning
+Vinícius Panato Osório IKR I was like "holy shit it's the guy that played Snyder a.k.a my new favorite person ever!" I love this video already!
+Buc Whovian I WILL FIND HIM
Doug just making funny faces for the first minute *ajusts glasses, strokes face, stretches mouth, flashes his recently whitened teeth, mouthing stuff to his brother Rob*
I loved the fact that CA: CW didn't pull a Doomsday/Venom trick to try and get everyone fighting on the same side at the end. It was a gutsy twist to have Zemo killing the Super Soldiers rather than reanimating them at the end, that would've been a cliche Marvel happy ending. It also strengthened the Zemo character for me too, he had more centered goals and actually achieved them by the end of the movie with out having to resort to a major collateral damage/disaster porn set up, far more intelligent and satisfying.
The Sokovia accords on their own weren't divisive enough to generate that wedge as a plot device and Zemo's entire plan was an adjustment on a previous step. At the start he was waterboarding the former Hydra Agent for the location of the super soldier serum/winter soldier footage, if he'd got it then he wouldn't have needed Bucky, but he didn't so he posed as Bucky to draw him out and plotted his way in as the Shrink/electromagnet etc. to get what he needed. He arranged that the body and disguise would be found by the arranged call via long distance to the hotel. If he hadn't have got Tony to follow or be mad he was still behind the inpenetrable glass while they were secured in the silo and could've got away or shot himself, had he not planned on black panther being there. Had Tony not followed he probably would've simply fed exed the tape to avengers HQ and adjusted his plan further. These aren't so much happy coincidences as re-evaluating startegies. The thing that did bother me is why the character had to be Zemo, they could have just made a brand new character and saved Zemo for later. Other than that given the overall nature of Comic Book Movies, I'm prepared to put up with a few happy coincidences, I mean we're hardly talking Schindler's List here, just as long as I can't drive articulated lorries through the plot points. Sorry if it faltered too much for you though, peace :)
2:52 Well Doug, it's actually quite simple. When the people making the movie actually CARE about their film, this is what happens. It's a collaborative effort that requires every person on set to be as passionate as the next. For some reason, I get the feeling this is more of a job to the people involved at this point. They're pretty much set for life, I doubt they'd continue if they didn't care.
43:00 If Doug had any interest in Spiderman he would know that IS his character. A nerdy kid with a smart mouth.
my dad built the stair case in the action scene
Woah, seriously?
ya he works on marvel movies
+Maria Kaleigh My friend and I was talking about how many people were involved in making it while we waited for the post cred. scenes. ... Nice set your dad helped make, btw.
My 50th cousin played Spider-Man
+Steven Kollin YOU ARE RELATED TO TOM Holland THAT IS AWESOME
"Aunt" May has always looked wrong to me. She has always been drawn or cast more as a grandma than an aunt. This interpretation actually makes the Aunt part make sense.
Hey Walker Bros, just a note! The "choppy" look that the fight scenes have are most likely achieved by increasing the shutter speed over normal. It doesn't actually drop frames. It helps by making every frame clear with no motion blur, as you guys mentioned.
sibling rivalry review????????????????????
They said there not doing it, cause they said pretty much all they wanted to here!
+ivan denona I don't like this new show, I wish nostalgia critic did reviews as he used to
he still does.... every wednesday
Skip to 2:16 to actually see the start of the review section. Everything before is boring BS.
+Guypersonmanthing3 Thanks, mate
Am I the only one that really wants to see Doctor Strange?
nope✌✌
+famineinfernal1 It could be the Guardians of this year, look at that cast
+famineinfernal1 Nope I'm looking very much forward to it.
It does look pretty cool. I'm mostly excited about Benny being in the MCU. Mostly because he's no stranger to geekdom on the big screen.
+Michelle Lehto The guy who plays Dr. Watson on Sherlock was in Civil War. Half of me just wants him and Benedict to meet up in the movie because I know they were also both in a Hobbit movie, I haven't seen it but I know they were.
I suppose this takes the place of Sibling Rivalry?
+Actar Raikit they might do another on Thursday.
+Actar Raikit Plus they mostly agreed on it, so not much of a rivalry :)
Why is Zach Snyder hosting the show? LOL
+Javier Bustacara Ruiz He's getting tips on how to direct a good movie.
+NaeemTHM sick burn
Marisa Tomei is 51. She's not to young to be peter's aunt.
+Jacob Stewart Right... I don't know why everyone is thinking she's so young??
+Jacob Stewart Although it true that actor is 51 years old
But did you find any normal person with 51 years old look like that she look like in late 30-40 if no one tell her age who can guess
I wish the guy who designed Black Panther's suit was the head designer of the Power Rangers movie.
imdb88 Black Panther's suit doesn't have Tron Lines or armor kibble
"I really believe that Captain America and Bucky have a real friendship!" - Rob Walker.... sure, a friendship.... that's what it was
And now we also find out that Doug loved Creed. YEEEEEES.
It's worth noting that RDJ did this movie even though it's not in his contract, he was brought on from a creative standpoint and agreed to do it because he liked the story. Solid move.
My absolute favorite movie in the MCU!
32:20 I love when the guy on the right gets fed up with the dude on the left ripping the previous movies like they are bad. LOL
Captain America didn't actually die in Civil War comic, but in the after comic when he was being prosecuted. But eh,
I went into Civil War never having seen a single Cap.Am. movie, not having seen Ultron, never having read the comics. It still got me. I still understood all the things they were talking about. That's how refined the pacing is in this one. Also, as complicated as everything looks, the story is actually very simple, and that simplicity shone brightly throughout the film.
Thank, film, for taking the time to tell me an awesome story.
Awesome to hear that. I think the reason they say otherwise in this video is because they all saw the other films and saw that there were callbacks.
+Dragon Sword just to be clear I am agreeing with Doug here in saying it should have become a mess but wasn't
+eating raw faces is my least favorite thing to do. Recently did. Yeah it was pretty good.
On the subject of "Aunt MILF"
May Parker is supposed the be the wife of Ben Parker (Uncle Ben). Ben Parker is Richard Parker's brother. Richard and Mary had a son (Peter) in their late-20's or early 30's. Peter Parker is 16 in Captain America: Civil War. If Ben and May were only 2 or 3 years older than Richard and Mary, that would put Ben and May in their late 40's to early 50's. Marisa Tomei is 51 years old. She is very attractive, but that doesn't change the fact that she is the perfect age to be Aunt May. Portraying Aunt May as a 70 - 80 year old "grandmother" type role is more unbelievable than Marisa Tomei.
The only complaint I could think of about Civil War was that Vision felt like a near no-show for much of the actual battle. It was just weird for such a powerful character to feel so useless for so much of that battle...especially considering his action earlier in the movie and his error towards the end of that battle.
Best MCU movie so far, but my problem is the movie edges you into supporting Cap, but I was with Tony the whole time and the ending only cemented it for me... Sorry Doug Tom Holland blows Andrew Garfield out of the water.
Well it is caps movie so that is justified its not supposed to be fully on ironmans side
J- Rich I wasn't, sure the accords are extreme and Ross is a asshole, but he does have a point. If Wanda can kill a dozen people by accident while trying to save one dude and Vison can accidentally paralyses a guy he wasn't even aiming at.
I won't even go into what Bucky did but regardless he does deserve to be locked up if he not even gonna faced his crimes.
Really they should just called it *Marvel's Civil War* but Cap needed a trilogy...
Li-Li Mandragon
eh in the movie's defense they don't solely put one side in the wrong i was team cap in the beginning of the film but as i watched it i do see where tony is coming from that superheroes need to be put in check but like like cap i do believe the government would put restrictions on where they could/could not fight and more people would die in those areas they would not act.
J- Rich I wanted to agree with Cap but I hated Bucky even at he start of the movie and Tony got Spidey (my favorite) on his side. And in the ending I was happy to let Tony rip Bucky a new asshole
I like Garfield a lot more then Mgguire but I found Holland a good middle ground
I watched this movie yesterday, and it has the heart and soul of the comic in a different well-organised story. I was totally invested in this movie; I also feared this movie would finish with an open ending, but when "the final third" was close (climax of the Avengers battle) I realised there was half an hour left; I think that's Marvel magic in the majority of their movies, they perfectly manage to tie everything into quarters (Intro, two-act conflict and ending). Besides, it had a perfect kind-of-a-open ending which suggests Avengers 3, I loved this movie.
Meanwhile, on a Three Sphere Death Star that remarkably resembles Mickey's Logo hovering somewhere in lower orbit:
Mickey slowly turns around in his chair, facing a wall of monitors.
"Darth Iger,"
"I-It's CEO actu-"
"DARTH IGER."
"Y-yes Lord Mouse."
"I have sensed a disturbance in our Profits. Sony and Fox must be destroyed."
"What if they could be turned to the Magical Side...?"
"Hmmm, yes. They could be profitable companies...under our command."
"They shall join us...or die."
* Plays the Imperial March *
that is honestly something thats believable
+Demon Emperor Void Swag
INT. WALT DISNEY STUDIOS, BURBANK - NIGHT
A terrified KEVIN FEIGE approaches a small, shadowy figure with its back to him, sitting atop a throne of gold bars and one hundred dollar bills.
FEIGE: Twentieth Century Fox. They are not the cowering wretches we were promised. They stand. They are unruly, and therefore cannot be ruled.
The figure stands up and Feige bows.
FEIGE: To challenge them, we must court...Deadpool.
The figure turns slightly, coming into the light and revealing itself to be MICKEY MOUSE, a shit-eating grin on his face.
I rewatched this recently and I still love this movie. It's my 2nd favorite film from 2016. I'm also impressed with what they had to do in this film and they made it work. It wasn't a clusterfuck, the action was excellent, and the acting was top notch. While some characters aren't necessary story wise like Antman, Spider-Man, or Hawkeye. They still did entertaining bits with them so your like. "I know your not exactly necessary but I don't care!" I also think is Zemo is one of Marvels best villains yet in what he represents and unlike most villains he achieved what he wanted at the end.
On the subject of the young Aunt May, based on the age difference between her and Peter, it makes more sense than her essentially being Grandma May.
plus I think they wanted an actress that they know will still be around for years.
+Tim Crowder I watched an interview with Stan Lee. During this he said that Aunt May was old for a reason. She is supposed to be someone who Spiderman at least thinks of as frail so that he is always worrying about. And she did have some serious health issues for a while in the comics.
That scene where Zemo drowns that guy really made me intimidated by him.
53:42 What do you think Marvel is doing right that DC is doing wrong...Everything! Nailed it!
+J- Rich it's so pathetic that DC adapted one of their best comics (DKR) into a movie and it turned out to be complete fucking dog shit, Marvel adapted one of their worst comics ever published (CW) and it turned out to be their best movie
+grkpektis
ikr! Civil war is the only comic from marvel i wasnt really a fan of and the dark knight returns is not my favorite but definately in my top 10 and Civil war was the 10x better movie
+grkpektis the only problem i have with civil war was i still think cap or someone should have died but the movie still works way better then batman v superman and for me is the best mcu film right now
How old are you? 6?
+Miss X I wish then I probably could enjoy dc movies more
One thing that BvS did better than Civil War is the crowd response. In BvS, there was a lot of people who feared and resented Superman, but there were also some people who thanked and praised him. And at the end the film, there was a great monument that says "If your looking for a Monument, look around you" thereby saying that the people alive are Superman's legacy. But in Civil War, all they concentrated on was the people who hated and resented the Avengers, but never did they once show us fans of the Avengers or the thousands of people in Sokovia who the Avengers did SAVE. Not the family that Iron Man saved in a bathtub, not the people who Captain America and Thor saved from falling over the edge or the mother of the kid that Hawkeye saved and Quicksilver sacrifice himself to protect both of them, not a single sense of gratitude. I know overall it's not that essential, and it did show us the casualties, but I believe showing gratitude, as well as resentment, does give us better perspective.I hope Marvel picks up on this. So that's my opinion on the one thing that DC did better than Marvel. What are you thoughts?
This douche I know who's got a degree in film said the script in BvS was as bad as Steel. If you consider those 2 films equally bad go ahead but even in Steel it had Sparky. But BvS had much better written SCENES. And the R Rated version will be even better written.
+TheGTunit7 Garrett Tatum Wow this was a very good point..i never even considered this stand-point..well done on that brilliant observation
blacksparxdadon thank you very much
Or, we could stop comparing the two and agree that each universe is doing its own unique thing? Just a thought.
+TheGTunit7 Garrett Tatum I totally agree with this. If the Avengers didn't do anything, how many more casualties would there have been? In Winter Soldier, if Cap and company didn't intervene, millions would have died. Like Cap said, you try to save as many people as you can, but that doesn't mean you can save everyone.
I hope Zemo comes back for a Thunderbolts movie
I hope he forms the Masters of Evil.
One of my nitpicks about the movie is that the examples Ross uses to show the Avengers of their destruction isn't really all that convincing once you think about it. Without their intervention, New York would be a nuclear wasteland, a lot of people would have been shot down by those helicarriers in DC, you can blame Tony for Ultron but let's not forget that Ultron was about to drop a meteor on Earth before they stopped him. Oh and without Wanda's intervention in Civil War, a lot of people would've died on the ground too so it's really not her fault. Also, how are the Sokovia Accords supposed to fix all this?
+EX7Sonic Yeah that was my thought on that scene too. Especially with the helicarriers from Winter Soldier - how the hell was any of that Cap's fault (or any other Avenger's)? That was all SHIELD/Hydra's fault. And what exactly was the alternative solution - just wait for them to kill millions of people?
Exactly and the more I think about it, the only reason they were able to take down Hydra there was BECAUSE Cap was operating without government regulations.
+Philippe Gabriel I both see all your points, and agree with the premise that you are sharing about Ross, and the government's position; however, It is EXACTLY how real governments would react. Not that they were in the wrong saving all those people, but who gave you the right to come into our country in the first place. governments want to control everything, and the nature of this MCU and any super-powered reality is that the heroes first and primary motivation is to save and protect, not comply, and petition.
+Romelo1988 Having said that, believe me I am NOT agreeing with the Ross position. It is the nature of the hero to run toward danger, when he/she sees the danger!
True but remember that this is coming from a villian, so obviously he'd fudge the truth about things, it is very clear he's not a big fan of the Avengers.
What a time to be alive. Being a comic book nerd for 20 years, even thought this movie is a farcry from the civil war comic, it is believable in the context of the mcu and is actually satisfying to watch how they interpret a 100+ issue comic book line. Batman V Superman was a chore to sit through with the occasional kiss on the ass from Batman to make the pain i was feeling better.
Who wants extra road trip scenes with Capt, Bucky, and Falcon in the VW on the DVD?
when the killing joke comes out this summer will you guys make a review from it :)?
@41:05 I am that guy Rob. I haven't read any comics and avoided all trailers for this movie to prevent spoilers, and I had that exact reaction when the son of the king became black panther (who I didn't even know was an actual superhero). It was such a cool moment when this random guy in a black suit shows up hunting down Bucky, and then after getting caught takes off his mask to reveal he's the son of the king, making his line about killing the man responsible for his father's death really sink in. I gotta say avoiding all trailers and even the comics is the best way to go into these movies when you know you're going to buy the ticket anyways.
doesn't make it any less exciting for those of us who have followed the comics for years. To finally see Black Panther on screen and done right is quite exciting
LaughingOwlKiller I didn't mean it in a way where you can't fully appreciate the movie after reading the comics. I just meant its cool to not know the original story because that way the whole thing is new.
to me the comics got aunt may wrong. she was way too old to be peter's aunt. she looked like peter's great aunt.
+christianrapper everyone makes that claim
when THE STAN LEE WAS THE GUY CREATED THE CHARACTER
so, he still reated aunt may too old. spiderman is my favorite character, but that doesn't change his flaws. aunt may as portrayed in the 616 universe is way too old to be peter's aunt.
I got an old aunt, so it's not impossible
...and?
was she a frail old woman when you were a teenager...
Tomei must be loving the "too young" comments xD also I am used to cool aunt may since some of the cartoons had a less grandma aunt may and more active matured woman aunt may
I don't understand the hate for Aunt May in the film. Yes, she's not 90, but this is more realistic.
+Duke Spubber but it's not Aunt May and Marvel isnt realistic, don't believe me? Watch Thor 2
...It is Aunt May. Her name is May and she's Peter's Aunt. You really think it's better to have her as a 90-year-old?
+Duke Spubber its far better to have her be older (and yeah they do explain why in the comics) they literally cast someone younger just to make "shes hot" jokes.
SuperMicklovin But it's not like Marissa Tomei is some young 20's actress, she is over 50. And Parker is only 15. It's far more believable that May was in her late 30's when her sister had a kid, especially if they expect May to love long enough to see Peter become an adult. Considering Homecoming apparently takes place 2 years after Civil War, they're probably going to have Spidey grow up (and likely join Stark Industries, perhaps taking over in Phase 4) and it's unbelievable to expect an old lady to stay an old lady for that long a time. That's how you get idiotic shit like One More Day.
Plus, Marissa Tomei has previous chemistry with Robert Downey Jr. There's literally no negative to this whatsoever other than fanboy jizzing.
+Duke Spubber Thank you.
I like Aiyanna Wade's leather jacket. Looks pretty damn cool.
She's hot too
wait... Spiderman fighting a wacky giant insect-based adversary? Did they actually do a homage to the 80s japanese tokusatsu TV series?
Civil War is faultless to me. Everything it does, it does right. It either makes sense within the movie, or makes sense with information built from previous movies.
The music is great. The visuals are great. The characters are great. The motivations are there. Anything that may seem out of places is handled gracefully. The story is great. It has repercussions for the greater MCU. It has a successful origin story while juggling other 15 characters! Tony Stark is a tour de force in this movie. Steve Rogers has never been more enticing. The villain has a place that success!
Civil War is a masterpiece.
I love this new show! Great job guys!
i honestly think that the 30-45 min of screen time spiderman had.... i think that this is the best on screen spiderman ive seen yet. i can see where people are coming from saying he talks too much and whatnot but that is one of the things that i love about him. this just makes me want to see a spiderman/deadpool tie in movie even more.
DC should have gotten Bruce Timm to write BvS. He's already done two great stories dealing with the theme of people being afraid of superheroes, the Cadmus arc on Justice League, and Justice League: Gods and Monsters.
+KingOfMadCows problem is, even today animation is still underestimated and is considered kids stuff, that is not what producers want in their dark, gritty and joyless DCCU, that's the main reason the first directors of flash and aquaman walked out on the projects saying they had to many creative disagreements.
I'm hoping for Gods and Monsters 2. And I'm hoping it'll feature Doomsday.
Everyone always talks about cap dying in Civil War comics, but I have them all and he is still alive in the end. He gets arrested at the end, not shot. Him getting shot happens AFTER Civil War.
Big paragraph.
As a big Marvel (and DC) fan, I love the movie way more than the comic. That is because I prefer heroes to have hard times but not change to completely different characters. If that is about to happen anytime then always make it be a what if story. Not the main one.
Ironman in this movie was so heartbroken and then went full avenging character in the end and it was so well demonstrated. Captain America was really the most senile and calm person in the whole movie. He has seen what Hydra did and others like them can do. He also knew that Bucky did those things but must not be pummeled by Ironman. What's the point of be an enforcer of justice and peace if you are gonna pummel everyone like a tyrant, like a rageful monster Ironman was about to become. The point is to arrest and stop them without the act of this taking a heavy toll on your values.
Now that I rewatch the past MCU phases they really did all of these characters Justice with this movie. Not all these heroes took the problem seriously, nor there was a heavy politics view in their dialogues which was the specific magic the movie has for me.
Ant-Man helped because he was a fan of Cap and had a past with Falcon
Spiderman had literally his first appearance in the suit (which explains why he loses against Captain) and wants to prove himself upon the characters he loves as the kid he is. All of his existence in the movie is a big coming of age and a reference to young Steve Rogers and Ironman's 1 Stark. It was also great of how he sparred with Captain like he was his mentor.
Black Panther. Oh god Russo brothers. Boseman's character is the best among the great highlights in the movie. Instead of being a rageful avenger in the whole movie he had a powerful perception of events. He never attacks Black Widow, nor he interferes in the snow base. Instead he takes his time understanding events and then of how revenge eats you alive and then arrests Zemo. He earns the respect of the audience by having an origin and character development inside a movie that isn't even his own.
Finally I am glad they left Captain's death out of this and instead went directly for Agent Rogers and his team of secret Avengers. Let Captain die as a hero in the Infinity Wars. Not now.
I read everything haha
Emperor Nerd Thanks!
One faithful reader right there!
This is SOO cool I love the idea of watching the critic, his brother, and his staff just be himself and talk about movies!!!
+Kyle Wolf Quite possibly the best job in the world. I'm extremely jealous.
Ranking of The Marvel Cinematic Universe Movies
1 Civil War
2 Winter Solider
3 Iron Man
4 Guardian of the Galaxy
5 Avengers
6 Ant Man
7 Captain America First Avenger
8 Age of Ultron
9 Iron Man 3
10 Iron Man 2
11 Hulk
12Thor
13 Thor The Dark World
My Ranking of the DCEU films
Batman v Superman Dawn Of Justice
Man Of Steel
+ZR J-Ro my ranking for the DCEU
1. Mediocrity
2. Man of steel
3. Shit
4. Batman v superman
hopefully Suicide squad is amazing so DC can get out of the slump there currently in
I agree with you on your list except I would switch avengers and ant man.
Hell, I like totally agree, perfect list
I remember everybody walking out after the film ended and they were all saying how happy they were that they saw the film and saying how much they want to see the film again. The last time I walked out of a cinema surrounded by people being so happy that they saw a film was Ant-Man and some people were even applauding as the credits rolled when they revealed the Wasp outfit.
Im not used to seeing Doug praising a movie this much.
+W-James For a comic book movie, no less. I was beginning to think nothing would impress him anymore.
I'm more shocked Rob enjoyed it as much. He's been a bit of a downer when it comes to the mcu movies so much that it's gotten annoying.
I think that I like it better that Cap didn't die exactly because it wouldn't feel like one of those classical comic book hero deaths that are supposed to shock people.
It would really just have soured the experience and degraded the message that you can stand what you believe in and still be friends with those that disagree with you. Which is something that I need cuz of how a friend and me recently broke up after a rather political argument. Not that I think that my friendship can get back together (all bridges were burned there), but knowing that even though that friendship is gone for what I think, not all friendships are that flimsy.
If Steve Rogers died, we'd have gotten the pathos, but at the cost of the tone of the rest of the movie.
EDIT: Also, a lot of people talk about this movie as though this encompassed the whole of Civil War. It may be called "Civil War", but it only sets up the beginning. Civil War can be neatly split between when they are all still in disagreement, but not bloodthirsty and everything that happens after the Thor-Clone kills Goliath.
If you killed Captain America, you'd have that same tonal shift of the death of Goliath, but none of the build-up or pay-off. Right now, we are still building up the stakes of the disagreement between one side and the other on good terms. In the movies to come, we can set the tone for what happens when one side goes too far.
I love this movie! Watch it! As for Marvel animated series... What about The Spectacular Spider man or Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes? Those are really good.
Zemo just wasn't the same to me without the royal garb and the purple spandex mask. Imagine the gritty tone of his presence in the movie but with the old costume. Nobody would question it, for nobody questions Baron Zemo
The King of the Penguins I hope he gets to wear the costume in a future movie.