Harsha is talking very real......he is a genuine systematic trader....I am saying it from my own experience..... Out of 6 trades in a day, if you lose 1% in 5 trades and make 10% in one trade....then you will make the same curve that he is talking about....because some days you wont get 10% reward tardes and it will bring drawdown....but eventually it will make you stay in game in longer run and will grow you....
This was best podcast. Discretionary trader's path is very difficult. He has to be fully aware of the on going events. Its difficult to judge the sentiment of market. Discretionary trade are one who are walking on sword. Systematic trader is like you work hard once and you build one business for you. After you automatic it, now you just need to monitor it.
For me 1 sl part of the trading 2 find setup 3 plan entry and exit 4 don’t break rules Don’t think about profit Just protect capital 1 st … Trading is not easy money …. ❤
Praful bhai bhut sahi bol rhe h agr ek chiz me tumhe 5-6 baar loss ho to tumhe usko check krna chiye ya fir choor dena chiye....or bhai ke gut ka mtlb h ki tumhe charts ki understanding bhut high level ki ho gyi h like when we trade breakout stocks on 1st five minutes....or ye me bhi bolta hu ki 4-5 baar ek hi chiz dekh kr ek ache experienced trader ko samaj aa jayegi.....jo dith hoga bo dyan ni dega but at last he should leave the seen.... perfect example is written down data of your live or forward tested trades
Both are different kind of traders, they both have thier own strategy. Option buyer must not follow the sellers strategy if want to become profitable. Most of the buyers adopt sellers strategy. That's the reason why 90% of options buyers are loss making traders... Make a system and trade as per your system, dont sit with your position for long if you are in loss and hopping that market will give you a chance to get out in profit.. Afterall its depends on your luck just like Harsh😅
Hamare husband ka 24 yrs old setup hai jisme unhone kabhi koi change nahi kiya aur wo vaise hi aaj bhi kaam kar raha hai, jaise pehle karta tha. he follow their system mechanically .
Bhai same I m also doing in Bank nifty with systematic trading. Mai 1st 15 min candle create hone deta hun. And jis side pr break karega uske sath jata hun with 15% stop loss and 30% target.
Sir suppose 15 mins breakout , after 15 mins say 10. Am reversal direction, then u stop trading bcoz ur conviction over ur direction is not market is going..system trading is tough for me to understand sir..
All of trading is a game of probability, even discretionary is a game of probability, am I right? Think about it. Here is the equation: ``` Average Profit That You will Earn per Trade = Avg. Prob. of Winning per Trade * Avg. Profit per Trade - Avg. Prob. of Losing per Trade * Avg. Loss per Trade ``` ^ This is the one statistical equation used by large fund managers that determines your average profit per trade irrespective of what type of trading you do. Any strategy that gives a positive "Average Profit per Trade" would make you automatically profitable over a very large number of trades, irrespective of whether the strategy is discretionary or systematic.
Good content. Its helpful for me to develop my psychology. I am on the way to find myself. Changing our patterns and thought process is tough. Keep posting contents on trading psychology. Thanks.
Systematic trading is the best because your portfolio will be disciplined. Whether you make an indicator yourself like me or learnt price action trading or the smart money concepts, you atleast know what yuo are doing than blindly putting money by hearing other people.
Sir, I am trading chart plan with the help of simulater to change muscle and subconscious memory regarding trade....... Above discussion is excellent.....and helpful to me... Thanku
In a very simple words, systematic trading is placing the orders without manual intervention and its based on the predefined rules. All these rules created based on the discretionary trading.
Skill doesnt always needs to be required to be explained in words, no if and buts. Some people have eyes developed for price action that can't be explained but works
यह बात एकदम रियल है कि आप एक चीज को लेकर चलो फिक्स स्टॉप लॉस लगा दो फिर चलने दो रोज यह काम करते रहो आपको 12 महीने में आपका पैसा डबल हो जाएगा यह एकदम राइट बात है एकदम एक्यूरेट बात है मैं भी इस पर काम कर रहा हूं
In this brodcost it is observed that option buyer are working as option sellers since options sellers having edge hence option buyers are getting losses
sir, (please complete it's)I want to collab with you and your teams. I am 18 years old, we have market charts experience no any,indicator,no laptop no idea about option chain, no trade real money. We have 2-3 years of experience only chat work. We have complete knowledge about charts and its physiology and more deeply knowledge about it ➖*I am always focused on how the chats works * If you are not satisfied with reate no experience real money with trade, emotions control and much more on you mind than repeat I say . *Major point* ➖I am focusing how chats works, physiology work. Not how to make par day 100 % of my capital.
Sir , tell me one thing market is the participation of the traders , if everyone becomes systematic , then how the trade will execute , everyone is waiting for something to happen.
Strong BUY. Still early innings. NVIDIA is the dominant leader in AI and the preferred technology partner globally. Even w new competition on the horizon, NVIDIA is far ahead of the competition. 85% market share. 76% margin. Unrivaled demand for new Blackwell chip. Demand far exceeds production for Blackwell through to 2025 and beyond. No competitor has anything close to Blackwell. And forward P/E is about 33 (cheap for a high growth stock). Buy this stock and wait. You will be rewarded.
Problem is that NVDA is addicted to the datacenter, their mobile offerings are terrible. Inference needs to happen at the edge (mobile) and training will not have the same amount of demand as time goes on. NVDA is a major bet on aggregation of resources (compute) but this is cyclical as we have seen dozens of major shifts in this industry. Remember when Citrix aggregated desktops with VDI and then it imploded because VDI has a problem with latency? AI Inference in the datacenter has the same problem with latency. AAPL and Samsung are the best buys for AI now that we are transitioning from training to inference.
There is no more position success in trading.By managing every trade wisely, if even one trade is successful then the entire loss will be recovered and you will also remain in profit.
हमें तो भाई कठिन चीज पसन्द है और अपने दिमाग की। लॉस हो तो हमारा प्रोफिट हो तो हमारा, हम अपने पैसे से दूसरे के तजुर्बे को क्यों ढोयें । हमने तो एक्सपायरी मे zero हो जा ये भी तीन बार zero करके सीखा 😂 ।
Discreptionary trader need to control emotions and so he is more patience. Systematic traders no need to be control emotions, he can be agressive or how ever he wants to be, he is free. 😅
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Subhasis pani ko kab bula rhe ho sir
Unko bhi bulao kbhi
Yes power of stock Subash Pani has to come.
Subhasis Pani ko bulao sir
I think systematic trader is not able to defend himself, someone else should be part of this debate
I am doing option buying , But I am big fan of Praful kulkarni sir..
Never be fans of any one my friend only be fans of your self and always remember every one should have there own setup
@@shreenadar4214👍👌
Why
Harsha is talking very real......he is a genuine systematic trader....I am saying it from my own experience..... Out of 6 trades in a day, if you lose 1% in 5 trades and make 10% in one trade....then you will make the same curve that he is talking about....because some days you wont get 10% reward tardes and it will bring drawdown....but eventually it will make you stay in game in longer run and will grow you....
This was best podcast. Discretionary trader's path is very difficult. He has to be fully aware of the on going events. Its difficult to judge the sentiment of market. Discretionary trade are one who are walking on sword.
Systematic trader is like you work hard once and you build one business for you. After you automatic it, now you just need to monitor it.
true this podcast is really natural conversation . sir ye a6achaa laga .
Make such videos more rather than exposing finfluencers this is more interesting n informative
For me
1 sl part of the trading
2 find setup
3 plan entry and exit
4 don’t break rules
Don’t think about profit
Just protect capital 1 st …
Trading is not easy money …. ❤
Harsha was one of the best podcasts you had done on this channel and i have watched that podcast multiple times.
Praful is another amazing trader.
Praful bhai bhut sahi bol rhe h agr ek chiz me tumhe 5-6 baar loss ho to tumhe usko check krna chiye ya fir choor dena chiye....or bhai ke gut ka mtlb h ki tumhe charts ki understanding bhut high level ki ho gyi h like when we trade breakout stocks on 1st five minutes....or ye me bhi bolta hu ki 4-5 baar ek hi chiz dekh kr ek ache experienced trader ko samaj aa jayegi.....jo dith hoga bo dyan ni dega but at last he should leave the seen.... perfect example is written down data of your live or forward tested trades
Perfect line last wala Aseem bhai…. Maza aaya 👍
One of the best broadcast in my life matlab trading journey
Both are different kind of traders, they both have thier own strategy. Option buyer must not follow the sellers strategy if want to become profitable. Most of the buyers adopt sellers strategy. That's the reason why 90% of options buyers are loss making traders...
Make a system and trade as per your system, dont sit with your position for long if you are in loss and hopping that market will give you a chance to get out in profit..
Afterall its depends on your luck just like Harsh😅
मुझे आज पता चला की डबल टैब करने से कमेंट्स भी लाइक होते है करके देखो तो❤❤❤🎉
😂😂😂
@@Traderzone501 hii
Maine waps le lia apna like😊
@@Veerendra_750 are yarr
Bas jindagi mein abhi yahi karana baki tha. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Thanks for a very hearty episode . My best wishes to everyone.
Great HARSHAVARDHAN keep it up....
Awesome debate, salute to both traders and Asim bhai🏅
Muje nhi pata itne kaam view kyu hai ise per but believe me i have 1.8 years experience in trading and this thing is reaaly gem for systematic trader
Great effort brother,your contribution always remembered❤❤
Praful bhai is very right ❤.... thats the way Trader mindset should be..or muje ye lgta h ki mindset same hona chiye atlast
System trading like calculated Busines
Discretionary Trading like Freelancer
Paysa dono ma mai
Right now iam in a live market, but instead of focusing on my setup iam getting deep on their conversation.... Lovely
Hamare husband ka 24 yrs old setup hai jisme unhone kabhi koi change nahi kiya aur wo vaise hi aaj bhi kaam kar raha hai, jaise pehle karta tha. he follow their system mechanically .
Madam vo satagie ek hi use krte hai ?
Best video sir I seen in your videos I see more than 50 video of your UA-cam channel
Great one sir! , keep bringing these legends.
Outstanding conversation
Bhai same I m also doing in Bank nifty with systematic trading.
Mai 1st 15 min candle create hone deta hun.
And jis side pr break karega uske sath jata hun with 15% stop loss and 30% target.
Sir suppose 15 mins breakout , after 15 mins say 10. Am reversal direction, then u stop trading bcoz ur conviction over ur direction is not market is going..system trading is tough for me to understand sir..
@@suvadeepghosh4459 yes last 2 day hit my stop loss. So respect market n come next day. 1day 1 transaction. Loss or profit no problem.
Trading startegy❌psychology✅
15:49 piche table pe rakha camera hila kaise ??😂
algo
ट्रेडर की आत्मा है...
@THE_SANDYYY hmmm
Excellent discussion discretionary vs systematic❤
Systematic trading is like a game of probability with basic trading knowledge and skills.
All of trading is a game of probability, even discretionary is a game of probability, am I right? Think about it.
Here is the equation:
```
Average Profit That You will Earn per Trade = Avg. Prob. of Winning per Trade * Avg. Profit per Trade - Avg. Prob. of Losing per Trade * Avg. Loss per Trade
```
^ This is the one statistical equation used by large fund managers that determines your average profit per trade irrespective of what type of trading you do.
Any strategy that gives a positive "Average Profit per Trade" would make you automatically profitable over a very large number of trades, irrespective of whether the strategy is discretionary or systematic.
Great meaningful conversation... we need more
Please again call them on show❤
Really both are gem❤
Superb debate ❤❤❤.. I expect 100k likes but not even 1k..people follow glamour
Good content. Its helpful for me to develop my psychology. I am on the way to find myself. Changing our patterns and thought process is tough. Keep posting contents on trading psychology. Thanks.
Systematic trading is the best because your portfolio will be disciplined. Whether you make an indicator yourself like me or learnt price action trading or the smart money concepts, you atleast know what yuo are doing than blindly putting money by hearing other people.
Me too. Index investing is also system. Back testing also a good thing
Sir,
I am trading chart plan with the help of simulater to change muscle and subconscious memory regarding trade.......
Above discussion is excellent.....and helpful to me...
Thanku
The most difficult thing to do is being successful in options buying, all my respect goes for option buyers. Aajkal option selling to sab kar rahe hai
Harsha may be profitable but not defining logically. Whereas Praful is superb with clear view.
बहूत आसान और प्रोफिट वाली स्टेटर्जी सिस्टमेटिक।
In a very simple words, systematic trading is placing the orders without manual intervention and its based on the predefined rules. All these rules created based on the discretionary trading.
In this conversation what's Mr market role important or not
Wah maza aa gaya ... Very good topic
Skill doesnt always needs to be required to be explained in words, no if and buts. Some people have eyes developed for price action that can't be explained but works
Good episode. I am system trader. Jina bhi to hai k Khali market ko dekhna hai
Thank all of you 🙏
दोनो सही है| एक technology आपणाता है| एक खुद्दसे करता है| ...जब technology साथ हो तो खुद को क्यो घीसना.. लेकिन जो नही करते वो नही समज सकते..
One of the best video thank you ..,..
PRO TRADERS ka khud ka strategy 6 months se drawdown me hai.
Kyaa baat kar rahe ho sahi mein😮?
Hi-octane. Thank you for a wonderful session
Now this is called a real podcast ❤️❤️❤️
Please Upload One Edited Version Where The Left Person is Silent.
Very Confusing 😕.
Want to hear more From The Right One
hats off harshvardhan bro love you from panjab
As per experience harsha is real trader he knows trading better. Than prafull
One Chatterjee should continue doing that, you will get success, it is compulsory.
Thaks bro making this video🎉
यह बात एकदम रियल है कि आप एक चीज को लेकर चलो फिक्स स्टॉप लॉस लगा दो फिर चलने दो रोज यह काम करते रहो आपको 12 महीने में आपका पैसा डबल हो जाएगा यह एकदम राइट बात है एकदम एक्यूरेट बात है मैं भी इस पर काम कर रहा हूं
Thanks bro one of the best
Ye banda jenun hai I like this person ye sahi cheej sikha Raha hi
Jo 10 mai se 8 baar mujhe profit lake de rha hai… wo mera edge, isme saare rules aur yahi mera systematic trade ban jayega…
Big fan of harshverdan
Sir make a hustle video price action trader vs indicator base trader
In this brodcost it is observed that option buyer are working as option sellers since options sellers having edge hence option buyers are getting losses
Super session
Thank you for all you❤❤❤
In 2024 9.20 straddle given very good return that’s proof systematic trading is always an edge
Love you Sir im big fan ❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Always Frist....wait your video
sir, (please complete it's)I want to collab with you and your teams. I am 18 years old, we have market charts experience no any,indicator,no laptop no idea about option chain, no trade real money.
We have 2-3 years of experience only chat work.
We have complete knowledge about charts and its physiology and more deeply knowledge about it
➖*I am always focused on how the chats works *
If you are not satisfied with reate no experience real money with trade, emotions control and much more on you mind than repeat I say .
*Major point*
➖I am focusing how chats works, physiology work. Not how to make par day 100 % of my capital.
Nice discussion , but end of the day if you close day in Green profit then all well
Sir , tell me one thing market is the participation of the traders , if everyone becomes systematic , then how the trade will execute , everyone is waiting for something to happen.
Best❤❤❤❤❤
Perfect option buyer is a perfect option seller
But
Perfect option seller is not a perfect option buyer
Ein dono me se discipline Trader aapko kon laga mere hisab se to isme se ek hai or ek nhi hai jo aap samjhe to like kro 😂
nice information sirji
Rule based trading is best
awesome
thankyou sir
Harsha is right
Why was there a mute while 15min candle calculation??
Strong BUY. Still early innings. NVIDIA is the dominant leader in AI and the preferred technology partner globally. Even w new competition on the horizon, NVIDIA is far ahead of the competition. 85% market share. 76% margin. Unrivaled demand for new Blackwell chip. Demand far exceeds production for Blackwell through to 2025 and beyond. No competitor has anything close to Blackwell. And forward P/E is about 33 (cheap for a high growth stock). Buy this stock and wait. You will be rewarded.
Problem is that NVDA is addicted to the datacenter, their mobile offerings are terrible. Inference needs to happen at the edge (mobile) and training will not have the same amount of demand as time goes on. NVDA is a major bet on aggregation of resources (compute) but this is cyclical as we have seen dozens of major shifts in this industry. Remember when Citrix aggregated desktops with VDI and then it imploded because VDI has a problem with latency? AI Inference in the datacenter has the same problem with latency. AAPL and Samsung are the best buys for AI now that we are transitioning from training to inference.
Sir pls ans me kya losses hone par bhi ITR file karna padta hai
There is no more position success in trading.By managing every trade wisely, if even one trade is successful then the entire loss will be recovered and you will also remain in profit.
Sir how I can take training from praful kulkarni
To be honest, i am afraid to be discretionary. I am trying to be systematic.
हमें तो भाई कठिन चीज पसन्द है और अपने दिमाग की। लॉस हो तो हमारा प्रोफिट हो तो हमारा, हम अपने पैसे से दूसरे के तजुर्बे को क्यों ढोयें । हमने तो एक्सपायरी मे zero हो जा ये भी तीन बार zero करके सीखा 😂 ।
Praful is right according to me
Both are right brother, its just their approaches are different
We are all should be against Hindenburg.
At the same time govt of India should take necessary action & investigate the issue.
Aseem sir... an important question.... agr sake samne mic lga hua h toh collar mic kyu use kr rhe h???😮😮
Back up
Systematic trader is mathematically correct but discretionary trader is like ultimately at end he gets minus and he is gambler
Is there any mathematical formula to trade the options . I am searching for the formula.
Search risk reward and position sizing
Mahesh Chander kaushik sir is the God of share market
Please make a video
Praful Kulkarni = "More patience". Harshvardhan == "Aggressive"😂😂
Discreptionary trader need to control emotions and so he is more patience. Systematic traders no need to be control emotions, he can be agressive or how ever he wants to be, he is free. 😅
Both the guys didn't understand Harsha
I m enjoying the fight
SIP KARO❤
TENSION FREE RaHO!!
50:56
😇Thank you🙏
Make a portcast on genuinely trading courses
i will say only one word : thanks :
This time nothing less than JPC sir