Armies of Isengard and Dunland - Middle-Earth Lore DOCUMENTARY

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  • @WizardsandWarriors
    @WizardsandWarriors  19 днів тому +10

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  • @Daimon-X
    @Daimon-X 19 днів тому +41

    Sauron: "Build me an army worthy of Mordor..."
    Saruman the White: "We have work to do"

  • @MicaiahBaron
    @MicaiahBaron 19 днів тому +48

    My favorite version of the Dunlendings is in Lord of the Rings Online; a complex organization of tribes with mixed goals and many legitimate grievances against the kingdom of Rohan, who even still are not of one mind with war against them (and for many reasons too). Nuance > cultural monolith.

  • @Findinavia
    @Findinavia 20 днів тому +119

    The forces of evil really should have invested more in scouts. It probably would have stopped both major evil powers being surprised by a flaking cavalry charge basically back to back

    • @Apollo1989V
      @Apollo1989V 19 днів тому +26

      The army of Rohan was scattered after the battle of Isen, so Saruman might have thought they would be no way for anyone to regroup the scattered forces in time before the Hornburg fell. Sauron’s forces had block the road to Minas Tirith with only a forest seemingly impossible for cavalry to traverse as a way for the Rohirrim to arrive.

    • @Findinavia
      @Findinavia 19 днів тому +15

      @ Sauron got hit with the old Ardennes trick. A dark lord who has been around for so long should have been able to know you can ride a horse through the woods. Then again he was arrogant and so him not thinking men could go through the forrest may have just been a narrative decision

    • @Wriath9
      @Wriath9 19 днів тому +18

      ​@@FindinaviaSauron reasonably thought it would take Rohan longer to muster their army. Theoden started mustering much sooner than anticipated. Theoden and Sauron also didn't know about that route and Theoden only used it because of local guides.

    • @grillmeisterkush6396
      @grillmeisterkush6396 19 днів тому +11

      Getting flanked by cavalry is an inevitability in nearly every battle if you don't have an adequate counter. Warg riders, while great as outriders, would probably get flattened by a heavy cavalry regiment in formation in full charge. You should play the Total War games. Pick any one it doesn't matter. You learn very quickly how deadly 150 dudes on horses can be

    • @Findinavia
      @Findinavia 19 днів тому

      @ this wasn’t about not having a counter. Neither army even knew the Rohirim were there

  • @toddsikes7292
    @toddsikes7292 19 днів тому +15

    i can watch the same lord of the rings lore on like 4 different channels and it is awesome every time.

  • @Liberater4589
    @Liberater4589 19 днів тому +67

    think there may have been some error in the beginning with the audio mixing, the sound effects/music is way too loud and makes it hard to hear the narration

    • @delboopin6960
      @delboopin6960 19 днів тому +6

      I found this to be n issue as well.

    • @bdleo300
      @bdleo300 19 днів тому +1

      Well, that's actually good - his voice is incredibly annoying....

    • @mokarokas-1727
      @mokarokas-1727 14 днів тому +4

      @@bdleo300 Looking forward to never seeing you complain on these videos again.

    • @christopherg2347
      @christopherg2347 6 днів тому +1

      The audio quality was very mixed this video. Voice quality notably dropping for segments. The background sounds being too loud.

    • @ezrafriesner8370
      @ezrafriesner8370 2 дні тому +1

      Same

  • @DaHuuudge
    @DaHuuudge 19 днів тому +32

    In the books, the relief force at Helm’s Deep consists of foot soldiers, not riders.

    • @marcbartuschka6372
      @marcbartuschka6372 19 днів тому +6

      To be fair the Witchking did take solid actions to avoid that since he had placed troops and fortifications on the western flank. He had not anticipated that the Wild Men would lead those who hunted them like animals (since the racist Numenorians and Rohirim did not treat the people of Ghan buri Ghan good in all the years before) on secret paths. So while this was a mistake, it was not so that he acted foolish - and of course no one could have forseen the involvment of a army of freaking ghost who destroyed his southern "wing" (the corsairs) and made it possible that Aragorn lead men from South Gondor towards Minas Tirith. That (and his own death who was very unlikely) were things Number One could not guessed even with better intelligence.

  • @grandadmiralzaarin4962
    @grandadmiralzaarin4962 18 днів тому +6

    "The old world will burn in the fires of industry."
    "Forests will fall. A new order will rise."
    "We will drive the machinery of war with the sword and the spear and the iron fist of the orcs."
    "We have only to remove those who oppose us."

  • @Uberdude6666
    @Uberdude6666 18 днів тому +4

    Thank you for focusing on the book-version for this

    • @IStealButterdToast
      @IStealButterdToast 14 днів тому +1

      Hey I was looking to see if someone commented this

    • @wildfire9280
      @wildfire9280 13 днів тому +1

      Yes, it was actually 10,000 cigarettes.

    • @Uberdude6666
      @Uberdude6666 13 днів тому

      @@wildfire9280 That explains why Theoden acted like he was living on borrowed time in the RotK-book

  • @MazuiLakon
    @MazuiLakon 19 днів тому +11

    *MEAT IS BACK ON THE MENU BOIZZZ!*

  • @bigsarge2085
    @bigsarge2085 19 днів тому +17

    They're taking the hobbits to Isengard!

  • @MerryMohProductions
    @MerryMohProductions 19 днів тому +5

    Will you do more amies of Middle-Earth, like for Mordor, Angmar, Haradwaith and maybe Rhun?

    • @WizardsandWarriors
      @WizardsandWarriors  19 днів тому +5

      yep

    • @Cutiepie-mf4ht
      @Cutiepie-mf4ht 17 днів тому

      @@WizardsandWarriors I got a question for you do you think you could do the timeline of dragon age and Star Trek

  • @robbabcock_
    @robbabcock_ 19 днів тому

    Great series so far! 😎⚔️🛡️🏹🧙‍♂️

  • @leeroyloke8415
    @leeroyloke8415 18 днів тому +2

    Is there any chance we could learn more about the Easterlings, Haradrim and the Corsairs that served under Sauron in the Third Age/War of the Ring period?

  • @LordSauron1
    @LordSauron1 18 днів тому +2

    Would I try this again? Yes, I absolutely would.

  • @thestanleys3657
    @thestanleys3657 19 днів тому +2

    "send out your warg riders"-Saruman

  • @danielsantiagourtado3430
    @danielsantiagourtado3430 19 днів тому +3

    Love your content ❤❤❤❤

  • @Mrkabrat
    @Mrkabrat 8 днів тому

    Its got to be a kick in the gut for Aüle to see two of his servants/spirits fall to evil (Sauron and Saruman)

  • @epicazeroth
    @epicazeroth 20 днів тому +19

    It's interesting that Saruman's Orc armies are "worse" than Sauron's in the sense that they're stronger and born of darker magic, but the Dunlendings are fully justified in their grievances as opposed to the Haradrim who are just there for conquest.

    • @Apollo1989V
      @Apollo1989V 19 днів тому +8

      Well, the Haradrim also had grievances. The Númenors of the king’s men cruelly oppressed them, and Gondor was once their overlord. The Easterlings really had no such Freudian excuse. They were there just for the plunder, like many nomadic peoples throughout history.

    • @lucasmuniz5263
      @lucasmuniz5263 18 днів тому

      Orcs aren’t “born of magic”, they reproduce naturally in the same way all animals do

    • @itshenry8977
      @itshenry8977 16 днів тому

      @@Apollo1989V Well there too was bad blood between the easterners and Gondor

    • @YesYou-
      @YesYou- 11 днів тому +1

      @@Apollo1989Vthe haradrim prayed to morgoth😂they willingly gave themselves to the darkness - ITS LITERALLY PART OF THEIR CULTURE.

  • @collintrytsman3353
    @collintrytsman3353 19 днів тому +1

    great stuff look forward to more

  • @awesomehpt8938
    @awesomehpt8938 19 днів тому +6

    They’re taking the hobbits to Isengard!!!

    • @_PITBOY
      @_PITBOY 17 днів тому

      gard ... gard ... gard ... gard.

  • @WarbossR0kt00fSant0s
    @WarbossR0kt00fSant0s 19 днів тому +5

    And to think that Jackson's take of Saruman's army consisted of just Uruk-hai, with berserkers that also acted as sapper and siege units when Saurman had more than just Uruk-hai in his army in the novels.

    • @TheCool_Guy23
      @TheCool_Guy23 19 днів тому +6

      honestly, that's probably just due more to budgetary and time concerns than anything else, it's easier to CGI an homogeneous army than it is to create one that has multiple species in it.

    • @davidkinsey8657
      @davidkinsey8657 19 днів тому +6

      The Dunlandings appear in The Two Towers movie. They are the force that attacks and burns the villages in Rohan.

    • @WarbossR0kt00fSant0s
      @WarbossR0kt00fSant0s 19 днів тому +3

      @@davidkinsey8657 Yep, but not in the Battle of the Hornburg, where they were treated beforehand as little more than hired help.

  • @thatguythere8737
    @thatguythere8737 19 днів тому +4

    The Loudness of the Sound is quite random
    There is also overlapping Music which is annoying to hear
    The Editing is also very random

  • @niatilevi9768
    @niatilevi9768 3 дні тому

    Helm killed Frekka not in a duel but he took him out side of Edoras and then killed him in one strike with his fist which is why he is called "Hammerhand"

  • @Potatoshaneko
    @Potatoshaneko 18 днів тому +1

    What's with the audio mixing in this video? You've got two music tracks which are completely opposite playing at the same time in parts of the video, unbalanced music/narration audio at the start - what's going on guys? Your work is normally so clean :/

  • @zesusdk
    @zesusdk 18 днів тому +1

    Please do Warcraft lore sometime

  • @barbarossarotbart
    @barbarossarotbart 19 днів тому +5

    This video ignores several facts. An overconfident commander-in-chief, in experienced field commanders and troops and the wrong equipment for besieging a fortress. Saruman wanted a field battle followed by a siege of Edoras, which his army would have won, but he was forced into a siege by Theoden and Gandalf. He could not ignore the fortress of Helm's Deep after its remaining garrision was reinforced with those troops Saruman wanted to destroy in afield battle. Helm's Deep was the perfect base to harras Saruman's forces and to disrupt his supply lines. So he had to attack Helm's Deep.
    And there are several minor mistakes in this video: Erkenbard had to riders but only infantry. They did not attack Saruman's forces from the east but from the north. And this attack happend after Saruman's forces were already routed by Theoden's counterattack. This shows that the morale and discipline of Saruman's forces were both not so great.

  • @christopherg2347
    @christopherg2347 6 днів тому

    The audio quality is very mixed. The voice quality. Overloud background.

  • @michaeljones9553
    @michaeljones9553 19 днів тому

    It never sat well with me that the Dunlendings would march to war and ally themselves orcs that would have happily have eaten them when they fell.

  • @LordMorgoth2
    @LordMorgoth2 18 днів тому

    Saruman was an unique ally, that’s one thing I shall say.

  • @gyanganga531
    @gyanganga531 18 днів тому +1

    This guys have take on so many stories at once...
    It's real frustrating to wait for vedio of my Favorite lore and than when I start the vedio.... i remember Nothing of past lore

  • @Kevin-vc3jf
    @Kevin-vc3jf 18 днів тому

    Saruman will easily pass any DEI check.

  • @srleplay
    @srleplay 19 днів тому +5

    Like many a STEM major, Saruman skipped out on humanities

  • @dudeboydudeboy-zj8kd
    @dudeboydudeboy-zj8kd 19 днів тому +1

    Hey W&W I found other fantasy books to consider : Last King of Osten Ard, Drenai, Kull of Atlantis, Shanara, Earthsea, Lankmhar, Elric of Melnibone, Three Hearts and Three Lions, the Broken Sword, Cthulhu Mythos, Bran Mak Morn, Sword of Truth, Belgariad and Malloreon, Dying Earth, the standalone novels of Guy Gavriel Kay, Barssom and Amtor, birth grave, broken empire, discworld, realm of the elderlings, dread empire, black company, and Jirel.

  • @thecrippledone3325
    @thecrippledone3325 19 днів тому

    They're taking the hobbits to

  • @DarkKing009
    @DarkKing009 19 днів тому +3

    Please return to the races and factions of Warhammer Fantasy and the Elder Scrolls series?

  • @SharpwithanE
    @SharpwithanE 19 днів тому +1

    For the algo

  • @ItsBrody
    @ItsBrody 19 днів тому +1

    Quality of these videos are sooo high! Only thing Id change personally is a different voice. I mean no offense its just kinda dry and doesnt keep me too engaged.

  • @pseudonymsam
    @pseudonymsam 17 днів тому

    Sorry, but this video is not edited to your usual standards. The sound mixing is off at points, and the script has some gaps (like the identity of Wulf, who is only abruptly introduced as running away to join the Dunlendings) and redundancies (Saruman cutting down all of the trees to fuel industry, Uruk-hai being resistant to sunlight, etc.). I like your series on the LotR lore, but these errors were distracting.

  • @MercyoverJudgemnt
    @MercyoverJudgemnt 19 днів тому

    The evil forces could of won they just are numerous and suck

  • @callum4450
    @callum4450 19 днів тому

    still no malazan :(

  • @jonathanharkins786
    @jonathanharkins786 19 днів тому

    Comments

  • @steakdriven
    @steakdriven 19 днів тому +2

    War of the Rohirrim REALLY screwed up the lore.

    • @bdleo300
      @bdleo300 19 днів тому +1

      WOTR is just cringe fanfiction or at least 99%

    • @mokarokas-1727
      @mokarokas-1727 14 днів тому

      How did it screw up the lore?

  • @adamnesico
    @adamnesico 16 днів тому

    2000 norman knights defeating 10000 swiss pikemen?
    Thats total bulshit.
    How Tolkien wrote something so stupid?

    • @lucasmuniz5263
      @lucasmuniz5263 16 днів тому

      @@adamnesico there are no pikemen in the books

    • @adamnesico
      @adamnesico 16 днів тому

      @lucasmuniz5263 i remember well that pikes were described in hornburg battle.

    • @lucasmuniz5263
      @lucasmuniz5263 16 днів тому

      @ no, they weren’t. You are confounding with the movie

    • @adamnesico
      @adamnesico 15 днів тому

      @@lucasmuniz5263 the book described that each soldier wielded a ling and black pike as they aproached the castle. Read it again.

    • @lucasmuniz5263
      @lucasmuniz5263 15 днів тому

      @@adamnesico “For a staring moment the watchers on the walls saw all the space between then and the Dike lit with white light: it was boiling and crawling with black shapes, some squat and broad, some tall and grim, with high helms and sable shields.”
      “The assailing hosts halted, foiled by the silent menace of rock and wall. […] Then the Orcs screamed, waving spear and sword, and shooting a cloud of arrows at any that stood revealed upon the battlements.”
      It mentions helms, shields, spears and swords, but no mention of pikes.

  • @SK3.1
    @SK3.1 19 днів тому +2

    How do you breed Orks???? wtf....

    • @grillmeisterkush6396
      @grillmeisterkush6396 19 днів тому +1

      Tolkien knew how but I'm sure the methods have been lost in time

    • @thestanleys3657
      @thestanleys3657 19 днів тому

      Orcs are corrupted Elves they breed the same way. to crossbreed like saruman did for his urak-hai replace one of the orcs with a man

    • @lucasmuniz5263
      @lucasmuniz5263 18 днів тому +2

      The same way other races do

  • @Apollo1989V
    @Apollo1989V 19 днів тому +3

    War of the the Rohirrim is a good movie that deserved better marketing.

    • @bdleo300
      @bdleo300 19 днів тому +1

      No it's not. It's total garbage.

  • @ImperatorSomnium
    @ImperatorSomnium 19 днів тому +1

    Wow those are rusians

    • @bdleo300
      @bdleo300 19 днів тому

      nah, that's your bulgaroid family