The Expanse: A Look at Ceres Station - Spacedock Short
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- Опубліковано 6 лип 2017
- Spacedock returns to The Expanse for a quick look at the Port City of the Asteroid Belt.
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its a nice touch that they didnt go with the usual "The richer people live at the top cause thats the way it has to be" but actual hve them living lowest so the gravity is more livable for them.
but the rich people tend to be from earth and mars the higher gravity at the outer edges is the most livable for them unless they want to be crippled like a good chunk of the beltter population and stuck in low G forever.
Lower levels have more gravity and less Coriollis. Simple as that
@@androkguz When you consider that Ceres is basically a small inside-out (due to the spin) planet, the so-called "lower levels" _are_ at the top.
I think it's more a matter of the richer people living closer to the docks, because that's where most the money is from people coming and going. That's where all the upscale establishments catering to non-belters are located.
i dont mean to be so off topic but does anybody know of a way to log back into an Instagram account..?
I somehow lost the account password. I love any assistance you can offer me.
Oh hey, a Spacedock about a spacedock
I love The Expanse!
Dave Johnson gotta love the expanse, can't wait for season 3
Dave Johnson I
Man the thing I love most about this channel is the fact that I've never seen some of these shows and they still hold my attention like it's my favourite show. Would love to see a run down on DS9
STAY AWAY FROM DA AQUA
Absolutely love that quote. I say it at work- people just look at me like im weird.
@@moxica6478 I call people belta lader, it has same results, except people already knew I'm weird :D
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I loved diago. I was sad he got radicalized and died. I wanted him to join the Roci crew.
Once again, a nice, concise piece of work
Hope you'll get to cover the Nauvoo at some point. The size and original design it has are cool enough but it's later adaptations (with name-changes) are really interesting, both structurally and politically imho.
My guess is he's gonna wait until the TV series gets a bit further with that topic. Wouldn't want to spoil some surprises for those who didn't read the books.
One of the most interesting space stations, especially the way the 0.3G is achieved.
I hope I don't spoil it for you but while most of the expanse does an excellent job of staying within what is scientifically plausible the asteroid space stations are utter nonsense. Eros would be just about plausible assuming it could be melted and forged into solid stone as opposed to the loose collection of rubble that it is in reality. However, Ceres (even if made purely from carbon nano tubes (the strongest known material) would tear itself apart due to the centrifugal forces.
@@pioneer_1148but there are no asteroid stations in the Expanse, is there?
Just more reason for me to watch the expanse.
I gotta say your accent and the dialogue you choose really make these ships and stations that I already love even more exciting! A+
There's no law on Ceres, Just cops.
Ceres was once covered in ice! Enough water for a thousand generations! Untill earth and mars stole it away for themselves!
Earth doesn't need Ceres Ice, so stop blaming us for your problems belter trash. Glory be to the true humans on Earth and Mars.
@@kingjonstarkgeryan8573 Earth? BAHAHAH! You and your days of imperialism are ending. We Dusters are united with a purpose. Mars shall prevail.
@@mohammedfachrydwihandoko7557 Mars is a client state of Terra. IMPERATOR VULT!!!
Y'all are all traitors in the eyes of the God-Emperor of Mankind
Submit to the authority of the Imperium or face annihilation
Guys guys. We are all human, come to us and convert to the Church of Latter Day Saints, join our generation ship as a unified Mormon community, we will colonize a new system!
I'm not familiar with The Expanse. Is it worth checking out?
Kind of sounds like Babylon 5.
Tv series is good, books are excellent. Have at it! :)
Thomas Kirkness-Little both seasons are now on netflix.
I don't know what that is. I'll download it, if I like it I'll buy the DVDs. I might try the books after I've finished my Humble Bundle Horus Heresy books.
It's a Space Opera that leans towards the harder side of science fiction. It's set in the solar system in the 23rd century and the 1st season focuses on the crew of an ice hauler caught up in something way bigger than themselves, a detective on Ceres who wants to solve his case and a UN politician who's trying to prevent an all out war between the powers of the system. All while something sinister in happening in the background.
The show is surprisingly good, and the books are even better, as has been mentioned. It's the sort of science fiction that does have it's fair share of space battles and and other assorted space opera action while also exploring social conflicts and class struggles of a not very pleasant future.
I don't know why, But I find your Videos Relaxing.
I worked on this set in CNE Toronto as a permit carpenter for 75% of the build the length Amazon went to please the fans was amazing. The real union carpenters finished it off and the finished product is brilliant. cheers to Ben Smit
Dang I made it through all of your expanse videos. I loved them all!
U said that ceres is an asteroid but its classification is more dwarf planet. "The 2006 IAU decision that classified Ceres as a dwarf planet also implied that it is simultaneously an asteroid. It introduces the category of small Solar System body, as objects that are neither planets nor dwarf planets, and states that they 'currently include most of the Solar System asteroids'"
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Fuck the OPA. Fuck the Belters. Fuck Marco Inaros
I miss this show, where is that bloody next series! It was getting more interesting and more beautiful as it went.
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Always wondered about the water spirals
great channel.👍
Just a note on terminology within the video: Ceres, though located within the asteroid belt, is not itself an asteroid. The IAU considers Ceres to be a dwarf planet, the *first* dwarf planet to be discovered, in fact.
what about the Stargate replicators meeting the Borg in battle
Just a matter of who reaches the other one´s BIOS first
@@kawafahra well not really Stargate Replicators are far more advanced and could eat the Borg in days /a few weeks.
Why the hell would they dig deeper into the asteroid rather than along the equator? Or is the equator all developed by the time of The Expanse?
Yay!!!!
Remember the Cant!
I´m fucking love The Expanse !
CERES MY FAVORITE (Dwarf) PLANET
Oye Belta
#WatchTheExpanseLive #SaveTheExpanse
I hope you cover Eros as well!
The body it's self has some gravity, you would think they would build a more conventional dome facility on the surface to take advantage of it. It's only about as much as earths moon but still...
It's got .029g, the moon has .1g
You should do the Nostalgia for Infinity from the Revelation Space series
Do a video on mars
Remember when Ridley blew up Ceres Station in order go get his claws on the last metroid?
It'd be nice if we could get a video on the farragaut class battlecruiser or majestic class interceptor from elite, either way keep up the good work
should cover some of the space tech or organisms from starcraft
The artwork you use looks awesome. Where do you find them?
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How about a look at the hypergates from lost in space (movie)
can you do a short about how photon and quantum torpedoes work in star trek?
I think he alreadt did, but it was on another channel (still Daniel/Spacedock who narrated though).
If that was now id live there.
Got an idea for a Ship vs Ship short. Tyranid Hiveship vs Zerg Leviathan.
Shouldn’t the levels be spreading out causing less Coriolis effect?
Beltalowda!
Do stargate atlantis city next please would like to know a lot more about it??
hey, got a suggestion for you, Spacedock person! i dont know how much info would be available, but do you think you could make a video talking about the ships and robots of the old Descent pc game trilogy? thanks for your time, sir!
can you please talk about the neutral Hulk Joey control ship
sometimes you do starship vs. What about the Donnager class from the expense vs. The battlestar galactic both ships used basically the same kind of weaponry
Not worth it. BSG is armored to take small Nukes….but the expanse has longer range weapons and really big Nukes.
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0:48 This is probably a dumb question, but how would a ship like the Rocinante dock at Ceres station? The airlocks are shown as being oriented horizontally, while the Roci has airlocks oriented vertically. Do they have separate docks for ships like that or do ships like that have to turn 90 dgerees, making the floor the walls?
cargo port is at the front if I remember correctly
Not sure, but don't forget in the Roci, gravity is from the front of the ship to the back. It's built like a tower, with each level's 'down' facing what looks like the back of the ship, at least from the outside. Could make docking even more interesting.
Ceres, Like basically everything else in the expanse is oriented to accept ships designed with ‘down’ being oriented towards their drive cone.
@@Matt-yg8ub Interestingly, season 6 finalised it by showing that they have wall airlocks as well as floor airlocks.
Now please do admiral ackbars fleet please!!
any chance on doing Babylon 5 Mimbari ships?
Garrus from Mass Effect would enjoy it there for he would clean up that station as Archangel.
Hey can you do a mass effect andromeda ship???????
How about a look at Babylon 5? (The station.)
All alone in the night.
Ceres Station. Pretty damned good. It's no Troy though. LoL.
but wasn't supposed to be a bad idea to rotate entire asteroids considering that the material they are made of couldn't support the G forces?
Why would the docks be at the equator, rather than at the poles?
Now that's a damn good question.
I assume because the angular velocity at the equator is much lower, and that's also where the effect of spin based gravity is the most useful?
The velocity at the equator would have to be the *highest*. I don't know how it could be any way else.
Have you ever thought about a career in advertisement? I want to go to Ceres now.
I miss Ceres. I'm on season 4 right now and I took ceres and all the other cool shit in the beginning for granted. It was boring at the time and I didn't really understand where it was or the history behind it. By the time I had everything figured out and got real into it, the ring happened and sht got all crazy. Also missing Miller a lot because I'm a Thomas Jane fan, but at least he comes around a little bit as the investigator. Really wish he didn't die so early on tho :(
Wouldn't Ceres disintegrate under negative 0.3G?
Good question. The rotational force on the surface of Ceres would be 11 times higher than the gravitational force. So it is probably doomed to disintegrate over time, slowly expanding outwards while its density is decreasing until it breaks apart.
Maybe in its current state, but I wonder if reenforcing it with, well, a station would help.
There's no way that would hold together. If you spun up any any body this size to have negative gravity, there would be many trillions of tons of rock try to push away, with nothing stopping it. At those massive scales, solid rock behaves like a liquid. It would just crumble apart instantly. **But, fuck all that. I love The Expanse, I don't care about rocks**
That was the first thing that I asked myself when watching the video.
Same thing with Eros (wich is smaller so it might be able to hold itself together).
Yep. It would basically Roche-Limit itself and fly to pieces.
This and other stuff (like the Epstein drive, which basically runs on Space Magic) is why I don't consider the Expanse to be hard sci-fi. It's soft, dressed up to look hard.
@@Manuelomar2001 Sorry, but plenty of the stuff that is considered hard has plenty of soft in it, so this series being considered hard or at least partial is fine. Wait, are we still talking about sci fi?
Yeah, this has bugged me ever since I first heard of it.
Yeah, while I was watching the show this confused me, and I sort of assumed that they were actually living in huge drums, like space stations that had been built inside the asteroid as shielding against meteors and attacks--that, at least, is possible. This, on the other hand, uh, no, no way the thing hangs together under those forces, and spinning it up like that is an insane project to begin with, though I guess with their drives it's doable.
You know what I'd REALLY like to see? A video on The Phoenix from Battle of the Planets (Gatchaman). And perhaps (fingers crossed) The Phoenix vs. Voltron or any of the other anime combo-ships. I know you probably have a lot on your plate, but I'm sure a lot of people would really dig that.
B5 please
talk about starship troopers. they have a lot cool ships
i swear that eros was the port city
It's not Siris, it's Ceres (Tseres or Keres)
Overlooking the slight problem of keeping Ceres from bursting apart under the high spin velocity, there is another thing that bugged me with your description (and the docking at Tycho Station in The Expanse).
On a spin gravity station, you wouldn't dock on the rotating rim - approaching the poles and adjusting to the rotation (Elite style) is way more energy conserving. Babylon 5 did this right.
It is possible to do a tangential approach to a spinning rim, but you have exactly one chance to grapple with the station, or you will float by (or crash into the rim). This has a plus side - relative speeds will be very similar, so the impact of a crash will be comparable to a car crash rather than a bullet. The down side is that you yank the ship along once it has grappled.
If you want to make an approach like the Rocinante made to Tycho station, you had better have a counter-spinning outer frame with which to make contact.
There is no real need to give a docked ship the benefit of rotational gravity. Moving cargo without having it to lift against the artificial gravity might be beneficial.
You would want to transfer goods or personnel from the (outwardly) non-spinning docking ring to the spun interior of the station. But only those goods that aren't here just for transfer. I can see no good reason to spin up a delivery of ice transshipped here between the Jupiter rings and Mars. There can be zero G storage facilities along this docking ring.
Stuff that is meant to be transfered into and out of the spin gravity of the station could be transferred by a train system that couples magnetically to the target portion of your station. Imagine a maglev train on "tracks" on both the spinning and the non-spinning part of the station. For loading and unloading, you synchronize the train with either of the sides, and put stuff or people in. Then accelerate or decelerate the spin until it matches with the other side.
This "train" could be an entire ring segment magnetically anchored to (repelled from) both sides. You would want several of these transfer rings or trains, so you can load/unload on either side and accelerate/decelerate all tat the same time.
If I had had to construct Ceres Station, I would have build a voluminous hyperloop (or several of those) on or below the surface of the planetoid, with such transfer modules in between. The natural gravity of Ceres would have remained available for the warehouse districts, and while magnetic boots probably would be advisable for people working there, having that weak gravity certainly would reduce the problem of pushing containers mainly to managing their inertia rather than their weight. That way, you wouldn't have to keep the dust and pebbles that make up much of the planetoid's mass from being expelled by centrifugal force.
Let's do the numbers. A good sized cruise ship will carry on thousandth of the population of Ceres in a module less than 300 meters long, and less than 80 meters wide or high. 1000 "wagons" of 500 metres length would fill a track 500 kilometers long. With a mean radius of 473 km we get an equatorial circumference of roughly 6 times that length, but you would want more space (working space) than that, e.g. for on-board hydroponics. But a single, equatorial maglev railway would provide ample volume for the entirety of the human population of the Expanse's Ceres Station.
You don't need to keep all your hydroponics at spin gravity. Vertical agriculture and aquaculture should work fine with the natural gravity of the planetoid. Heavy construction might benefit from the lower gravity.
If you want to have a "slum" area with intermediate gravity, add an older, slower train track (or a shorter one at a higher latitude) which might be used for transfer, or to accomodate belters who don't have the time (or who need a lot of time) to adjust to the higher gravity.
sartarite you need to work at spacex or something.
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Ceres station is that cool
how about white base from Mobles suite Gundam?
I don't know why I'm saying this it's ridicules but if I were a background character in the expanse I would be born and raised on Ceres.
Maybe I’m wrong but shouldn’t the deeper you go, the wider the radius gets, not smaller?
Shouldn’t the levels be increasing in size, not decreasing?
It's upside down, feet toward the surface and heads toward the center.
What is it's protection from radiation? We have Ozone and a magnetosphere on earth that probably dose a better job then simple thick metal walls could do. There's possible water based buffers that refract and deflect cosmic radiation too, plausibly.
Ceres is a rock, like most belt stations. The residents of series lived below the surface, only the ships docking at Ceres station are expressed to cosmic radiation, and they are already shielded against it. Further protection for the station would come from radiation shielding between the docks, and midtown.
Why would they need protection from radiation in a first place? They have anti radiation pills and know how to cure cancer as easy as we cure flu.
@@janchovanec8624 sure….they can’t cure cancer ….just like we can’t cure the flu.
@Ján Chovanec they also proceed to cure radiation that kills you in a day and rots you with some basic transplants and medicine
hey can-do Homeworld deserts of kharak
That'll have to wait untill they get their ground vehicles series up, but I admit, Deserts of Kahrak offers plenty of good subjects, like the Land Carrier
That fuckin Land Carrier ^^ (Although Dune Carrier is probably more fitting). As soon as I saw it in a trailer I knew I had to own that game. Was not disappointed ^^
i want them to do the pride of hiigara
Why didn't they make Ceres spin faster so the gravity would be the same as earth?
It took a lot of time and work to even get it to spin at 0.3g. Tycho consider it their proudest acheivement. The implication is that that's the best they can manage.
Dilan Gonzalez more coriolis too
Harder to do….fewer Belters can live there, worse spin effects
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Wait a second, let's do some math. If 0.3 g is 2.94 meter/square second and Ceres has 0.28 m/s^2 natural gravity, then it would seem centrifugal force would pull Ceres apart. Also consider the fact that the tangential velocity (at the equatorial surface) would be about 1183 m/s, more than twice the escape velocity of Ceres (about 515 m/s). So, Spacedock, how would you propose to dock with this dwarf planet?
Probably why you go in from below, once inside, sync the rotation of the ship with the station.
I like movies
So, that's not how spin gravity works, and if you did spin up Ceres enough to get human healthy gravity on various levels, which would get much weaker the closer you got to the core, Ceres would fly apart.
What's with the hat? It keeps the rain off my head.
Why does he not use the possessive case when he should, with regard to the asteroid's name? E.g. 0:47 he says "as a natural result of Ceres artificial gravity," and not "Ceres's artifical gravity."
It would be spelled " Ceres' "
In other words, you keep the apostrophe, but drop the extra "s" to avoid hissing at your audience like a reptile.
That's for plurals, not just any word that ends in an ess. Even if there were risk of hissing (which there isn't, since the sibilant is voiced), conveying grammatical info (namely, the possessive) is more important.
@@JackVermicelli Apostrophes are for possessives; "Esses" at the end of words imply plurality.
To designate the ownership-ness of a noun that ends with the letter "S', one does not need the an extra "S" behind the Apostrophe. Since there aren't multiples of the noun, Ceres, adding extra "Esses" would be the incorrect information, since there aren't a plurality of Ceres.
Ceres itself, like any noun, can be considered to have "ownership" of something else. In this instance, Ceres has ownership of it's artificial gravity.
In simpler terms: the sentence "Ceres' artificial gravity..." does contain the proper grammatical info, as long as you know what to listen for (hint: it's not hissing).
For posterity I'm going to quote your original post that I originally responded to so you can't edit it to cover up your mistake:
"Why does he not use the possessive case when he should, with regard to the asteroid's name? E.g. 0:47 he says "as a natural result of Ceres artificial gravity," and not "Ceres's artifical gravity."" -A. J. Steinman
What did you think of Babylon's ashes?
Why would they build into the moon? What's wrong with developing the surface? Lack of protection from meteorites or radiation?
Not enough gravity to live reasonably, it's less than .1g; they had to make it a massive centrifuge instead basically.
Aside from the fact that Ceres would fall apart if spun up, the use of that much energy to create artificial gravity by spinning a solid sphere instead of a ring would have been rejected by any reasonable engineering study.
I thought Ceres was a moon
That's no moon... it's a space station!
How does Ceres maintain a breathable atmosphere?
It doesn’t
Everything is under the surface. Even spun up, Ceres does not have enough gravity support an atmosphere. Beneath the surface, life support systems, including midtown landscaping provide everybody with a breathable atmosphere.
I can tell the writer of the Expanse wasn't that well versed in physics.
If you were to spin something the size of a dwarf planet so fast it had reverse gravity, centrifugal force would literally tear the dwarf planet apart pretty much instantly. For essentially the same reason planets bulge at the equator of their rotation.
Though I guess that was the only real way to explain in the show why people can walk around normally on Ceres.
They also explained that they used Nukes to solidify the asteroids before spinning them up
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i dont understand
Cough cough pride of hiigara cough cough
anybody else who saw the title and thought warframe when they saw ceres?
i did >.
Crime creates poverty not the other way around
And Change the damn filters.
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My favorite series along with the orville...not only is it awesome (and so far SJW contaminated) but is also clearly sci-fi but more realistic...especially the earth the belt and mars are well thought of and i like the distinct culture that a mixed civilisation like the belters have become even having theier own language
The whole thing would fall apart at 0.3 g. It's all basically gravel.
it's semi hard science for a reason
They stuck some duck tape to keep it all working together.
You're thinking of its much smaller neighbors. Ceres the largest dwarf planet in the asteroid belt, and, with dwarf planets, their gravity is strong enough to crush themselves into spherical shapes.
I can't find anything alluding to a gravely surface, which would seem to be a contradiction with it displaying craters as well as it having enough geology to not exhibit many craters (thanks to its iciness allowing surface smoothing).
The problem is composition, not size, it would fall apart if spun up to the necessary speeds to achieve a decent level of gravity on it.
Some are solid. Some are clumps of icy gravel. Since we haven't landed on Ceres we don't know despite all the science saying it's this or that. In case you hadn't notice space surprises scientists on a regular basis.
The dock makes no sense, the ships would have to accelerate to orbit Ceres at the same rate of the rotation, any error would make them crash into the dock. It should be at the center of rotation with zero G. Likewise the spiral levels are enormous according to that diagram, at least 300 km across.
Hence why they use drones to guide ships into the docks. Also I'm sure there are automatic systems on spacecraft that aid in docking.