"You know nothing of tempers if mine is your frame of reference" Accurate. Hades has like, the least number of horrific responses to being offended or insulted among all the gods of Olympus.
Seriously tho. Even the other gods TASKED WITH HELPING YOU OUT get pissy and try to ACTIVELY MURDER YOU when you take another god's boon before theirs, even if you were planning on getting both anyways.
“You should see what my nieces can do, boy. And I’m not talking about when you pick someone else’s boon over theirs. And thank the Fates you’ve never run into Zeus’s wife!”
@@smnoy23 Hera would most likely treat Zagreus with respect and love just like her actual kids who she actually loves. She just despises the ones that are not hers because she is literally the Goddess of Marriage and her own husband isn’t even faithful.
@@diousthomas8878 Reminder that Hera did throw her own child Hephaestos from the top of Olympus because he was born ugly. Which made him ugly AND disabled. So much for loving her family. Hera is even more of a bitch compared to all the others goddesses (she's also the one responsible for killing Herakles family, and poor dude took the blame for being possessed) If anything the most reasonable gods are Hestia and Hades.
And Persephone is Zeus's daughter. Father give his daughter to his big brother to become his big bro's wife. That sound so..... And for Demeter. I kind of understand she. She is a single mom and Persephone is the only daughter she has. When her daughter disappear, surely mother must be very angry.
But Persephone isn't Zeus's daughter - I'm talking about the game lore, not the actual mythology. Demeter mentioned several times that Persephone's father was a mortal man, a farmer. I believe SGG tweaked the mythology to avoid problematic stuff as much as possible. (I'm not trying to justify Zeus here, hell no, just clarifying things)
@@ferroxus yeah I can understand that, since persephone is, not olny product of incest, but of rape to, and then she was given to his father older brother as a gift.
After playing this game and finding their personalities closest to their actual counterparts, I can now see why the Greeks got so pissed off over Disney's version.
@@holoqofholoqqia9503 Kratos isn't really a Greek God, he comes from the faith that was followed in the region before Hellenism became prominent and served a stint as Zeus' uncle (I think), but didn't survive to later, more established versions of the myth.
@@holoqofholoqqia9503 lol kratos killed his wife and daughter cause ares said go kill that temple. then he met his daughter in Elysium said he never was gonna abandon her then in 30 seconds theres a mashing button qte to make her stop hugging or leg. theres alot more fucked up shit hes done with his children
"You know nothing of tempers if mine is your frame of reference" Everyone on Olympus has to hide girls like contraband from Hera just to avoid having terrible things happen to them. Aphrodite is rumored to have cursed the women of Lemnos to be smelly. Sea storms are manifestations of Poseidon's temper tantrums. Demeter *literally only makes winter happen because she's sad to not have her daughter* Athena is probably the most well-tempered among the Olympians, but I hear that she was a major headache at birth. Hephaestus is cripped *because Zeus cast him to the earth in a rage.* Ares is basically a braggart and a bully, but that's not much of a temper thing. Apollo ruined a small army over some cows. Artemis turns men into stags for seeing her skinny-dip. But Hades? Hades just gets mildly passive-aggressive while the world maligns him for ruling the land of the dead.
Athena cursed arachne for beating her in a fair competition and cursed medusa for getting violated against her will so yeah Athena was still a massive dick
@@leviponce7730 i don't know about arachne, but medusa it was said that she gave medusa her powers to defend herself against men who would violate her again,
@@leviponce7730 iirc wasnt it because arachne boasted about her skills being better than athenas when athena disguised as a mortal to invite her to olympus because she appreciated arachnes skills? or is that another version thing
@@rat3138 she did appear as in a disguise in the ovid poem but it was to chastise her for claiming she was better than a God. They have a challenge and Athena loses rips up the better weave and physically assaults aranche
Bruh, I know the game tries to make us hate Hades from the very start, and I can see why considering how he treatex Zagreus., but holy hell the more I think about it he is one of the most reasonable god of the lot, aside from Athena maybe. Like... Zeus really did kidnap Persephone, Demeter sent the world in an ice age because of that, and in the same time, he really has a hell of a lot more "work" compared to anyone on Olympus. Plus that most of the others are either squabling, getting drunk, causing random wars and the like. I like the fact that he isn't the "bad guy", just a misunderstood, angry, strict father that has a lot to deal with, including a son that mostly does what he wants.
It's not hate so much as Zagreus trying to find a purpose in life and Hades being completely and utterly dissapointed in him (for a reason -- Zagreus didn't do well tasks assigned to him) to the point that most of the time his only response to anything Zagreus does is bringing him down in the most petty manner. It takes two people to mend this is kind of situation, and Hades is the one more unwilling to do so. But both of them certainly have enough reasons to act the way they do
Yeah in the original Mythology zeus didn't send persephone and hades did kidnap her, she did eventually come to love him but considering that is the worst thing hades ever did in greek myth he still remains the nicest of all the gods. Hera for example wiped out the indigenous population of an island with a tidal wave just because zeus tried to hide one of his bastard sons there.
I'm pretty sure the art of Hades looking to the side is completely unique to this conversation, he's usually so stoic and blunt but had a reason to be visibly uncomfortable here and they went whole hog on it for something many players won't even discover for a while
"You know nothing of tempers if mine is your frame of reference..." That...that disturbs me if Hades has met people even he thought were tempermental, but then again given his family when they're ready, and he was known for being the most fair of the gods.
They even show that during gameplay where certain rooms have two boons and after you pick the first one, the other gets buthurt that they didn't get first pick and try to hamper you in the encounter. And that was when they WERE TRYING TO HELP YOU
He was build over poseidon, in the beggining they where the same god , he had ties with the underworld(poseidon) also zagreus was also an underworld god that resurrected into dionisus and was supposed to take zeus throne after he grew old .
I am *FLOORED* by how myth-accurate that explanation is. I'm not used to people acknowledging that the whole "kidnapping Persephone" thing wasn't Hades' fault.
there's different versions of the myth is the reason. also it is a myth about greek gods so to say he/she is at fault is kinda already a fallacy. the bards tell us one thing we remember another and thus mythology is born
It's not actually myth-accurate at all - the earliest source we have of the Persephone & Hades myth is the Homeric Hymn to Demeter, which very explicitly states: "[Hades] seized [Persephone] against her will, put her on his golden chariot, And drove away as she wept." (transl. Gregory Nagy) So kidnapping Persephone was 100% Hades' fault, and as far as I know all the Graeco-Roman sources we have for the myth state that this is the case. I understand the desire to make the Persephone/Hades "romance" more palatable to modern audiences, but it's completely inaccurate to say it's anything but a whitewashed retelling of the actual myth. (Sorry if I sound a bit harsh, this is just a misconception I've seen way too often so I thought I'd set the record straight! I can go into more detail about the Homeric Hymn if you're interested, it's a personal fave of mine.)
@Mullerornis All I'm saying is that this interpretation is not accurate based on the extant sources and it's incorrect to claim so. Doesn't mean people can't have fun with reinterpretation & speculation, though!
@@lucasAA927 whe don't know that for sure, whe only know the rest of the gods are bi because they think with their dicks all the time, Hades being an exception.
I love how accurate this is. Hades is one of the Olympians who not only takes his job seriously but also is a pretty decent person. Zeus basically impregnates any woman he thinks is hot, throws hissy fits when his ego is threatened and casually causes continental disasters Hera constantly hunts down her husband's bastard children and makes it her mission to make their lives a living hell. The most famous example being Heracles where she basically drove him mad and had him kill his own wife and kids. Not to mention she's hella petty. Poseidon is SLIGHTLY more chill than Zeus, still his list of bad deeds is almost as long as his. Aphrodite casually murders anyone who MIGHT be prettier than her or she doesn't like. Calling herself the "jealous type" is an understatement Ares and Athena are constantly in a pissing contest with each other with the lives of mortals being lost in the process. Although they're both gods of war so they kinda get a pass. Demeter throws hissy fits cause she doesn't get to see Persephone and threatens to leave the world in ice if she doesn't come to see her at least for half a year, EVERY YEAR Dyonisus is basically the drunk uncle whose parties range from harmless fun to full blown city destroying clusterfucks...literally... Hades, Hepheastus, Hermes ,Apollo , Eros and a few lesser gods are the ones actually pulling their weight without being assholes.
@@gadrielvanorion9872 yea, or when he let Orpheus (I think)take back his girlfriend even tho it was against the rules. Not his fault he did the ONE thing both he and Persephone warned him not to do
@Filip Vadas Apollo skinned alive a guy who proved to be better with the lyre than him. Hephaestus tried to rape Athena and ended up impregnate the Earth. You'll find plenty of awful stuff for every god.
Poseidon can get fucked. Are we going to forget that Poseidon was ostensibly responsible for Medusa's creation? His...act on one of Athena's priestesses led to Athena punishing...NOT Poseidon but the priestess he had his way with and turned her into Medusa. She would wreak havoc until finally being killed by...(I forget his name) with her head being brought back to the temple of Athena. Athena and Poseidon can both get bent.
Y'know that experiment where they connected the pleasure center of rats brains to a button, and the rats just started hitting the button like, all the time? To the point that they hit it instead of eating or drinking and all fucking died? Okay, now give one of those rats immortality, the power to wipe kingdoms off the map, and the temperament of a hungover badger. That's Zeus.
Hades was said to be loyal and respectful towards Persophone, never betraying her (unlike zeus) and letting her go visit her mother, Demetria, the goddess of bountiful harvests, during spring and summer. It is said the periods when Persephone was on the underworld was a great sorrow for Demetria, this is why she doesn't work on Earth during winter and autumn.
And normally. Hades don't allow the death to return to the living realm. But when Persephone beg he to let Orpheus's wife return. Hades break his own law and let she go for Persephone. Eventhough it's end badly. I still think Hades is very sweet to his wife.
To be completely exact: Persephone is with Hades during Winter and spring. Demeter is happy in summer because persephone is with her and she gets sad that persephone will soon leave during autumn. She is alone and devastated during winter and she gets excited that persephone will soon return during spring.
@@tychoderkommentator2989 Persephone eat 3 pomegranate seeds that make she have to stay at the underworld for 3 months each years (winter). She return at spring each years that make Demeter happy and fill the world with green again.
Hades did almost cheated on Persephone once actually. It's mostly just flirting and gifts giving nothing like sleeping with them. Persephone turned her into a garden mint. Hades had a lover before Persephone though called Leuce, she died of old age and was turned into a tree by Hades to memorialize her.
The amount of love for Hades from mythology is honestly refreshing. So many times he's a villain in pop-culture bc he's "the King of the Underworld" so "tHaT mUsT mEaN hE's BAD". He was arguably the nicest of the Gods and definitely among the Major Ones- I mean when the competition is Zeus, Poseidon, etc. it's not that hard to NOT look like an awful person. Hades had a functional, healthy relationship with his wife. He often offered help to those who asked for it- he literally told Heracles that he can take Cerberus for one of his tasks but he has to bring him back (and on the topic of Hades' pup, Cerberus comes from Greek Kerberos which literally can be translated as Spotted so Hades named his dog Spot and that's the only translation I consider canon!). There is only one myth I know of where Hades is "the villain" but considering the fact that our "hero" wanted to kidnap and marry Persephone in this one... Is He really?
I like this interpretation of the story of Persephone and Hades. Hades doesn’t kidnap Persephone, he’s dragged into the Olympian drama of Zeus, and is forced to defuse this awkward situation with Persephone. Both Persephone and Hades probably felt pity for each other, and Persephone chose to stay with Hades after bonding with one another. Then they eventually developed their mutual friendship into something romantic, and Zagreus came to be
I think Persephone herself kind of longing for certain level of freedom. Demeter after all is strict mother. She is kind but only let her hang with certain creature and people (but it's kind if understandable considering what happen between her and Zeus). So when she's being kidnapped, pretty sure she's afraid, but this dude showers her with gift? He has dogs?? He let her rule equal like him? He has dogs??? (Cerberus is important, okay). Persephone kind of dig the free lifestyle?
Not actually too far off from the most complete version of the myth in the Hymn to Demeter, where Hades kidnapped Persephone because Zeus said he could without telling Demeter. It was an arranged marriage as far as Greek society at the time was concerned, and Zeus was given the blame for most of the shit in the story, aside from Hades having Persephone eat some pomegranate seeds. They certainly did like each other after the marriage, but she didn't have eyes for Hades, as far as anyone can tell. Maybe she did, but it was never stated. Considering prior to this story, Persephone was nothing but the Queen of the Underworld, there is a chance she did want Hades, but probably didn't consent so much to the kidnapping thing.
there's a line you can get from Zeus earlier in the game where he says "hey nephew, you're my brother and Nyx's son right? I guess that's as close as a queen he can get down there, I tried to match him up with a more wholesome type but oh well"
OK the idea that nobody in this version of the Persephone myth was outright mailcious is FASCINATING! Even Zeus wasn't doing it to be cruel but bc he assumed it was a win win for two unhappy people and didn't stop to consider their consent. Its the same sort of obliviously chaotic, mood swinging cheery rudeness we've learnt to expect from his interactions with Zagreus. Then bc that created a messy situation for all of them, they had to hide it, leading to Demeter not knowing where her daughter even was, her endless winter and distant demeanour brought on by MOURNING Persephone, while the goddess in question was struggling with her own unhappiness on Olympics, love for her husband and grief for the first loss she'd ever experienced being her own child. Things escalated bc of personal drama among a disastrous, powerful family who don't know what they're doing any better than normal people we as players know, and it's so much fun to humanise them in this was while still having so much fun with the unique perspective their godhood gives them on life and the world e.g. Death being a mild inconvenience
Well, theres a lot going on in hell and hades gotta keep it in check. The others, literally everyone else? has quite a bit of time to spare and start shit with themselves and mortals. Not to mention every death other gods rack up all add to hades. More reasons to keep hades busy
I am utterly shocked that the Greece god of the underworld is one of, if not best gods overall in the entire mythos. I mean sure he has flaws but compared to the rest of his godly “family” they pale in comparison to what they’ve done.
Hades was one of the kindest, most reasonable and most responsible deities in the pantheon. He did a thankless job that the other gods found to be unsightly and that mortals cursed him for. He was the first born son that got cheated out of his birthright but he wasn't resentful about it. He was faithful to his spouse while the other gods weren't. He wasn't petty and while he was stern, he was also fair.
@@yojimarusilverfang Hestia is pretty up there too, but the problem with her is that her stories and myths were so ubiquitous to the people of Greece at the time, they were never recorded. Still, what we do know of her basically paint her as the ultimate Big Good of the Greek Pantheon. The Ultimate Big Sis that not even Zeus ever though to anger and feared to disappoint.
@@Deathwings500 Funny how the eldest son and daughter were the the reasonable ones, while their younger siblings, nieces and nephews were largely assholes.
@@yojimarusilverfang hes downright reasonable when people walk into his domain and ask for stuff. he gave Perseus his helmet that he used when fighting the titans when Perseus was journeying to slay the medusa, he allowed heracles to take Cerberus to the surface only under the condition that he did so barehanded, and Orpheus could have had his deceased wife back if he followed hades instruction to the letter and not look back till they reached the surface but his lack of faith caused him to doubt and look losing his wife forever.
This is one of the best/more accurate representations of Hades in fiction. He’s very stern, takes his job seriously, and hates the Olympian gods for pretty valid reasons. Just because he’s god of the underworld doesn’t make him a blindly evil villain.
Hades is so even-tempered because unlike most of his family that gets to loaf around in the lap of luxury on Olympus, Hades has an actual job, with tremendous responsibilities, that requires his utmost attention.
According to the myth, hades is angry at Zeus because Zeus tricked hades into being confined to the underworld. Honestly, I’d be pretty mad if someone did that to me
And the worst part is that it's a shit job that someone HAS to do, as in it's literally required in order for the world to function normally without everyone who died coming back for vengies.
Well, it's not "confined", but rather he got the underworld when by being the oldest of the brothers he should had the sky, nay, THE COSMOS, for kingdom. But to be frank, better a Hades to reign over the underworld than any of the other two.
On one hand, that was indeed a colossal dick move of Zeus to do to Hades. On the other hand, Hades is the only god sane and responsible enough to actually manage the underworld as it needs to be. If Zeus was the one to do it instead, the place would explode from sheer negligence.
I like how there was a bit of hostility when he said “gift”, as if just by calling Pesphone that was like treating her more like a object for Hades to do what he pleased instead of a woman, and knowing Zeus that’s probably what he was also thinking too.
Awwww, Hades just gets better and better with every clip. I'm glad their relationship is better now and he's being decent for a change. You'd think this would be the most difficult thing to get out of him, even after the multiple endings but he's finally opened up enough to speak about it, even if he has to skulk to the dark of the garden to do it. 😂😄
Hades may actually be the wisest of his whole family. Any damage Zeus, ares, Athena, poseidon, and many others do on the surface are sent to him after they die. Thats a whole lot of work, his brothers are egomaniacs.
When people call Hades the nicest god, its not cause we're ignoring stories that tell of his bad deeds. Its cause those stories are so few and those few have so many good and bad versions to such a degree we cant be sure which one is definitive. Compare that to the gods who have definitively done ALOT of subjectively terrible stuff to the point whole wars were fought because of it. Hades is harmless unless you find one of 3 versions of him that tells you he did a bad thing that was probably popularized during a famine.
Every other Greek pantheon god's list of horrific things they did: *a scroll that goes on for a concerningly long length* Hades' scroll of horrific things he did: *is a sticky note at longest*
Lol, everyone shitting on Zeus but i think he genuinely thought he was doing a nice thing for his brother. Of course, he did in the most Zeus way and pissed off Hades and caused Demeter to go postal. Its refreshing, instead of Zeus flat being a douche, he a douche who had good intentions. The best thing about Hades is that its threat its characters like real people who flawed rather than caricatures. There's no villain, everyone just flawed, stubborn, egoistic in their own including Zags
Hades shows that we definitely can mistake attitude for kindness. Hades can be dour and passive-aggressive, but he's by no means cruel or inconsiderate. We just simply tend to read crabby people as naturally rude or hateful, not really accounting how tired they might just be -- especially with Hades being the level-headed one and yet treated like the black sheep
What I like about this retcon to the myth is that it keeps the originals spirit alive, in the original Hymn to Demeter (where the story comes from) it places all the blame on Zeus even though Hades does the physical kidnapping, the hymn goes out of its way to absolve Hades of guilt for everything except the pomegranate nonsense
Hades is the only Olympian a genuinely like. His punishments are less about ego and more about setting an import example. They guy who roles a boulder up a hill everyday got punished because he left the underworld while dead. This action upsets a balance that is extremely important. Both life and death have an important function. It makes sense that such an extreme act was met with a fitting punishment. Plus, I genuinely want a story where Zeus gets castrated.
hades, god of war and even percy jackson: hades is as nuetral and unbiased as death. he only does his job disney's hercules: we can't have the real story in a kids film. make hades the bad guy cuz dying is bad
Mortals: You are an evil god cuz dying is bad. Hades: I am not the god that killed you Reminds me of The Devil’s carnival, where the Devil says this line: “I am not in the business of killing innocent children, that’s God’s jurisdiction, I deal with the guilty.”
"Father, why did you hate uncle Zeus so much?" ".....he once impregnate a woman from Sparta, giving birth to one of their strongest warrior....." "And then ?" "Ares made a terrible deal with him, so he tries to kill Ares. Later he founds out about how your friend, Thanatos, tortured and killed his brother, which further fueled his anger towards gods. Zeus tries to intervene by killing it's people, which made it worse" "......." "The man's unquencheable thirst for vengeance, for what Zeus and Ares has done lead him on several attacks on Olympians and their gods. Ares, Athena, Hermes, Thanatos, even myself and brother Poseidon." "What of happens to the man father?" "Athena banished him to the land of endless winter, luckily before he had a chance to killed Zeus" "May i ask father, what's the name of this vengeful warrior?"
I love how the comments are mostly discussions of greek myth and it‘s many confusing aspects. This game has rekindled former greek myth nerd kid‘s passion and I am here for it!
Honestly, the fact that they use such an obscure god as the protagonist AND make fun of some interpretations by having him and Dionysus make up his origin story as a prank is an incredibly clever joke that not a lot of people would even get without research. I love the writing in this game
To everyone in the comments saying this isn’t how the myth goes, remember that there are literally thousands, possibly tens of thousands of Greek myth variants, with pretty much every single situation that ever happens having dozens of variants that can be wildly different.
In the myth, Zeus tells Hades if he likes Persephone so much just take her, which he does... Demeter goes into apathy and secludes herself from the world, which stops everything from growing (goddess of agriculture and all that). Hades agrees to have Persephone live on the surface for half a year with her mother and the other half in the underworld where he will love her and whilst there "she will be treated as the Queen of Queens" (quote from OverlySarcasticProductions). And this is why we have winter children.
Hades is a cool guy in the game but most problems he had with Zagreous were really of his own making. If he told his son the truth when he came out of age it all could turn differently. On the other hand perhaps Zagreous would never find Persephone nor have motivation to go and try to look after her/surface.
It’s funny that, going into this game knowing fuck all about the Greek gods and their myths, Hades’ attitude would instantly make you go “man what a tight asshole. The other gods are so much better!”, but in reality the moment you see any of the Greek gods, except maybe Athena because she’s chill as far as I remember, it’s probably nefarious as fuck
The funny thing is that this isn't even a retcon to make the story of Hades and Persephone more palatable to a modern audience. Like...sure, his *reasoning* for doing it is as are many details, but even in the original myth Hades is explicitly absolved of all blame for the kidnapping and it's put entirely on Zeus. He ordered it, and as father of the bride (something that changed here for obvious reasons, hence changing the details to match) it was his right to trade her like that by contemporary norms.
I thought Hades was the one who kidnapped Persephone (at least that's what I learn in school) but then I remember that there are different variations of their stories so, shows you how much I know lol
Hello guys, just to give a little of mithological history what happen was that persephone(i dont know if i writed correctly the name)was daughter of demeter, the goddest of the olimpus have the logic to stay virgin, so demeter take his daughter away from the olimpus to prevent the other gods appear, meanwhile in the underworld, hades was affraid about some damages after Tifon, he was worried about the light get in the underworld, so he go to see the damage, while he was investigating, demeter and hes daugther was picking up some flowers and the godest of love and Qupido(again, i dont know if i write it right) use one of theirs arrows and Hades look at demeters daughter and fall in love thanks by the arrow, he take her and go back to the underworld, Demeter was desperate about his daughter desapear and she wants her until she decided to ask to the sun about her and the sun say where his daughter was and what happen, sad she go from greeces and the world farms where infertilized, becuases of demeter where not presents in the olimpus, Zeus send Hermes to the underworld to search demeter's daugther and found her with hades and tell him the message of Zeus to return her to demeter, hades say: "I will return her with hid mother while shes not eat nothing from the underworld" Hades before retrieving demeters daugther, he offer her seeds of grenade and she eats her, after demeter founds out about she eat something from the underworld, there was no way to bring her back, Hades who was in a good mood, decide by the time of springtime and summer shes have to stay with demeter, but, while the cold season, persepone, turn back to the underworld, lefting demeter in that time depressed and not making their god tasks. And there the stations appear. "Hey, you, if you read this message, congratulations, you read a lot of text and that i write this in my phone, so anyway, i hope give you some explanation of some of the stuff based in the Hades game so goodbye."
It's neat that they put this in because it actually was more of an arranged marriage that was set up by Zeus, what with him being Persephones' father and all. Hades being the bad guy who kidnapped Persephone was a later add in. It was basically Zeus' fault. Also, probably one of the most civil conversations between Zagreus and Hades that I have seen.
My knowledge about Greek gods is limited to what I've heard from others. Disney did Hades dirty, but from what I know actual Greek mythology of the Pantheon is that Hades cared for everyone who entered his realm, though he didn't approve of anyone leaving for any reason. It would be nice to have a VR world of each realm to visit. Not from anything already established in other games or movies, but based on the architecture of the past while looking more modern the more you were further away from where Hades resided.
If Zues was the one who mainly helped Persephone get into the Underworld then he already knew that Zagreus was the child of Hades and Persephone?, so he's just afraid to see Demeter crack because of what he did
In the myth Demeter nearly starved the entire world by stopping plant life from growing after learning Zeus had basically approved of Hades taking her daughter. He has ever reason to fear her.
I like that hades is the nicest out of all the Olympian gods but every other media portrays him as this demonic ruler of hell that eats souls for breakfast lunch and dinner.
I find this funny given I'd fear Hera or Demeter more if you're in their crosshairs. Hera because if Zeus happens to find you sexy, if you're a woman that is. And Demeter because, trees, don't fuck with the trees. Especially if that tree happens to be her favorite druid. Granted Zeg probably already knows about his Aunts mean streaks. But since Zeus is the King of the Gods. He will just as easily fuck you over as well.
@@blacknote6945 I’m not defending Zeus’ behavior or treatment of mortals (especially women), but I would be willing to look past some of it if he decided to smite Twitter
@@blacknote6945 Except Hypnos Because Hypnos getting his job by Hera to prank Zeus ended up him ALMOST getting zapped Until best Mom Nyx just, Scare the living crap out of Zeus Its also funny how Nyx and her Childrens barely do anything bad by themself, they just doing their job
So Zeus hooked his brother up by kidnapping him a wife. Is it weird that I think this is the nicest thing he's ever done? I don't even think he did something nice for Heracles or Hercules in the original myths.
Pretty much every Greek myth, especially the widely known ones have all kinds of variants. Even back during the time when Ancient Greece actively worshipped these gods, people would just make up new versions of older stories or even whole new stories. I’m pretty sure that Zeus taking Persephone and giving her to Hades is a legit version of the myth, and even if it’s not it really fits with the character of Zeus and how he acts across every myth he’s in.
To the previous repliers: "Zeus gave Persephone to Hades, Hades is completely innocent" isn't actually an accurate or legit version of the original myth at all. While there were many variants of every myth - the vast majority of which are lost to us - every single source we have now states that Hades abducted Persephone. In fact, the Homeric Hymn to Demeter, the earliest source we have of the Persephone & Hades myth, very explicitly says: "[Hades] seized [Persephone] against her will, put her on his golden chariot, And drove away as she wept." (transl. Gregory Nagy) There's nothing wrong with retelling myths or speculating about possible variants, but it's inaccurate to claim it's anything but retelling or speculation. (Sorry if I sound a bit harsh, there's so many misconceptions about the OG Persephone/Hades myth that I thought I'd set the record straight!)
@@demeterdefender Clarifying, I'm aware of the myth, so it should've been worded as "it sounds accurate". Regardless, Zeus would have likely had a hand in this given all the kidnappings he's done.
![[Hades] Zagreus finally finds out who hired Skelly](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/HxjlpUZ_DDw/mqdefault.jpg)
![[Hades] Expanding summons' responsibilities](/img/n.gif)
"You know nothing of tempers if mine is your frame of reference" Accurate. Hades has like, the least number of horrific responses to being offended or insulted among all the gods of Olympus.
Seriously tho. Even the other gods TASKED WITH HELPING YOU OUT get pissy and try to ACTIVELY MURDER YOU when you take another god's boon before theirs, even if you were planning on getting both anyways.
“You should see what my nieces can do, boy. And I’m not talking about when you pick someone else’s boon over theirs. And thank the Fates you’ve never run into Zeus’s wife!”
@@smnoy23 Hera would most likely treat Zagreus with respect and love just like her actual kids who she actually loves.
She just despises the ones that are not hers because she is literally the Goddess of Marriage and her own husband isn’t even faithful.
@@diousthomas8878 i mean, as long as you are not a bastard(aka a slap to her face and the domains she represents) Hera will be cordial with you
@@diousthomas8878 Reminder that Hera did throw her own child Hephaestos from the top of Olympus because he was born ugly.
Which made him ugly AND disabled.
So much for loving her family. Hera is even more of a bitch compared to all the others goddesses (she's also the one responsible for killing Herakles family, and poor dude took the blame for being possessed)
If anything the most reasonable gods are Hestia and Hades.
Hades anger at zeus is honestly quite reasonable...
Yeah.. I can feel for hades on that
And Persephone is Zeus's daughter. Father give his daughter to his big brother to become his big bro's wife. That sound so.....
And for Demeter. I kind of understand she. She is a single mom and Persephone is the only daughter she has. When her daughter disappear, surely mother must be very angry.
But Persephone isn't Zeus's daughter - I'm talking about the game lore, not the actual mythology. Demeter mentioned several times that Persephone's father was a mortal man, a farmer. I believe SGG tweaked the mythology to avoid problematic stuff as much as possible.
(I'm not trying to justify Zeus here, hell no, just clarifying things)
@@ferroxus
Thank.
@@ferroxus yeah I can understand that, since persephone is, not olny product of incest, but of rape to, and then she was given to his father older brother as a gift.
Hades: _ALL WOMEN ARE QUEENS_
Zeus: *IF SHE BREATHES* (cracks thunder) *_SHE'S A THOOOOOT_*
If she Breathes, Zeus wants to have him a piece. XD
If she breathes, Zeus wants to sleep with it.
@@mas8705 living, dead, animal if it’s legs can open Zeus is getting up in there
@@mas8705 And not necessarily as a humanoid...
@@deathking1019 just for the love of all that is holy and all that isn't. DON'T LET HERA FIND OUT!
Zag and Hades: having a moment of sincerity.
Orpheus in the background: "*DOOOOON'T LOOK BAAAAAACK*"
Interesting that on my playthrough this conversation happened in silence, Orpheus wasn't even on the house
Ironically, I got this scene the first time Orpheus was singing "Good Riddance".
After playing this game and finding their personalities closest to their actual counterparts, I can now see why the Greeks got so pissed off over Disney's version.
The film Hercules by Disney is fun to watch at most, but it’s definitely the most inaccurate rendition of the greek gods.
Except the most accurate thing is the quote, “And then along came Zeus!”
@@lordofbamfs-3941 Zeus literally ruins everything, again... for the 80th time this day
@@Saya-ng1sl it’s a fun movie but if you’re looking for accuracy then it’d be best to look somewhere else.
And God of War
Lord Hades : Woman Respecter
lord zeus: womanizer
PJ VC
Womanizer?! The man as fucked everything, he fucked a tree! He’s an everythingizer!
@@DrMDHyde wait,he did?
@@imanuelpeter8897 everythiiing
@@imanuelpeter8897
Basically, every Greek mythological story:
🎶And then along came Zeus🎶
He may be a bad father.
But the guy ain't a bad person.
Well he's a better father than all other Greek gods 'cept maybe Kratos. Don't quote me on that I'm not that much into Greek mythology.
@@holoqofholoqqia9503 Kratos isn't really a Greek God, he comes from the faith that was followed in the region before Hellenism became prominent and served a stint as Zeus' uncle (I think), but didn't survive to later, more established versions of the myth.
@@holoqofholoqqia9503 lol kratos killed his wife and daughter cause ares said go kill that temple. then he met his daughter in Elysium said he never was gonna abandon her then in 30 seconds theres a mashing button qte to make her stop hugging or leg. theres alot more fucked up shit hes done with his children
@@davidsmith7752 Right
@@tannerwilkins7583 Ok well there you go
"You know nothing of tempers if mine is your frame of reference"
Everyone on Olympus has to hide girls like contraband from Hera just to avoid having terrible things happen to them.
Aphrodite is rumored to have cursed the women of Lemnos to be smelly.
Sea storms are manifestations of Poseidon's temper tantrums.
Demeter *literally only makes winter happen because she's sad to not have her daughter*
Athena is probably the most well-tempered among the Olympians, but I hear that she was a major headache at birth.
Hephaestus is cripped *because Zeus cast him to the earth in a rage.*
Ares is basically a braggart and a bully, but that's not much of a temper thing.
Apollo ruined a small army over some cows.
Artemis turns men into stags for seeing her skinny-dip.
But Hades? Hades just gets mildly passive-aggressive while the world maligns him for ruling the land of the dead.
Athena cursed arachne for beating her in a fair competition and cursed medusa for getting violated against her will so yeah Athena was still a massive dick
@@leviponce7730 i don't know about arachne, but medusa it was said that she gave medusa her powers to defend herself against men who would violate her again,
@@leviponce7730 iirc wasnt it because arachne boasted about her skills being better than athenas when athena disguised as a mortal to invite her to olympus because she appreciated arachnes skills? or is that another version thing
@@rat3138 she did appear as in a disguise in the ovid poem but it was to chastise her for claiming she was better than a God. They have a challenge and Athena loses rips up the better weave and physically assaults aranche
Wasn't Hephaestus cast off Olympus as a child by Hera not Zeus?
Bruh, I know the game tries to make us hate Hades from the very start, and I can see why considering how he treatex Zagreus., but holy hell the more I think about it he is one of the most reasonable god of the lot, aside from Athena maybe. Like... Zeus really did kidnap Persephone, Demeter sent the world in an ice age because of that, and in the same time, he really has a hell of a lot more "work" compared to anyone on Olympus. Plus that most of the others are either squabling, getting drunk, causing random wars and the like. I like the fact that he isn't the "bad guy", just a misunderstood, angry, strict father that has a lot to deal with, including a son that mostly does what he wants.
It's not hate so much as Zagreus trying to find a purpose in life and Hades being completely and utterly dissapointed in him (for a reason -- Zagreus didn't do well tasks assigned to him) to the point that most of the time his only response to anything Zagreus does is bringing him down in the most petty manner. It takes two people to mend this is kind of situation, and Hades is the one more unwilling to do so.
But both of them certainly have enough reasons to act the way they do
@@mazanakaUA i mean i understand what you said but i feel like you misunderstood what i said. Hades obviously doesn't hate Zagreus.
@@susaac9755 Indeed, my bad. I equated "us" with "Zagreus" there.
@@mazanakaUA yeah we're more of a spectator if anything else.
Yeah in the original Mythology zeus didn't send persephone and hades did kidnap her, she did eventually come to love him but considering that is the worst thing hades ever did in greek myth he still remains the nicest of all the gods. Hera for example wiped out the indigenous population of an island with a tidal wave just because zeus tried to hide one of his bastard sons there.
The amount of time they spent on the writing and voice acting of this rogue-like is unbelievable.
Only unbelievable if you don't know Supergiant.
Blew my mind.
I'm pretty sure the art of Hades looking to the side is completely unique to this conversation, he's usually so stoic and blunt but had a reason to be visibly uncomfortable here and they went whole hog on it for something many players won't even discover for a while
@@pipedream2556 I don't think so. I've seen it multiple times, but it's really few and far in between.
Video title: What’s Hades’ problem with Zeus?
Video Length: 1:53
Me: ah, the short version, then
You could make a whole reality show about Zeus’ problems. JUST ZEUS.
The amount of time that it would take to explain that is equal to the amount of time Hades works,and Hades works ALL THE FREAKING TIME.
"You know nothing of tempers if mine is your frame of reference..."
That...that disturbs me if Hades has met people even he thought were tempermental, but then again given his family when they're ready, and he was known for being the most fair of the gods.
Considering Zeus has the temperament of a spoiled child, I imagine his wrath would be on a world-shattering scale compared to Hades.
They even show that during gameplay where certain rooms have two boons and after you pick the first one, the other gets buthurt that they didn't get first pick and try to hamper you in the encounter. And that was when they WERE TRYING TO HELP YOU
This is greek mythology. Hades frame of reference is his own dad. Who literally ate him.
Seriously, that's really concerning that Hades can't begin to offer a scope on how tempermental Zeus can be.
He was build over poseidon, in the beggining they where the same god , he had ties with the underworld(poseidon) also zagreus was also an underworld god that resurrected into dionisus and was supposed to take zeus throne after he grew old .
I am *FLOORED* by how myth-accurate that explanation is. I'm not used to people acknowledging that the whole "kidnapping Persephone" thing wasn't Hades' fault.
there's different versions of the myth is the reason. also it is a myth about greek gods so to say he/she is at fault is kinda already a fallacy. the bards tell us one thing we remember another and thus mythology is born
It's not actually myth-accurate at all - the earliest source we have of the Persephone & Hades myth is the Homeric Hymn to Demeter, which very explicitly states:
"[Hades] seized [Persephone] against her will, put her on his golden chariot,
And drove away as she wept." (transl. Gregory Nagy)
So kidnapping Persephone was 100% Hades' fault, and as far as I know all the Graeco-Roman sources we have for the myth state that this is the case. I understand the desire to make the Persephone/Hades "romance" more palatable to modern audiences, but it's completely inaccurate to say it's anything but a whitewashed retelling of the actual myth. (Sorry if I sound a bit harsh, this is just a misconception I've seen way too often so I thought I'd set the record straight! I can go into more detail about the Homeric Hymn if you're interested, it's a personal fave of mine.)
@@demeterdefender ah it was translated by a hungarian... the more you
blame eros
@Mullerornis All I'm saying is that this interpretation is not accurate based on the extant sources and it's incorrect to claim so. Doesn't mean people can't have fun with reinterpretation & speculation, though!
remember people, through EVERY iterations/versions of Greek mythology,
Hades is literally in the top "nicest" gods
He is also the only straight god, which is weird, considering all the others are bissexual
@@lucasAA927 whe don't know that for sure, whe only know the rest of the gods are bi because they think with their dicks all the time, Hades being an exception.
Nightmare 704 whe lmfao.
Lucas Arantes Alvarenga its ironic cause his son is pretty bi
It's a shame that modern pop culture almost always portrays Hades as evil...
I love how accurate this is. Hades is one of the Olympians who not only takes his job seriously but also is a pretty decent person.
Zeus basically impregnates any woman he thinks is hot, throws hissy fits when his ego is threatened and casually causes continental disasters
Hera constantly hunts down her husband's bastard children and makes it her mission to make their lives a living hell. The most famous example being Heracles where she basically drove him mad and had him kill his own wife and kids.
Not to mention she's hella petty.
Poseidon is SLIGHTLY more chill than Zeus, still his list of bad deeds is almost as long as his.
Aphrodite casually murders anyone who MIGHT be prettier than her or she doesn't like. Calling herself the "jealous type" is an understatement
Ares and Athena are constantly in a pissing contest with each other with the lives of mortals being lost in the process. Although they're both gods of war so they kinda get a pass.
Demeter throws hissy fits cause she doesn't get to see Persephone and threatens to leave the world in ice if she doesn't come to see her at least for half a year, EVERY YEAR
Dyonisus is basically the drunk uncle whose parties range from harmless fun to full blown city destroying clusterfucks...literally...
Hades, Hepheastus, Hermes ,Apollo , Eros and a few lesser gods are the ones actually pulling their weight without being assholes.
Remember how hades let heracles borrow cerberus to get his one labor done and just said
Just bring him back when ur done
And he did
@@gadrielvanorion9872 yea, or when he let Orpheus (I think)take back his girlfriend even tho it was against the rules. Not his fault he did the ONE thing both he and Persephone warned him not to do
@Filip Vadas Apollo skinned alive a guy who proved to be better with the lyre than him.
Hephaestus tried to rape Athena and ended up impregnate the Earth.
You'll find plenty of awful stuff for every god.
Poseidon can get fucked. Are we going to forget that Poseidon was ostensibly responsible for Medusa's creation? His...act on one of Athena's priestesses led to Athena punishing...NOT Poseidon but the priestess he had his way with and turned her into Medusa. She would wreak havoc until finally being killed by...(I forget his name) with her head being brought back to the temple of Athena.
Athena and Poseidon can both get bent.
@@elledy92 Also any human Apollo likes either likes him back and dies or doesn't like him back and he curses them.
Y'know that experiment where they connected the pleasure center of rats brains to a button, and the rats just started hitting the button like, all the time? To the point that they hit it instead of eating or drinking and all fucking died? Okay, now give one of those rats immortality, the power to wipe kingdoms off the map, and the temperament of a hungover badger. That's Zeus.
Y'know ... This is pretty accurate
Zeus as a horny honey badger would be terrifying
TIL.
Hades was said to be loyal and respectful towards Persophone, never betraying her (unlike zeus) and letting her go visit her mother, Demetria, the goddess of bountiful harvests, during spring and summer. It is said the periods when Persephone was on the underworld was a great sorrow for Demetria, this is why she doesn't work on Earth during winter and autumn.
And normally. Hades don't allow the death to return to the living realm. But when Persephone beg he to let Orpheus's wife return. Hades break his own law and let she go for Persephone. Eventhough it's end badly. I still think Hades is very sweet to his wife.
@@SGalliver Hades is the husband/wife we should strive to be toward our partner.
To be completely exact:
Persephone is with Hades during Winter and spring. Demeter is happy in summer because persephone is with her and she gets sad that persephone will soon leave during autumn. She is alone and devastated during winter and she gets excited that persephone will soon return during spring.
@@tychoderkommentator2989
Persephone eat 3 pomegranate seeds that make she have to stay at the underworld for 3 months each years (winter). She return at spring each years that make Demeter happy and fill the world with green again.
Hades did almost cheated on Persephone once actually. It's mostly just flirting and gifts giving nothing like sleeping with them. Persephone turned her into a garden mint. Hades had a lover before Persephone though called Leuce, she died of old age and was turned into a tree by Hades to memorialize her.
The amount of love for Hades from mythology is honestly refreshing.
So many times he's a villain in pop-culture bc he's "the King of the Underworld" so "tHaT mUsT mEaN hE's BAD".
He was arguably the nicest of the Gods and definitely among the Major Ones- I mean when the competition is Zeus, Poseidon, etc. it's not that hard to NOT look like an awful person.
Hades had a functional, healthy relationship with his wife. He often offered help to those who asked for it- he literally told Heracles that he can take Cerberus for one of his tasks but he has to bring him back (and on the topic of Hades' pup, Cerberus comes from Greek Kerberos which literally can be translated as Spotted so Hades named his dog Spot and that's the only translation I consider canon!).
There is only one myth I know of where Hades is "the villain" but considering the fact that our "hero" wanted to kidnap and marry Persephone in this one... Is He really?
Which is why I'm so amazed he even allows theseus to be in elysium. I'd imagine hades would still be livid at him
@@Loispealz34 Kidnapping persephone wasn't theseus' idea. He was only going along with it. The dude who planned to do it is still bound up in some pit
@@StarryxNight5 yeah I know it was piritous, but still, if I was hades I'd be Assmad
Someone read Harry Dresden for the Spot bit :)
@@Loispealz34 Perhaps Persephone has alot of explaining to do.
I like this interpretation of the story of Persephone and Hades. Hades doesn’t kidnap Persephone, he’s dragged into the Olympian drama of Zeus, and is forced to defuse this awkward situation with Persephone. Both Persephone and Hades probably felt pity for each other, and Persephone chose to stay with Hades after bonding with one another. Then they eventually developed their mutual friendship into something romantic, and Zagreus came to be
From what I gathered, Persephone liked Hades long before she got kidnapped.
I think Persephone herself kind of longing for certain level of freedom. Demeter after all is strict mother. She is kind but only let her hang with certain creature and people (but it's kind if understandable considering what happen between her and Zeus).
So when she's being kidnapped, pretty sure she's afraid, but this dude showers her with gift? He has dogs?? He let her rule equal like him? He has dogs??? (Cerberus is important, okay). Persephone kind of dig the free lifestyle?
@@cestalia you forgot ge have a dog
Not actually too far off from the most complete version of the myth in the Hymn to Demeter, where Hades kidnapped Persephone because Zeus said he could without telling Demeter. It was an arranged marriage as far as Greek society at the time was concerned, and Zeus was given the blame for most of the shit in the story, aside from Hades having Persephone eat some pomegranate seeds. They certainly did like each other after the marriage, but she didn't have eyes for Hades, as far as anyone can tell. Maybe she did, but it was never stated. Considering prior to this story, Persephone was nothing but the Queen of the Underworld, there is a chance she did want Hades, but probably didn't consent so much to the kidnapping thing.
there's a line you can get from Zeus earlier in the game where he says "hey nephew, you're my brother and Nyx's son right? I guess that's as close as a queen he can get down there, I tried to match him up with a more wholesome type but oh well"
I luv that the game has alll these hidden clues and tidbits about the ending and if your replay the game you go " OH SO THATS WHAT HE MEANT!!'
Throughout this entire game I was like "Godsdammit Hades would you just talk to your son?"
Yeah if only us idiots stopped dying FOR FIVE MINUTES, maybe the parchmentwork wouldn’t pile up.
Ever consider that?
Hades gave a teddy bear to his dog, he's the best.
Actually, you as protagonist buy it
OK the idea that nobody in this version of the Persephone myth was outright mailcious is FASCINATING! Even Zeus wasn't doing it to be cruel but bc he assumed it was a win win for two unhappy people and didn't stop to consider their consent. Its the same sort of obliviously chaotic, mood swinging cheery rudeness we've learnt to expect from his interactions with Zagreus.
Then bc that created a messy situation for all of them, they had to hide it, leading to Demeter not knowing where her daughter even was, her endless winter and distant demeanour brought on by MOURNING Persephone, while the goddess in question was struggling with her own unhappiness on Olympics, love for her husband and grief for the first loss she'd ever experienced being her own child. Things escalated bc of personal drama among a disastrous, powerful family who don't know what they're doing any better than normal people we as players know, and it's so much fun to humanise them in this was while still having so much fun with the unique perspective their godhood gives them on life and the world e.g. Death being a mild inconvenience
Wew, considering when Hera tried to dethrone Zeus, Hades was the one god that refused to do so. He must be a good guy.
Well, theres a lot going on in hell and hades gotta keep it in check. The others, literally everyone else? has quite a bit of time to spare and start shit with themselves and mortals. Not to mention every death other gods rack up all add to hades. More reasons to keep hades busy
Yeah..
That... And he also has to watch another half of the underworld aside from Hell of mortal...
*"The Tartarus"*
Hades: I don't have time to do that shit, I have work to do.
Hades and Hestia. Basically the oldest born Olympians refused to join the attempted coup.
@@cestalia😂
"What's Hades' problem with Zeus?"
He's met Zeus
Alternatively, "Zeus being born"
Nah, he would still be in chornos belly that way@@GenshinLover283
I am utterly shocked that the Greece god of the underworld is one of, if not best gods overall in the entire mythos. I mean sure he has flaws but compared to the rest of his godly “family” they pale in comparison to what they’ve done.
Hades was one of the kindest, most reasonable and most responsible deities in the pantheon. He did a thankless job that the other gods found to be unsightly and that mortals cursed him for. He was the first born son that got cheated out of his birthright but he wasn't resentful about it. He was faithful to his spouse while the other gods weren't. He wasn't petty and while he was stern, he was also fair.
@@yojimarusilverfang Hestia is pretty up there too, but the problem with her is that her stories and myths were so ubiquitous to the people of Greece at the time, they were never recorded. Still, what we do know of her basically paint her as the ultimate Big Good of the Greek Pantheon. The Ultimate Big Sis that not even Zeus ever though to anger and feared to disappoint.
@@Deathwings500 Funny how the eldest son and daughter were the the reasonable ones, while their younger siblings, nieces and nephews were largely assholes.
@@yojimarusilverfang hes downright reasonable when people walk into his domain and ask for stuff. he gave Perseus his helmet that he used when fighting the titans when Perseus was journeying to slay the medusa, he allowed heracles to take Cerberus to the surface only under the condition that he did so barehanded, and Orpheus could have had his deceased wife back if he followed hades instruction to the letter and not look back till they reached the surface but his lack of faith caused him to doubt and look losing his wife forever.
@@lunerblade13 But when Orpheus died, Hades made sure that they were together in Elysium, so not really lost forever.
This is one of the best/more accurate representations of Hades in fiction. He’s very stern, takes his job seriously, and hates the Olympian gods for pretty valid reasons. Just because he’s god of the underworld doesn’t make him a blindly evil villain.
and he respects his wife. take notes, zeus.
And did you see the jewels our boi has? The god of WEALTH is stacked!
I firmly blame Hades being mistaken as a villain on pop culture Christianity making him a Satan stand-in.
Sounds like Kratos, kinda.
@@lordofinnistrad8757 blame Hollywood though. Most Christians are more nuanced than that.
"You kow nothing of tempers if mine is your frame of reference, Zagreus." Is such a raw line. Especially when you know about the olympians.
Hades is so even-tempered because unlike most of his family that gets to loaf around in the lap of luxury on Olympus, Hades has an actual job, with tremendous responsibilities, that requires his utmost attention.
I’m so glad more media is bringing proper attention to mythos. Even if things are altered they’re still respectful of the history.
This Hades is actually closer to the mythology than what we used to see in media.
Having this conversation during Orpheus's theme was just perfection!
According to the myth, hades is angry at Zeus because Zeus tricked hades into being confined to the underworld. Honestly, I’d be pretty mad if someone did that to me
Oh yea, Zeus is like a known dick in greek myth
And the worst part is that it's a shit job that someone HAS to do, as in it's literally required in order for the world to function normally without everyone who died coming back for vengies.
Well, it's not "confined", but rather he got the underworld when by being the oldest of the brothers he should had the sky, nay, THE COSMOS, for kingdom.
But to be frank, better a Hades to reign over the underworld than any of the other two.
@@slynthehedgehog8061 true
On one hand, that was indeed a colossal dick move of Zeus to do to Hades.
On the other hand, Hades is the only god sane and responsible enough to actually manage the underworld as it needs to be. If Zeus was the one to do it instead, the place would explode from sheer negligence.
Hades loses to zag cuz he has a script glued to one hand
Zeus trying to be a wingman but makes it look like a kidnapping
I like how there was a bit of hostility when he said “gift”, as if just by calling Pesphone that was like treating her more like a object for Hades to do what he pleased instead of a woman, and knowing Zeus that’s probably what he was also thinking too.
Awwww, Hades just gets better and better with every clip. I'm glad their relationship is better now and he's being decent for a change. You'd think this would be the most difficult thing to get out of him, even after the multiple endings but he's finally opened up enough to speak about it, even if he has to skulk to the dark of the garden to do it. 😂😄
Hades may actually be the wisest of his whole family. Any damage Zeus, ares, Athena, poseidon, and many others do on the surface are sent to him after they die. Thats a whole lot of work, his brothers are egomaniacs.
When people call Hades the nicest god, its not cause we're ignoring stories that tell of his bad deeds. Its cause those stories are so few and those few have so many good and bad versions to such a degree we cant be sure which one is definitive. Compare that to the gods who have definitively done ALOT of subjectively terrible stuff to the point whole wars were fought because of it. Hades is harmless unless you find one of 3 versions of him that tells you he did a bad thing that was probably popularized during a famine.
Technically he never breaks his oaths. Even in the Orpheus tale. Maybe that's why we like him. He's loyal to a fault.
Every other Greek pantheon god's list of horrific things they did: *a scroll that goes on for a concerningly long length*
Hades' scroll of horrific things he did: *is a sticky note at longest*
Can we just get a moment to appreciate Zagreus saying "take care, father" at the end there? That's character development!
Lol, everyone shitting on Zeus but i think he genuinely thought he was doing a nice thing for his brother. Of course, he did in the most Zeus way and pissed off Hades and caused Demeter to go postal. Its refreshing, instead of Zeus flat being a douche, he a douche who had good intentions. The best thing about Hades is that its threat its characters like real people who flawed rather than caricatures. There's no villain, everyone just flawed, stubborn, egoistic in their own including Zags
"Remember your oath."
"......... Dusa, guess what dad told me."
God damn Hades is such a good character. Every line is like butter in my ears
Huh the lord of the Underworld having more tact and sense than the lord of Olympus, sounds about right to me
*Zeus:* HAPPY BIRTHDAY BROTHER! I BROUGHT YOU A GIIIIFT!🎶
*Persephone, tied up:* Sup
*Hades:* ZEUS WHAT THE FUCK
That's one way to sum it up
Zagreus: "Hey dad, why do you not like Zeus?"
Hades: *takes a big gulp of the strongest alcohol he has* "Where do I even start...?"
Hades shows that we definitely can mistake attitude for kindness. Hades can be dour and passive-aggressive, but he's by no means cruel or inconsiderate. We just simply tend to read crabby people as naturally rude or hateful, not really accounting how tired they might just be -- especially with Hades being the level-headed one and yet treated like the black sheep
What I like about this retcon to the myth is that it keeps the originals spirit alive, in the original Hymn to Demeter (where the story comes from) it places all the blame on Zeus even though Hades does the physical kidnapping, the hymn goes out of its way to absolve Hades of guilt for everything except the pomegranate nonsense
And even then the pomegranate is in some versions an action taken by Persephone herself.
loving all these!!!
Hades is the only Olympian a genuinely like. His punishments are less about ego and more about setting an import example.
They guy who roles a boulder up a hill everyday got punished because he left the underworld while dead. This action upsets a balance that is extremely important. Both life and death have an important function. It makes sense that such an extreme act was met with a fitting punishment.
Plus, I genuinely want a story where Zeus gets castrated.
i havent watched the video but from a mythological standpoint my answer is "because Zeus has absolutely no chill"
the only thing Disney got right about Greek Mythology is just the line
"And then along came Zeus..."
hades, god of war and even percy jackson:
hades is as nuetral and unbiased as death. he only does his job
disney's hercules: we can't have the real story in a kids film. make hades the bad guy cuz dying is bad
Mortals: You are an evil god cuz dying is bad.
Hades: I am not the god that killed you
Reminds me of The Devil’s carnival, where the Devil says this line:
“I am not in the business of killing innocent children, that’s God’s jurisdiction, I deal with the guilty.”
Okay but can we talk about how much shit ferroxus has holy moly. 137 NECTARS? my god
A year of playing, my friend.
@@ferroxus the dedication. But I can see how someone plays this for a year straight. I probably will too LOL.
Remember Hades was chillest god ever
Hades is frustrated and feels perpetually put upon, but he doesn’t get mad
Hades, the only Greek God who'll have my respect and admiration.
Respecting a kidnapper 🤮
"Father, why did you hate uncle Zeus so much?"
".....he once impregnate a woman from Sparta, giving birth to one of their strongest warrior....."
"And then ?"
"Ares made a terrible deal with him, so he tries to kill Ares. Later he founds out about how your friend, Thanatos, tortured and killed his brother, which further fueled his anger towards gods. Zeus tries to intervene by killing it's people, which made it worse"
"......."
"The man's unquencheable thirst for vengeance, for what Zeus and Ares has done lead him on several attacks on Olympians and their gods. Ares, Athena, Hermes, Thanatos, even myself and brother Poseidon."
"What of happens to the man father?"
"Athena banished him to the land of endless winter, luckily before he had a chance to killed Zeus"
"May i ask father, what's the name of this vengeful warrior?"
Asgard did also fear him,he also called his son as”Boi”.
Hades really gained all my respect with this one
I'd say Zeus lost all my respect but he didn't have much of it to begin with
I love how the comments are mostly discussions of greek myth and it‘s many confusing aspects. This game has rekindled former greek myth nerd kid‘s passion and I am here for it!
Honestly, the fact that they use such an obscure god as the protagonist AND make fun of some interpretations by having him and Dionysus make up his origin story as a prank is an incredibly clever joke that not a lot of people would even get without research.
I love the writing in this game
To everyone in the comments saying this isn’t how the myth goes, remember that there are literally thousands, possibly tens of thousands of Greek myth variants, with pretty much every single situation that ever happens having dozens of variants that can be wildly different.
Yet another problem caused by Zeus and his. Incredible bardism.
Hades is very blunt because it's his job to be.
In the myth, Zeus tells Hades if he likes Persephone so much just take her, which he does... Demeter goes into apathy and secludes herself from the world, which stops everything from growing (goddess of agriculture and all that).
Hades agrees to have Persephone live on the surface for half a year with her mother and the other half in the underworld where he will love her and whilst there "she will be treated as the Queen of Queens" (quote from OverlySarcasticProductions).
And this is why we have winter children.
Hades is a cool guy in the game but most problems he had with Zagreous were really of his own making. If he told his son the truth when he came out of age it all could turn differently. On the other hand perhaps Zagreous would never find Persephone nor have motivation to go and try to look after her/surface.
It’s funny that, going into this game knowing fuck all about the Greek gods and their myths, Hades’ attitude would instantly make you go “man what a tight asshole. The other gods are so much better!”, but in reality the moment you see any of the Greek gods, except maybe Athena because she’s chill as far as I remember, it’s probably nefarious as fuck
They don't call him Stalwart Hades in the myths for nothing.
The funny thing is that this isn't even a retcon to make the story of Hades and Persephone more palatable to a modern audience. Like...sure, his *reasoning* for doing it is as are many details, but even in the original myth Hades is explicitly absolved of all blame for the kidnapping and it's put entirely on Zeus. He ordered it, and as father of the bride (something that changed here for obvious reasons, hence changing the details to match) it was his right to trade her like that by contemporary norms.
I thought Hades was the one who kidnapped Persephone (at least that's what I learn in school) but then I remember that there are different variations of their stories so, shows you how much I know lol
all the gods in the game are slightly different than the ones in the original mythos. mostly to make the story happen.
@@Ed-1749 makes sense :)
Zeus never think of the consequences of his actions
I thought he was going to tell him that Zeus was his father (orphism myths) but this is acceptable too
That would've been boring and too Zeusy (if you know, you know)
Zeus, in his brothers own words, is a spoiled little Brat.
Can we all agree that Hades’ standing posture is awful?
Hades stands like a kid that just grew 9 inches that summer and stands like a lumbering bear cub
Just recently had this conversation, very interesting.
Zues is a child
Hmm how should I introduce hades to Persephone ?
Let them meet in small instances ?
No LETS STAGE A KIDNAPPING
Hello guys, just to give a little of mithological history
what happen was that persephone(i dont know if i writed correctly the name)was daughter of demeter, the goddest of the olimpus have the logic to stay virgin, so demeter take his daughter away from the olimpus to prevent the other gods appear, meanwhile in the underworld, hades was affraid about some damages after Tifon, he was worried about the light get in the underworld, so he go to see the damage, while he was investigating, demeter and hes daugther was picking up some flowers and the godest of love and Qupido(again, i dont know if i write it right) use one of theirs arrows and Hades look at demeters daughter and fall in love thanks by the arrow, he take her and go back to the underworld, Demeter was desperate about his daughter desapear and she wants her until she decided to ask to the sun about her and the sun say where his daughter was and what happen, sad she go from greeces and the world farms where infertilized, becuases of demeter where not presents in the olimpus, Zeus send Hermes to the underworld to search demeter's daugther and found her with hades and tell him the message of Zeus to return her to demeter, hades say: "I will return her with hid mother while shes not eat nothing from the underworld"
Hades before retrieving demeters daugther, he offer her seeds of grenade and she eats her, after demeter founds out about she eat something from the underworld, there was no way to bring her back, Hades who was in a good mood, decide by the time of springtime and summer shes have to stay with demeter, but, while the cold season, persepone, turn back to the underworld, lefting demeter in that time depressed and not making their god tasks. And there the stations appear.
"Hey, you, if you read this message, congratulations, you read a lot of text and that i write this in my phone, so anyway, i hope give you some explanation of some of the stuff based in the Hades game so goodbye."
I want a sequel , where zagreus realizes Olympus isnt the paradise he thought
I love how hades stands “🧍♂️”
Classic Zeus move.
I love this game.
That's it. Nothing else to add. This game is amazing. Simple as.
hades and satan get too much hate, in both stories they're just being placed where they don't want to be
0:26 *SWEAR TO ME* !!!
Damn they got the toes out
So you mean to tell this is yet another situation that came about because of zeus!?
Sanest olympian
Hades is actually right, if we're talking about tempers he has 4 siblings that have committed atrocities just for being slighted.
It's neat that they put this in because it actually was more of an arranged marriage that was set up by Zeus, what with him being Persephones' father and all. Hades being the bad guy who kidnapped Persephone was a later add in. It was basically Zeus' fault. Also, probably one of the most civil conversations between Zagreus and Hades that I have seen.
My knowledge about Greek gods is limited to what I've heard from others.
Disney did Hades dirty, but from what I know actual Greek mythology of the Pantheon is that Hades cared for everyone who entered his realm, though he didn't approve of anyone leaving for any reason.
It would be nice to have a VR world of each realm to visit. Not from anything already established in other games or movies, but based on the architecture of the past while looking more modern the more you were further away from where Hades resided.
in the myths, hades and Persephone are the most stable relationship in the greek pantheon.
If Zues was the one who mainly helped Persephone get into the Underworld then he already knew that Zagreus was the child of Hades and Persephone?, so he's just afraid to see Demeter crack because of what he did
In the myth Demeter nearly starved the entire world by stopping plant life from growing after learning Zeus had basically approved of Hades taking her daughter. He has ever reason to fear her.
Lol in this game hades is basically the burocrat of the Olympian. The guy basic live with a mountain of paper work
I like that hades is the nicest out of all the Olympian gods but every other media portrays him as this demonic ruler of hell that eats souls for breakfast lunch and dinner.
I would love if Hades got a sequel
GUESS WHAT DAMNIT.
@@nicodeangelo5842 Holy shit!!! Shame it won’t have Zagreus as the protag again :(
@@JustCallMeJohn Hey, at least we get to meet his sister. Who is also on a mission to kill Cronos, so that's fun.
Being a Fan of "LORE OLYMPUS" - Playing Hades was delightful, as the ideas somewhat aligned here and there.
Lore Olympus on webtoon is awesome
I find this funny given I'd fear Hera or Demeter more if you're in their crosshairs. Hera because if Zeus happens to find you sexy, if you're a woman that is. And Demeter because, trees, don't fuck with the trees. Especially if that tree happens to be her favorite druid. Granted Zeg probably already knows about his Aunts mean streaks. But since Zeus is the King of the Gods. He will just as easily fuck you over as well.
Hera's definitely fucked over Zeus's male lovers too, but yeah - worse if you're female because she'll go after any resulting kids, too.
is it me or has Zeus been getting away with it for thousands of years without getting canceled?
Cause those who tried to cancel him got zapped
@@blacknote6945 I’m not defending Zeus’ behavior or treatment of mortals (especially women), but I would be willing to look past some of it if he decided to smite Twitter
@@blacknote6945 Except Hypnos
Because Hypnos getting his job by Hera to prank Zeus ended up him ALMOST getting zapped
Until best Mom Nyx just, Scare the living crap out of Zeus
Its also funny how Nyx and her Childrens barely do anything bad by themself, they just doing their job
Oh nice. Correct me if I’m wrong but that sounds accurate to the original mythology.
So Zeus hooked his brother up by kidnapping him a wife. Is it weird that I think this is the nicest thing he's ever done? I don't even think he did something nice for Heracles or Hercules in the original myths.
Yes it is weird. Of all the shit he could do, he resorts to kidnapping. What the fuck?
hah i like how they spun it so zeus did it in this telling...
It's pretty accurate
I wouln't be suprised if it was a version of the myth at some point.
Pretty much every Greek myth, especially the widely known ones have all kinds of variants. Even back during the time when Ancient Greece actively worshipped these gods, people would just make up new versions of older stories or even whole new stories. I’m pretty sure that Zeus taking Persephone and giving her to Hades is a legit version of the myth, and even if it’s not it really fits with the character of Zeus and how he acts across every myth he’s in.
To the previous repliers: "Zeus gave Persephone to Hades, Hades is completely innocent" isn't actually an accurate or legit version of the original myth at all. While there were many variants of every myth - the vast majority of which are lost to us - every single source we have now states that Hades abducted Persephone. In fact, the Homeric Hymn to Demeter, the earliest source we have of the Persephone & Hades myth, very explicitly says:
"[Hades] seized [Persephone] against her will, put her on his golden chariot,
And drove away as she wept." (transl. Gregory Nagy)
There's nothing wrong with retelling myths or speculating about possible variants, but it's inaccurate to claim it's anything but retelling or speculation. (Sorry if I sound a bit harsh, there's so many misconceptions about the OG Persephone/Hades myth that I thought I'd set the record straight!)
@@demeterdefender
Clarifying, I'm aware of the myth, so it should've been worded as "it sounds accurate". Regardless, Zeus would have likely had a hand in this given all the kidnappings he's done.