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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2022
- In this video we catch up with guest-host Joel from the Precision Rifle Network on the range!
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What great content. Super informative and truly interesting format. Love that you just dived right into it.
Thanks!
Love the 6.5 grendel for predators at distance
Glad to see I'm not the only one holding out on the Grendel.
Good to see you on TGC Joel.
My go to rifle is a 16" grendel with a 1-6 lpvo. I use it for deer, hogs, and really anything else out on the property.
I like the factory Hornady ELD and Custom SST for shorter shooting.
Thanks.
This all sounds great to me. I Love the Grendel.
I went with 6mm ARC. I absolutely love the 6ARC . I rarely shoot past 880 yards . Realistically I shoot at 600 yards and in . I went with 16" as my go too since 600 yards is my practical max . I have 0 complaints. I'm still learning about long range shooting so 600 yards is actually pretty far for me lol.
6ARC also doubles as super nice Deer and Hogg Rig . Especially paired with 90g Partition / Accubond or 103g ELDX .
Also the 6ARC like the 6.5G are not barrel burners so I can get 5k+ rounds out of Precision barrel . Right now my go to 16" is BA 416R QPQ Premium Black Series . If I do my part I dont have issues hitting 8" plate at 600 yards. I have gone 3 for 3 on 8" plate at 500 yards . Next time at the range I'm gonna try to see if I can go 3 for 3 at 600 on 8" plate .
I was for sure thinking about getting Precision Bolt Gun next year . I'm leaning more towards 6CM . I was looking at Seeking Havak Hit .
This is great. Thanks for watching!
I like 6arc I think the problem is availability and price, right now 6arc feels like a proprietary round. I was at a SW and I found they had 2 boxes on the shelf. I picked up one and the other box was being eyed by other patrons.
@@zedhiro6131 My understanding, with a Grendel Second generation bolt and a 6 ARC barrel, with a Grendel mag, 6ARC can happen. Swap the barrel, you’re back to Grendel again.
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@@MrKingArthurhk 6.5G Type 2 Bolt , 6.5G Mags and 6ARC barrel is all you need for the swap
Great vid, very informative. It's nice to see a breakdown of multiple round types back to back.
Sweet. Thanks for watching.
I feel the Grendel is the best SPR/DMR set up. Lighter load out and you get the distance and energy. It bridges the .223 and .308 in my opinion.
Agree
Definitely, that was the idea behind the design.
I Was not expecting the function of a 24 inch barrel on that AR10.
Looks like I'm doing some shopping.
Seriously, it’s surprisingly nice.
Great list. I appreciate the continuation of the series
Thank you for this comparison video. For me, choosing the right caliber is depended upon (1) What I want and use it for. (2) What is the overall cost for the weapon and all needed accessories (which includes bipod, extra magazines and scope) (3) Cost of ammo. Finally I need to consider my overall "buy In" cost and how many times I will be shooting it. In comparing a gas operated vs. a bolt action 308, I chose a bolt action. That was based on the overall comparability between all the different bolt actions. Gas operated 308s face a big difference in my understanding of comparability of after market parts based on the differences in design between manufacturers.
I'd choose any caliber thay would take out those bugs in the background.
😂 valid
Flamethrowers are more of a short range thing.
@@TheGunCollective
Touche👍 I did enjoy the video, but thr bugs got a bit extreme at the end.
The only good bug is a dead bug. I say we nuke them from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...
@@TheGunCollective if you guys are using Adobe Premier to edit your stuff (Or your video editor) have them push the audio through ADOBES free AI studio audio software.....its free if you're on their editing platform......will 100% get rid of that noise. It's under Adobe AI Podcast tools.
That’s the longest ar10 barrel *I have ever seen*
All sounded exactly like what I would do. Except my large frame AR is in 6.5 Creedmoor. I understand the appeal of the 308, but the Creedmoor has become a mainstream caliber that is easy to access
Does your 6.5 Creedmoor AR cycle 100% reliably? That’s been my issue with every single AR10 platform in any caliber other than 308. Constant malfunctions.
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork yes, very smoothly. It's an aero precision recievers, and a matched X-Caliber barrel with rubber city armory BCg. I have had the most issues with the rifle just absolutely destroying brass.
6mm PRC bolt, 308 AR10 (job required), 6mm ARC AR15 (currently have 3: 18" Noveske, 12.5" Noveske and 18" BCB)
I'm not a long range shooter. The longest kill I ever made was 300 yards and it was with a borrowed Remington 600 in 308. There are more efficient, flatter shooting cartridges, but the standard against which they are measured is the 308. I purchased a 6.5 Creedmoor last year because everyone was raving about the performance of this round. Honestly, I did not notice any reduction in felt recoil, which is what I was most interested in.
I disagree. The standard that they are measured by is the 30-06.
Not only is it a phenomenal hunting cartridge that covers an amazing versatility of bullet weights...it's been used in and is still used in well over half of the long range shooting realm.
@@Paladin1873awesome!
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Only bolt gun I still have is .30-06. And my long range gas gun is a Grendel. In AZ I trust the Grendel to drop elk and white tail out to 300. The -06 is for when I hunt in AK. I'm terrified of brownies getting within "OH SHIT!" Distances
I'm getting into long range shooting/competition shooting. I recently purchased a Ruger Precision Teka. Is this a good choice. I'm looking to get out to 1000 yards plus! Please keep in mind, I'm a beginner and just barely touching the surface of long range shooting. I'm also a deer hunter as well. Is an AR-15, I custom built with a 24" Bull Wylde barrel decent for head shots out to 350 yards? Plus I have a 6.5 Grendel upper to mount on my lower custom built. Which would be better for vital organ shots vs head shots? Thanks
Great vid, I would love to see a second cam showing the impacts
I WOULD TOO! Unfortunately I can’t just walk back and forth downrange with every single take or scene of the video. I’d be there for days.
Scope mounted video is an option, but those are spendy and a huge hassle. Also rarely in focus from what I’ve seen.
Grendel is love... Grendel is life.
I like the 6.5 Grendel choice all day, but the ammo is tough to come by in my area right now.
Yeah mine too.
No
One of my favorites as well. I'm starting to see it more available online. Highly recommend reloading that one, really opens up your choices.
I would like sn6.7 GRENDLE FOR THE AR. ihave 308,270 and my 30-06 I can use for big game but would likea 300 WinMag or a 338 Lapua Mag would be real nice to havefor long range big game. Ican not say I need one but wish I did. The 6.5 Grendel upper is on my list. I want to learn some long range and be able to take deer or ? FURTHER OUT. AWITH A LIGHT SEMI AUTOlong range shooting I have not done much but I am interested in learning and doing.
Good video dude!
I LOVE the .308 Win out of a 24" barreled AR10 !!!
That’s gotta be heavy AF !
@@joquin4618 I've got an Aero M5 in 308 with an 18" Faxon barrel and it's a 12lb gun unloaded. Magpul PRS stock (not the lite), Magpul bipod, Trijicon Tenmile 3x18x-50. It's a pig of a rifle, but if I sling it behind my back (padded Slingster), it's not too bad to carry around for a bit.
But it was designed as a bench/DMR type gun, not a run and gun type setup. If I'm going to be covering serious distance, that is what my AR-15s are for.
@@gunsandcommissions yeah, my 18” PSA AR10 in 308 is about 10.9 lbs with scope and suppressor…. Shoots like a dream but dang those off hand shots are difficult beyond 100 yards!!
@@joquin4618 Yeah no doubt. I have yet to even shoot mine offhand. My youngest son and I took it for its maiden trip this past weekend to get it sighted in, lock the zero, and check function.
What suppressor are you running? My next purchase is a suppressor and I’m leaning Deadair Nomad. I’ve got keymo muzzle devices on just about everything.
@@gunsandcommissions YHM RESONATOR… there’s better suppressors out there (huxwurx, rugged, griffin, dead air) but YHM is for guys on a budget who want to do mag dumps and not ruin their CAN. Warranty and mounting system sux on YHM, just take manufacturer recommendations and you’ll be ok.
Love my Grendel, I rock a 24 inch sanders upper
Just curious, what's the difference between 6.5 Creedmoor and 6.5 Grendal?
As a casual enthusiast, I look for calibers I know will always be readily available and will not burn my barrel prematurely. With that said, my mid range precision is a 18" .223 wylde gas gun and long range is a 20" 308 bolt action. Sure 6.5 and other calibers may be better and reach out a little further, but that's the thing... it's just a little further. If you want to shoot 2k yards or more, then you better start looking at long actions.
I am buildimg a 6.5 creedmor for long distance shooting. I heard the 6.5 creedmor is better than the 308. Also, the recoil on the 308 does not look like much.
To me it's super funny how there are now dozens of 6.5mm or 6mm cartridges. Yet the Swedes made 6.5x55 back in 1891. And Italians with the 6.5x52 in 1889.
We made it better. #usa
I prefer the 30-06 and the 270 win. I know they're both incredibly close ballistically speaking... But that's what I grew up with. Both of them can be pushed out REALLY REALLY far. And the 30-06 has amazing versatility with bullet weight options.
Love my swed and my carcano
I’ve been thinking about taking the 6.5 PRC necking it down to 6mm but also push the shoulder back about .3 of a inch. Why? Just kinda want to try my first wildcat. Anyone have any idea of any cartridge that kinda matches my description?
You're trying too hard
Built a .284 Win AR-10 this year. It is without question a stupid gun. Brass is a buck a pop, you can't load the really ultra high BC bullets that make that caliber special but it crams as much umph into the AR-10 as can be crammed and and shoots beautifully.
Also have a 6ARC, awesome round
Great list. The only change I would do is on the AR-10. Personally I'd go 7mm-08, supersonic past a 1,000 for competition and still carries weight for hunting to about 800 yards or so, depending on you game. Just an opinion:-)
I use a 30-06 and a 270 win. I am still an amateur when it comes to the competitive shooting aspect of things. I mean I've been hunting most of my 43 years. But the long range shooting is still pretty new to me. I'm trying to maximize the weapons that I already have.
Most 308 loads are super to 1000 and beyond what are you talking about. 7 08 is slightly better with wind drift and drop
@@NortheastSurvival911 270 is good one for distance practice. Nothing wrong with it, keep at it and learn the math you'll be a mile shooter in no time 👍
I'm a big fan of 6mm, don't have much experience with Dashers or GTs. 6 CM does nothing a .243Win doesn't do better, and in a pinch, you can find .243 ammo in any general store. Good call on the Grendel, for anything deer size, I pick that over a .308, especially if you have to lug the gun for a few miles. We have built many Grendels and my current tryst is the 6mm ARC. I do not recommend the ARC unless you are an experienced reloader since factory ammo selection is dismal and brass and load data sparse, unfortunately it's become just another Hornady boutique round. Joel I think you would love the ARC, since you have the experience and the knowledge to wring the potential out of it.
Cool Thanks for watching. Truth be told, I had just purchased a 6ARC like two days before recording this video. LOL just didn't have enough time with it yet.
6.5G FTW!!!!
Serbian Military is the QST one in the world to adopt the 6.5 Grendel round....I was really hoping it was going to replace 5.56 for the u.s. military...such an awesome round with barely any recoil
260, 260 & 6.5 grendel
Me to my 16” 308 “he didn’t mean that baby, you mean everything to me, nothing is going to change that” while my credit card try yelling through the masking tape I put on it.
😂😂👍
For mid to long range (400 to 800) combat scenarios, I generally like to go with my Vera.
Shiny!
Terrain. Terrain should influence cartridge choice when hunting. Wide open vs brushy. You get the point. If your terrain does not present the possibility for a long shot, you have lots of options.
How about .338 Lapua Magnum FCP-HS for your f class.
I would not have chosen any of those rounds, bolt gun 7mm rem mag or 300 win mag, ar10,6.5 creedmore, ar 15 6mm arc
Any thoughts on military carts like .300 Winmag?
all militaries are getting rid of the 300 winmag, its basically a heavy recoiling 6.5 creedmore
I'd choose either 7mm or .300NM both very flat and .300NM holds energy like a freight train.
The 30-06 holds energy in a very very similar fashion.
@northeastsurvival911 so do high bc 308s
I have no idea what it is like to shoot long range. the only thing I can say is I am a gas gun guy. to me .308 is the perfect caliber. it can be used as a battle rifle with a 12.5" short barrel and out perform a 5.56 with a 20" barrel the AR10/lr308 is just about 2lbs heavier then an AR-15 depending on how you set it up. use a 20" barrel .308 and you can hunt any game in North America at 500 + yards, but when it come to an AR-15 platform, I would have to lean towards the 6ARC, from everything I have heard and seen about the 6ARC it is basically the .308 for the AR-15 platform. so in the end maybe one day when I am not a poor I can put my theories to the test on my long range choice. than you for the content it was an educational experience .
Thanks for watching.
I agree and I disagree with some of what you said. Like outperforming a 5.56 cartridge for example... The way that you've explained it... That literally comes down to skill.
The reason I say that is because of my multiple tours in Afghanistan carrying a 5.56 NATO cartridge and some of the distances that I fired it and the results. You're really good with the 308. I'm really good with a 30 ought 6 in some scenarios. But I excel with a 16 inch barrel with a gas platform in 5.56
And that cartridge can be pushed well beyond 1,500 yards and still maintain enough Force to kill a man.
Since you shoot PRS I think you will agree the more ergonomic AR15 over the standard frame AR10 and the much reduced recoil of the 6.5 grendel over the 308 makes the choice the grendel
I built the Ar-15 .224 Valkyrie. I love the ballistics on it. I think it shoots the best. That I have
TFB TV is back!! We love you man!!
I’ll go with AR 15 with 77gr in 5.56, AR10 in 308 with 18” barrel suppressed cuz it’s fun to blast on the cheap, and bolt gun in 6.5 creedmoor or PRC for long range (700 yards plus) precision.
$1.90/rd for 308 Federal GMM 168gr. $1.35/rd for 308 Aguila 150gr. Typical retail prices for this stuff. Yes, I'm aware that I can save a bit more than that by shopping around, but you get the point. Please share where you're getting your "cheap" 308.
Ha. Thanks!
@@gunsandcommissions target sports USA….. “cheap” .308 is at $0.80 cents for PMC bronze 147gr.
GGG 168gr is at around $1 per round. (With membership of course)
No where near pre Pandemic prices, but I’ll take it for plinking. If I’m going long range, save my $ for match ammo. (6.5 PRC/Creed or match BTHP .308)
@@joquin4618 I’ll check it out 👍🏻
The 6.5 Grendel is a far better choice for anything deer size in the AR platform. I would not even think about taking any game with 77gr 5.56 or .223 while we have taken many deer with the Grendel, my friend took a Coose deer in southern Arizona at 563yds, buck dropped dead where he stood. For dinging steel "long range precision" just about anything that stays supersonic at you range of choice will do easily.
I would mostly agree with the statement on the energy comparison between the 223 and 6.5 Grendel. I don't think the comparison chart is fair and a bit misleading. 2400fps is a bit slow even for a 77gr. Probably more like a 85-90gr bullet. Not sure why someone would even compare that heavy of 223 load.
77gr is probably a minimum weight for long range out of a .223 and that’s why I picked it.
Interesting video, but those cicadas are relentless
Yeah they sucked for my audio, obviously. 👎
Didn't this guy used to do videos for TFBTV?
Yes I did
Shhhh.....He might hear ya!
Hahahahaha!
I always want a caliber.I don't have until I have it.And then i'm on to the next quest..
AR15: 5.56, AR10: Remington 6.5 maybe 6.5 fury later on, Bolt: one of the .338 magnums
338-06. You don't really see it much or hear about it but it's out there...
HOW FAR were you shooting.. I've PERSONALLY SAW the 6.5 CREEDMOOR take a coyote at 1100 yards..!!!!
In this video, between 300-600y.
I wondered how suitable the .243 Win would be in an AR10 role.
Might be ok, but there's the potential feeding issues with those long cartridges... not sure really, never tried it.
I love the .243, haven't done and AR in it yet, you might have to work on the ramps and the gas system a bit from what I have been told.
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork a certain group was gonna use 260 REM but cartridge length in standard AR10 mags killed that deal, I imagine 243 had the same issue.
Looking forward to your thoughts on 6 ARC, I hear great things
My wife loves her 6.5 Grendel. She has dropped so many whitetails with it. Many kill shots at the 300-450 yd mark. I can smack an 18 × 30 steel silo at 800yd with that rifle all day
338 Norma mag
7:35 I like the butterfly 🦋
A better title for this video would be ‘Joel’s Show & Tell’ 😂 sweet rifles for sure tho
Long range magnum bolt gun 300 PRC
416 is the most accurate cartridge. I mean, how many 2 mile championships has it been won with?
That’s extreme long range. Also magnum long actions. I had to work with what I already own. If we’re talking about 1500y and beyond, then I totally agree with you.
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork Well, to be fair, the title did say top 3 long range calibers, not top 3 long range calibers I own. 😛
I was impressed with that one you could double/triple tap on a target. I may actually have to purchase that one, I just need to scrounge up that kind of cash (which is extremely tight due to our wonderful elites deciding what is best for us).
@@JoeyBaby47 ha don't be too impressed, it was the largest target I could find. LOL
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork So the broadside of a barn? Got it! Well, take consolation, most police can't hit the broadside of a barn. 🤣
You can get ar10s in magnum 300 cartridges try that out of a ar15!!! 15s are close range people getters and not that good at that considering a 243 has more knock down power and it's not even getting close to the 300s
6mm CM for competition. 6.5 CM for hunting in a bolt gun. 6.5 CM in an AR-10 and 6mm ARC in an AR-15. .308 doesn’t make the list.
.300 PRC
You can create a monster but can you find food to feed it?
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6MM ARC all the way!
What is that wierd ringing noise in the background??
I was a big fan of black rifle Co and then I tried blackout coffee. Blackout not only tastes better, but also supports better people. BRC stood behind BLM and other woke organizations during the Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Wisconsin.
The 308 will normally not make the list for most shooting at steel at distance. A 308 used in a law enforcement or military context is likely to be taken at distances of 200-600 yards. Snipers rarely shoot out further. A Sniper also rarely ever, if ever uses a self loading rifle. Always a bolt action as they are far more reliable in the real world. Also good to be able to shoot a heavy 308 or 338 bullets considering that you may need to shoot through cover and body armour to make a kill. The 6mm and 6.5mm is great to shoot steel at distance, but I wouldn’t take it out as a service rifle, especially not in a self loading build. I recognise this video was for people looking at a long range cartridge on steel. If however you want a very reliable cartridge for competition target shooting at 200-600, I will take the 308 over my 6mm. Shooting steel is different, you just have to touch the steel, not thread 5 bullets through one hole. I like the 6mm for hunting small game under 350 yards. The problem is when hunters try and use 6 or 6.5 on larger animals because they think BC is all that is important to take down a large animal. Weight of the bullet is a major consideration on large animals. But, I cannot relate to shooting steel as my purpose in shooting is to make a clean kill on small targets at long distances.
0-300 5.56 300-600 6mm arc 600---- Remington 280 This is what I like but you really should check out the 6mm arc
BRUH that bug noise!?
Yep super annoying. Nothing I could do.
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork #MurderIt
22lr 2000yds try me
who the heck is using a 24" 308 AR for hunting?
I would rather 308 with the way this world is getting!!! More readily available than the rest!! A empty gun makes a crappy bat!!!!😂😂😂
John you have a man bun.
I'm pretty sure everybody else is thinking that you should braid your beard maybe even get a little bit of color spicing it up a little bit🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
308?? sorry I cannot get behind that choice. great caliber if you already have it, but if you are starting fresh, 6.5 CM is so much better
Naw 6.5 cm is overrated and 308 is underrated
“Long range” skills may turn out to be more valuable in the future as things go south 😕🙁☹️…you know taking “deer” out at longer ranges 🤔🤔🤔 people gotta eat 😉
If you want to eat in a shtf scenario, have goats and chickens to farm.
1 of them definitely ain’t 308 300 win mag better
A ar10 is more capable than a ar15 for long range!
Ar10 can be any caliber. Kinda really dumb to say "none of my friends had an ar10 so I got my friends ar10 and put a new upper on it"
I specifically meant an AR10 chambered in .308
Yo!
Hunting and precision. Here we go again. 308 hunting. 6mm or 6.5mm or wtf ever for hitting targets. Draw the line. Guns are kool but shoot wisely
in other words, it's just his personal thoughts. nothing more.
…well I’d like to think it’s tempered by quite a bit of experience too. 🤷🏻♂️
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork i''ll give you that. i'm not saying you're wrong. just a single person metric is hardly a way to claim the top 3 title.
@@dwayneelizondomountaindewh6073 yes I hear you. Top 3 and The Best and This Will Change Your Freaking Life are all phrases youtubers use to get more views. it's ok, just lay back and let it happen. We appreciate you watching.
What? No 30-30?! 🤪
Don't you dare talk sh!t about the deer-killingest caliber ever invented!!!!
I have a super old video on my old channel shooting 30-30 at 500 yards.
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@@TheGunCollective Love it!
Mark and Sam after work. 30-30 at 1100 plus yards. Open sights. Laugh all you want!
First 😎
an AD during the video ; what a joke !
I turned video off
Lmao you must be new here
you make money shooting free guns and ammo...get some more cameras so impact on targets can be shown. So tired of you youtubers who refuse to work and half ass it
Lots of gun UA-camrs do this with a shoe string budget and can barely afford ammo.
I’m sure they’re always accepting donations. Send some or upload your own. I’m sick of commenters doing backseat producing while not being part of the solution.