The speaker's job has always to be unbiased and to ensure that business of the house was conducted fairly. He doesn't insist the PM answers questions at so called - Pm's questions and he prevents MPs asking questions, to which ordinary constituents simply want an answer to. If this happened in another country, it would be called a dictatorship run by tyrannical leader but here - we just roll over and accept it. Our political system is rotten to the core.
Questions to the government and police regarding their actions, has no bearing at all on the trial itself. They are making themselves unanswerable to the people.
Of course not …a trial is not even required..there are witnesses to what he did and there is no way he wasn’t guilty of mass murder, whether or not the despicable establishment lawyers etc manage to explain away the terrorism bit. He needs a life sentence without the possibility of getting out and the deceit by Starmer and the establishment means there are a few others who should be joining him
@@theinngu5560 exactly, it makes no difference. Also this idea that the case could collapse is utter bollox. ... Juries can make their own mind up, the more information they have the better.
Regardles our borders are wide open to anyone and everyone. Where is Yvette Cooper? Where is this government? Carry on regardless, allowing eneducated unqualified doctors and engineers to flock here every single day. No documents, no vetting, just complete and utter incompetence.
In a report by the Office of Budget Responsibility it said that out of 3,600,000 visas given to immigrants, only 0.8% were for doctors and 0.6% were given to scientists. Far from the NHS being propped up by immigration, they only account for 3% of the workforce. The OBR are an Independent body that examines and analyses the sustainability of the nation’s finances.
@@janicevango5791 And we wouldn't need that extra 3% if politicians hadn't thrown open our borders to all and sundry. It's been estimated by some watchdogs that the population is close to 75 million - from 59 million in 2001.
They are desperate to sell them off to US farming conglomerates. The same will happen across Europe & Ukraine as the economy collapses under the weight of paying for the war in Ukraine, insane green policies & the burden of cripplingly expensive energy (due to the US pushing us into buying their LNG making our industrial energy inputs 4x more expensive than competitors).
It's Called Communism Mate. Collective Farming And Full State Control You Can Include Education In That Too..V.A.T on Private Education Is a Step To Eradicate The Intelligent into a Controlled Moron.
I was stunned at the direction given to MPs at PMs QT. I watched it live and was of the opinion this man has no business chairing parliament anymore. There are questions which need to be answered considering the political prisoners they are now holding with regards to the establishment shutting down our right to protest about legitimate concerns. This is another legitimate concern.
Yes you have to wonder what they are covering up…either way, the level of deceit is off the wall and if Boris can go for cakes, they should definitely go for this.
Upsetting a certain community. Standard protocol after a terrorist attack. Downplay it, pretend the far right are to blame, bring up Islamophobia, show concerned Muslims. They fear civil war breaking out. It was known at the time that anti terrorist police had visited the scumbags residence. The political class are entirely to blame for allowing his parents to settle here in the first place not to mention importing countless criminals & terrorists. 40000 on the watchlist without the resources to be watched.
From the government ,to the speaker of the House, to the governor of Belmarsh prison , we have people in our institutions who are making up the rules to suit their own political agenda , we have an out of control dictatorship running this country and the people , as always , will suffer . If Peter thinks a fair trial is paramount, does he think a PM proclaiming all tweeters as criminals , before they went to court , jgave them a fair hearing ?
@@theinngu5560,hello, its gone quiet on the thing??? that cant be talked about because it would bring starmer down. Someone knowes and should leak it. Come on sun newspaper do the right thing,you know you want to.
I think he is out of order for telling them not to ask questions regarding Southport. Obviously they are not going to ask questions that would jeopardise the trial. All the public want to know is WHEN DID THEY KNOW AND WHEN IS HE GOING TO RELEASE THE POLITICAL PRISONERS
I still can’t see how you can jeopardise a trial like this…he committed his crime in full daylight with witnesses…no trial needed, where nefarious people could make excuses for him. He should be locked up for life and the key thrown away from the minute he was arrested.
hoyle is there to make politicians behave within the house of commons, he is not there to restrain MPs on what they want to debate or say under parliamentry privilege, he has acted beyond his powers and should be immediately sacked, he is gagging parliament to protect the government.
What!!? So our MPs aren’t allowed to ask questions in Parliament to find out what’s going on? But Starmer was allowed to speak at length about his fictional “far right thugs” to prejudice their cases going through the courts. 2 tier keir.
The Liebour Party should buy Hoyle a superhero costume. He has yet again come to Starmers rescue, his bias is exposed, and he needs to step down. Why was not the aftermath of Southport protected by sub-judice. Both Starmer, Cooper, and the Home Office commented on sentencing and alledged activities that were yet to come to court. Stinks to high heaven.
Why do these people get to do this? Why do we let them? After all, they are just a bunch of " temps." Most of whom are woefully under qualified for their jobs, and the rest are just inept. We are and MUST remain a FREE people.
I thought Linsay as speaker is supposed stay neutral in matters of the sitting Government party and the opposition party, he seems to be supporting Labour from answering questions, thats not being neutral, thats helping one side, the people come first and they work for us.
We, the great British public, are always told ‘now is not the time to talk about it’…we all know that is merely an excuse to stop us talking about it at all and to kick it into the long grass by which point people will forget
I have a question. If Lindsey Hoyle can stop parliamentary discussion on the Southport case why was it acceptable to do so with the alleged far right protesters ?
@@ShyTalks-d8b how can you prejudice the facts…he committed murder in front of many witnesses…..prejudicing a live case is what they are trying to do and lying big time with vindictiveness in the process.
The question is not about the forthcoming trial (if there is one, as the mental health card is yet to be waved)but exactly what and when did Starmer and Cooper know about the incident in the first 12-24 hours.
Why weren’t MPs worried that the Jamie Bulger trial would collapse when publicly speculating in and out of Parliament that ‘video nasties’ and Childs Play 2 inspired or caused them to do it? It wasn’t even clear what role each one had in the murder and MPs weren’t worried the case would collapse.
Why are we not seeing a recent photo of the accused? He is now 18yo so presumably, the age restriction no longer applies. Or, does it? Similarly, the family connections to the ruling party in Rwanda. This suggests something strange with the refugee process if their family is so well connected at the top level in Rwanda. A country that has been so much in the news in the UK in very recent times, yet no mention of this connection. Hmm.
If the changes to Inheritance tax for farms had happened in France loads of tractors would be heading for the gates at the end of Downing St and dropping loads of dung!
As Starmer is following the WEF he wants the farms to have a big tax bill and they have to be sold off to pay the tax and the corporations buy up the farms and ration the food…
Who would have thought that the speaker would stop freedom of speech? Is SIR lindsey still under investigation for the disagreement with SIR kier ? 2 tier agenda ,SIR, TITLES, the party inside the parties?
I think many, after the last fourteen years couldn't bear to vote tory, didn't trust Labour and weren't yet ready to make the jump to reform, hopefully in 4 years these voters will be less timid and give Reform a go
Effectively Starmer used the Speaker of the house to prevent him being asked embarrassing questions about what he knew and when whilst spreading discontent across the nation with his devisive rhetoric.
A London budget. No empathy or understanding of rural living. The importance of public transport being one example. Farming another. Distressing for so many and for the country as a whole.
These Labour politicians make me feel physically sick & I’m worried sick! At almost 66 yrs old I will definitely have to sell my home of 26 yrs to live with my family. My husband died in 2020 & I’m obviously widowed & unfortunately unwell, none of this will help me along with all fellow citizens of Britain who have worked all their lives, sad 😔
Well THEY CERTAINLY CANT HIDE WHAT A MURDERER OF CHILDREN DID . AND planned more..now being fed and kept warm by the people who's children they killed...ANGER HAS GONE NOW ITS PURE HATE..
MPs should talk about the case after the trial........plenty of scope to have a go at the government and to talk about the other people quickly locked up after the Southport event.
Im a great admirer of Hitchens but here I do believe with this labour gov it does set a dangerous precedent in motion for so much more that the gov will bring in. If it is not challenged by mp’s it will become normal… just as normal as machetes in the street
Well that can be expected from Mr Speaker of the house he is a labour MP after all that’s his impartiality gone to the wall bound to stick up for his own party Order Order
The whole point of this scandalous situation is that Starmer and Cooper basically denied this was an Islamist problem and verbally attacked the British people with spiteful hate for suggesting that's what it could be. Starmer even going as far to say they were protecting the Muslim community whilst 3 innocent young lives have been taken, he is an utter disgrace !
Again LInsay Hoyle protecting the Labour Party…he needs to go 🇬🇧
🎯 THAT is simply all that it is about.
I’m surprised at Peter, how is asking the PM if he knew about the evidence before protesters were arrested going to jeopardise the case?
Desperately trying to keep the lid on a boiling kettle by any means
@@sillypuppy5940 it spilt over long ago.. how they dont see that is beyond words
The speaker's job has always to be unbiased and to ensure that business of the house was conducted fairly. He doesn't insist the PM answers questions at so called - Pm's questions and he prevents MPs asking questions, to which ordinary constituents simply want an answer to. If this happened in another country, it would be called a dictatorship run by tyrannical leader but here - we just roll over and accept it. Our political system is rotten to the core.
Not the first time he's bent the knee to labour
He looks like he bends over for other things too
Linsay Hoyle is in Starmers pocket.
Starmer in lord Ali's pocket 🤔
ALI in Lord Rothschilds pocket.
Along with the majority of the British media it seems.
Its at least the second time he has done an extraordinary parliamentary procedure as a favor for Starmer. Hoyle needs to be removed and prosecuted.
The Government wouldn't be banning anything if this was Caucasian Brits involved.
@@ShyTalks-d8b Have you been over medicating again ?
They wouldn't, Starmer would be demanding they face maximum sentences.
@@cyberleaderandy1spot on
@@cyberleaderandy1 and an immediate trial
Nothing says democracy like banning people from speaking.
It isn't a democracy. A 2 party system can never be democratic and when we get Labour in power it becomes a dictatorship.
Our system doesn’t perpetuate freedom
It's communism..
Questions to the government and police regarding their actions, has no bearing at all on the trial itself. They are making themselves unanswerable to the people.
Of course not …a trial is not even required..there are witnesses to what he did and there is no way he wasn’t guilty of mass murder, whether or not the despicable establishment lawyers etc manage to explain away the terrorism bit. He needs a life sentence without the possibility of getting out and the deceit by Starmer and the establishment means there are a few others who should be joining him
24/7 media stories about Sarah Everards murderer didn't seem to be a problem. It's like they think we're all as stupid as Labour voters
@@theinngu5560 exactly, it makes no difference.
Also this idea that the case could collapse is utter bollox. ... Juries can make their own mind up, the more information they have the better.
Regardles our borders are wide open to anyone and everyone. Where is Yvette Cooper? Where is this government? Carry on regardless, allowing eneducated unqualified doctors and engineers to flock here every single day. No documents, no vetting, just complete and utter incompetence.
In a report by the Office of Budget Responsibility it said that out of 3,600,000 visas given to immigrants, only 0.8% were for doctors and 0.6% were given to scientists. Far from the NHS being propped up by immigration, they only account for 3% of the workforce. The OBR are an Independent body that examines and analyses the sustainability of the nation’s finances.
And no health checks, hence the increase in HIV, drug resistant TB and Polio, etc.
@@janicevango5791 And we wouldn't need that extra 3% if politicians hadn't thrown open our borders to all and sundry. It's been estimated by some watchdogs that the population is close to 75 million - from 59 million in 2001.
Their not open to the British.. we HAVE TO PROVE WHO WE ARE TO GET TO COUNTRIES THAT DONT WANT US..we're the working class..not super rich...
@@ChristineRead-ck1uq that would not be a surprise
Remember their kids are safe its our kids always at risk 😢
Animal Farm 2024
Lost farms from 2024 too.
We're definitely on the slippery slope there.
Yep starmer is red as they come
Labour want farms to belong to corporations, they have their own agenda
I read somewhere that this is exactly what's happening in NZ already, so the smaller farms are being priced out of farming!🤦♀️
🎯 Communism: control of the means of food and power production. Centralised, "command" economy.
They are desperate to sell them off to US farming conglomerates. The same will happen across Europe & Ukraine as the economy collapses under the weight of paying for the war in Ukraine, insane green policies & the burden of cripplingly expensive energy (due to the US pushing us into buying their LNG making our industrial energy inputs 4x more expensive than competitors).
You will own nothing and be happy
It's Called Communism Mate. Collective Farming And Full State Control You Can Include Education In That Too..V.A.T on Private Education Is a Step To Eradicate The Intelligent into a Controlled Moron.
We are knee-deep in horror. The atrocity unleashed by Keir Starmer and Yvette Cooper has thrown unimaginable sadness across England. WHO will save us?
Across the UK.
Don't ask WHO to save us, they're the one's that tried to coerce everyone into having the jab.
Justice in this country has GONE !
I was stunned at the direction given to MPs at PMs QT. I watched it live and was of the opinion this man has no business chairing parliament anymore. There are questions which need to be answered considering the political prisoners they are now holding with regards to the establishment shutting down our right to protest about legitimate concerns. This is another legitimate concern.
I think questions need to be asked, if they are answered or not would be defining!!!!
Covering up for Starmer again.
Well argued, Mike.
What is it about this Southport trial that is so precarious and fragile?
Yes you have to wonder what they are covering up…either way, the level of deceit is off the wall and if Boris can go for cakes, they should definitely go for this.
Starmer knows something or labours protecting criminals
Hello, something goes a lot deeper than southport????we need to know.
Upsetting a certain community. Standard protocol after a terrorist attack. Downplay it, pretend the far right are to blame, bring up Islamophobia, show concerned Muslims. They fear civil war breaking out. It was known at the time that anti terrorist police had visited the scumbags residence. The political class are entirely to blame for allowing his parents to settle here in the first place not to mention importing countless criminals & terrorists. 40000 on the watchlist without the resources to be watched.
They are protecting lies .
They act as if they were voted in by the whole country.
Yet, only 20% of the votes went to this ill educated bunch
instead of 20% of the eligible voter base
@@coling3957Even less voted for the Tories yet 4 out of 5 seats in Parliament are held by the votes of only 34% of the electorate.
From the government ,to the speaker of the House, to the governor of Belmarsh prison , we have people in our institutions who are making up the rules to suit their own political agenda , we have an out of control dictatorship running this country and the people , as always , will suffer . If Peter thinks a fair trial is paramount, does he think a PM proclaiming all tweeters as criminals , before they went to court , jgave them a fair hearing ?
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In his career starmer has completely subverted the cps the police to suit his agenda
And I hope some decent journalists dig deep enough to find a cause for Starmer to resign and preferably be charged.
@@theinngu5560,hello, its gone quiet on the thing??? that cant be talked about because it would bring starmer down. Someone knowes and should leak it. Come on sun newspaper do the right thing,you know you want to.
I think he is out of order for telling them not to ask questions regarding Southport. Obviously they are not going to ask questions that would jeopardise the trial. All the public want to know is WHEN DID THEY KNOW AND WHEN IS HE GOING TO RELEASE THE POLITICAL PRISONERS
I still can’t see how you can jeopardise a trial like this…he committed his crime in full daylight with witnesses…no trial needed, where nefarious people could make excuses for him. He should be locked up for life and the key thrown away from the minute he was arrested.
@@theinngu5560 I fear he will be suffering with The Old Chestnut Mental Health Issues!!!!!!
hoyle is there to make politicians behave within the house of commons, he is not there to restrain MPs on what they want to debate or say under parliamentry privilege, he has acted beyond his powers and should be immediately sacked, he is gagging parliament to protect the government.
What!!? So our MPs aren’t allowed to ask questions in Parliament to find out what’s going on? But Starmer was allowed to speak at length about his fictional “far right thugs” to prejudice their cases going through the courts. 2 tier keir.
Time to turn our backs.
The Liebour Party should buy Hoyle a superhero costume. He has yet again come to Starmers rescue, his bias is exposed, and he needs to step down. Why was not the aftermath of Southport protected by sub-judice. Both Starmer, Cooper, and the Home Office commented on sentencing and alledged activities that were yet to come to court. Stinks to high heaven.
Hoyle is protecting starmer as he knows something and frightened of being questioned, free Tommy Robinson as he's inocent and a political prisoner
Wake up, he's a con man.
@SagaciousFrank Hoyle or Starmer or both?
@@terryfarren667 , how much did TR defraud everyone on his legal costs?
@@SagaciousFrank I've no idea how much, if that is true, and you cannot prove that is true can you?
@@terryfarren667 he's of very low character, a serial fraudster, for one.
Why do these people get to do this? Why do we let them? After all, they are just a bunch of " temps." Most of whom are woefully under qualified for their jobs, and the rest are just inept. We are and MUST remain a FREE people.
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WHAT A LOAD OF CAHOONERS,THIS HAS COMEDIRECTLY FROM THE PM
Starmer dictated Hoyle's speech. Starmer called all rioters criminals before trials.
The people of Southport should have been told the truth.
They KNEW the truth! It's the police and government that lied.
I thought Linsay as speaker is supposed stay neutral in matters of the sitting Government party and the opposition party, he seems to be supporting Labour from answering questions, thats not being neutral, thats helping one side, the people come first and they work for us.
He is a labour supporter is Lindsey Hoyle and caused controversy before.
Amazing That You Can’t Talk About This IN PARLIAMENT !! …
Comrade Hoyle!
He's looking a bit smarter these days, has Ali used his card for him also.?
If an MP refuses to be silenced where does that leave Lindsey Hoyle? Moreso if a number of them refuse
I dread the future both near and far of this country.
We, the great British public, are always told ‘now is not the time to talk about it’…we all know that is merely an excuse to stop us talking about it at all and to kick it into the long grass by which point people will forget
I have a question. If Lindsey Hoyle can stop parliamentary discussion on the Southport case why was it acceptable to do so with the alleged far right protesters ?
I’m sure it’s pure coincidence that an ex Labour MP appears to protect the current Labour PM from scrutiny 🤔
What happened to Parliamentary Privilege…..
@@ShyTalks-d8b how can you prejudice the facts…he committed murder in front of many witnesses…..prejudicing a live case is what they are trying to do and lying big time with vindictiveness in the process.
Unless directly involved in the case; how is asking when the PM was aware of something going to have any influence on a case?
Peter is a classic example of someone I can agree and disagree very strongly within 10 minutes.
Did certain people, use the horrendous murder of 3 little girls to achieve political aims? That is the question, are we allowed to ask that?
Hoyle is suppose to be impartial but it looks like the rules are made up as they go along
Smoke and Mirrors!!
Asking how long the government knew about the terrorist aspects would not effect the trial at all.
You have to ask Whois pulling his strings……..very worrying
We know …. Begins with W
And here's me thinking Linsay Holye was a decent human being. He is protecting no one, as the truth is out there.
They are looking for an excuse to get that kid off the hook.
Mark my words.
The question is not about the forthcoming trial (if there is one, as the mental health card is yet to be waved)but exactly what and when did Starmer and Cooper know about the incident in the first 12-24 hours.
They knew and the level of deceit, cover up and vindictiveness is off the wall. Both should be jailed.
Why weren’t MPs worried that the Jamie Bulger trial would collapse when publicly speculating in and out of Parliament that ‘video nasties’ and Childs Play 2 inspired or caused them to do it? It wasn’t even clear what role each one had in the murder and MPs weren’t worried the case would collapse.
Why are we not seeing a recent photo of the accused? He is now 18yo so presumably, the age restriction no longer applies. Or, does it?
Similarly, the family connections to the ruling party in Rwanda. This suggests something strange with the refugee process if their family is so well connected at the top level in Rwanda. A country that has been so much in the news in the UK in very recent times, yet no mention of this connection. Hmm.
Peter Hitchins is wrong on this point- MPs have been gagged and unable to question spineless Starmer about what he knows and when he knew it
This can’t be right. Parliament must be allowed to ask ANY QUESTION about anything .
Very useful and respectful debate. Thank you.
If the changes to Inheritance tax for farms had happened in France loads of tractors would be heading for the gates at the end of Downing St and dropping loads of dung!
It came in days for the rioters to go to court
Hitchens is a windbag. Hoyle is protecting Stamer.
As Starmer is following the WEF he wants the farms to have a big tax bill and they have to be sold off to pay the tax and the corporations buy up the farms and ration the food…
So Hoyle is now complicit in this cover up like the good labour supporter that he is.
what happened to impunity in the house?
Gone, along with real democracy
*immunity
Both Starmer and Reeves look like Bug Eaters.. They have no need for Farms or Farmers
Real food ( people food ) is too Good for their Kind
Who would have thought that the speaker would stop freedom of speech? Is SIR lindsey still under investigation for the disagreement with SIR kier ? 2 tier agenda ,SIR, TITLES, the party inside the parties?
Hoyle has to go. They all have to go. New GE.
starman had a lot to say before the sentencing of the political prisoners ? what's the difference ?
Farmers and everyone else should boycott London
Lindsay hoyles is protecting starmer and cooper this man should go
Basically a ban on Reform MPs, they need to challenge it
Over 19 million people didn't bother to vote and handed Starmer power without a fight.
How is the non compliance working out?
I think many, after the last fourteen years couldn't bear to vote tory, didn't trust Labour and weren't yet ready to make the jump to reform, hopefully in 4 years these voters will be less timid and give Reform a go
I used to have a lot of respect for Lindsay Hoyle, note the past tense.
Effectively Starmer used the Speaker of the house to prevent him being asked embarrassing questions about what he knew and when whilst spreading discontent across the nation with his devisive rhetoric.
A London budget. No empathy or understanding of rural living. The importance of public transport being one example. Farming another. Distressing for so many and for the country as a whole.
These Labour politicians make me feel physically sick & I’m worried sick! At almost 66 yrs old I will definitely have to sell my home of 26 yrs to live with my family. My husband died in 2020 & I’m obviously widowed & unfortunately unwell, none of this will help me along with all fellow citizens of Britain who have worked all their lives, sad 😔
If only we could bring back Betty Boothroyd……she would have had this sorted
Milliband always reminds me of one of the old hens from the Chicken Run film😂😂😂
Hoyle is a traitor and most certainly not impartial as his role requires .......
Hoyle again protecting 2tier kier and cooper..disgusting
Sack him. Protecting the Labour party from being banged to rights for a coverup.
Lies, Lies and more Lies.
The problem is that two tier kier and the rest of the liebour government never answer the questions
Those our MPs are elected by us and not to be gaged by the speaker or the whips.
Well THEY CERTAINLY CANT HIDE WHAT A MURDERER OF CHILDREN DID . AND planned more..now being fed and kept warm by the people who's children they killed...ANGER HAS GONE NOW ITS PURE HATE..
The problem with Peter is he’s always right and everyone else should just agree , he is the purest example of a bigot.
Starmer Putin Navalny, we know where its all going with this PM
Who is controlling Starmer I want to know
New Labour Tax . We will Tax the Truth .
Innocent how can someone cought red handed and on camera be Innocent .
Jeeees!!!
Labour Labour Labour Labour Labour Labour Linsay Hoyle Bars MPs From Discussion Southport Case.
Next we will be arrested for thinking about the suspect.
MPs should talk about the case after the trial........plenty of scope to have a go at the government and to talk about the other people quickly locked up after the Southport event.
Its for the benefit of the WEF starmers master
Im a great admirer of Hitchens but here I do believe with this labour gov it does set a dangerous precedent in motion for so much more that the gov will bring in. If it is not challenged by mp’s it will become normal… just as normal as machetes in the street
Burcow, Hoyle, does anyone spot a similarity?
No mention of the budgetting for immigration yesterday - strange that, isn't it?
I used respect Peter Hitchens ... not after this coward interview
Well that can be expected from Mr Speaker of the house he is a labour MP after all that’s his impartiality gone to the wall bound to stick up for his own party Order Order
Ed Milliband looking as bewildered as ever . Net zero in-between his ears .😅
I’m with Mike in this one
Fortunately Hoyle can’t stop us communicating
The whole point of this scandalous situation is that Starmer and Cooper basically denied this was an Islamist problem and verbally attacked the British people with spiteful hate for suggesting that's what it could be. Starmer even going as far to say they were protecting the Muslim community whilst 3 innocent young lives have been taken, he is an utter disgrace !
This is proper informative discussion. Don’t agree with either of these two on many issues but great stuff
If we add "far right" to his charge sheet we'd be able talk about this case by next week
Good, polite discussion from two people with opposite views on a topic. Why is it so rare for this to happen?