Great video. Im not a huge fan of Greenday, but i respect them and their music. I still remember when ppl said Sick of it All and H20 sold out. Ppl like that are the minority and are usually miserable. Theres nothing wrong with being happy for other people's success
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On the whole "they give back" deal, Mike Dirnt has donated a massive amount of electric instruments to public schools throughout California on the grounds that "The kid who wants to learn to play the bass guitar isn't gonna be all that interested in playing hot cross buns on a recorder."
Not to mention he has ran marathons and all sorts in the name of Breast cancer. His wife had cancer a few years ago and instead of just sitting there and throwing money at charities and research he got out there and participated in activities to raise money and awareness while posting it to his Instagram to reach an even wider audience and get them to participate in upcoming events for things they care about. All of Green Day care and it really shows in how level headed their kids are, you never see them causing trouble in the media.
Kat K Well, aside from Billie Joe’s alcohol fueled meltdown at the iHeartRadio festival back in 2013, but that was really an anomaly and he has obviously remained clean since then
By “selling out” despite everyone else’s decision I think they were the truest punk guys in the room. Punk is being true to yourself and that’s what they were.
Nah, they weren't. I mean I have mad respect for Green Day, and they're still a great band -- I listened to the whole American Idiot album this week -- but selling out was not a punk move. Green Day is a ton of things, but when you're apologizing to Clear Channel for running over Justin Beiber's time slot, you may be a lot of things, but you aren't punk. They have a ton of respect for where they came from and do a lot of great things to help the scene still, but their ambition was not to be the best punk band, it was to be the best rock band. I think fulfilled that goal.
to quote SLC punk "Being punk isn't always about the clothes you wear, its about the beliefs in the genere and beliefs in the music that makes you punk. (i think i may have misquoted that and i apologize in advance if i did)
Yeah man, I was thinking It was gonna be a warzone. They are my favorite band so I'm glad you did this video, it's nice to see someone tell the punk purists to relax. Especially given that Green Day introduced so many kids into this music who would go on to also listen to "true punk". PS - your other videos are amazing, really dug the one about easycore. Keep it up.
@@ThePunkRockMBA I agree and I believe Dookie was the catalyst for their enormous fame. In fact I think it's their best album as far as entertaining that broad spectrum of fans from the "ghetto kids" to "middle white American kids".
I was one of those fans who liked them on Lookout and then lost interest when they "sold out" and I agree. I was doing voter registration on the American Idiot tour and I got to see them for free. I didn't particularly care when I got there, but they were incredible. Billie Joe has grown so much as a performer and front man. They were a fun punk band when I saw them at the club, but he's turned into a total rock start in the good sense.
Honestly Greenday sounds like shit and thats why I dont like them. Idgaf if they are big or not, i dont want to hear their music. Id literally rather hear silence than hear anything by green day. Ive heard garage bands with more lyrical creativity that sound better, even on knock off amps and no acoustics in the venue.
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That's my biggest problem with punk. Lack of ambition, they see success as a bad thing, I know this because I lived in that gutter and now that I'm a grown up I don't have pot to piss in or a window to throw it out. A little late for me but lesson learned. Stay in school kids, learn a trade, mAke something of yourself.
Crabs in a bucket, hip hop is the same way.... Everyone that makes it gets hated because they escaped the bucket, the rest just spend their time pulling each other down...
John Smith if you think they didn’t want to “make it” you’re sadly mistaken. They were the biggest punk band of their time and stayed true to their ideals. Nothing but commendable.
@Amber134 Xo I agree Insomniac was a masterpiece from start to finish. I can relate to it on many levels other than the drug use. My favorite GD album.
Green Day was the first alternative band I listened to, and was my gateway to punk, hardcore and metal. Without Dookie (and Smash for that matter) maybe I never went down that path. Saw them play for the first time last year... And what I saw was thousands of kids going mental over their favorite band. Like I did 25 years ago
I'm a big ramonescore fan so I should like green day but honestly I thought offspring was better and honestly when we were in high school offspring seemed edgier
I was 14 when American Idiot came out and will never forget the affect that album had on me. It essentially got me into music full stop. Later that year I queued for hours to see them at my first ever concert and Bille Joe got me on stage in front of 14,000 people. As a 14 year old kid that shit is powerful and created the passion for music that I went on to have. People can call them sell outs or whatever but when a band has that affect on young kids who otherwise may have only listened to super manufactured pop music I think they deserve a hell of a lot of credit.
What I'm hearing is: Green Day was always going to blow up. It was their goal from the get go. They worked really hard to blow up, and after they did they tried as much as they could to help out the bands around them from when they got their start. Everyone in the DIY community benefited from them becoming successful, popular, and wealthy. You can hate it as much as you want, it just goes to show: people, not money, are susceptible to moral judgement. Money isn't evil or good, the people with it and what they choose to do with it are.
I was there at the time (I mean, at Gilman in '92) and I have to say I was upset when they signed to a major because the scene was "our thing," and I thought they were f-ing it up (and to an extent, they were), but I really back this comment 100%. I have a ton of respect for Green Day.
god love ‘em they managed to make punk rock boring in the sense that they sung melodies to us and cranked out riffs for us. Good guitar tone. They brought back the sense of pride in crafting pop music like the Beatles did
@@camillailiad6346that's exactly how I feel even when they were on lookout records they were at their best but they seemed so safe and generic compared to a lot of other bands even in the pop punk genre
I was obsessed with Green Day growing up. I was part of the second generation of fans which jumped on with American Idiot. These guys were seriously my heroes back then. I remember my parents took me and my older brother to a concert during the tour for that album with Jimmy Eat World. I lost interest when I got a bit older and started listening to heavier music and eventually a lot of rap. But I just saw them a couple weeks ago with Fall out Boy and Weezer. What’s crazy to me is how it seems like no time has passed. They still have that same energy with their performances, and still exude the passion that I loved so much growing up. I’m not the biggest fan in the world anymore. But I’ll always respect Green Day. I did some brushing up before the show like any decent concert goer with an artist they don’t listen to 24/7. But I was still shocked by how many hits these guys have. Fall out Boy and Weezer both have 5 or 6. But Green Day did a 21 song set and 90% of them were certified classics that everyone in attendance knew the words to. Not many bands can say that. Even the ones who’ve been around just as long.
The biggest thing I can’t stand about the punk community and all it’s sub genres, is the phrase “sell out.” It’s the only music genre that throws shade to artists that actually can make a living making music that they love.
One life One Chance #positivementalattitude Definitely agree. The only occasion the phrase "sell out" could be used (IMO) is not when someone does what they love and make money out of it , but when they stop doing what they love to make money
The entire definition of sellout to me as a punker is when profit becomes more important than passion and let's be real many bands being spit out by labels today didnt have passion from the start, they are just a lotta fake bands the Industry pushes on kids to say LOOK THIS IS "PUNK" THIS IS COOL BUY OUR ALBUM! As for green day, I can't say for sure whether they sold out but they're music simply isnt punk. Even before they sold they're souls to the industry they walked the line more towards pop
@@SeasoningTheObese Haha no honey, the clash was formed In 76. punk rock was started in the states long before britian picked up on it. It was underground long before it gained traction but let's talk about the big players that actually "started" punk rock. Ramones est. 1974, New York Dolls est. 1971, The Velvet Underground est. 1964, The Stooges est. 1967, need I go on?
I'd also like to add that the reason punk is hostile to bands getting big is because in our minds punk isnt meant for a wide audience. The people in the scene are very proud of the culture we have made for ourselves in the underground and rightfully want to preserve that. If a band gets big, they arent playing for those punx and skins at the local punk house anymore and that's what it's always been about. Not fame or recognition or money but the family we have in the scene. It may be easier to get if people would stop looking at punk as just a genre of music. Its something we made ourselves in our backyards and basements because we hated all the mainstream crap that was being shoved down our throats. DIY or DIE!
@Nitro061 C I personally love the Ramones. And besides when it comes to punk knowing how to play isnt a neccecity as long as you can make it sound good
Where I live their album Dookie was massive, and the next big thing was that Woodstock appearance with all the mud thrown on stage that became international news. Billy's guitar from that show is now priceless and still has mud on it. Add to that they have worked hard and been consistent. They have stuck with what works, very much the same as bands like ACDC, Iron Maiden and to a lesser extent Kiss.
I just think its amazing with all the shit Green Day has been through, that the lead singer, Billie Joe has been married to Adrienne since 1994. It's hard making a regular marriage last that long but especially in rock bands and Hollywood it's unheard of. Plus they raised two completely level headed sons, one being in the up coming band SWMRS who are signed to Fueled by Ramen. Though SWMRS is NOTHING like Green Day. Never compare them they hate it more than anything, though they still do love Green Day since well they all grew up with the band personally. The other 3 band members are completely level headed too even though they are all from ultra rich households. So hats off to their parents for not letting wealth get the best of them.
@@user-dj6lj1dl1c Joey groomed his underage girlfriend Lydia (lead singer for the Regrettes). He was 22, she was 16 at the time. SWMRS posted a statement a few months ago about sexual assault because of allegations relating to other bands at the time and bragged that their shows are a safe place (they did that a lot on Twitter). The Regrettes then made a statement about Lydia and what happened to her. Things went down on social media. All of their fans (including me) have turned their back on SWMRS because of their double standards. It sucks, I liked Joey and the guys and their music but what he did is illegal. Billie kicked him out of home (or so what people have heard from Jakob). I wouldn't expect anything less considering his legendary dropkick.
I don't think anyone ever talks about this (you touched on a lot of it), but even today Green Day are pretty active in the bay area, which is sick. My cousin bartends and Trey gave him a $200 tip on like three beers, I've had friends who have run into BJA at shows (and have been knocked down in a pit and helped up by him), they still support small bands, etc.
I remember an interview with Billie being questioned about Green Day still being Punk and he answered with "We're not Punk, our songs have 4 chords", prolly one of my favorite sarcastic interview responses by any band. Green Day didn't care if they were punk or not, they just wanted to write great songs and not waste away in the gutter like every other "True" punk band out there. That's really the thing that separated Green Day from the rest of the underground punk acts, DIY'ers and a lot of the underground punks said they didn't care about their image when in actuality they really felt like they needed to keep up appearances to fit in with the rest of the underground, so when some band like Green Day comes along and shows that just following whatever the Underground says is "True Punk" and end up having a successful career writing great punk songs the DIY'ers get insecure and jealous. If anything Green Day are the perfect example of Joel Wanasek's 'No Small Time" mantra Keep it up Finn!
I love Mike’s quote from a different interview. Interviewer: is Punk dead? Mike: I knew Punk, he was a close personal friend of mine. And he may be dead, but he lives on in all of us.
Can not say enough about how much Green Day means to me. Without them I never would have gotten into Rancid, The Offspring or NOFX (and a ton of other SoCal 90's punk/ska bands). Further to that, without them I might never have seriously dug into the bands that inspired them and all those other bands (DK, The Ramones, The Misfits, The Clash--the list goes on). In fact, Green Day was the first punk band I introduced my kids to. I'll always owe them my love of punk and I'm glad you took the time to do this video. Great channel. Keep up the great work.
Same here bro. If not for green day, I would have never been exposed to underground punk and it lead me to buy albums from other labels such as Epitaph, Nitro, look out, fat wreck chords, and the list goes on and on.
I don't understand why people were so fed up about them being "sell outs". Why would you dislike a band because you're jealous of their success? You should be happy for them and be supportive:)
I lived through this. They were a small, touring band that I saw in a tiny club in July '94. Two weeks later at Woodstock '94 they became well-known through the famous mud slinging after it rained. By November they were on SNL and the major talk shows. That's all there is to it.
Green Day is my all-time favorite band. I heard American Idiot when I was 13 and I was never the same. That being said, I knew so little about their contributions to the DIY Punk scene, and even less about their contributions AFTER they got famous. Always figured "86" was them flipping the scene the bird and moving on. Very cool, all the more reason to love them!
People that say Green Day are “sell outs” are punk elitists. The golems of the world, who don’t want to share their “precious”. Green Day signing to a major kabel put their sound into the ears of millions of kids that would have otherwise been listening to maroon five or nickelback. Many of those kids that enjoyed their first experience with Green Day, looked for their older stuff and looked fir other bands from the east bay like Mr. T Experience and the other bands you mentioned. A true “a rising tide raises all boats” scenario. I would argue that most east bay bands did better over the years than they would have if Green Day had not blown up.
Bands don't have a choice who listens to their music haha I've been a punk since I was in grade school and I'm 42 now . I've always seen green day and punk. Just because more people liked them for a while meant nothing . They didn't change their music to get that . It just managed to transcend and it was relatable tk a lot of people . They didn't control that narrative . People who use the words " sell out " are idiots . The MAIN FOCUS of a career band is to do it for a living and have as many people related to their music as possible . Then when they DO that they're sell outs ??? Haha keep making your shit music in your shit studios with your shit producers and keep your " cred " ...... writing music for a living and having millions of people love it is as far from being a failure as it gets . These idiots who think otherwise are morons and should all do their jobs for free . Or they're Sell outs too . Haha duh
I gotta admit, when I was 10 years old, sick on the couch all covered in blankets, MTV Buzzclips played "Longview", and it changed my life. I was in awe. This is what was missing from life. I was obsessed.
Being old now it’s funny to me how hypocritical the punk scene was. I just saw someone mention it and it’s very true. Punk was meant for the outcasts the people who didn’t belong right and punk developed their sub genres and there began the different classes. I was a street punk. And it makes sense now like we did what we knew. We created labels and separated ourselves accordingly and with that developed attitudes towards each punk sub genres. We did what we all hated so much about society. We became what we hated. We created a system that mirrored what every punk song bitches about lol everything comes to an end. Enjoyed my years in the scene. Most important years of my life.
Green Day is the reason I got into punk, which absolutely changed my life and shaped the person I am today. Thanks for this video. Loved every second of it ❤️
The punk scene can scoff at Green Day all they want...but it survives today because of bands like Green Day. Like it or not, had Punk not blown up in the early 90's, it would have probably have died out...because a lot of kids, myself included...found punk rock through bands like Green Day and the Offspring. That means new fans to keep it going and what do ya know, punk rock is still going strong today and I think we have the bands that "sold out" to thank for that. Labels like Fat Wreck Chords and Epitaph, they were finally making bank thanks to the punk rock explosion of the 90's and skater culture. Fat Mike even says it all the time, had Green Day not blown up...his label would have died a long time ago and we'd have none of that great music today. So if you're a fan of any of those 90's punk labels and the bands they had on their roster...then you have bands like Green Day to thank for them even existing at all! I hate the elitism in punk rock as well, it's bullshit, it's a mentality that keeps you from just enjoying the music...and the music is all it really should be about. Is the music good or not, that's all that should matter, do you like the music or don't you...who cares what anybody else thinks, that's more punk rock to me then some elite club of idiots telling you what's punk and what's not. At the end of the day, Green Day's music is still good. The DIY underground can hate it all they want, but those scenes sure weren't doing much to keep themselves relevant and alive, but Green Day sure was. Punk is alive and thriving today, because of these guys and bands like them. Green Day brought me to this music and I can't thank them enough for that.
xbertocoaylax: the underground was doing pretty strong at the time ya, but it's debatable if it would still be as strong as it is today, if the 90's boom hadn't brought in a shit ton more fans. Especially fans that didn't have access to local scenes as strong as Gilman or CBGB's or any other major city scene at the time. I grew up in Central Canada, a town of 500 people, far far removed from these scenes. You think me or others like me (who are currently supporters of our local scenes) would have found punk rock if it wasn't playing on the radio when we were kids? Not very likely. But punk as a whole is just a great genre of music, so it's really that sound that could never die. So I'm sure it would always be around, but to say that it would be as strong as it currently is today without bands like Green Day...that's doubtful, but I guess we'll never know for sure now.
@@MrSirhcsellor i really have to agree, i am from a small village in Austria and without Green Day opening up my interest in rock music, i'd definitely wouldn't be listening to Counterparts, Knocked Loose or Turnstile now.
Tbh I never understood the trend of disliking a band for successfully expanding their business. In the end your band(music) is your business, you have bills to pay and a family to feed. There's some bands out there that I personally don't like their new material but I'll still support them. Wish people were more open minded with a bands growth. Also on a side note just wanna say I really enjoy your videos and the topics you cover!
Yeah the idea of punk is strictly, play shitty underground clubs, make no money, be hooked on drugs until you die an untimely death, thats the punk way
*THANK YOU* In my opinion- the idea of “Selling Out” is truly when one compromises their values and ethos for wealth and fame. They *never* once did that. Green Day is and has always been the same Green Day from the late 80’s in the DIY scene. They just broke out and became popular. You can’t fault someone for the fact that loads of people end up liking them, or that they made lots of money. You *can* fault fault someone for abandoning their values for it afterwards. You can call it “Tall Poppy Syndrome”, or you can call it “Player Hating” like the hip-hop community would. It refers to the same elitist way of thinking and both terms apply for how much flack that Green Day gets, in my opinion, unfairly. Green Day never once abandoned their values- and as you said, still do tons of work for the DIY community, and for those who stand where they stood before. You can grow and change - but will always retain a trace and core of who you were. You’re still who you were, but you look different now. You are still you. They *never* compromised who they were. That’s not selling out. That’s evolution.
green day has a special place in my heart, they were the ones who in grade school got me from classic rock into punk. eventually sending me down the rabbit hole ,and I know they’ve done the same for a lot of people. I actually got to see them play at the house of blues in cleveland a few years back right before their rock hall of fame induction and they played songs off of kerplunk and their old lookout eps they hadn’t played since the 90s! They even brought out tim armstrong for the show. It was super cool because i know its the closest I could get to being able to see one of those gilman shows that took place a decade before I was even born. Great video! btw dope angel du$t shirt
Sell outs or not, I would never have found all the great punk bands if I didn't have the bigger pop punk bands as a starting point. I didn't have friends who listened to any of it, so I had to find it myself. Seeing bands like Green Day and The Offspring on TV allowed me to get into the genre and work my way down to the smaller bands. Green Day isn't a band I really listen to anymore, but I have mad appreciation and respect for what they've done.
@@Master_of_Critique dude pop means popular aka having a large fan base and while they signed to WB they were still exposing millions of people to that style of music not only that but inspiring many to become politically aware and involved that is a solid in my book (also look into their Non profit work and activism) they used/use their platform for good
Amen! Couldn't have said it better. They were my first concert ever & now the last concert I went to last year. Mike (bassist) invited me. That was one of the coolest moments of my life. And their state presence/energy is amazing.
Not every band has the balls to touch millions of people with their music all around the world. But if you have it why should you waste your talent. For me green day is the only band that blew me away and that strong that it changed my life totally. And i know I'm not alone that feels the same. Signing up for to major lable is thier best decision. For the greater good.
Yeah but calm down cuz there's been plentiful of others throughout the decades in fact it would be boring cuz I don't like making long lists and I'm talking bands not solo artists
green day defined an era for me. I was actually really young when they started topping charts but their sound was everywhere and garnered a lot of imitators. you didn't need to like anything punk to have heard green day. always great to get a bit older and go through a band like this' catalogue and discover both old and new feelings.
I'd say blink-182 but I know you already have that one on the works, so I'll go with Neck Deep. They went really big in the pop punk realm, or Architects, they're also massive.
I'm turning 25 in a month. Green Day is the first band I was ever into, I was 9 in 2004 when American Idiot was released, and it was a big hit even in elementary school. I still listen to Green Day time to time again. Personally I don't care for what genre they may or may not be, or if they are sell outs or not. Many people accused my now favourite artist Marilyn Manson of being a sell out, but if so, he made the right choice, or his name wouldn't mean anything. anyways, maybe do a "How did Marilyn Manson get so big?" video some time?
I went to a party last weekend with hundreds of college kids who definitely didn't grow up with much punk music, but could sing every word to Green Day's songs. So cool to see the music you loved as a kid still going strong.
The first show I ever went to when I was maybe 11 or 12 was Green Day when they were touring for their 21st Century Breakdown album. Even though it was a decade ago I still remember when they called this 17 year old kid in a tie dye shirt onto the stage and asked if he played any instruments. Turns out he played guitar and spent countless hours picking away to Green Day songs and he proceeded to play the entirety of Jesus of Suburbia. It was what really started my love for live music and those experiences you just cant get from a studio album.
Green Day started it all for me when I was 12 (i'm 21 now). I heard American Idiot and was instantly hooked and obsessed. I needed more. Before that, i was never really into music. Now it's everything to me and if it weren't for them, i don't think i would've bothered to pick up a guitar at 12 years old and eventually get into music production and DJing at 14. I still listen to them now, but mainly their older stuff from 90s to 2009. Sounds cliche as fuck but they'll always have a place in my heart just for that and being my gateway band to the world of punk rock. still bummed that i have yet to see them live though ):
Ha, they started it all for me when I was 12 too. But I'm 40 now. Saw them live for the first time in 1993 for 5$ in the reception hall attatched to an effing country bar. A month later, Longview was all over MTV and radio. It's so weird to think about those days now. I miss the way the music made me feel mostly. I love it more than ever now but that feeling as a new teen short on life experience is gone forever.
@@imvandenh That's just what happens man. Sometimes I wonder if I should have never gotten into music, but I'll love it forever. I'm 43, and the whole work-like-a-fucking-dog thing just for a stupid house, bills to pay, mouths to feed, "my job is better than your job, I'm successful and hardworking" and all that proper adult horseshit just doesn't mean anything to me. Maybe I would have turned out that way anyway, I don't know, but my love for music put the usual proper-mature-adult shit in a certain perspective, it feels empty futile to me compared to the authentic joy I got from making good music.
I'm a guitar teacher, and thanks to green day, I've had a steady flow of kids wanting to learn guitar because they love green day. As far as I'm concerned, they're awesome. They've written good music over the years. They're maintained their punk sound while mixing in a few more pop-y songs here and there to make the A&R guys happy.
I was born in 93 and some of my first memories are of Green Day playing in the car on the top 40 station my mom listened to. American Idiot absolutely electrified the like, 4 or 5 alternative-leaning kids at my very small school when it came out. I was pretty disappointed in their last few albums but they've been in my life for literally all of it and that's so cool. They're also the first place I ever heard of My Chemical Romance, who later turned into the band that defined my adolescence, when they toured together in 04-05. When I was in college I was lucky enough to be really involved in the DIY punk scene in my college town, which similar to how you described the Gillman scene had a super tight knit and a long list of unwritten rules about not being racist/sexist/homophobic and sharing with and caring for everyone in the pit with you. Even though Green Day has been with me for more than 20 years, I never knew that's where they came from, and I feel like my intense love of my old DIY scene just adds additional layers of meaning to it all
One of the biggest bands of my childhood and the reason I play guitar. Have they released some crappy albums, sure- but I still play their songs with my friends and I’m 40. Always in my heart
Been waiting for this one, I've been a Green Day fan for the past 14 years seen all the documentaries and all that jazz and I think you did a real good job on this!
Good coverage, my man! hey what about doing a "what happened to ska" video? you can dive into all the ska sub genres like Ska-punk (all the Asian Man Records bands that you said you liked), ska-core (Link 80, AAA and others like that), the real pop-ska-punk bands like Less Than Jake, Bosstones, and Reel Big Fish, and even like two tone pioneers like the Specials, and the Skatalites who sorta paved the way for all these similar but different styles. anyway, regardless, i love your content. you've got me all kinds of nostalgic with some of your vids. keep it up, bro!
I literally say the same thing! It's absolutely ridiculous the elitist attitude that some of these bands have. I got into punk because I was fucking reject and I found a group that didn't care what I was like, and the deeper I got in the scene the more I realized that just wasn't true. When I saw that documentary called the other F word about guys in punk bands having kids and needing to sell their music to make money for their families, my heart just broke for some of these guys. They are met with such contempt because they don't want their kids to starve. I don't particularly like the direction and sound the music went after the 2000's but that I still hold a very special place in my heart for green day. Dookie was the first CD I ever purchased, and if it weren't for mainstream punk on the radio I wouldn't have ever been exposed to it because I didn't know anyone that listened to it. The offspring, sublime, bad religion and rancid all hit me in 1994 because of KROQ in los Angeles, and because I didn't have any friends and my family didn't listen to any of this stuff it was my only window into that world
@@xbfdx988 No they can’t. Then they’re sell outs. They’re only allowed to feed their familes with the few bucks they earn from gigs. If they don’t they ain’t punk!
I love this series! I'm a trap/grime/hip hop rapper and I love seeing how these acts marketed themself and how they made the impact they did! I'm wanting to learn guitar and shift my musical style to rock/punk/metal/trap! Im loving diving into he world of bands! Keep up the great content!
That's awesome! Malcolm McLaren said that hip hop was the black community's version of punk. Get a guitar that you think is sexy, it can be expensive or cheap. Get an amp that pushes 50 watts or more, I prefer Vox's VT series. I have a VT 30 and its pretty good, it has effects in it. It takes time to learn to play, then more time to play and sing. I can say its worth it. I've had the chance to play behind a hip hop guy and it was different. Like most punk bands go and make the music you want to hear! Best of luck!
This was such a great video! Green Day is easily my favorite band. Even my younger cousin, who was only 5 years old at the time, fell in love with Green Day from me listening to them. Another reason I feel they got so big is because they put on such great live performances. Getting to see them play was amazing.
i love the fact you mention how they try to make music like queen, instantly got me thinking of jesus of suburbia which is pretty much the bohemian rapsody of punk :D
Inside the "punk community" they'll hate on anything mainstream. Even if you keep making the same music with the same sound. Once you hit a little mainstream success, you're a "sellout".
Did you ever hear of their side project that they started back in like 2000-2004 called "The Network" where they all wore masks to cover up their identities? Apparently, they missed the days of being unknown and playing basement shows at shitty venues so that was their way of getting around it and being able to do that again without being noticed. Eventually people caught on so the project kind of just fizzled out but still they had some pretty catchy tunes which consisted of pop punk mixed with electronic esque keyboards and weird/corky effects on the vocals. Feel free to check them out if you haven't already.
There's a difference between "selling out" and "cashing in". Selling out is when you're willing to change everything about your sound, your looks, your ethics, just for fame and riches. Green Day just kept doing what they were doing all along, got really successful from it, and made savvy business decisions to capitalize on their success and reach a larger audience. Nothing wrong with that. This "punk = being anti-success" is ridiculous! Every album Ramones put out they were hoping would be a financial success. Hell, Ramones 'sold out' back in 1980 by changing their entire sound by going with a much more pop feel and taking on Phil Spector as producer. This is all just sour grapes, jealousy from other punk bands when one group gets super successful.
Another reason for Green Day's success and longevity is that their songs are pretty easy for most people to sing and not sound terrible. You're going to remember and love songs you can sing along to at the top of your voice and actually sound good doing it. Their songs are as flattering to sing as certain styles of clothing are to wear -- and that's why we keep coming back to them and feel a connection to others through them. Everyone loves to feel confident and comfortable and I don't know another band's songs that do that better.
Dookie was my introduction to punk back in 1994. I immediately bought their previous albums then started looking into other punk bands. The dickish gatekeeping is the only thing I never liked or understood about the scene.
Yeah, calling people sellouts is the lamest shit. Even if it was slightly different back then, it's so damn hard to make it in the music industry, that having any sort of success is a miracle - whether you're "selling out" or not.
"I met a boy wearing Vans, 501s And a dope Beastie tee, nipple rings, and new tattoos That claimed that he was OGT, back from '92, the first EP And in between sips of Coke He told me that he thought we were selling out Laying down, sucking up to the man" "All you know about me is what I've sold you, dumb fuck I sold out long before you ever heard my name I sold my soul to make a record, dipshit, and you bought one" Tool - "Hooker with a penis" XD
I got my first CD when I was 10, and it was Dookie. It opened the door to all kinds of great music that I would have never been exposed to otherwise. When I first heard Green Day, I wanted to be in a band, so I started playing guitar. I thought it was pretty cool seeing my son stick a Green Day sticker to his phone case 25 years later.
Pretty sure every punk documentary that I have seen that had other “non-sellout” bands discussing Green Day always had good things to say because they did come from their scene and they brought all in a ton of new listeners to their music.
Thank you for posting this! I've always said, punk is what you make it. The time that you put labels, guidelines, or restrictions on punk is when it doesn't truly exist. Its kinda contradictory to the consensus definition of punk.
I've joined the GD craze in the early 2000's in their American Idiot era. As a 12-13 year old they were the gateway to oldschool punk stuff like The Ramones and The Clash. Because they didn't shy away from their roots, the pointed back to them with pride. That really got me than. I can even listen to their post Idiot stuff, and still enjoy their music. Like you said: timeless. Thx for the great vid and quality content, my man!
I hate elitists in punk and in any music genre for that matter. Like how is it a bad thing that Green Day got big? That means more people can be exposed to the genre of music you love so much and delve way deeper into it. Past the mainstream. I didn't grow up in an area with any semblance of a punk community and without hearing Green Day on the radio as a young kid, i never would've bought American Idiot and fell in love with it, which means i never would've bought their older albums which means it'd be way less likely i would've ever found Anti-Flag, Operation Ivy, Rancid, The Clash, Social Distortion. etc. Green Day being "mainstream" introduced me and many many others to other fantastic groups.
Agreed, I grew up in a small town of 500 people...we didn't have a punk scene....heck we barely had a gas station. xD I started with Dookie back in the day, then Offspring, then I found bands like Propagandhi, NOFX and AFI and it got me digging deeper and deeper and now I'm a punk fan for life! I've played in punk rock bands and I keep going to any shows that happen by my area, so I'm a loyal contributor to helping the scene as a whole stay alive as best I can. Would probably never have happened without Green Day and I know thousands of people have the same story.
Without Green Day and Bad Religion I'd have never found out about Black Flag or Circle Jerks and obviously those 2 were one of the greatest punk groups because they were so underground and shit. Those morons in their 40-50's who the fuck cares . Punk helped me to find my true self with the little help of skateboarding as well. I saw people say elitist is a bad word cuz it was always against elitism ,well fuck you guys cause if you diss your own kind you're pretty much an elitist . Punk was never about getting drunk and getting dumber and dumber by time, it was always about having a place to fit in and have fun. Even the true gate keepers were only just a bunch of kids who used to live a normal suburban life then go out to have some fun within their boring and repetitive life in their 12-16's. Not to mention without Green Day I'd have never ever thought about picking up a guitar and try to play it then eventually form a punk band with cal punk to thrash punk songs ..
@@cohngo The whole elitist bs completely goes against what Punk is supposed to be. It's supposed to be free. It's supposed to be welcoming to anyone and everyone. It's anti establishment and anti hate. It's not supposed to have strict set rules and guidelines that people have to follow. Anyone who says "so and so isn't punk!" Or tries to question someones love for punk music based on their knowledge of some obscure thrash punk band from the 80s who only ever put out an EP and a 7" Is the most un-punk of anyone.
Finn has a great way of chipping away at the ice on my shoulder. This video definitely made me re-think my opinion on the band. I've not given any of their albums, past dookie, a shred of play. I personally don't care for their music but really enjoyed hearing about their history. Next time a Green Day song comes on I'll unclench my jaw and try singing along.
Green Day is my favourite band. I like every song they have made, and love most of them. Their music has always helped me get through my times of depression, anxiety and worry. I truly believe they have saved my life. I have three tattoos of their album art on my right arm, which will eventually become a full sleeve.
The third point you made about how they resonate with people out of genre interest rang true to me. My gf loves dance-pop & soul/R&B and she loves Green Day almost as much as I do.
Green day eventually had me searching for crust punk and hardcore punk which means that they probably didn't just introduce kids to pop punk. They probably introduced us all to punk in general so I think Green Day should be respected. I remember someone tell me they saw Green Day in Dayton Ohio in 1993 and they got booed off stage by all the punks lol
Back in December my band played 924 Gilman St for the first time. As A kid who grew up in a trailer park in central Texas, this felt really important to me.
" a band is good till they make enough cash to eat food , and get a pad . Then they've sold out and their musics cliche , Cus talents exclusive to bands without pay . Know it all . Know it all. Did you even listen to that song ? Could you ever write what you call wrong ? Know it all . " - joey cape -LAGWAGON .
Gale Force I think the way to tell if a band has truly sold out out is if they’ve completely changed their tune and are pushing out mindless crap. THAT is selling out, just sitting on the money, not paying at least something forward, or they start writing by formula. See: Nickelback. THAT is what fucking sellouts look like.
sparkleshyguy85 oh for sure . GREEN DAY have always stayed the same . They've just honed their music into what they've grown into musically. For a band to want to last , and relate to as many people as possible , they need to spread . Some labels just don't have that $$ or power . They made a LOT of $$ for lookout . But needed more than they could offer . It's natural progression to use a label to help get you out there . I don't know why more people weren't PROUD of them. Some of these " punk " scenes are pathetic . It's like success is seen as a failure . And you suck if you sound good . Haha it's stupid . BLINK 182 said it best . They were asked about what it's like to be banned from Gilman . They said " if they don't want us , who fuxkimg cares . We play for hundreds of thousands of people , who cares about Gilman . " The elitist views of people like that just hinder the scene . Embracing the bands that start there and then make it to success , would help promote every other band in that scene . I heard of TILT from the Longview video when Tre wore a tilt shirt . I found SQUIRTGUN when MIKE wore a squirtgun shirt on stage at Woodstock. These bands would never see that kind of publicity alone . Disliking that sort of recognition is stupid .i saw PANSY DIVISION with green day on tour in TORONTO with THE RIVERDALES too. When they opened for green day. None of these bands would have found my ear ( in the age before the internet was so easily accessible) and I'm glad they did . People should see it for what it is . And stop being babies .
Green Day was the skeleton key that a lot of kids (including myself) used to access a lot of great classic bands in addition to diy culture and history. I don't think that can really be overstated.
Green Day will Always have a special place in my heart!! The gave back to Gilman, cause they remember where they came from, Green Day were getting around in a pos van, slept on floors, living day to day. They decided to jump on a major label and the backlash started, they wanted their music to get out there and have decent equipment so I don’t dog them to signing, Bad religion and ramones went on major labels and never got backlash, anyway I love Green Day just as much as I love the Germs, I support Green Day and support them 100%
Growing up in WV in the 90s, I didn't have access to all of these "scenes" like the Bay Area or Seattle. I knew about things my friends listened to and what I saw on MTV. The first time I heard Basketcase from Dookie, I was hooked. I started to explore and found out that this wasn't their first album. I was able to get a hold of Lookout and order their previous albums. I think it's sad to think that someone "sold out" to become successful. We should want things that we like to succeed and those artists to be paid well for their work.
Green day introduced me into the punk community. i still remember clear as day being in like 3rd or 4th grade and seeing the music video for American idiot on my tv and being like “yup. this is it. this is my thing” and it completely changed my whole world. while many may not consider them punk anymore they were definitely a gateway into it because in the community i was in i had never heard anything like that or been exposed to that culture since it was mostly about rap/hiphop/reggaeton. even though i was all the way on the east coast green day opened my interest at a young age to that type of music and the punk scenes in like NY and CT. i’m 23 now and starting with just that one song/video i’m heavy into the bay area hxc scene and a huge fan of powerviolence now with so many experiences in between. people should give them more credit because for so many they’re definitely a starting point :)
Reason #1=Dookie Reason #2=American Idiot What more do you need to say? Dookie was an insane album and then American Idiot took all the best parts of Dookie's sound and it got even better in American Idiot, not to mention some of the most direct and exact representations of how a teenager/young adult felt at that stage in their life. Jesus of Suburbia is still my favorite song ever written, it just strikes a chord so deeply within me it's almost spiritual, and I'm not even religious.
My brother gave me his copy of Doookie in 1994 when I was 6 and it changed my life. Although I'm not a fan of their later stuff, Dookie was the first album I fell in love with.
This might sound overly sentimental but it’s true: Though I’ve never met the guy, the catalyst who got me to step out of the single-minded, football-first, aggressively backward culture that I was brought-up in and gave me the confidence to express myself was Billie Joe Armstrong. Cynics can call Green Day sellouts but the band’s impact was huge. They changed my life and the same can be said for a lot of kids who were just like me. - Love your videos, Finn!
I remember seeing an interview with Fat Mike where he said Greenday never sold because they never changed their music to be popular. The music they made just got really popular.
Just watched ‘turn it around’ it seems maximumrocknroll’s beef was ‘consumerism’ they didn’t want punk rock to be ‘commodified’ imo 2 mistakes : -thinking a record on an indie label isn’t a commodity -thinking people outside their scene were too dumb to get it
Music elitism comes in so many forms. I had the displeasure of a local punk and metal scene full of people who cared more about clothing than music. Dress like the first image search result for punk and you could like as much mainstream as you wanted. Just wear a hoodie and jeans didn't matter how underground you tastes were they wanted nothing to do with you.
Green Day is one of my favorite bands ever. When I was 13 I got dookie. Then Woodstock happened and I found the song Paper Lanterns. From there I found 1039 and Kerplunk. Changed my life. I think as you said Billie Joe us an amazing lyricist. He wrote songs about how I felt. Songs about not getting the girl. About adolescents and I ate it up. I got to see my two favorite bands on the Pop Disaster tour. Blink and Green Day on the same bill. Mind blowing.
My friend showed me Green Day's American Idiot when I was 10/12 and I became OBSESSED! I'm 24 now and they're One of my FAVE (If not my favourite) band!
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Great video. Im not a huge fan of Greenday, but i respect them and their music. I still remember when ppl said Sick of it All and H20 sold out. Ppl like that are the minority and are usually miserable. Theres nothing wrong with being happy for other people's success
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On the whole "they give back" deal, Mike Dirnt has donated a massive amount of electric instruments to public schools throughout California on the grounds that "The kid who wants to learn to play the bass guitar isn't gonna be all that interested in playing hot cross buns on a recorder."
Hot cross buns is a banger though
Aiden i love this
Not to mention he has ran marathons and all sorts in the name of Breast cancer. His wife had cancer a few years ago and instead of just sitting there and throwing money at charities and research he got out there and participated in activities to raise money and awareness while posting it to his Instagram to reach an even wider audience and get them to participate in upcoming events for things they care about. All of Green Day care and it really shows in how level headed their kids are, you never see them causing trouble in the media.
Kat K Well, aside from Billie Joe’s alcohol fueled meltdown at the iHeartRadio festival back in 2013, but that was really an anomaly and he has obviously remained clean since then
He had a really good point; I've wanted to play bass for a couple of years and before I got my own, the shitty, beat up one at school was my saviour
By “selling out” despite everyone else’s decision I think they were the truest punk guys in the room. Punk is being true to yourself and that’s what they were.
@@xbfdx988 it’s all about the money u would sell out to
Nah, they weren't. I mean I have mad respect for Green Day, and they're still a great band -- I listened to the whole American Idiot album this week -- but selling out was not a punk move. Green Day is a ton of things, but when you're apologizing to Clear Channel for running over Justin Beiber's time slot, you may be a lot of things, but you aren't punk. They have a ton of respect for where they came from and do a lot of great things to help the scene still, but their ambition was not to be the best punk band, it was to be the best rock band. I think fulfilled that goal.
to quote SLC punk "Being punk isn't always about the clothes you wear, its about the beliefs in the genere and beliefs in the music that makes you punk. (i think i may have misquoted that and i apologize in advance if i did)
I agree. I like them they actually have a message about politics as well. How is that a sell out?
Utter nonsense.
so glad this comment section is just a love letter to Green Day
Refreshing isnt it??
Yeah man, I was thinking It was gonna be a warzone. They are my favorite band so I'm glad you did this video, it's nice to see someone tell the punk purists to relax. Especially given that Green Day introduced so many kids into this music who would go on to also listen to "true punk".
PS - your other videos are amazing, really dug the one about easycore. Keep it up.
@@ThePunkRockMBA I agree and I believe Dookie was the catalyst for their enormous fame. In fact I think it's their best album as far as entertaining that broad spectrum of fans from the "ghetto kids" to "middle white American kids".
I know I’m only a kid still and they’re my favourite band, I absolutely love them😍😂❤️
as it should be
You forgot a huge point...they are amazing live. They sound exactly like the studio version, if not better. Even when they were using drugs.
I was one of those fans who liked them on Lookout and then lost interest when they "sold out" and I agree. I was doing voter registration on the American Idiot tour and I got to see them for free. I didn't particularly care when I got there, but they were incredible. Billie Joe has grown so much as a performer and front man. They were a fun punk band when I saw them at the club, but he's turned into a total rock start in the good sense.
They're Better live
everyone knows being ambitious and improving yourself/your brand is a no no in the punk world
Exactly - everyone has to stay as miserable as i am!!
Honestly Greenday sounds like shit and thats why I dont like them. Idgaf if they are big or not, i dont want to hear their music. Id literally rather hear silence than hear anything by green day. Ive heard garage bands with more lyrical creativity that sound better, even on knock off amps and no acoustics in the venue.
I have always considered Green Day to be a Pop boyband. I didn't know anybody gave a fuck about them in the punk world until I found this video haha.
@Dylan Burton People need money to buy food, water, shelter, and instruments. People don't have to be homeless to make punk music
“freedom of speech does not mean freedom from its consequences.”
“You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant.”
That's my biggest problem with punk. Lack of ambition, they see success as a bad thing, I know this because I lived in that gutter and now that I'm a grown up I don't have pot to piss in or a window to throw it out. A little late for me but lesson learned. Stay in school kids, learn a trade, mAke something of yourself.
THE COMMENTARY OF THE DECADE.
Crabs in a bucket, hip hop is the same way....
Everyone that makes it gets hated because they escaped the bucket, the rest just spend their time pulling each other down...
John Smith if you think they didn’t want to “make it” you’re sadly mistaken. They were the biggest punk band of their time and stayed true to their ideals. Nothing but commendable.
@@johnsmith-wc8gs Punks are hypocritical. They forget that a lot of the older punk bands were HUGE and they try to ignore that.
@Amber134 Xo I agree Insomniac was a masterpiece from start to finish. I can relate to it on many levels other than the drug use. My favorite GD album.
Green Day was the first alternative band I listened to, and was my gateway to punk, hardcore and metal. Without Dookie (and Smash for that matter) maybe I never went down that path. Saw them play for the first time last year... And what I saw was thousands of kids going mental over their favorite band. Like I did 25 years ago
Frank De Vries REVOLUTION RADIO! green day is still relevant and amazing
same,, green day is the first band that I genuinely liked and the pioneer for my favorite music genres today:')
Hell yeah!!
Same bro, absolute same...
I'm a big ramonescore fan so I should like green day but honestly I thought offspring was better and honestly when we were in high school offspring seemed edgier
I was 14 when American Idiot came out and will never forget the affect that album had on me. It essentially got me into music full stop. Later that year I queued for hours to see them at my first ever concert and Bille Joe got me on stage in front of 14,000 people. As a 14 year old kid that shit is powerful and created the passion for music that I went on to have. People can call them sell outs or whatever but when a band has that affect on young kids who otherwise may have only listened to super manufactured pop music I think they deserve a hell of a lot of credit.
What show was it?
when i was 14 dookie came out lol
I was in my mom's stomach during that time lol
@@aussieguy1012 Same LOL. Go Gen-X!
I feel this. After American Idiot came out, when I was 12, this album is really what ignited a passion for music in me.
What I'm hearing is: Green Day was always going to blow up. It was their goal from the get go. They worked really hard to blow up, and after they did they tried as much as they could to help out the bands around them from when they got their start. Everyone in the DIY community benefited from them becoming successful, popular, and wealthy. You can hate it as much as you want, it just goes to show: people, not money, are susceptible to moral judgement. Money isn't evil or good, the people with it and what they choose to do with it are.
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I was there at the time (I mean, at Gilman in '92) and I have to say I was upset when they signed to a major because the scene was "our thing," and I thought they were f-ing it up (and to an extent, they were), but I really back this comment 100%. I have a ton of respect for Green Day.
I don’t know how a band managed to make punk boring, but Green Day managed it.
god love ‘em they managed to make punk rock boring in the sense that they sung melodies to us and cranked out riffs for us. Good guitar tone. They brought back the sense of pride in crafting pop music like the Beatles did
@@camillailiad6346that's exactly how I feel even when they were on lookout records they were at their best but they seemed so safe and generic compared to a lot of other bands even in the pop punk genre
I was obsessed with Green Day growing up. I was part of the second generation of fans which jumped on with American Idiot. These guys were seriously my heroes back then. I remember my parents took me and my older brother to a concert during the tour for that album with Jimmy Eat World. I lost interest when I got a bit older and started listening to heavier music and eventually a lot of rap. But I just saw them a couple weeks ago with Fall out Boy and Weezer. What’s crazy to me is how it seems like no time has passed. They still have that same energy with their performances, and still exude the passion that I loved so much growing up. I’m not the biggest fan in the world anymore. But I’ll always respect Green Day.
I did some brushing up before the show like any decent concert goer with an artist they don’t listen to 24/7. But I was still shocked by how many hits these guys have. Fall out Boy and Weezer both have 5 or 6. But Green Day did a 21 song set and 90% of them were certified classics that everyone in attendance knew the words to. Not many bands can say that. Even the ones who’ve been around just as long.
The biggest thing I can’t stand about the punk community and all it’s sub genres, is the phrase “sell out.” It’s the only music genre that throws shade to artists that actually can make a living making music that they love.
One life One Chance #positivementalattitude Definitely agree. The only occasion the phrase "sell out" could be used (IMO) is not when someone does what they love and make money out of it , but when they stop doing what they love to make money
The entire definition of sellout to me as a punker is when profit becomes more important than passion and let's be real many bands being spit out by labels today didnt have passion from the start, they are just a lotta fake bands the Industry pushes on kids to say LOOK THIS IS "PUNK" THIS IS COOL BUY OUR ALBUM! As for green day, I can't say for sure whether they sold out but they're music simply isnt punk. Even before they sold they're souls to the industry they walked the line more towards pop
@@SeasoningTheObese Haha no honey, the clash was formed In 76. punk rock was started in the states long before britian picked up on it. It was underground long before it gained traction but let's talk about the big players that actually "started" punk rock. Ramones est. 1974, New York Dolls est. 1971, The Velvet Underground est. 1964, The Stooges est. 1967, need I go on?
I'd also like to add that the reason punk is hostile to bands getting big is because in our minds punk isnt meant for a wide audience. The people in the scene are very proud of the culture we have made for ourselves in the underground and rightfully want to preserve that. If a band gets big, they arent playing for those punx and skins at the local punk house anymore and that's what it's always been about. Not fame or recognition or money but the family we have in the scene. It may be easier to get if people would stop looking at punk as just a genre of music. Its something we made ourselves in our backyards and basements because we hated all the mainstream crap that was being shoved down our throats. DIY or DIE!
@Nitro061 C I personally love the Ramones. And besides when it comes to punk knowing how to play isnt a neccecity as long as you can make it sound good
still have Green Day in regular rotation -- saw 'em years ago before they blew up - good stuff
thats not years ago, thats decades ago
Green Day will never "sell out" they give us what they love and what we love. I'm 55 and they never let me down. My only modern band!
Wow, you're 55 and still love rock music? As in, you really dig it and feel it? That's awesome :)
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@@devilsoffspring5519 there are people who're as old as your grandparents that like rock music
I'm 55,and I love Green Day.my friends laugh at me all the time.they act like everything that came out after 89 sucks.
Where I live their album Dookie was massive, and the next big thing was that Woodstock appearance with all the mud thrown on stage that became international news. Billy's guitar from that show is now priceless and still has mud on it. Add to that they have worked hard and been consistent. They have stuck with what works, very much the same as bands like ACDC, Iron Maiden and to a lesser extent Kiss.
Speaking of Dookie… That Woodstock mud had a lot of fecal content in it, look into it
I just think its amazing with all the shit Green Day has been through, that the lead singer, Billie Joe has been married to Adrienne since 1994. It's hard making a regular marriage last that long but especially in rock bands and Hollywood it's unheard of. Plus they raised two completely level headed sons, one being in the up coming band SWMRS who are signed to Fueled by Ramen.
Though SWMRS is NOTHING like Green Day. Never compare them they hate it more than anything, though they still do love Green Day since well they all grew up with the band personally. The other 3 band members are completely level headed too even though they are all from ultra rich households. So hats off to their parents for not letting wealth get the best of them.
I respect the hell out of Billie Joe for staying committed to his wife through all the fame. Ditto for John Lydon.
Well that aged like milk.
@@harperdelahaye7842 what happened
@@user-dj6lj1dl1c Joey groomed his underage girlfriend Lydia (lead singer for the Regrettes). He was 22, she was 16 at the time.
SWMRS posted a statement a few months ago about sexual assault because of allegations relating to other bands at the time and bragged that their shows are a safe place (they did that a lot on Twitter). The Regrettes then made a statement about Lydia and what happened to her. Things went down on social media. All of their fans (including me) have turned their back on SWMRS because of their double standards. It sucks, I liked Joey and the guys and their music but what he did is illegal.
Billie kicked him out of home (or so what people have heard from Jakob). I wouldn't expect anything less considering his legendary dropkick.
@@orladillon3389 bruh
I don't think anyone ever talks about this (you touched on a lot of it), but even today Green Day are pretty active in the bay area, which is sick. My cousin bartends and Trey gave him a $200 tip on like three beers, I've had friends who have run into BJA at shows (and have been knocked down in a pit and helped up by him), they still support small bands, etc.
I remember an interview with Billie being questioned about Green Day still being Punk and he answered with "We're not Punk, our songs have 4 chords", prolly one of my favorite sarcastic interview responses by any band.
Green Day didn't care if they were punk or not, they just wanted to write great songs and not waste away in the gutter like every other "True" punk band out there. That's really the thing that separated Green Day from the rest of the underground punk acts, DIY'ers and a lot of the underground punks said they didn't care about their image when in actuality they really felt like they needed to keep up appearances to fit in with the rest of the underground, so when some band like Green Day comes along and shows that just following whatever the Underground says is "True Punk" and end up having a successful career writing great punk songs the DIY'ers get insecure and jealous. If anything Green Day are the perfect example of Joel Wanasek's 'No Small Time" mantra
Keep it up Finn!
Well said my man !
I love Mike’s quote from a different interview.
Interviewer: is Punk dead?
Mike: I knew Punk, he was a close personal friend of mine. And he may be dead, but he lives on in all of us.
Can not say enough about how much Green Day means to me. Without them I never would have gotten into Rancid, The Offspring or NOFX (and a ton of other SoCal 90's punk/ska bands). Further to that, without them I might never have seriously dug into the bands that inspired them and all those other bands (DK, The Ramones, The Misfits, The Clash--the list goes on). In fact, Green Day was the first punk band I introduced my kids to. I'll always owe them my love of punk and I'm glad you took the time to do this video. Great channel. Keep up the great work.
Montrose Monkington TV same bro 😎🙌🙌🙌👍
Same here bro. If not for green day, I would have never been exposed to underground punk and it lead me to buy albums from other labels such as Epitaph, Nitro, look out, fat wreck chords, and the list goes on and on.
Green Day has had such an impact on me, something I admire so much is that Billie puts so much meaning and thought behind his songs.
I don't understand why people were so fed up about them being "sell outs". Why would you dislike a band because you're jealous of their success? You should be happy for them and be supportive:)
@@abigailnovy3408it's people who have made nothing of themselves pulling them down. Tall poppy syndrome.
I lived through this. They were a small, touring band that I saw in a tiny club in July '94. Two weeks later at Woodstock '94 they became well-known through the famous mud slinging after it rained. By November they were on SNL and the major talk shows. That's all there is to it.
and we did it without the world wide web! barefoot ! lol
I think your right @franticthrong it was that moment. BJ rocks
Green Day is my all-time favorite band. I heard American Idiot when I was 13 and I was never the same. That being said, I knew so little about their contributions to the DIY Punk scene, and even less about their contributions AFTER they got famous. Always figured "86" was them flipping the scene the bird and moving on. Very cool, all the more reason to love them!
People that say Green Day are “sell outs” are punk elitists. The golems of the world, who don’t want to share their “precious”. Green Day signing to a major kabel put their sound into the ears of millions of kids that would have otherwise been listening to maroon five or nickelback. Many of those kids that enjoyed their first experience with Green Day, looked for their older stuff and looked fir other bands from the east bay like Mr. T Experience and the other bands you mentioned. A true “a rising tide raises all boats” scenario. I would argue that most east bay bands did better over the years than they would have if Green Day had not blown up.
Do you not accept peoples opinons?
Bands don't have a choice who listens to their music haha I've been a punk since I was in grade school and I'm 42 now . I've always seen green day and punk. Just because more people liked them for a while meant nothing . They didn't change their music to get that . It just managed to transcend and it was relatable tk a lot of people . They didn't control that narrative . People who use the words " sell out " are idiots . The MAIN FOCUS of a career band is to do it for a living and have as many people related to their music as possible . Then when they DO that they're sell outs ??? Haha keep making your shit music in your shit studios with your shit producers and keep your " cred " ...... writing music for a living and having millions of people love it is as far from being a failure as it gets . These idiots who think otherwise are morons and should all do their jobs for free . Or they're Sell outs too . Haha duh
People forget the Ramones always wanted Green Day's success..they just never got it.
Isn't it Gollum?
Christian pussies being afraid of Hardcore was the reason. You gotta have Religious people buying your music or you'll rarely ever get "Big"
"My mom wouldn't have to live in a trailer anymore?..where do i sign?"-Mike Dirnt (!RESPECT!)
I gotta admit, when I was 10 years old, sick on the couch all covered in blankets, MTV Buzzclips played "Longview", and it changed my life. I was in awe. This is what was missing from life. I was obsessed.
Being old now it’s funny to me how hypocritical the punk scene was. I just saw someone mention it and it’s very true. Punk was meant for the outcasts the people who didn’t belong right and punk developed their sub genres and there began the different classes. I was a street punk. And it makes sense now like we did what we knew. We created labels and separated ourselves accordingly and with that developed attitudes towards each punk sub genres. We did what we all hated so much about society. We became what we hated. We created a system that mirrored what every punk song bitches about lol everything comes to an end. Enjoyed my years in the scene. Most important years of my life.
Green Day is the reason I got into punk, which absolutely changed my life and shaped the person I am today. Thanks for this video. Loved every second of it ❤️
Me too. After I heard Dookie is started out other lookout bands. I've been listening to Punk since 1994.
Green Day is pop music. Not Punk.
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The punk scene can scoff at Green Day all they want...but it survives today because of bands like Green Day. Like it or not, had Punk not blown up in the early 90's, it would have probably have died out...because a lot of kids, myself included...found punk rock through bands like Green Day and the Offspring. That means new fans to keep it going and what do ya know, punk rock is still going strong today and I think we have the bands that "sold out" to thank for that. Labels like Fat Wreck Chords and Epitaph, they were finally making bank thanks to the punk rock explosion of the 90's and skater culture. Fat Mike even says it all the time, had Green Day not blown up...his label would have died a long time ago and we'd have none of that great music today. So if you're a fan of any of those 90's punk labels and the bands they had on their roster...then you have bands like Green Day to thank for them even existing at all!
I hate the elitism in punk rock as well, it's bullshit, it's a mentality that keeps you from just enjoying the music...and the music is all it really should be about. Is the music good or not, that's all that should matter, do you like the music or don't you...who cares what anybody else thinks, that's more punk rock to me then some elite club of idiots telling you what's punk and what's not. At the end of the day, Green Day's music is still good. The DIY underground can hate it all they want, but those scenes sure weren't doing much to keep themselves relevant and alive, but Green Day sure was. Punk is alive and thriving today, because of these guys and bands like them. Green Day brought me to this music and I can't thank them enough for that.
Thanks for the essay 👌
xbertocoaylax: the underground was doing pretty strong at the time ya, but it's debatable if it would still be as strong as it is today, if the 90's boom hadn't brought in a shit ton more fans. Especially fans that didn't have access to local scenes as strong as Gilman or CBGB's or any other major city scene at the time. I grew up in Central Canada, a town of 500 people, far far removed from these scenes. You think me or others like me (who are currently supporters of our local scenes) would have found punk rock if it wasn't playing on the radio when we were kids? Not very likely. But punk as a whole is just a great genre of music, so it's really that sound that could never die. So I'm sure it would always be around, but to say that it would be as strong as it currently is today without bands like Green Day...that's doubtful, but I guess we'll never know for sure now.
Love the offspring
@@MrSirhcsellor i really have to agree, i am from a small village in Austria and without Green Day opening up my interest in rock music, i'd definitely wouldn't be listening to Counterparts, Knocked Loose or Turnstile now.
Did you happily cough up your $300
To watch the true punks perform then?🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂
Tbh I never understood the trend of disliking a band for successfully expanding their business. In the end your band(music) is your business, you have bills to pay and a family to feed. There's some bands out there that I personally don't like their new material but I'll still support them. Wish people were more open minded with a bands growth.
Also on a side note just wanna say I really enjoy your videos and the topics you cover!
Yeah the idea of punk is strictly, play shitty underground clubs, make no money, be hooked on drugs until you die an untimely death, thats the punk way
agreed. i dont like green day but its because of their sound not success. primus and ween also successful and i love em both. and butthole surfers
@@xbfdx988 Feeding your family and paying the bills is irrelevant! Gotcha 👍🏻
*THANK YOU*
In my opinion- the idea of “Selling Out” is truly when one compromises their values and ethos for wealth and fame. They *never* once did that. Green Day is and has always been the same Green Day from the late 80’s in the DIY scene. They just broke out and became popular. You can’t fault someone for the fact that loads of people end up liking them, or that they made lots of money. You *can* fault fault someone for abandoning their values for it afterwards. You can call it “Tall Poppy Syndrome”, or you can call it “Player Hating” like the hip-hop community would. It refers to the same elitist way of thinking and both terms apply for how much flack that Green Day gets, in my opinion, unfairly. Green Day never once abandoned their values- and as you said, still do tons of work for the DIY community, and for those who stand where they stood before. You can grow and change - but will always retain a trace and core of who you were. You’re still who you were, but you look different now. You are still you. They *never* compromised who they were. That’s not selling out. That’s evolution.
green day has a special place in my heart, they were the ones who in grade school got me from classic rock into punk. eventually sending me down the rabbit hole ,and I know they’ve done the same for a lot of people. I actually got to see them play at the house of blues in cleveland a few years back right before their rock hall of fame induction and they played songs off of kerplunk and their old lookout eps they hadn’t played since the 90s! They even brought out tim armstrong for the show. It was super cool because i know its the closest I could get to being able to see one of those gilman shows that took place a decade before I was even born. Great video! btw dope angel du$t shirt
Good eye haha
Sell outs or not, I would never have found all the great punk bands if I didn't have the bigger pop punk bands as a starting point. I didn't have friends who listened to any of it, so I had to find it myself. Seeing bands like Green Day and The Offspring on TV allowed me to get into the genre and work my way down to the smaller bands.
Green Day isn't a band I really listen to anymore, but I have mad appreciation and respect for what they've done.
Pastrami
Exactly
Guided by Voices signed to a major label, but it doesn't make them produce shit music. Green day is just bland mix of nothing that appeals to teens.
LMAO nice mental gymnastics. They became pop artists. Yeah it was "their own decision" but their decision was to become corporate sellouts.
Fuck yes
@@Master_of_Critique dude pop means popular aka having a large fan base and while they signed to WB they were still exposing millions of people to that style of music not only that but inspiring many to become politically aware and involved that is a solid in my book (also look into their Non profit work and activism) they used/use their platform for good
Amen! Couldn't have said it better. They were my first concert ever & now the last concert I went to last year. Mike (bassist) invited me. That was one of the coolest moments of my life. And their state presence/energy is amazing.
Wow! Very cool!
Not every band has the balls to touch millions of people with their music all around the world.
But if you have it why should you waste your talent.
For me green day is the only band that blew me away and that strong that it changed my life totally. And i know I'm not alone that feels the same.
Signing up for to major lable is thier best decision. For the greater good.
Yeah but calm down cuz there's been plentiful of others throughout the decades in fact it would be boring cuz I don't like making long lists and I'm talking bands not solo artists
Bands shouldn't touch people with their balls
green day defined an era for me. I was actually really young when they started topping charts but their sound was everywhere and garnered a lot of imitators. you didn't need to like anything punk to have heard green day. always great to get a bit older and go through a band like this' catalogue and discover both old and new feelings.
this is a great video btw, I enjoy this series.
What video should I do next??
The Punk Rock MBA
“KILLERS: How did they get so big?”
How did they get so big: Blink-182
I'd say blink-182 but I know you already have that one on the works, so I'll go with Neck Deep. They went really big in the pop punk realm, or Architects, they're also massive.
Architects
What about Misfits?
I'm turning 25 in a month.
Green Day is the first band I was ever into, I was 9 in 2004 when American Idiot was released, and it was a big hit even in elementary school. I still listen to Green Day time to time again.
Personally I don't care for what genre they may or may not be, or if they are sell outs or not.
Many people accused my now favourite artist Marilyn Manson of being a sell out, but if so, he made the right choice, or his name wouldn't mean anything.
anyways, maybe do a "How did Marilyn Manson get so big?" video some time?
I went to a party last weekend with hundreds of college kids who definitely didn't grow up with much punk music, but could sing every word to Green Day's songs. So cool to see the music you loved as a kid still going strong.
The first show I ever went to when I was maybe 11 or 12 was Green Day when they were touring for their 21st Century Breakdown album. Even though it was a decade ago I still remember when they called this 17 year old kid in a tie dye shirt onto the stage and asked if he played any instruments. Turns out he played guitar and spent countless hours picking away to Green Day songs and he proceeded to play the entirety of Jesus of Suburbia. It was what really started my love for live music and those experiences you just cant get from a studio album.
Great video, Green Day is my favorite band of all time, got me into the punk genre, which led to me finding more underground punk bands.
Green Day started it all for me when I was 12 (i'm 21 now). I heard American Idiot and was instantly hooked and obsessed. I needed more. Before that, i was never really into music. Now it's everything to me and if it weren't for them, i don't think i would've bothered to pick up a guitar at 12 years old and eventually get into music production and DJing at 14. I still listen to them now, but mainly their older stuff from 90s to 2009. Sounds cliche as fuck but they'll always have a place in my heart just for that and being my gateway band to the world of punk rock. still bummed that i have yet to see them live though ):
also, i just discovered your channel recently and your content is well made, keep it up! your assessment here was pretty spot on i'd say
Ha, they started it all for me when I was 12 too. But I'm 40 now. Saw them live for the first time in 1993 for 5$ in the reception hall attatched to an effing country bar. A month later, Longview was all over MTV and radio. It's so weird to think about those days now. I miss the way the music made me feel mostly. I love it more than ever now but that feeling as a new teen short on life experience is gone forever.
@@imvandenh That's just what happens man. Sometimes I wonder if I should have never gotten into music, but I'll love it forever.
I'm 43, and the whole work-like-a-fucking-dog thing just for a stupid house, bills to pay, mouths to feed, "my job is better than your job, I'm successful and hardworking" and all that proper adult horseshit just doesn't mean anything to me. Maybe I would have turned out that way anyway, I don't know, but my love for music put the usual proper-mature-adult shit in a certain perspective, it feels empty futile to me compared to the authentic joy I got from making good music.
I'm a guitar teacher, and thanks to green day, I've had a steady flow of kids wanting to learn guitar because they love green day. As far as I'm concerned, they're awesome. They've written good music over the years. They're maintained their punk sound while mixing in a few more pop-y songs here and there to make the A&R guys happy.
I was born in 93 and some of my first memories are of Green Day playing in the car on the top 40 station my mom listened to. American Idiot absolutely electrified the like, 4 or 5 alternative-leaning kids at my very small school when it came out. I was pretty disappointed in their last few albums but they've been in my life for literally all of it and that's so cool. They're also the first place I ever heard of My Chemical Romance, who later turned into the band that defined my adolescence, when they toured together in 04-05.
When I was in college I was lucky enough to be really involved in the DIY punk scene in my college town, which similar to how you described the Gillman scene had a super tight knit and a long list of unwritten rules about not being racist/sexist/homophobic and sharing with and caring for everyone in the pit with you. Even though Green Day has been with me for more than 20 years, I never knew that's where they came from, and I feel like my intense love of my old DIY scene just adds additional layers of meaning to it all
One of the biggest bands of my childhood and the reason I play guitar. Have they released some crappy albums, sure- but I still play their songs with my friends and I’m 40. Always in my heart
Who here had Listened to Green Day pre Dookie?My brother had the Kerplunk album shortly after it came out. Great memories!
Been waiting for this one, I've been a Green Day fan for the past 14 years seen all the documentaries and all that jazz and I think you did a real good job on this!
Good coverage, my man!
hey what about doing a "what happened to ska" video? you can dive into all the ska sub genres like Ska-punk (all the Asian Man Records bands that you said you liked), ska-core (Link 80, AAA and others like that), the real pop-ska-punk bands like Less Than Jake, Bosstones, and Reel Big Fish, and even like two tone pioneers like the Specials, and the Skatalites who sorta paved the way for all these similar but different styles.
anyway, regardless, i love your content. you've got me all kinds of nostalgic with some of your vids. keep it up, bro!
Thanks man! A lot of people have asked for a ska video - i wasnt as deep in it as i was this stuff so it will take some work but i can do it!
@@ThePunkRockMBA maybe do a "how did ska get so big" video then instead, as opposed to a "what killed ska" video. Either would be cool though
Cause ska punk is coming back baby. The interrupters are playin on tv and shit.
And Green Day is a band I've been obsessed with and forever will be obsessed with. They have been a huge influence on my life!
If Green Day didn't "sell out", then I would have never discovered them. One of my all-time favourite bands. Thank you, Green Day.
I literally say the same thing! It's absolutely ridiculous the elitist attitude that some of these bands have. I got into punk because I was fucking reject and I found a group that didn't care what I was like, and the deeper I got in the scene the more I realized that just wasn't true. When I saw that documentary called the other F word about guys in punk bands having kids and needing to sell their music to make money for their families, my heart just broke for some of these guys. They are met with such contempt because they don't want their kids to starve. I don't particularly like the direction and sound the music went after the 2000's but that I still hold a very special place in my heart for green day. Dookie was the first CD I ever purchased, and if it weren't for mainstream punk on the radio I wouldn't have ever been exposed to it because I didn't know anyone that listened to it. The offspring, sublime, bad religion and rancid all hit me in 1994 because of KROQ in los Angeles, and because I didn't have any friends and my family didn't listen to any of this stuff it was my only window into that world
@@xbfdx988 Maybe they can, maybe they can't.
If you're hard up for money, low-paying job or whatever, do NOT have any kids. Ever.
@@xbfdx988 No they can’t. Then they’re sell outs. They’re only allowed to feed their familes with the few bucks they earn from gigs. If they don’t they ain’t punk!
I love this series! I'm a trap/grime/hip hop rapper and I love seeing how these acts marketed themself and how they made the impact they did! I'm wanting to learn guitar and shift my musical style to rock/punk/metal/trap! Im loving diving into he world of bands! Keep up the great content!
Go check out Grandson! He mixes rock with trap beats
That's awesome! Malcolm McLaren said that hip hop was the black community's version of punk. Get a guitar that you think is sexy, it can be expensive or cheap. Get an amp that pushes 50 watts or more, I prefer Vox's VT series. I have a VT 30 and its pretty good, it has effects in it. It takes time to learn to play, then more time to play and sing. I can say its worth it. I've had the chance to play behind a hip hop guy and it was different. Like most punk bands go and make the music you want to hear! Best of luck!
@@gringogreen4719 thank you 😄
This was such a great video! Green Day is easily my favorite band. Even my younger cousin, who was only 5 years old at the time, fell in love with Green Day from me listening to them.
Another reason I feel they got so big is because they put on such great live performances. Getting to see them play was amazing.
Green day is the greatest band in the world
i love the fact you mention how they try to make music like queen, instantly got me thinking of jesus of suburbia which is pretty much the bohemian rapsody of punk :D
I got a green day ad before this and I sure as hell watched it
I love the "how did they get so big" series. You should do a video on Korn next. Keep up the good work man.
Inside the "punk community" they'll hate on anything mainstream. Even if you keep making the same music with the same sound. Once you hit a little mainstream success, you're a "sellout".
they suck ass lol
I just dont like green day bc its j not the sound I like. I also dont like green day bc they dont support Gilman when we are struggling to stay open
@@gizzlypigs5495 Weren't they banned from Gilman for a while?
@@yepmcyeppington still tecnically are
@@gizzlypigs5495 So, they are supposed to support a club that banned them?
Did you ever hear of their side project that they started back in like 2000-2004 called "The Network" where they all wore masks to cover up their identities? Apparently, they missed the days of being unknown and playing basement shows at shitty venues so that was their way of getting around it and being able to do that again without being noticed. Eventually people caught on so the project kind of just fizzled out but still they had some pretty catchy tunes which consisted of pop punk mixed with electronic esque keyboards and weird/corky effects on the vocals. Feel free to check them out if you haven't already.
In the Pines they do the Mike, Tre and Billie do the Foxboro Hottubs, and Billie Joe has a band called Longshot which is a lot like Green Day.
They've started a cover band The Cover Ups too, where they're playing old punk and classic rock covers in shitty little bars with friends.
There's a difference between "selling out" and "cashing in". Selling out is when you're willing to change everything about your sound, your looks, your ethics, just for fame and riches. Green Day just kept doing what they were doing all along, got really successful from it, and made savvy business decisions to capitalize on their success and reach a larger audience. Nothing wrong with that. This "punk = being anti-success" is ridiculous! Every album Ramones put out they were hoping would be a financial success. Hell, Ramones 'sold out' back in 1980 by changing their entire sound by going with a much more pop feel and taking on Phil Spector as producer. This is all just sour grapes, jealousy from other punk bands when one group gets super successful.
Another reason for Green Day's success and longevity is that their songs are pretty easy for most people to sing and not sound terrible. You're going to remember and love songs you can sing along to at the top of your voice and actually sound good doing it. Their songs are as flattering to sing as certain styles of clothing are to wear -- and that's why we keep coming back to them and feel a connection to others through them. Everyone loves to feel confident and comfortable and I don't know another band's songs that do that better.
Dookie was my introduction to punk back in 1994. I immediately bought their previous albums then started looking into other punk bands. The dickish gatekeeping is the only thing I never liked or understood about the scene.
Same
Hands down, my all time favorite band in the world.
Yeah, calling people sellouts is the lamest shit. Even if it was slightly different back then, it's so damn hard to make it in the music industry, that having any sort of success is a miracle - whether you're "selling out" or not.
"I met a boy wearing Vans, 501s
And a dope Beastie tee, nipple rings, and new tattoos
That claimed that he was OGT, back from '92, the first EP
And in between sips of Coke
He told me that he thought we were selling out
Laying down, sucking up to the man"
"All you know about me is what I've sold you, dumb fuck
I sold out long before you ever heard my name
I sold my soul to make a record, dipshit, and you bought one"
Tool - "Hooker with a penis" XD
Man I'm 30 years old and I am from Portugal. Just discovered this channel....what a gem for our generation!
I got my first CD when I was 10, and it was Dookie. It opened the door to all kinds of great music that I would have never been exposed to otherwise.
When I first heard Green Day, I wanted to be in a band, so I started playing guitar.
I thought it was pretty cool seeing my son stick a Green Day sticker to his phone case 25 years later.
Pretty sure every punk documentary that I have seen that had other “non-sellout” bands discussing Green Day always had good things to say because they did come from their scene and they brought all in a ton of new listeners to their music.
Thank you for posting this! I've always said, punk is what you make it. The time that you put labels, guidelines, or restrictions on punk is when it doesn't truly exist. Its kinda contradictory to the consensus definition of punk.
I've joined the GD craze in the early 2000's in their American Idiot era. As a 12-13 year old they were the gateway to oldschool punk stuff like The Ramones and The Clash. Because they didn't shy away from their roots, the pointed back to them with pride. That really got me than. I can even listen to their post Idiot stuff, and still enjoy their music. Like you said: timeless. Thx for the great vid and quality content, my man!
A lot of their best songs people don't even know about.or are very underrated.
I remember in the 2010s kids were discovering them and thinking they were some awesome new pop-punk band. Thats how timeless they have stayed.
I hate elitists in punk and in any music genre for that matter. Like how is it a bad thing that Green Day got big? That means more people can be exposed to the genre of music you love so much and delve way deeper into it. Past the mainstream. I didn't grow up in an area with any semblance of a punk community and without hearing Green Day on the radio as a young kid, i never would've bought American Idiot and fell in love with it, which means i never would've bought their older albums which means it'd be way less likely i would've ever found Anti-Flag, Operation Ivy, Rancid, The Clash, Social Distortion. etc. Green Day being "mainstream" introduced me and many many others to other fantastic groups.
Agreed, I grew up in a small town of 500 people...we didn't have a punk scene....heck we barely had a gas station. xD I started with Dookie back in the day, then Offspring, then I found bands like Propagandhi, NOFX and AFI and it got me digging deeper and deeper and now I'm a punk fan for life! I've played in punk rock bands and I keep going to any shows that happen by my area, so I'm a loyal contributor to helping the scene as a whole stay alive as best I can. Would probably never have happened without Green Day and I know thousands of people have the same story.
Without Green Day and Bad Religion I'd have never found out about Black Flag or Circle Jerks and obviously those 2 were one of the greatest punk groups because they were so underground and shit. Those morons in their 40-50's who the fuck cares . Punk helped me to find my true self with the little help of skateboarding as well. I saw people say elitist is a bad word cuz it was always against elitism ,well fuck you guys cause if you diss your own kind you're pretty much an elitist . Punk was never about getting drunk and getting dumber and dumber by time, it was always about having a place to fit in and have fun. Even the true gate keepers were only just a bunch of kids who used to live a normal suburban life then go out to have some fun within their boring and repetitive life in their 12-16's. Not to mention without Green Day I'd have never ever thought about picking up a guitar and try to play it then eventually form a punk band with cal punk to thrash punk songs ..
@@cohngo The whole elitist bs completely goes against what Punk is supposed to be. It's supposed to be free. It's supposed to be welcoming to anyone and everyone. It's anti establishment and anti hate. It's not supposed to have strict set rules and guidelines that people have to follow. Anyone who says "so and so isn't punk!" Or tries to question someones love for punk music based on their knowledge of some obscure thrash punk band from the 80s who only ever put out an EP and a 7" Is the most un-punk of anyone.
I never did get into Green Day, I was more of a blink-182 kinda guy but I do understand that without them blink-182 probably never get that big
Finn has a great way of chipping away at the ice on my shoulder. This video definitely made me re-think my opinion on the band. I've not given any of their albums, past dookie, a shred of play. I personally don't care for their music but really enjoyed hearing about their history. Next time a Green Day song comes on I'll unclench my jaw and try singing along.
Green Day is my favourite band. I like every song they have made, and love most of them. Their music has always helped me get through my times of depression, anxiety and worry. I truly believe they have saved my life. I have three tattoos of their album art on my right arm, which will eventually become a full sleeve.
+1 for Asian Man Records!
Mike park is a legend
The Punk Rock MBA The man truly is. I saw him on Alkaline Trio's most recent tour. He was funny, and his new band is pretty good
The third point you made about how they resonate with people out of genre interest rang true to me. My gf loves dance-pop & soul/R&B and she loves Green Day almost as much as I do.
Green day eventually had me searching for crust punk and hardcore punk which means that they probably didn't just introduce kids to pop punk. They probably introduced us all to punk in general so I think Green Day should be respected. I remember someone tell me they saw Green Day in Dayton Ohio in 1993 and they got booed off stage by all the punks lol
I'm over 40, mohawk, big beard, play drums in a punk band. Green Day started it all for me, they are damn good on their instruments as well.
Back in December my band played 924 Gilman St for the first time. As A kid who grew up in a trailer park in central Texas, this felt really important to me.
I have a new found respect for green day now that I know their history
" a band is good till they make enough cash to eat food , and get a pad . Then they've sold out and their musics cliche , Cus talents exclusive to bands without pay . Know it all . Know it all. Did you even listen to that song ? Could you ever write what you call wrong ? Know it all . " - joey cape -LAGWAGON .
Gale Force I think the way to tell if a band has truly sold out out is if they’ve completely changed their tune and are pushing out mindless crap. THAT is selling out, just sitting on the money, not paying at least something forward, or they start writing by formula.
See: Nickelback. THAT is what fucking sellouts look like.
sparkleshyguy85 oh for sure . GREEN DAY have always stayed the same . They've just honed their music into what they've grown into musically. For a band to want to last , and relate to as many people as possible , they need to spread . Some labels just don't have that $$ or power . They made a LOT of $$ for lookout . But needed more than they could offer . It's natural progression to use a label to help get you out there . I don't know why more people weren't PROUD of them. Some of these " punk " scenes are pathetic . It's like success is seen as a failure . And you suck if you sound good . Haha it's stupid . BLINK 182 said it best . They were asked about what it's like to be banned from Gilman . They said " if they don't want us , who fuxkimg cares . We play for hundreds of thousands of people , who cares about Gilman . "
The elitist views of people like that just hinder the scene . Embracing the bands that start there and then make it to success , would help promote every other band in that scene . I heard of TILT from the Longview video when Tre wore a tilt shirt . I found SQUIRTGUN when MIKE wore a squirtgun shirt on stage at Woodstock. These bands would never see that kind of publicity alone . Disliking that sort of recognition is stupid .i saw PANSY DIVISION with green day on tour in TORONTO with THE RIVERDALES too. When they opened for green day. None of these bands would have found my ear ( in the age before the internet was so easily accessible) and I'm glad they did . People should see it for what it is . And stop being babies .
Green Day was the skeleton key that a lot of kids (including myself) used to access a lot of great classic bands in addition to diy culture and history. I don't think that can really be overstated.
Green Day will Always have a special place in my heart!! The gave back to Gilman, cause they remember where they came from, Green Day were getting around in a pos van, slept on floors, living day to day. They decided to jump on a major label and the backlash started, they wanted their music to get out there and have decent equipment so I don’t dog them to signing, Bad religion and ramones went on major labels and never got backlash, anyway I love Green Day just as much as I love the Germs, I support Green Day and support them 100%
I was obsessed with Green Day. Wore my dookie shirt so much that became my nickname 😅 I missed going to hs with Billie by 4 yrs.
After a decade and a half, the internet punk community has finally matured enough to recognise the value of good songwriting.
I’m relatively new to your page. Just wanted to say I love it and hope you keep up the great work.
Thank you!
Growing up in WV in the 90s, I didn't have access to all of these "scenes" like the Bay Area or Seattle. I knew about things my friends listened to and what I saw on MTV. The first time I heard Basketcase from Dookie, I was hooked. I started to explore and found out that this wasn't their first album. I was able to get a hold of Lookout and order their previous albums.
I think it's sad to think that someone "sold out" to become successful. We should want things that we like to succeed and those artists to be paid well for their work.
Thanks for making this video, Green Day inspired me to play guitar and has helped me through the hardest times in my life.
Green day introduced me into the punk community. i still remember clear as day being in like 3rd or 4th grade and seeing the music video for American idiot on my tv and being like “yup. this is it. this is my thing” and it completely changed my whole world. while many may not consider them punk anymore they were definitely a gateway into it because in the community i was in i had never heard anything like that or been exposed to that culture since it was mostly about rap/hiphop/reggaeton. even though i was all the way on the east coast green day opened my interest at a young age to that type of music and the punk scenes in like NY and CT. i’m 23 now and starting with just that one song/video i’m heavy into the bay area hxc scene and a huge fan of powerviolence now with so many experiences in between. people should give them more credit because for so many they’re definitely a starting point :)
Reason #1=Dookie
Reason #2=American Idiot
What more do you need to say? Dookie was an insane album and then American Idiot took all the best parts of Dookie's sound and it got even better in American Idiot, not to mention some of the most direct and exact representations of how a teenager/young adult felt at that stage in their life. Jesus of Suburbia is still my favorite song ever written, it just strikes a chord so deeply within me it's almost spiritual, and I'm not even religious.
My brother gave me his copy of Doookie in 1994 when I was 6 and it changed my life. Although I'm not a fan of their later stuff, Dookie was the first album I fell in love with.
And now I've just remembered about Pinhead Gunpowder!
This might sound overly sentimental but it’s true: Though I’ve never met the guy, the catalyst who got me to step out of the single-minded, football-first, aggressively backward culture that I was brought-up in and gave me the confidence to express myself was Billie Joe Armstrong. Cynics can call Green Day sellouts but the band’s impact was huge. They changed my life and the same can be said for a lot of kids who were just like me. - Love your videos, Finn!
I remember seeing an interview with Fat Mike where he said Greenday never sold because they never changed their music to be popular. The music they made just got really popular.
I have that 1,000 Hours 7” from the original pressing, and I still love these guys.
As a Green Day fan, thank you!
Just watched ‘turn it around’ it seems maximumrocknroll’s beef was ‘consumerism’ they didn’t want punk rock to be ‘commodified’ imo 2 mistakes :
-thinking a record on an indie label isn’t a commodity
-thinking people outside their scene were too dumb to get it
Music elitism comes in so many forms. I had the displeasure of a local punk and metal scene full of people who cared more about clothing than music.
Dress like the first image search result for punk and you could like as much mainstream as you wanted. Just wear a hoodie and jeans didn't matter how underground you tastes were they wanted nothing to do with you.
Green Day is one of my favorite bands ever. When I was 13 I got dookie. Then Woodstock happened and I found the song Paper Lanterns. From there I found 1039 and Kerplunk. Changed my life. I think as you said Billie Joe us an amazing lyricist. He wrote songs about how I felt. Songs about not getting the girl. About adolescents and I ate it up. I got to see my two favorite bands on the Pop Disaster tour. Blink and Green Day on the same bill. Mind blowing.
My friend showed me Green Day's American Idiot when I was 10/12 and I became OBSESSED! I'm 24 now and they're One of my FAVE (If not my favourite) band!
The songs Basket Case, J.A.R. and the Angus soundtrack. Their 1994 Woodstock performance as well.
J.A.R. is soo good. I actually heard You Gave Your Love to Me Softly by Weezer just the other day on a college radio station :D