I'm in nursing school and wanted to review this for an upcoming quiz. What a delight to see Professor Feldstein whose class I had in my last semester at YorkU! Such a great succinct explanation as always.
Thanks for this. My questions is.. does one need to satisfy ALL the 4 criteria for involuntary admisdion to mental health unit? or one can be asmitted only for 1 or 2?
A person has to satisfy only 1 criterion in each section of the form (of either Box A or B). For example, just one of the five boxes under The Past/Present Test. And just one of the three under The Future Test for Box A. Under Box B, just one of the four criteria would be enough.
so what happens after 72 hours if the patient wants out of the hospital even if they are not in mental health condition to be released on the streets cause of harm to themselves?
Some will be fine and may seek help from an out-patient therapist or psychiatrist. Others will still be at risk of significant harm (sadly this happens often) and may end up back in the hospital soon after (or worse).
Potentially; it would depend on the circumstances (such as what specifically the person is saying/doing). Here is some of the language from the Mental Health Act regarding Form 1 criteria: Where a physician examines a person and has reasonable cause to believe that the person, (a) has threatened or attempted or is threatening or attempting to cause bodily harm to himself or herself; (b) has behaved or is behaving violently towards another person or has caused or is causing another person to fear bodily harm from him or her; or (c) has shown or is showing a lack of competence to care for himself or herself, and if in addition the physician is of the opinion that the person is apparently suffering from mental disorder of a nature or quality that likely will result in, (d) serious bodily harm to the person; (e) serious bodily harm to another person; or (f) serious physical impairment of the person the physician may make application in the prescribed form (i.e. the Form 1) for a psychiatric assessment of the person
This is exactly why most people keep their suffering to themselves. You can end up losing the reigns of your life over to strangers who can profit off of your suffering. It is better to die than become a slave to people arrogant and powerful enough to impose their self-righteousness on you. In the past, U.S. doctors said that the reason African slaves were running away was due to a disease. People will say anything to get what they want out of a situation; the medical field is not above humanity's self-centered desires. To any people who has yet to fall into such traps as this, never trust anyone who has an interest in you before they know who you are and where you came from. Their concern is not for you; it is for what you can provide them. Trust people who are indifferent to you as they can grow to care about you whereas the people who implement "form 1" are more likely to settle with the agenda they had coming into this situation. This is a sick world and everyone deserves healing, but help will never truly come from wolves in shepards clothing. This is only the wolf's way of justifying dehumanizing you enough to take advantage of your circumstances.
Psychiatry is a dangerous pseudoscience that stigmatizes and controls people for profit. Really sick mentally deranged people who work in this industry. This is a business not health care.
Hi there, please explain why you are saying this. Were you or someone you know was admitted to the hospital? I am asking because I am about to do a form 2 for a family member. I need to know what exactly happens to a person once the are admitted to a psychiatric hospital. Do they really help the patients or do they just push drugs on them? Can family members see them and have contact with patients? Is it bad for someone to go there in Canada? Can they be normal again or is it a stigma getting jobs, how badly does it affect a person going there?
This is wrong...so very wrong. Allowing those whom are well aware of their symptoms, diagnosis and triggers not to "accept" the process of a disorder bestowed upon them mostly thru abuse/neglect or pathology, unaware nor unable to conciously at the time to protect themselves for a struggle they were never prepared for....not be given a voice to say "hey I'm ok..I'm just having a moment ...whatever that moment is...let me go thru my process I'll be ok I was triggered ..please" and be taken away by brutal force by police who only has a weekend course in psychology to make that accessment of whether to detain me for 72 in a Psychiatric facility... I'd go on.... just know you have no idea what you are talking about....Ontario's Mental Health System is broken and this Form One takes the Free Will of ppl away..period and when questioned as to your treatment ....you cannot get an answer...not thru Hospital's Patient Relations Co Ordinator..you can file a report..as far as it goes..never see it thru..just file a report..how useless....so just so you know an individual can have their Human Rights violated, the Mental Health Act ..VIOLATED!! and their Patients Rights VIOLATED!!!....NOTHING will be done, reported, even recognized...not even thru the CMHA....why? Well they are the ones who support the weekend course ...they just recently posted opening Firefighters.. so I'm telling you all this so you know questions will go unanswered or be justified... because you will be treated poorly, filled will alot of bad heavy drugs you don't require, and likely blackout... animalistic really... This is wrong..very wrong!!!! Know your story please.
Hi Rachel! In this video we are just explaining the law as it is written. We agree the system is very broken. It is lacking resources and does not always function as it should. There are many areas that require significant improvement. One minor point of clarification: the police do have authority to bring a person to a hospital, but only a physician can sign the Form 1 to detain a person for up to 72 hours. The police are not allowed to sign the Form 1.
I am about to do a form 2 for a family member. Do you advice against it? It seems you went through this and it was not positive. Please explain the whole process and do the patient get any help at all or just a useless system?
This was very helpful, thank you!
I'm in nursing school and wanted to review this for an upcoming quiz. What a delight to see Professor Feldstein whose class I had in my last semester at YorkU! Such a great succinct explanation as always.
This applies to the province of Ontario (Canada). Thank you. This is just what I was looking for.
Thanks for this. My questions is.. does one need to satisfy ALL the 4 criteria for involuntary admisdion to mental health unit? or one can be asmitted only for 1 or 2?
A person has to satisfy only 1 criterion in each section of the form (of either Box A or B). For example, just one of the five boxes under The Past/Present Test. And just one of the three under The Future Test for Box A. Under Box B, just one of the four criteria would be enough.
If there is autonomy, can someone opt out?
so what happens after 72 hours if the patient wants out of the hospital even if they are not in mental health condition to be released on the streets cause of harm to themselves?
Some will be fine and may seek help from an out-patient therapist or psychiatrist. Others will still be at risk of significant harm (sadly this happens often) and may end up back in the hospital soon after (or worse).
If the patient is mentally and verbally abusing a live in family member. Can a form 1 be administered?
Potentially; it would depend on the circumstances (such as what specifically the person is saying/doing). Here is some of the language from the Mental Health Act regarding Form 1 criteria:
Where a physician examines a person and has reasonable cause to believe that the person,
(a) has threatened or attempted or is threatening or attempting to cause bodily harm to himself or herself;
(b) has behaved or is behaving violently towards another person or has caused or is causing another person to fear bodily harm from him or her; or
(c) has shown or is showing a lack of competence to care for himself or herself,
and if in addition the physician is of the opinion that the person is apparently suffering from mental disorder of a nature or quality that likely will result in,
(d) serious bodily harm to the person;
(e) serious bodily harm to another person; or
(f) serious physical impairment of the person
the physician may make application in the prescribed form (i.e. the Form 1) for a psychiatric assessment of the person
@@lisafeldstein Thank you.
This is exactly why most people keep their suffering to themselves. You can end up losing the reigns of your life over to strangers who can profit off of your suffering. It is better to die than become a slave to people arrogant and powerful enough to impose their self-righteousness on you. In the past, U.S. doctors said that the reason African slaves were running away was due to a disease. People will say anything to get what they want out of a situation; the medical field is not above humanity's self-centered desires. To any people who has yet to fall into such traps as this, never trust anyone who has an interest in you before they know who you are and where you came from. Their concern is not for you; it is for what you can provide them. Trust people who are indifferent to you as they can grow to care about you whereas the people who implement "form 1" are more likely to settle with the agenda they had coming into this situation. This is a sick world and everyone deserves healing, but help will never truly come from wolves in shepards clothing. This is only the wolf's way of justifying dehumanizing you enough to take advantage of your circumstances.
Psychiatry is a dangerous pseudoscience that stigmatizes and controls people for profit. Really sick mentally deranged people who work in this industry. This is a business not health care.
Hi there, please explain why you are saying this. Were you or someone you know was admitted to the hospital? I am asking because I am about to do a form 2 for a family member. I need to know what exactly happens to a person once the are admitted to a psychiatric hospital. Do they really help the patients or do they just push drugs on them? Can family members see them and have contact with patients?
Is it bad for someone to go there in Canada? Can they be normal again or is it a stigma getting jobs, how badly does it affect a person going there?
This is wrong...so very wrong. Allowing those whom are well aware of their symptoms, diagnosis and triggers not to "accept" the process of a disorder bestowed upon them mostly thru abuse/neglect or pathology, unaware nor unable to conciously at the time to protect themselves for a struggle they were never prepared for....not be given a voice to say "hey I'm ok..I'm just having a moment ...whatever that moment is...let me go thru my process I'll be ok I was triggered ..please" and be taken away by brutal force by police who only has a weekend course in psychology to make that accessment of whether to detain me for 72 in a Psychiatric facility... I'd go on.... just know you have no idea what you are talking about....Ontario's Mental Health System is broken and this Form One takes the Free Will of ppl away..period and when questioned as to your treatment ....you cannot get an answer...not thru Hospital's Patient Relations Co Ordinator..you can file a report..as far as it goes..never see it thru..just file a report..how useless....so just so you know an individual can have their Human Rights violated, the Mental Health Act ..VIOLATED!! and their Patients Rights VIOLATED!!!....NOTHING will be done, reported, even recognized...not even thru the CMHA....why? Well they are the ones who support the weekend course ...they just recently posted opening Firefighters.. so I'm telling you all this so you know questions will go unanswered or be justified... because you will be treated poorly, filled will alot of bad heavy drugs you don't require, and likely blackout... animalistic really... This is wrong..very wrong!!!! Know your story please.
Hi Rachel! In this video we are just explaining the law as it is written. We agree the system is very broken. It is lacking resources and does not always function as it should. There are many areas that require significant improvement.
One minor point of clarification: the police do have authority to bring a person to a hospital, but only a physician can sign the Form 1 to detain a person for up to 72 hours. The police are not allowed to sign the Form 1.
I am about to do a form 2 for a family member. Do you advice against it? It seems you went through this and it was not positive. Please explain the whole process and do the patient get any help at all or just a useless system?