The river Dee is in Aberdeen. Dundee is about 70 miles away. The Dee part of Dundee is thought to come from the Celtic/gaelic dè meaning fire and as said before Dun means fort.
My dad would have loved this! He was born in Scotland and spoke often of the Celts and the Picts. I was raised on the knee of this history and Scottish history in general. In my thirties I sold everything and moved to the UK and had to leave due to a death. I never made it back and it was truly home. I desperately miss home.
@Rad Derry Ye its something communists and rightist call people when they say something they dont like. It doesnt nessecarilly have to be so that your a libtard but man, dont forget your culture. Its important to know your heritage.
Your entire series on the Picts has been wonderfully informative. I am fascinated by the Picts and this time period, and I learned so much from your videos. Thank you!
Thanks for this content, I'm a galician boy in love with celtic culture and nowadays I'm studying english, this videos are the best way to improve my listening :)
Hilbert, no word of a lie, I once asked about Ogham on one of your recent videos. I had no idea you'd made this but finally getting around to researching it (which I tend to do after watching many of your post) this was recommended. As always, a great video and extremely informative.
Dun is an ancient Celtic word for fortress. Lyon, France is in Gallic, Lugdunensis, is the fortress of Lugh. In Irish, Donegal is Dun -na,-Gal, which means fortress of the foreigner. In Scotland Edinburgh in Goedelic is Dun -Aedin, (fortress of -Aedin Magauran). The name Oggham is from the Pre-Christian "Lord of knowledge"-Ogma.
Interesting.. Did you also know about a people called the picts in France that had to run away after political persecution.. The remit was to demonize words and the picts were demonized just prior to these people in Scotland being called the picts.. Also the word pict sounds like the word for ancients.. As for the symbols in the stones.. many of these represent geometric solutions to keep lines parallel and how to kind of square the circle by using cresents, circles and squares in a ratio system.. If you understand this above fact then you have to wonder about how the symbols look exactly like the masonic symbol.. so if we say the last picts existed around 900 ad.. and Robert the bruce was around 100 years later and loved by many and we have his allegory of the spider... its sounds like a wonderful conspiracy..
Absolutely love these videos on the more niche and mysterious topics. Also the less so are never covered much on other UA-cam channel. This channel is brilliant hope you keep going and have enthusiasm for it because it's great and I've learnt so much about my ancestors from it! Thank you!
you should finish this series on the pics it's really well put together it would be a shame not to finish your work. thanks for the information so far . i subbed
Manx is still spoken. According to UNESCO it it remains a dead language since the last native speaker died in the 1970s. I have read somewhere that he recorded feverishly with scholars at the end of his life, and only about an estimated 80% of the language was recorded if I remember correctly. They are reconstructing the rest of it from Gaelic and Old Norse (the parent languages) last I read. All of this is if my memory serves me correctly.
@@MrGalpino ……The Angles, Saxons, and Jutes were def influenced by and made my great variations on the knot work art for sure. I think, and it is just my opinion, that all of the cultures that arrived in Briton, by the Roman period and after, had a hand in the evolution of the art. The Romans would have def known interlacing and knot work as it also appeared in the ancient Near/Middle East and beyond. Ancient Briton/Archaic Briton and Ireland also show signs of some type of cultural exchanges with possible Egypt as there are some symbols too close to be coincidence and cultural contacts with the pre-Celtic cultures and North Africa being more than surmised at this point in our historical data.
I don't know if you mentioned it in your video but in Welsh, the word for 'zigzag' is 'igam ogam'. Considering that a zigzag is a series of angled lines and so is the Ogham language, one could infer that the similarities in appearance led to the similarities in name. Could just be a coincidence of course.
You bring up how Catholicism was like a sponge and the cultures that were converted would incorporate paganism with it. This reminds me of our current holidays like Christmas, Halloween and Easter which still have pagan symbolism. You should make a video on these, it would be pretty neat.
I agree. He said Catholicism is 70% Christian now but was 70% pagan then. I think it is still 70% pagan. Just a bit better disguised or we dont know enough of our pagan heritage
Mac=son MacDonald/McDonald. Son of Donald/Donal. O' = Grandson of. O'Brien/O'Connor etc. Nee =daughter Maire Nee Bhrian (Ni) Mary daughter of Brian. Used now in standard English to denote a married lady's maiden name ie Mrs Ann Garvey Nee Walsh. (Ann , wife of Garvey, daughter of Walsh)
You have Orkney and Shetland mixed up on your map! Did you know Aberdeen's prefix ABER is 'common Britannic' and old Welsh, meaning 'between' in Aberdeens case it's between the rivers Dee and Don. In Wales today there are places begining with ABER, example Aberystwyth. You pronounced North/South Usit correctly but along with the Isle of Lewis they form the Outer Hebrides, where as Skye being the largest of the 11 Isles that form the Inner Hebrides.
This was really good. Youre amazing. Please do more culture/language videos. Have you considered doing prehistoric cultures? Yamnaya, neolithic farmers, stone age hunter gatherers? You could pull it off!
History With Hilbert As a suggestion could you do a video about the English civil war in the 1600s. Don't think many people know a lot about it. Thanks if you consider it.
Dear History with Hilbert I was wondering if u have any videos about the Austrian (& Swiss) Celts? I'm very interested in how the Celtic cultures there emerged and how it changed into Germanic speaking. From Hallstatt to LaTéne. Also I find it interesting the Raetian culture/language that existed in Austria before/alongside(?) the Celtic.
Patrick was from possible from Cumbria. The place Aspatria near Carlisle, means Patrick's ash. It's very close to the coast, and possibly his birth place.
I'm from Ireland (County Wexford). I studied Celtic Civilisations in university, and now I am living in the Pictish capital of Fife in Markinch, Scotland. You mentioned sharing your sources. Where might I find them?
So basically here's a suggestion...venture to study the history outside ur own land and see what they teach. It's like you have a biased education. Nothing to boast about. Like you come out of the shoot firing ur credentials but the punchline is they closed bias. Wow. Why is ignorance so bold?
Your videos are awesome. I recon I've watched 5 hours plus of them over the last few days. Keep this up, get Patreon. Genuinely my favourite youtube at the moment.
My family originate from Tyrone in Ireland. I discovered yesterday in my families book past down from generation to generation a page with this Ogham rune. After a load of research and a couple of phone calls later I discovered that it read O'Neil my family name. However I later discovered that O'Neil literally means descendant of Nèill or cloud. I'm currently learning the Ogham symbols and old irish language to kinda return to my routes if you will. I'm finding that the pronunciation is strangely similar to Icelandic. Pretty cool right 👍
@@lauridscm1 I believe so. Irish monks and merchants settled on the southern tip of Iceland so there'd be men and women. I've done a ancestry DNA test and I have one relative over there so judging by that I'd say your bang on correct. However there is no Irish accent over in Iceland, that may be due to isolation and time. The Norse settlers were more prominent.
@@Tipi_Dan I know that song very well; my first ever vinyl album was "Ummagumma" which I bought in Belfast in around 1971 during my very brief carreer as a sailor ;) Oh and btw, i think the full title is "Several Species Of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together In A Cave And Grooving With A Pict."
I like keeping this content in one or two long videos. As a new arrival at the channel, knowing you have a Picts series makes me to hunting for them all and I'm still not sure I found the whole set, while finding the Gauls video was easy. I do love how much more content this series has, though; maybe 2-3 one-hour-long videos I can settle into when I have the time might be ideal.
This language looks simple, but oddly pretty. It reminds me of morse code - not dots and dashes, but number of slashes and orientation of the slashes. How cool.
Now there's a thought.. they had a war horn/trumpet called a carnyx. As it's played, tongue in the head of the trumpet can be clacked up and down, to make certain sounds and patterns. From what I understand, it was for intimidating the enemy and giving certain commands in battle, but I wonder if they could use it to send messages across the battleground in a "morsecode" fashion? Might be a massive reach, but I guess it could be used in such a way.
Interesting. So much is shrouded in the darkness of time. I appreciate the "flash light" you shed, even though the light's penetration is limited . Thanks for posting.
Is there any guess about how Ogham was pronounced? I guess there are guesses from still existing languages? When I hear someone read something old in an original pronunciation, like real Shakespeare, it is fascinating!
This is fascinating! Thank you! I've always been fascinated by Ogham script. You've truly shown a lot of insight into it. Abbreviations were extremely common in Roman inscriptions, as well - names, titles, there was even a symbol for a freed slave. Greetings from the US from someone whose native language is Yiddish, and who's married to someone whose native language is Irish Gaelic! (You can imagine our fights LOL)
You're both rare nowadays! I'm both Jewish and Scottish (one parent each) and I don't know anyone who has Yiddish as a first language or Scottish Gaelic, although I do know people who are trying to learn one or the other out of a desire to connect with their heritage and make sure the languages don't die out. I'd really like to learn Yiddish but I have hella ADHD and my brain does not want to absorb information at all right now.
@@AM-kr4pv LOL My son's fiancee is from Salonika; part of their marriage contract is that their kids will speak Yiddish and Ladino - THEN Hebrew. I'm learning Ladino for her
@@SgtRocko that's really cool and also lovely that you're learning Ladino for your future daughter in law! I'm glad your family has a dedication to keeping these languages alive. I reckon Ladino has even less attention on it than either Yiddish or Gaelic, I know so little about it.
Thank you for the inspiring and interesting video. Seeing norse runes by ogham, it occured to me that most runes have vertical stroke in the middle. Could it be that they also begun as ogham-like way of writing, and where later broken into individual characters for convenience and space utilization? Second point, chiselling ogham on an edge of a stone automatically brings more readability, because chisel cannot slip and make one sided stroke into something between one sided and two sided grapheme. That implies that edge-writing is perhaps older than writing on a common carved line, and latter was maybe introduced because there would be more space on a flat face of a stone, while the number of edges on any given megalith is rather limited. The symbols for start and end of sentence could be interpreted as stylized pictures of vertices where three faces meet (top and bottom points of an edge, respectively). Third point, these are all phonetic scripts, yet they are completely abstract, strokes do not attempt to picture any object, like original Phoenician alphabet did, but instead aim to make a number of differing combinations made of few primitives. It is sort of like if Chinese would had made script out of I Ching symbols, rather than from stylized icons. Anyway, this is probably a peek into an ancient Stone Age culture heritage which survived Iron Age and even up to early Middle Ages.
My mind keeps going to the neolithic and and early bronze age Doggarland and how there is a lot of interconnected populations at that time - including more than one unifying religion (which has since been lost to time). It makes me wonder if there isn't some previous proto-script that we don't have physical evidence of - one that overlapped both ogham and futhark.
Even in the ancient languages whose words we can decipher (i.e. Latin or Greek) we can still miss the meaning of the sentences because they speak in jargon once understood but long forgotten. In the song Convoy from the 70s, he speaks in CB talk. One line mentions bears in the air. We know it means a police helicopter but in 1,000 years it would be considered fantastical because bears don't fly.
~21:00, I don't know of any in english (since english doesn't use accents) but I know that in Welsh a means and and â means at (or something like that, I don't know the exact definition of â, but I know that it's used after ymweld, which is visit; so I will visit the store would be: dw i'n mynd i ymweld â'r siop).
that writing looks ancient , for some reason king og and the tribe of ham come to mind , everytime caledonia is mentioned i think of chaldean , wonder if there is a connection somehow , or not
Dál Riada were not the only Irish to live in Scotland..The Dál Riada were still, depending upon the year, under the ultimate authority of the Rí Éireann (Ard Rí) (High King) and as a seafaring nation the Irish travelled regularly all over Scotland and the rest of Celtic Britain. also the language map shows Gallic in Scotland on its own timeline? It came directly from Irish.. I scored a bird n the Isle of Skye (Oileán Sciathanach) who spoke Gallic..I speak Irish and we had no problem speaking together.. and stuff.. (Nice) Irish is the 'mother tongue' of Manx (Oileán Mhanainn..named for the Irish Sea God Manannain Mac Lir) and Alban (Scotland)
Your use of “Irish” and “Ireland” is wrong here. Ireland as a concept didn’t exist back then. Gaelic culture was in argyle centuries before Fergus mor arrived we know this because there is no evidence of a culture change ie. new types of building and objects ect... in the region. So most likely the Gaels had always been in the region (most likely due to trade) and eventually forming the Dál Riata kingdom. Calling the Gaels that lived in argyle for centuries before dal riata formed “Irish” is a bit incorrect, Scotland was a hotpot of languages and cultures during this period, Britons, Picts Gaels all fighting for control and Picts and Gaels eventually uniting due to threat from the Angles and Norsemen
@Síofra Loughlin-Bestawros Actually Samhain was just the Gaelic celebration for the end of harvest season. Pretty much all Celtic/Pagan cultures celebrated something similar. The Britons did as well. Most likely the Picts did also but we’ll never know due to their culture being completely wiped out by Irish. Also dna debunked my “myth” on what count? That Gaelic wasn’t in modern day Scotland before Dal Riata. Considering the proximity and the lack of any evidence suggesting a culture shift I find that highly unlikely.
Aye, and this will be due to Irish, Gaelic and Manx being Goidalic languages which as you say Irish is the "mother tongue" of all goidalic languages. Real shame about those Picts though (and technically they didn't even call themselves Picts but Cruithnia). I think that the Irish had been culturally expanding through trade along the hebridies and the west coast for centuries, and the creation and expansion of Dalriada only sped up the process - but that's just my opinion
@History With Hilbert Did you ever do a part 2 on this? I tried to so some searching on your channel and haven't found anything as of yet. and it's been 4 years lol
One is in the British Museum in London, a standing stone with Ogham Script found in Co. Cork 1826 Deelish township,the stone is fine grained red sandstone 380 million years old.
About Dublin my great grandmother was from there she was Irish of Scandinavian (Norwegian and Swedish) ancestry and her mum was Scandinavian (Swedish) Scottish they are from my Grandfathers mothers side. So my Grandfather is half Irish not shore if he can speak any Irish. Would have to ask him or some of my Irish relatives. Would that be of any help for this subject. I know my mum can't speak any because she and and her parents were born in England.
Actually, help is closer to hand than you realise. I am an Irish speaker... So, ask away. To start you off, as a rule Irish/Gaelic words are generally stressed on the first syllable. Hence Dal REEada, not Dal RiAAda.
Full marks for your comments at the beginning on pronunciation. It is Dal Ríada, (d not t). The accent is on the í, so Ðal Ree-uðu is the proper way to say it, using eth for the th sound..
Okay okay we know stop mincing things ur cluttering up the comment section. I hope in two years time u have learnt the futility of making petty posts as these things tend to work themselves out. You see in two years since ur post, the proper pronunciation is widely known and used. Do you see the vanity and uselessness of ur post? It's like harassment. Petty stupidity. So for two years it's safe to assume you have been making stupid uninteresting petty annoying posts. What a jerk.
This is 4 years old so you probably know by now, and I also could be wrong myself, but years ago I read that "dun" is city in gaelic. So Dundee means "city on the dee river." Or something akin to that.
Hey there, enjoy your work pal, your videos are very good. As an Irish national I am delighted you pronounce "Ogham" correctly. I have an assumption that when you take the translation to English and get "Point Seem" it more refers to the centre line as the "seem" and the branching lines are the "points" along the seem. Just a theory I have. The word "Dun" mean a fortified place. One more theory for you. In the areas in the South West of Ireland that I am familiar with that are hot spots for Ogham stones all appear to be accessible by water and connected to the sea. Which might explain the lack of Ogham stones in certain areas of Scotland.
yeah even now we have tonnes of pagan and even Zoroastrian religions in our modern church. heck we still have a holiday called "chiakokonoba" in which we make a big fire and jump over it to cleans ourselves of demons with fire and there are many places where you would still see people sacrificing animals near churches. and heck even st. george has been fused with our old warrior moon god, which is probably why in terms of popularity he's almost level with god and jesus. although it's the georgian orthodox church not roman catholic and that's why i think what you said about Catholicism can also be applied to orthodoxy and really any big enough organized religion.
Absolutely, that's one of the ways the Europeans were converted to Christianity, by merging native beliefs with the new religion. Yeah absolutely, It was the same in the east as it was in the west.
The presence of the term MAQI doesn’t suggest Goidelic exclusively. The Welsh word for ‘son (of)’ is ‘MAB’ (Q vs B comes from the Q-P differences). It’s often written as AP where Scots and Irish use MAC/MC.
Yes it does Mac or Maq is Irish... Being as the Picts were P celtic they would have used Map- mab surname instead of the Irish Mac or Maq. Q celtic and P cltic differences are fundamental to early Irish and Brittonic. Bede mentions some pictish words and they have a P which suggests P celtic. An example of a pictish name is *Onuist map Vurguist.
Many languages also use optional vowels in certain texts. Orthodox Christian Greek, some forms of Slavic languages and some formats of Arabic come to mind
funny coincidence that earlier today I was reflecting on how Dundee isn't on the River Dee. It's on the Tay. The Dee flows through Aberdeen. Aberdeen also has the mouth of the River Don and could almost have been called Aberdon
Love it man, an-ṁaiṫ ar fad. If yoy could do an in depth comparison of the Irish, Pictish and Futhark it'd be brilliant. This video has lots of good stuff, thanks!
GH in Scotland and Ireland is not silent as in English but in the Irish lough or the word aught which the Scots would pronounce ocht.I assume ogham would be Aucham.Even in old English or Anglo Saxon gh is a slightly softer version of the ch sound .
Scotti meaning pirate might very well be the case, but seems more reasonable to assume it's a Romanised version of Is Cottaidh (or 's Cottaidh) meaning "We are the multitude of Cot"., with the Cot or Cat being a tribe. Maybe the Cot / Cat were Gaelicised Picts, i.e/ Cruithin, in Ulster. The Cruithin territory was around Dal Riata in Antrim. 'Dun' as in Dundee means 'fort'.
Ogham was a numerical cypher, so its use is similar to morse code or semaphore. They were using it to get round a taboo against actual writing. Correspondences to letters like Q and Z suggest that the system may have originally been designed to represent something other than Old Irish.
I think on the Maiden Stone, the inscription IRATADDOARENS might contain the Latin word "ERAT" which appears in the Book of Kells which was likely written at Iona
You think so? I put s on the o for os-gharm and google translate got 'move me' in ighbo. If ogham is inscribed on a stone, there is something under it.
Latin did not become the vernacular language in Ireland despite the disappearance of Ogham found on objects. This would seem to have disconnected the spoken language from the "written record". And the vast majority of Irish were Latin-illiterate - continuing to speak their particular Goidelic variants - while the new religious class presumably spoke vulgate latin and irish? Q: in the Type I Ogham - what were the most common subjects? Were they proclamations of ownership? Memorials? Contracts? What was being said?
The runic and ogham inscriptions on the same stone at 24:03 is it the same message in both scripts? Similar to the rosetta stone? Or are the two messages unrelated?
I have some conflicting feelings on ogham. On one hand, it's way too time consuming to be practical for writing in manuscript. On the other hand, the adoption of the 18 letter Roman alphabet has been the bane of Irish and Gaelic learners for centuries.
however, the latin alphabet was never designed for celtic languages either. i dont speak gaelic, but ive tried to learn a little out of interest and the latin alphabet is not fit for purpose for describing the phonetics of gaelic. it makes it very confusing learning the digraphs, trigraphs and tetragraphs purely because the individual phonetic components rarely have any equivalent value with the phonetic being described by the combination of latin letters. these are sounds that would be better described by their own letter like what exists in ogham and futhark.
We don’t know the true meaning of it because the country went through mass genocide and invasion over and over again. Many tablets, stones and manuscripts were destroyed, many people were killed.
Robert Graves book the white goddess, does a lot of background in bardic tradition, the language of trees, but he himself said it became more poetic than historical, but its a hell of a read just for the ammount of research he put into it.
Have you made a video on Medieval Latin or do you have any tips about the best way to learn it at all? (I've got to learn it for my Medieval History MA). Any tips would be greatly appreciated, thanks
Dun means fort so Dundee means fort on the dee
Thanks for clarifying this!
The river Dee is in Aberdeen. Dundee is about 70 miles away. The Dee part of Dundee is thought to come from the Celtic/gaelic dè meaning fire and as said before Dun means fort.
Would "dun" have the same meaning in Ireland? There's a place close to where I live called Dundonald, is that the "fort of Donald" then?
Pianissimo It literally means 'Donall's stronghold' so essentially yes.
A better translation would be 'Scumdee'
My dad would have loved this! He was born in Scotland and spoke often of the Celts and the Picts. I was raised on the knee of this history and Scottish history in general. In my thirties I sold everything and moved to the UK and had to leave due to a death. I never made it back and it was truly home. I desperately miss home.
@Rad Derry Ok liberal. You go throw your ancestry in the trash can but i won't.
@Rad Derry Ye its something communists and rightist call people when they say something they dont like. It doesnt nessecarilly have to be so that your a libtard but man, dont forget your culture. Its important to know your heritage.
Your not the only one that was spoon fed this stuff from the cradle. So whut.
You used alot of words to say ...you miss scotland.
Come back please
Your entire series on the Picts has been wonderfully informative. I am fascinated by the Picts and this time period, and I learned so much from your videos. Thank you!
Thanks for this content, I'm a galician boy in love with celtic culture and nowadays I'm studying english, this videos are the best way to improve my listening :)
Hilbert, no word of a lie, I once asked about Ogham on one of your recent videos. I had no idea you'd made this but finally getting around to researching it (which I tend to do after watching many of your post) this was recommended.
As always, a great video and extremely informative.
Dun is an ancient Celtic word for fortress. Lyon, France is in Gallic, Lugdunensis, is the fortress of Lugh. In Irish, Donegal is Dun -na,-Gal, which means fortress of the foreigner. In Scotland Edinburgh in Goedelic is Dun -Aedin, (fortress of -Aedin Magauran). The name Oggham is from the Pre-Christian "Lord of knowledge"-Ogma.
Interesting..
Did you also know about a people called the picts in France that had to run away after political persecution..
The remit was to demonize words and the picts were demonized just prior to these people in Scotland being called the picts..
Also the word pict sounds like the word for ancients..
As for the symbols in the stones.. many of these represent geometric solutions to keep lines parallel and how to kind of square the circle by using cresents, circles and squares in a ratio system..
If you understand this above fact then you have to wonder about how the symbols look exactly like the masonic symbol.. so if we say the last picts existed around 900 ad.. and Robert the bruce was around 100 years later and loved by many and we have his allegory of the spider... its sounds like a wonderful conspiracy..
Isn't Briga the name for fortress and Dun/Dūnom for stronghold in Proto-Celtic??
Absolutely love these videos on the more niche and mysterious topics. Also the less so are never covered much on other UA-cam channel. This channel is brilliant hope you keep going and have enthusiasm for it because it's great and I've learnt so much about my ancestors from it! Thank you!
you should finish this series on the pics it's really well put together it would be a shame not to finish your work. thanks for the information so far . i subbed
Manx is still spoken. According to UNESCO it it remains a dead language since the last native speaker died in the 1970s. I have read somewhere that he recorded feverishly with scholars at the end of his life, and only about an estimated 80% of the language was recorded if I remember correctly. They are reconstructing the rest of it from Gaelic and Old Norse (the parent languages) last I read. All of this is if my memory serves me correctly.
What about the “knot-work” art and the developing of the “Celtic crosses”??
Other youtubers say those are very Anglo-Saxon. I think it was Survive the Jive.
@@MrGalpino ……The Angles, Saxons, and Jutes were def influenced by and made my great variations on the knot work art for sure. I think, and it is just my opinion, that all of the cultures that arrived in Briton, by the Roman period and after, had a hand in the evolution of the art. The Romans would have def known interlacing and knot work as it also appeared in the ancient Near/Middle East and beyond. Ancient Briton/Archaic Briton and Ireland also show signs of some type of cultural exchanges with possible Egypt as there are some symbols too close to be coincidence and cultural contacts with the pre-Celtic cultures and North Africa being more than surmised at this point in our historical data.
They are Celtic,and you find them in Egypt,as far south as Sudan,
Greetings from across the pond. Thank you for posting these videos. I'm finding them fabulously interesting.
I can't believe I haven't found your channel until recently, really like the content and delivery. Subscribed and looking forward to more videos.
Thanks for all your videos :) I'm only a recent subscriber and I was so excited to see this one about Ogham pop up! I love Pictish history.
I don't know if you mentioned it in your video but in Welsh, the word for 'zigzag' is 'igam ogam'. Considering that a zigzag is a series of angled lines and so is the Ogham language, one could infer that the similarities in appearance led to the similarities in name. Could just be a coincidence of course.
Iolo Cowell the name comes from the Irish god Ogma or from Og-úaim like in the video
Any idea why he gives his name to zigzags in Welsh?
Ogma gave scripture to humans, scripture looks like zigzags? :v
Fascinating! Thanks!
Ogham is not a "language", it's an ALPHABET, which was used to write Celtic languages (plural).
You bring up how Catholicism was like a sponge and the cultures that were converted would incorporate paganism with it. This reminds me of our current holidays like Christmas, Halloween and Easter which still have pagan symbolism. You should make a video on these, it would be pretty neat.
DoubleDee Halloween was an ancient Celtic festival called Samhain that the Irish sorta spread
I agree. He said Catholicism is 70% Christian now but was 70% pagan then. I think it is still 70% pagan. Just a bit better disguised or we dont know enough of our pagan heritage
I thought everyone knew this already. 🙄
The paganism behind these holidays is a bit overstated IMO, although it's still there.
I'm reading abot the celtic culture and of course the Druids and is addictive, 😍😍😍, Thanks a lot for sharing this information.
Mac=son
MacDonald/McDonald. Son of Donald/Donal.
O' = Grandson of.
O'Brien/O'Connor etc.
Nee =daughter
Maire Nee Bhrian (Ni)
Mary daughter of Brian.
Used now in standard English to denote a married lady's maiden name ie
Mrs Ann Garvey Nee Walsh.
(Ann , wife of Garvey, daughter of Walsh)
Sorry Martin. 'Nee' for a maiden name is actually French. Née means 'born'.
I always thought O' means more "descendant of"
@@sortastrategy6613 That's what I was told. My surname means Descendant of Nèill or Cloud in old irish.
O’ just means Of, not specific to Grandson.
@@xotan The Irish for daughter is iníon. So Ní is like an abbreviation
10:54 Noooo! You got Shetland and Orkney mixed up! (it's the other way around)
You have Orkney and Shetland mixed up on your map!
Did you know Aberdeen's prefix ABER is 'common Britannic' and old Welsh, meaning 'between' in Aberdeens case it's between the rivers Dee and Don.
In Wales today there are places begining with ABER, example Aberystwyth.
You pronounced North/South Usit correctly but along with the Isle of Lewis they form the Outer Hebrides, where as Skye being the largest of the 11 Isles that form the Inner Hebrides.
brythonic,p celtic,spoken allover britain,eg,galloway,galwegia,meaning foreign gael.
Isn't that supposed to be North/South 'Uist'? - in West Hollywood , CA 90046 here.
Aber means mouth of the river.
@Rad Derry Caledonians spoke Cumbric a related language to Welsh, irish spoke Gaelic, scots came from Ulster....
No, it doesn't mean "between", it means; the mouth of a river/an estuary.
This was really good. Youre amazing. Please do more culture/language videos. Have you considered doing prehistoric cultures? Yamnaya, neolithic farmers, stone age hunter gatherers?
You could pull it off!
A agree
this is a great channel hilbert. very honest and good work
There’s a Pictish Ogham carving revealing the word “Uuract”’ ‘to make’.
That’s at Burian, Orkney.
Defend you beliefs!!!
Watching this video with a cup of tea.
Ah nice! I've been necking a lot of tea with honey in an attempt to get my voice back xD
History With Hilbert As a suggestion could you do a video about the English civil war in the 1600s. Don't think many people know a lot about it. Thanks if you consider it.
Dear History with Hilbert
I was wondering if u have any videos about the Austrian (& Swiss) Celts? I'm very interested in how the Celtic cultures there emerged and how it changed into Germanic speaking. From Hallstatt to LaTéne. Also I find it interesting the Raetian culture/language that existed in Austria before/alongside(?) the Celtic.
The Celts were pushed out of what is now Austria, Germany, and Switzerland by the Teutons (Germanic people).
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Patrick was from possible from Cumbria. The place Aspatria near Carlisle, means Patrick's ash. It's very close to the coast, and possibly his birth place.
I'm from Ireland (County Wexford). I studied Celtic Civilisations in university, and now I am living in the Pictish capital of Fife in Markinch, Scotland. You mentioned sharing your sources. Where might I find them?
You should learn about the Irish cruitini
So basically here's a suggestion...venture to study the history outside ur own land and see what they teach. It's like you have a biased education. Nothing to boast about. Like you come out of the shoot firing ur credentials but the punchline is they closed bias. Wow. Why is ignorance so bold?
Og-úaim, pronounced... Oh-wem
Your videos are awesome. I recon I've watched 5 hours plus of them over the last few days. Keep this up, get Patreon. Genuinely my favourite youtube at the moment.
I freaking love these videos about ancient Europe please keep making them 👍
My family originate from Tyrone in Ireland.
I discovered yesterday in my families book past down from generation to generation a page with this Ogham rune.
After a load of research and a couple of phone calls later I discovered that it read O'Neil my family name. However I later discovered that O'Neil literally means descendant of Nèill or cloud.
I'm currently learning the Ogham symbols and old irish language to kinda return to my routes if you will. I'm finding that the pronunciation is strangely similar to Icelandic. Pretty cool right 👍
Well, didn't the Icelanders take Irish women? Then the next generations would be raised speaking Irish accent Icelandic. Just an idea
@@lauridscm1 I believe so. Irish monks and merchants settled on the southern tip of Iceland so there'd be men and women.
I've done a ancestry DNA test and I have one relative over there so judging by that I'd say your bang on correct. However there is no Irish accent over in Iceland, that may be due to isolation and time. The Norse settlers were more prominent.
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Thanks for the video. Is the part 2 coming one day ?
So glad I randomly stumbled across this channel a couple weeks ago. T'was a quick sub, no regrets.
Update ❤
"Fun with the Picts" sounds like a great band name!
Already been done... in a way.
The song "Several Species of Small Furry Animals Grooving with a Pict" by Pink Floyd on their album "Ummagumma".
@@Tipi_Dan I know that song very well; my first ever vinyl album was "Ummagumma" which I bought in Belfast in around 1971 during my very brief carreer as a sailor ;)
Oh and btw, i think the full title is "Several Species Of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together In A Cave And Grooving With A Pict."
Just "Fun with Picts"
Videos and rambling are like tea and scones . . . enjoyable.
my brain is gone but my eyes work. thank yew for giving me something to blankly stare at. take care gare
I like keeping this content in one or two long videos. As a new arrival at the channel, knowing you have a Picts series makes me to hunting for them all and I'm still not sure I found the whole set, while finding the Gauls video was easy. I do love how much more content this series has, though; maybe 2-3 one-hour-long videos I can settle into when I have the time might be ideal.
This language looks simple, but oddly pretty. It reminds me of morse code - not dots and dashes, but number of slashes and orientation of the slashes. How cool.
Now there's a thought.. they had a war horn/trumpet called a carnyx. As it's played, tongue in the head of the trumpet can be clacked up and down, to make certain sounds and patterns. From what I understand, it was for intimidating the enemy and giving certain commands in battle, but I wonder if they could use it to send messages across the battleground in a "morsecode" fashion?
Might be a massive reach, but I guess it could be used in such a way.
@@paulmitchell5544 A lot of the ancients were a lot smarter than we give them credit for. Like they say there is nothing new under the sun.
Did you ever make a part 2 for this? I don’t see it in your pict playlist
Where is part 2??? I can't find it anywhere!
Would love to see those other videos on the picts you had planned as well!
Interesting. So much is shrouded in the darkness of time. I appreciate the "flash light" you shed, even though the light's penetration is limited . Thanks for posting.
Did he ever end up making further parts? I can't find the part two that he described in the video, and I'm super interested in watching it
Also looking for Part 2. Did you find it?
@@cynthiamitchell9289 unfortunately I did not
This is wonderful. I love the richness of detail. Will there be a Part 2, about symbolic and magical meanings? Fingers crossed.
Is there any guess about how Ogham was pronounced? I guess there are guesses from still existing languages? When I hear someone read something old in an original pronunciation, like real Shakespeare, it is fascinating!
"I'm going to toon (town)" can be said "I'm going to dún", they are cognates as far as I'm aware.
Darling this audience is not able to acknowledge cognates....your intellect and knowlege are at waste here.
Wow! I just discovered you! Sometimes the algorithm gives fruit! Thank you! 😊
OMG, I can't wait for the next video... Fascinated!! Thank you for all the great information. Waiting on bated(sp?) breath.... :)
Part 2? This was really interesting.
This is fascinating! Thank you! I've always been fascinated by Ogham script. You've truly shown a lot of insight into it. Abbreviations were extremely common in Roman inscriptions, as well - names, titles, there was even a symbol for a freed slave. Greetings from the US from someone whose native language is Yiddish, and who's married to someone whose native language is Irish Gaelic! (You can imagine our fights LOL)
You're both rare nowadays! I'm both Jewish and Scottish (one parent each) and I don't know anyone who has Yiddish as a first language or Scottish Gaelic, although I do know people who are trying to learn one or the other out of a desire to connect with their heritage and make sure the languages don't die out. I'd really like to learn Yiddish but I have hella ADHD and my brain does not want to absorb information at all right now.
@@AM-kr4pv LOL My son's fiancee is from Salonika; part of their marriage contract is that their kids will speak Yiddish and Ladino - THEN Hebrew. I'm learning Ladino for her
@@SgtRocko that's really cool and also lovely that you're learning Ladino for your future daughter in law! I'm glad your family has a dedication to keeping these languages alive. I reckon Ladino has even less attention on it than either Yiddish or Gaelic, I know so little about it.
Nice video as always. U have a very good voice for history explaining
Wat is het eerste liedje wat je gebruikt? Kan het niet vinden in de beschrijving. Goeie video trouwens! Erg interresant al die geschiedenis.
Dún means fort or fortified settlement. So it would mean fort on the dee.
Thank you for the inspiring and interesting video.
Seeing norse runes by ogham, it occured to me that most runes have vertical stroke in the middle. Could it be that they also begun as ogham-like way of writing, and where later broken into individual characters for convenience and space utilization?
Second point, chiselling ogham on an edge of a stone automatically brings more readability, because chisel cannot slip and make one sided stroke into something between one sided and two sided grapheme. That implies that edge-writing is perhaps older than writing on a common carved line, and latter was maybe introduced because there would be more space on a flat face of a stone, while the number of edges on any given megalith is rather limited. The symbols for start and end of sentence could be interpreted as stylized pictures of vertices where three faces meet (top and bottom points of an edge, respectively).
Third point, these are all phonetic scripts, yet they are completely abstract, strokes do not attempt to picture any object, like original Phoenician alphabet did, but instead aim to make a number of differing combinations made of few primitives. It is sort of like if Chinese would had made script out of I Ching symbols, rather than from stylized icons.
Anyway, this is probably a peek into an ancient Stone Age culture heritage which survived Iron Age and even up to early Middle Ages.
I'm a bit of a history freek, I love all histories. Anyway, I like your analogies and comparison I get them. I'm Irish also. ✊☘️
I can't keep up but the pronunciation humility is refreshing. Thanks
Was there ever a part 2 video about the ogham alphabet you referenced @1:18 ?
My mind keeps going to the neolithic and and early bronze age Doggarland and how there is a lot of interconnected populations at that time - including more than one unifying religion (which has since been lost to time). It makes me wonder if there isn't some previous proto-script that we don't have physical evidence of - one that overlapped both ogham and futhark.
Even in the ancient languages whose words we can decipher (i.e. Latin or Greek) we can still miss the meaning of the sentences because they speak in jargon once understood but long forgotten. In the song Convoy from the 70s, he speaks in CB talk. One line mentions bears in the air. We know it means a police helicopter but in 1,000 years it would be considered fantastical because bears don't fly.
~21:00, I don't know of any in english (since english doesn't use accents) but I know that in Welsh a means and and â means at (or something like that, I don't know the exact definition of â, but I know that it's used after ymweld, which is visit; so I will visit the store would be: dw i'n mynd i ymweld â'r siop).
that writing looks ancient , for some reason king og and the tribe of ham come to mind , everytime caledonia is mentioned i think of chaldean , wonder if there is a connection somehow , or not
Coincidence.
Faulty etymology.
No connection.
Holy cow I am inspired to go learn to write in Ogham. I'm only one-eighth Irish and one-eighth Scottish but I am feeling it!
Dál Riada were not the only Irish to live in Scotland..The Dál Riada were still, depending upon the year, under the ultimate authority of the Rí Éireann (Ard Rí) (High King) and as a seafaring nation the Irish travelled regularly all over Scotland and the rest of Celtic Britain. also the language map shows Gallic in Scotland on its own timeline? It came directly from Irish.. I scored a bird n the Isle of Skye (Oileán Sciathanach) who spoke Gallic..I speak Irish and we had no problem speaking together.. and stuff.. (Nice) Irish is the 'mother tongue' of Manx (Oileán Mhanainn..named for the Irish Sea God Manannain Mac Lir) and Alban (Scotland)
look up the origins of scots and irish gaels on irish origenes for a more accurate conclusion
Your use of “Irish” and “Ireland” is wrong here. Ireland as a concept didn’t exist back then. Gaelic culture was in argyle centuries before Fergus mor arrived we know this because there is no evidence of a culture change ie. new types of building and objects ect... in the region. So most likely the Gaels had always been in the region (most likely due to trade) and eventually forming the Dál Riata kingdom. Calling the Gaels that lived in argyle for centuries before dal riata formed “Irish” is a bit incorrect, Scotland was a hotpot of languages and cultures during this period, Britons, Picts Gaels all fighting for control and Picts and Gaels eventually uniting due to threat from the Angles and Norsemen
@@scottwhitley3392 thank you. That correlates with the information I have gleaned.
@Síofra Loughlin-Bestawros Actually Samhain was just the Gaelic celebration for the end of harvest season. Pretty much all Celtic/Pagan cultures celebrated something similar. The Britons did as well. Most likely the Picts did also but we’ll never know due to their culture being completely wiped out by Irish. Also dna debunked my “myth” on what count? That Gaelic wasn’t in modern day Scotland before Dal Riata. Considering the proximity and the lack of any evidence suggesting a culture shift I find that highly unlikely.
Aye, and this will be due to Irish, Gaelic and Manx being Goidalic languages which as you say Irish is the "mother tongue" of all goidalic languages. Real shame about those Picts though (and technically they didn't even call themselves Picts but Cruithnia). I think that the Irish had been culturally expanding through trade along the hebridies and the west coast for centuries, and the creation and expansion of Dalriada only sped up the process - but that's just my opinion
@History With Hilbert Did you ever do a part 2 on this? I tried to so some searching on your channel and haven't found anything as of yet. and it's been 4 years lol
One is in the British Museum in London, a standing stone with Ogham Script found in Co. Cork 1826 Deelish township,the stone is fine grained red sandstone 380 million years old.
Where is part II of this series? Wasn't able to find it anywhere.
Zig-zag in Welsh is Igam-ogam. I wonder if the ogham alphabet is the origin of this phrase?
This script can be found carved in the US.Guess sailing was something they were up to also.
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About Dublin my great grandmother was from there she was Irish of Scandinavian (Norwegian and Swedish) ancestry and her mum was Scandinavian (Swedish) Scottish they are from my Grandfathers mothers side. So my Grandfather is half Irish not shore if he can speak any Irish. Would have to ask him or some of my Irish relatives. Would that be of any help for this subject. I know my mum can't speak any because she and and her parents were born in England.
Ah interesting! If you're interested in asking it could lead to some interesting discoveries? Ah fair enough :)
History With Hilbert how big of an impact did the Norse have on the Irish and the Scots because they had a great affect on the English.
Actually, help is closer to hand than you realise. I am an Irish speaker... So, ask away. To start you off, as a rule Irish/Gaelic words are generally stressed on the first syllable. Hence Dal REEada, not Dal RiAAda.
Full marks for your comments at the beginning on pronunciation. It is Dal Ríada, (d not t). The accent is on the í, so Ðal Ree-uðu is the proper way to say it, using eth for the th sound..
Okay okay we know stop mincing things ur cluttering up the comment section. I hope in two years time u have learnt the futility of making petty posts as these things tend to work themselves out. You see in two years since ur post, the proper pronunciation is widely known and used. Do you see the vanity and uselessness of ur post?
It's like harassment. Petty stupidity. So for two years it's safe to assume you have been making stupid uninteresting petty annoying posts. What a jerk.
@@VivaRonnieJamesDio Read your comment taking into account the fact that you are projecting.
This is 4 years old so you probably know by now, and I also could be wrong myself, but years ago I read that "dun" is city in gaelic. So Dundee means "city on the dee river." Or something akin to that.
Dundee it further to the east on the map you showed. You have mixed Shetland and Orkney.
Love this series. Makes me want to use ogham in my DnD campaign try and get the party to decipher it.
Hey there, enjoy your work pal, your videos are very good. As an Irish national I am delighted you pronounce "Ogham" correctly. I have an assumption that when you take the translation to English and get "Point Seem" it more refers to the centre line as the "seem" and the branching lines are the "points" along the seem. Just a theory I have. The word "Dun" mean a fortified place. One more theory for you. In the areas in the South West of Ireland that I am familiar with that are hot spots for Ogham stones all appear to be accessible by water and connected to the sea. Which might explain the lack of Ogham stones in certain areas of Scotland.
yeah even now we have tonnes of pagan and even Zoroastrian religions in our modern church. heck we still have a holiday called "chiakokonoba" in which we make a big fire and jump over it to cleans ourselves of demons with fire and there are many places where you would still see people sacrificing animals near churches. and heck even st. george has been fused with our old warrior moon god, which is probably why in terms of popularity he's almost level with god and jesus.
although it's the georgian orthodox church not roman catholic and that's why i think what you said about Catholicism can also be applied to orthodoxy and really any big enough organized religion.
Absolutely, that's one of the ways the Europeans were converted to Christianity, by merging native beliefs with the new religion. Yeah absolutely, It was the same in the east as it was in the west.
Jumping over fire?Poklade?Or do you mean ,,paljenje badnjaka,,?The burning of a holly tree a day before christmas.
Yet stink would Flame yeah.
The presence of the term MAQI doesn’t suggest Goidelic exclusively. The Welsh word for ‘son (of)’ is ‘MAB’ (Q vs B comes from the Q-P differences). It’s often written as AP where Scots and Irish use MAC/MC.
Yes it does Mac or Maq is Irish... Being as the Picts were P celtic they would have used Map- mab surname instead of the Irish Mac or Maq. Q celtic and P cltic differences are fundamental to early Irish and Brittonic. Bede mentions some pictish words and they have a P which suggests P celtic. An example of a pictish name is *Onuist map Vurguist.
Many languages also use optional vowels in certain texts. Orthodox Christian Greek, some forms of Slavic languages and some formats of Arabic come to mind
what happened to Part II?
funny coincidence that earlier today I was reflecting on how Dundee isn't on the River Dee. It's on the Tay. The Dee flows through Aberdeen. Aberdeen also has the mouth of the River Don and could almost have been called Aberdon
Love it man, an-ṁaiṫ ar fad. If yoy could do an in depth comparison of the Irish, Pictish and Futhark it'd be brilliant. This video has lots of good stuff, thanks!
GH in Scotland and Ireland is not silent as in English but in the Irish lough or the word aught which the Scots would pronounce ocht.I assume ogham would be Aucham.Even in old English or Anglo Saxon gh is a slightly softer version of the ch sound .
Hi where can I find a list of the Ogham Script used in Pictland? I can only find the Irish version online.
I just noticed something: the German words for revenge (Rache) and dragon (Drache) are very similar. Any ideas on why this could be?
Opi Waran I'd rather avoid connecting those dots...
Irish monks taught Germans how to form compound word check out the Scotti chuches thru out germany during the dark ages
Scotti meaning pirate might very well be the case, but seems more reasonable to assume it's a Romanised version of Is Cottaidh (or 's Cottaidh) meaning "We are the multitude of Cot"., with the Cot or Cat being a tribe.
Maybe the Cot / Cat were Gaelicised Picts, i.e/ Cruithin, in Ulster. The Cruithin territory was around Dal Riata in Antrim.
'Dun' as in Dundee means 'fort'.
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Ogham was a numerical cypher, so its use is similar to morse code or semaphore. They were using it to get round a taboo against actual writing. Correspondences to letters like Q and Z suggest that the system may have originally been designed to represent something other than Old Irish.
Where is part 2? It's not in the same playlist.
I think on the Maiden Stone, the inscription IRATADDOARENS might contain the Latin word "ERAT" which appears in the Book of Kells which was likely written at Iona
I really enjoyed this one. Look forward to the flesh of the bone. Thanks.
It sounds like shorthand which I learned at secretarial college - pitman's shorthand is based on consonants only.
when is part 2 coming out XD
Did you do a part 2?
You think so? I put s on the o for os-gharm and google translate got 'move me' in ighbo. If ogham is inscribed on a stone, there is something under it.
One last question was it used to write brythonic?
There are some Ogham translations of Brythonic/Latin names in Wales.
Latin did not become the vernacular language in Ireland despite the disappearance of Ogham found on objects. This would seem to have disconnected the spoken language from the "written record". And the vast majority of Irish were Latin-illiterate - continuing to speak their particular Goidelic variants - while the new religious class presumably spoke vulgate latin and irish?
Q: in the Type I Ogham - what were the most common subjects? Were they proclamations of ownership? Memorials? Contracts?
What was being said?
The runic and ogham inscriptions on the same stone at 24:03 is it the same message in both scripts? Similar to the rosetta stone? Or are the two messages unrelated?
The Ogham alphabet is known, so no need for a 'Rosetta Stone'.
I have some conflicting feelings on ogham. On one hand, it's way too time consuming to be practical for writing in manuscript. On the other hand, the adoption of the 18 letter Roman alphabet has been the bane of Irish and Gaelic learners for centuries.
Same with runes, they're time consuming and not exactly very advanced for writing complicated messages.
Ceorla Cyng it was never designed for writing long paragraphs just for names or short sentences. its nice and decortive and also a cool type of code
however, the latin alphabet was never designed for celtic languages either. i dont speak gaelic, but ive tried to learn a little out of interest and the latin alphabet is not fit for purpose for describing the phonetics of gaelic. it makes it very confusing learning the digraphs, trigraphs and tetragraphs purely because the individual phonetic components rarely have any equivalent value with the phonetic being described by the combination of latin letters. these are sounds that would be better described by their own letter like what exists in ogham and futhark.
We don’t know the true meaning of it because the country went through mass genocide and invasion over and over again. Many tablets, stones and manuscripts were destroyed, many people were killed.
@@Jon-ov4nc Yes, and the same applies to other languages as well. The Latin alphabet only really works for Romance languages.
Robert Graves book the white goddess, does a lot of background in bardic tradition, the language of trees, but he himself said it became more poetic than historical, but its a hell of a read just for the ammount of research he put into it.
and no scholar of the material would suggest his book. The vast majority of his "research" is easily debunkable or made up whole cloth
Cool video, but Shetland and Orkney are the wrong way around on the map at 11:02.
Have you made a video on Medieval Latin or do you have any tips about the best way to learn it at all? (I've got to learn it for my Medieval History MA). Any tips would be greatly appreciated, thanks
0:50 traditionallly spoke gaelic? how long have they spoke english? since 900? when did they start speaking gaelic?