" *I* am sorry." Yoshida acts like a true project leader and solely took the blame for the delay, without even mentioning his team. The man is truly too humble
@@gianni.sacciloto To be fair, he's the head (YoshiP) of the project, so any mishaps that happens, it would be someone that calls the shots and as well their responsibilities. Unlike Blizzard, they just shrug it off as if nothing happens, and they will start drinking a copious amount of alcohol the next day.
@@Xport9 Yes, that's why I'm praising him. Blizzard doesn't give a fuck about their paying consumers, don't think they give to their dev team either. Certainly Ion doesn't.
@@gianni.sacciloto To me, I find it bizarre that he would get emotional over a delay to make the game great. Which, in my eyes, sounds understandable especially when they have been doing a good job. But I find it admirable compared to Blizzard’s shrug, “Oops. Sorry I guess.” That just tells me who is more passionate.
@@lostcrusader8053 He is always like this, not something bizarre at all. They gave us a fixed date for the release and iirc they never failed to deliver on time. Never. The first time this happened was with the 5.3 patch because of Covid, and a second time now basically for the same reason as they already were behind on schedule. Yoshida probably felt deeply ashamed of himself for not being able to deliver on time, something he is proud of never having happened before.
FFXIV Developers: Players are not having fun, we might have done something wrong WOW Developers: Players are not having fun, they might be playing it wrong
I have some fun. Problem is that in order for me to have fun, I must play off meta (shadow priest kyrian). There is like 10% of kyrian priests and probably 9.95% are discipline priests (which I also play). All others are night fae or necrolord. And even with the new change. I don’t like changing covenants for x or y type of content. A talent system would have been better. I’m kyrian and will f stay kyrian. Even if meta says otherwise.
he respects the players so much that he delayed the game at the last minute. Yeah right. They knew a week ago it would have to be delayed and couldn't give us even that courtesy of letting us know?
I'm disapponited, but not in them, just in that I won't get to play as quickly as I'd like to. They did everything right and to the best of their abilities, yet they still had to delay it. Mad respect for the apology Yoshi-P!
you can see how Yoshida HATES every word he has to say with this announcement because he knows its a dissapointment and disrupts ppls plans....i doubt any wow dev ever felt 10% of that weight and responsibillity.
You can also see how he keeps shifting his gaze away from the camera. He's so upset about this that he can barely keep it together. And then literally broke down crying just a minute later ;w;
And the Endwalker delay? It’s two weeks. When a game gets delayed, it’s usually by months. The way Yoshi-P reacts, you just wanna grab him, hug him and tell him it’s ok.
There was once someone who really wanted to help and kinda did, but he left and the private forums went to shit, where they still are. He now works at riot, i think, on their MMO. I forgot his name, because i read about that stuff just a few days ago. And everyone who participated in the private forums for wow, said that as soon as he left and leadership changed, they started treating players opinions like Ion does in this video or how J Allen Brak (or however your write his name) said "You think you do, but you don't".
It doesn’t baffle me at all. I’ve lived a majority of my life in the us. I’ve spent the last 10 years in Asia. I’m not a progressive but, when progressives say there is toxic masculinity, this is what comes to mind. We men in the west hide our feelings as much as possible. Out here they do it and call it saving face but both men and women do it. Even then when it comes to being open about your feelings I believe the men here do it way way way more.
It's a combo of ego and protection from corporate liability. Apologizing is seen as a liability by US corporations and law as apologizing is an admission of guilt for doing something bad. By admitting guilt, they are then held responsible for fixing the mistake and or upholding counter measures to prevent the mistake from happening again. But since those fixes are expensive and can threaten the status quo, the "easiest" way to prevent all that is to never apologize.
@@ViralVenom Nah, they just need to case to be. Like a tv-show that goes on for too long, they just suck after a while when the main story arcs are done. Nothing lasts forever, and that's just as well.
If the WoW team ever sees this: don't misunderstand, we don't need you to prostrate yourselves, we just want you to actually care about the game you're making. Instead of not. It's that simple.
If blizzard had even 10% the respect and passion for the community that YoshiP and the ffxiv team has, things might have been different. I feel like I've wasted 16 years of my life on WoW with an abusive dev team when these beautiful, fantastic and dedicated ffxiv developers are doing their best for the players and the game, I regret not supporting this game sooner.
I feel the same, I tried leaving wow years ago but it felt like Stockholm syndrome I kept coming back a few weeks ago I Uninstalled wow and have been happy playing ff14 full on
to be fair here, that bullshit became crazy when Ion took over and that was like in WoD IIRC. And WoW goes downhill since then pretty much. Legion was an anomaly in between WoD and BFA/Shadowlands. But back in the days, WC3 and WoW devs were full of passion too. Please don't forget that. ION on the other hand, he is a lawyer and former member of this shitty site elitistjerks. Which was never know to be "nice" etc. He is just not the right person for this game.
My boyfriend had one remaining week to book off this year. He booked it for the 19th November. It cannot be changed now , December is fully booked up. At this announcement of the 2 week delay he was silently devastated but then he turned to me and said; 'He looks exhausted- whats another 2 weeks'. The Final Fantasy community is miles ahead of WOW. Their attitudes, their relationship with the devs.
@@Balloonbot The good thing about that is these people will be reported and given temporary bans for bad behaviour. FFXIV thankfully is pretty good at policing out the toxic players and teaching them manners.
If you watch YoshiP apology on the delay, he did mentioned that he feel sorry for those that are already applied their paid-leave in order to play during the early access. I am also in the same situation tbh.. i booked my paid-leave on 19th, but it delayed for 2 weeks and to make it worse, i had to travel to Vietnam during the early access on 3rd.. i am also devastated.. but i have been playing this game for almost 10 years and never once they disappointed me so i really dont mind the delay. 😊😊😊
As nice of a guy Ion is outside of WoW, he is such an annoying person as game director. All this talk about how great the covenant system is and how he believes it was a good thing, and performed well, despite evidence to the contrary before and after the fact, and the man doesn't even play the fucking game. He hasn't raided in 3 months according to his character's information, and when he does raid he gets carried and grey parses through content. And sits a whopping 50 out of 80 Renown, which means he can't even be bothered to take part in the fucking covenant system he keeps trying to praise. The fucking nerve.
Or just any Blizzard employee at this point, really. Like "Do you guys not have phones?" or "You think you want it, but you don't.". Or point out how /spit was removed to combat toxicity while the N-word can still be used liberally in-game.
For YoshiP he treats the delay as a failure on his part. He did the same when ARR was relaunched and the servers could not handle the flux of players, he & the whole dev team went on stage and publicly apologized for that as well saying again it was a failure on his part as the leader. YoshiP can be really hard on himself for things he can not control cause he is so passionate about the game & the player base. It really does show he cares & wants whats best for the game & the players....for that how can anyone be upset about this.
And another thing that really impressed me is that he takes the ownership of the problems on his own, he never blames the team and see it as a failure as a leader. This is how a true leader looks like and people will be willing to follow these kind of leader
Well, yes. But also, it's worth keeping in mind that Japan has a very strong apology culture. Companies publicly apologizing for mistakes or lacking service is the norm in Japan.
I played WoW up to Cataclysm. The game was great, the devs were amazing, the customer service cared. It's what happened when Activision greedy gnomes came. I'm glad I left when I did. Meanwhile some people really still just live in the past there.
@@zkysk7672 Um....It's all the old school devs at Blizzard who are getting kicked out the door for sexually harassing their coworkers. It wasn't nearly as great as they pretended it was
Yep. Yoshi-P is the kind of dad that will apologize for not getting what you wanted for your birthday, and work overtime for a couple of weeks, so he will get it for you next paycheck. Ion is the drunk stepdad that will get you a football for your birthday, instead of the pair of shoes you needed, so you can "play a real sport, instead of that s*ssy baseball shit..."
"Why are you nerfing demonology to the ground" "Because we rather you didn't play demonology" ok **cancels subscription** i'll play Summoner now. everyone got what they wanted.
Apparently that was meant to be a wry joke. But some jokes just aren’t worth the telling. Not to mention his demeanor suggested that he wasn’t actually that bothered by specification imbalance, somehow.
@@SkyknightMuyeah i thought that too, it must be him just joking. But when he answers the damage sponge on world boss thing, that convince me that it's his way of telling the player "you don't understand how to play the game as intended" kind of thing. This is actually just my first clip of watching WoW's director talking to the community, maybe i haven't seen all of it. but still i still kinda think that most of it is just joking around but at the same time it doesn't answer anything
We have to remember that Yoshi P had NOTHING to do with 1.0 being bad, yet he still apologized! Same with the latest delay. It's all 'cause of COVID. It wasn't their fault that they had to delay Endwalker, yet he STILL apologized and even cried out of disappointment...
No dude, YoshiP himself said the reason for the delay were all the very small details he kept fine tuning that eventually ate into the final QA check schedule. He wanted every single loose end dealt with so that the current Zodiark/Hydaelyn saga ends properly. He already planned for COVID and adjusted the schedule as needed to cover for that.
YoshiP also knew that many of us ( myself included) had booked time off to play endwalker ( as we have done for past expansions ) either at early access or on release date and that we most likely could not move the holiday. Yoshida-San is a rare person in that he wants US to have a polished product that we enjoy and to see him break down like that breaks me. I can wait for as long as needed to play Endwalker as I and millions of other players believe in YoshiP to give us a product that is enjoyable, relatable and will bring us together even more as a community.
He was the GM of a guild called Elitist Jerks, the website of which was at one time the hub of Works theorycrafting. The name says enough, and their moderation style was every bit as toxic as how they've been running the game.
And that's the light fouls, my dude. That shit gets bad REALLY fast. Fanbase: "Hey, here's a product/service we'd like that we'd like to pay you for that's directly related to your product/service that we love." Blizzard Devs: "You'd like to think that, but you don't. But don't worry, we'll eventually do it, and make you suffer for it when it actually works."
These are the mild douche moments. Back in legion, when they completely fucked over the Warlock class, and we retaliated by taking over an entire message board Q&A with "when are you going to fix warlocks?" (9/10 questions was the same warlock question), we got told we were godawful people who ruined a perfectly good Q&A by demanding a longstanding problem be fixed. And we only did that because of the kind of behavior Ion exhibits here. The ass really needs to go back to practicing law and let someone who actually cares about players direct WoW.
Former WoW player here: We're lucky if we even get a spoken apology. Most of them were in typed dev letters, which were clear attempts at crowd control. And then when we do get spoken, they're obligatory or apathetic. Yoshi-P's apology really surprised me. When I watched this live and they were building up to the bad news, the tone legit made me afraid someone in the team became sick or died! He looked so genuinely ashamed and bowed so low his head practically touched the table. The whole group did, even the translator. Like, that left a huge impression!
I took days off work for this expansion that I won't be able to move because I work in retail, I hae been covering for others for weeks now, taking extra hours so that others will cover for me at the end of November. And the only thing I'm disappointed about is that fact, that I won't be able to move my time off because I know that the dev team realizes all of this and knows that there are many others like me, in fact if all the interviews are anything to go by then YoshiP would have been one of those people that would have taken a few days off to play the new expansion if he were just a player. I also know they wouldn't have done this delay if it wasn't absolutely necessary to bring us what we've come to expect from the FF14 team. You only get one chance at a first impression and that first impression has to be just right so I hope they delay it for as long as they need to.
Exactly. We could argue for days about those games (WoW / FF14), but one thing is clear: the attitude of those in charge couldn't be be more different. One side strives to do deliver their absolute best, the other is simply after their next paycheck. You can't buy sincerity, you have it or not.
On the bright side, you at least get some free days to rest and maybe take a short vacation instead. I hope you have a good time and find the rest you need
man i was so Sad as Yoshi started to cry cuz of the "selfish" delay . It show how much passion and love he has for his creation and i respect that complete.
I know I found the “selfish” in the text announcement odd, given that they were trying to quell loose ends. I guess it has more to do with Japanese business culture as opposed to USA business culture?
@@SkyknightMu I think he's saying it's selfish because the little details he wants to get right probably matter only to him, so he sees it as being more for him than for us. Which we know is how amazing games are made.
@@SkyknightMu From what he said, the reason they had to delay is because he was going over the story and cutscene models with a fine-toothed comb trying to make sure everything was perfect, and the time it took to implement his feedback meant they couldn't fully complete the QA process in time for the original launch date. So it was either release a product that hadn't been fully tested, or delay the game so they could complete QA. That's why he regards it as selfish, but I don't blame him for wanting to ensure the quality of this expansion above all given the significance of it and the massive influx of new players.
I said it years ago and I said it now Ion was really a bad pick to handle WoW he clearly dont know what he does He did kill the PvP back in cata and mop the PvP was really good no need to fix and ion came and said "oh I not like to grind my gear, I just want my gear PvE" If I was blizz back then I would pick someone else to care about the PvE and PvP and put back ion to do what he does best dungeon and raid
He shit s on alliance fans constantly over wanting High Elves then he trolled after Alliance got VoidTrash. Blizzard refused to give what the majority of Alliance wanted and kept kicking them
@@richardshiflett5181 In all honesty, the people who want/wanted High Elves kind of deserve it, especially with the ridiculous arguments they come forward with.
@@askekrause3909 The High-Elves aren't supposed to be a playable race because they're literally just blood elves with blue eyes. So that's clearly not enough. But now, Void Elves can be less corrupted and closer to Blood or High Elves. So everyone's happy.
I never played WOW but this seriously hurts to watch. Ion acts so fucking smug and "on a high Horse" it's baffling how little charisma a person can have.
He feels like the guy who would talk shit to a group of dudes near an unlit valley. And not out of death wish, but because he legit can't understand how human interaction works. I'm a smug asshole too, but the way he treats his customers is ridiculous. Its as if he's not aware that he has a job and not just doing it as a hobby. Perhaps people at Blizzard are so full of themselves they forgot what being broke or fired means. Not surprising, considering their bosses get golden parachutes in such situations.
it's like some random bozo from the forums was made a Game Director. No wonder their community is just known for so much toxicity, it's ingrained from the ground up.
@@eggi5569 Well, not random, but his main thing before being recruited was being head of Elitist Jerks, a guild dedicated to determining full optimization. (Sadly, the name was apparently not self-deprecation.) So there’s a question on my end of how well he has internalized (or can internalize) casual needs as opposed to hardcore.
Yoshi P actually understands players struggles because he first and foremost a player than an executive. That's why he's emotional not just from the feeling responsible but he understands that if he was a player, he himself will be very upset and disappointed. So that makes him feeling double guilty as an executive and fellow player. Anger and disappointed probably with himself for not being able to be punctual, and then guilty with the players for not being able to keep the promised release.
Iirc, he even said that sometimes he wishes he wasn't working on the game, cuz he'd like to be able to play through it without knowing what's going to happen. I also think he said he goes out of his way to avoid hearing about the story from the writing team because of this xD
The fact that he cried because he delayed it for two weeks, _only_ two weeks, says a lot. Two weeks isn't much but he was visibly crushed by the decision.
This is one of the biggest things I love about the game and community. In the announcement stream I don't think I saw anyone really having a fit over it, they all just wanted him to feel better 😄
It’s funny, watching the live letter, my thought to the release pushback was “when was the last time I felt this level of sincerity from any single WoW developer?”
There appears to be this conceited arrogance within Blizzard that, no matter how badly the player base got dicked about, people would grumble but grin and bear it until the next helping of offle was handed out... now that they are under serious threat from other games though their own sheer ineptedness you see them thrashing around and trying to damage control the mess they have created. FF14's approach is a breath of fresh air of respect and gratitude that players deserve
It's culture that has been brewing not only inside their company but as being part of the state they are in, California, which is also the place where Sony relocated their headquarters instead of staying in Japan.
I don’t believe this. You can move the company, but not the mentality. Western - eastern mentality has diverged vastly. Your word, deeds and humility reflect on you and your community here in the east still. In the west it’s more about who do I blame and let’s point fingers, and how do I get my piece of the pie. While that tooo happens out here, the above traits have not fallen from the norm in the east
@@kriscubero6778 I disagree. The arrogance has always been there regardless of them being in California. If they moved to Texas or wherever, they’d still be the same. They have this rockstar mentality where they feel they can do no wrong.
Yoshi p could in all honesty delay until 2022 and i would not mind it at all. His respect for the game and its community dissolves him of all dissatisfaction a delay would normally cause.
Honestly, they can go beyond that, if they think they need the time for the game & themself + family, the community will be sad BUT would never stand in thier way, hell, even encourage them to take the time!
I gave FFXIV a try, it's not my cup of tea really, but BRO, I respect their developers SOOOOO MUCH, they are passionate about their game, so emotionaly bound with it and have so much respect for players. I wish them all the best, endwalker will be a smashing hit when it's released! Edit: thanks for so much positivity in comments, you are great playerbase and people!
Nexum I will be curious to know why wasn't your cup of tea? I'm talking as someone who tried 2 times this game and I hate it and keep bashing it, wasn't for me, but then I gave it a new try, a third time with a different mindset, like it's my first MMO and start exploring making friends in game etc, learning stuff and become to enjoy it and quitting wow forever
Same, i tried it and played Scholar(or whatever the starter mage is called) and lancer, then checked out the gameplay for advanced classes after being disappointed by these 2. And of course when i saw that Dragoon wasn't even close to the Dragoon i grew up with, and the fact that magic users have to stand still to cast i just ditched it. Not my kind of gameplay. Also i didn't like how equipment was handled. BUT even with those i can't say this game is bad or the dev team is not Stellar. This game is worth the price tag and more. As long as it is what you are personally looking for in a MMO.
I didnt think it would like it either since it seemed so slow, but it did really pick up once you hit heavensward and you start getting your off global cd skills. 1 to 40 is rough though for any class.
This is why even though I'm gutted that I took a week off for Endwalker that I can't move and I won't get time off on the new release because December in retail is nuts, I'm not mad because I can see just how torn up Yoshi-P was about having to delay this even more than it was already delayed by Covid putting them behind schedule. And to be honest, I know I would feel pretty terrible if they released it on the 19th and I was greeted by a broken game I'd taken time off for, whether that was the second coming of Raubahn Savage or some other issue, so I would rather they took the time to make sure everything works as it should rather than yeet out broken content with the 'oh we'll just patch later' mentality that's become a plague on gaming. Looking at these clips should also tell you why if Blizzard tried to do an ARR move on WoW, it would fail. SE had the will because they understood that saving the Final Fantasy brand's integrity would give them high dividends in future, and they had an absolute miracle in the form of Yoshi-P. Ion and the other WoW devs are too far up their own asses and still riding the 'WoW is unsinkable' mentality while their players flock to other games in the thousands, so they would never do the soul-searching and shock-horror learning from other games that made ARR a success.
It's a blessing in disguise for raiders since Savage is getting pushed to January, past the holiday season. And getting time off then is more feasible, even after taking time off in november.
@@Meestaseesta If Ion came out crying tomorrow about Shadowlands being a shitshow, I wouldn't believe him, no. Because his pattern of behaviour is consistently arrogant and dismissive. Whereas Yoshi-P is consistently humble, actually genuinely engages with the community's issues even if I don't always agree with what he and the team do (I still find Dark Knight's design incredibly bland and disjointed going into EW for instance), and I've seen him show actual emotion about the game time and time again, as in these clips right here. If I wanted to criticize, then yes, I think they should have revealed the delay immediately when the decision was made last week rather than holding it until the live letter. But I don't believe this was done for any reason other than wanting to release the best possible product on December 3rd, and with the utmost disappointment that they couldn't keep to their original schedule.
Not a religious person but the peninant man shall pass. Christians are told to be humble. I think we westerners have lost this humility. I live in the east now, both humility and your word are still important here. Being a good person matters
I just want to come back to this video and congratulate YoshiP and his team for winning two awards from The Game Awards. They have won both Best Ongoing game and best Community for this year.
i remember those q and a's. man now looking back, how dumb i was to believe they were about the player! then back in may i wanted to play an mmo, and ff14 popped up. soooooooooooooooo glad i jumped in! now seeing how great the ff dev team v.s. the wow dev team, no comparison! i wish i left wow back in wod! thank you for reminding me of years back to have hope for the future of ff14 :D
Ion: "You want to play a light-blue eyed elf... sorry. The Horde is waiting for you." Ion: "Faction imbalance is a social issue, that's up to you to fix." Ion: "Faction imbalance is on our radar." Please fire this guy, or at very least, demote him back to designing frustrating Mythic+ Affixes.
@@toyosenpai No it's not, it had become a massive numbers issue for many years now, simply put when one faction has eight+ times the recruit pool for raiding you join that faction, especially with the dwindling playerbase and even more not full servers dying (and blizzard doing nothing about it and using covid as an excuse, oh wait actually they did after they stopped the mergers, they released a moving bundle deluxe package for an automated service that should be free lul). It become even funnier when you realise that in their retconned lore adventurers from both factions have been raiding together since vanilla, so there is literally no reason for the faction/server restrictions on raids anymore (not that there ever was really, but they have killed the faction war meme multiple times over).
@@toyosenpai Excuse the necro, super easy example, give one of the two factions give a 2000% damage increase, see if people are evenly spread. Even if the obvious advantage is massively smaller and you remove it at the end, it existed and it's a no brainer people picked the options that don't activelly gimp them, so you already have an ever increasing lucrative pool on one side and an ever decreasing lucrative pool on the other (because that faction has the definitive competitive player base), it's a self perpetuating problem that by the time they bothered to address, after outright denying it for years, by adding exclusive alliance races with slightly better racials has spirraled so out of control nothing changed, because again people don't want to actively gimp themselves. To make it worse the second lucrative candy pro alliance changing was the fact that nobody in alliance raids so you could get in the hall of fame laughably easier ( most seasons end with the alliance hall of fame not filled until the very end if at all ), which pretty much states blizzards not only acknowledges the problem, they bet on the problem fixing itself by people paying outrageous prices to swap back and forth constantly for the achiv (hint, it didn't work because guilds don't love forking over 750$) At this point just let people play together.
For me, the Preach (Mike) interview to Ion was the final nail in the coffin regarding the wow devs trying to communicate to the playerbase. I was 10 years full on copium til' I started my journey on Eorzea a couple of months ago.
Ion being a great guy to talk to doesn’t mean he’s also a great developer/director Like many ppl said before Ion is a great encounter designer and nothing else it just that he was put in charge in a position he shouldn’t have been He has no idea how to treat players or to communicate or even being genuine and acknowledge about their mistakes (which mean they keep repeat the same mistake that drives players away)
@@BeeLightning Also, another, before he joined Blizzard before the launch of Wrath of the Lich King, he was a scummy union busting Lawyer from Whermer Hale. The same place where JAB also worked. Sooo, in a sense, he was using his lawyer type talk to bullshit his way to become what he is today.
The mentality difference between the WoW and FFXIV devs is actually insane. The community memes in WoW are mostly about the crap the devs say. The FF devs GO ALONG WITH and even REENACT the memes.... ADDING TO THE COMMUNITY.... also, imagine Ion crying about literally anything. Guy is a zombie lol
In World of Warcraft, you aren't even being treated as customers. You are being treated as if you are a statistic in a spreadsheet and a human-sized wallet and most of the people who PTR Test are basically Free Slave Labor for a place that treats QA like trash.
@@ArmageddonEvil also a reason why I don’t participate in the PTR. I only did it once and it was just to see how my character looked as a panda (from human). I liked it and switched on live. That was my PTR experience :)
Nope, 14 treats us like customers while WoW treats us like consumers. 14's devs act like they have to earn our subs, while WoW's act like we're being privileged to get a sub.
I'm so glad to have escaped the abusive relationship that was WoW, I'm about 5-6 months in on FFXIV and it's such a relief to play an MMO that doesn't try to squeeze every second of your time away with monotonous grinding. You can honestly feel FFXIV letting you set your own pace and explore your own interests, compared to the constant time-gating and dead sprint to the end that WoW content paces at. I'll always have a great love and appreciation for the massive world, the lore and characters, that began with Warcraft 3 for me and ended with years of on and off again WoW subs. I just can't imagine ever seeing myself renew that subscription again, I'll intake new story bits via helpful youtubers but that's all. WoW devs think their player base is a bunch of assholes, y'know what I do feel like an asshole, for having to eat all that shit these years. So thank you to Yoshi-P and every other dev who works there, your games heart and passion are clear to see - A WoW Refugee
It's a difference in philosophy, FFXIV is designed to not be FOMO and let you do the stuff when you want to. Scaling and roulettes let you experience old content years later and people still run it for costumes / mounts / decor. It's kinda bizarre that WoW invests so heavily into FOMO given that they don't really monetize the game to benefit from daily active users. Sadly FOMO is now the prevalent design choice in gaming (thanks mobile garbage) and doesn't seem like its going away. Fear Of Missing Out makes you log in and interact every day until it burns you out and makes you quit, but they hope that active period will milk a lot of money out of your pockets.
I have met some hardcore brainwashed WoW people that defend statements like that from the devs. It was mind blowing to me when I heard the amazingly condescending line "you think you want it, but you dont" in regards to wow classic and to have people say "he was right to say that"...
To be fair though, Classic was only a temporary success. Once it hit and had time to mature, it's kinda... bleh. So much is fundamentally broken in Classic, we just never noticed it when it happened the first time.
Never played WoW and I am shocked by the contempt for the player base that these blizzard devs have... We truly have been blessed by the SE devs and their passion for the game and the players
Well, some of them are taken out of context and anyone watching think they are that outright smug. This is what you need to know about the WoW dev team to make an idea. There is a perpetual cycle they go through in each expansion and this is generalized to give you an idea. It goes like this: -> during Closed beta they receive feedback that they ignore. -> during Open beta they receive feedback that they ignore. -> releases game by ignoring feedback. -> Surprised Pikachu face, players dont like the changes and bleed subscriptions. -> eventually implementing feedback (as if they came up with these ideas) but not to address the issues, just enough to bait subs. This is heavily generalized. WoW players are sick of alot of things. The answer he gave when he got asked why do they nerf demonology was a sarcastic reply because the community before this interview were all pissed off at the nerfs and were all up in arms "is as if blizzard doesnt want us to play demonology". Nevertheless, they overhauled the spec to add a new class born out of demonology design, Demon Hunter. They have a rockstar mentality. Everything is not their fault, we are there to bask in their creations. They do this over and over and over again and it is from this mutual hatred WoW devs and player base these answers are born. I am sick of WoW devs as much as the next guy. I play Samurai in FF14 right now, lvl 70 (right now). Most of Ions answers are taken out of context. His answers are always non-answers. Alot of lawyer talk.
WoW has been fucking us over for a long time. It’s good to see them grovel in desperation lmao. The shoe is on the other foot now, and it’s got dog 💩 on it.
I get you, but unfortunately the comparison has to be made. So many people, myself included, are so used to this BS that to see a different way of doing things is refreshing. It can open people’s eyes to other and better ways of doing things instead of tolerating the BS.
@@AweHitero Yoshi was not part of that team. The two leads that created that disaster were removed. Yoshi then took over. A true blessing from the Gods.
I was bored of toxicity in playing competitive games (I played the same game for 9 frickin years) about 4 months ago and I’m looking for some chill MMO games. I’ve been searching and I remembered that my family told me about FFXIV which he played until now from release, back then I’m still skeptical with subs system in a game, then I started trying the free trial all the way until HW, just after I finished all HW MSQ, I straight up bought the complete edition and I think it was the best decision ever in all of my gaming experience.
@@bigbay1159 I’ve done ShB too, and have tried savage raid too, only got BiS sets for SAM and MCH. For me ultimate is too overwhelming atm and still progging ucob, wml!
@@singgichi11 oh nice, I wasn't sure how far you had gotten but dang you've made great progress. And im in the same boat. I have the fights unlocked but lord knows Ultimate is its own beast but here to one day getting there! Cheers mate
@@bigbay1159 yeahh probably because I only interested in raids so I don’t really do other contents seriously unless solo PotD, and I found out that levelling in bozja is fun too. Good luck with your prog mate, soon we will get that legend title too!
I’ve been playing Lol since season 1, and recently picked up FFXIV because the free trial has so much content. I’m on HW right now, and yeah, what a great time.
And disrespecting the game itself as well. A lot of these questions just boil down to Ion just not giving a shit about minor things. Where as you can tell even small things weigh on Yoshi-P. And the difference is that Yoshi-P knows that a little little things can add up to create a lot of problems. Ion hasn't seem to gotten the memo, despite that being one of the bigger problems with the game now. We've long past gotten to the point where a lot of minor little details have built up to the point that the game just feels half assed in so many areas.
I have always called WOW the "Soul-stealing-game-of-doom" and I stand by it. I tried ONCE, 13 years ago, to play WOW, made it to lvl 5 and decided I would NEVER touch that game EVER again. I started FFIXV almost 5 years ago, and it's the first pay-to-play I ever gave a chance. I do not and will never once regret that decision. It's so worth it in so many ways, and a dev team that actually cares is a huge part of it. Granted, being that I'm autistic and struggle with change, once I get used to the changes made, I'm fine, and have no complaints (other than missing Flash). I love FFXIV, the story, the characters, the choices, the ability to be everything, mounts, minions, emotes, dances, event content... I love it all. And the community is far more friendly and accepting than any other gaming community I have ever been apart of or even witnessed from the sidelines. Granted, there are some bad apples, but as a whole, everything about FFXIV is far superior to WOW so much so that words cannot express the difference.
Holy crap! I've heard Blizzard always seems at odds with their player base, but I never saw it before now. They really do not respect or appreciate their player base.
Bro you need to watch the UA-cam video of disguised toast talking about blizzard vs riot. They literally treat their players/customers like a walking wallet and free labor.
did you guy know about Amaz (ex-Hearthstone streamer) case? Back then in Hearthstone tournament 2014, one of the female player came out 6 years later and tweet about how she forced to go into hot tub with other (male) participant and Amaz happen to be one of the tournament organizer. Blizzard, didn't listen Amaz side of story first, banned him for future tournament. This make Amaz quit Hearthstone entirely after being one of the first and big streamers for Hearthstone since release. Blizzard always treat its player and content creator like sh*t since beginning, they just get away with it back then.
they delayed shadowlands and it still wasn't worth playing, even with the recent patch that fixes alot of the stuff that SHOULD have been in at launch its still garbage. A minor delay for endwalker to be a polished gem that the players and devs can be proud of is acceptable in every way.
I feel like World of Warcraft Developers is taking the Bethesda route of game creation. All the while, FFXIV is going on a different path to make games great by which meaning, they are doing what Blizzard Abandoned all those years ago.
Ion HazExcuses has easily got to be the worst game director not just MMO director period in sheer numbers of players that have quit under his watch. This guy makes Smedley from Starwars Galaxies look like a genius.
@@RocRolDis Yeah, even when Preach was ripping on him for his comments about RPG structures and story mechanics in his last video he went out of his way to make the point that Ion is a nice guy and fun to talk to.
I duno, Jay Wilson "You aren't playing right" nearly killed the diablo franchise outright. There's more people playing D2 than D3,and it was true even before the remaster released.
When i saw yoship apologising and getting emotional for the delay, it’s extremely clear how hard he had been working for endwalker. He is a really genuine person after all, and his passion for the game is very clear.
WoW, bringing a new level of contempt directed at players. And I felt that every second I played their toxic game, which, mercifully,, I left years ago.
People would call the wow community toxic for the way they react to delays and "apologies". No, they aren't toxic, they're just giving what they get because people like Ion Hazzikostas legitimately do not care if they upset you or let you down. I felt worse for Yoshi P than I did that the expansion got delayed and I know if they did it, it was for everyone's benefit, not their own. I have only been playing 14 for four months and I have been blown away by the amount of love and care that went into the game and the community.
Same. It’s been about 3 or 4 months for me too. You can tell it was a labour of love and the community is so great. I get anxiety when I join groups cause WoW instilled that in me. But the player base is so good that is dissipates pretty fast. :)
@@bigbay1159 That is... hard to answer. My highest is red mage at 78 but I have put in 1100 hours in the 4 months so, it's probably easier to ask what I haven't played (monk, dancer, astro). Needless to say I love it and don't plan on going anywhere any time soon!
Yes, I used to think the same. I had played WoW until Wrath, quit, and tried again in Pandaria. I was so off put by the community I didn’t even last 2 weeks. I swore up and down that the community has just a toxic pit. I still believe that is true, but not because WoW players are inherently toxic; they are just reflecting the toxicity shown to them by the developers. I know this is true, because once the WoW player quits and takes up 14, their toxicity seems to just melt away. I have been playing 14 since Heavensward, and I was worried that a deluge of WoW ‘refugees’ would destroy my community. Yet I was wrong, if anything they seem to be shocked by what I consider baseline FF14 courtesy. Like the 🌱 surprised our group was okay with them not knowing the content, or waiting for them to watch a cutscene. I see where that came from.
So I'm a FF14 legacy player. Meaning I've been around before during & after the change in leadership. When Yoshida was introduced as Yoshu-P. I refused to call a 40 yr old man by a nickname. Then he broke down on stage and cried. I'll admit I was overcome with respect for Yoshi-P in that moment. Because good or bad. He's always front an center taking responsibility. Gotta respect that. And calling him by a silly nickname was & is the least I can do.
It's not a silly nickname. It's a respectful designation. The "P" acknowledges that he is a producer. If you look into the vocaloid scene, you'll notice that many composers go by a shorthand version of their surname with a "P" suffix attached.
@@KawaiiFive_O ok...? even if I did. Pretty sure I have every right to think it's a silly name. You're so fixated on defending somebody you literally don't know. You're clearly ignoring the part where i say "I was overcome with respect". Man I love people on the internet inability to juggle more than one opinion at a time.
I've never seen a direct comparison between the two men. Now that I have, I'm almost at a loss for words. FF14 is by no means perfect, but it's far from the pile of maggot crap that WoW has become.
Well, yeah the game is not perfect, PVP is non-existant (I'm not a PvP player, I don't like it but for them yeah it must be hard) housing is hell, storage is limited but at least, the devs want to do things good, want to improve the game, learn from what didn't work and improve it (Eureka is the best exemple, Bozja too) and only this point give FFXIV more credits than many others games, and even more the devs play on regular account like any other players so they can relate things the playerbase say and have a true idea of what the game is really
This guy spends more time adding additional polish and care to his game, and looks absolutely devastated when he needs to apologise to the fans, meanwhile, the Blizzard devs look disgruntled that they even need to talk to us.
@@TheKalnu bro what? they kept trying to delay cyber and kept getting shit for it. You think if Bliz delayed shadowlands any longer than they did people would kiss their ass like they are yoshi? They cut a whole raid out to keep up, you think if wow did that they would be met with
@@tbone8644 I meant the mentality of "just release it and they will buy it" leads into poor quality and badly made games. It has nothing to do with the delays.
@@Professor_Popo if you have more clips you should play them past the part where Ion makes an awkward joke but then genuinely attempts to explain the reasoning behind some gameplay choices. While i dont always agree with his explanation i do think the clips youve chosen have all been of obvious jokes and an attempt to make light of a situation. I also find it absolutely astonishing that Ion still has his current position as game director but that aside i feel like youre being kinda dishonest with your choice of "apology" clips. All of these are the jokes ion makes to break the ice before talking about a very volatile topic within the wow community.
The sad truth is as long as the game is making more net revenue from fewer subscribers, Actiblizz doesn't see a problem. If they are making tons of money, how can they be wrong? Don't get me wrong, I'm not at all defending the current dev team or Blizzard. As long as people keep throwing money at Blizzard, there's no incentive for Blizzard to change any philosophy about anything they are working on. What is probably going to happen long term (think several years going forward) is WoW needs to continue hemorrhaging subs, so net revenue goes down year over year. Then you "might" see a more humble and appreciative dev team.
Yoshi and Gang: Cares about customer, desires to give a good experience, takes accountability, works towards a better future Ian and Gang: Antagonistic to consumer, desires money, no accountability because it's the gamers fault, works towards next paycheck
This make me love the FFXIV team so much and appreciate their work. You can totally feel that the emotion Yoshi-P yesterday was legit. And as someone who used to play wow for 11 years and totally forgot that.... it's so sad that it's depressing
I havs started playing FFXIV this year months ago and really enjoyed it. In that tiem I realized how the devs really do care about the fanbase and are very passionate about it! This is what game developers should be...take the example that FFXIV devs are and be passionate about the game and the fanbase!
I have my Rauhbahn Ultimate shirt here ^^ and i like the memories ... a looong line everyone in the line are happy talk about everyting ... waitig for the Fight ^^
You should compare their FF Fan Fest to Blizzcon. Huge difference there, too. I've been playing FFXIV for almost a year now, and watching parts of the Fan Fest showed me how passionate the dev team is about their game and making their playerbase happy. YoshiP even dressed up in cosplay for the occasion and Soken's LAHEE performance had me laughing so hard.
Its bad enough that you're shitting on your players who like that class, but its even worse that it means you're shitting on your own developers who put time and labor into that class.
I remember back in MoP I had an issue with my account. I got in contact with an actual Blizzard support guy. He was super cool and everything and managed to resolve my issue in a few minutes. Nowadays even the automated system doesn't work as its intended.
Being a player from FFXIV 1.0 and seeing Yoichi Wada at Square Enix issue an apology for the state of the game back then, and then seeing Yoshi-P have to apologize for the game being received so well upon ARR launch and feeling bad for not having had enough server capacity and such was so crazy at the time, but now seeing that almost nobody has even brought the formal apology Wada issued back then up now is so amazing to me- this dev team has garnered so much trust and respect from its community over the last decade that the game having been considered one of the worst MMOs of all time isn't even a fleck on its record at this point. I love Business Division 3 so much
1.0 being as bad as it was is not a blemish on FFXIV's legacy.. it's a testament to just how devoted these developers are to preserve the legacy of the FF brand.
We showed them thousands of Warcraft Logs. We had metrics but we were still wrong. Failing specs bad covenants. Their math was always right We were always wrong. It's astonishing how long I stayed!
i feel so bad for Yoshi, he is so visibly upset even tho he is trying his best all.the.frigging.time. along with the devs. I hope he knows what a special potato he is to all of the XIV-fandom, he really really is. I have nothing but admiration and respect for him.
It's so absurd to look back on WoW with eyes no longer emotionally attached to it, seeing how ridiculously fucking disrespectful Ion is to the playerbase. I quit in Legion, shoulda quit sooner. The game died as was predicted with this behavior. Glad so many other people's eyes are finally open to it now too
I always heard from FFXIV players that YoshiP is very passionate of trying to make FFXIV a great MMORPG experience, but damn, you can actually see his anguish and treats this delay as a failure to the FF14 community. I'm guessing this was a decision from the higher-ups. But man, YoshiP really takes this seriously.
The delay was his own making to do quality assurance for Endwalker, thats why he was so sorry, since he said it was mostly his own selfishness and couldn’t contain his desire to further improve Endwalker‘s quality.
Ion is so damn arrogant. I don't think I've seen the man humble himself before his game's playerbase even once. Even in the recent council announcement, he looks genuinely bitter about the whole thing.
@@ArmageddonEvil And they love every bit of punishment that's being handed to them in a silver platter. No wonder WoW community is toxic, due to how Blizzard fosters it. It all make sense now.
@@Xport9 Even though, now they want to change but it's too little too late. I feel like all the promises to change how toxic the game is, will only, in the end, backfire harder than how hard it has been to control them now. Since their approach is probably more of a hammer than a soft touch aka their detoxifying rules will be Draconian Laws, that will even ban people who aren't like most of the super toxic people. Aka like what goes on in League of Legends. They will literally follow League's examples over other games. lol
WOW employee: Sir, we discovered some game breaking bugs, we will need about a month to fix Blizzard: oh yeah? release the game in 2 weeks. WoW employee: but i said we need a mo- Blizzard: oh, and reskin a mount and but it in the store FF employee: Sir, we discovered some game breaking bugs, we will need about a month to fix SquareEnix: Ok
I don’t really mind yoshi delayed the expansion because previous delayed was worth the wait. Wow on the other I rather not spend a dime because everything was rushed for no reason.
What really made me realize just how committed they've been to FFXIV was when a buddy of mine whose been playing this whole time (I've been off and on) showed me data on all the damage classes stacked against each other and the difference between the highest and lowest was something like barely 10%. That's actually really incredible balance considering what other games achieve with similar or even far fewer classes within the same role.
Or backwards insults to their player base, that got them to the 12 million subscriber numbers. I feel like when Ion took over they always wanted to *get* rid of saying what the actual subscriber count is because the old guard's ideas are stupid or something, 'What's that FUN in my Boosting World of Warcraft game?' Edit: Oh wait, he said that in a Venture Beat Interview literally, word for word about the old guard's ideas are stupid. lol
I always disliked Ion even from the very get-go simply because of how he treated the players in these Q&As. His arrogance and contempt just dripped from every word he said, and he was always so disrespectful to the playerbase. Go figure that it bled into his design philosophies and the game quickly ran itself into the ground, which is really too bad.
@@Kalecism "sorry that you're an idiot and can't understand our plan for the game. no, we're not changing things (until x.3). get over it and buy the 6-month sub."
@@badmodem That's what I was expecting to see, final fantasy devs crying on one hand, WoW devs writing a letter on the other. The only time I saw blizz devs apoligizing was when the lawsuit thing happened, but to make up for that they decide to double down on the woke bulshit instead of making a better game, showing that the only thing they care about is looking good and feeding whales with mounts and pets. No king rules forever indeed.
Yo im so glad I started playing ffxiv. It makes me feel as if I’m a part of this community who holds this game so dear to their hearts. And to know that the developers have that mutual feeling as well is really cool.
FFXIV’s apology: “We’re sorry for the decision we made and we hope we can make it up for you. 😢”
WoW’s apology: “We’re sorry you feel that way. 🙂”
" *I* am sorry."
Yoshida acts like a true project leader and solely took the blame for the delay, without even mentioning his team. The man is truly too humble
@@gianni.sacciloto
To be fair, he's the head (YoshiP) of the project, so any mishaps that happens, it would be someone that calls the shots and as well their responsibilities. Unlike Blizzard, they just shrug it off as if nothing happens, and they will start drinking a copious amount of alcohol the next day.
@@Xport9 Yes, that's why I'm praising him. Blizzard doesn't give a fuck about their paying consumers, don't think they give to their dev team either. Certainly Ion doesn't.
@@gianni.sacciloto To me, I find it bizarre that he would get emotional over a delay to make the game great. Which, in my eyes, sounds understandable especially when they have been doing a good job. But I find it admirable compared to Blizzard’s shrug, “Oops. Sorry I guess.”
That just tells me who is more passionate.
@@lostcrusader8053 He is always like this, not something bizarre at all. They gave us a fixed date for the release and iirc they never failed to deliver on time. Never. The first time this happened was with the 5.3 patch because of Covid, and a second time now basically for the same reason as they already were behind on schedule. Yoshida probably felt deeply ashamed of himself for not being able to deliver on time, something he is proud of never having happened before.
FFXIV Developers: Players are not having fun, we might have done something wrong
WOW Developers: Players are not having fun, they might be playing it wrong
I have some fun. Problem is that in order for me to have fun, I must play off meta (shadow priest kyrian). There is like 10% of kyrian priests and probably 9.95% are discipline priests (which I also play). All others are night fae or necrolord.
And even with the new change. I don’t like changing covenants for x or y type of content. A talent system would have been better. I’m kyrian and will f stay kyrian. Even if meta says otherwise.
@@Chibibowa Venthyr Discipline Priest is what I played.
I realized that the decline of Wow Started after Legion… right as Ion became director…
Hmmmm
😂
@@Darksaviour FACTS.
Even for japanese standars Yoshida's respect for the players is outstanding. Of course I'm going to forgive them for the delay of Endwalker
I still need to catch up to the MSQ! So I personally need it 😂
@@DadsCigaretteRun me too! I was actually happy! I was behind MSQ plans I had because of personal problems and now I can have enough time to finish it
You don't see a humble man often these days, Yoshi P is one beyond humble.
he respects the players so much that he delayed the game at the last minute. Yeah right. They knew a week ago it would have to be delayed and couldn't give us even that courtesy of letting us know?
I'm disapponited, but not in them, just in that I won't get to play as quickly as I'd like to. They did everything right and to the best of their abilities, yet they still had to delay it. Mad respect for the apology Yoshi-P!
you can see how Yoshida HATES every word he has to say with this announcement because he knows its a dissapointment and disrupts ppls plans....i doubt any wow dev ever felt 10% of that weight and responsibillity.
You can also see how he keeps shifting his gaze away from the camera. He's so upset about this that he can barely keep it together. And then literally broke down crying just a minute later ;w;
@@TheRedAzuki I think he was also checking the comments, since the monitor that shows comments from live letters are to the side.
@@peerawat9x ... which probably fuled the crying. He really hates disappointing them.
And the Endwalker delay? It’s two weeks. When a game gets delayed, it’s usually by months. The way Yoshi-P reacts, you just wanna grab him, hug him and tell him it’s ok.
There was once someone who really wanted to help and kinda did, but he left and the private forums went to shit, where they still are. He now works at riot, i think, on their MMO. I forgot his name, because i read about that stuff just a few days ago. And everyone who participated in the private forums for wow, said that as soon as he left and leadership changed, they started treating players opinions like Ion does in this video or how J Allen Brak (or however your write his name) said "You think you do, but you don't".
It is honestly insane how polarizing these dev teams are. Baffles me every time I see the comparisons.
Blizz really needs to get rid of Lore.
It doesn’t baffle me at all. I’ve lived a majority of my life in the us. I’ve spent the last 10 years in Asia. I’m not a progressive but, when progressives say there is toxic masculinity, this is what comes to mind. We men in the west hide our feelings as much as possible. Out here they do it and call it saving face but both men and women do it. Even then when it comes to being open about your feelings I believe the men here do it way way way more.
It's a combo of ego and protection from corporate liability. Apologizing is seen as a liability by US corporations and law as apologizing is an admission of guilt for doing something bad. By admitting guilt, they are then held responsible for fixing the mistake and or upholding counter measures to prevent the mistake from happening again. But since those fixes are expensive and can threaten the status quo, the "easiest" way to prevent all that is to never apologize.
@Patrick FF ?? FFXIV will never be anything like WoW as long as it has YoshiP at the helm. I think you need to do a lil more research
@@ViralVenom Nah, they just need to case to be. Like a tv-show that goes on for too long, they just suck after a while when the main story arcs are done. Nothing lasts forever, and that's just as well.
If the WoW team ever sees this: don't misunderstand, we don't need you to prostrate yourselves, we just want you to actually care about the game you're making. Instead of not. It's that simple.
Oh I would enjoy seeing Ion waterboarded, just like he allowed people to continue to be.
Yep and I'm going to win the lottery before that happens
@@gscgold Same there
@@eboethrasher WoW is just a computer game and want to see someone tortured because you don't like it?
@@benbooth2783 Please, I'ts the internet! Discuss morality if often a waste of time.
If blizzard had even 10% the respect and passion for the community that YoshiP and the ffxiv team has, things might have been different. I feel like I've wasted 16 years of my life on WoW with an abusive dev team when these beautiful, fantastic and dedicated ffxiv developers are doing their best for the players and the game, I regret not supporting this game sooner.
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I feel the same, I tried leaving wow years ago but it felt like Stockholm syndrome I kept coming back a few weeks ago I Uninstalled wow and have been happy playing ff14 full on
to be fair here, that bullshit became crazy when Ion took over and that was like in WoD IIRC. And WoW goes downhill since then pretty much. Legion was an anomaly in between WoD and BFA/Shadowlands. But back in the days, WC3 and WoW devs were full of passion too. Please don't forget that. ION on the other hand, he is a lawyer and former member of this shitty site elitistjerks. Which was never know to be "nice" etc. He is just not the right person for this game.
@@fragdq Holy crap, I remember that website.
I am agree with this.
My boyfriend had one remaining week to book off this year. He booked it for the 19th November. It cannot be changed now , December is fully booked up. At this announcement of the 2 week delay he was silently devastated but then he turned to me and said;
'He looks exhausted- whats another 2 weeks'.
The Final Fantasy community is miles ahead of WOW. Their attitudes, their relationship with the devs.
Came back after a year today to find a toxic WoW style attitude in a dungeon. Really hoping that's a one-off and the WoW influx didnt change anything.
@@Balloonbot The good thing about that is these people will be reported and given temporary bans for bad behaviour. FFXIV thankfully is pretty good at policing out the toxic players and teaching them manners.
I accept the delay but am still upset obviously
If you watch YoshiP apology on the delay, he did mentioned that he feel sorry for those that are already applied their paid-leave in order to play during the early access.
I am also in the same situation tbh.. i booked my paid-leave on 19th, but it delayed for 2 weeks and to make it worse, i had to travel to Vietnam during the early access on 3rd.. i am also devastated.. but i have been playing this game for almost 10 years and never once they disappointed me so i really dont mind the delay. 😊😊😊
Lots of nerds booking days off lol
I havent done this in 20 years lol
Is just a game.
The best way to insult Ion Hazzikostas is by quoting him directly.
As nice of a guy Ion is outside of WoW, he is such an annoying person as game director. All this talk about how great the covenant system is and how he believes it was a good thing, and performed well, despite evidence to the contrary before and after the fact, and the man doesn't even play the fucking game.
He hasn't raided in 3 months according to his character's information, and when he does raid he gets carried and grey parses through content. And sits a whopping 50 out of 80 Renown, which means he can't even be bothered to take part in the fucking covenant system he keeps trying to praise. The fucking nerve.
There is no surprise his name actually reads "Ion has cost us."
"bingo players."
Or just any Blizzard employee at this point, really. Like "Do you guys not have phones?" or "You think you want it, but you don't.". Or point out how /spit was removed to combat toxicity while the N-word can still be used liberally in-game.
@@Xynth22 not even sure if he did it himself. He could have paid someone to do it.
For YoshiP he treats the delay as a failure on his part. He did the same when ARR was relaunched and the servers could not handle the flux of players, he & the whole dev team went on stage and publicly apologized for that as well saying again it was a failure on his part as the leader. YoshiP can be really hard on himself for things he can not control cause he is so passionate about the game & the player base. It really does show he cares & wants whats best for the game & the players....for that how can anyone be upset about this.
And another thing that really impressed me is that he takes the ownership of the problems on his own, he never blames the team and see it as a failure as a leader. This is how a true leader looks like and people will be willing to follow these kind of leader
@@Dahorn He also never blames the players, unlike the other guys.
Well, yes. But also, it's worth keeping in mind that Japan has a very strong apology culture. Companies publicly apologizing for mistakes or lacking service is the norm in Japan.
@@LazzyVamples its called loyalty, unlike the money grabbing pervy girl touching western devs.
@@Danny-Craig I feel like you're projecting something on me here.
As someone who has never played WoW, this is absolutely baffling to me. We WoLs have truly been spoiled.
I played WoW up to Cataclysm. The game was great, the devs were amazing, the customer service cared. It's what happened when Activision greedy gnomes came. I'm glad I left when I did. Meanwhile some people really still just live in the past there.
Oh, you sweet summer child. what they showed wasn't even the BAD stuff.
@@zkysk7672 Um....It's all the old school devs at Blizzard who are getting kicked out the door for sexually harassing their coworkers. It wasn't nearly as great as they pretended it was
Yep. Yoshi-P is the kind of dad that will apologize for not getting what you wanted for your birthday, and work overtime for a couple of weeks, so he will get it for you next paycheck. Ion is the drunk stepdad that will get you a football for your birthday, instead of the pair of shoes you needed, so you can "play a real sport, instead of that s*ssy baseball shit..."
@@zkysk7672 You know that everything after TBC was made under Activision? Greedy Gnomes were there already in Wrath and Cata.
"Why are you nerfing demonology to the ground"
"Because we rather you didn't play demonology"
ok **cancels subscription** i'll play Summoner now. everyone got what they wanted.
Apparently that was meant to be a wry joke. But some jokes just aren’t worth the telling. Not to mention his demeanor suggested that he wasn’t actually that bothered by specification imbalance, somehow.
OOH! And just in time for Summoner to get its time in the spotlight. The re-work coming looks so good I want to play it and im a tank/healer main
I’ve been hearing about the Summoner changes.when do they come in to play? Is it the Endwalker release?
@@LobsterFusion Yes, once Endwalker is actually published.
@@SkyknightMuyeah i thought that too, it must be him just joking.
But when he answers the damage sponge on world boss thing, that convince me that it's his way of telling the player "you don't understand how to play the game as intended" kind of thing.
This is actually just my first clip of watching WoW's director talking to the community, maybe i haven't seen all of it.
but still i still kinda think that most of it is just joking around but at the same time it doesn't answer anything
Ah... the classic battle of sincerity vs. condescension.
I read that as condensation lmfao I'm like uh hwat
Great video dude
@@ajwtube Thank you so much friend!
"Sincerity and condescension - the war eternal!"
The WoW devs are the great unifiers, they are "sincerely condescending".
We have to remember that Yoshi P had NOTHING to do with 1.0 being bad, yet he still apologized! Same with the latest delay. It's all 'cause of COVID. It wasn't their fault that they had to delay Endwalker, yet he STILL apologized and even cried out of disappointment...
I think this purely a japanese thing. I can't imagine someone coming from another country doing this
No dude, YoshiP himself said the reason for the delay were all the very small details he kept fine tuning that eventually ate into the final QA check schedule.
He wanted every single loose end dealt with so that the current Zodiark/Hydaelyn saga ends properly.
He already planned for COVID and adjusted the schedule as needed to cover for that.
YoshiP also knew that many of us ( myself included) had booked time off to play endwalker ( as we have done for past expansions ) either at early access or on release date and that we most likely could not move the holiday. Yoshida-San is a rare person in that he wants US to have a polished product that we enjoy and to see him break down like that breaks me. I can wait for as long as needed to play Endwalker as I and millions of other players believe in YoshiP to give us a product that is enjoyable, relatable and will bring us together even more as a community.
@@MattBrain9336 COVID did in fact affect it. Watch Asmon's video addressing the delay.
@@PetarBladeStrok why? YoshiP already said why
I haven’t played WoW so this is my first time seeing some of Ion’s “apologies”. Fuck me running he has nothing but contempt for the players
He was the GM of a guild called Elitist Jerks, the website of which was at one time the hub of Works theorycrafting. The name says enough, and their moderation style was every bit as toxic as how they've been running the game.
And that's the light fouls, my dude. That shit gets bad REALLY fast.
Fanbase: "Hey, here's a product/service we'd like that we'd like to pay you for that's directly related to your product/service that we love."
Blizzard Devs: "You'd like to think that, but you don't. But don't worry, we'll eventually do it, and make you suffer for it when it actually works."
@@LamhirhAbriel I remember them. Unsurprising. And this explains so much!
These are the mild douche moments. Back in legion, when they completely fucked over the Warlock class, and we retaliated by taking over an entire message board Q&A with "when are you going to fix warlocks?" (9/10 questions was the same warlock question), we got told we were godawful people who ruined a perfectly good Q&A by demanding a longstanding problem be fixed.
And we only did that because of the kind of behavior Ion exhibits here. The ass really needs to go back to practicing law and let someone who actually cares about players direct WoW.
Former WoW player here: We're lucky if we even get a spoken apology. Most of them were in typed dev letters, which were clear attempts at crowd control. And then when we do get spoken, they're obligatory or apathetic. Yoshi-P's apology really surprised me. When I watched this live and they were building up to the bad news, the tone legit made me afraid someone in the team became sick or died! He looked so genuinely ashamed and bowed so low his head practically touched the table. The whole group did, even the translator. Like, that left a huge impression!
I took days off work for this expansion that I won't be able to move because I work in retail, I hae been covering for others for weeks now, taking extra hours so that others will cover for me at the end of November. And the only thing I'm disappointed about is that fact, that I won't be able to move my time off because I know that the dev team realizes all of this and knows that there are many others like me, in fact if all the interviews are anything to go by then YoshiP would have been one of those people that would have taken a few days off to play the new expansion if he were just a player. I also know they wouldn't have done this delay if it wasn't absolutely necessary to bring us what we've come to expect from the FF14 team. You only get one chance at a first impression and that first impression has to be just right so I hope they delay it for as long as they need to.
I am so sorry, that’s gotta be rough. 😢🙏
Exactly.
We could argue for days about those games (WoW / FF14), but one thing is clear: the attitude of those in charge couldn't be be more different. One side strives to do deliver their absolute best, the other is simply after their next paycheck.
You can't buy sincerity, you have it or not.
The wow response to this would be don't work retail
@@iggyschlepp basically lol. They did delay the last WoW expansion... through a written letter (:
And that was kind of the tone of the letter.
On the bright side, you at least get some free days to rest and maybe take a short vacation instead. I hope you have a good time and find the rest you need
man i was so Sad as Yoshi started to cry cuz of the "selfish" delay . It show how much passion and love he has for his creation and i respect that complete.
I'm sure he cries because he cant sell boosts for the next raid untill it releases... Oh wait..... Wrong dev.
I know I found the “selfish” in the text announcement odd, given that they were trying to quell loose ends. I guess it has more to do with Japanese business culture as opposed to USA business culture?
@@PyromancerRift Not gonna lie, you had me in the first half!
@@SkyknightMu I think he's saying it's selfish because the little details he wants to get right probably matter only to him, so he sees it as being more for him than for us. Which we know is how amazing games are made.
@@SkyknightMu From what he said, the reason they had to delay is because he was going over the story and cutscene models with a fine-toothed comb trying to make sure everything was perfect, and the time it took to implement his feedback meant they couldn't fully complete the QA process in time for the original launch date. So it was either release a product that hadn't been fully tested, or delay the game so they could complete QA. That's why he regards it as selfish, but I don't blame him for wanting to ensure the quality of this expansion above all given the significance of it and the massive influx of new players.
He's acting like it was delayed by 2 years, what a guy. Meanwhile Ions sarcastic remarks has not served him well.
I said it years ago and I said it now Ion was really a bad pick to handle WoW he clearly dont know what he does
He did kill the PvP back in cata and mop the PvP was really good no need to fix and ion came and said "oh I not like to grind my gear, I just want my gear PvE"
If I was blizz back then I would pick someone else to care about the PvE and PvP and put back ion to do what he does best dungeon and raid
He shit s on alliance fans constantly over wanting High Elves then he trolled after Alliance got VoidTrash. Blizzard refused to give what the majority of Alliance wanted and kept kicking them
@@richardshiflett5181 In all honesty, the people who want/wanted High Elves kind of deserve it, especially with the ridiculous arguments they come forward with.
@@Kalgert Your opinion is wrong and therefore irrelevant.
@@askekrause3909 The High-Elves aren't supposed to be a playable race because they're literally just blood elves with blue eyes. So that's clearly not enough.
But now, Void Elves can be less corrupted and closer to Blood or High Elves. So everyone's happy.
I never played WOW but this seriously hurts to watch. Ion acts so fucking smug and "on a high Horse" it's baffling how little charisma a person can have.
He feels like the guy who would talk shit to a group of dudes near an unlit valley. And not out of death wish, but because he legit can't understand how human interaction works. I'm a smug asshole too, but the way he treats his customers is ridiculous. Its as if he's not aware that he has a job and not just doing it as a hobby. Perhaps people at Blizzard are so full of themselves they forgot what being broke or fired means. Not surprising, considering their bosses get golden parachutes in such situations.
it's like some random bozo from the forums was made a Game Director. No wonder their community is just known for so much toxicity, it's ingrained from the ground up.
@@eggi5569 Well, not random, but his main thing before being recruited was being head of Elitist Jerks, a guild dedicated to determining full optimization. (Sadly, the name was apparently not self-deprecation.) So there’s a question on my end of how well he has internalized (or can internalize) casual needs as opposed to hardcore.
Ion only looks at his bank account which sadly all the WOW players helped to fill.
He’s a robot. Thus the reason they allow bots on their servers.
Yoshi P actually understands players struggles because he first and foremost a player than an executive. That's why he's emotional not just from the feeling responsible but he understands that if he was a player, he himself will be very upset and disappointed. So that makes him feeling double guilty as an executive and fellow player. Anger and disappointed probably with himself for not being able to be punctual, and then guilty with the players for not being able to keep the promised release.
Iirc, he even said that sometimes he wishes he wasn't working on the game, cuz he'd like to be able to play through it without knowing what's going to happen. I also think he said he goes out of his way to avoid hearing about the story from the writing team because of this xD
When Yoshi-P starting crying last night, I started crying, and I'm NOT a crier. We are so lucky to have him.
The fact that he cried because he delayed it for two weeks, _only_ two weeks, says a lot. Two weeks isn't much but he was visibly crushed by the decision.
I cried too 🥺
It broke my HEART, my AETHER, to see him cry
I didnt even got time off for endwalker's original release date ;_;
I wanted to hug him, he is so damn pure 🥺
This is one of the biggest things I love about the game and community. In the announcement stream I don't think I saw anyone really having a fit over it, they all just wanted him to feel better 😄
It’s funny, watching the live letter, my thought to the release pushback was “when was the last time I felt this level of sincerity from any single WoW developer?”
Honestly, I can't think of _any_ game developer that has this level of sincerity recently.
There appears to be this conceited arrogance within Blizzard that, no matter how badly the player base got dicked about, people would grumble but grin and bear it until the next helping of offle was handed out... now that they are under serious threat from other games though their own sheer ineptedness you see them thrashing around and trying to damage control the mess they have created. FF14's approach is a breath of fresh air of respect and gratitude that players deserve
It's culture that has been brewing not only inside their company but as being part of the state they are in, California, which is also the place where Sony relocated their headquarters instead of staying in Japan.
@@kriscubero6778
That's why most Sony games that comes out nowadays are all WOKE garbage. Japan should've not moved their HQ there.
I don’t believe this. You can move the company, but not the mentality. Western - eastern mentality has diverged vastly. Your word, deeds and humility reflect on you and your community here in the east still. In the west it’s more about who do I blame and let’s point fingers, and how do I get my piece of the pie. While that tooo happens out here, the above traits have not fallen from the norm in the east
@@Xport9 How about woke not-garbage?
@@kriscubero6778 I disagree. The arrogance has always been there regardless of them being in California. If they moved to Texas or wherever, they’d still be the same. They have this rockstar mentality where they feel they can do no wrong.
Yoshi p could in all honesty delay until 2022 and i would not mind it at all. His respect for the game and its community dissolves him of all dissatisfaction a delay would normally cause.
Not to mention, that might be better. Jan 1, this is the beginning of a new era in the game and the end of the game.
Absolves.
Honestly, they can go beyond that, if they think they need the time for the game & themself + family, the community will be sad BUT would never stand in thier way, hell, even encourage them to take the time!
@@YuubiTimberwolf it’s Crazy how positive a Community can be when the developers are positive too and everyone is actively working with each other.
Ive waited for kh 3…i think i have enough patience
I gave FFXIV a try, it's not my cup of tea really, but BRO, I respect their developers SOOOOO MUCH, they are passionate about their game, so emotionaly bound with it and have so much respect for players. I wish them all the best, endwalker will be a smashing hit when it's released!
Edit: thanks for so much positivity in comments, you are great playerbase and people!
Thank you for giving ff a try, love this game to death
Japanese RPGs in general are a different cup of tea compared to Western RPGs but yeah YoshiP is a stellar example of what to do right in an MMO
Nexum I will be curious to know why wasn't your cup of tea? I'm talking as someone who tried 2 times this game and I hate it and keep bashing it, wasn't for me, but then I gave it a new try, a third time with a different mindset, like it's my first MMO and start exploring making friends in game etc, learning stuff and become to enjoy it and quitting wow forever
Same, i tried it and played Scholar(or whatever the starter mage is called) and lancer, then checked out the gameplay for advanced classes after being disappointed by these 2.
And of course when i saw that Dragoon wasn't even close to the Dragoon i grew up with, and the fact that magic users have to stand still to cast i just ditched it. Not my kind of gameplay. Also i didn't like how equipment was handled.
BUT even with those i can't say this game is bad or the dev team is not Stellar. This game is worth the price tag and more. As long as it is what you are personally looking for in a MMO.
I didnt think it would like it either since it seemed so slow, but it did really pick up once you hit heavensward and you start getting your off global cd skills. 1 to 40 is rough though for any class.
Yoshi-P (And quite frankly, the whole FFXIV dev team) is just too damn wholesome for this world I swear.
This is why even though I'm gutted that I took a week off for Endwalker that I can't move and I won't get time off on the new release because December in retail is nuts, I'm not mad because I can see just how torn up Yoshi-P was about having to delay this even more than it was already delayed by Covid putting them behind schedule. And to be honest, I know I would feel pretty terrible if they released it on the 19th and I was greeted by a broken game I'd taken time off for, whether that was the second coming of Raubahn Savage or some other issue, so I would rather they took the time to make sure everything works as it should rather than yeet out broken content with the 'oh we'll just patch later' mentality that's become a plague on gaming.
Looking at these clips should also tell you why if Blizzard tried to do an ARR move on WoW, it would fail. SE had the will because they understood that saving the Final Fantasy brand's integrity would give them high dividends in future, and they had an absolute miracle in the form of Yoshi-P. Ion and the other WoW devs are too far up their own asses and still riding the 'WoW is unsinkable' mentality while their players flock to other games in the thousands, so they would never do the soul-searching and shock-horror learning from other games that made ARR a success.
It's a blessing in disguise for raiders since Savage is getting pushed to January, past the holiday season. And getting time off then is more feasible, even after taking time off in november.
So if a wow dev came out crying you wouldn't be mad? This is all just a show.
@@Meestaseesta If Ion came out crying tomorrow about Shadowlands being a shitshow, I wouldn't believe him, no. Because his pattern of behaviour is consistently arrogant and dismissive. Whereas Yoshi-P is consistently humble, actually genuinely engages with the community's issues even if I don't always agree with what he and the team do (I still find Dark Knight's design incredibly bland and disjointed going into EW for instance), and I've seen him show actual emotion about the game time and time again, as in these clips right here.
If I wanted to criticize, then yes, I think they should have revealed the delay immediately when the decision was made last week rather than holding it until the live letter. But I don't believe this was done for any reason other than wanting to release the best possible product on December 3rd, and with the utmost disappointment that they couldn't keep to their original schedule.
I took a week off for Endwalker too :(
Not a religious person but the peninant man shall pass. Christians are told to be humble. I think we westerners have lost this humility. I live in the east now, both humility and your word are still important here. Being a good person matters
I just want to come back to this video and congratulate YoshiP and his team for winning two awards from The Game Awards. They have won both Best Ongoing game and best Community for this year.
Lots of awards and all well deserved!
i remember those q and a's. man now looking back, how dumb i was to believe they were about the player!
then back in may i wanted to play an mmo, and ff14 popped up. soooooooooooooooo glad i jumped in!
now seeing how great the ff dev team v.s. the wow dev team, no comparison!
i wish i left wow back in wod!
thank you for reminding me of years back to have hope for the future of ff14 :D
Welcome to the family friend!
Never even return. Stay on dead game xiv lmao
@@josemaranchio5747 talking trash won't get Ion to give you a free mount, so show some dignity while your jaw is still dry
@@Unasham3d *cope inhale* ffxiv is good we are friendly *inhale* blizzard is big and bad *overdose* lets shittalk on wow then call them toxic
@@josemaranchio5747 You didnt hear, think or feel in any of those toxic comments of yours. Congrats.
FFXIV: "I wish to hug Yoshi and pour him a beer."
wow: "I wish to send cobras to hug these nameless pricks and then piss in their drinking glass..."
Yoshi-P "I'm sorry, I hope we can still be friends."
Ian "Get over it"
Ion: "You want to play a light-blue eyed elf... sorry. The Horde is waiting for you."
Ion: "Faction imbalance is a social issue, that's up to you to fix."
Ion: "Faction imbalance is on our radar."
Please fire this guy, or at very least, demote him back to designing frustrating Mythic+ Affixes.
underrated comment comrad
It is a social issue though.
@@toyosenpai No it's not, it had become a massive numbers issue for many years now, simply put when one faction has eight+ times the recruit pool for raiding you join that faction, especially with the dwindling playerbase and even more not full servers dying (and blizzard doing nothing about it and using covid as an excuse, oh wait actually they did after they stopped the mergers, they released a moving bundle deluxe package for an automated service that should be free lul).
It become even funnier when you realise that in their retconned lore adventurers from both factions have been raiding together since vanilla, so there is literally no reason for the faction/server restrictions on raids anymore (not that there ever was really, but they have killed the faction war meme multiple times over).
@@whenyoucoolasacucumber It's a social issue because the players have a choice of picking one side or the other. It's really that simple.
@@toyosenpai Excuse the necro, super easy example, give one of the two factions give a 2000% damage increase, see if people are evenly spread.
Even if the obvious advantage is massively smaller and you remove it at the end, it existed and it's a no brainer people picked the options that don't activelly gimp them, so you already have an ever increasing lucrative pool on one side and an ever decreasing lucrative pool on the other (because that faction has the definitive competitive player base), it's a self perpetuating problem that by the time they bothered to address, after outright denying it for years, by adding exclusive alliance races with slightly better racials has spirraled so out of control nothing changed, because again people don't want to actively gimp themselves.
To make it worse the second lucrative candy pro alliance changing was the fact that nobody in alliance raids so you could get in the hall of fame laughably easier ( most seasons end with the alliance hall of fame not filled until the very end if at all ), which pretty much states blizzards not only acknowledges the problem, they bet on the problem fixing itself by people paying outrageous prices to swap back and forth constantly for the achiv (hint, it didn't work because guilds don't love forking over 750$)
At this point just let people play together.
For me, the Preach (Mike) interview to Ion was the final nail in the coffin regarding the wow devs trying to communicate to the playerbase. I was 10 years full on copium til' I started my journey on Eorzea a couple of months ago.
Preach kept saying how he thinks Ion is a great guy to talk to... but looking at how much he seems to despise the players, i seriously can't see that.
Ion being a great guy to talk to doesn’t mean he’s also a great developer/director
Like many ppl said before Ion is a great encounter designer and nothing else it just that he was put in charge in a position he shouldn’t have been
He has no idea how to treat players or to communicate or even being genuine and acknowledge about their mistakes (which mean they keep repeat the same mistake that drives players away)
@@BeeLightning Also, another, before he joined Blizzard before the launch of Wrath of the Lich King, he was a scummy union busting Lawyer from Whermer Hale. The same place where JAB also worked. Sooo, in a sense, he was using his lawyer type talk to bullshit his way to become what he is today.
@@RisqueBisquetz being a great person to talk to is compared to a bar buddy, but being a responsible person to talk to is a different matter.
@@ArmageddonEvil the marketing lawyer types.
The mentality difference between the WoW and FFXIV devs is actually insane. The community memes in WoW are mostly about the crap the devs say. The FF devs GO ALONG WITH and even REENACT the memes.... ADDING TO THE COMMUNITY.... also, imagine Ion crying about literally anything. Guy is a zombie lol
In FF14 we're not being treated like customers, we're being treated as stakeholders.
In World of Warcraft, you aren't even being treated as customers. You are being treated as if you are a statistic in a spreadsheet and a human-sized wallet and most of the people who PTR Test are basically Free Slave Labor for a place that treats QA like trash.
@@ArmageddonEvil also a reason why I don’t participate in the PTR. I only did it once and it was just to see how my character looked as a panda (from human). I liked it and switched on live. That was my PTR experience :)
@@ArmageddonEvil Blizzard Free slave labour is true. People should youtube disguised toast blizzard vs riot video.
Nope, 14 treats us like customers while WoW treats us like consumers.
14's devs act like they have to earn our subs, while WoW's act like we're being privileged to get a sub.
@@leadpaintchips9461 You make a good point, at some point you'd have to wonder if their current subs don't just have a findom kink :)
I'm so glad to have escaped the abusive relationship that was WoW, I'm about 5-6 months in on FFXIV and it's such a relief to play an MMO that doesn't try to squeeze every second of your time away with monotonous grinding. You can honestly feel FFXIV letting you set your own pace and explore your own interests, compared to the constant time-gating and dead sprint to the end that WoW content paces at. I'll always have a great love and appreciation for the massive world, the lore and characters, that began with Warcraft 3 for me and ended with years of on and off again WoW subs. I just can't imagine ever seeing myself renew that subscription again, I'll intake new story bits via helpful youtubers but that's all. WoW devs think their player base is a bunch of assholes, y'know what I do feel like an asshole, for having to eat all that shit these years. So thank you to Yoshi-P and every other dev who works there, your games heart and passion are clear to see - A WoW Refugee
It's a difference in philosophy, FFXIV is designed to not be FOMO and let you do the stuff when you want to. Scaling and roulettes let you experience old content years later and people still run it for costumes / mounts / decor. It's kinda bizarre that WoW invests so heavily into FOMO given that they don't really monetize the game to benefit from daily active users.
Sadly FOMO is now the prevalent design choice in gaming (thanks mobile garbage) and doesn't seem like its going away. Fear Of Missing Out makes you log in and interact every day until it burns you out and makes you quit, but they hope that active period will milk a lot of money out of your pockets.
Protect Yoshi P and his team at all cost.
I have met some hardcore brainwashed WoW people that defend statements like that from the devs. It was mind blowing to me when I heard the amazingly condescending line "you think you want it, but you dont" in regards to wow classic and to have people say "he was right to say that"...
I was one of those people until about a year ago.
The copium ir real in WoW, those we play we know it.
Literally the Copium Elf from Captain Grimm's last two Machinimas.
To be fair though, Classic was only a temporary success. Once it hit and had time to mature, it's kinda... bleh. So much is fundamentally broken in Classic, we just never noticed it when it happened the first time.
Those brainwashed WoW people are what most would call "On life support via Copium"
Never played WoW and I am shocked by the contempt for the player base that these blizzard devs have...
We truly have been blessed by the SE devs and their passion for the game and the players
Well, some of them are taken out of context and anyone watching think they are that outright smug.
This is what you need to know about the WoW dev team to make an idea. There is a perpetual cycle they go through in each expansion and this is generalized to give you an idea. It goes like this:
-> during Closed beta they receive feedback that they ignore.
-> during Open beta they receive feedback that they ignore.
-> releases game by ignoring feedback.
-> Surprised Pikachu face, players dont like the changes and bleed subscriptions.
-> eventually implementing feedback (as if they came up with these ideas) but not to address the issues, just enough to bait subs.
This is heavily generalized. WoW players are sick of alot of things. The answer he gave when he got asked why do they nerf demonology was a sarcastic reply because the community before this interview were all pissed off at the nerfs and were all up in arms "is as if blizzard doesnt want us to play demonology". Nevertheless, they overhauled the spec to add a new class born out of demonology design, Demon Hunter.
They have a rockstar mentality. Everything is not their fault, we are there to bask in their creations. They do this over and over and over again and it is from this mutual hatred WoW devs and player base these answers are born. I am sick of WoW devs as much as the next guy. I play Samurai in FF14 right now, lvl 70 (right now). Most of Ions answers are taken out of context. His answers are always non-answers. Alot of lawyer talk.
I have no idea why I put up with the WoW dev team for so long. I am never going back.
WoW has been fucking us over for a long time. It’s good to see them grovel in desperation lmao. The shoe is on the other foot now, and it’s got dog 💩 on it.
at this point, even comparing them feels like an insult to SE team, imo..
I get you, but unfortunately the comparison has to be made. So many people, myself included, are so used to this BS that to see a different way of doing things is refreshing. It can open people’s eyes to other and better ways of doing things instead of tolerating the BS.
SE as a company is actually not any better than current blizzard. but ffxiv devs vs wow devs, then it is an insult to yoshi-p and his crew.
@@jessiedomingo4157 fair point.. since we had a clusterfuck of original ff14 disasterpiece..
@@AweHitero Yoshi was not part of that team. The two leads that created that disaster were removed. Yoshi then took over. A true blessing from the Gods.
@@SeldimSeen1 yup, I know the story..
I was bored of toxicity in playing competitive games (I played the same game for 9 frickin years) about 4 months ago and I’m looking for some chill MMO games. I’ve been searching and I remembered that my family told me about FFXIV which he played until now from release, back then I’m still skeptical with subs system in a game, then I started trying the free trial all the way until HW, just after I finished all HW MSQ, I straight up bought the complete edition and I think it was the best decision ever in all of my gaming experience.
Welcome! Glad you enjoyed it and if you like up to HW you'll love Shadowbringer
@@bigbay1159 I’ve done ShB too, and have tried savage raid too, only got BiS sets for SAM and MCH. For me ultimate is too overwhelming atm and still progging ucob, wml!
@@singgichi11 oh nice, I wasn't sure how far you had gotten but dang you've made great progress. And im in the same boat. I have the fights unlocked but lord knows Ultimate is its own beast but here to one day getting there! Cheers mate
@@bigbay1159 yeahh probably because I only interested in raids so I don’t really do other contents seriously unless solo PotD, and I found out that levelling in bozja is fun too. Good luck with your prog mate, soon we will get that legend title too!
I’ve been playing Lol since season 1, and recently picked up FFXIV because the free trial has so much content. I’m on HW right now, and yeah, what a great time.
a huge difference between a team that wants to earn respect by respecting the players, and a team that demands respect by disrespecting its players
And disrespecting the game itself as well. A lot of these questions just boil down to Ion just not giving a shit about minor things. Where as you can tell even small things weigh on Yoshi-P.
And the difference is that Yoshi-P knows that a little little things can add up to create a lot of problems. Ion hasn't seem to gotten the memo, despite that being one of the bigger problems with the game now. We've long past gotten to the point where a lot of minor little details have built up to the point that the game just feels half assed in so many areas.
@@Xynth22 oh hes got the memo, he just elected to ignore it
I have always called WOW the "Soul-stealing-game-of-doom" and I stand by it. I tried ONCE, 13 years ago, to play WOW, made it to lvl 5 and decided I would NEVER touch that game EVER again. I started FFIXV almost 5 years ago, and it's the first pay-to-play I ever gave a chance. I do not and will never once regret that decision. It's so worth it in so many ways, and a dev team that actually cares is a huge part of it. Granted, being that I'm autistic and struggle with change, once I get used to the changes made, I'm fine, and have no complaints (other than missing Flash). I love FFXIV, the story, the characters, the choices, the ability to be everything, mounts, minions, emotes, dances, event content... I love it all. And the community is far more friendly and accepting than any other gaming community I have ever been apart of or even witnessed from the sidelines. Granted, there are some bad apples, but as a whole, everything about FFXIV is far superior to WOW so much so that words cannot express the difference.
Holy crap! I've heard Blizzard always seems at odds with their player base, but I never saw it before now. They really do not respect or appreciate their player base.
Thats just the start of it lol
Bro you need to watch the UA-cam video of disguised toast talking about blizzard vs riot.
They literally treat their players/customers like a walking wallet and free labor.
that small clip wasnt even close.
did you guy know about Amaz (ex-Hearthstone streamer) case?
Back then in Hearthstone tournament 2014, one of the female player came out 6 years later and tweet about how she forced to go into hot tub with other (male) participant and Amaz happen to be one of the tournament organizer.
Blizzard, didn't listen Amaz side of story first, banned him for future tournament.
This make Amaz quit Hearthstone entirely after being one of the first and big streamers for Hearthstone since release.
Blizzard always treat its player and content creator like sh*t since beginning, they just get away with it back then.
they delayed shadowlands and it still wasn't worth playing, even with the recent patch that fixes alot of the stuff that SHOULD have been in at launch its still garbage. A minor delay for endwalker to be a polished gem that the players and devs can be proud of is acceptable in every way.
I feel like World of Warcraft Developers is taking the Bethesda route of game creation.
All the while, FFXIV is going on a different path to make games great by which meaning, they are doing what Blizzard Abandoned all those years ago.
Truest true
And it will be. I have had 5000 hours of perfect gaming. Yoshi would allow nothing less.
Ion HazExcuses has easily got to be the worst game director not just MMO director period in sheer numbers of players that have quit under his watch. This guy makes Smedley from Starwars Galaxies look like a genius.
Damn, I had forgotten all about Smedley, lol. I was a EQ2 & SWG player, lol.
People who have talked to Ian personally say he comes across as a great guy to be around. This does not translate into his work, unfortunately.
@@RocRolDis Yeah, even when Preach was ripping on him for his comments about RPG structures and story mechanics in his last video he went out of his way to make the point that Ion is a nice guy and fun to talk to.
I duno, Jay Wilson "You aren't playing right" nearly killed the diablo franchise outright. There's more people playing D2 than D3,and it was true even before the remaster released.
@@brunomarques7713 At this point, there’s probably more people playing Path Of Exile and Grim Dawn than Diablo 3.
When i saw yoship apologising and getting emotional for the delay, it’s extremely clear how hard he had been working for endwalker. He is a really genuine person after all, and his passion for the game is very clear.
One is human, the other is a robot.
Hey now, robots have standards. I'd say he's more of a self righteous rodent.
WoW, bringing a new level of contempt directed at players. And I felt that every second I played their toxic game, which, mercifully,, I left years ago.
People would call the wow community toxic for the way they react to delays and "apologies". No, they aren't toxic, they're just giving what they get because people like Ion Hazzikostas legitimately do not care if they upset you or let you down.
I felt worse for Yoshi P than I did that the expansion got delayed and I know if they did it, it was for everyone's benefit, not their own. I have only been playing 14 for four months and I have been blown away by the amount of love and care that went into the game and the community.
What class did you go with? Hope you keep enjoying the game and welcome aboard!
Same. It’s been about 3 or 4 months for me too. You can tell it was a labour of love and the community is so great. I get anxiety when I join groups cause WoW instilled that in me. But the player base is so good that is dissipates pretty fast. :)
@@bigbay1159 That is... hard to answer. My highest is red mage at 78 but I have put in 1100 hours in the 4 months so, it's probably easier to ask what I haven't played (monk, dancer, astro). Needless to say I love it and don't plan on going anywhere any time soon!
Yes, I used to think the same. I had played WoW until Wrath, quit, and tried again in Pandaria. I was so off put by the community I didn’t even last 2 weeks. I swore up and down that the community has just a toxic pit. I still believe that is true, but not because WoW players are inherently toxic; they are just reflecting the toxicity shown to them by the developers.
I know this is true, because once the WoW player quits and takes up 14, their toxicity seems to just melt away. I have been playing 14 since Heavensward, and I was worried that a deluge of WoW ‘refugees’ would destroy my community. Yet I was wrong, if anything they seem to be shocked by what I consider baseline FF14 courtesy. Like the 🌱 surprised our group was okay with them not knowing the content, or waiting for them to watch a cutscene. I see where that came from.
So I'm a FF14 legacy player. Meaning I've been around before during & after the change in leadership. When Yoshida was introduced as Yoshu-P. I refused to call a 40 yr old man by a nickname.
Then he broke down on stage and cried. I'll admit I was overcome with respect for Yoshi-P in that moment. Because good or bad. He's always front an center taking responsibility. Gotta respect that. And calling him by a silly nickname was & is the least I can do.
It's not a silly nickname. It's a respectful designation. The "P" acknowledges that he is a producer. If you look into the vocaloid scene, you'll notice that many composers go by a shorthand version of their surname with a "P" suffix attached.
@@KawaiiFive_O ok...? even if I did. Pretty sure I have every right to think it's a silly name.
You're so fixated on defending somebody you literally don't know. You're clearly ignoring the part where i say "I was overcome with respect".
Man I love people on the internet inability to juggle more than one opinion at a time.
Both make me cry, but in a totally different way..
I've never seen a direct comparison between the two men. Now that I have, I'm almost at a loss for words.
FF14 is by no means perfect, but it's far from the pile of maggot crap that WoW has become.
Well, yeah the game is not perfect, PVP is non-existant (I'm not a PvP player, I don't like it but for them yeah it must be hard) housing is hell, storage is limited but at least, the devs want to do things good, want to improve the game, learn from what didn't work and improve it (Eureka is the best exemple, Bozja too) and only this point give FFXIV more credits than many others games, and even more the devs play on regular account like any other players so they can relate things the playerbase say and have a true idea of what the game is really
This guy spends more time adding additional polish and care to his game, and looks absolutely devastated when he needs to apologise to the fans, meanwhile, the Blizzard devs look disgruntled that they even need to talk to us.
You can tell Yoshida genuinely cares. It's honestly very moving to see such passion; it gives me chills.
Yoshi getting upset that he can't release the game on time with a high standard
Vs lol just release it, people will buy it yolo
This mentality is why EA exists in the way it does and why Cyberpunk 2077 is shite.
@@TheKalnu bro what? they kept trying to delay cyber and kept getting shit for it. You think if Bliz delayed shadowlands any longer than they did people would kiss their ass like they are yoshi? They cut a whole raid out to keep up, you think if wow did that they would be met with
@@tbone8644 I meant the mentality of "just release it and they will buy it" leads into poor quality and badly made games. It has nothing to do with the delays.
Blizzard used to be the "its done when its done" company, that changed over the years once they started the march into WoW Cataclysm.
@@frostmagemarii I am aware, and it is in part because of the "release it and people will buy it" mentality.
After all these Ion clips, I marvel that he's still got his job.
This was just a small selection… I have more.
@@Professor_Popo pls post it
@@filipepatcheco Working on another video! Should be up tomorrow! Thank you for watching!
@@Professor_Popo if you have more clips you should play them past the part where Ion makes an awkward joke but then genuinely attempts to explain the reasoning behind some gameplay choices. While i dont always agree with his explanation i do think the clips youve chosen have all been of obvious jokes and an attempt to make light of a situation. I also find it absolutely astonishing that Ion still has his current position as game director but that aside i feel like youre being kinda dishonest with your choice of "apology" clips. All of these are the jokes ion makes to break the ice before talking about a very volatile topic within the wow community.
The sad truth is as long as the game is making more net revenue from fewer subscribers, Actiblizz doesn't see a problem. If they are making tons of money, how can they be wrong? Don't get me wrong, I'm not at all defending the current dev team or Blizzard. As long as people keep throwing money at Blizzard, there's no incentive for Blizzard to change any philosophy about anything they are working on.
What is probably going to happen long term (think several years going forward) is WoW needs to continue hemorrhaging subs, so net revenue goes down year over year. Then you "might" see a more humble and appreciative dev team.
Bro that demonology's answer was like, wtf? I've never seen any dev response to a balancing question with "we don't want you to play it".
This is, like, the _least_ healthy approach to your game balance you can have
Yoshi and Gang: Cares about customer, desires to give a good experience, takes accountability, works towards a better future
Ian and Gang: Antagonistic to consumer, desires money, no accountability because it's the gamers fault, works towards next paycheck
Yoshi-P: I humbly apologize for the delay... *bows*
WoLs around the world: My friend - you bow to no one. *sends hugs and love*
This is basically my reaction
Awwwww *a single tear drop*
This make me love the FFXIV team so much and appreciate their work. You can totally feel that the emotion Yoshi-P yesterday was legit. And as someone who used to play wow for 11 years and totally forgot that.... it's so sad that it's depressing
I havs started playing FFXIV this year months ago and really enjoyed it. In that tiem I realized how the devs really do care about the fanbase and are very passionate about it! This is what game developers should be...take the example that FFXIV devs are and be passionate about the game and the fanbase!
They always seemed to act so light-hearted in the WoW interviews while they crushed our dreams of a good game.
apparantly they are delaying it for QA and server issues which i am fine with, i mean would you guys want another rauhbahn ultimate from stormblood?
I have my Rauhbahn Ultimate shirt here ^^ and i like the memories ... a looong line everyone in the line are happy talk about everyting ... waitig for the Fight ^^
You should compare their FF Fan Fest to Blizzcon. Huge difference there, too. I've been playing FFXIV for almost a year now, and watching parts of the Fan Fest showed me how passionate the dev team is about their game and making their playerbase happy. YoshiP even dressed up in cosplay for the occasion and Soken's LAHEE performance had me laughing so hard.
Imagine creating a class in your game, waste shit ton of man hours to do so for your producer say "yeah we dont want you to play this lol"
Seriously. So damn rude!
Its bad enough that you're shitting on your players who like that class, but its even worse that it means you're shitting on your own developers who put time and labor into that class.
Better delete the spec then...why keeping a spec if devs dont want it to be played? I don't get it...
that was a fucking joke man come on lol you can go watch the rest of Q&A
Yeah I was a ret pally during vanilla, I know
I remember back in MoP I had an issue with my account. I got in contact with an actual Blizzard support guy. He was super cool and everything and managed to resolve my issue in a few minutes. Nowadays even the automated system doesn't work as its intended.
At this point is not about the game, is about the culture.
And respect of your player base.
Being a player from FFXIV 1.0 and seeing Yoichi Wada at Square Enix issue an apology for the state of the game back then, and then seeing Yoshi-P have to apologize for the game being received so well upon ARR launch and feeling bad for not having had enough server capacity and such was so crazy at the time, but now seeing that almost nobody has even brought the formal apology Wada issued back then up now is so amazing to me- this dev team has garnered so much trust and respect from its community over the last decade that the game having been considered one of the worst MMOs of all time isn't even a fleck on its record at this point. I love Business Division 3 so much
1.0 being as bad as it was is not a blemish on FFXIV's legacy.. it's a testament to just how devoted these developers are to preserve the legacy of the FF brand.
add this to the list of reasons I'm never returning to WoW.
Even when confronting Blizzard with hard math, they always just rebuke with "well, we have info that you don't have. So you're math is wrong."
We showed them thousands of Warcraft Logs. We had metrics but we were still wrong. Failing specs bad covenants. Their math was always right We were always wrong. It's astonishing how long I stayed!
Haven't pre ordered EW yet. Just did it after this apology.
The way he reacted I expected Endwalker to be canceled outright. PSA early access for pre orders is December 3
i feel so bad for Yoshi, he is so visibly upset even tho he is trying his best all.the.frigging.time. along with the devs. I hope he knows what a special potato he is to all of the XIV-fandom, he really really is. I have nothing but admiration and respect for him.
For real he is the best
This shows how much passion both companies have for their product and how much they care about their playerbase.
It's so absurd to look back on WoW with eyes no longer emotionally attached to it, seeing how ridiculously fucking disrespectful Ion is to the playerbase.
I quit in Legion, shoulda quit sooner. The game died as was predicted with this behavior. Glad so many other people's eyes are finally open to it now too
The people still clinging on to it think he's just being playfully sassy but it's kind of just him being disrespectful and dismissive.
quit sooner you say?
I shode have never come back to that game after i joind back in Legion i have missed so mutch good stuff in FFXIV and i regret it
I was very emotionally attached to all of my WoW characters, that's what made it hard to leave but now I'm happy I did.
The respect for the communities is just night and day.
I always heard from FFXIV players that YoshiP is very passionate of trying to make FFXIV a great MMORPG experience, but damn, you can actually see his anguish and treats this delay as a failure to the FF14 community. I'm guessing this was a decision from the higher-ups. But man, YoshiP really takes this seriously.
The delay was his own making to do quality assurance for Endwalker, thats why he was so sorry, since he said it was mostly his own selfishness and couldn’t contain his desire to further improve Endwalker‘s quality.
YoshiP is a treasure. Ion is an embarrassment.
Ion is so damn arrogant. I don't think I've seen the man humble himself before his game's playerbase even once. Even in the recent council announcement, he looks genuinely bitter about the whole thing.
It is a PR Move to brow-beat the players into submission. lol
@@ArmageddonEvil
And they love every bit of punishment that's being handed to them in a silver platter. No wonder WoW community is toxic, due to how Blizzard fosters it. It all make sense now.
@@Xport9 Even though, now they want to change but it's too little too late. I feel like all the promises to change how toxic the game is, will only, in the end, backfire harder than how hard it has been to control them now.
Since their approach is probably more of a hammer than a soft touch aka their detoxifying rules will be Draconian Laws, that will even ban people who aren't like most of the super toxic people. Aka like what goes on in League of Legends. They will literally follow League's examples over other games. lol
WOW employee: Sir, we discovered some game breaking bugs, we will need about a month to fix
Blizzard: oh yeah? release the game in 2 weeks.
WoW employee: but i said we need a mo-
Blizzard: oh, and reskin a mount and but it in the store
FF employee: Sir, we discovered some game breaking bugs, we will need about a month to fix
SquareEnix: Ok
Now I have enough time to get TWO JACKETS
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I don't even play ffxiv any more but my heart can't handle this wholesomeness!
I have preordered endwalker collectors edition just to show support, I have no intentions of even playing it.
@@MJay_ not all heroes wear capes
Humility and vulnerability, true marks of great leadership.
While blizzard calls me an a-hole for no apparent reason
Can't wait to see what Yoshi P has in store for us in FF16. Awesome guy, obviously love what he does and cares about the people who play his work.
I don’t really mind yoshi delayed the expansion because previous delayed was worth the wait. Wow on the other I rather not spend a dime because everything was rushed for no reason.
even when they delay, wow still feels rushed out the door.
Recent WoW releases have just been beta testing that we paid for! Lol.
@@BurningFreesias
Even with the PTR feedback, they still negated it, and just release the product half-assed.
@@Xport9 Yep! And they've recently admitted as much!
What really made me realize just how committed they've been to FFXIV was when a buddy of mine whose been playing this whole time (I've been off and on) showed me data on all the damage classes stacked against each other and the difference between the highest and lowest was something like barely 10%.
That's actually really incredible balance considering what other games achieve with similar or even far fewer classes within the same role.
It's amazing what can happen when you don't base balance around: "We see players enjoying this class too much and we want that to stop."
Blizzard are experts at the non-apology.
Or backwards insults to their player base, that got them to the 12 million subscriber numbers. I feel like when Ion took over they always wanted to *get* rid of saying what the actual subscriber count is because the old guard's ideas are stupid or something, 'What's that FUN in my Boosting World of Warcraft game?'
Edit: Oh wait, he said that in a Venture Beat Interview literally, word for word about the old guard's ideas are stupid. lol
Man, I can't be mad at the man, it's clear as day he feels the frustration we feel with the delay and then some
I always disliked Ion even from the very get-go simply because of how he treated the players in these Q&As. His arrogance and contempt just dripped from every word he said, and he was always so disrespectful to the playerbase. Go figure that it bled into his design philosophies and the game quickly ran itself into the ground, which is really too bad.
He was pretty disrespectful to Preach in that interview when he basically said, 'Conduit Energy is STAYING!'
Thanks, the end is giving me chills and making me tear up. Yoshi-P! ❤️
real men cry and apologize
Accountability and responsibility leads to wonderous things.
Ion's videos weren't exatcly apologies but I get the what you were trying to say.
Have you ever seen Ion actually give an apology beyond a written letter?
Well there is also no actual apology of Blizzard anywhere to be found. The most we ever got were non-apologies
@@Kalecism "sorry that you're an idiot and can't understand our plan for the game. no, we're not changing things (until x.3). get over it and buy the 6-month sub."
That's the point, he never actually apologizes, ever. Even if he does say sorry he will add a "but" to it, making the apology seems empty.
@@badmodem That's what I was expecting to see, final fantasy devs crying on one hand, WoW devs writing a letter on the other. The only time I saw blizz devs apoligizing was when the lawsuit thing happened, but to make up for that they decide to double down on the woke bulshit instead of making a better game, showing that the only thing they care about is looking good and feeding whales with mounts and pets. No king rules forever indeed.
Seeing Sensei, Yoshi P cry breaks my heart.. Please don't cry Sensei, it's okay. 🥺
You ever seen blizzard & an apology in the same room?
They're like two magnets with the same polarity.
Yo im so glad I started playing ffxiv. It makes me feel as if I’m a part of this community who holds this game so dear to their hearts. And to know that the developers have that mutual feeling as well is really cool.