FINALLY FREE DRUM BATTLE MIKE MANGINI VS MIKE PORTNOY || DREAM THEATER
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- Опубліковано 18 лют 2022
- FINALLY FREE DRUM BATTLE MIKE MANGINI VS MIKE PORTNOY || DREAM THEATER
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Mangini is insanely impressive and versatile. I love to see him play. However, it was Portnoy who designed the rhythmic concept of virtuosity for Dream Theater. Congrats for both!
Portnoy WAS dream theater.....
Both are great drummers. But in favor of the music I personally prefer the more musical playing of Portnoy. Mangini (especially 1st solo) plays polyrhythmic, kinda mathematic stuff. No question this is drumming on highest level but for me no pleasure to listen to.
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Actually no. Magini isn't versatile and all round drummer as Portnoy. It's not even a competition. The amount of grove and jazzy melody Portnoy can create is out of thinking for Magini. Otherwise he's a beast technician that's it
@@MH-hs7ie Portnoy suck at Jazz
Mangini is drummer of dream theater, mike portnoy is dream theater
I extremely agree.
A band with Portnoy is my beloved DT. The current DT is just in the name of DT, but not the true DT.
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iam agree w/you👍👍👍
Mike portnoy its a true dream theater👍👍👍
You spelled Petrucci wrong.
Petrucci*
Mike Mangini is an excellent drummer. Mike Portnoy besides being an excellent drummer, he was the one who created the rhythms of the band's best songs. As a drummer, I had a huge admiration for Portnoy, I would say he was the soul of the band and I consider him better than any drummer. More respect for those who think otherwise.
Portnoy always serve the song more than Mangini does. Mangini is defo more technically advance imo, but he lack that spark that Portnoy has. I Agree that Portnoy was the soul of DT
Itu hanya emosionalmu yang berbicara.. ttp Mike Mangini yang lebih pantas untuk band skelas dream theater dalam hal pertunjukan..
@@obitampangallo6958 Jauh sm portnoy lh. Lebih hidup band nya, bkn masalah skill sih, tpi gmn enakin lagu. Yg lain jdi asik semua mainnya. Klo yg sekarang petrucci ny ikut2an down jdi ny mainnya, sound nya beda.
Portnoy never forgets that he's playing FOR the song. Even his Polyrhythms are in line with the overall song's mood and feel (is his song after all), and he always align his accents with the rest of the band. Mangini, on the other hand, while technically impressive, kind of forget about the song and the band while showing off his - more diverse - polyrhythmic improvisations. I find Portnoy's ending much more enjoyable.
Exactly. Mangini is an extremely talented drummer and he hits like a machine, but sometimes he feels a bit soulless whilst Portnoy tends to spice the song instead of showing off. One of the best Portnoy moments is the title track Octavarium. He treats the whole 24-minute song as a piece of art instead of a showcase opportunity.
Everything comes full circle I guess, because I remember thinking Portnoy sounded robotic and sterile compared to Peart on that Rush tribute he played on.
Both are out of this world and have their own touch and brilliance and just I don't know what to say. Gifted musicians.
Para mi sigue siendo el Rey de los Tambores y Percusiones el Majestuoso MIKE PORTNOY
I am a long time Dream Theater geek I absolutely love these guys. I have seen them from the beginning - Majesty - and been to many of their concerts and while Mangini is a very good replacement for Portnoy, there is nobody like Mike Portnoy. His skills, his chops, how he showboats and makes it so much fun to just watch him play you can feel how much he loves it and he clicks with the band in a way that maybe Mangini will get to in time. Both incredibly talented musicians but if I have to choose I will take Portnoy everyday as my favorite. With the caveat that I am absolutely not discrediting Mangini's skills he is amazing too.
I would disregard Maginin's skills. He ruined the parts in the 1st and 2nd round with that out of sync rubbish. What a major L. Portnoy takes the phat W round 3 and 3 with his musicianship.
It's uncanny how their different style resonate with it so differently. Since this part was written with Mike Portnoy, it's impossible to not notice how his style is way more complimentary to the piece no doubt.
Mangini sounds like addictive drums and Portnoy like a human playing.
Me listening to Portnoy: "wow that is so beautiful, I'm so pumped"
Me listening to Mangini: "omg wtf is happening"
Yeah music is not about the skill or performance. Is about how you phrases and pump it up the song, make it lived.
Dear God. Best musicians on the planet. I hope people can appreciate how difficult this is and how easy they make it look.
O feeling que portnoy passa é absurdo. Quando ele levanta mesmo. É muito legal ver isso no músico, essa alegria de tá tocando.
While they are both excellent drummers, I always preferred Portnoy. His playing is not just perfectly technical, but also so much more musical that Mangini's, he really adds to the richness of the song, while Mangini just fills the rhythm part.
Yup....
What's weird is that for me, I prefer on over the other depending on what they're playing.
I feel like Portnoy translates better live what's on the album. He doesn't hold back and this makes for a very consistent drums sound. He doesn't quiet down when playing the complicated stuff, which is where I prefer him. If Mangini played those parts with a similar authority things might be different for me because I really enjoy Mangini's drum parts.
I'm observing th because I want take sure I can translate with the clarity and power of Portnoy with some of the "headier" things Mangini does.
I love them both though....
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Mangini by FAR
I agree with you re. the musicalness(?). I think (and could be wrong) that MM plays with higher tension on his drum skins - hence being more percussive and less 'note-like' when compared to MP.
What happened on August 30, 2000 will never be repeated, nor can the MP itself reproduce that magical solo in recent years. Without a doubt, only the MP from the 2000s could perform such a remarkable solo and provide us with an album that, in my opinion, is one of the greatest rock albums in history.
Portnoy was the heart of the band. Almost every album with him was a masterpiece. He is a great songwriter not only a drummer. Mangini is a perfect super-duper nano drum machine who never makes a mistake and a good smiling fellow who never conflicts and plays whatever he’s said
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Spot on
Mike and the greatest metal drummer of all time. He was the soul of the dream theatre. His technique his game his inspiration have no equal to this day. He makes his drums sing nobody has ever pushed the limits so far from the simple domain of percussion. Total respect to this great artist.
The 2000 Live Scenes from New York has no rival.... DT is my life, I cannot deny that Mangini has brought some new elements to the band, I even think the band itself has had several crisis in terms of creativity and musicality these past years. I stay with the Portnoy era forever and ever!!!!!! That's the only thing that I can truly rely on!!!!
DT + MP = John Bonham
DT + MM = Neal Peart/Virgil Donati
I personally like the Neal Peart vibe DT oozes at the moment.
"crisis in creativity". Well said!! I agree 100 percent
@@ironmaiden1236541 I think DT flourishing with Mangini. Not only does Petrucci have full creative control in the song writing, Mangini adds rhythmic possibilities that Portnoy could not offer.
@@pipps1158 U smoked bad weed on this one buddy.
@@pipps1158 As a Transatlantic and Neal Morse fan, I prefer Portnoy playing music with Morse rather than DT at this moment. This schedule allows him to work on different projects and contribute ideas to different genres and bands. Plus, being under Neal Morse's guidance, he managed to grow as a musician, he can truly sing now and sound pretty decent.
I'm not sure how you can compare two drummers fairly with material written by only one of the drummers? Mangini isn't a perfect Portnoy replica, but he is a phenomenal drummer and brings his own positivity and talent to the music they write, he is class to watch live and he means the band can keep going, if Portnoy had got his way the band would have gone on hiatus.
I'm totally agree with you
Yeah, I don't care for Mangini when he's trying to adapt Portnoys parts to his own style, but I really dig what he's done when he's writing from scratch. Definitely an unfair comparison.
They needed the Hiatus and frankly need Portnoy, Mangini is a great technician but Portnoy always was and will be a better feel drummer.(lets also not forget that Dream Theater was Portnoy's band...huh? I bet he was surprised as hell they kicked him to the curb)
Agree with Louis especially on the material part. I think the only “fair” comparison is if DT create a song which its material was written and played by Mangini, and then have it played again with Portnoy. But… not sure if it will ever happen.
Someday maybe??
The band should have gone on hiatus.
Both are fantastic drummers worthy of legendary accolades…
It's pretty obvious to me who the winner has always been !!
Mike Portnoy was the Soul of DT period...
After his departure nothing was ever the same again , and these guys know it ...
thank you Mike for all those years of service not only on DT but at the other projects like OSI much gratitude I pledge myself to thee....
If you try to compare 2000 live at NYC you re just wasting your energy, it’s really difficult to reach such level of synchronization with your instrument until you become able to do anything you want without actually disturbing your bandmates. MP is that kind of drummer, he can play it the way he wants but still, add to the music such an irreplaceable touch.
No se puede comparar la última versión del video, el Live Scenes from NY Miike Portnoy es inigualable insuperable. Ningún tema que toque ahora DT sin Portnoy es igual, le falta gran parte de lo que era.
estaba en su prime, epoca liquid tension, gold...vuelve con DT, una locura
The Portnoy Metropolis Finally Free performance is, to this day, my favourite drum feature section of any musical performance I’ve witnessed. It’s arguably been the most influential live performance of my musical career. DT just isn’t the same without
MP.
Yeah DT now days is terrible, the sound not joined each other's, because is drums man. Drums is the soul of the band. If drummer weak, all would join to weak performance.
Portnoy e a Bateria é igual Tony Stark e a Armadura ❤️ uma intimidade sem igual, junto com a explosão de musicalidade é surreal.
Love both MIKES. Much respect to those 2. As a drummer myself of over 40 years now I am blown away by thier styles. Mike M is a studio drummer God. Always was always will be. Mike M. In his younger days was a showman. Check out some stuff of him with Stevie Vai. Crazy skills. Mike P. Is a DRUMMERS DRUMMER. God blessed him with skills. Par none better on a live stage. A crowd getter. Have been blessed to see to ERAs of Dream theater. Love both but Mike P. Wins. Hows this for mind blowing. Both Mikes respect each other. Hows about dual drummers for Dream Theater? The hurt has eased somewhat, Mike P and dream theater are on good terms. Just realize. The great ones only come once in a lifetime.
Coverdale and Gillian, both are the best vocalist in the past, Portnoy and Mangini are also two of the best drummers in the world, that's it 😇🙏👍
Portnoy é magnífico, sabe dar sentimento ao solo, me faz arrepiar a cada batida... Os dois são monstro mas o Portnoy brutal em suas performances
Exatamente isso. Portnoy não é um software de bateria, kkkkk!
Pois é tu viu a plateia quanto o Mangini fazia as viradas com pedais duplos todos parados nenhum pulando agora pôe os vídeos com o Portnoy todo mundo pulando
Mangini came past his prime ..
@@SativaOliverPô cara, aí também tu quer demais. 😂 O Portnoy fez história na banda, não importa quem venha depois, o público sempre vai escolher o membro original. Por isso sempre achei que substituir um membro icônico de uma banda é um trabalho ingrato, não importa quão bom você seja, o público jamais vai admitir que você foi tão bom quanto o original.
@@andradepscBom, levando em consideração que pra soar como um software você precisa ser muito bom, tem que ter estudado muito, eu diria que o Mangini tá indo razoavelmente bem. 😅
I have noticed the writing style changes in DT with Mangini behind the kit now and I have to say I REALLY like the direction DT has gone. The new DT stuff seems more Djenty and industrial, seems to fit Mangini's playing. I feel like people tend to view Portnoy as being more organic and Mangini as more regimented. Either way I love them both for different reasons. Just like steak and cheesecake 🙂
Yup.... Jordan has more say these days ...
really!??? I feel the opposite! The riffs were way better years ago. TOT is the RIFF record.
@@wjveryzer7985 TOT was for sure their heaviest album - that was my go to album for a long time. but their newer stuff kind of gives me a Fear Factory vibe
Mangini is a technical perfection with amazing speed and flawless time keeping. I find Portnoy more creative and I find him more dear and near to my heart. However, IMO Mangini’s London concert version is pure awesomeness, and I find it to be the best version among the ones stipulated in this video. That being said, I find Portnoy’s original album version to be the best version overall.
Naw you need mental health
You're two is a monster.. Amazing 👍
I love both and it is crazy how 1 band had 2 of the best top 10 drummers of all time!!!
And then there's Pearl Jam with 4 or 5 ;)
and by the name of Mike 😂😂
only 2 of the best top 10 "Prog metal" drummers of all time!!!
You have to suck at drums to say something so idiotic.
@@ChunkyPuke4me Dave Abbruzzese is the only good drummer of PJ.
Portnoy adds feeling and context to the music, Mangini feels like a drum machine with DT playing in top of it.
does he though? With some of Mangini live performances I feel as though he's playing a completely different song than the rest of the band.
So original. Let me guess, you praised Portnoy's drumming on Petrucci's first album when it wasn't even him?? Probably.
The live scenes Finally Free outro is like confortably numb solo from the pulse album. It can't be matched even from MP or david Gilmour themselves
I love the sound of Portnoy's drum so much, especially the snare, like it's the perfect drum sound/tuning ever
thats truth
Agree
... always clock mine in to MP's ol' Tama kits
Anyone know where I can get a Metropolis 00 jersey like what MP is wearing in his second performance of this video.??
By far I think Mangini is one drummer in this category of music who is very open to share techniques to all beginners and has brought many new elements to DT. Mike just love what he loves doing and I thank him for setting the benchmark. Both drummers deserves our respect 🤟
Let's just say...that I'm glad I saw the original 'Scenes' tour in 2000.
hats off to mangini for playing the most difficult songs ever written. and bravo to portnoy for his contribution to the band writting dt's songs. and now, when can we see portnoy playing mangini's creation?
Mangini é um baterista dinâmico e fantástico, porém, o Portnoy muito mais experiente e técnicas assustadoras !!!!!
Mangini merece onde está, mas não é o mesmo quando Portnoy assumia o DT !!!!!
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Both are amazing musicians & drummers, that's it!
I have been a Dream Theater fan from their beginnings, in fact I was drawn to the band because of Mike Portnoy more than any other element, as in addition to his fantastic musicianship, he was pivotal to their writing and production, so for my money Portnoy is far superior to Mangini, and I have lost much interest in the band since Portnoy left.
this
Exactly this
Same for me
I feel the same with Kevin Moore as well, I wish he had stayed a bit more in DT because I loved his feel. Love Jordan Rudess as well though
Sadly I must say it´s the same for me, followed them from the first album back in the 80:s. Mangini is very technical but "predictable" in a way. A fantastic drummer no doubt, but for me Portnoy is about the feeling of his hits on the drums, the improvisation that comes from feeling and inspiration. So my interest for the band also faded away when Portnoy left. But I saw them live 3 times with Portnoy and those concerts will allways stay in memory as wonderful times :)
both are just out of this world. Imagine having a band with 2 of the worlds top 15 drummers
There is no no. One...both dudes are outstanding drummers and both deserves the Same Respect 🙏🏽🖤🤘🏼
It might be better to compare a Portnoy original with a Mangini Original, but it doesn't matter, they are both amazing.
Esta bien que les comparemos en una misma canción; pero en este caso no se muestra todo el potencial que tiene Magini; el último disco (y penúltimo) demuestra que es indestructible.
es indestructible hasta que tiene que hacer algo creativo. Portnoy tiene letras, ideó muchos de los conceptos alrededor de los discos, setlists únicos para cada ciudad, covers de discos enteros, documentales del "making of" de los discos, los official bootleg, mensajes secretos en las canciones. La lista es interminable, Mangini toca muy bien pero te deja sabor a poco. Insulso.
Two fantastics drummers, I can't compare. They are different and make a wonderful work
Both are very good within their styles, they are not fighting each other, they are not enemies. Each one respects each other and that's it.
When a musician does not respect another it is because they are not really very good people, but in this case they are both very cool people in real life.
Portnoy always complemented Johns playing. He would improve a guitar solo by adding accents to what John was doing, making the listener pay attention to the right things. Mangini just lays down the backing track for John, which is fine, but it just isn't the same. And he should also make his drum kit sound more natural. If he improved on those things, nobody would say he is a feelless drummer.
I like bothe qually - but you've echoed my thoughts. You say natural I say melodic or tuneful. I think MM has too much tension on his drumskins making them sound percussive rather than more like a musical note (a la MP).
Magini phrases is not good. Sorry to say. Not about the skills, is about how to make songs lived and ✊. Portnoy had a places.
I will leave my comment here and I hope this contribution that caught my attention is respected, the change in sound and adaptation in the drums is very noticeable, I followed Dream Theater for a few years, I do not know how you can compare a 26-year career with Mike Portnoy leading the drums for 11 years with Mike Mangini now on drums, the sound of today changed, yes, but it doesn't give it that energy and projection towards the respectable public if there are albums that we all consider classic and these last 5 albums that have launched have lost a bit of energy, Portnoy launched to another planet through Metal and Progressive! Today the Portnoy projects have been quite good!
..... en mi opinion ambos son excelentes bateristas....no cabe duda.!!..la cuestion es ..¿ cual interpretacion o cuales atreglos de percusion , van mas acorde y son mas musicales con los arreglos de cuerdas y teclados para este fragmento?...sin lugar a dudas MIKE PORTNOY da en el punto preciso!..yo no soy fan de dream theater...ni siquiera conozco el tema..pero a primera escucha es lo que noto....MANGINI es un baterista superior en conocimientos y tecnica...pero aqui lo que prima , y en toda composicion, es el buen gusto..y hacer cosas que vayan con el tema....no rellenar de cosas que poco aportan....ademas ..PORTNOY es el alma por siempre de esta banda....dificilmente reemplazable , lo intentaron ..lo hicieron..pero esta lejos de ser lo que debiera.....
Alguém sabe o nome da música aos 12:50? Que por sinal é a mesma que Mangini toca no início do vídeo e tal .
Both drummers are incredible but Mangini sounds too structured and robotic in his approach where as Portnoy plays with more feel and emotion
Mangini é magnífico, toca muito, 100% técnico, seria o número 1 se não existisse o Portnoy, mas
.. Portnoy existe, além de ter a mesma técnica, Pprtnoy adciona Paixão, sentimento, emoção, diversão.
Portnoy é completo.
I love the snare roll at the very end of the original which is #4 clip . great speed and accuracy.not attempted on #1,#2,or even newer portnoy #3 clip. A signature move of his since I have heard it on another D.T. song and petrucci solo album .
I loved how they did the outro both in London and NY, highlighting the sound of the music they were doing at the moment, Distance over time and Metropolis sound
I want you to compare Portnoy play the Alien if it posible...i love to see Mr. Portnoy make it as good as he was in DT 😊
I haven't watched yet, I have it paused cause I wanted to say this. I've been a fan of DT for 15 years and nobody will ever be a better fit than Portnoy. I love how passionate Mangini is about music and the band. He's amazing and I wouldn't ask for anybody else to fill in for Portnoy, but I miss Portnoy.
Who doesnt.... The Magic's gone...🥺🥺
He's comming back, believe me
@@marciowallace1679 se escucharon las plegarias, Portnoy volvio de manera oficial a la banda (hace 4 meses) pero aun cuenta
Music name. Anybody knows?
Two different Men two different styles, both hit the skins with awesomeness in there hands and arms are both brilliant in there own ways, I remember when they had the 4 or 5 Drummers competing for the job back over 11yrs ago, there was one other that I believe would havr.been a good fit for DT short-haired dude was a awesome drummer, they have a great drummer now, love him
I believe it was Marco Minneman, awesome drummer, in fact they did not choose him for being too young and because of his very diverse musical background which made DT thinkthat it was kind of a misteryif Marco would commit for a long period of time in only on eband and project.
I think both are supremely gifted. As I listen to albums from both eras, they are full of drum parts that make me gasp aloud when I’m alone in the car.
I’ve got to say that the drumming in Alien is stunning. I’ve also listened to the album with As I Am, and Portnoy has many parts that make me wonder how the hell he even plays the song. They both occupy rarefied air.
Portnoy is more of a composer himself and has always been keeping his drumming to what the music wants but also keeping it tastefully good. Mangini on the other hand is a technical drummer, whose parts are complicated while staying in the pocket
No hay punto de comparación. Mangini es un gran baterista y Portnoy es de otro planeta.
they are both excellent drummers.
Was that Shattered Fortress one from ProgPowerUSA in Atlanta? if so I was there. And caught it at Irving Plaza in NYC. Absolutely incredible shows. Nothing beats the Live Scenes version though. Best Finally Free ever, and best Learning To Live at that show too for that matter.
They are both incredible. As a drummer, I am in awe of Mangini. His skill level is off the charts with the precision of an alien. However, it really comes down to preference at this level. Nothing against Portnoy of course. He`s unreal in his own right, very creative and not one bit of a slouch. I`d be ecstatic with 1/4 of his skill. Live recording is better now than it was when Portnoy was with them, so its not quite fair to make a call.
I'll try to say it in the simplest way possible…
With Mangini after listening to him for half the length of this great part of this song, I already wanted it to end, with Portnoy I wanted the song to continue…
🤮BULL💩
PRECISELY WATSON !!! 👍👍
EXACTLY
Well, I started listening to DT with the first notes of The Change of Seasons and finnished with its last notes.
The London Mangini version is the greatest live drum recording ever.
Ambos são excelentes, mas, o Portnoy é o criador
Mangini has improved a lot. I've listened since Majesty, but really fell in love with the band starting with A Dramatic Turn of Events. Basically when Mangini showed up. It was suddenly different. They had a distinct and refreshing change with Mangini, and I think a needed one, even before I liked him. A Dramatic Turn of Events turned out to be my all-time favorite full album, despite. A View from the Top of the World is when I decided I really like Mangini, especially in Awaken the Master and the title track, the two songs that make the album in my opinion. I usually skip to those two songs on that album.
My thoughts exactly, and I've been crucified by Portnoy fanboys for implying DT had gotten better after Portnoy left. AVFTTOTW was a real showpiece for Mangini and Myung where turning the volume up on those 2 plus doubling up in the low end with Petruccis 8 string gave DT some real teeth... DT are not sitting still that's for sure, and I'm just waiting to see where they go next.
@@pipps1158 I don’t care, I just state what I like. If they’re going to be obnoxious, I just straight up say, “Portnoy SUCKS!” (I don’t really think that though. Portnoy is awesome) and a grin on your face will let them know that arguing with this person is futile. It’s all futile, really, you either still like them or you don’t.
a dramatic turn of events top 3 DT albums !!!!
I honestly think the outro for "Finally Free" is a troll piece by Mangini that's progressively gotten more and more complicated over time in response to those who insist on playing it like the original. If the first time he played it went over their heads, the newest versions of the outro will melt their tiny brains trying to find 1 or the down beat
Mangini did an outstanding job with dream theater !! I remember when “on the backs of angels” was released, his drumming just blew my mind - and his live performances too. Amazing drumming !
Other question , who is the Keyboarder?
My vote goes for Mike Portnoy. He invented it and plays real old school drumming.
MM - Just a music.
MP - The music touches my heart.
There is no comparison between MM and MP. Music is about to feel the notes and rithym in the soul and MP reaches it so easily... MM has the tempo, MP has the soul.
Waw..very good 🥁👍🔥
Portnoy amazing and inspiring in DT. Mangini awesome replacement. I was always impressed with Portnoy mouthing the words as he played just so into it he was a freakin machine. Was always something magical about Portnoy.
Portnoy fills are so natural. He never missed a shot, always on time and made it looks sooooooo easy. Mangini on the other hand is still trying to fit Portnoy shoes, but the feeling is like Kevin Hart trying to fit in Shaq's shoes
There were plenty of missed hits bro, Your just listening with biased ears. Even the legendary 2000 NY performance had plenty of timing issues.
One Mike is know for his creativity and odd time signatures, the other mic is known for his preciseness and his speed, the other Mike is known for thinking out of the box and throwing everything but the kitchen sink in there and pulling it off and it's a great showman while the other Mike picked up the chops and ran with it and try to do a little bit more creativity to it, both mikes drumming is really off the charts when it comes to drummers, but I'd have to go with MP over MM"
2 de los mejores bateristas del planeta.
incomparables!
I love what Mike Portnoy achieves, going a little bit ahead and considering the moment of the album in which this drum section is played I really love what the composition adds to the album, really a high point, even the Mike's fills and the "decoration" adds up. Mangini is great and I love how technic and clean is his execution, the polyrhythms really shine but I think that Portnoy excels with something beyond technic (he is an amazing drummer).
Portnoy is more fluid, therefore more pleasent to listen to. Mangini is a beast like no other, probably one of the most technical drummers out there, impressive to watch live, but I pick Portnoy.
The past and the present…………….different times, different styles.
Remember he choose to go his own way, he did not get kicked out.
He left on his own free will and wanted a break, but the other guy’s had a different need.
Listen to a view from the top off the world and I personally think the drums had never been so tight and fast.
Bro, he basically got the boot. He wanted time off after 20 plus years of constant touring and album cycles. He wanted maybe a year but was willing to negotiate. They said NO. He said he needed to do it for his sanity. I understand the band is huge and is a business, but he was a founding member and the soul of the band. To let him go KNOWING THAT because you didn't want to lose income that probably wouldn't of made a difference either way is kind of shitty man. Portnoy said he was totally willing to come to a mutual agreement but the band wanted nothing of it.
Can someone tell me what is the music concept of the minute 1:00 it feels odd. Feels out of sync. Is it displacement? Syncopation of drums?
Who is singing with MP in the first clip? Also, who is playing, what band is that? I apologize in advance for my ignorance, but I need a captain here.
Portnoy tiene sigo que Mangini no tiene y es que Portnoy, además de ser un gran baterista como Mangini es un gran compositor en ese instrumento. Ha hecho cosas realmente novedosas. Podría extenderme muchísimo en este tópico. Mangini es un gran músico, pero no hace nada nuevo. Lo importante no es hacer cosas difíciles, lo importante es la creatividad.
Amo a Portnoy, pero todos sus fills de los últimos 15 años han sonado exactamente igual. Mangini tiende a jugar mucho más con los polirritmos en sus fills y en sus solos, y explora mucho más el ritmo de cada sección. Decir que no hace nada nuevo o no es creativo es simplemente no entenderlo, y está bien, la batería de Portnoy es mucho más digerible y sencilla de entender.
No hay mejores ni peores, al final es cuestión de gusto de cada quien
Amigo claramente no sabes mucho de batería y música en sí si afirmas que Mangini no hace “nada nuevo”. Cada canción que ha hecho desde DOT (que fue desde lo dejaron componer) es casi que una clase de batería en su totalidad, así que por esa parte se la doy a Mangini. Que suene distinto a Portnoy? Pues si, pero Portnoy siempre le importó más ser el show man que otra cosa, desde sus dos últimos discos con DT venía tocando casi que lo mismo. Incluso hoy en día sigue sonando exactamente igual a ese Portnoy del 2010.
En conclusión, no hay un bueno ni un malo, simplemente estilos, te puede gustar más uno que otro y no hay ningún problema con eso. Lo importante es disfrutar la música que estos genios componen.
@@Bingusman sí, sé. No uses falacias conmigo.
RLKK, RLRLKK, RLRLRLKK vaya novedad 🤭
@@Bingusman concuerdo contigo, ambos son unas bestias, pero Mangini lleva toda la cuestión de independencia, desfases y limpiesa a otro nivel, con el simple hecho de dominar el instrumento de forma ambidiestra es algo excepcional, incluso el propio Portnoy ha reconocido que Mangini es superior a el
I think one thought missing here (in the comment section) is the artistic aspect of Mangini: the use of the polyrhythms and differing time signatures over what the rest of the band is playing creates a sense of disorientation that I think encapsulates the story of Metropolis: Pt 2 quite well. When listening to Mangini playing, feels like two worlds colliding yet overlapping simultaneously, thus getting at the full circle/reincarnation aspect of the record in a musical sense.
Exactly! I agree with everything you said! I am a drummer and know what he is doing artistically with it.
in Mangini drumming there is no climax, you can use polyrithms but you must follow the dramaturgy of the story, it's a tragedy, a crescendo, Mangini goes up and down withouth purpose except to show his ability that is great ...Maybe the "Metropolys vibe "as you say, but you lose all the pathos, and for me is the most important thing, it's the interior sense that you must awake, first is a matter of heart, after that you can use the brain, but the brain without the heart don't work.
Still it hurts my ear to listen to mangini play finally free, because the way he chose to play it. I'm not saying he's wrong, just saying I don't prefer his style
@@vanitazazas I’m pretty sure the “Finally Free” outro is Mangini trolling those fanboys demanding that Mangini reengineer himself into a Portnoy clone…
Saudades do Portnoy no DREAM THEATER 😞
Both are amazing
Metropolis 2000 live best ever!
So I have seen Dream Theater 3 times, twice with Mike Portnoy and once with Mike Mangini. I have been a Drummer for over 50+ years and playing both of their styles is quite interesting. Mike Portnoy brought more of a feel to their songs whereas Mike Mangini is more of an exercise of how complicated he can make things. The last concert I saw was in Riverside and it sucked badly. I even told the sound man that all of sound was shit. I completely lost all love for this band.
You’re not a real fan if you judge by one concert. I’ve been there in riverside as well. Yes sound and play was not satisfying, but the last tour (I’ve been at LA’s concert) was much greater. And I’m on your side with Portnoy’s play.
I'm DT fans since album images and words, every fans knows Portnoy skills and drum set changes to the last album, I can't blame Portnoy for leaving DT for music colour changed since then. Personally I enjoyed their live performance during Portnoy time, but I appreciate how the band reach younger fans since Mangini joined the Band.
another moronic comment. Yep, it's Mangini trying to make things more complicated. Yea, ok. Their songs with MP were very much about complicated parts. That's their thing even before Mangini. But another made up comical response that makes zero sense.
They're not the same band these days..... The Magic's gone sadly....
Simply T2wo Monsters On 🥁⚡️🔥👊💪🤘
Uauuuuu!
Incrível o que estes caras fazem!
Na minha opinião música não se trata de competição, amo as duas interpretações, mas considero para meus ouvidos o timbre de bateria do Portnoy muito mais orgânico e musical. Acompanhando todos os primeiros álbuns da banda fica muito claro a procura dele por este timbre que hoje considero único.
Abraço a todos!
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Wow!
Amazing what these guys do!
In my opinion, music is not about competition, I love both interpretations, but I consider Portnoy's drum tone to be much more organic and musical to my ears. Following all the band's first albums, it is very clear his search for this sound that I now consider unique.
Hug to everyone!
O Mike Mangini toca muito mais para mim Portnoy e o cara e não e atoa que ele que criou o Dream Theater
I was at 1 of the Roseland ballroom shows in New York where I believe they filmed the earliest clip here of Portnoy.. To me that is the best version.. Speed and subtlety rolled into one🥁🎸🎹🥁🤗👍
I was at 1 of those shows as well. And I 100% agree with you.. Portnoy holds that odd timing together perfectly.. It was his masterpiece drumming.. So anybody else pales by comparison🎶🥁🎼🎸🎹🎙
"Aside from the fact that Portnoy thought and composed all this", from a musical point of view, how is it possible to prefer Mangini?
Perfectly said!
Exactly!
Mike Portnoy was the soul of DT.
How You gonna replace that?
Mangini is perfect, like a robot.
Which is not a good thing
Prueba de que los robots no tienen alma
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I see no reason to question either of them, they are both excellent drummers, each in their own style.
Damn...why this is still coming up? Why can't get over it?
Mangini siempre perfecto y sólido...Portnoy con algo menos de destreza y perfección, pero con leeejos más sentimiento en la ejecución e interpretación...dos ingredientes esenciales en DT...
como podes decir eso, lo veo en muchos foros y comentarios, la idea de q mangini de alguna manera es mas "tecnico" q portnoy??? jajaj flor de payasada... portnoy se lo come crudo a mangini... en cualquier asignatura.. el video mismo te lo muestra.. cuando mangini tiene q poner sus cosas hace un desastre.. se va de tiempo de mala manera y en general es mucho mas mediocre, q como lo cierra portnoy..... portnoy es un genio, mangini es un sesionista.. y tecnicamente.. bueno ya tenes como ejemplo los discos, hablan por si solos.
@@danielgalan9579 si campeón! ...lo que tú digas 😉
Damn those polyrhythms and implied modulations from Mangini, insane.
Both are great drummers. Hope Mangini finds another good band or creates one himself! I hope to hear of him and he gets the credit he deserves.
Both great drummers .. I think DT should call it a day as the spark has long gone