Jim Cantore and Jen Carfagno have been deicing planes in The Lab! They take you behind the science of keeping planes ready for travel even in the iciest conditions.
As someone who working in the airline industry and used to de-ice aircraft there is a mistake, in a sense, that they made with their discussion. They state that de-icing is important, which it is, ice build up when the plane is on the ground can affect the aerodynamics and the ability of the flaps, etc., to operate properly. However, their model shows that without de-icing, a plane will freeze up when it reaches its altitude, which is usually 30,000 to 35,000 feet as a cruising altitude. Well here is my argument -- the air temperature is always freezing up there, even in the summertime. De Icing an aircraft does nothing to help a plan at higher altitudes. Just like when you go to a self service car wash and then drive away, all that liquid wax you just applied and and water just rolls off because of the aerodynamics and the force of the airflow pressing against it. The same thing happens with an aircraft, as it accelerates and lifts up on an angle, the solution gets blown away. De-icing is important but it also give people the sense of security that the plane is protected from the elements, when in fact it only protects from take off until it climbs up past 10,000 feet (as an estimate). If it was a 60-degree(F) day on the ground the temps would reach freezing after about 8,000 feet and at cruising level it would be about -48 to -66 degrees(F) outside so any moisture from going through clouds, etc, would already be frozen. The wings and flaps and engine area and cockpit windshield and nose are extremely heated, so the metal and glass melts any cold moisture in the air. The nose defrosts as well because of the amount of radiation heat that is thrown off from the nose radar unit. This are the temps up in the air: on a day where it was 60-degrees(F) on the ground: Height (feet) Temp (°F) Temp (°C) 5,000 41.17 5 10,000 23.36 -5 15,000 5.55 -15 20,000 -12.26 -24.5 25,000 -30.05 -34.5 30,000 -47.83 -44.3 35,000 -65.61 -54.2 40,000 -69.70 -56.7 60,000 -69.70 -56.7 100,000 -51.10 -46.1 150,000 19.40 -7
This video is super mis-leading. Condensation nuclei really only comes into play when the airplane is flying through clouds. The whole point of deice/anti-icing an airplane is to prevent snow/precipitation from freezing/sticking to the aircraft while it's on the ground. Once it's in the air, the ground de/anti-icing is no longer a factor. Best hope your airplane has airborne icing protection.
It is more like this: DC-12, MD-11, 737, and 767 gathered to see ERJ-165 laying on the crib (the hangar) without its anti-icing solution; at that point, Pilot Captain Colleen and Flight Engineer Rachael spent nearly 240,000 in automated heaters for the engines since the anti-icing solution was already in high demand...
Mr Cantore, you couldnt have shown a worse representation of de/anti icing in the world. As a deicing manager myself, your video not only explains it completely wrong, your video is horrendous. NEVER, EVER let someone spray your aircraft from behind!!! That will affect the way the flaps operate. This is taught on day one of deicing training. What we do one the ground has zero bearing on what happens in the air. They Type IV fluid is off the plane by the time its wheels up. Stick to hurricanes, and when wanting to discuss/teach outside of your element, you should perhaps consult with people who have been doing this for a very long time.
Trained as a Flight Attendant. Trust me “Deicing” is extremely important and necessary and therefore must be done accordingly.
Truth Always ikr
What does flight attendant training teach you about the importance of deicing exactly? Just curious.
As someone who working in the airline industry and used to de-ice aircraft there is a mistake, in a sense, that they made with their discussion. They state that de-icing is important, which it is, ice build up when the plane is on the ground can affect the aerodynamics and the ability of the flaps, etc., to operate properly. However, their model shows that without de-icing, a plane will freeze up when it reaches its altitude, which is usually 30,000 to 35,000 feet as a cruising altitude. Well here is my argument -- the air temperature is always freezing up there, even in the summertime. De Icing an aircraft does nothing to help a plan at higher altitudes. Just like when you go to a self service car wash and then drive away, all that liquid wax you just applied and and water just rolls off because of the aerodynamics and the force of the airflow pressing against it. The same thing happens with an aircraft, as it accelerates and lifts up on an angle, the solution gets blown away. De-icing is important but it also give people the sense of security that the plane is protected from the elements, when in fact it only protects from take off until it climbs up past 10,000 feet (as an estimate).
If it was a 60-degree(F) day on the ground the temps would reach freezing after about 8,000 feet and at cruising level it would be about -48 to -66 degrees(F) outside so any moisture from going through clouds, etc, would already be frozen. The wings and flaps and engine area and cockpit windshield and nose are extremely heated, so the metal and glass melts any cold moisture in the air. The nose defrosts as well because of the amount of radiation heat that is thrown off from the nose radar unit.
This are the temps up in the air: on a day where it was 60-degrees(F) on the ground:
Height (feet) Temp (°F) Temp (°C)
5,000 41.17 5
10,000 23.36 -5
15,000 5.55 -15
20,000 -12.26 -24.5
25,000 -30.05 -34.5
30,000 -47.83 -44.3
35,000 -65.61 -54.2
40,000 -69.70 -56.7
60,000 -69.70 -56.7
100,000 -51.10 -46.1
150,000 19.40 -7
It has deiceing strips
Forget the ice. Where do I find a plane with that much legroom? LOL
lol
Find anything besides United Airlines!
This video is super mis-leading. Condensation nuclei really only comes into play when the airplane is flying through clouds. The whole point of deice/anti-icing an airplane is to prevent snow/precipitation from freezing/sticking to the aircraft while it's on the ground.
Once it's in the air, the ground de/anti-icing is no longer a factor. Best hope your airplane has airborne icing protection.
It never said that
Very Informative. Thanks Jimbo. MWW
Does anybody notice that he's a freaking Giant
God bless you, please watch Living Waters on UA-cam
I’m sorry but this plane looks like a DC-10 and a 777 had a baby😂
More like a MD-11 and a 767
and the MD-11 cheated on the 767 with a 737 and somehow the tadpoles found the same egg
It is more like this: DC-12, MD-11, 737, and 767 gathered to see ERJ-165 laying on the crib (the hangar) without its anti-icing solution; at that point, Pilot Captain Colleen and Flight Engineer Rachael spent nearly 240,000 in automated heaters for the engines since the anti-icing solution was already in high demand...
0:24 Is that George H.W. Bush sitting down? 😂
Anti cold water saucing
Wow look at that leg room you don't get that in 2021
hmm.. so a special de ice pad....... right........................... because environment......... totally.... thats how it werkz
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Mr Cantore, you couldnt have shown a worse representation of de/anti icing in the world. As a deicing manager myself, your video not only explains it completely wrong, your video is horrendous. NEVER, EVER let someone spray your aircraft from behind!!! That will affect the way the flaps operate. This is taught on day one of deicing training. What we do one the ground has zero bearing on what happens in the air. They Type IV fluid is off the plane by the time its wheels up. Stick to hurricanes, and when wanting to discuss/teach outside of your element, you should perhaps consult with people who have been doing this for a very long time.
This is BYFAR IF NOT THE BEST VIDEO I've seen on the subject!!! Kudos to the creator!!!