Chengdu J7 - Superior To The Mig-21 - A War Thunder Guide
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- The Chengdu J7 is the top of the Chinese tech tree. It's power and acceleration are superior to the Mig-21. Here's a couple games to guide you through one of the top jets in War Thunder
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This time its a tutorial. First match is just demonstrating typical gameplay. Second match goes into defensive flying... Enjoy folks. Don't forget to go check out Rogue's music! ua-cam.com/video/hF0jcC-uG_w/v-deo.html
WhooptieDo Can you fly a CL.13B some time? Or an F-100D and T-2K with revised FM, would be great to see that.
Whats the intro song?
Nvm I didn't see that there also the person that had me start watching you whooptiedo was was one of the guys that had a couple of duel with you and he is teaching me how to duel rn his name ingame is saftOman
Do you still love this plane today?
You all probably dont give a shit but does someone know a tool to log back into an instagram account..?
I was stupid forgot the login password. I appreciate any tips you can offer me!
MiG-21: a Honda Civic
J-7II: a Ferrari
**Improved Honda Civic can be a Ferrari**
:thinking_hard:
*gaijin logic.jpg*
In theory, yes
Gewel ✔ not possible even in theory, ask ChrisFix about that haha
Just put a 2jz engine in it with a big ass turbo
don't forget anti-lag
note to self: 'when facing whooptie in a mig 21, stay low, slow and close to him.'
note to self: ‘when facing Whooptiedo...accept your fate mortal’
@@8492nd too far dude.
I find it just hilarious that russia gets something and then like another country will get the same plane but better and just outclasses the original
Lol I find it hilarious when the USA is supposed to get one of the best performing AIR SUPERIORITY FIGHTERS in Vietnam and gaijin pulls a load of bullshit out of their ass for Russia and other nations to once again take a giant dump on them.
Kenny Bewley I literally want to slam the boney clammy Russian guy from the old announcements aka excuses videos from Gaijin...right through a table onto cement for ruining a game with so much potential
You mean F-5, MiG-19S and this one? lmao
@@kennybewley2191 Well it's more of an Interceptor that's meant to carry a lot of missiles to shoot down bombers. But gaijin added the Phantom without its main armament(aim-7s), and given gunpod/s that's not properly adjusted for air-to-air combat. and some performance nerfs because gaijin
Yeah its dumb as fuck considering by the time China had the J7 the Soviets had already got up to the MiG-21 BIS variant
Anotha 21:9 brotha, the hopeless 16:9 sheeps will never understand what they can't understans
Ultrawide masterrace! 😃😃
J7 looks so awesome cant wait to unlock it and ace it
It's a blast!
I stand happily corrected about my comment previously about the J-7 having effectively the same power as the 21 due to the weight difference.
Great vid man
I was hoping it was true. I do the side by sides later this week
If it makes you feel better, J7 is based on a better MiG-21 then what was given to USSR currently.
That Kharon dude is in my squadron, allthought I did not join untill 4 months ago
Woah, this has 2 30s?
One learns something everyday
However, if you were to think about the future of the tree? Would you choose the Chinese or the Russian tree?
Hard to say, Russians will probably get Mig-21 Bis... and I have a feeling that will be better than J7. Chinese will always be the copycats, so I can't say that either would be worse than the other though.
Great video mate
'Bis' is pronounced simply as 'bee', not 'biss' - it's referring the the Russian 'Б' letter when spoken phonetically. Just FYI
Fuck me pretty, God I miss war thunder
Nice vid dad
Hi Whooptie, nice video. What is your faavourite superssonic jet ?
2:01
You say that, but these eyes o' mine done seen some things.
I've seen a ju87 kill an f100
Nice video, just wondering how long do you have on afterburner until the engine overheats?
Its more dependent on altitude. On the deck, couple minutes. At altitude you can almost indefinitely burn, but your fuel wont last long.
ugh the mach cloud is horrendous. There seriously needs to be an option to turn it off or at least deactivate for your own plane. And I'm with you on the low speed right in front of me missing all the shots. That f5 cut in was nasty oooh
They at least made it a little less annoying recently. I can appreciate that... But still mildly annoying.
thx bro, u make me feel confident on j7 just when i thought it was a bullshit which cannot even beat a pretier j6/mig19, but the thing is, how do u get out of hunter mk6? like how could u deal with those 20g overload missles??? my 10 times free repair went so fast, which is, never happened, and usually beat by t2, hunter mk6 and f4c, but mig19s was like jesus...unless i am in 1200+, never able to escape when mnvr...well done 4 the video btw, even Chinese players cannot fly j7 really well and u made it, congratulations.
Thanks bud. In general I don't have to deal with hunters because I stay fast, and away from them. Situational awareness keeps me safe. I don't think I ever really had to encounter on because most people know to kill that thing asap. You can definitely park on its ass though, it will not be able to shake you. Just don't overshoot.
Are you also in INVA or was Passionfix just a random squaddie?
Just someone I squaded with. Good dude.
1 more plane and im researching my first jet i chose sweeden is it a good idea?
J21RA is a pretty good jet. I enjoy it. J29A can be painful, but the D or F will be a bit of an upgrade when you get them
and yet the same br :( mig21 is a very hard plane to fly
#truth. Now I have to suffer for a day or two flying it cuz content things
@@WhooptieDo spaded it's not actually that bad. But it's definitely not a plane for a single-man clutch. The gun is atrocious. Missiles aren't awesome too.
Glad to see china gets a way more powerful version
A perfect vid as ever!
thanks!
Honestly sick of Gaijin adding a better version for a different country. Just add an equivalent. I don't understand it.
probably to bait players into grinding that nation, and ultimately spending more money
1:27 Was it at least like a turbo Civic?
Naturally aspirated for sure.
pretty fun , but its kinda shit how they are more atracted to flares than r60s now.... oh this aint j7e srry xd
10:21 I came
hell i get those almost every game lmao
Chinese lisenced mig 21 somehow better?
Old video but better than the Mig21 F13
Not only that but the mig 21 only gets like 1 gun
Will compare in another video.
Lol superior to the Mig-21..... most of these planes are the last I kill and when I do they don't even see it coming......
I always see these floating around the ground just above 1k mtrs nothing that a R-60 wont solve.
This video was made months before the MF and SMT with R60s came out, FYI
@@WhooptieDo ahh true Whooptie its a bit of a different story now though
And now this plane is completely dead at top tier
nice intro
thank you
Hiii sisterss
?? lol
yeet
He is cocky
just fly it in dcs
Second comment, feels good hah
You ALMOST made it! lol
WhooptieDo *Whoa, so close*
"MiG-21 is the weakest top tier"
*rUsSiA suFfErS*
“He-162 is bad”
*GeRmAnY ToP tIeR suFfErS*
Why, they have 3 rank VI
Errr, worst MiG-17, worst MiG-19 and a worst MiG-21
Errrr........
@WorldUnited just luck xD
Glad I got the Chinese tree and didn’t grind the Russian tree.
You regret that statement now.
Succulent Ravioli oh hey ravioli didn’t think I’d find you in yt
@@alol441 oh hey, are you from the discord?
Succulent Ravioli yeah, are you liking all the comments?
@@alol441 yes, I love myself
Earlier, me and my friend (KingofGoblins) came to your aid when an F4 was tailing you. You two baited him into a climb where I finished him off then I was promptly lagged into the ground.
Apart from being Gaijined, it was a pleasure flying with you :)
Gotta love these servers right now! It's insane! GG bud
WhooptieDo gg :)
1:38 do you realize what could've happened of all things ? Lol
Well, I was tracking him. Tbh I cussed because I missed lmao.
Great video. Those tips at the end seem very applicable to the Russian Mig 21 too. I wish you'd done the Russian one first though, as only wallet warriors flying Samsung F5's, and UA-camrs have the J7 so early
When I finally flew the Mig21, I was so disappointed. I couldn't do it first, plus I hadn't uploaded much. I put it off for too long
WhooptieDo same. For those of us who don't have the Chinese tree unlocked, the MiG21 is a nice plane for looking at in the hangar :D
@@viano9541 it will come soon. I just don't have alot of good things to say about it so far. Need more games in it
I have a lot of fun in the mig 21 to be honest. Not easy to get kills but it's probably the weirdest, most interesting, and challenging plane of 1.91. My best kills is 4 in a game, but my favorite match was me alone defensive flying against 6 enemies for a solid 5 minutes before an SRAAM finally got me
@@theraindog4269 sounds about right. Been my experience as well, and I don't consider that fun lol. I've only managed 3 kills before running out of ammo though, but I only have like 6 games in it.
Just not enjoyable.
I really like the captions that tell us what you're doing/thinking, it's really helpful. (4:17, 5:28, etc..)
Thanks bud.
@@WhooptieDo You helped me fly the German MiG-15 because of the way that you describe your actions. Simply put - KEEP YOUR ENERGY!
I have fun with it even though I make very little money in my sessions with it.
Thank you.
I’d rather face a phantom with 3 gun pods in my Sabre than the new J7, it’s scary how easy it can stick to my tail
For sure!
the f4 can stick to your tail too :D dont underesteminate that monster
Perhaps... but every time one tries to get on my tail I hook left or right and dive under its guns and if he tried to air break to keep up with me he makes himself a sitting duck
@@PflanzenChirurg only time an F4 can stick to your tail is when they're low on fuel. Otherwise they're just airbraking to open distance for the shot.
I love how that is now the J-7 Theme!
Haha seemed appropriate!
Mig21 R-60 Missiles: *Am I a joke to you?*
Yeah right, the Mig21 MF, SMT, bis are better than the j7 expect the Mig21F-13 that is worse. The j7 has just 2 simple missiles the SMT, MF and bis have 4 or 6 R60s, which are way better, the bis has flares. So go for the Russians if you want a mig21, if you want the F104 go for the Chinese because you'll have a mig21 ( j7 ) and 2 F-104.
That Stall out kill on F4 was awsome. Great vid man!
thanks dude
i like the intro
thank you :)
fire video bro
thank you!
i hope they buff f4
how about de-nerf the F4..
buff MiG-21 or change the model completely
The F4 needs no flight performance buff the cannon just needs to actually align with the gun reticle and not shoot low
F-4 is still nerfed, look at its climbrate ingame and in reallife, there is a big difference
If they buff the F4 more than it is right now, it will be completely untouchable and kill the balance of the game. It's honestly not that bad, I just wish it could pull a little better, oh yeah and gun alignment.
God, when were you when i needed you most
For ages i never knew your channel exsisted, a person who ACTUALLY teaches
You are the best war thnder youtuber, Thank you
Oh great, a new video.. Well whooptie doo..
mmboi
Dardyone hey cutie
@@viano9541 Oh it's you, we were in voice when this was posted and someone sent a meme that made me think of you, let me send you it on discord!
Dardyone my phone has bad storage space so I don't have discord downloaded :( Will be able to check in a few hours tho
🔻MiG 21 guide:
J7 > MiG 21 F-13
The J7 is equal to a MiG 21 F-13 (the first MiG 21) but has *better engine* , *better guns* and *ammo capacity*
J7 < MiG 21 SMT
The SMT has *better engine* and *acceleration* , has *lot more fuel* (you can see the big fuel tank on the plane), The SMT comes also with R60 very powerful Air to Air missiles.
J7 < MiG 21 bis
The bis is slightly better in *engine* and *equipment* , it has R60 missiles and a good *radar*
J7 < ➕MiG 21 MF
The MF (the German one) has no RWR even if in real life it has, but Gaijin is a Russian company so they make Germany suffer a lot. The MF has better *missiles*
🔺Conclusion:
Go for the Russian tech tree, better engines, missiles, radars...ect. And also think that Russia and USA, in the future, will become the nations with most new aircrafts like F35 and mig29.
Props can’t be targeted with rockets or can be but very up close where you really can’t be sure you’ll live if you lounch it, they can outturn you and when stalled outspeed you but I mean just enough to kill you... I got 4 kills with a BF109 K4 just for fun... it’s kinda fun to bring props in a jet game because top tier is depressing... 😏
Does anyone else struggle with aiming at top tier air rb? Can’t hit shit in either the F-4C or the F-100D. I usually play Air Arcade because of this, but the F-4 doesn’t struggle as much in realistic because its missile-reliant, so I’m trying to learn
J7 will be better then the MiG-21 at least till gaijin adds the MiG-21BIS/UM. Only reason J-7 is better is cause its based on a newer model then the one the USSR was given.
That vertical reminded me of the English Electric Lightning
Yea i love this thing!
hell yes!
Me: just cruising in my f4
Mig19s: "how dare you challenge me!"
Me: F**K OFF!
Shooting slow is weird in the j7. generally if your slow and theyre slow, dont lead, like at all.
Made in China
I agree, people just getting into Sabers shouldn’t have to face supersonics. I have been dealing with this as I have just gotten my first saber. Then there is also the rest of the subsonics as well.
its painful for them.
So it's basically a mig21f with a second gun no?
Ok my br changes plz comment if you think yes or no
F-86A5: 8.7
F-86F25/35/2: stay 9.0
F-100: 10.0
F-4: 11.0
MIG-15: stay 8.7
MIG-17: 9.0
MIG-19: 10.0
MIG-21: 11.0
German MIG-19: 10.0
CL variants: 9.0
Hunter F1: 9.0
Hunter F6: 9.3
Japanese sabres: 9.0
T-2: 10.7
G91 variants: 9.0
Super mystere: 9.3
Vautors: 9.0
A5 definitely no. It can stay at 9.0
Generalizing, but all top tier supersonics need to be 10.3 right now. F100 could stay at 10.0, but probably should go up as well. I'll put together my thoughts later this week.
Now that I think about it yea the A-5 should stay 9.0 and I recon all SuperSonics should go anywhere from 10.3 and up but yea
one of your best videos imo
thanks bud
No realistic fly in this game at all...ffs
I hate props in jets match’s with a passion
2:51 Why is this even still allowed. People are still ruining the matchmaker with props.
not only allowed, but encouraged!
Had to check my discord at 18:02 lmao
Aaaaaannnnnd there's the video I was waiting for. Thanks for the info as always, dude. And now I realllllly want the J-7II.
Gaijin really wants you to have it too! They can't wait for you to spend some GE on it lol
@@WhooptieDo Ugh, chill Whooptie. It's bad enough that I need to spend 50 bucks for the F5 to grind out the tree, when I *know* you're loaded with gold
.😑👍
hi im new to the jet i need some help
15:00 sounds like those guy are 1 team in real life, one down the other run for life cause they fucked up 3 try already. lol
very possible! I never checked
Is german Mig better?...
And he ain’t good in a j711
Starting researching rank 4 China planes today. Omw to d j7. U don't c many around yet. The grind is time consuming going through d whole China tree. Bout broke my joystick flting AB lol.
why are you using joystick on AB
@@GewelReal i fly with it all the time. I 've always played aircraft games with sticks. Its really no problem in rb and even higher tier ab. But getting past those tier 1 biplanes was rough lol. Felt like my stick was Gona snap in half.
Now I understand your shity flying...loser 😂😂😂
The J7 suck in real life in my country airforce they call it the flying coffin it's worse then the mig 21
Reliability issues?
@@WhooptieDo yes, we had over 60 of them in 1999 now fewer than 20 left
Gaijin better had the mig 21 bis next update because lots of ppl are gona be mad
I'm not sure the bis will be that much better, it still has a single gun and that's half its issue. We shall see...
F-4C climbrate:
Ingame: 172m/s
Reallife: 210m/s
Me: Gaijin, u are still worse than EA
you cant say that whooptie bout props my friend brought his 109 g-6 to 10.0 got 2 kills head on
So he won two kills to incompetent players. Every player who brings in a prop into a jet match sprays in a head on, in desperation. Taking them head on isn't the brightest move. Sorry buddy but my point still stands. Gaijin encourages this crap with their thunder show.... But the reality is match is already over by the time the prop even gets into the battle.
@@WhooptieDo it was just a joke he got lucky ik
Lol alright. I never know these days.
killed 2 mig 15s with ju 87
That's just disgusting lol
Nice video and you right of compere j7 vs mig 21
I'll get a little deeper into it soon. Thanks bud
Good gameplay, that strafe was a dick move tho
Why is it a dick move? No one forced him to land. His pilot was alive... He didn't receive a death for it. And on top of that, why should I give courtesy to someone who I guarantee wouldn't give it back?
Moral of the story, don't land. Thanks though. 😊
The Joke is Russia already had the MiG-21 BIS by the time China got this J7...fucking gaijin
Seems legit 🤔
@@WhooptieDo do you really think they'd hand off their top fighter of the time without having already created several replacements...?
Can you make a video about targeted jets? It is extremely difficult for me to aim at jets.
Woah I like your narration... subbed.. looking forward to next videos.
I got the shenyang f 5 2 days ago and I’m already at tier 4, can’t wait to get the J7!
How can you still have the vapor cloud between .95 and 1.05 mach ? nvm.
Which Mig 21 . F13, SMT, of MF
To fly?
SMT is the best imo
As an F-4 guy i flinch everytime i see one of these things on my six. MiG-19s? A pain but they can be dodged. But if a 21 wants you? If you can't burn away it's gonna get you. Wish I could poke them with a Sparrow from 8km out.
You're also much faster than the 19S. J7 is quite scary!
Mig 21 copy
Nope.
F4-C is for me the top dog, it can turn pretty decent and it cant stall with its engine except in the vertical :D
I've been running around 'lead sledding' with it and it's definitely a blast, but in a defensive situation I'd definitely take my J7! Offensive the Phantom owns it all day for sure.
Another brilliant video. Love these videos with accurate, useful information, and beautiful gameplay footage applying said information. Very slick overall presentation, easily the best from a War Thunder UA-camr. Looking forward to getting my J-7, it seems to be the best jet besides the MiG-19s to me.
Thanks for the kind words bud.
How does it compare to the T2?
damn you whooptie..as always my fav part of your vid is the first 60s of epicness intro.....gj as always my dude
Ty sir!
Very useful! Thanks!
yeah i have a question, why are you talking about Migs, Super Saber and Phantom but not even once mention how this thing stack s up with T-2 ... you know another plane that can go supersonic on the deck ...
I knew I forgot something. I was gonna put that in there, I promise. All you really need to do against the T2 is bleed it of speed. It's a slight bit better this patch, but it still can't pull the Gs the J7 can... Once the T2 is slow, it becomes a whale and is fairly easy to ignore, or fight.
@@WhooptieDo well im more in the camp of what i need to do in T2 against it xD considering im about 100k RP away from finally unlocking it :)
I think DEFYN talked about the T-2
I run 400 convergence it helps with the close shots but can still hit at 1km out. Nice video though man
small difference, that doesn't really matter much in the end since they're nose mounted. Only thing that will really affect them is vertical, which is not recommended
and thank you!
What’s your opinion on the t2 right now ?
I flew it for once last night and surprisingly its better. I'm going to do a vid on it I think. It's not THAT good, but kinda like a discount Mig21
WhooptieDo rip speed is better than 1300 though
@@lucaspapperitz I'll test it out. I was never a fan of the plane. The gun is so meh, and previously it's performance was shit. Performance is much better now but gun is still meh to me.
WhooptieDo I feel like it was buffed too or its because I switched to ground belts but I know what you are talking about
WhooptieDo Anny way love your vids
Man you have the best War Thunder channel for sure, could you please please please play some 9.0+ Sim. It’s so much more immersive and skillful compared to “realistic” where migs are fighting migs and U.S planes fighting U.S. I play on PS4 and still do very well and have sooo much fun
I want to get into sim, just need the rudder pedals. *fires up **Amazon.com*
WhooptieDo (in epic voice) nooow you’ll see what your foxes can do, the mig vs phantom rivalry is real. May the G forces be with you o7
Haha. For sure. Man, these damn rudder pedals are expensive!
WhooptieDo buy a controller instead lol prepare to be re-addicted to WT, see you up there... or at least my foxes will if you go commie
always ur vedio help me alot . u do great job m8
thanks bud