Apparently, the reason why they put the song over this was because the test audience thought this scene was too dark/intense but in my opinion, that’s kinda the point. While I think the final version still gets the point across, I agree they should have kept this in since it’s way more powerful hearing Kenai on the verge of tears and making the decision to tell Koda the truth.
I agree, also saying that this scene was dark and intense is abit of an understatement since Disney is known for many Dark moments in their movies. Plus if you were to compare Brother Bear to The Lion King and Bambi than it’s obvious that Koda is in the same position as Simba and Bambi. But in all fairness it would probably be best to use the same music but as an instrumental to help strengthen the scene as possible.
Well, in geral the WHOLE story is very, VERYY Dark... as for children's movie. Just like The Hunchback of Notre Dame - those are reeally Life-like stories and dark.
One thing that I truly appreciate is that when Kenai started the story by saying : « it’s kind about a bear and a man », we assume that he is going to tell the whole opening of the film : his totem of love, the fact that Koda’s mother stole his siblings ´s meal and most of all why he wanted to kill the bear to avenge his brother. But at this point, Kenai had finally learned to take his responsibilities, he doesn’t want to use the « my brother is dead » card to justify or even explain his motivations so he only said the words « I killed a bear » without trying to explain the context. He fully accept his cruel nature as the main cause of all the problems
I mean the reason he said that to Koda, because he always see Bear as a Monster,but after Koda storytellling,he realized he (Kenai) is the monster and after transform into a Bear he friends with Koda who he thought he was just an ordinary cub,but truth he was separate from his mom and Kenai is the reason their separate and worst of all kill her.
Yeah, that’s kind of what surprised me. He had already told Koda that he had an older brother who had become a spirit, because he was “killed by a b… by a monster” during the mammoth ride. But in the confession he took full accountability for his actions without giving an excuse or trying to justify it. It shows how much he’s matured since his transformation, so to say.
Ha, imagine how Phoenix (Kenai's voice actor) put so much emotion and effort in acting out this scene and finding out they covered it with a typical Phil Collins song blanket that just basically stated everything shown in it...
I would have been BEYOND pissed!! Lol This was perfect! There was no need for that stupid song overlay. If they didn't think that children can handle such a heartbreaking moment, then don't have it be a pivotal part of the movie. Koda was going to find out sooner or later (If anything, I will admit I found it impressive/kind of sad that it took Kenai so damn long to figure it out himself lol). At the very least, they could have just played the score over the dialogue and let the audience guess what Kenai was saying. Leave it to the expressions and body language of the characters. We don't need "Fill Us In Phil" to sing over perfectly good dialogue and tell us how to feel -_- B(
blipbloop Kind of explains why he didn't return for the direct-to-DVD sequel (which actually isn't half bad, despite Phoenix's replacement not having his acting talent).
What do you get when you cross an emotionally powerful scene with a SINGER that has a huge ego and too much creative control?! I'll tell you what you get! You get an ineffective one!
@@redpanda6497 True, but the emotion and the emphasis when he finally admits to Koda but more to himself that he did something so wrong that he was punished by being stripped of his humanity and made to become the very animal he hated and unjustly killed He acknowledged his wrong and felt sincere remorse for it that he confessed his crime to the child of his victim, yet Koda came to help him becuz the bond they had forged together as brothers in heart was strong enough that Koda forgave Kenai and Kenai loved Koda enough to stay a bear to do right by him by looking after him
Crazy too I think he really dug deep cuz apparently the voice actor also lost his brother around when he started working on this movie there’s no better acting then raw emotion right here.
Yeah no, this had to be why Joaquin Phoenix acted the way he did in that one interview clip; Idk the full context other than it being about the film & his role as Kenai, but if I being interviewed about a movie that cut out a performance of mine that was replaced by a pretty blasse song compared to the og scene? Yeah, I'd probably feel a bit aggravated!
This is definately better than the theatrical cut, but its still a bit odd. Koda seems to clue into Kenai killing his mother a little too abruptly. A second ago he just seemed to take the whole thing as just a story, then suddenly as Kenai says he's killed a bear it becomes real. Perhaps a short moment of genuine disbelief and clarification before putting the pieces together would've felt more natural. Otherwise, its a shame it wasn't in the finished movie because it's suprisingly well written.
It's because children know shit. They literally pick up on everything. Children aren't dumb or naive. Like some children are but Kids isn't. He's very aware of the dangers that await him as a bear. That's why he clues in so quickly.
It's funny because that short moment of disbelief and realization was added in the final movie. That's what sold the scene to me back then. You see Koda slowly put the peices together in his head after kenai told him something as vague as your mother's not coming.
@@donnellmadison5586 Yeah it's there, but the pacing is so quick and it happens whilst a song is playing in the background over the dialogue that you can't hear. In this deleted scene you're engaged in the conversation because you're hearing every word and seeing the characters react, not just a montage of moments set against a disembodied singer's voice. At the same time though, even though we see the reactions, in both versions it seems quite brief proportionally to what Koda has just learnt. I mean the story Kenai tells is pretty out there; he used to be a human, who killed a bear, that turned out to be Koda's mother, got transformed into a bear himself by his dead brother's spirit, and has spent the last day or so hanging out with him pretending to be a real bear. Felt like they could've spent just a little more time for that to sink in; even just 10 more seconds, it wouldn't need to be that much really, even a few seconds can make a hell of a lot of difference to how a scene plays out in a movie. I mean I know kids will generally accept things at face value easier than adults will, and we at least got Kenai telling Koda the story and Koda acknowledging that it sounds similar to him, buffering the transition of accepting that it IS him. It's just a difficult scene to pull off convincingly, and I don't think either version succeeded entirely for my tastes. But as far this deleted version goes, they did a decent job of it, better than what they ended up doing at least; I didn't see any benefit of replacing the conversation with a song, all I could hear is a Phil Collins song with lyrics commenting on the scene playing out, rather than just watching the scene play out.
@@donnellmadison5586 After watching it again, you're right that they do have that moment for Koda to come to the realisation in the theatrical version, but not in this deleted version. If they'd just combined the two it may've actually been perfect!
@@donnellmadison5586 Exactly. Less is more, and we are smart enough to figure out what is beaing said. And I love the way kenai says 'your mother is not coming' and Koda puts two and two together
I like the Phil Collins song, but this is what they should have done. This is absolutely heart-breaking. Pheoenix's acting is on point; you can just feel Kenai's torment. That one bit where Koda says "like a brother!" and hugs him, and the pained look on Kenai's face, and how he just spits out his confession and you can sense his remorse oh WHY DISNEY. This could have been a Lion King moment, like when Kenai finds out the truth himself, but you added ALL THE CHEESE. I love Brother Bear, I personally find it very underrated and it's one of my favourite Disney movies - heck, one of my favourite animated films! It may not be as strong as BatB or TLK, it is flawed in parts, but it's so beautiful and funny, with gorgeous animation and a lovely message. However, they should have kept this scene Phil free!
+GingerWizzard1994 People will probably roast me alive for saying so, but I like it _so much_ better than Beauty and the Beast. BatB was so polished that it felt almost emotionless. I didn't really believe the romance - it moved much too fast. It really works as an adaptation of a fairy-tale - it _feels_ like a fairy-tale, but it doesn't inspire genuine emotion in me like Brother Bear did.
I have to agree with the sentiment that they should've kept this in. When I first saw this, I thought they would just have music playing in the background, but the music nearly drowned out the emotion of the scene. While the story is one we know by this point because of the realization Kenai has earlier (which was a very powerful scene). It is more important to see how Kenai tells the story to Koda so that the audience can understand where they both are emotionally. If I'm being perfectly honest, I wouldn't mind a Brother Bear remake, this movie is almost perfect. If they want to they could try live action, but I think this kind of story is best suited for animation.
WOW! IM 27 YRS OLD & THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IM HEARING THE ACTUAL DIALOGUE THE SONG IN THE FILM DROWNS OUT! DEFINITELY SHOULD’VE KEPT THIS IN! We’re the same kids that survived Mufasa’s death, we could’ve survived hearing Kenai’s confession to Koda. Also, bravo to Joaquin Phoenix! He did a phenomenal job as Kenai, but the voice acting here is immaculate! He literally sounds tormented coming to the realization that he did in fact do something wrong & now he has to break that horror to Koda. Just bravo!
I love this deleted scene and it fills in the gap in that scene. But I feel the scene they went with was equally powerful. Not because of the song or what they were saying, but because of the face expression. I mean go back and watch the scene they went with again. Look at how torn up Kenai is. Look at Koda's expression when he's figuring out what Kenai is saying. Look at the way he climbs up on the tree and just breaks down sobbing. For me it was more heartbreaking BECAUSE we didn't know what they were saying. We had to look at the facial expressions. It's show, don't tell in that version. But both these scenes are meant to be heartbreaking and for the most part they both do just that.
Pariswirl Lily True. I think that leaving the dialogue up to your imagination is more powerful (although we know what it's about). And making you only hear Kenai's "I did something very wrong" is all you need.
Ryan Blanche Agreed. The first time I watched it, it never really bothered me that much and I also kinda allowed for myself to leave it up to my imagination in terms of how the confession probably went. Granted, I do love this version as well, but I'm fine with either one.
I like the final version of this scene better, it doesn’t have the storytelling because we already know what happened, and leaves it up to the imagination, plus the Phil Collins song. But this is so great too. Joaquin put a lot of emotion into it, and either way it still would’ve made audiences cry like the final version.
After hearing this story... I completely don´t understand why they didn´t keep it in the movie. It has so much more heart, so much more feelings about the whole thing that happened then Phil Collins with the song No Way Out. Maybe they could have put the song right after it, when Koda leaves and it Kenai would try to catch him ... I mean we know what happened so it is true that we don´t need to hear it, but it builded so much more into the characters and honestly it did gave me tears to hear it like this. I didn´t hated the song for being there but after seeing this... yeah I think they should have kept it in the movie. It would have been more also for adults and the movie would benefit more from its own message. So I think it was a really dumb decision to throw it out. As for the movie - I still really like it.
Well said, I couldn't said it better myself. I don't hate the final "No Way Out" scene, but I think the song should have played right after the confession scene. Well, I guess this dialogue is what Kenai told Koda in the final scene, but I think the scene should have played itself.
However, Kenai didn't really explain to Koda what happened in detail. He just told him some tstory about a man turned into a bear and received help from a younger cub learning how to adapt and killed a bear. He never specifically mentioned that HE was the bear, nor did Koda appear to realize that, and he also never mentioned that the bear he called was Koda's mother.
To be honest, I don't think they've should've changed this scene. I think they've should've kept it in as it was. Though I don't detest the final execution, because having a song playing over the scene makes it intriguing. But it was also somewhat contrived to have a song over the scene as well.
as someone who thinks the final cut of this scene was amazing...yeah, this is better. i won't even try to deny it, this hit harder than the Phil Collins song.
i like this version a lot better than the one they used in the movie, this scene is fully animated they should just put it in the movie already as a bonus DVD
I’ve always wondered what Kenai was saying in this scene! Like, I knew the gist, but I wanted to know exactly HOW he told him. Such a heartbreaking scene. I wish it was in the final movie
Brendan Greene Well, I do still have high respect for Phil Collins's work, but I understand your frustration. I'd be willing to bet it wasn't Phil's decision to be singing at that moment, though. My money's on the sound director, tbh.
quite possibly disney making the call even, telling the director to slap phil collins over it to lessen the impact of the emotion of this scene perhaps. which is absurd considering brother bear doesn't shy away from concepts such as death, and murder. and even though it's a very lighthearted film, the serious moments are serious. when sitka dies. he's dead. they point that out. they don't sugar coat it. and they shouldn't have cut out this dialogue and these extended scenes and sugar coated it with phil collins either.
This was so much better. Phil Collins will always be amazing, but we needed to hear Kenai tell the truth, because this was more emotional and heart wrenching. We didn't need what was happening or what we felt explained to us in song; I am grateful for the music Phil Collins gave us in the movie, but the deleted version should've been in the movie.
Part of me is glad they covered this up with song yet the other part of me is wishing they kept it in I mean you can hear the emotion in Phoenix’s voice
This is so sad to realize that your mother is dead is probably so sad for a little bear like that it's so emotional to tell someone that their parent is dead Disney really did it with this movie and all others
I'm still bitter over the fact that they played the song over this crucial and emotional moment. The song makes the emotion seem very hammered in, whereas this deleted scene just lets it speak for itself.
I like both versions. They still do their jobs. But I like the added ‘I didn’t know.’ And yeah, we know the story already before the confession. And I think when Kenai said ‘I killed a bear’, Koda came to the conclusion a bit too fast that it was indeed his mother that he killed.
Okay the Phil Collins scene was sad but good lord this is the equivalent of tearing my heart out, stomping on it, feeding it to wolves, the throwing the heart pop in a fire and drowning the ashes in a lake.
I think this scene could have worked with the Phil Collins song, but only if they removed the words. Even though the acting is great, having someone tell you what to feel cheapens everything.
kind of a workaround... you can remember the story in your head and match most of it to kenai's paw movements when watching the movie except for when koda jumps in his lap since that doesn't happen in the finished movie (just my opinion)
Why wasn't this in the movie?! This is a hell of a lot better than Phil Collin, it tells a story and shows character development. Was it because it was too dark. Even Kids need to learn that people make mistakes.
I wish the directors used this version instead of the one with the song. This scene is so much more powerful and emotional without having "No Way Out" playing over it.
1:50 Kenai: “Koda, I did something very wrong.” Koda: “What did you do, Kenai?” Kenai: “I, I killed Three Corrupt Drunk Rich Men, My Own Egocentric Abusive Psycho Mother, a Former Friend Who Got Me Fired to Save His Own Job, and a TV Show Host.”
I think it's a great confession scene but it was definitely too dialogue heavy for a kids movie and too dark and depressing. But at least we have it in this form so we can see it. You can see how much Kenai is pained in both. The OG and No Way Out are both good confession scenes that rench on your heart strings. I love both scenes equally and I'd easily say it out beats Lion King any day, and Lion King 2 is one of my favourite films so.
I disagree with it being too heavy. Kids don’t need everything sugar coated. Like the Land Before Time for instance. It respected its younger audience and didn’t sugarcoat anything.
Just rewatched Brother Bear after over a decade and I loved it. That confession scene however felt very disjointed, being drowned out by the music and not allowing enough emotional impact. I legit was thinking "gah why would they ruin the scene like this". Looking through the extras I come to find this infinitely better version of the scene. Glad to see others think so too.
Ah, though, I really loved the song they choose for this scene. It pretty much explained it without having to hear the story. I'm glad they kept it the way it is right now.
So the dialogue definitely needed some polishing, the end to this scene is very abrupt. But boy is it FAR better than the original version we got. As good as the song was, it robs so much weight from this scene for no reason.
I actually prefer this version. I have nothing against the final scene, but I still thought it was somewhat conrtived to have a song during such an emotional scene. So I prefer this version.
They definitely should’ve left this in the final cut and then have the song play out after Kenai tries and fails to find Koda to let the emotions sink in further.
When Kenai said.. It's partly about a man and partly about a bear.. but mostly it's about a monster.. he wasn't referring to Koda's mother. He was referring to himself. A man who had let his anger get the better of him and through this, he took his anger out on an innocent bear who was not to blame. He killed an innocent who'd done no wrong. And for that he was punished by Sitka and the spirits. We became a bear for that reason.
Phoenix just won an Oscar well deserved that is and I think the reason they didn’t want this scene is because it was to powerful with emotion they didn’t deserve it
Man...this is tricky because there are faults and strengths in this. In the movie, Koda stops and listens, and we see him think about what Kenai is telling him. In this one Koda looks completely uninterested in Kenai story. It's as if he is more interested in playing and eating berries. So we question if Koda is fully aware of Kenai's punishment? On the other hand, the ending is so strong as it captures Koda's sadness and Kenai's guilt. So tricky...I say I like the first one...but it was close
Kenai's confession reminds me of 9O21O when Annie confesses that she was the hit and run driver who killed Joe Herman in the Season 1 finale. And confesses in the Season 2 Finale.
I'm watching the movie right now and after the original scene I paused it to look up and watch this alternate version. It is a true shame they didn't keep this in the movie. I love Phil Collins, don't get me wrong, but his music was not needed for a scene so serious as this.
I've read that the sequel has some deleted scenes but they're not on the bonus features part of the DVD. I've read that they include: 1. A full version of the childhood flashback that also shows Atka as a boy 2. Kenai having a nightmare about Sitka's death or something 3. Kenai deciding to be turned back into a human permanently. If anyone has seen these, do you know where I can find them?
Wow, such interesting scenes. 😊 I have Brother Bear 2 on DVD, so I must see if I find those deleted scenes on the bonus features part there. Thanks a lot for letting me know. 😊 EDIT: I’m sorry, but I couldn’t find those deleted scenes on my DVD. 😔
I wish this was in the film.... cut to the point. We see how Kenei regrets what he did and grown, and how heartbreaking this is and actually more emotional.
I actually found Phill Collins singing over him explaining it was a good decision. Yes, it was cute seeing Koda react to the beginning of the story, but when it starts to get to the point where he's about to tell him he killed his mother, no kid would have wanted to hear him say the words "I killed a bear." The fact that they didn't use those words and just let Koda put two and two together by hearing "your mother's not coming" made the scene all more powerful. Scenes that don't require words usually are more powerful. I personally would not have liked this scene as much if they used this take..
Honestly they should have kept this version of the confession insted of the one with the Phil Collins music. But like, they could've let the music play very softly in the background, too. :3
Like many other said, i would have liked this version to be the version shown in the movie, i love Phil Collins i realy love is music, enjoyed is song but I don't need a song to explain to me what the characters feel or the emotion they are going through, what they feel at this moment, because on the contrary, it only reduces the emotional impact that can clear this scene because it is a very important and touching passage for our characters (kenaï and koda) especially at the level of development that it is kenaï who understands what he did that are proud his imature side led him to break life of his brothers denai, setka and koda thus kenaï takes upon himself questions himself, or he will make the mistake of avoiding his responsibilities by becoming a man again or then to grow up, to mature in taking the voice of love in himself confronting his choices, saving koda and who at the same time understanding his totem which is love and for koda the fact that kenaï confesses the truth to him (in a subtle way through a story) it is all as impactful already by harvesting the songs he understands that it is mother and dead, that the person who follows her ea through this epic and who considers him as his brother and in reality the person responsible for his development, we have a lost, helpless koda, the only one who no longer gave his confidence whose role of kinaai will be to repair the fault he has committed so that he can adopt the voice of his totem pole, I can understand that we can like this passage in its current version and I also find that the lyrics are magnificent but I would have preferred that the music of Phil Collins was a ambient music, background to accompany / mix with the emotional impact of the dialogue of our characters (basically having the music of Phil Collins in the background and understand and hear what our characters koda and kenaï say because sometimes the words ( well chosen / well placed) can be more powerful than the song ps: sorry for but problem of spelling I do not speak fluent English, I come from France in addition to being dislexy
I didn't think that it was necessary to add the Phil Collins song "No way out" in this part of the movie. I think that they kept it appropriate in this deleted scene!!! But I enjoy his other song in the movie called "On my way" though!!! This is still a great and underrated Disney movie in my opinion!!!
The confession is so incredibly upsetting. According to this, this song was not used, and Kenai told his story of him being turned into a bear. He told Kida that he killed the bear. The bear, that Kenai killed, was *ACTUALLY* Koda’s mother. This broke Koda’s heart, that Kenai told him that his mothers not coming anymore. He swear he didn’t know it. In the final release of the movie, the song was added, perhaps, so the theatrical release wouldn’t get upset. They would burst into tears when they saw the final cut.
Even though this version is pretty good too I gotta admit I prefer the theatrical version with the Phil Collins song, 1 because it’s a very moving song, 2 I think the idea of leaving what Kenai is saying up to your imagination is a lot more powerful, especially with the close ups of their faces, and 3 because while I get the reason it’s there since he doesn’t understand what Kenai is talking about at first I find Koda’s more cutesy dialogue kinda kills the emotional momentum of Kenai’s story
It's nice know what he actually says, but I prefer the movie version, because it leaves it to your imagination and that scene really pulled at my heart- I admit, I started crying during this scene.
Apparently, the reason why they put the song over this was because the test audience thought this scene was too dark/intense but in my opinion, that’s kinda the point. While I think the final version still gets the point across, I agree they should have kept this in since it’s way more powerful hearing Kenai on the verge of tears and making the decision to tell Koda the truth.
I wish I could make a mix of both deleted and final versions, with No Way Out.
I agree, also saying that this scene was dark and intense is abit of an understatement since Disney is known for many Dark moments in their movies. Plus if you were to compare Brother Bear to The Lion King and Bambi than it’s obvious that Koda is in the same position as Simba and Bambi. But in all fairness it would probably be best to use the same music but as an instrumental to help strengthen the scene as possible.
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@@landryderrick6851
Hmmm, you mean Netflix?
Well, in geral the WHOLE story is very, VERYY Dark... as for children's movie. Just like The Hunchback of Notre Dame - those are reeally Life-like stories and dark.
One thing that I truly appreciate is that when Kenai started the story by saying : « it’s kind about a bear and a man », we assume that he is going to tell the whole opening of the film : his totem of love, the fact that Koda’s mother stole his siblings ´s meal and most of all why he wanted to kill the bear to avenge his brother.
But at this point, Kenai had finally learned to take his responsibilities, he doesn’t want to use the « my brother is dead » card to justify or even explain his motivations so he only said the words « I killed a bear » without trying to explain the context. He fully accept his cruel nature as the main cause of all the problems
I mean the reason he said that to Koda, because he always see Bear as a Monster,but after Koda storytellling,he realized he (Kenai) is the monster and after transform into a Bear he friends with Koda who he thought he was just an ordinary cub,but truth he was separate from his mom and Kenai is the reason their separate and worst of all kill her.
Yeah, that’s kind of what surprised me. He had already told Koda that he had an older brother who had become a spirit, because he was “killed by a b… by a monster” during the mammoth ride. But in the confession he took full accountability for his actions without giving an excuse or trying to justify it. It shows how much he’s matured since his transformation, so to say.
Ha, imagine how Phoenix (Kenai's voice actor) put so much emotion and effort in acting out this scene and finding out they covered it with a typical Phil Collins song blanket that just basically stated everything shown in it...
I would have been BEYOND pissed!! Lol This was perfect! There was no need for that stupid song overlay. If they didn't think that children can handle such a heartbreaking moment, then don't have it be a pivotal part of the movie. Koda was going to find out sooner or later (If anything, I will admit I found it impressive/kind of sad that it took Kenai so damn long to figure it out himself lol).
At the very least, they could have just played the score over the dialogue and let the audience guess what Kenai was saying. Leave it to the expressions and body language of the characters. We don't need "Fill Us In Phil" to sing over perfectly good dialogue and tell us how to feel -_- B(
blipbloop Kind of explains why he didn't return for the direct-to-DVD sequel (which actually isn't half bad, despite Phoenix's replacement not having his acting talent).
You mean Joker.
@@CheshireCat-cm1si shoot then you need to watch Joker
What do you get when you cross an emotionally powerful scene with a SINGER that has a huge ego and too much creative control?! I'll tell you what you get! You get an ineffective one!
That one line he says, in this and the movie always gets me in a way I just can't describe
"Koda... I did something very wrong."
But when he says "your mother is not coming" it kills me inside
I know it's a sad scene but the way he says it just seems witty to me. Not for Koda by the way.
I hate hearing Koda saying “ no…no no..”
What about the "I killed a bear...." line? The voice actor was so good that it broke me.
@@redpanda6497 True, but the emotion and the emphasis when he finally admits to Koda but more to himself that he did something so wrong that he was punished by being stripped of his humanity and made to become the very animal he hated and unjustly killed
He acknowledged his wrong and felt sincere remorse for it that he confessed his crime to the child of his victim, yet Koda came to help him becuz the bond they had forged together as brothers in heart was strong enough that Koda forgave Kenai and Kenai loved Koda enough to stay a bear to do right by him by looking after him
The voice acting man. The pain in Kenai’s voice is so good
That’s Academy Award winning Joaquin Phoenix for you man
Crazy too I think he really dug deep cuz apparently the voice actor also lost his brother around when he started working on this movie there’s no better acting then raw emotion right here.
River Phoenix died in 1993
You KNOW that the story is damn heart breaking when you can actually FEEL the pain behind the voice actor's voice. That deep...THAT. DEEP
I can see why Joaquin was picked for Joker.
Yeah no, this had to be why Joaquin Phoenix acted the way he did in that one interview clip; Idk the full context other than it being about the film & his role as Kenai, but if I being interviewed about a movie that cut out a performance of mine that was replaced by a pretty blasse song compared to the og scene? Yeah, I'd probably feel a bit aggravated!
"- A bear that was like a... a like...
- A brother?"
😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
What really got me was the song (No Way Out) or the way Kenai said “I’m sorry, Koda. I’m so sorry.”
@@Jothomas214 This movie is a FUCKING MASTERPIECE
OH MY GOD THIS IS SO DEPRESSING!!!! I always wondered what Kenai said to Koda.
The way Jeremy said "No" as Koda you really wanted to hug him😢
This is definately better than the theatrical cut, but its still a bit odd. Koda seems to clue into Kenai killing his mother a little too abruptly. A second ago he just seemed to take the whole thing as just a story, then suddenly as Kenai says he's killed a bear it becomes real. Perhaps a short moment of genuine disbelief and clarification before putting the pieces together would've felt more natural. Otherwise, its a shame it wasn't in the finished movie because it's suprisingly well written.
It's because children know shit. They literally pick up on everything. Children aren't dumb or naive. Like some children are but Kids isn't. He's very aware of the dangers that await him as a bear. That's why he clues in so quickly.
It's funny because that short moment of disbelief and realization was added in the final movie. That's what sold the scene to me back then. You see Koda slowly put the peices together in his head after kenai told him something as vague as your mother's not coming.
@@donnellmadison5586 Yeah it's there, but the pacing is so quick and it happens whilst a song is playing in the background over the dialogue that you can't hear. In this deleted scene you're engaged in the conversation because you're hearing every word and seeing the characters react, not just a montage of moments set against a disembodied singer's voice. At the same time though, even though we see the reactions, in both versions it seems quite brief proportionally to what Koda has just learnt. I mean the story Kenai tells is pretty out there; he used to be a human, who killed a bear, that turned out to be Koda's mother, got transformed into a bear himself by his dead brother's spirit, and has spent the last day or so hanging out with him pretending to be a real bear. Felt like they could've spent just a little more time for that to sink in; even just 10 more seconds, it wouldn't need to be that much really, even a few seconds can make a hell of a lot of difference to how a scene plays out in a movie. I mean I know kids will generally accept things at face value easier than adults will, and we at least got Kenai telling Koda the story and Koda acknowledging that it sounds similar to him, buffering the transition of accepting that it IS him. It's just a difficult scene to pull off convincingly, and I don't think either version succeeded entirely for my tastes. But as far this deleted version goes, they did a decent job of it, better than what they ended up doing at least; I didn't see any benefit of replacing the conversation with a song, all I could hear is a Phil Collins song with lyrics commenting on the scene playing out, rather than just watching the scene play out.
@@donnellmadison5586 After watching it again, you're right that they do have that moment for Koda to come to the realisation in the theatrical version, but not in this deleted version. If they'd just combined the two it may've actually been perfect!
@@donnellmadison5586 Exactly. Less is more, and we are smart enough to figure out what is beaing said. And I love the way kenai says 'your mother is not coming' and Koda puts two and two together
Phoenix really brought the heartbreak especially when he finally confesses his sin to Koda.
WHY DIDNT THEY KEEP THIS?! This ripped my heart out and would have been so much better agh...
Instead, they used that stupid Phil Collins song!
cause it was a kid´ movie and this is disney.
No I'm an adult now and still can't watch this scene without bawling my eyes out
It’s well acted, but we already know the story.
It worked better in the Final Cut to leave it to our imagination.
1:57 „I... I killed a bear.“
That‘s some of the best voice acting I‘ve ever heard...
How 'bout we change that to "I... I killed your mother."
I like the Phil Collins song, but this is what they should have done. This is absolutely heart-breaking. Pheoenix's acting is on point; you can just feel Kenai's torment. That one bit where Koda says "like a brother!" and hugs him, and the pained look on Kenai's face, and how he just spits out his confession and you can sense his remorse oh WHY DISNEY. This could have been a Lion King moment, like when Kenai finds out the truth himself, but you added ALL THE CHEESE.
I love Brother Bear, I personally find it very underrated and it's one of my favourite Disney movies - heck, one of my favourite animated films! It may not be as strong as BatB or TLK, it is flawed in parts, but it's so beautiful and funny, with gorgeous animation and a lovely message. However, they should have kept this scene Phil free!
+GingerWizzard1994 People will probably roast me alive for saying so, but I like it _so much_ better than Beauty and the Beast. BatB was so polished that it felt almost emotionless. I didn't really believe the romance - it moved much too fast. It really works as an adaptation of a fairy-tale - it _feels_ like a fairy-tale, but it doesn't inspire genuine emotion in me like Brother Bear did.
+Master Markus technically the midquel have given more nuance to the change of the beast
This I agree. I'm almost crying right now.
really 😢 he killed his mother
They both made me tear up so the phil version still works xD
It really is a fantastic movie though
I have to agree with the sentiment that they should've kept this in. When I first saw this, I thought they would just have music playing in the background, but the music nearly drowned out the emotion of the scene. While the story is one we know by this point because of the realization Kenai has earlier (which was a very powerful scene). It is more important to see how Kenai tells the story to Koda so that the audience can understand where they both are emotionally. If I'm being perfectly honest, I wouldn't mind a Brother Bear remake, this movie is almost perfect. If they want to they could try live action, but I think this kind of story is best suited for animation.
WOW! IM 27 YRS OLD & THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IM HEARING THE ACTUAL DIALOGUE THE SONG IN THE FILM DROWNS OUT! DEFINITELY SHOULD’VE KEPT THIS IN!
We’re the same kids that survived Mufasa’s death, we could’ve survived hearing Kenai’s confession to Koda. Also, bravo to Joaquin Phoenix! He did a phenomenal job as Kenai, but the voice acting here is immaculate! He literally sounds tormented coming to the realization that he did in fact do something wrong & now he has to break that horror to Koda. Just bravo!
"I didn't know Koda. I Swear I didn't know!" 😔
I love this deleted scene and it fills in the gap in that scene. But I feel the scene they went with was equally powerful. Not because of the song or what they were saying, but because of the face expression. I mean go back and watch the scene they went with again. Look at how torn up Kenai is. Look at Koda's expression when he's figuring out what Kenai is saying. Look at the way he climbs up on the tree and just breaks down sobbing. For me it was more heartbreaking BECAUSE we didn't know what they were saying. We had to look at the facial expressions. It's show, don't tell in that version. But both these scenes are meant to be heartbreaking and for the most part they both do just that.
Kenai and Koda his confession
Pariswirl Lily True. I think that leaving the dialogue up to your imagination is more powerful (although we know what it's about). And making you only hear Kenai's "I did something very wrong" is all you need.
Ryan Blanche you couldn't have said it any better ♡
Ryan Blanche Agreed. The first time I watched it, it never really bothered me that much and I also kinda allowed for myself to leave it up to my imagination in terms of how the confession probably went. Granted, I do love this version as well, but I'm fine with either one.
The song ruined it they turned a touching scene into one that can’t give us the feeling
I like the final version of this scene better, it doesn’t have the storytelling because we already know what happened, and leaves it up to the imagination, plus the Phil Collins song. But this is so great too. Joaquin put a lot of emotion into it, and either way it still would’ve made audiences cry like the final version.
I have to disagree, sure you can say it leaves it up to the imagination but this was already perfect. and kenais voice acting sold it
After hearing this story... I completely don´t understand why they didn´t keep it in the movie. It has so much more heart, so much more feelings about the whole thing that happened then Phil Collins with the song No Way Out. Maybe they could have put the song right after it, when Koda leaves and it Kenai would try to catch him ... I mean we know what happened so it is true that we don´t need to hear it, but it builded so much more into the characters and honestly it did gave me tears to hear it like this. I didn´t hated the song for being there but after seeing this... yeah I think they should have kept it in the movie. It would have been more also for adults and the movie would benefit more from its own message. So I think it was a really dumb decision to throw it out. As for the movie - I still really like it.
Well said, I couldn't said it better myself. I don't hate the final "No Way Out" scene, but I think the song should have played right after the confession scene. Well, I guess this dialogue is what Kenai told Koda in the final scene, but I think the scene should have played itself.
***** Probably a case of 'this is too dark for the kiddies so better to play it safe and tone it down'.
Lauren K Most likely. But Disney haven't shied away from direct exposure priorly.
However, Kenai didn't really explain to Koda what happened in detail. He just told him some tstory about a man turned into a bear and received help from a younger cub learning how to adapt and killed a bear. He never specifically mentioned that HE was the bear, nor did Koda appear to realize that, and he also never mentioned that the bear he called was Koda's mother.
tripp cory I think it was more of Koda putting two and two together. And Kenai saying "Your mother's not coming" was all he needed to hear.
why didn't they go with this scene its a lot more powerful and emotional than a song.
Maybe not for a kid. And maybe not what Disney wanted. Two meaning thing and all mysteriously Disney, you know.
I think they went with the song because the audience already knew the story.
rjd1922 the song and the confession were one and the same in the directors eyes
They could have just kept both
I prefer the song. To me, the song made it more emotional.
I always appriciate how much work is put into traditional animation, it looks so smooth and perfect.
My dad and I have the same color circle like yours.
*OH MY GOD WHY DID THEY REMOVE THIS IT MADE THE SCENE 100000x BETTER*
To be honest, I don't think they've should've changed this scene. I think they've should've kept it in as it was. Though I don't detest the final execution, because having a song playing over the scene makes it intriguing. But it was also somewhat contrived to have a song over the scene as well.
as someone who thinks the final cut of this scene was amazing...yeah, this is better. i won't even try to deny it, this hit harder than the Phil Collins song.
i like this version a lot better than the one they used in the movie, this scene is fully animated they should just put it in the movie already as a bonus DVD
Exactly! Or just save the Phil Collins song for AFTER this scene.
I’ve always wondered what Kenai was saying in this scene! Like, I knew the gist, but I wanted to know exactly HOW he told him. Such a heartbreaking scene. I wish it was in the final movie
Oh my God, that just ripped my heart out and stomped on it.
Okay. Heart's crushed. Mission accomplished.
I'm gonna get some flack for saying this, but this beats out Lion King any day. This is so poignant!
Brendan Greene Oooh, not one for Phil Collins, are you? :/
Brendan Greene Well, I do still have high respect for Phil Collins's work, but I understand your frustration. I'd be willing to bet it wasn't Phil's decision to be singing at that moment, though. My money's on the sound director, tbh.
quite possibly disney making the call even, telling the director to slap phil collins over it to lessen the impact of the emotion of this scene perhaps. which is absurd considering brother bear doesn't shy away from concepts such as death, and murder. and even though it's a very lighthearted film, the serious moments are serious. when sitka dies. he's dead. they point that out. they don't sugar coat it. and they shouldn't have cut out this dialogue and these extended scenes and sugar coated it with phil collins either.
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED TO SEE. FOR YEARS, I'VE WANTED TO KNOW WHAT KENAI WAS SAYING. THANK YOU SO MUCH I'M SUBSCRIBING
He was saying everything we saw him do, not really much there
This was so much better. Phil Collins will always be amazing, but we needed to hear Kenai tell the truth, because this was more emotional and heart wrenching. We didn't need what was happening or what we felt explained to us in song; I am grateful for the music Phil Collins gave us in the movie, but the deleted version should've been in the movie.
Part of me is glad they covered this up with song yet the other part of me is wishing they kept it in I mean you can hear the emotion in Phoenix’s voice
wow...
I always wondered how Kenai would explain this to Koda and...I think they did a really good job with it.
This is so sad to realize that your mother is dead is probably so sad for a little bear like that it's so emotional to tell someone that their parent is dead Disney really did it with this movie and all others
I'm still bitter over the fact that they played the song over this crucial and emotional moment. The song makes the emotion seem very hammered in, whereas this deleted scene just lets it speak for itself.
I like both versions. They still do their jobs. But I like the added ‘I didn’t know.’ And yeah, we know the story already before the confession. And I think when Kenai said ‘I killed a bear’, Koda came to the conclusion a bit too fast that it was indeed his mother that he killed.
Okay the Phil Collins scene was sad but good lord this is the equivalent of tearing my heart out, stomping on it, feeding it to wolves, the throwing the heart pop in a fire and drowning the ashes in a lake.
I think this scene could have worked with the Phil Collins song, but only if they removed the words. Even though the acting is great, having someone tell you what to feel cheapens everything.
kind of a workaround... you can remember the story in your head and match most of it to kenai's paw movements when watching the movie except for when koda jumps in his lap since that doesn't happen in the finished movie (just my opinion)
Why wasn't this in the movie?! This is a hell of a lot better than Phil Collin, it tells a story and shows character development. Was it because it was too dark. Even Kids need to learn that people make mistakes.
Probably because there was too much tension in this scene and it was unpleasant to hear. For this reason they wanted to cover it with the song.
IDK I still think this would've worked better.
Because that it is from Disney. Like, you know, two meaning thing.
Or at least I think so.
They could’ve played an instrumental version of this while he was confessing
They probably thought it was too depressing for kids
I never saw this scene before. I find this more emotional then the original scene.
Man, why deleted scenes in Disney animated films are always the best ones..
I wanna see somebody make an animation of this scene and edit it into the movie so badly!
I wish the directors used this version instead of the one with the song. This scene is so much more powerful and emotional without having "No Way Out" playing over it.
1:50
Kenai: “Koda, I did something very wrong.”
Koda: “What did you do, Kenai?”
Kenai: “I, I killed Three Corrupt Drunk Rich Men, My Own Egocentric Abusive Psycho Mother, a Former Friend Who Got Me Fired to Save His Own Job, and a TV Show Host.”
Don’t forget his own father and the wife and son of a gladiator/general.
Michael Jenner
Koda:... Well they were all monsters so it's totally fine
Kenai: also I killed your mom
Koda: yOU WHAT?!
Giulia CF LOL.
I wish that they gave Koda flashbacks about a Mother and Son relationship like Koda's Mom teaching him or any relationships
I think it's a great confession scene but it was definitely too dialogue heavy for a kids movie and too dark and depressing. But at least we have it in this form so we can see it. You can see how much Kenai is pained in both.
The OG and No Way Out are both good confession scenes that rench on your heart strings.
I love both scenes equally and I'd easily say it out beats Lion King any day, and Lion King 2 is one of my favourite films so.
I disagree with it being too heavy. Kids don’t need everything sugar coated. Like the Land Before Time for instance. It respected its younger audience and didn’t sugarcoat anything.
And that's the problem with animation being viewed as kids movies
We lose scenes like this.
I agree, this is why the line where Kenai was looking for Sitka in the water was deleted. Kenai's voice actor's real brother or father died in a river
I like this way better than the actual scene in the movie.
Just rewatched Brother Bear after over a decade and I loved it. That confession scene however felt very disjointed, being drowned out by the music and not allowing enough emotional impact. I legit was thinking "gah why would they ruin the scene like this". Looking through the extras I come to find this infinitely better version of the scene. Glad to see others think so too.
Ah, though, I really loved the song they choose for this scene. It pretty much explained it without having to hear the story. I'm glad they kept it the way it is right now.
I'm 24 and I think this will still be hurtful as hell for the years to come, simply, one of the best movies in the scene. Never gets old...
Thanks for ripping my heart out and turn it into confetti, disney...
Gooooood job Disney! Now I'm crying over one of your movies. Again.
They did it better here than in the actual movie. ... Why did Phil Collins have to sing over the sad part?
I always wondered in this film what if Kenai never chased after the bear maybe Sitka would've survived and Koda's mom wouldn't have died.
the feels :'c I'm crying on the inside.
So the dialogue definitely needed some polishing, the end to this scene is very abrupt. But boy is it FAR better than the original version we got. As good as the song was, it robs so much weight from this scene for no reason.
I actually prefer this version. I have nothing against the final scene, but I still thought it was somewhat conrtived to have a song during such an emotional scene. So I prefer this version.
Simba: so kenai was listening of confession for story.
They definitely should’ve left this in the final cut and then have the song play out after Kenai tries and fails to find Koda to let the emotions sink in further.
I like the final one the best, but this would've been fantastic, too.
I still think putting the song over the conversation works better because you have to imagine what did Kenai actually say.
Yeah, besides Kenai was telling what we basically already knew.
1:02 - 1:09
I really wish they put that shot in the actual film, like how they did in the “previews” for it.
Kenai's confession really shocked poor Koda and broke poor Koda's heart.
Even without the song you can clearly hear how much Kenai truly hated himself. Knowing he's about to break Koda's heart.
This. Right Here. IS WHAT THE CONFESSION SCENE SHOULD'VE BEEN. Instead of Phil Collins forcing the sadness down our throats.
When Kenai said.. It's partly about a man and partly about a bear.. but mostly it's about a monster.. he wasn't referring to Koda's mother. He was referring to himself. A man who had let his anger get the better of him and through this, he took his anger out on an innocent bear who was not to blame. He killed an innocent who'd done no wrong. And for that he was punished by Sitka and the spirits. We became a bear for that reason.
;A; okay, my heart just snapped just now
I want to watch the movie now and then get my heart ripped out more ;-;
Koda no?.. No!
Kenai: Koda?
Why can't I stop watching this…
Phoenix just won an Oscar well deserved that is and I think the reason they didn’t want this scene is because it was to powerful with emotion they didn’t deserve it
Man...this is tricky because there are faults and strengths in this. In the movie, Koda stops and listens, and we see him think about what Kenai is telling him. In this one Koda looks completely uninterested in Kenai story. It's as if he is more interested in playing and eating berries. So we question if Koda is fully aware of Kenai's punishment? On the other hand, the ending is so strong as it captures Koda's sadness and Kenai's guilt. So tricky...I say I like the first one...but it was close
This is amazing. I can't find the words for to describe it how much I like this.
I'm so mad at Disney right about now.......This scene should've been in the final cut!!!
fuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They should have kept this in the movie even though it was heartbreaking
It's a crime that this didn't make it into the movie.
OMG thanks for this video *-*
Kenai's confession reminds me of 9O21O when Annie confesses that she was the hit and run driver who killed Joe Herman in the Season 1 finale. And confesses in the Season 2 Finale.
I'm watching the movie right now and after the original scene I paused it to look up and watch this alternate version. It is a true shame they didn't keep this in the movie. I love Phil Collins, don't get me wrong, but his music was not needed for a scene so serious as this.
I've read that the sequel has some deleted scenes but they're not on the bonus features part of the DVD. I've read that they include:
1. A full version of the childhood flashback that also shows Atka as a boy
2. Kenai having a nightmare about Sitka's death or something
3. Kenai deciding to be turned back into a human permanently.
If anyone has seen these, do you know where I can find them?
Wow, such interesting scenes. 😊
I have Brother Bear 2 on DVD, so I must see if I find those deleted scenes on the bonus features part there.
Thanks a lot for letting me know. 😊
EDIT:
I’m sorry, but I couldn’t find those deleted scenes on my DVD. 😔
both senes are really sad :(
I wish this was in the film.... cut to the point. We see how Kenei regrets what he did and grown, and how heartbreaking this is and actually more emotional.
This scene makes you cry...
This is soo heart breaking
I actually found Phill Collins singing over him explaining it was a good decision. Yes, it was cute seeing Koda react to the beginning of the story, but when it starts to get to the point where he's about to tell him he killed his mother, no kid would have wanted to hear him say the words "I killed a bear." The fact that they didn't use those words and just let Koda put two and two together by hearing "your mother's not coming" made the scene all more powerful. Scenes that don't require words usually are more powerful. I personally would not have liked this scene as much if they used this take..
1:57 *CRACK* the sound of millions of hearts that were broken
I prefer this version than having a song played over it
Honestly they should have kept this version of the confession insted of the one with the Phil Collins music. But like, they could've let the music play very softly in the background, too. :3
This STILL hits me...
It's a big emotion 😢😭
Wow this is so much more heartbreaking without the music.
Like many other said, i would have liked this version to be the version shown in the movie, i love Phil Collins i realy love is music, enjoyed is song but I don't need a song to explain to me what the characters feel or the emotion they are going through, what they feel at this moment, because on the contrary, it only reduces the emotional impact that can clear this scene because it is a very important and touching passage for our characters (kenaï and koda) especially at the level of development that it is kenaï who understands what he did that are proud his imature side led him to break life of his brothers denai, setka and koda thus kenaï takes upon himself questions himself, or he will make the mistake of avoiding his responsibilities by becoming a man again or then to grow up, to mature in taking the voice of love in himself confronting his choices, saving koda and who at the same time understanding his totem which is love and for koda the fact that kenaï confesses the truth to him (in a subtle way through a story) it is all as impactful already by harvesting the songs he understands that it is mother and dead, that the person who follows her ea through this epic and who considers him as his brother and in reality the person responsible for his development, we have a lost, helpless koda, the only one who no longer gave his confidence whose role of kinaai will be to repair the fault he has committed so that he can adopt the voice of his totem pole, I can understand that we can like this passage in its current version and I also find that the lyrics are magnificent but I would have preferred that the music of Phil Collins was a ambient music, background to accompany / mix with the emotional impact of the dialogue of our characters (basically having the music of Phil Collins in the background and understand and hear what our characters koda and kenaï say because sometimes the words ( well chosen / well placed) can be more powerful than the song ps: sorry for but problem of spelling I do not speak fluent English, I come from France in addition to being dislexy
I didn't think that it was necessary to add the Phil Collins song "No way out" in this part of the movie. I think that they kept it appropriate in this deleted scene!!! But I enjoy his other song in the movie called "On my way" though!!! This is still a great and underrated Disney movie in my opinion!!!
Don't get me wrong, the song "No way out" from Phil Collins is a very good song!!!
Yes is on the DVD Brother Bear (Disc 2 / Deleted Scenes)
This scene would have made a bit more sense and way more sad. They should have kept the scene and song separate.
The confession is so incredibly upsetting. According to this, this song was not used, and Kenai told his story of him being turned into a bear. He told Kida that he killed the bear. The bear, that Kenai killed, was *ACTUALLY* Koda’s mother. This broke Koda’s heart, that Kenai told him that his mothers not coming anymore. He swear he didn’t know it. In the final release of the movie, the song was added, perhaps, so the theatrical release wouldn’t get upset. They would burst into tears when they saw the final cut.
I can see why they added the song. Kenai telling Koda what we already knew had happen.
The story about Kenai!
Man, the feels...
Right in the feels...... :(
Even though this version is pretty good too I gotta admit I prefer the theatrical version with the Phil Collins song, 1 because it’s a very moving song, 2 I think the idea of leaving what Kenai is saying up to your imagination is a lot more powerful, especially with the close ups of their faces, and 3 because while I get the reason it’s there since he doesn’t understand what Kenai is talking about at first I find Koda’s more cutesy dialogue kinda kills the emotional momentum of Kenai’s story
I. CAN'T. BREATHE. BECAUSE. OF. PAIN!!
This scene was better 🎬
It's nice know what he actually says, but I prefer the movie version, because it leaves it to your imagination and that scene really pulled at my heart- I admit, I started crying during this scene.