I love analog dials. I hate the design language on thIs bike’s dials. I am not a fan of digital displays. None of my bikes have digital displays. I intentionally avoid them.
I am a middle-aged new rider who has only been riding a month or two. I bought this as my first bike and I am still learning to ride it. I love the low center of weight and slow maneuvers are very easy. I haven't had the bike over 35 mph but so far it doesn't seem overwhelming. My lack of experience as a rider and the fact this is y first street bike may be the reason I am not seeing what you see,. BTW: I bought a new 2022 in march that is the 50th anniversary model. It's Just gorgeous.
I’m a sixty year who has recently returned to biking,...I’m due to get a 50th anniversary model in a few days, I think it’ll do for me. Can’t wait, & will be riding alongside my sons who have XSR 700 & 900
I recently picked up a new one from a dealer who was desperate to get rid of it. Under $6k US. It had been on his showroom floor for 2 years. Mine smoothes out over 5000 RPM and under 4000 RPM. I love the Speedo and tach gauges and the details between the gauges, mpg, ave mpg, trip a, trip b, range, Odo, temp, gas , clock. Time for a ride see ya.
1985 was the last time I rode a bike. I have been looking at a new bike for two years. Took the Z650RS out for a test ride fell in love with it immediately. In my test ride the only thing I struggled with were with roundabouts and the indicators. I had no trouble with the breaks or gearing even though its my first ride in 39 years. I took it up to 120 kiolmetres per hour. So I went straight back to the shop and brought it for my 72nd birthday. Only used to ride 400cc Hondas and purchased 3 in one year
As someone who came up riding in the early 2000s I feel like this bike was made to appeal to me and older riders. The bike I learned to ride on was an old Suzuki that was of this particular style, although I can’t remember the model. I *think* I might prefer a four cylinder but given most of my time has been spent on four cylinder bikes the twin is appealing in a “I’d like to try something different” way even if the engine layout is kind of regarded as a beginner bike engine. I haven’t ridden in over ten years but this machine really speaks to me and the thought of taking a day or weekend trip up to the mountains sounds really nice. Maybe holding onto my Aerostich Roadcrafter will have been a good idea after all.
I have to disagree with you re the brakes. I find them very functional. After my 2014 V7 Moto Guzzi which skidded out on the rear brake I'm much more confident with these. I don't have trouble re vibration as I'm mostly doing 100-120 Km/Hr in 6th ~about 5,000 rpm. I looked at the MT07: too fugly especially the colours and tank. The RE650 cheaper & much heavier. The Suzuki 650 Vstrom too heavy and too tall. The Honda CB500X was >9 months delivery and 471cc although a nice all-round bike for NSW country roads. The Triumph 660 - not that ergonomic. CFMOTO cheaper but much heavier. Bought the green 2023 Z650RS and very happy with it. I'm 72yrs and love the 187Kg wet weight. Thanks for an interesting video. RayK 🇭🇲 🦘 🏍 🚲 🇬🇷
Thanks for the owner’s perspective and how you arrived at your choice. The XSR700 or the Tracer 7 didn’t tickle your fancy? I agree with you on all of the bikes you mentioned. The CB500X remains one of the best bikes available (when they’re available). I’d probably have waited. Ride safe. Enjoy your bike.
@@DickWhistles the XSR was as hard to get in OZ as the CB500X and I think it's only an half hearted attempt at retro. The Tracer 7 puts itself in a much higher category. As with my V7 I wanted a retro style bike. In 2014 when I bought it it was a choice of 3. 1. W800 Paint was Purple at the time = horrible and dearest 2. 850 Bonneville very heavy but the cheapest 3. V7 seemed to fit my size ergonomically and was the best price. I still miss it's engine breaking but not it's lack of riderability. The Z650RS is a dream in the Twisties. Thanks Ray
The Tracer 7 was more than the MT07? Same platform. Are you thinking I meant the T7 (Tenere)? Yeah, Bonnies are so freaking heavy. Why is that? I can't reconcile it on mine. Of all of my bike, she is the worst to move around. Glad you found something you enjoy. Ride safe.
I’ve got one of these and done over 4000 miles on it in the last year commuting, touring and social riding and never experienced any of of what you said in your short ride other than it can be a bit viby but no where as dramatic as you say. You’re probably better off with a car👍
had mine a few months now. Looks good, easy to ride, and I love the bike. I think it is good for going on from a 125, or maybe going down from a bigger bike if you want a lighter bike. There is however something strange about the gearing. I am in top at about 45mph, and have to increase the revs significantly to stay on 60, which is where the vibration starts. It is like you go to change up and you then realize your in 6th gear already. It is good if your happy to stay at about 50mph. It is certainly not built for speed.
Try the 900RS. It still has odd gearing (I changed a sprocket on mine) but is a much more satisfying bike. I never thought I would buy a Kawasaki, but I did.
I think for the price you'll be able to pick up a used one in a year or two, it's a bike worthy of uprgarding the suspension and brakes to make the most of the motor. I think the ergos and looks will appeal to a lot of older riders, or folk that were weened on 80's Japanese bikes before the 400cc sports era. Metallic green, gold mags...what's not to like? Just needs some tweeks to make this a really fun back roader, that could also be your daily for work....
I looked at this bike for nearly a year and came very close to making it my first bike. However, my heart was stolen by a Street Twin that popped up for sale near me and I bought THAT 3 weeks ago. I still wonder if I made a mistake, especially after watching your video. I love the design of the Z650RS, and im sure its a bit faster than my Street Twin, but boy does the ST look sexy itself, and have a crazy good exhaust note. Great video mate.
I've ridden both and would say you did well for getting the Street Twin, I'm guessing most likely the 900 but didn't say which year, I know 2019 they redesigned them slightly and I believe the biggest difference was a better front brake. The Triumph's in general are very refined, they are just smoother and typically the throttle response is 2nd to none. The 900's just have way more usable power throughout the rpm range, as the old saying goes "there is no replacement for displacement." The 650 has enough power in that it's just enough, it's definitely no slouch either and will be faster than most anything else out on the road. No offense to Kawasaki but I feel the z650rs is a bit overpriced by at least $500-$1k dollars for what you are actually getting, you can buy the z900 model for really not that much extra but then it's not a retro classic either.
On weight to power ratio both Z650 rs and ST900 should be the same however Z has 6 speed gear box compared to 5 speed of ST 900 and more comfortable riding position, isn't it ? Asking because I am in a similar dilemma between these two, I am also looking for something which can do 700 kms day ride
Refreshingly honest review. Thank you= I've watched a ton of reviews on this bike, cause I like the look and they were all more or less like reading the marketing materials. No one mentioned the vibrations being an issue.
This is my 3rd 650. Previously I had a Honda NX650 (single cylinder) And then a Suzuki Sv650 (2003 model). This is far more comfortable than than the SV was in terms of position. If the reviewer thinks this bike has a vibration issue they must not have ridden the Sv snd definitely never a single cylinder Honda or Yamaha 80’s Paris-Dakar style bike. Does it vibrate more than a 4? Sure… but I can’t believe he’s getting numb, might want to adjust the controls for ideal position.
What was the ODO reading on the bike? The engine vibrations are definitely an issue prior to the first oil change. After the first oil change to a semi-synthetic oil blend, the vibrations reduced considerably. I had this bike before I sold it for it's bigger brother, the Z900RS. Same thing with the Z900RS, except the gears were also clunkier prior to the first oil change. Your other point about the bike disappearing under you is the most apt statement for this bike. I just didn't know what I was riding as well. Also agreed that this bike is a bit peppy for a beginner bike; this was the bike I came back on after 12 years away and it was peppy!
I urge you to try a Kawi Z900 abs. Not the RS, the regular model. It looks like a transformer but is a real peach to ride. Very good around town manners and super smooth. Smoother than the FZ6 I think.
this bike is very nice my mate does have on and i did ride it a couple of times but like you said at 4500 ,5000 in 6 it feels like you need to shift because of the vibes , for this the reason i ride a RE interceptor 650 (love it )
My 2015 Versys 650 had a rubber mounted engine to get rid of the vibration from the 2014 and earlier version. Does anyone know if this is rubber mounted?
I saw this bike at Daytona Bike Week on display at the event this past year. It stopped me in my tracks. Now I was looking for the new 2022 H2 SX and not even interested in this bike but wow that green and gold on this proportionally correct shape of our beloved old memories of that XS650. Yup my first street bike I ever rode. So I completely understand the draw you feel. I just sold my classic styled bike a 900 Triumph Scrambler. It taught me to never buy a bike purely on looks. I ended up getting the new XSR 900 for my naked bike. It’s no classic but wow what a bike! You need to review one.
Not the 2022. The original. I’ll see if I can get my hands on a new one. Other than the seat, which I think is ugly, I didn’t think much had changed. I’ll look closer. Thanks for the suggestion.
@@rubo1964 I come from a road racing background and remember the FZ400s I raced against. (I was on an EX500 that was beaten with an ugly stick) The FZ had a look if you know what I mean, and the XSR woke that memory up. The KZ900 has a look as well captured by the tail section of the modern version. It looks amazing and that blue version this past year is a winner. But my racing background wants something a bit more of a hooligan. Something that is a KTM Duke 890 without the 890s horrible looks. To me the XSR in blue with the gold wheels and FZR tank hit that sweet spot. Yes it’s a street fighter look and not a classic replica. But to me it’s a memory of those beat up racers in my past. The “look” works for me. The Kawi has a look but Its more sedate in my eye. The XSR leans towards a more performance side of the coin. That is my preference right now. Still that KZ look is really sweet. Also see my recent video on my channel. It answers the call to hoon very well indeed.
Good review (as always). Haven't ridden a Z650RS but did own a 2018 Z900RS for two years. Loved the big machine, but changed it two years ago. It's a nostalgia bike and for longer distance now we expect better weather protection and other modern things. That said I have an Interceptor and love that for the purpose I bought that. Also have a DL650 for longer trips so your comparisons with the SV are interesting. I think the Z650RS would need kitting better for long trips. I do lament the 80s/90s when you could far more easily add a full or 3/4 fairing rather than choose when buying and no option to summer/winterise. Your comments on the headlamp and console remind me how most Japanese bikes of the period appeared to have lost their headlamp when you looked down., tucked under the twin dial nacelle. Very different to European machines. Personally, I'm perfectly happy with the dials (well, was on the Z900RS). I can appreciate the 650 could sell as well as the Interceptor in some regions, but I feel overall sales of the REs - when you consider the home market - will only ever be beaten by the Chinese machines now. It sounds like the Kawasaki spirit, much like I found a Tracer compared to some other compared machines, wants to just push ahead. Like the little terrier yapping at the heels to chase the ball all the time even when you want take a more leisurely stroll. Look forward to finally trying one, although reports, including yours, of vibes, versus my Interceptor (and the DL for that matter) don't sound promising.
Well said. I appreciate your perspective. I am curious about your positive experience with Chinese bikes that make you think they’d outsell the Kawasaki. I also appreciate your apparent love of the middle weight. Thanks for your comment.
@@DickWhistles The reference to Chinese sales is based purely, I think, on sheer volume and market penetration of these emerging machines. Much as they've done with all products and, as I write here on a Chinese built laptop, from a once market leading American brand, much as mirrors the electronics industry - momentarily dominated by the Japanese one. To a large extent the volume is already there, apparently, in the home market and I've seen (alleged) reports that China builds more two-wheelers in their home market than all other manufacturers in the world, put together'. We saw Japan rise to outsell the Europeans back in the 1970/80s and the big four come to decimate the likes of Triumph back then. Without moving to Asian manufacturing I doubt Triumph (or RE) would be here today. Now we're seeing the Chinese begin to do this many times over and when we look at the country of manufacture in today's market, with many Chinese machines already using Japanese engines under license, placing Chinese engines and sub-assemblies into non-Chinese bikes, or making complete bikes for the once proud European brand (i.e. Bennelli, now KTM, even BMW, and others) then Chinese branded bikes look set to outsell RE, and certainly the likes of Kawasaki. Add all the other considerations, we have Honda making complete machines like the CB500X/NC500X in Thailand and it's merely labelling to call that a Japanese bike. This may all be affected by (or affect?) the apparent move back to the middle capacity ranges - itself affected by emissions, speed restrictions, and other social factors. As we no longer crave the unmanageable power, super heavy super-cc machines, the Chinese middle-weights with their attractive and very price conscious packages pull us from the must have Japanese offerings. I guess, if were talking specifically of the prospect of Kawasaki selling more Z650RS than the Interceptor 650 - is that possible? The Inty sells, apparently, in such massive volumes in it's home market as well as world wide, I can't quite see that, but maybe. The Chinese on the other hand, with a particular model - a similar CF Moto model - are likely to establish a sales profile that could outsell both, especially including their own home market? To date the Chinese have concentrated on adventure styles and, leaving any political prejudices out of the equation, some of these are now heavily threatening the likes of KTM (almost Chinese now), Suzuki (I see China now makes a bike with the VStrom 650 engine under licence), the Honda NC750, and many others, the quality is rising in a tempting, money saving, fully kitted out package. A Japanese copy - arguably better in a cost conscious world. Isn't that what Japan did to the European market 50 years or so ago. Apply this to a 'retro' styled Chinese machine similar to the Z650RS, or Interceptor, and whilst the Interceptor might still sell volumes in it's home region, the Z may struggle. Neither of those will be the volume sellers. The knife edge, of course, is where is fossil fuel in any of this! I don't know, I'm rambling around but I feel there is a move emerging.
I agree with your estimation about market penetration, but the key lies in your comment about “rising quality”. The Japanese brands of the 70’s and 80’s were of a higher quality out of the gate. That was what killed the Brit and Euro brands. Thai manufacturer under Japanese QC is still far superior to Chinese offerings. We own a Chinese Suzuki Clone and we can kill it. But every other Chinese specific brand I’ve tried bike or automobile have been dismal! I am not patient enough to wait for them to improve. First impressions mean a lot. That being said, the Korean auto brands that were economy or appliance vehicle in the 80’s and 90’s have now risen to the quality of Honda. So time will tell. Thanks for your time and thoughts.
@@DickWhistles Hmm! I'd question 'out of the gate'. The initial Japanese quality was good on the face of things but we still lived through engine lacquers that, initially good, were more to mask the castings and started to crack, flake and do all sorts of dreadful things after a couple of seasons. Chrome which appeared better than any British, but actually failed equally quickly to the engine covering. Seats where the foam just 'dissolved' in two years...In fairness, the Japanese (as always) learned rapidly. Yes, Thai construction is now as good as the Japanese. The Honda CB500X, now NC500X, completely made there I believe, is visibly superior in quality and finish alongside the Japanese assembled NC750X, for example. But, looking at the speed of development and QC on the Chinese machines, that Japanese storm of the 80s is happening rapidly in China now. If you were looking at either of those Honda models, or a Versys 650, you'd be crazy not to look at this years CFMoto and similar. Next year?..could be a no brainer! Especially as we compare in the 'mid' range capacity. The large Japanese models are still well finished (although I do think some comments from other reviewers still have rose tinted specs on, and there are eroding standards against the competition). The mid range are far more down to a budget, and using the DL650 I mentioned as an example, the latest models are not as well finished, imho, as ten years ago, and the VStrom has always been a well appointed machine. Other mid-range machines lack the adjustable suspensions and features now appearing as standard on the Chinese machines this year, if not last year. Rapid value added.
I do not know the max load weight for this bike. I am sure you can find that information on the manufacturer website under their specifications. Other than the Kawasaki 400 and the Ninja 250. I don’t think any bike with a Kawasaki engine should be considered a beginners bike. This bike specifically punches above its weight. That means it revs incredibly high to produce the power it needs to exceed the performance necessary to compete with other more popular bikes in this class. Kawasaki engines always feel high strung and hyperactive. It’s geometry and proportions, make it more manageable than other Kawasakis, however, it’s modest size means that the engine is probably a dash too powerful for the chassis. I would say this is probably a good second motorcycle. Thanks for your comment. Ride safe.
Clearly this is the first video of mine you’ve ever seen… Have a look at my other videos and see if you still think a Harley would suit. Thanks for your comment.
I am an analog guy in a digital world. I love analog dials and gauges. Digital stinks. I'll take steam gauges any day. But, the 650 dashboard is pretty nice. Yeah, even if some of it is Digital.
I swear my klx250 runs and shifts like u describe the 650! 6500rpm and bam u r thru the gears and yes I forget I'm in 6th also. Wind it up,take some load off the gearbox and up u go. U barely need a full pull on the clutch. Don't use it for most downshifting. That's how my 07' seems to shift the best. Coming up outa 1st is the toughest to catch its kinda short. 5-6k is a bit rough,6-7k or so is pretty smooth, above 7500 is when it starts to feel like maybe theres an angry determined hornet underneath you and u need to make sure it stays that way. Enough torque at low revs to cruise Kinda buzzy as u break thru to the shift zone Then a small smooth spot just below the angry hornet Wake that thing up and hang on to it!
I have to disagree with you completely unfortunately. The Z650rs was a cracking first bike and now ive jumped to the Z900rs which to me is even better. Stacks of torque, brakes worked superb on both, never noticed any vibes clocks are clear and easy to read. I never felt the z650 was a bike I'd rev particularly hard with being a twin compared to the 4 cylinder Z900rs. In my opinion anyways lol
Great review and help me decide maybe this is not the right bike for me. Might still ride one but some of the things you mentioned summed up a feeling I had on the design of the bike not being the type of naked bike i was after. I guess given it's just a naked ninja with a few other minor changes like handlebar high and position is part of why it's a rev happy bike plus the shorter wheelbase given its based on a sports bike. Also why the front end seems to drop away too much because the front end normally has the full fairings on the ninja version. Also that rear swing arm design that might look right on the Ninja looks terrible on the naked bike as it's all wrong for a naked bike look. I feel Kawasaki wanted a naked and did as little as possible to get one when taking the ninja 650 and turning it into a naked bike. Shame as I love the retro Green colour version. One thing I am wondering though is on those narrow road and the two trucks you gave way too. What happens when someone in another truck or car comes into the same situation? Are there untold rules on who has to give way and in many case reverse up into a side space to make room? I'm in australia so we don't tend to have those tiny back roads like in the UK.
On Welsh roads, it is a crap shoot. It pretty much depends on who is closer to the nearest pull off, and how confident each driver is with reversing around a bend or up hill. There is the occasional row. You always give way to tractors... No laws dictating behaviour though.
Hey have you ridden the 900 rs thinking of which one to buy if the 650 has vibes it’s not for me I currently have the Honda cb500x looking for a replacement lower seat height etc
I have not ridden it for a significant enough time to give a comprehensive review. I will say it was cumbersome. Its 33 inch seat height is a a dash higher than your CB500X. The Honda’s 199kg weight is also lighter than the Kawasaki’s 215... Also, why do you want to replace one of the best bikes ever made? What year is your CB?
I had a CB500F when they first came out and currently own a Z900RS. To me, they have more in common than one would expect. Both feel light and flickable but the RS has a much more flexible engine with more grunt, so you're not rowing through the gears like you have to on the CB. The RS is also gorgeous where the CB is a bit faceless. I doubt you would be disappointed if you got a Z900RS.
@@MarmiteTheDog hi Jason yeah I know never owned a 4 cylinder bike and they are becoming rare.I am hopeless on even gravel tracks on the cb but with soft luggage it’s great for touring.we have a holiday booked this year and we are hiring the new 2023 cb with improved brakes and suspension just to see if I stay with Honda and upgrade to the newer model.
Nice one Dick, like a lot of people have mentioned I can't get past the look of that radiator, the only thing Kawasaki got right for me is the colour.....
The new RE is a peppier engine than an old V-Star. For less money you could get a V-Star 1100 and it is better. I should say, I am not a fan of the Interceptor.
@@DickWhistles yes , the v star 1100 would be my choice, but im limited to 650 maximum for my first bike here in Australia. Let me ask you, Do you prefer the T120 bonneville or a used low km V star 1100 ? Appreciate your advice, great videos !
If it's your first bike, I'd recommend the V-Star. It is tame. The T120 is a superior bike, but it is a lot of bike. I actually don't think the 1200 engine is very well suited for that frame. It would cost more, be worth more, be more bike for a new rider to handle, but one you'd probably not want to replace after a few years of riding. The V-Star has a special place in my heart. It is not a collector's item. It will not hold its value and you may feel that you need to upgrade in the future. All of that being said, we still own ours and enjoy riding it 22 years and dozens of bikes later. Hope that helps. Thanks for watching.
the ABS is not the newest generation of Bosch... unfortunately... the rear ABS feels for me as if it is engaging way too early (got better after a few 1000 km though)... The front brakes are really good and sharp in my opinion. Have the exact same bike and got close to 10.000 km on it last year. Still considering upgrading to the 900 rs as I really like 4 cylinder engines. Fora 650 - as you said - it runs really good and feels like a sport bike, at least a bit. By the way, on normal roads (not the Autobahn) I tend to just use the 5th gear, the 6th is more of an overdrive gear for higher speeds on the autobahn.
Any thoughts on the Kawasaki W800? It’s an outlier on the current Kawasaki lineup and a true throwback to classic ‘60s and ‘70s bikes. I’m currently cross-shopping it against the RE Interceptor 650 and the Triumph Bonneville T100 / Speed Twin 900. Looking for a reliable low maintenance bike that still captures that classic fun factor. Something that can be a dependable rider since my Yamaha XS650 will be a long term project to make road worthy.
I like the look of the W. Don’t know how committed Kawasaki is to them. They come and go over here. The 650 was interesting, but has since gone. Can’t ever find an example to demo. It does turn the head as it goes by. Don’t know how I feel about pushrod engines these days.
@@DickWhistles Fair enough on Kawasaki's level of commitment. The bike's place in the market seems to be squeezed out between the RE Interceptor and the Triumph Bonneville. But it may be more compelling than you think. The W800 actually IS the W650. Kawasaki slightly bored and stroked the engine when they converted the bike to fuel injection. Otherwise, they're basically the same bike. And the engine is a single overhead cam and not a pushrod. I had the same reaction the first time I saw it. What looks like a pushrod is actually a bevel gear that turns the camshaft instead of a timing chain. There's a fun review here: ua-cam.com/video/RSE73I4LXe4/v-deo.html In any case, thanks for your great rides and reviews. They're great fun. Thanks to you I discovered the Yamaha XS line when I was otherwise moving towards a Honda four of the same era. Can't wait to get my XS working again. Great fun. And I'm looking forward to see your ride and reaction to your BMW R1200C. The one I had was the only cruiser I've ever owned. Still regret selling it. An under appreciated gem.
I own a W800 and made about 120 000 kms on it. It is extremely reliable, extremely well made and extremely easy/accessible to maintain. Valve adjustment, in particular, is so easy - it's basically a pleasure. To me it is also very comfortable in terms of ergonomics. The engine is very torquey but within a rather narrow range. It's great around town and on the twisty roads but almost inadequate at highway speeds. It's very frugal (consistently below 4l/100km). The engine vibrates but at a low frequency which doesn't cause tingling or numbness (to me, at least). I've had no issues withe engine whatsoever, it doesn't overheat even in extreme conditions and it doesn't burn or leak oil. That said, it's quite heavy and the suspension is rather wallowy. The suspension travel is short and the bike is quite low. It is not particularly nimble either. Because of tyre sizes you have a somewhat limited choice and you will probably pay a bit more.
@@taikoplayer1223 interesting about the W. I will try and find one. Can’t wait to get in the Beemer. Weather and other commitments have kept us a garage queen. Thanks again for your comments.
Nice review, Dick! Totally agree on the 650 sweet spot… or 660 in my case 😆 Seems a bit of a mixed bag, this one. Agree with the other commenter re the Interceptor with the S&S pipes; try one! (I miss mine, but love my Tiger 660 more) Any plans to review the Hunter 350 in this vein? Cheers!
What, a bunch of Gen Z'ers zipping around town taking selfies not your thing? :) I do think it would make a nice "Sunday afternoon" rider... looking forward to your thoughts!! Cheers.
You’ll be hard pressed to find reviewers pointing out the negatives on a bike, they risk not being invited to demo new bikes, have long loans or be invites to manufacturer events. Watch more of my videos, you’ll learn a lot. Thanks for your comment.
I can't get past the radiator and radiator cap on the Kawi 650. If you ride an Interceptor again, I would try to find one with aftermarket silencers. The sound of the air cooled twin alone is convincing.
Do aftermarket silencers fix the poor positioning of the foot pegs? I’ll see if I can find one. As for the engine, I’ll try the new Super Meteor as well and see if I have the same impressions. Thanks for your comment.
I bought one after owning a beloved Bandit12 for 18years,. It turned me into a 16 year old until I had a stern word with myself, people seem to equate it with the Interceptor but it's from another place totally, but of course you get fewer old duffers cooing over it when parked, which is good for a slight misanthrope.Thanks for a honest review
Love your way of reviewing bikes... But when you compare the lack of love for the Kawasakis to lack of love for Van Halen music you make me realize that we have a lot more in common than I ever thought. That said I love the W800 though :)
4500RPM 55MPH looking for 6th gear? That would drive me nuts hate that imagine going 75 on highway in US and getting all buzzed up.Problem is difference of Z900rs is only few k's and I rather get the Z900Rs so I dont have to get bored on 650 or get annoyed on high RPM engine.
It seems to be geared oddly. Running just above its comfort level to simulate power. It would be annoying on a highway. I agree. Thanks for your comment.
Its marketed globally as a learner bike A2 compliant. You people who want 2500 rpm of the freeway aren’t looking at bikes like this anyway i don’t get it.
i ride an ER6n model 2006 . performs very well no vibations. but i have the springs chanfed to lower the bike. since i am rather short . this also made the bike more comfortable to ride on less smooth roads. original suspension was a little to hard.
Thank Motorcycling God you are back on real roads again, with a real Road Bike, even if only on a Marmite Kawasaki, and thank you I didn't have to look at it. I have never seen the Attraction of Kawas, other than they are MENTAL ! .
I don't like the clocks. Probably fun to ride. I'd rather have the XSR700's engine and looks. I'd rather even have the SV650's engine and looks. I'd rather have the Kawasaki than the Interceptor, though. I have never boufght a Kawasaki, either.
You called the guages "cheesy." I frankly love the analogue guages. I am NOT a fan of full digital dashes at all. I like the dials on this alot.
I love analog dials. I hate the design language on thIs bike’s dials. I am not a fan of digital displays. None of my bikes have digital displays. I intentionally avoid them.
@DickWhistles The faces on the Z650RS in Canada have kms only, looks much less 'busy' and more appealing in my view
I am a middle-aged new rider who has only been riding a month or two. I bought this as my first bike and I am still learning to ride it. I love the low center of weight and slow maneuvers are very easy. I haven't had the bike over 35 mph but so far it doesn't seem overwhelming. My lack of experience as a rider and the fact this is y first street bike may be the reason I am not seeing what you see,. BTW: I bought a new 2022 in march that is the 50th anniversary model. It's Just gorgeous.
Mind telling me now that you had more time with the z650rs, would you be able to work with a z900rs? you ever got to test ride the bigger one?
@@devr7771 The 650 is just right for me and I wouldn't be interested in going to a larger bike.
I am a new 52 years old beginner considering to buy this beauty as mu first motorcycle! Looking forward to see it in the shop and make Riding test 😎✌️
I’m a sixty year who has recently returned to biking,...I’m due to get a 50th anniversary model in a few days, I think it’ll do for me. Can’t wait, & will be riding alongside my sons who have XSR 700 & 900
@@simonaustin1788 You are going to be super happy with it.
I recently picked up a new one from a dealer who was desperate to get rid of it. Under $6k US. It had been on his showroom floor for 2 years. Mine smoothes out over 5000 RPM and under 4000 RPM. I love the Speedo and tach gauges and the details between the gauges, mpg, ave mpg, trip a, trip b, range, Odo, temp, gas , clock. Time for a ride see ya.
Congratulations on your new bike. Great deal. Ride safe.
1985 was the last time I rode a bike. I have been looking at a new bike for two years. Took the Z650RS out for a test ride fell in love with it immediately. In my test ride the only thing I struggled with were with roundabouts and the indicators. I had no trouble with the breaks or gearing even though its my first ride in 39 years. I took it up to 120 kiolmetres per hour. So I went straight back to the shop and brought it for my 72nd birthday. Only used to ride 400cc Hondas and purchased 3 in one year
The best bike I ever had was a Kawasaki KH250 triple. 90mph and you could hear it coming a mile away. It was really great fun.
As someone who came up riding in the early 2000s I feel like this bike was made to appeal to me and older riders. The bike I learned to ride on was an old Suzuki that was of this particular style, although I can’t remember the model. I *think* I might prefer a four cylinder but given most of my time has been spent on four cylinder bikes the twin is appealing in a “I’d like to try something different” way even if the engine layout is kind of regarded as a beginner bike engine.
I haven’t ridden in over ten years but this machine really speaks to me and the thought of taking a day or weekend trip up to the mountains sounds really nice. Maybe holding onto my Aerostich Roadcrafter will have been a good idea after all.
I have to disagree with you re the brakes. I find them very functional. After my 2014 V7 Moto Guzzi which skidded out on the rear brake I'm much more confident with these. I don't have trouble re vibration as I'm mostly doing 100-120 Km/Hr in 6th ~about 5,000 rpm. I looked at the MT07: too fugly especially the colours and tank. The RE650 cheaper & much heavier. The Suzuki 650 Vstrom too heavy and too tall. The Honda CB500X was >9 months delivery and 471cc although a nice all-round bike for NSW country roads. The Triumph 660 - not that ergonomic.
CFMOTO cheaper but much heavier.
Bought the green 2023 Z650RS and very happy with it. I'm 72yrs and love the 187Kg wet weight. Thanks for an interesting video.
RayK 🇭🇲 🦘 🏍 🚲 🇬🇷
Thanks for the owner’s perspective and how you arrived at your choice. The XSR700 or the Tracer 7 didn’t tickle your fancy? I agree with you on all of the bikes you mentioned. The CB500X remains one of the best bikes available (when they’re available). I’d probably have waited.
Ride safe.
Enjoy your bike.
@@DickWhistles the XSR was as hard to get in OZ as the CB500X and I think it's only an half hearted attempt at retro. The Tracer 7 puts itself in a much higher category. As with my V7 I wanted a retro style bike. In 2014 when I bought it it was a choice of 3.
1. W800 Paint was Purple at the time = horrible and dearest
2. 850 Bonneville very heavy but the cheapest
3. V7 seemed to fit my size ergonomically and was the best price. I still miss it's engine breaking but not it's lack of riderability.
The Z650RS is a dream in the Twisties.
Thanks
Ray
The Tracer 7 was more than the MT07? Same platform. Are you thinking I meant the T7 (Tenere)?
Yeah, Bonnies are so freaking heavy. Why is that? I can't reconcile it on mine. Of all of my bike, she is the worst to move around.
Glad you found something you enjoy.
Ride safe.
@@DickWhistles the Yamaha Tracer 7 is Not available only the Tracer 9 @ around $24,500
I’ve got one of these and done over 4000 miles on it in the last year commuting, touring and social riding and never experienced any of of what you said in your short ride other than it can be a bit viby but no where as dramatic as you say. You’re probably better off with a car👍
Agreed 100% with you here
I agree.
Garoto mimado não gosta de vento, vibrações, frio, não ande de moto. Sem moral para criticar portanto .
The clocks look like the face in the pic for your channel
Distant relation...
Love your brutally honest analysis! Hope you are keeping well? Keep up the good work!
Thanks for the comment and the watch.
Anything 650cc and up should have a comfortable place for a girlfriend or wife. They all need to stop cutting the passenger seat 😡
had mine a few months now. Looks good, easy to ride, and I love the bike. I think it is good for going on from a 125, or maybe going down from a bigger bike if you want a lighter bike. There is however something strange about the gearing. I am in top at about 45mph, and have to increase the revs significantly to stay on 60, which is where the vibration starts. It is like you go to change up and you then realize your in 6th gear already. It is good if your happy to stay at about 50mph. It is certainly not built for speed.
Try the 900RS. It still has odd gearing (I changed a sprocket on mine) but is a much more satisfying bike.
I never thought I would buy a Kawasaki, but I did.
21:56 I loved playing on my Versys 650 in the twisties. Keep it at over a little over 6K and it was a rocket.
it’s crazy here in mexico it’s almost twice the price of an interceptor 650. You convinced me to get the interceptor thanks
I think for the price you'll be able to pick up a used one in a year or two, it's a bike worthy of uprgarding the suspension and brakes to make the most of the motor. I think the ergos and looks will appeal to a lot of older riders, or folk that were weened on 80's Japanese bikes before the 400cc sports era. Metallic green, gold mags...what's not to like? Just needs some tweeks to make this a really fun back roader, that could also be your daily for work....
I looked at this bike for nearly a year and came very close to making it my first bike. However, my heart was stolen by a Street Twin that popped up for sale near me and I bought THAT 3 weeks ago. I still wonder if I made a mistake, especially after watching your video. I love the design of the Z650RS, and im sure its a bit faster than my Street Twin, but boy does the ST look sexy itself, and have a crazy good exhaust note. Great video mate.
Thanks for your comment. You didn't choose wrong. If you are doing Texas highway riding, the Kawa is not a good fit.
@@DickWhistles Why would the Kawi not be great for Texas highways? What makes our highways here different than somewhere else?
I've ridden both and would say you did well for getting the Street Twin, I'm guessing most likely the 900 but didn't say which year, I know 2019 they redesigned them slightly and I believe the biggest difference was a better front brake. The Triumph's in general are very refined, they are just smoother and typically the throttle response is 2nd to none. The 900's just have way more usable power throughout the rpm range, as the old saying goes "there is no replacement for displacement." The 650 has enough power in that it's just enough, it's definitely no slouch either and will be faster than most anything else out on the road. No offense to Kawasaki but I feel the z650rs is a bit overpriced by at least $500-$1k dollars for what you are actually getting, you can buy the z900 model for really not that much extra but then it's not a retro classic either.
On weight to power ratio both Z650 rs and ST900 should be the same however Z has 6 speed gear box compared to 5 speed of ST 900 and more comfortable riding position, isn't it ? Asking because I am in a similar dilemma between these two, I am also looking for something which can do 700 kms day ride
@@rajivbhalla3194 i have the same dilemma
Good review!! Thanks
Refreshingly honest review. Thank you= I've watched a ton of reviews on this bike, cause I like the look and they were all more or less like reading the marketing materials. No one mentioned the vibrations being an issue.
Cheers.
There is no vibration issues.
Am Impressed with this retro 650
A good buy
No vibration problems for me either. Love this bike. Perfect at my age of 72 and having ridden bikes since 18yrs.
The vibration he speaks of is actually his anal sphincter pulsating when he exceeds 4000 rpms in 6th gear.
This is my 3rd 650. Previously I had a Honda NX650 (single cylinder)
And then a Suzuki Sv650 (2003 model).
This is far more comfortable than than the SV was in terms of position.
If the reviewer thinks this bike has a vibration issue they must not have ridden the Sv snd definitely never a single cylinder Honda or Yamaha 80’s Paris-Dakar style bike.
Does it vibrate more than a 4? Sure… but I can’t believe he’s getting numb, might want to adjust the controls for ideal position.
Only just found this video a year later. It looks like a great ride where you are I would love to be there. Are you in Dartmoor or Scotland ?
North Wales
What was the ODO reading on the bike? The engine vibrations are definitely an issue prior to the first oil change. After the first oil change to a semi-synthetic oil blend, the vibrations reduced considerably. I had this bike before I sold it for it's bigger brother, the Z900RS. Same thing with the Z900RS, except the gears were also clunkier prior to the first oil change.
Your other point about the bike disappearing under you is the most apt statement for this bike. I just didn't know what I was riding as well. Also agreed that this bike is a bit peppy for a beginner bike; this was the bike I came back on after 12 years away and it was peppy!
It was a demo, so the miles must have been low. Kawasakis are killers in the wrong hands. Thanks for your comment.
I urge you to try a Kawi Z900 abs. Not the RS, the regular model. It looks like a transformer but is a real peach to ride. Very good around town manners and super smooth. Smoother than the FZ6 I think.
After 3 Bonnies the Z650 felt a doddle to ride. What vibes?
Someone needs to learn proper braking techniques. Might I recommend i2i Motorcycle Academy and go for Machine Control Level 1 (MC1)
this bike is very nice my mate does have on and i did ride it a couple of times but like you said at 4500 ,5000 in 6 it feels like you need to shift because of the vibes , for this the reason i ride a RE interceptor 650 (love it )
I see a modern take on the Z650 of the 70's/80's. But what I hear is a GS400 twin. Don't know if I can reconcile the two (???)
My 2015 Versys 650 had a rubber mounted engine to get rid of the vibration from the 2014 and earlier version. Does anyone know if this is rubber mounted?
I saw this bike at Daytona Bike Week on display at the event this past year. It stopped me in my tracks. Now I was looking for the new 2022 H2 SX and not even interested in this bike but wow that green and gold on this proportionally correct shape of our beloved old memories of that XS650. Yup my first street bike I ever rode. So I completely understand the draw you feel. I just sold my classic styled bike a 900 Triumph Scrambler. It taught me to never buy a bike purely on looks. I ended up getting the new XSR 900 for my naked bike. It’s no classic but wow what a bike! You need to review one.
I have! A Whistles favourite. Search my channel for it. Thanks for your comment.
@@DickWhistles The new 2022 XSR900? I’m sorry I don’t see it on a search.
Not the 2022. The original. I’ll see if I can get my hands on a new one. Other than the seat, which I think is ugly, I didn’t think much had changed. I’ll look closer. Thanks for the suggestion.
interesting that you didnt buy the Z900Rs which looks and sounds more retro.
@@rubo1964 I come from a road racing background and remember the FZ400s I raced against. (I was on an EX500 that was beaten with an ugly stick) The FZ had a look if you know what I mean, and the XSR woke that memory up. The KZ900 has a look as well captured by the tail section of the modern version. It looks amazing and that blue version this past year is a winner. But my racing background wants something a bit more of a hooligan. Something that is a KTM Duke 890 without the 890s horrible looks. To me the XSR in blue with the gold wheels and FZR tank hit that sweet spot. Yes it’s a street fighter look and not a classic replica. But to me it’s a memory of those beat up racers in my past. The “look” works for me. The Kawi has a look but Its more sedate in my eye. The XSR leans towards a more performance side of the coin. That is my preference right now. Still that KZ look is really sweet. Also see my recent video on my channel. It answers the call to hoon very well indeed.
Great review, very informative.
Cheers.
Good review (as always). Haven't ridden a Z650RS but did own a 2018 Z900RS for two years. Loved the big machine, but changed it two years ago. It's a nostalgia bike and for longer distance now we expect better weather protection and other modern things. That said I have an Interceptor and love that for the purpose I bought that. Also have a DL650 for longer trips so your comparisons with the SV are interesting. I think the Z650RS would need kitting better for long trips. I do lament the 80s/90s when you could far more easily add a full or 3/4 fairing rather than choose when buying and no option to summer/winterise.
Your comments on the headlamp and console remind me how most Japanese bikes of the period appeared to have lost their headlamp when you looked down., tucked under the twin dial nacelle. Very different to European machines. Personally, I'm perfectly happy with the dials (well, was on the Z900RS).
I can appreciate the 650 could sell as well as the Interceptor in some regions, but I feel overall sales of the REs - when you consider the home market - will only ever be beaten by the Chinese machines now.
It sounds like the Kawasaki spirit, much like I found a Tracer compared to some other compared machines, wants to just push ahead. Like the little terrier yapping at the heels to chase the ball all the time even when you want take a more leisurely stroll.
Look forward to finally trying one, although reports, including yours, of vibes, versus my Interceptor (and the DL for that matter) don't sound promising.
Well said. I appreciate your perspective. I am curious about your positive experience with Chinese bikes that make you think they’d outsell the Kawasaki. I also appreciate your apparent love of the middle weight.
Thanks for your comment.
@@DickWhistles The reference to Chinese sales is based purely, I think, on sheer volume and market penetration of these emerging machines. Much as they've done with all products and, as I write here on a Chinese built laptop, from a once market leading American brand, much as mirrors the electronics industry - momentarily dominated by the Japanese one.
To a large extent the volume is already there, apparently, in the home market and I've seen (alleged) reports that China builds more two-wheelers in their home market than all other manufacturers in the world, put together'.
We saw Japan rise to outsell the Europeans back in the 1970/80s and the big four come to decimate the likes of Triumph back then. Without moving to Asian manufacturing I doubt Triumph (or RE) would be here today.
Now we're seeing the Chinese begin to do this many times over and when we look at the country of manufacture in today's market, with many Chinese machines already using Japanese engines under license, placing Chinese engines and sub-assemblies into non-Chinese bikes, or making complete bikes for the once proud European brand (i.e. Bennelli, now KTM, even BMW, and others) then Chinese branded bikes look set to outsell RE, and certainly the likes of Kawasaki. Add all the other considerations, we have Honda making complete machines like the CB500X/NC500X in Thailand and it's merely labelling to call that a Japanese bike.
This may all be affected by (or affect?) the apparent move back to the middle capacity ranges - itself affected by emissions, speed restrictions, and other social factors. As we no longer crave the unmanageable power, super heavy super-cc machines, the Chinese middle-weights with their attractive and very price conscious packages pull us from the must have Japanese offerings.
I guess, if were talking specifically of the prospect of Kawasaki selling more Z650RS than the Interceptor 650 - is that possible? The Inty sells, apparently, in such massive volumes in it's home market as well as world wide, I can't quite see that, but maybe. The Chinese on the other hand, with a particular model - a similar CF Moto model - are likely to establish a sales profile that could outsell both, especially including their own home market?
To date the Chinese have concentrated on adventure styles and, leaving any political prejudices out of the equation, some of these are now heavily threatening the likes of KTM (almost Chinese now), Suzuki (I see China now makes a bike with the VStrom 650 engine under licence), the Honda NC750, and many others, the quality is rising in a tempting, money saving, fully kitted out package. A Japanese copy - arguably better in a cost conscious world. Isn't that what Japan did to the European market 50 years or so ago.
Apply this to a 'retro' styled Chinese machine similar to the Z650RS, or Interceptor, and whilst the Interceptor might still sell volumes in it's home region, the Z may struggle. Neither of those will be the volume sellers.
The knife edge, of course, is where is fossil fuel in any of this!
I don't know, I'm rambling around but I feel there is a move emerging.
I agree with your estimation about market penetration, but the key lies in your comment about “rising quality”. The Japanese brands of the 70’s and 80’s were of a higher quality out of the gate. That was what killed the Brit and Euro brands. Thai manufacturer under Japanese QC is still far superior to Chinese offerings. We own a Chinese Suzuki Clone and we can kill it. But every other Chinese specific brand I’ve tried bike or automobile have been dismal! I am not patient enough to wait for them to improve. First impressions mean a lot. That being said, the Korean auto brands that were economy or appliance vehicle in the 80’s and 90’s have now risen to the quality of Honda. So time will tell.
Thanks for your time and thoughts.
@@DickWhistles Hmm! I'd question 'out of the gate'. The initial Japanese quality was good on the face of things but we still lived through engine lacquers that, initially good, were more to mask the castings and started to crack, flake and do all sorts of dreadful things after a couple of seasons. Chrome which appeared better than any British, but actually failed equally quickly to the engine covering. Seats where the foam just 'dissolved' in two years...In fairness, the Japanese (as always) learned rapidly.
Yes, Thai construction is now as good as the Japanese. The Honda CB500X, now NC500X, completely made there I believe, is visibly superior in quality and finish alongside the Japanese assembled NC750X, for example.
But, looking at the speed of development and QC on the Chinese machines, that Japanese storm of the 80s is happening rapidly in China now. If you were looking at either of those Honda models, or a Versys 650, you'd be crazy not to look at this years CFMoto and similar. Next year?..could be a no brainer!
Especially as we compare in the 'mid' range capacity. The large Japanese models are still well finished (although I do think some comments from other reviewers still have rose tinted specs on, and there are eroding standards against the competition).
The mid range are far more down to a budget, and using the DL650 I mentioned as an example, the latest models are not as well finished, imho, as ten years ago, and the VStrom has always been a well appointed machine. Other mid-range machines lack the adjustable suspensions and features now appearing as standard on the Chinese machines this year, if not last year. Rapid value added.
Really nice bike!!! Do you know the max load weight for this bike? And it is beginner friendly ? Thanx :)
I do not know the max load weight for this bike. I am sure you can find that information on the manufacturer website under their specifications. Other than the Kawasaki 400 and the Ninja 250. I don’t think any bike with a Kawasaki engine should be considered a beginners bike. This bike specifically punches above its weight. That means it revs incredibly high to produce the power it needs to exceed the performance necessary to compete with other more popular bikes in this class. Kawasaki engines always feel high strung and hyperactive. It’s geometry and proportions, make it more manageable than other Kawasakis, however, it’s modest size means that the engine is probably a dash too powerful for the chassis. I would say this is probably a good second motorcycle.
Thanks for your comment. Ride safe.
The bad brakes may just be new tires. Were they new?
I didn't look close, but it was a relatively new demo so I could surmise, yes.
Thanks for your comment.
Clearly not a bike for you . Maybe a Harley for you.
Clearly this is the first video of mine you’ve ever seen… Have a look at my other videos and see if you still think a Harley would suit. Thanks for your comment.
I am an analog guy in a digital world. I love analog dials and gauges. Digital stinks. I'll take steam gauges any day. But, the 650 dashboard is pretty nice. Yeah, even if some of it is Digital.
I generally like the dual clocks, but they should be designed to look a little less like a Futurama character.
Good very detailed video.
I was thinking about getting this bike, but I'm glad I got the Rebel 1100cc DCT instead.
Hmmm. Dct? No regrets? Thanks for the comment.
I swear my klx250 runs and shifts like u describe the 650!
6500rpm and bam u r thru the gears and yes I forget I'm in 6th also.
Wind it up,take some load off the gearbox and up u go. U barely need a full pull on the clutch.
Don't use it for most downshifting.
That's how my 07' seems to shift the best.
Coming up outa 1st is the toughest to catch its kinda short.
5-6k is a bit rough,6-7k or so is pretty smooth,
above 7500 is when it starts to feel like maybe theres an angry determined hornet underneath you and u need to make sure it stays that way.
Enough torque at low revs to cruise
Kinda buzzy as u break thru to the shift zone
Then a small smooth spot just below the angry hornet
Wake that thing up and hang on to it!
I have to disagree with you completely unfortunately. The Z650rs was a cracking first bike and now ive jumped to the Z900rs which to me is even better. Stacks of torque, brakes worked superb on both, never noticed any vibes clocks are clear and easy to read. I never felt the z650 was a bike I'd rev particularly hard with being a twin compared to the 4 cylinder Z900rs. In my opinion anyways lol
Thanks for the owner’s perspective. But if it was such a cracking bike, why the upgrade?
Great review and help me decide maybe this is not the right bike for me. Might still ride one but some of the things you mentioned summed up a feeling I had on the design of the bike not being the type of naked bike i was after. I guess given it's just a naked ninja with a few other minor changes like handlebar high and position is part of why it's a rev happy bike plus the shorter wheelbase given its based on a sports bike. Also why the front end seems to drop away too much because the front end normally has the full fairings on the ninja version. Also that rear swing arm design that might look right on the Ninja looks terrible on the naked bike as it's all wrong for a naked bike look. I feel Kawasaki wanted a naked and did as little as possible to get one when taking the ninja 650 and turning it into a naked bike. Shame as I love the retro Green colour version. One thing I am wondering though is on those narrow road and the two trucks you gave way too. What happens when someone in another truck or car comes into the same situation? Are there untold rules on who has to give way and in many case reverse up into a side space to make room? I'm in australia so we don't tend to have those tiny back roads like in the UK.
On Welsh roads, it is a crap shoot. It pretty much depends on who is closer to the nearest pull off, and how confident each driver is with reversing around a bend or up hill. There is the occasional row. You always give way to tractors... No laws dictating behaviour though.
Vs the sv....whats the winner?
Hey have you ridden the 900 rs thinking of which one to buy if the 650 has vibes it’s not for me I currently have the Honda cb500x looking for a replacement lower seat height etc
I have not ridden it for a significant enough time to give a comprehensive review. I will say it was cumbersome. Its 33 inch seat height is a a dash higher than your CB500X. The Honda’s 199kg weight is also lighter than the Kawasaki’s 215...
Also, why do you want to replace one of the best bikes ever made?
What year is your CB?
@@DickWhistles hello my wife and I have the same cb500x 2019. I would keep the Honda just wanted something different.
I had a CB500F when they first came out and currently own a Z900RS. To me, they have more in common than one would expect. Both feel light and flickable but the RS has a much more flexible engine with more grunt, so you're not rowing through the gears like you have to on the CB. The RS is also gorgeous where the CB is a bit faceless. I doubt you would be disappointed if you got a Z900RS.
@@MarmiteTheDog Thanks for the owner’s perspective.
@@MarmiteTheDog hi Jason yeah I know never owned a 4 cylinder bike and they are becoming rare.I am hopeless on even gravel tracks on the cb but with soft luggage it’s great for touring.we have a holiday booked this year and we are hiring the new 2023 cb with improved brakes and suspension just to see if I stay with Honda and upgrade to the newer model.
Nice one Dick, like a lot of people have mentioned I can't get past the look of that radiator, the only thing Kawasaki got right for me is the colour.....
I have mixed feelings about Kawasaki green. Thanks for your comment.
Vibrações nesse nível pode ser rodas desalinahdas ou desbalanceadas....nao é normal. Ou piloto é muito sensível.
Looking forward to you revisiting the Interceptor. A year in, I'm much more aware of it's shortcomings but, in all honesty, they just don't bother me.
I have bikes like that. It’ll probably be in the new year. Demos are hard to find these days. Thanks for your comment.
whats the best 650... a new interceptor 650 or a used yamaha V star 650.... ?
270 deg crank new vs used v twin?
The new RE is a peppier engine than an old V-Star. For less money you could get a V-Star 1100 and it is better. I should say, I am not a fan of the Interceptor.
@@DickWhistles yes , the v star 1100 would be my choice, but im limited
to 650 maximum for my first bike here in Australia.
Let me ask you, Do you prefer the T120 bonneville or a used low km V star 1100 ? Appreciate your advice, great videos !
If it's your first bike, I'd recommend the V-Star. It is tame. The T120 is a superior bike, but it is a lot of bike. I actually don't think the 1200 engine is very well suited for that frame. It would cost more, be worth more, be more bike for a new rider to handle, but one you'd probably not want to replace after a few years of riding. The V-Star has a special place in my heart. It is not a collector's item. It will not hold its value and you may feel that you need to upgrade in the future. All of that being said, we still own ours and enjoy riding it 22 years and dozens of bikes later. Hope that helps. Thanks for watching.
@@DickWhistles thanks Dick for that good advice. I settled on the v star 650 because of all those same reasons. Do more reviews of retro bikes!!
the ABS is not the newest generation of Bosch... unfortunately... the rear ABS feels for me as if it is engaging way too early (got better after a few 1000 km though)... The front brakes are really good and sharp in my opinion. Have the exact same bike and got close to 10.000 km on it last year. Still considering upgrading to the 900 rs as I really like 4 cylinder engines. Fora 650 - as you said - it runs really good and feels like a sport bike, at least a bit. By the way, on normal roads (not the Autobahn) I tend to just use the 5th gear, the 6th is more of an overdrive gear for higher speeds on the autobahn.
Thanks for your owner's perspective.
ABS cutting in early due to light gravel coating on the rural roads?
Perhaps. Thanks for your comment.
Any thoughts on the Kawasaki W800? It’s an outlier on the current Kawasaki lineup and a true throwback to classic ‘60s and ‘70s bikes. I’m currently cross-shopping it against the RE Interceptor 650 and the Triumph Bonneville T100 / Speed Twin 900. Looking for a reliable low maintenance bike that still captures that classic fun factor. Something that can be a dependable rider since my Yamaha XS650 will be a long term project to make road worthy.
I like the look of the W. Don’t know how committed Kawasaki is to them. They come and go over here. The 650 was interesting, but has since gone. Can’t ever find an example to demo. It does turn the head as it goes by. Don’t know how I feel about pushrod engines these days.
@@DickWhistles Fair enough on Kawasaki's level of commitment. The bike's place in the market seems to be squeezed out between the RE Interceptor and the Triumph Bonneville. But it may be more compelling than you think. The W800 actually IS the W650. Kawasaki slightly bored and stroked the engine when they converted the bike to fuel injection. Otherwise, they're basically the same bike. And the engine is a single overhead cam and not a pushrod. I had the same reaction the first time I saw it. What looks like a pushrod is actually a bevel gear that turns the camshaft instead of a timing chain. There's a fun review here: ua-cam.com/video/RSE73I4LXe4/v-deo.html
In any case, thanks for your great rides and reviews. They're great fun. Thanks to you I discovered the Yamaha XS line when I was otherwise moving towards a Honda four of the same era. Can't wait to get my XS working again. Great fun.
And I'm looking forward to see your ride and reaction to your BMW R1200C. The one I had was the only cruiser I've ever owned. Still regret selling it. An under appreciated gem.
I own a W800 and made about 120 000 kms on it.
It is extremely reliable, extremely well made and extremely easy/accessible to maintain. Valve adjustment, in particular, is so easy - it's basically a pleasure. To me it is also very comfortable in terms of ergonomics.
The engine is very torquey but within a rather narrow range. It's great around town and on the twisty roads but almost inadequate at highway speeds. It's very frugal (consistently below 4l/100km). The engine vibrates but at a low frequency which doesn't cause tingling or numbness (to me, at least). I've had no issues withe engine whatsoever, it doesn't overheat even in extreme conditions and it doesn't burn or leak oil.
That said, it's quite heavy and the suspension is rather wallowy. The suspension travel is short and the bike is quite low. It is not particularly nimble either.
Because of tyre sizes you have a somewhat limited choice and you will probably pay a bit more.
@@petertakov Many thanks for the great observations on the ownership experience.
@@taikoplayer1223 interesting about the W. I will try and find one. Can’t wait to get in the Beemer. Weather and other commitments have kept us a garage queen.
Thanks again for your comments.
Vs the sv....whats the winner? Agree the abs on the kawak 650s comes in too hard
SV seven days a week!
@DickWhistles Cheers Dick, was a religious viewer what seemed like years ago. Good to see more vids 👍
Nice review, Dick! Totally agree on the 650 sweet spot… or 660 in my case 😆 Seems a bit of a mixed bag, this one. Agree with the other commenter re the Interceptor with the S&S pipes; try one! (I miss mine, but love my Tiger 660 more) Any plans to review the Hunter 350 in this vein? Cheers!
Glad you’re still happy with the 660. We will look at the Hunter in the new year. I am drawn to the geometry. Repelled by the marketing.
What, a bunch of Gen Z'ers zipping around town taking selfies not your thing? :) I do think it would make a nice "Sunday afternoon" rider... looking forward to your thoughts!! Cheers.
I’ve watched so many videos on this bike and this is the only one with negative reviews. #Confused
You’ll be hard pressed to find reviewers pointing out the negatives on a bike, they risk not being invited to demo new bikes, have long loans or be invites to manufacturer events. Watch more of my videos, you’ll learn a lot. Thanks for your comment.
Wonder if they make a bigger gas tank for this bike ?
I can't get past the radiator and radiator cap on the Kawi 650. If you ride an Interceptor again, I would try to find one with aftermarket silencers. The sound of the air cooled twin alone is convincing.
Do aftermarket silencers fix the poor positioning of the foot pegs? I’ll see if I can find one. As for the engine, I’ll try the new Super Meteor as well and see if I have the same impressions.
Thanks for your comment.
@@DickWhistles I think that the foot peg position is subjective....
I haven't heard aftermarket pipes that sound better than the stock ones. All they do is remove the depth of sound and amplify it.
I bought one after owning a beloved Bandit12 for 18years,. It turned me into a 16 year old until I had a stern word with myself, people seem to equate it with the Interceptor but it's from another place totally, but of course you get fewer old duffers cooing over it when parked, which is good for a slight misanthrope.Thanks for a honest review
Love your way of reviewing bikes... But when you compare the lack of love for the Kawasakis to lack of love for Van Halen music you make me realize that we have a lot more in common than I ever thought. That said I love the W800 though :)
Cheers!
4500RPM 55MPH looking for 6th gear? That would drive me nuts hate that imagine going 75 on highway in US and getting all buzzed up.Problem is difference of Z900rs is only few k's and I rather get the Z900Rs so I dont have to get bored on 650 or get annoyed on high RPM engine.
It seems to be geared oddly. Running just above its comfort level to simulate power. It would be annoying on a highway. I agree. Thanks for your comment.
Its marketed globally as a learner bike A2 compliant. You people who want 2500 rpm of the freeway aren’t looking at bikes like this anyway i don’t get it.
i ride an ER6n model 2006 . performs very well no vibations. but i have the springs chanfed to lower the bike. since i am rather short . this also made the bike more comfortable to ride on less smooth roads. original suspension was a little to hard.
New rider , are you supposed to ride @ 6k rpms?
Peak torque is at 6,500 rpm. Peak horse power is at 8,000 rpm. Riding at 6k rpm is appropriate for this bike.
Thank Motorcycling God you are back on real roads again, with a real Road Bike, even if only on a Marmite Kawasaki, and thank you I didn't have to look at it.
I have never seen the Attraction of Kawas, other than they are MENTAL !
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Agreed.
I don't like the clocks. Probably fun to ride. I'd rather have the XSR700's engine and looks. I'd rather even have the SV650's engine and looks. I'd rather have the Kawasaki than the Interceptor, though. I have never boufght a Kawasaki, either.
@will M Not buying anything, as I already have a couple of bikes. Thanks for the tip, though.
@@1990-t1j don’t kid yourself... a motorcyclist is ALWAYS buying...
I too would rather the Yamaha 700 (in the Tracer iteration). And/or the SV.
@@DickWhistles I currently am lusting after a Rocket 3 R.
@@DickWhistles A Kawasaki I would be interested in if one were available anywhere other than America is the KLX300SM
it’s crazy here in mexico it’s almost twice the price of an interceptor 650. You convinced me to get the interceptor thanks