My favorite version of the Dunlendings is in Lord of the Rings Online; a complex organization of tribes with mixed goals and many legitimate grievances against the kingdom of Rohan, who even still are not of one mind with war against them (and for many reasons too). Nuance > cultural monolith.
The forces of evil really should have invested more in scouts. It probably would have stopped both major evil powers being surprised by a flaking cavalry charge basically back to back
The army of Rohan was scattered after the battle of Isen, so Saruman might have thought they would be no way for anyone to regroup the scattered forces in time before the Hornburg fell. Sauron’s forces had block the road to Minas Tirith with only a forest seemingly impossible for cavalry to traverse as a way for the Rohirrim to arrive.
@ Sauron got hit with the old Ardennes trick. A dark lord who has been around for so long should have been able to know you can ride a horse through the woods. Then again he was arrogant and so him not thinking men could go through the forrest may have just been a narrative decision
@@FindinaviaSauron reasonably thought it would take Rohan longer to muster their army. Theoden started mustering much sooner than anticipated. Theoden and Sauron also didn't know about that route and Theoden only used it because of local guides.
Getting flanked by cavalry is an inevitability in nearly every battle if you don't have an adequate counter. Warg riders, while great as outriders, would probably get flattened by a heavy cavalry regiment in formation in full charge. You should play the Total War games. Pick any one it doesn't matter. You learn very quickly how deadly 150 dudes on horses can be
think there may have been some error in the beginning with the audio mixing, the sound effects/music is way too loud and makes it hard to hear the narration
To be fair the Witchking did take solid actions to avoid that since he had placed troops and fortifications on the western flank. He had not anticipated that the Wild Men would lead those who hunted them like animals (since the racist Numenorians and Rohirim did not treat the people of Ghan buri Ghan good in all the years before) on secret paths. So while this was a mistake, it was not so that he acted foolish - and of course no one could have forseen the involvment of a army of freaking ghost who destroyed his southern "wing" (the corsairs) and made it possible that Aragorn lead men from South Gondor towards Minas Tirith. That (and his own death who was very unlikely) were things Number One could not guessed even with better intelligence.
"The old world will burn in the fires of industry." "Forests will fall. A new order will rise." "We will drive the machinery of war with the sword and the spear and the iron fist of the orcs." "We have only to remove those who oppose us."
Is there any chance we could learn more about the Easterlings, Haradrim and the Corsairs that served under Sauron in the Third Age/War of the Ring period?
It's interesting that Saruman's Orc armies are "worse" than Sauron's in the sense that they're stronger and born of darker magic, but the Dunlendings are fully justified in their grievances as opposed to the Haradrim who are just there for conquest.
Well, the Haradrim also had grievances. The Númenors of the king’s men cruelly oppressed them, and Gondor was once their overlord. The Easterlings really had no such Freudian excuse. They were there just for the plunder, like many nomadic peoples throughout history.
And to think that Jackson's take of Saruman's army consisted of just Uruk-hai, with berserkers that also acted as sapper and siege units when Saurman had more than just Uruk-hai in his army in the novels.
honestly, that's probably just due more to budgetary and time concerns than anything else, it's easier to CGI an homogeneous army than it is to create one that has multiple species in it.
Helm killed Frekka not in a duel but he took him out side of Edoras and then killed him in one strike with his fist which is why he is called "Hammerhand"
What's with the audio mixing in this video? You've got two music tracks which are completely opposite playing at the same time in parts of the video, unbalanced music/narration audio at the start - what's going on guys? Your work is normally so clean :/
This video ignores several facts. An overconfident commander-in-chief, in experienced field commanders and troops and the wrong equipment for besieging a fortress. Saruman wanted a field battle followed by a siege of Edoras, which his army would have won, but he was forced into a siege by Theoden and Gandalf. He could not ignore the fortress of Helm's Deep after its remaining garrision was reinforced with those troops Saruman wanted to destroy in afield battle. Helm's Deep was the perfect base to harras Saruman's forces and to disrupt his supply lines. So he had to attack Helm's Deep. And there are several minor mistakes in this video: Erkenbard had to riders but only infantry. They did not attack Saruman's forces from the east but from the north. And this attack happend after Saruman's forces were already routed by Theoden's counterattack. This shows that the morale and discipline of Saruman's forces were both not so great.
This guys have take on so many stories at once... It's real frustrating to wait for vedio of my Favorite lore and than when I start the vedio.... i remember Nothing of past lore
Hey W&W I found other fantasy books to consider : Last King of Osten Ard, Drenai, Kull of Atlantis, Shanara, Earthsea, Lankmhar, Elric of Melnibone, Three Hearts and Three Lions, the Broken Sword, Cthulhu Mythos, Bran Mak Morn, Sword of Truth, Belgariad and Malloreon, Dying Earth, the standalone novels of Guy Gavriel Kay, Barssom and Amtor, birth grave, broken empire, discworld, realm of the elderlings, dread empire, black company, and Jirel.
Quality of these videos are sooo high! Only thing Id change personally is a different voice. I mean no offense its just kinda dry and doesnt keep me too engaged.
Sorry, but this video is not edited to your usual standards. The sound mixing is off at points, and the script has some gaps (like the identity of Wulf, who is only abruptly introduced as running away to join the Dunlendings) and redundancies (Saruman cutting down all of the trees to fuel industry, Uruk-hai being resistant to sunlight, etc.). I like your series on the LotR lore, but these errors were distracting.
@@adamnesico “For a staring moment the watchers on the walls saw all the space between then and the Dike lit with white light: it was boiling and crawling with black shapes, some squat and broad, some tall and grim, with high helms and sable shields.” “The assailing hosts halted, foiled by the silent menace of rock and wall. […] Then the Orcs screamed, waving spear and sword, and shooting a cloud of arrows at any that stood revealed upon the battlements.” It mentions helms, shields, spears and swords, but no mention of pikes.
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Do a Witcher: Salamander Gang explanation
Sauron: "Build me an army worthy of Mordor..."
Saruman the White: "We have work to do"
My favorite version of the Dunlendings is in Lord of the Rings Online; a complex organization of tribes with mixed goals and many legitimate grievances against the kingdom of Rohan, who even still are not of one mind with war against them (and for many reasons too). Nuance > cultural monolith.
The forces of evil really should have invested more in scouts. It probably would have stopped both major evil powers being surprised by a flaking cavalry charge basically back to back
The army of Rohan was scattered after the battle of Isen, so Saruman might have thought they would be no way for anyone to regroup the scattered forces in time before the Hornburg fell. Sauron’s forces had block the road to Minas Tirith with only a forest seemingly impossible for cavalry to traverse as a way for the Rohirrim to arrive.
@ Sauron got hit with the old Ardennes trick. A dark lord who has been around for so long should have been able to know you can ride a horse through the woods. Then again he was arrogant and so him not thinking men could go through the forrest may have just been a narrative decision
@@FindinaviaSauron reasonably thought it would take Rohan longer to muster their army. Theoden started mustering much sooner than anticipated. Theoden and Sauron also didn't know about that route and Theoden only used it because of local guides.
Getting flanked by cavalry is an inevitability in nearly every battle if you don't have an adequate counter. Warg riders, while great as outriders, would probably get flattened by a heavy cavalry regiment in formation in full charge. You should play the Total War games. Pick any one it doesn't matter. You learn very quickly how deadly 150 dudes on horses can be
@ this wasn’t about not having a counter. Neither army even knew the Rohirim were there
i can watch the same lord of the rings lore on like 4 different channels and it is awesome every time.
think there may have been some error in the beginning with the audio mixing, the sound effects/music is way too loud and makes it hard to hear the narration
I found this to be n issue as well.
Well, that's actually good - his voice is incredibly annoying....
@@bdleo300 Looking forward to never seeing you complain on these videos again.
The audio quality was very mixed this video. Voice quality notably dropping for segments. The background sounds being too loud.
Same
In the books, the relief force at Helm’s Deep consists of foot soldiers, not riders.
To be fair the Witchking did take solid actions to avoid that since he had placed troops and fortifications on the western flank. He had not anticipated that the Wild Men would lead those who hunted them like animals (since the racist Numenorians and Rohirim did not treat the people of Ghan buri Ghan good in all the years before) on secret paths. So while this was a mistake, it was not so that he acted foolish - and of course no one could have forseen the involvment of a army of freaking ghost who destroyed his southern "wing" (the corsairs) and made it possible that Aragorn lead men from South Gondor towards Minas Tirith. That (and his own death who was very unlikely) were things Number One could not guessed even with better intelligence.
"The old world will burn in the fires of industry."
"Forests will fall. A new order will rise."
"We will drive the machinery of war with the sword and the spear and the iron fist of the orcs."
"We have only to remove those who oppose us."
Thank you for focusing on the book-version for this
Hey I was looking to see if someone commented this
Yes, it was actually 10,000 cigarettes.
@@wildfire9280 That explains why Theoden acted like he was living on borrowed time in the RotK-book
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They're taking the hobbits to Isengard!
Saruman
Will you do more amies of Middle-Earth, like for Mordor, Angmar, Haradwaith and maybe Rhun?
yep
@@WizardsandWarriors I got a question for you do you think you could do the timeline of dragon age and Star Trek
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Is there any chance we could learn more about the Easterlings, Haradrim and the Corsairs that served under Sauron in the Third Age/War of the Ring period?
Would I try this again? Yes, I absolutely would.
"send out your warg riders"-Saruman
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Its got to be a kick in the gut for Aüle to see two of his servants/spirits fall to evil (Sauron and Saruman)
It's interesting that Saruman's Orc armies are "worse" than Sauron's in the sense that they're stronger and born of darker magic, but the Dunlendings are fully justified in their grievances as opposed to the Haradrim who are just there for conquest.
Well, the Haradrim also had grievances. The Númenors of the king’s men cruelly oppressed them, and Gondor was once their overlord. The Easterlings really had no such Freudian excuse. They were there just for the plunder, like many nomadic peoples throughout history.
Orcs aren’t “born of magic”, they reproduce naturally in the same way all animals do
@@Apollo1989V Well there too was bad blood between the easterners and Gondor
@@Apollo1989Vthe haradrim prayed to morgoth😂they willingly gave themselves to the darkness - ITS LITERALLY PART OF THEIR CULTURE.
great stuff look forward to more
They’re taking the hobbits to Isengard!!!
gard ... gard ... gard ... gard.
And to think that Jackson's take of Saruman's army consisted of just Uruk-hai, with berserkers that also acted as sapper and siege units when Saurman had more than just Uruk-hai in his army in the novels.
honestly, that's probably just due more to budgetary and time concerns than anything else, it's easier to CGI an homogeneous army than it is to create one that has multiple species in it.
The Dunlandings appear in The Two Towers movie. They are the force that attacks and burns the villages in Rohan.
@@davidkinsey8657 Yep, but not in the Battle of the Hornburg, where they were treated beforehand as little more than hired help.
The Loudness of the Sound is quite random
There is also overlapping Music which is annoying to hear
The Editing is also very random
Helm killed Frekka not in a duel but he took him out side of Edoras and then killed him in one strike with his fist which is why he is called "Hammerhand"
What's with the audio mixing in this video? You've got two music tracks which are completely opposite playing at the same time in parts of the video, unbalanced music/narration audio at the start - what's going on guys? Your work is normally so clean :/
Please do Warcraft lore sometime
This video ignores several facts. An overconfident commander-in-chief, in experienced field commanders and troops and the wrong equipment for besieging a fortress. Saruman wanted a field battle followed by a siege of Edoras, which his army would have won, but he was forced into a siege by Theoden and Gandalf. He could not ignore the fortress of Helm's Deep after its remaining garrision was reinforced with those troops Saruman wanted to destroy in afield battle. Helm's Deep was the perfect base to harras Saruman's forces and to disrupt his supply lines. So he had to attack Helm's Deep.
And there are several minor mistakes in this video: Erkenbard had to riders but only infantry. They did not attack Saruman's forces from the east but from the north. And this attack happend after Saruman's forces were already routed by Theoden's counterattack. This shows that the morale and discipline of Saruman's forces were both not so great.
The audio quality is very mixed. The voice quality. Overloud background.
It never sat well with me that the Dunlendings would march to war and ally themselves orcs that would have happily have eaten them when they fell.
Saruman was an unique ally, that’s one thing I shall say.
Most definitely he was.
This guys have take on so many stories at once...
It's real frustrating to wait for vedio of my Favorite lore and than when I start the vedio.... i remember Nothing of past lore
Saruman will easily pass any DEI check.
Like many a STEM major, Saruman skipped out on humanities
Hey W&W I found other fantasy books to consider : Last King of Osten Ard, Drenai, Kull of Atlantis, Shanara, Earthsea, Lankmhar, Elric of Melnibone, Three Hearts and Three Lions, the Broken Sword, Cthulhu Mythos, Bran Mak Morn, Sword of Truth, Belgariad and Malloreon, Dying Earth, the standalone novels of Guy Gavriel Kay, Barssom and Amtor, birth grave, broken empire, discworld, realm of the elderlings, dread empire, black company, and Jirel.
They're taking the hobbits to
Please return to the races and factions of Warhammer Fantasy and the Elder Scrolls series?
For the algo
Quality of these videos are sooo high! Only thing Id change personally is a different voice. I mean no offense its just kinda dry and doesnt keep me too engaged.
Sorry, but this video is not edited to your usual standards. The sound mixing is off at points, and the script has some gaps (like the identity of Wulf, who is only abruptly introduced as running away to join the Dunlendings) and redundancies (Saruman cutting down all of the trees to fuel industry, Uruk-hai being resistant to sunlight, etc.). I like your series on the LotR lore, but these errors were distracting.
The evil forces could of won they just are numerous and suck
still no malazan :(
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War of the Rohirrim REALLY screwed up the lore.
WOTR is just cringe fanfiction or at least 99%
How did it screw up the lore?
2000 norman knights defeating 10000 swiss pikemen?
Thats total bulshit.
How Tolkien wrote something so stupid?
@@adamnesico there are no pikemen in the books
@lucasmuniz5263 i remember well that pikes were described in hornburg battle.
@ no, they weren’t. You are confounding with the movie
@@lucasmuniz5263 the book described that each soldier wielded a ling and black pike as they aproached the castle. Read it again.
@@adamnesico “For a staring moment the watchers on the walls saw all the space between then and the Dike lit with white light: it was boiling and crawling with black shapes, some squat and broad, some tall and grim, with high helms and sable shields.”
“The assailing hosts halted, foiled by the silent menace of rock and wall. […] Then the Orcs screamed, waving spear and sword, and shooting a cloud of arrows at any that stood revealed upon the battlements.”
It mentions helms, shields, spears and swords, but no mention of pikes.
How do you breed Orks???? wtf....
Tolkien knew how but I'm sure the methods have been lost in time
Orcs are corrupted Elves they breed the same way. to crossbreed like saruman did for his urak-hai replace one of the orcs with a man
The same way other races do
War of the the Rohirrim is a good movie that deserved better marketing.
No it's not. It's total garbage.
Wow those are rusians
nah, that's your bulgaroid family