Hunt the Front's battle to stay profitable in an expensive sport
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- Опубліковано 26 гру 2024
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I believe a few years back they might have ran into some money issues. But as far as the last 2 years they are not hurting for money. Especially since they got the Kubota sponsorship and moved back to running Capitol chassis. Because I dont care where in America you are everybody in the dirt racing scene knows Htf. If Joseph would get more aggressive and be willing to tear a car up he would do alot better. I'm not saying you should go tear a car up every week but you have to be willing to put it on the line if your going to win races. This ain't crate racing anymore. Your racing the big names now and you have to be willing to do the same thing they are willing to do. Also they need to bring in a experienced guy to be able to put setups in the car.
If you're going to do interview, can we finish it or post the link. I support you both. Thanks
The link to the full interview is in the video description. Also on the DIRTRACKR UA-cam channel, Facebook page, and podcast feed.
A set of tires should last them a long time no more than they qualify!
Gio Scelzi said it costs $12,000 a night for the sprint car
@@jyd30 ain't no way
Watch his interview with Terry McCarl on the Scelzi says show around the 49 minute mark. He says most teams have 8 engines
If HTF would do a good job of vetting folks that want to visit their shop, they might have a bit more funding. Some of those folks wanting to visit their shop and chk out their operation might be potential sponsors or $$$$$ donors. I know one such gentleman who was denied visiting their shop when he happened to be in the Pensacola area who may have done some sponsorship with them. They may have turned away a potential sponsor when they turned him away. I can assure you as a former racer and my friend as a former racer turned successful businessman, that he wasn't just wanting g to come hangout at the shop. He wanted to check y'all out and liked that y'all also seemed like a group of Christians. Vet your potential shop visitors and not be so quick to turn them away. Good things might happen then.
AJ, I’ve talked to some UA-camrs that get some strange folks that show up so I’m sure they have to be cautious. After all, we have to protect our families and our businesses. Some of these UA-camrs become like celebrities to their followers. But you’re right, some of those want to be visitors to a race shop could be potential sponsors. A little bit of vetting might be worth the effort. Racing certainly isn’t cheap! Sounds like your friend was potentially wanting to help them out.
Yep. That's them. VERY few racers are TRULY humble people. Red Farmer is an example of one who is.
The underlying question is this: Is it worth it? It’s like at the same time we’re watching a handful of DLM teams running all over the country blowing through mind boggling amounts of money, we’re also watching an ever increasing number of tracks closing their doors. Speaking from the viewpoint of a 64 year old who’s spent his entire life following short track racing, our sport is in serious trouble, and it seems like it’s in self destruct mode at times. They took a grassroots sport and killed it with money and technology. I don’t think anything will change though. The wealthy few will continue blowing constantly increasing sums of money while more and more tracks close up, until one day we’ll wake up and find that there’s no tracks left, and at that point nobody will care!
Everyone spends the same amount on racing, as much as they can :)
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His friend who helped him out was probably Bo Slay
Some of the comments here are baffling. With very few exceptions, teams are not profitable. Where sponsors come in. To offset the difference. If you want to be profitable, open up a Panera. There are no guarantees in racing that mandates every team makes money.
Win race it will help
HTF forgot why we became fans in the first place. It was fun watching a school teacher wash his late model with Tide laundry detergent, real people. The channel quickly became a big commercial with no entertainment value without much success finding the front.
$3500 a night is the average expense for a nationally touring DLM team from what I'm told. Let's say you run 80 races a year that's $280K in operating expenses after you have all the necessary equipment. Not too bad actually, especially considering the money national dlm teams race for compared to other top categories of American motorsports that have much greater expense. WoO/HL teams are probably 2x-3x that. Of course HTF is going to say they're not profitable, their whole gimmick is getting money from fans. Not hating on them for it.
They have pushed their merch hard for several years, I have no problem with that. They also have random people send them money, but I have never once heard them say "hay, send us $2000".
@kevinkelley3657 Of course they don't directly say it, but their presentation seems to be that they're low budget struggling team. Which I believe prompts fans to donate and I also believe they have a subscription model on pateron. I don't have an issue with them receiving donations from fans, credit to them for building a dedicated fan base but I do believe it's disingenuous to say you struggle for profitability when it's not hard to see how well they do in merchandise sales plus look at the sponsorship they have. Again, don't have one issue with them pushing the hell out of that merch and selling it. They also probably do better with sponsorship than many NASCAR Truck and Xfinity teams, it really wouldn't be shocking if that were true. But for HTF to say they struggle to be profitable operating a regional DLM team when it's obvious they have tremendous income from their merch and sponsorships. Come on, get real. I understand though if they said they made money it could change the perception their fans have of them.
Your $3,500 number is the cost of tires, fuel, and wear and tear on equipment. It might include entry fees and pit passes, but it definitely doesn’t include payroll for your crew, the rent or mortgage on your shop, the payment on a $500k (or more) toter, the fuel that toter burned to get to the track, the insurance bill, the cost of the cars, engines, and shocks, and so much more that it takes to field a competitive dirt late model operation. If you don’t have at least a half-million to burn each year, you are wasting your time trying to compete at the national level. The truth is operating a race team is not a profitable business. At best, only a handful of race teams make money each year. If you’re depending on a race team to feed your family and have to be profitable, you are absolutely handicapped when you’re competing against big-budget teams that spend whatever it takes to win.
@@JeffR-j8q that’s exactly what I was trying to say. Thanks for the assist there!
@@JeffR-j8q Shawn Martin of Viper Motorsports released his figures at end of last year and his average expense was $3350 a night including crew pay and logistical expenses like truck fuel. Of course running a race team is only profitable for a few. Duh. That holds true for the vast majority of businesses regardless of the industry.
Well he said they do it to pay the bill not to race and win