The MatPat Controversy: The Story You Never Knew | Heartbound (Game Release Debacle) | Treesicle
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- MatPat, The Game Theorists, and GTLive have been the target of a lot of hate the past week or so. After posting a livestream to GTLive titled "The NEXT UNDERTALE GAME is Here! Heartbound (Game Release)", the creator of Heartbound, Pirate Software, called MatPat out for using Undertale, Deltarune, and Toby Fox in the promotions of his game, and for not linking the game in the description. And, on top of that, a UA-camr by the name of LegalEagle called out MatPat and the Game Theorists for "plagiarizing" his video. And though we could go into that aspect of the controversy as well, at this point it seems very cut and dry that The Game Theorists did nothing of the sort, so we're not even going to give it the time of day. Join your host, Grant, as he breaks down this whole weird week of MatPat controversy and uncovers it all in the Story You Never Knew!
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Well...
At least he didn't film a dead body...
that will be next -_- he's that messed up now
We're lucky he didn't try suicide (to our knowledge)
Haja
@@ChaudTheGamer You're messed up
At least he doesn't insult Japanese people
And here I was thinking Matt shot up an orphanage.
Why was that your first guess?
@@theringsragingflameinciner3901 And my first joke.
Right? After looking into it he didn't really do anything wrong, hell knowing mat, he probably damn near pissed himself when he learned he did somthing wrong.
Tbh mat spends so much time in front of a camera that you can tell quite a bit about him I.E. he can be a brick-head sometimes but he isn't malevolent.
@@shadowofseattle1338 Exactly, when you look at it this "controversy" is just a mix up.
@@shadowofseattle1338 He did do a few things wrong as he admitted himself like make excuses blaming his team and not fixing it until Toby called him out, but yeah, agreed.
If this happened in like 2010 it would just go like
“Hey man can you link my game I kinda need exposure”
“Oh yeah sure sorry bout that
I miss those days :(
:(
Or they'd probably thank them for featuring their game
alijah crichton you and me both
I don’t even remember those days
As someone who has hung out with MatPat a number of times and had pretty in-depth discussions with him, I can say my experience has always pointed to him being a solid, genuine dude. He's a brilliant guy with a brilliant team, so when a mistake is made on his end, it weighs heavier than most other channels. People expect MatPat to be on point at all times, but he's human (although he may be part machine, honestly, who knows). This "controversy" will dissipate in time and it's only as powerful as it is right now because people are addicted to outrage, will over-zealously jump to the defense of a perceived underdog, and because MatPat isn't expected to produce any form of human error. Just my thoughts on it.
Rob Gavagan truth right here!
Rob Gavagan oh shit. I know your channel
That's fair enough, but he refused to even link to the game until a bigger developer stepped in. That to me makes it come off as more than just a mistake.
@@callmequaz9052 The developers dickishly kicked up a storm in his direction, why would he help them?
@@SilverAuron They responded, as anyone would, annoyed because they had spent a long time making a game that MatPat was profiting off and he didn't even bother to do the simple act of linking to the game.
Their responce is rather irrelavant. If he had just linked to the game in the first place there wouldn't be a problem. Yes, he called it the next Undertale, but that's because UA-cam algorithims are shit and the game wasn't well known. Again though, not my point.
MatPat seems incapable of linking to things, either out of malice or incompetance, I don't know, but he clearly can because he did link to the game after a bigger, more well known and respected developer stepped in. When Toby Fox came into call him out, instead of an almost snarky response trying to shift the blame to the people that work for him, he apologised, fixed the title and linked to the game with his tail between his legs. Why couldn't he just do that from the beggining? And his latest video, which is just factually wrong from the beggining, he brieflty mentions the reddit user he effectively ripped the idea from for a few seconds in the video and then that user is never mentioned again and their post isn't linked in the description.
He is effectively just profiting off of other people's work, and it's not like it's difficult to at the very least just stick a link in the description to where you get your information or the game.
I feel like this whole thing was blown way out of proportion for no reason. This whole situation wasn’t that serious
LOUDER FOR THE THEORISTS IN THE BACK!
Welcome to the New Internet Order
PaPaSea | I think this happened because Toby exaggerated a little bit by saying “You went too far this time.”
John Hexagon
How is it super serious? It wasn’t like they were saying it was their game, and they apologized. They fixed everything, and it’s 2019 we have google and if you want you can look up the game. Sooo...
@@koiboys2284 Exactly.
U either die a theorist or live long enough to see yourself become the controversy
It's not like matpat did a whole lot wrong. The worst bit is the clickbait, and I kind of enjoy that bit and think it's part of their charm. I'm sure this will all blow over in a month or so. Worst thing that could happen is they don't play any more heartbound.
Lol love The Dark Knight greatest Superhero movie of all time
@@manamongmen3381 Exactly. Game Theory's click bait has pretty much become a meme amongst theory channels. It's sorta unifying in its own way.
it's theorize or be theorize
@@manamongmen3381 not to mention this is something LITERALLY everyone on youtube does. like... its a complete non-issue because at this point its just accepted because thats the only way to get anywhere with the dumb youtube algorithm.
How to make a mountain out of a molehill: The saga
Heh, yeah, no kidding.
thats youtube and the media in general though
They should have learned from Doofensmertz
elefant out of a dog
That’s the internet for you
I was worried MatPat made a controversial comment. This is petty and unnecessary drama
that's what i thought too or that there were some bad allegations about him, not that he didn't link a game and said PirateGames instead of PirateStudios
Well part of it was that he filled the tags with Undertale and Deltarune stuff and even loaded the hidden tags with it so that people looking for Undertale or Deltarune would find his video and well, if a game described as THE NEXT UNDERTALE has tags all relating to Undertale, you might think they're related.
@@Neremworld And if you for some reason, before watching the video, are somehow able to check the tags of the video and are stupid enough to think that a new Undertale game got released within the first couple months of Deltarune Chapter 1 without the internet exploding.
@@Neremworld He made a point about that too though. They kind of are related as they're incredibly similar. Branding an unknown game as similar to a popular one is a common and smart move
There's literally no point in doing it in his video though. It'd be like if I did a video on the giancia Sisters and had "SuperMarioBros" "SupeRMarioWorld" "SupeRMarioOdyssey" as the tags for it. It's intentionally deceptive.
_The theorizer you never knew..._
Oi
@@TheTheorizer oh hi mark
@@TheTheorizer hey man funny seeing you here
@@TheTheorizer funny seeing you here, how's the notifications working now?
Daniel Sambar hello AGAIN
I’ve been avoiding this controversy for some time up until now. All I can say is, that’s it? That’s what the whole fuss is about? Christ, I thought it was something much worse.
Great video by the way!
Same...I'm sitting here bewildered. This is genuinely stupid, matt made a little baby mistake, then apologized. And this video is right, this controversy will only help the game, hell his video on the controversy will help the game. and im using controversy lightly.
It's not actually. This was the basis of what happened, yes, but people were actually mad about how Mat got defensive and his ego started showing with his response. He didn't actually give a proper apology until Toby Fox got involved. People were mad about how MatPat handled it because he really didn't handle it well or properly at all.
Same
Thats the problem with these people.
Matpat ain't perfect but when he's under such an unforgiving eye, i gotta side with him.
Like seriously, if the man accidentally shortchanged someone a whole penny, the internet would unsheath their witch hunt torches
@@DarkDesertRose
That may be so, but don't forget that any time matpat screws up even a little, the internet demands blood.
It wasnt right of him, but if I was in his situation, I would be defenseive too and frankly, so would you
Pirate games should have just said "Hey you Messed up our name" and that's it! This is why I hate Twitter. Its starts drama and it turns into a war.
@ViskaDrake that's not right! This shouldn't have happened to Matpat! This all could have been avoided if people didn't make such a big deal! People. Make. Mistakes!
Well, how they misled the audience with clickbait and false tags is also pretty bad.
Twitter is a garbage fire these days. Those 240 characters aren't enough for nuanced discussions, but sure are enough to drop petty and infantile zingers to make people upset.
Solid platform those guys run, right there.
+ion Yeah. That title was a mistake.
@@eclipsemoon7345 It was Mat's fault though, he should have not called the title that.
I agree especially with the tags since i do this for a living as well. Some games are not known and i don't see the problem with leveraging another games popularity in order to get the game seen. It actually only helps the less known devs and games get more exposure. I think the line is making people believe its not the game you are playing, which like you said is where the issue is but even still i think at the end of the day the game has gotten more exposure which is a good thing.
I also believe you should link games of course but anyone that really wants to play the game can easily just google search the game and get it themselves. If anything its probably more beneficial to link games in the comment section. I don't think mat pat is evil i just think there are a ton of people that don't understand how UA-cam works because they don't do it.
Hi watch your vids
you spoke the truth
To my understanding UA-cam also has some auto tagging features. Though I don't make videos myself I have seen videos in the past where UA-cam listed the wrong game in the description (I presume that behavior can be overwritten). Again, not a UA-camr myself so I don't know exactly how it works but thought it was worth pointing out.
As a game developer myself, I agree with what you are saying. Having my game being compared to games similar in concept (ie: Hello Neighbor) would get way more attention than just calling the video by the name of the game, especially if it's just starting out and nobody knows about it. Yes, MatPat messed up but I don't expect him to remember everything about the hundreds of games he plays and reviews through.
@@MaxSchmidGame That's cause you're a reasonable and intelligent human being who knows you can use other's successes to help yourself.
This is the only video I've seen on the topic that's actually rational and not a total hit piece on Matpat and his brand. Thanks for making something digestible.
I've dropped a few channels because they are just making videos to attack MatPat and try to discredit him and it just feels petty. They want to be popular talking about the big controversy (that I did not hear about until like this video practically) and they wanted to throw stones at MatPat for something very minor.
Treesickle showed very valid MatPat MADE mistakes but they aren't really too severe and to me this has shown to me how petty Pirate Studios is, they went to social media instead of addressing MatPat directly.
Goose Boose
Yo, ProtoMario was the worst of these. He has some serious issues with MatPat & it’s soooo obvious.
Ikr
Kevin S. If MatPat weren’t a total disgrace then there wouldn’t be so many people calling him out. He’s an opinionated imbecile and treats his own theories as evidence for use in other theories, his Mario is the Villain theory being the most egregrious example.
@@dakotasan8719 you do realized there are lots of non-total disgraces that get called out alot.
THANK YOU for being completely objective with this "controversy". I don't even have a rebuttal; your thoughts mirrors mine 100%.
@★ Froggie Animation ★ ha ha ha! HAAA HA HA HA! Why is it that I know what you're talking about. I've been around the internet too much. Also Cobi had it coming, he was wrong.
@★ Froggie Animation ★ Can you direct me to where Cobi made their comments, I don't remember where so I don't know if I should be agreeing with you or disagreeing.
So he’s only objective because you fully agree with him?
Ayyy what’s good PK???
Just wanna say hi, Black Mario.
This was something Pirate Software should have dmed Matpat directly about, instead of trying to publicly disgrace him over it. He made a mistake, but this was definitely blown far out of proportion.
That being said they now have the publicity they wanted, so I guess the end justifies the means for them.
THIS RIGHT HERE! If you're a professional game developer, act like it - make the contact in private: by email, by DM, something. Public outcries like what Pirate did should be last resort (unless you're looking for that sweet sweet public outcry drama publicity) and *mention* that this is the last resort.
Yeah if they had DMd MatPat would have totally corrected himself, dropped a link to the game, done everything in a professional manner
Exactly fucking this.
for real though, they made themselves look like crybaby bitches, its a shame their game looks good too.
Not really, I think that if instead of doing it so publicly they did it via DM and then MatPat made the correction, I would be more inclined to buy their video games than now, they made to much of a fuss over a mistake, making them on my point of view, childish, chaotic and unprofessional, therefore a wildcard on the moment of developing games, because of their lack of professionalism, I think that there must be more people out there than think like me, making ti that if they blow up this mistake to a way bigger proportion, what will they do with a problem developing a game then? burn the office down?
Tbh, I've been actively avoiding videos on "The MatPat Controversy" cuz I had no idea what it was about and I assumed majority of the vids would just be clickbait MatPat trashing. This vid was actually really well put together at explaining the situation. I'm subscribing :D
Same! Bt i was subrd to treesicle so i decided yo take a chance an watch it and i was pleased. Glad I didn't click on any of those stupid videos
*_looks like Matt did an oopsie_*
Pewdiepie does far worse and losers are jumping down Matt's throat over fucking nothing.
@@jonathan4554 he supported racists
professorpichu56 peWdiEpiE iS a NaZi gUyS
Oopsie!
David Espinosa yEaH We aRE s0 WoKE
A theory about a theorist. I like how you defended matpat in a way that didn’t come off like an obsessed fanboy. You admitted when he was wrong and defended him when he wasn’t. Really liked this one
He was very objective
I agree with you.
I didn't know about this until now. I'm a longtime MatPat/GameTheory fan that hasn't really jumped on board the livestream bandwagon. All that said, I think your analysis is absolutely right. One thing has to be understood right now, Pirate Software, and all those fairweather fans out there.
MatPat is not your enemy. No one in his team is trying to kick your puppy or make your game perform worse.
Mat's team fucked up, yes. They weren't well-prepared enough to make sure that - IF they want to make sure that the company is credited correctly at all points - that the game was linked, the title wasn't misleading, and that Mat and Steph had the vital info (company name, release date, game name, etc.) on a whiteboard or something where they could instantly reference it.
These were HONEST MISTAKES. MatPat would not maliciously try to use someone for his own gains. He's put too much of his real self out there for me to believe that.
HOWEVER. Everything that Grant said was true on the backend. MatPat and GameTheory don't owe anything to game developers or publishers that don't pay him for his company's services. When he reviews a game on his own, he has every right to do it as he sees fit, and should only be beholden to those game creators and his fans as much as he sees fit. Which, thankfully, he believes is REALLY important. Don't forget that, if you've read this far. I'll say it again:
MATPAT IS NOT OUR ENEMY. HE NEVER HAS BEEN PEOPLE. JFC.
MatPat also CLEARLY explained in a tweet that they only link free to download games (and I know from the past that they also link games that were given to them to play by devs). They do not link games that cost money because they dont want people to feel pressure to spent money on the games that they play.
It annoys me how everyone just skips over it, to make their argument better.
@@zachary6626 well if we don't, then we're less credible.
@@beefnoodlegaming So if you lie and don't show the full story...you're more credible?
@@zachary6626 OBVIOUSLY
@@beefnoodlegaming INGENIUS, I CAN'T BELIEVE HOW SMART THAT IS
An objective stance without taking sides and actually informing people? My kinda controversy videos.
Agreed
Makes you wish more videos were like it huh xD
I mean, I agree with the video, but he does offer his own opinion on whether it was a legitimate/acceptable thing to use these tags.
He also excuses Matt's mistake, but some might not, that's just his take on the matter.
He also disagrees with the opinion that PirateSoft is in the right to criticize Matt.
These are all opinions.
I get where you are coming from man, and I agree with the vid's points. But it isn't objective. I think it's very important we distinguish between what is presented in a calm, professional and informative fashion AND what is actually objective. ;)
There is no such thing as an objective stance and also a lot of parts of the story was missed out in this video.
@@kmk1225 I was a damn video game. What were those crackheads thinking? Also, this drama merely got more attention for Heartbound and the scummy corporation that is Pirate Software.
But hey
*Thats how mafia works*
oof
Yes, that is in fact how mafia works
Lol😂
You get a like cause I legitimately wasn't expecting that and it made me laugh
Jacksman big oof
i was so scared to watch this bc i thought it was gonna be something on him and Steph or smth
Pirate Software got a little too dramatic on this tbh
Ikr, Pirate Software should have just DMed MatPat about it and problem solved, but no, they had to make it public smh
I love how Matpat has literally never been involved in drama so the moment he makes a mistake on a live stream and a company throws a fit it becomes a "controversy"
He actually was involved in a bit of a drama before regarding Overwatch vs TF2. At least I remember people being angry at it, because there was a bunch of wrong information in it.
or maybe my memory is failing me
@@NoraNekos7 Too bad his white knights will deny it. A bunch of mindless sheep -_-
@@ChaudTheGamer it was a debate you fucking idiot it’s his opinion against another. It doesn’t matter what the debate is about it’s about a debaters skill trying to persuade an unbiased person.
@@ChaudTheGamer also it’s an *OPINION*
@@ChaudTheGamer what am I fucking doing it’s a Gacha avatar I’m fucking talking to a kid
It's really nice to see the way you guys decided to present this video. It's not biased or salty in any aspect. I just saw a lot of hate being directed to Game Theory due to controversy but you guys actually managed to make a video that is thoughtful and not really defending Matpat's action at the same time. Great work guys
I know!
They did an awesome job with this video on explaining.
Exacly i was like o so he made a oopsie and every fucking yt has to do a video about it sucha dick move my gosh i mean sure its anoying for a mistake to happen but also people unsubed bc off that well than nobudy must speak to me bc im worse in mistakes😗😗😗😗
Thank you! To be honest, It was getting annoying how everyone tried to get people to hate him like, I know how yall feel but people make mistakes, chill out!
I watched the stream and everyone was so mad, when I thought they were blowing it way out of proportion, so I thought the way they handled the video was great. Even tho Matpat should give credit when credits due, I still think it's not that bad and it was an honest mistake, but that doesn't excuse it either.
and it really puts the whole thing into perspective showing how people are making a bigger deal out of this than it needs to be. the guy didnt put a link SO WHAT? its not like he never mentioned the game's name, and never showed the title screen. its freaking easy to search up a game yourself. in fact, i never use links in video descriptions, im in a habit of google searching it myself BECAUSE not everyone does it. and they shouldnt have too.
January is a dead month anything exciting is acceptable
just play a hat in time
@Source90000 He's actually a pretty good guy, from what I can see. Fun personality on his video, several charity livestreams, heck, he saved a man's life. I'm not on his side on this particular controversy but he's not a 'scummy dumbass'. What makes you say this?
@Source90000 i just miss the old mat pat because it seems like he actually enjoyed his work
Yo right
You right
Man, people will make a mountain out of an anthill on anything now.
Um, actually it's "molehill" not "anthill" and you are literally the worst person in the world for getting this wrong.
(This is a joke btw, no hate)
;)
But yeah, no kidding.
@@leirawhitehart1236 Haha, yeah you know I've heard molehill a lot as I got older, but when I was a kid, everyone said anthill. Guess it's a location thing!
@@TreasureHunterLocke huh, well honestly, I've never heard of the saying until I watched that one episode of Phineas and Ferb. And I didn't even understand what it meant back then, but I DEFINITELY do now!
Did no one watch the Phineas and Ferb episode when when Doof's parents told him "don't make a mountain out of a molehill"
"You went too far this time." That last part of the tweet just bothers me. .-.
I still dont get that last line
“This time.” Who’s gonna tell Toby that MatPat and his team owe them literally nothing legally?
@@Joseh-le4yl .... what?
Does “this time” mean “I’ll sue you” in the U.S. or something?
Also like what the fuck are you even inferring here? All they said was essentially “do research and make sure you don’t mislabel games/their creators, you fucked up”
No idea why you think there’s a legal angle here...
@@riplix20 I don't remember what I was referring to, and I'm not going to rewatch the video, sorry.
But hey, that’s just a theory...
Omg hacker
A GAME THEORY
A FILM THEORY!!
Wtf you are literally everywhere
TealJax are you talking about me?
honestly..i dont remember ever looking for a game or..downloading a game by clicking a provided link..ive always looked for them myself...
Yeah specially since most UA-camrs have every single link shortened
I almost never touch the description box myself
Mattpat: *Doesn't even do anything that bad*
Toby fox: I'm about to ruin this whole man's career
Yeah, that was weird. Toby had no reason to say anything, but did anyway, as if he was some kind of moral high point.
@@videogamemusic2962 To be fair, doing that had a positive result. MattPatt respects Toby Fox, so him stepping in caused MattPatt to concede (change title, link game, etc.). And honestly even if MattPatt didn't necessarily have to do it, it was definitely the fastest way to end the controversy.
GiligamerMC yeah, I get that too. But I see a lot of people insulting MatPat because he apologised after Toby came in.
@@videogamemusic2962 Yes, I saw that too. People think it's hypocrisy when in reality is just a normal reaction. Not everyone who apologizes will do so immediatly, sometimes various factors affect a persons point of view. The fact that MattPatt didn't initially want to apologize doesn't necessarilly have to mean the apology is insincere.
I have no idea why Toby had to do that
i love all the fricken danganronpa music in the background?
im like, trying to focus and get the gist, but then i hear the faint "monononokuma.." and my fight or flight instinct is triggered
YOU REALLY JINXED IT STEPH
Diamond Blue Book XD your profile fits it
What happened?
ツAcidicAli777 grant says it
Zotken who”
ツAcidicAli777 It was in the video.
This is a Controversy? Someone has a minor slip of the tongue, are we really that bored?
Who in their right mind names their company "Pirate Software"? That's just...
LOL right?? That was my first thought too, makes it clear what kind of cretin the developer is.
Lol ikr the name is just..wtf
So wait, if their named “Pirate Software”, and they’re game is like Undertale, and they’re scared of it being compared to Undertale, then that means.......
I think that's just hilarious 😂
What’s wrong with that? I don’t see how it is a bad name
Next up: The Treesicle Controversy: The Story You Never Knew | Sicles do NOT grow on Trees!
A majority of games that I play I have learned about through GTLive. There are never any links to a game, no, but I'm also a competent human being and easily searched the game on Steam or on Google and found it with ease.
Hell, most of the popular UA-camrs I watch NEVER link the game in the description. Markiplier played Undertale and never linked it. I watch DashieGames and he never links any games he plays. Why is it such an issue that MatPat doesn't link a game?
As for his Live Stream, I instantly knew he wasn't calling Heartbound the next Undertale game, it was clear that he enjoyed the game so much that he considers it AS GOOD as Undertale. Wow, what an asshole MatPat is.
Counter argument :
I understand where you come fron yet there's a reason people give cards with their info on them instead of telling people to just *search you up*
Convenience is an important factor when it comes to advertising things and while you might be competent : most aren't
I agree with you 100% and I completely understand where the developers are coming from. If every other big gaming channel out there always linked a game in their descriptions, then of course I'd be like, "MatPat, wtf are you doing?". It just seems a bit ridiculous to me that MatPat is getting so much heat for this situation while nobody else really ever links a game in their description.
ColdnessAwaits Very cool, still a douchey move.
@@ColdnessAwaits Well just because everyone else are doing something doesn't make it right. I can agree on that Matpat shouldn't take sole responsibility, but sadly someone has to be the spark to start the fire and personally I believe that as a content creator who makes an earning by reforming others work they should always link to all the digital resources they use in their video no matter how much of a "unnecessary work" they think it is.
There's been multiple instances where I've heard a song or seen an image in a video and wondered where it's from but never found out and the same has happened to video games as well.
And to be honest linking to a single game or a couple of images is not that much work...
Sry for venting all of this on you, I know that I brought up some stuff that I don't know if you're either for or against.
@ColdnessAwaits Exactly
To a person: "It's okay, we all make mistakes like these from time to time."
To a person who's famous: "wOW I cAN'T bELIEVE tHAT tHEY dID tHIS tHING tHAT iS fORGIVABLE bUT bECAUSE tHEYRE fAMOUS tHIS iSNT fORGIVABLE!!1!!!1!"
Maybe if he owned up to it, it’d be fine. But he blames his editors. And if he has editors who edit his videos you’d expect there to be less mistakes! Small youtubers who make mistakes are partially excused
He didn't blame his editors, he pointed out that the thing he was being blamed for was completely out of his control. If they really made that mistake themselves, then there's no reason that May should have to take the blame for it, yet even so he took partial credit and said that he was partially to blame. And just because you have professionals doing something doesn't mean they're always going to do it flawlessly. Professional game designers accidentally let bugs into their games, professional doctors diagnosis things wrong, professional writers make grammatical errors. Whether you have 1 yeah of experience or 20, your not perfect, sometimes people need to accept that mistakes happen and quit trying to make as many accusation as possible about as many things as they can think of
'To a person: "It's okay, we all make mistakes like these from time to time."'
Please tell me you're joking... Please... Please tell me you're joking. The rest of your post is fine but that specific part... No. Not even remotely.
Actually, no it's not because at least if you're famous you'll have people actually stand up for you and defend you from the rabbid, unreasonable people. If you're not then you just have to sit there and deal with it. Even when you haven't actually made a mistake in the first place, the issue is entirely unrelated to you and you have no control over it at all. Even when the mistake belongs to that rabbid, unreasonable person in question you just have to take it and deal with it.
Reladox but dude MatPat is still to blame. You don’t just let your editors do something without checking it after. It’s a simple thing to do as he did it immediately after Toby Fox had to get involved. Just as you said before, editors don’t do everything flawlessly, that’s why Mat should get more involved with how his videos are made. And how can you say everyone makes mistakes but then go and say MatPat didn’t make a mistake nor did the editors, and they don’t have to listen to Pirate software since that’s not their responsibility.
*Other youtube clickbaits*
No controversy
*matpat clickbaits*
Everyone: REEEEEEEEE
Even this vid was clickbait lol
How dare Matpat use good marketing tactics to promote my product!
But it's not good marketing tactics for the game itself.
As someone who wants to make a game, that is inspired by undertale, and has elements from undertale, i don't want it to be compared to undertale.
Just because my game has similar concepts, and is inspired by undertale, does not mean it's meant to be another undertale. It is still meant to stand on its own.
Not only is it misleading to compare this to undertale, but by comparing this game to undertale it drives expectations way up.
On one hand It would be flattering to make a game and have it be compared to one of the best selling indie hits in recent history. Especially if you like that game a lot.
But that's where the problem is, is that it's one of the best selling indie games in recent history. Not only that, but it's also an incredibly well crafted game that struck a chord with a ton of people.
When people hear a game called the next Undertale, they're expecting a similar experience that will strike the same chords that undertale struck. When that game cannot deliver upon that, then the game doesn't do as well as it didn't live up to peoples expectations. People expected something as good, if not possibly better than undertale, and when the game didn't make them feel that way they consider the game disappointing.
Which is why Toby Fox himself, the creator of undertale, when talking about deltarune basically says that it's not another undertale. He doesn't want it compared to undertale because as he's said, he can't make something that will make people feel the way undertale made them feel ever again. He doesn't want people to have sky high expectations for deltarune and be disappointed because it's not like undertale.
So it's not good marketing. It would likely hurt the game in all honesty. It's better to let a game stand on it's own merit rather than piggyback off anothers success.
And not to mention, that even some people will then call it a rip off. Which no one would want their game to be called a rip off.
The only way this was good marketing, was for matpats own channel. Because it got him viewers. Which i understand UA-cam is a business after all.
But if we make that argument, we would be defending clickbait. Even if i can see the reason to clickbait, and make justifications, its still a shady business practice either way.
And finally, if matpat was doing all he could to promote the product. If he really liked it that much, and really thought this game needed more attention then why didn't he simply link the fucking game in the description?
Yes he's not obligated to do so, but if you want to try your hardest to promote a game and give the game attention, you would at the very least link people to it.
@@hyperacc6530 so where gonna act like tjoc didnt big pack off fnaf which then spawned hello neighbor/bendy/baldi all successffull games that really piggybacked off the fandom hell even undertale did u dont believe me just check who watching the videos/making them beside if ur gonna say a game inspired u and it has some of the same aspects what wrong with that honestly fortnite example pubg called them out look where they at now so all of this dum chapter is debunked also if youtuber arent sponsored they aernt force to put link
@@hyperacc6530 so you dont want tag of same game which you inspired which also sold millions to yor new *not famous with no sequels* interesting
@@hyperacc6530 bro, it's a spiritual successor type situation here (albeit made by someone else).
@@hyperacc6530: I know I'm late but as a fellow developer and also a gamer, let me tell you, if you don't compare your game to a game like Undertale when they are similar, particularly when your game was inspired by Undertale and is going for the same crowd, then you are doing your game a MAJOR disservice as it won't get nearly as much attention. This isn't bad marketing, it's GOOD marketing. I really hope you didn't release the game yet and fix your marketing plan.
...this is the big issue?
I can certainly see the errors of MatPat, but they just mistakes. An attempt to promote the game as the next Undertale, which, if memory serves, he did during the demo too, and the misnaming of the publisher.
Not linking the video feels like less of an issue to me, because, being honest, I very rarely check the blurb under the video. I'm sure some people use it, but you are genuinely interested, you'd go to google and look it up. If you can't be bothered, than your interest was only minor.
When I saw videos floating around I assumed something awful, like illegally downloading the game or mocking it unfairly. This, feels kinda petty.
people are just so fucking sensitive
And the hate mostly comes from people that already hate him to begin with.
Also, just want to give my little opinions here. Linking the game in the description doesn't really matter, they already get all the publicity they get from MatPat playing their game in front of 11k+ people. If said people are truly interested in it, then they will google it for themselves.
Sure the clickbait title is kinda cheap but in the end it worked for both of them. Mat had more people tuning in to his stream, while Pirate Software got a lot of attention from people who might be interested in the game because they like Undertale.
I'm sorry if this came out as rude to anyone, but honestly you guys (haters) are just jumping in on every opportunities you get to hate on MatPat and making it so that he was the bad guys. Honestly the drama is already over since both parties are equally satisfied. Mat already changed the title of said livestream to something which isn't too much of a clickbait, and on his newest stream he did put a link in his description if people want to play the game he's playing.
But he did give credit. While he mixed up there name he tried to give the publisher name and it's not like he didn't acknowledge this was someone else's game. It's human error, an honest mistake, that everyone is up in arms over. A mistake he already fixed and apologised for, so, what else do people want?
So here are MatPat's sins:
1) clickbait
2) discredit
3) no download link
4) getting defensive (until Toby contacts him)
Now let's look at how sinful they are, under the circumstances.
1) almost everybody on UA-cam uses clickbait. Go look at that Watermelon Movies movie trailers. As annoying as it is, clickbait is still harmless.
2) discrediting is a serious issue. However, I'm pretty sure the credits were in the game, which was being played in the video. So technically credit was there
3) download link. I personally never thought that was a necessity. If you know the name of the game, you can Google it to find the download link yourself.
4) I agree that's petty. But he said he'd revise it even before Toby stepped in, so who cares?
Everyone's acting like he did some permanent damage to an indie developer. Like...no. It's a UA-cam Livestream that's giving an indie game some attention. If I had a penny for every UA-camr that committed those four 'sins,' and nobody bats an eye at them, Bill Gates would ask me for a loan.
MelodicDragon97 A small loan of a million dollars?
@@AlphaWolf096Yes. Thank you, very cool
if anything this is going to leave a mark on Pirate Software's reputation
One more sin T E N F O O T T A L L W A R I O
Dude did you even listen to the damn video
i am so happy you made this video and explained everything that's going on from a very clear point. respect, a new subscriber for surew
Has there ever been LESS of a 'controversy'?
A streamer misspoke....12 minute video explaining it? What?
If this was a contractual arrangement between the game and MatPat there might actually be a story worth covering here. But since its not...this is just a youtuber entertaining people. End of story.
It’s one thing to criticize matpat, but another thing entirely to make a giant mountain out of this situation.
The Twitter mob is all like, In the words of Eminem, "You're a mole hill, now I'm about to make a mountain out of you.".
Finally someone in his right mind, sadly none of the furious mob will listen.
Love this video. Honestly don't understand all the hate the GT fam gets, generally speaking. Makes no sense to me.
Because his "theories" are shit, poorly researched if at all, he nit picks and cherry picks details to fit his theory and even straight up lies. And then labels anyone who points out his crap as a hater and just blocks everyone that doesn't swallow his BS. For example...
ua-cam.com/video/scXpQ5WSWHg/v-deo.html
Plutia's pet he’s said before that his theories are just for fun and don’t need to be taken seriously. Of course he nitpicks and whatnot, they aren’t “true theories” just very mathematical what ifs
In other words he proves you can spout bullshit, get popular and make good money doing so, and moronic fantards will defend it saying shit like you just did. News flash, all theorist channels do so for fun, but they still put in the work to make sure their theories areat least plausible. All Mat is doing is spouting bullshit on whatever happens to be popular without giving a shit.
@@blancfan1 he spends 100 hours on a theory it doesnt matter if it's good or not that's why it's called a "theory"
@@blancfan1 he spends 100 hours on a theory it doesnt matter if it's good or not that's why it's called a "theory"
Everyone freaked out over Heartbound, but then he does it with LISA, a amazing, dark game which is NOTHING like Undertale (say for a pixel art style) and suddenly its fine?
Outrage culture is irrational
*using the danganronpa soundtrack casually*
My mood has exponentialy shifted higher.
+1000 Hope points.
@@gameherom8091 -1000 despair points
*matpat makes a small mistake*
Internet: matpat has committed a sin he should go to hell!!!
Wow your really down playing this
That’s not a small mistake
Shy Geek Discrediting is a serious problem
It's really not that serious; it's not illegal.
@@cowmoo5596 he doesn't need to link it at all. He wasn't sponsored by them or given a key to the game from them. There's nothing illegal or wrong about it.
5:50 They wanted to get the game more exposure. So they stirred up drama to get publicity
Let's be real here, even with the screw up, he was doing them a favor overall. He still got the game's actual title (which is more important if the dev isn't well know) correct.
He then proceeded to fix the company name in the title, yet they STILL complain about private tags, which as you said HELP the game get attention.
I do not like MattPatt overall (although this makes me reconsider), but he is absolutely in the right here.
Given that it actively benefits them, I think it’s safe to assume they didn’t understand why the tags were there, and would be annoying because they just had to tell him to fix their name in his video.
It’s like you come home from work and whoever you live with was supposed to have cleaned, they took a while but finally got it done, you open the closet to put your coat away, and all the trash flies into your face.
Mind you that analogy/simile/metaphor/whatever doesn’t work with the actual context of what tags do, but I’d imagine that’s how they felt.
I wonder if your opinion of Mat changed due to recent events lol. Supporting Scott yet banning Toby with no videos of Deltarune since then makes him a petty shill.
THIS is the "controversy" I was lead here for?
God remind me never to be famous, internet celebrities are more scrutinized than college students in exam rooms.
Oh you're being so silly it's not that general, it's just that it's Game Theory so people need any excuse to talk shit about him
@@Marshall.R ya thats about it it's sad
God I hate how correct you are
When I read "controversy" I was expecting something like "Matpat is part of the KKK and burnt out a orphanage" or he tweeted something really awful. This was just unnecessary.
I honestly heard both sides of story being either "Oh,Matpat clickbated and wronged Pirate software." Or "Pirate software is just being salty that their game wouldn't be popular without Mat's stream." I think everyone should just drop the drama and get on with their everyday lives.
Edit:How did this get so popular?
Preach, tbh. The situation is resolved, there are worse things happening out there in the world, and everyone needs to chill the fuck out.
@Stanley Chen drama for something stupid is one thing, but HATE for something tiny is just plain stupid. Matpat was scared of posting another undertale theory because of the hate he got on the first one, one of his team members commited suicide, and now people are hating on him for something so tiny, which if ya don't know, can cause depression. Big shocker. It's just dumb that someone who meant no harm and just did his job gets so much hate for something everyone does. Clickbait, not linking in the description, saying names wrong, it's all common stuff.
but drama is awesome
@Garison DeCrick exactily
While I agree people should drop it..I like the fact that something small like this got brought up in the way it did.
Controversy is what ignites new ideas and desires, goals and inspiration. Hell drama derives from the idea of creativity and personal opinions.
So, while yes it's dumb, I'm glad people are taking part and picking a side on the matter
*Matpat does a good thing: No one really cares*
*Matpat makes any mistake: Let's spread it everywhere with videos for views!*
That goes for anyone. Negativity spreads more easily than positivity.
@Chris Mitchell I don't think he's talking about the original people who called him out, but all the people who made unnecessary content about it, trying to stir up shit
That just goes for anyone.
When someone makes a mistake people are able to take the high road and feel better about themselves because they're against this metaphorical "villain" an would never of done this bad thing he/she did! "Shame on him/her!"
And won't really care about anything good that person has done because it's not something where they can take the high road they simply have no place to assert themselves in the situation so they just ignore it.
You must be new to the internet. That's how Mafia works
Ikr
seems like a pretty tame thing to become a controversy.
Mat made a very simple mistake. It's not like he plagiarized someone's video and these Indie developers are whining like salty man babies over it.
do you even understand how hard it is for a indie game developer to stand alone and actually make money off their game. if their unknown even if their game is some best games out their they wont get that attention thus their business fails learn about marketing why dont you.
He actually got accused of plagiarism by LegalEagle. Check it out if you want. :o
@@michaelliggett1622 Learn about grammar why dont you.
@Perpendicular Pirate Software has already gotten all the attention but apparently it's not enough. They need to let the world know how irritated they are right? Like salty man babies.
Perpendicular Matt made one mistake and you continue to bash him. He even apologized for it and realized his mistake. Yet you continue to bash him. Give it a rest man. Matt has never done anything bad on GT ever. He doesn't deserve this hate.
Ironically all this drama is probably helping Heartbound so yeah...free attention for the game....
Wouldn't be surprised if that was the main intention with allof this from the Dev. He did work for Bethesda after all.
I know right?
@@yourresidentginger1245 I thought it was Blizzard?
All publicity is good publicity. You raise a fuss, people check out what was going on to cause it. GTA gets so much flak, but does better for it. Games like FNAF have theories about them and that causes people to get interested and play through. Games like Fortnite have... Free downloads and a lot of people doing it on UA-cam, so it must be good? 2/3, fair close enough.
@Ethan S true
I totally get the issue of clickbaiting the title - he shouldn’t have done that, even if the intent was altruistic. However, the issue of not linking the download to the game seems weird. As a viewer, I avoid video / stream descriptions like the plague because they’re often a wall of text usually just promoting merch. If I like a game shown in a vid, I google where to get it. Never have I not gotten a game because the link to the download wasn’t provided
Finally a smart comment instead of the dozen of shitty jokes on a very serious video like this
@@moxxym snowflake
Cocktails & Consoles And that’s you, if we use just you as the example them sure, but most of the time I’ll check the description for a link and if there isn’t I’ll probably forget about it, now with two examples can we assume half of people do what I do and half do what you do?
Jack Bevan I agree with cocktails and consoles so that makes 2/3. Let’s see how many we can get.
Same
TLDR: Company gets mad because they were compared to a game that inspired them to make their game.
I mean to be fair matpat mislead the game never linked it games need lots of support look at among us that game was made in 2017 and people just found it out
But Matpat wanted to clickbait the undertale fanbase to get more ad revenue and to mislead them of.trying to market this game as a sequel
@@staringcorgi6475 January : Exist
@@staringcorgi6475 What's the problem?
Man, if I were MatPat I would have just deleted the video and tweeted out "you know what, I actually wasn't a fan of the game, don't buy it!". Of course, I'm always ready to be petty.
UA-cam channels are not your personal marketing team, If you want better sales, maybe you should hire someone to drive those sales :/
Yeeees
Oh go fuck yourself, when someone else is using your product to pay their Bill's, and dont give credit where credit is sue, then the creator has a right to be mad.
Nick Forsythe just showing the game should’ve been enough credit on its own (and if you ask me, it’s more credit than Pirate games deserve). Those developers should be thanking MatPat rather than bashing him like the ungrateful bastards they are
Nick Forsythe Oh, you’re absolutely right! (This message typed on UA-cam App, on iOS, videos on my channel produced using Microsoft Windows and Adobe Premiere Pro)....
Oh damn I forgot to tell everyone at my work I was using Outlook for email- am I in big trouble now?
Do you let people know what HR software your using? Or do store music let you know the artist and name of song before it starts to play?
No? Then why would we hold youtubers to a different standard?
So you would steal content and then commit slander. You may cry fair use, but guess what fair use requires that you show no more than is required to make your Point so streaming a game is piracy pure and simple.
Matt Patt isn't 100% innocent.
But he isn't 100% guilty.
It’s like 50/50
@@greatestcrow2514 as someone who enjoy game theory I think this is the only accurate comment related toward this entire controversy.
It was a simple mistake. I honestly don't see the big deal. Just a statement, not trying to make anyone mad or come down on anyone
@@ktw6184 exactly... The whole ordeal was just unnecessary outbursted
@October Countryman not sure what you mean but if it's anything regarding keeping blaming mat pat for a very human mistake then please don't... That go for everyone that keep this controversy relevant still...
Everyone makes mistakes, but that doesn't mean that the internet needs to start an all out war over it.
Unless it's something the Paul Brothers did. THEN the internet can start a war over it
Tad Decker PREACH
5:50 - Well... if their objective is solely to gain more exposure, would't it make sense to make drama to gain even more, even if it is "unethical"?
EDIT: Like you said at 9:32
“The next undertale” is the same as saying “[blank] is the dark souls of [blank] games” Change my mind
Ah, a much more level-headed analysis of the situation.
I agree
Yeah. So true.
actually its seems biased on the complete otherside
The only biased thing I see here is your comment. He accused both sides and pointed out the mistakes made by MatPat and Pirate software, but he also stood up for both sides and pointed out all the ways they were wronged and the things they handled correctly. At the end of the video, neither side has been accused as guilty or presented as completely innocent, if that's not unbiased I don't know what is
I agree with you. It's always nice to see that my subscribed channels are interested in the same stuff that I am ( not that expect anything less from one of my favorite Bojack interpreters.) I know you got struck with some copyrights a few times yourself, I hope that gets better and stops happening. Keep up the good work with your channel- maybe I'll see you in another comment section.
Thank you for this. Honestly feels like everyone's gathering around MatPat like sharks who smelled blood, and for what? Because he didn't put a link in his description? Even Toby Fox was like "You went too far this time", and I'm like... Really? *Really?*
Yeah I agree. I have no idea why Toby Fox felt obligated to get involved in any of this.
People already didn't like Matpat. This isn't about what he did. This is just an excuse to make him look bad to most people. Although don't get me wrong he did mess up but it's not as bad as people made it out to be.
Raiden Vakarian Some people are doing it just to get at him, but others a smoking him so hard because he’s such a big UA-camr who practically threw a hissy on Twitter with his lavish and petty response. As many people are saying, it was a small mistake which is understandable but he’s the one who blew the whole thing out of proportion by making things public and fueled. None of this stuff was mentioned in the video which, I believe at least, was a major contributor to the hate surrounding him. The way he acted was overly childish... and Toby Fox probably said he had gone too far because of Mats overblown reaction and desperation to cover up his mistake as fast as possible without really resolving it. That’s what people are mad about
Pirate Software made it public though?
Because, on the face of it, people were being led to think Toby created Heartbound, and Toby is very much the kind of person who wants small creators to get the credit they are due, and especially not get dragged into controversy.
He didn't wade into something he wasn't involved in, he felt he was already involved because of MatPat's video treating it like an Undertale-related game. And he didn't like the idea of defending not giving credit.
Using the Dangan soundtrack for something this insane is absolute genius. Well done sir.
Hearing the Danganronpa music made me hype while watching the video.
Thanks.
MatPat’s hair is the real crime here.
This. I don't know what the fuck he was thinking. Is he like, trying to go for the edgy teenage girl crowd?
I haven't seen Mat in years. Stopped following him and all that. My god that hair. Trying to emulate Mark or Pewds? Rofl so stupid. And then people say he's clever. Y sure... :D XD
He dyed his hair as part of a reward for a charity stream. If the donations reached a certain amount, the viewers got to choose what color MatPat had to dye his hair and they chose red and green.
Actually he dyed his hair because of a Mental Health charity livestream, they did in december. If they got enough donations, Mat would let the Game Theorist community choose what colour to dye his hair, and as you can see, the popular vote was red and green (probably because of the Game Theory and the Film Theory colours). So no, MatPat’s awful hair isn’t actually his own choice.
George de Vries Just cause someone dyed their hair badly for charity, that really doesn’t make them stupid...
When grant goes into lawyer mode, and dangan ronpa starts ringing in my ears i feel the urgent need to pay attention to the facts.
Thanks for this! I hadn't even heard of Heartbound until this whole controversy blew up (and now that I've seen a bit of it, I don't have much interest. The devs acting like the next iteration of early-access is a "full game" doesn't bode well) but I know that people have a long history of attacking MatPat over things that, really, shouldn't be that big of a deal. I think it's simply a case of something (GT, specifically) being popular, and it being "cool" to hate on popular things.
Take the whole Undertale debacle. MatPat made that now infamous "is Sans Ness?" video a while back which proposed a fun, if pretty unlikely idea that Sans was the undead, time-shifted version of Ness from a different universe. Personally, I thought the connections were interesting and the video itself was entertaining. But the amount of hatred the video garnered baffles me _to this day!_ I mean, MatPat gets things wrong, a lot (just watch his video on For Honor, for reference) but so what? He churns out huge amounts of content every week for entertainment purposes, of course he's going to make mistakes.
Then there was all that business with giving Undertale to the pope. A bit silly, sure, but hardly what I'd consider reason to fucking _riot._ But now that Toby Fox himself is taking pot shots at MatPat for doing something that literally 90% of the YT content creators are effectively _forced_ to do thanks to YT's shitty algorithms? That was hugely unnecessary. I get that Toby probably dislikes his game being used as clickbait, but that's too fucking bad for him! He made a popular video game, people are going to capitalize on that popularity! He can fucking cry about it into his piles of money for all I care.
This whole "controversy" is a non-issue being blown out of proportion. It's a bunch of whiney game devs taking shots at a big UA-camr because of a bunch of semantic bullshit. MatPat's video did nothing but earn Heartbound more popularity, which it sorely needed. But instead of saying "thanks for featuring our game on your livestream" the developers decided to kick up a big stink because MatPat got their name wrong and they think GT's viewing audience is too dumb to use google.
Is clickbait deceptive? Sure. But that's not a problem with MatPat, it's a problem with _UA-cam._ MatPat uses clickbait for the same reason thousands of content creators use it; they pretty much _have to._ You want to get pissy about clickbait, get pissy at UA-cam, not the poor schmucks being forced to use it just to stay afloat.
Murderers: Hey
Community: What's up
Matpat: H-
Community: *BURN IN THE FIRES OF HELL*
Maybe it should been like this
Matpat : Hello internet
Community : *BURN HIM IN HELL*
I didn’t even know this was going on, but I side with Treesicle. He’s just doing his job on an unforgiving platform. It’s hard to make it here. We’re all human, we make mistakes, but if you’re important and you make a mistake. SHAME! It’s stupid.
Look, MatPat isn’t 100% innocent of all charges. He did make a mistake. However, the Internet is cracking down on him way harder than what the problem is worth. But, that’s my opinion.
Thanks for the vid, guys! I appreciate you trying to spread light on the subject. :)
*But that's just a theory, a MatPat theory!*
Actually tree left out a huge part of it which is matpats attatude through it
He was extreamly rude to pirate studios simple simple request to just link them and change the title
He only did it once Toby(someone who makes mat a large sum of money) told him too
Do you see the issue?
@@AVAL2775 well it understandable when you get call out on something you act really rude because people hate being wrong even when you give fact they still hate it ,that why flat-earther and anti-vaxx are a thing ,people can let their pride get the better of them
@@diooverheaven4317 Exactly! At that point he knew shit already has went down and it's no use talking as it will only get worse. So he right away apologised.
Dimonds 456 I’m 100% on MatPats side he got made a mistake like all people do
Pirate Sofware: Pirate Software is our name
MatPat: Pirate Games is the name
Pirate Software: MaTPAt HoW cOuLd YOu
😂😂😂
Scampo12 Damn i havent laughed at a joke in a while, thanks man
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Pirategames would have been better game company name tbh
@@Taffoman honestly Pirate Software sounds like they are going to commit Piracy
This is the dumbest “drama” I’ve ever seen on YT smh people just wanna hate on MatPat
I really like how you covered this topic. You looked at both sides of the story and didn't give a clear bias in this situation. You just earned yourself a new subscriber!
At least he didn't film a dead body :)
Damn 100 likes? We lit fam
Or promote gambling to kids
shhhh...
don't talk about them, you might summon the fanbase...
Or manually copyright claim a video bc it showed you in a bad view.
Or host a poorly made convention that leave kid dying in hot weather
SOMMONING COMPELETE
I don’t understand. Why didn’t the game developer DM matt or him contact via any other way telling him that he fucked up? Like simply list the things they weren’t satisfied with and to fix, and knowing mattpat, he would graciously fix them? Why did they have to make a tweet about it when it could’ve been rectified privately? I’m not saying Matt was in the right, clearly he wasn’t if it made the creator upset. I just feel like it wasn’t that necessary to openly call him out like that. Now if Matt was a dick and refused to do as they asked, oh sure call him out! Use the Dm’s or any other way you’ve talked to him as proof. Like holy shit he fucked but this is A LOT
This is my main issue with this hole thing. Making a public tweet essentially calling Matpat a disappointment over things that he would most likely be happy to fix, makes the devs look like assholes to me
Maki Ruby Rose like you guys are adults. Act like one! Talk to each other first before running to social media and causing so much drama over a fuck up. This is like the bottom of the barrel when it comes to someone doing something wrong. At least in My opinion at least
I agree with this thread. Don’t get me wrong, I still respect all the parties involved and love all their work, but using social media of all things to rectify this situation? When it easily could have been settled in a more private matter?
Makes all of them look a little childish, huh?
Joel Gibson it really does. I still respect both as well, but It kinda gives of an air of pettiness to me. ( from the creator honestly) I wish it was handled differently but unfortunately this is going have to run its course, and will change a lot of people opinions on mattpat and the creator
Edward Roylover Yeah, you’ve got a point. Even though it’s only an opinion, I think MatPat will suffer the most, because people were already willing to crap all over him. Toby and Pirate Software haven’t had that issue, so they don’t get much of the hate.
The amount of people defending matpat when an indie dev was upset that his small game was called "the next undertale game" is kinda gross. Especially when he got the developer name wrong lmao. Im glad that the game and the developer (he streams) are both gaining a lot of positive traction now.
And yes I know this is a 4 year old controversy and I'm grave digging here lmao. It was just surprising that people reacted this way largely just because they know one name and didn't know the other.
@@hamsamech8399I'm also kinda just looking back at this stuff, so you're not the only one.
Tbh, I think it's more the opposite. It feels more like there was a bit too much ego from the game dev than anything.
The only actual point that really made sense in the initial callout was the slight clickbait (wasn't even the malicious kind either). The other points made felt like extremely minor issues at best and non-issues at worst (the tags in the description and the link to the steam page especially). The tags really didn't matter (as it was for SEO purposes to help boost the game's reach against YT's algorithms) and demanding a game link feels absurd when it's a paid steam game with an easily searchable/rememberable name like Heartbound (spreading the name itself is really all that is needed since it's simple enough).
The whole getting compared to Undertale and Toby Fox thing as well. That would've ended up happening with or without Matpat given the similar designs and how much of Heartbound was inspired by Undertale and Earthbound. So, the callout just ends up feeling unnecessary and a bit ego driven. Toby enabling it didn't really help at all either.
Kinda a shame really, as I was really looking forward to the Early Access updates back then, but this unnecessary "controversy" really ruined my love and anticipation for the game.
This was from 5 years ago and they moved on from it
@@SteveM7Nexus demanding a link was bad, but so was comparing it to a different game the entire time. If I spent years of my life making a complex painting only to have it described as "this is like that other painting" id probably be upset too I'm ngl. I think they were both in the wrong and they've both moved past it at this point
@@MusuemBucket then why did you comment? I know it's old drama. I literally said that in my reply.
The Danganronpa music is top tier for talking through these long circuitous scenarios. Thanks for the video.
They're using Danganronpa music :o
J Arroyo Gamer copy strike maybe?
@@elexceer6226 Article 13 *cough* *cough* xdxddd
Ikr
My PTSD is acting up now
I've noticed that in a number of their vids
Honestly what the developer did steers me away from the game. If someone was going to download it, they could’ve easily searched it on steam. Not many people are gonna change their mind just because there’s no link. I also don’t think Toby fox should have stepped in with that tweet, as it just caused more anger.
-uncle fester 2019
Agree and if someone to lazy to do it and wines about can just get a life you know Lol
I agree with you. I too am less likely to buy the games from either developers due to their actions on twitter. Similarly, the whole deal around "oh, you should have linked in the description"...ummm, no. Maybe you, as the developer, should have considered a better promo strategy.
@Ragiru The Trap Salad Yeah but ever fan games can become a reality later, and can even out do the original. Heart bound is like a fan game since it's a game inspired by undertale that the developer are a fan of. Same as undertale itself since it's a game inspired by earthbound which toby fox was a fan of. Really many games are kind of like fan games.
True that
@@izac103 You mean too lazy to
MatPat made an honest mistake when saying Pirate Studio’s Name; Pirate Games isn’t even that far off! The tags were with good intent, even if they were misconstrued. I feel as though Pirate Studios blew this whole thing out of proportion, and it went way too far.
Thanks for making this video; all the others were just bashing MatPat for his simple mistake. MatPat has made mistakes before, and he’s always immediately dealt with them appropriately and in a timely manner. Before watching this video, I didn’t understand why this time was different than all the others, and because you actually went into detail about it instead of calling MatPat out with no evidence, I finally understand why. He didn’t do much because there wasn’t much he could do. What had been done was done, and no amount of links would fix it without more people calling him out. He apologized, and he moved on. It was what he could do in the situation.
OMG THATS CRAZY wooooow how DARE YOU MATPAT you said GAMES instead of STUDIOS and also put UNDERTALE IN THE TITLE?????UNDERTALE!to a game extremely similar to undertale! UNSUB
Yeah, because some people wanna start controversy to gain attention instead of talking about it on the Livestream instead of blowing the shit up on the internet.
@ViskaDrake It's obviously Pirate Arts.
I hate that Pirate Software immediately went to social media instead of messaging MatPat privately. Pretty unprofessional if you ask me. If that would happen everytime someone would have a problem with someone else, there'd be a lot more controversies about a lot more people.
Tell that trump lol
even if they email matpat, they will not take an action until toby call them out. so yeah
I think that Pirate Software WANTED Matpat to mess up so they could stir controversy, even looking at their game it gives real heavy Undertale vibes, so I don't really like this company for how they are handling things. They are using controversy to promote an unfinished game, they are named too closely to a phrase like "Pirating games" for me (which i think is why MatPat made the mistake), they snapped at MatPat for some pretty minor issues when you factor it was a LIVE show and they posted a link in the chat.
They were WAY to harsh on MatPat for a live-video if this was one of his NORMAL theory videos THEN I understand their reaction more, but it wasn't MatPat didn't edit, he didn't need to do hours of research, he just played a game and said the wrong thing.
Yeah I think it's just a manufactured controversy. Matpat is likely in on it.
I doubt he did it to stir up controversy, one only has to watch his streams to know he’s not that kind of person. Im in the Pirate Software Discord I can tell you a lot of the community was upset with the move but didn’t have the presence that Thor had to call MatPat out. I don’t think it’s wrong to call someone out if they do something your against. This is definitely not the first time MatPat has misled people though his thumbnails, titles and tags, and a lot of people were already upset with him on this issue. Do I think it’s a bad thing to call him out on that? No. No I don’t. As much as I love MatPat’s content what he did was out of line. And I’m glad this made him change his ways and I hoping he continues to take what happened here seriously.
Pirate software is a really... really bad name for a game company. Irrelevant to the video but just... why?
Lucarioly Just gonna go pirate some software, don't mind me.
@@serentique "Pirate Software, please buy our games"
Pirate Software? Moar like... Pirate Software.... wut.
I thought it was suppose to be a joke, though? Like, "Hah, let's make our company name Pirate Software.. hehehe *SNORT*"
It's a message to pirate software
Matpat just told me to Pirate a Game. I can't get sued now cause he warped my younge and fragile little mind.
What do you mean by that?
I'm only 2:30 minutes in and I already love you. I thank UA-cam for its Recommendations system. Subscribed!
This definitely cleared things up, I have a soft-spot for Game Theory and while they did make some mistakes, they definitely don't deserve the hate and trouble all of this caused.
Nice danganronpa music, I love that game
Yeah, was thinking the same thing
Yeah, same 👌
I was literally about to comment the same thing
Same
Yee
Oh, I love the way you articulate your points here. Actually changed my mind on it, not that I was too informed or passionate about the subject to start with though.
I never knew about this controversy! Thanks to your video I get the story. Thank you!
It's so refreshing to see a non-biased point of view for this. I love MatPat, but as an artist I know how harmful it is to not give credit to something when the person making the content is a small creator. I feel like everyone is looking for controversy, especially when it comes to Game Theory or PewDiePie. News Outlets and blind people will ignore every good thing they've ever done, even if it outweighs the bad. I don't condone Matthew's actions, or the actions of anyone else on the GTLive team, but the whole thing has been blown out of proportion and it's now just... a nuisance.
A link to your product is not an obligation... Lmfao this world
Is that all he did? By the way people were blowing this out of proportion I thought this situation was way worse. Everyone is being over dramatic
Well... if you are a part of UA-cam's ELITE producers, MatPat in this case, you shouldn't do any. He is considered a pro in his field of work no? With a very large fanbase. Just as a surgeon is expected to treat the patient correctly since he has a damn doctor's degree, the same goes for high ranking successfull UA-camrs. No, he doesn't get a pass. Not here and not ever no matter how small or big the mistake is. Now as for the people overblowing this... yes you have the point. But you know how the world works. The majority of all those simple minded peasants... just have a lot of free time on their hands. In other words, their lives are meaningless so they make a fuss about what is available.
@@georgedevries3992 you cant compared a surgeon to a youtuber wtf?😂😂😂 and instead of trying to keep that last sentence going you could've just said, "everyone now a days search for small things to complain about" and that would've fit your whole paragraph in less than 12 words. Dont be so wordy.
Jaxon_OC Landroche22 I agree
What else is new.
Well. Thats just how the internet is. Honestly its pretty stupid reason to start a drama for a description which i and probably a lot of ppl NEVER look into.
Heartbound REMOVED the mention of Undertale from their website!!! D:
Lol. PirateGames is so victimized by the comparison they made.
I enjoy behind the camera views that are told as entertainingly as this. Well done Treesicle.
Extremely harmless issues blown out of proportions to help fuel sales... It's kind of a shame, really. I love the art style but I probably won't pick up the game (which is only early access anyway) just because the developer had to make a scene. Maybe in a few months once the bitter taste in my mouth dies down.
I was thinking the same thing. I watched Jacksepticeye play the demo, so I was looking forward to it but now I'm reconsidering.
@@TheLadyLiddell thats the irony of this entire thing, they are pulling an EA, "any publicity is good publicity" thing, instead, they will be know as the company that makes a big deal out of a slip up, which will cause a blow to their sales
This is the drama I've been ignoring? People need to get a life.
You said it Nibber. :)
That and ppl need to get their logic straight.
Misrepresenting a game. Tags yes. That is fine. Going as far as to have the entire title mislabeled and creating excuses instead of simply apologizing is unprofessional. Since MatPat wants to treat his chanel like a business. He is going to face the wrath of a messup like a business. Had he apologized and promptly fixed the issue, none of this would have gotten as out of,hand as it did. Instead MatPat blamed those managing the channel (his fault for improper training and he is the boss...), and deflected the issue right up until Toby called him out on it. Only then did he actually start apologizing and did something about it. That's just bad business no matter how you look at it.
@@KorgCrimson Let me tell you why what he did was 100% justifiable (I've had a good discussion with lots of ppl today). The issue is that it linking the game is NOT an obligation like Pirate Software and everyone else is making it out to be. It's like me buying something at the store and showing it off a bit. They'll ask me if I like it. I say yes. If they ask me to link it in the description, I can CHOOSE whether to do so or not because they are NOT sponsoring me (if they are, then that's a different story). If they make a big deal out of me not doing it, I'm never showing off the product again 'cause the last thing I want is drama. Me showing off the product is me doing you a PRACTICAL & ETHICAL FAVOR for you doing me no PRACTICAL favors (since I paid you; that was all). An eye for the 2 eyes I'm already giving you. Once again, I already paid you. That was all. It was not a requirement that came with buying said product. If that were the case, everyone would be linking every piece of their gaming rigs in the description for just using/talking a bit about it. It would be an illogical thing. But that's my take on the matter.
@@KorgCrimson It would also be a different story if it was FREE. Then, it would be that person giving me 2 eyes (the ethical gaming experience AND with no practical benefit to them). As a result, showing their work off and linking it would only be fair.
Bad publicity is still publicity ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
maybe. but this has also left me not wanting this now. i was debating on it after watching MatPat and other play it. but we will see. its now to the bottom on my wish list
Yes but it also makes yourself look bad when it’s petty to this extent. And the fact they mad over something that isn’t even a full game is even worse
Draico Storm yeah but since everyone thinks they’re the good guys it doesn’t matter how they look.
Thank you for clearing this up. I appreciate your investigation and explanation. Thought you could use a ray of sunshine in the comments.