One of the big advantages any company 3D printing loco bodies, or similar, is that they don‘t have to hold large stocks of the items they sell - once they have the relevant .sdl files, then printing to order, or very short print runs, is relatively straightforward.
Some of the stuff 3d printed for 009 is astonishingly good and the detail rivals that I had from rtr 10-20yo. Plus it’s affordable, I can’t drop 150-250 on a loco rtr but 30 for a 3d printed body and 20 for a motorised chassis makes it accessible
Definitely food for thought. I wonder if there's a chance of a cottage industry about to explode onto the scene who provide a 'ready-to-run' series using 3D prints, fitting the chassis and doing all the painting (possibly even producing wire hand rails, etc.) for either those locos, coaches, etc. not catered for through the main manufacturers or, indeed, in competition with them on simpler to make items (I would imagine mass produced would always be cheaper than hand-finished). Certainly, there could be markets like TT:120 that would be extremely low-hanging fruit for 3D printed and 'finished' models for those of us not too confident in our modelling skills to source and fit chassis/paint/glaze, etc. Such models could even go for quite a premium price for those of us impatient to see our faves produced in a particular scale.
Great Craig Gladstone does look good.I got one but asked Tom to paint and weather mine,he has done a fantastic job. His range of 3D printed items and figures are amazing. As you say 3D printing has changed model railways.😂
I would get onboard an unpainted ready to assemble version of a model if it encouraged saving a few pennies. Lots of models get kitbashed and repainted anyway, so it might encourage more people to choose the name and number of each engine they want.
I do see a future in it .I think its better for steam than diesel due to the easier painting of basic small freight shunting locos.As a modeller it does tick many boxes .
Like how Glanstone came out after a bit of Rub 'n' Buff, you definitely not wasted your time 😂 but 3D Printing is always amazing and impressive and love to see a manufacturer do a 3D Printed range. Great video
I've been selling 3d printed wagons for just over a year now and there are two major issues I have run into. 1, It's extremely hard to scale due to the amount of manual labor required. 2, people in the hobby have a lot of misconceptions about 3d printing which make it a pretty hard sell, The two major up sides I have found are 1, I can do custom orders which would be impossible for Injection molds pretty easily, (want different doors on a box wagon? no problem, give me 3 days and done) 2, If there's an issue with a model that I didn't find during prototyping I can fix it without having to scrap a £10,000 injection mold. I don't think 3d printing as it is now will ever be more than a prototyping tool for the big manufacturers, however with the new machines currently on the horizon (Metal printers, circuit printers and full colour 3d printers) I think it has the potential to completely change the industry.
@@IronHorseRailways Most technical University's already have Circuit printers and full colour 3d printers (mostly the StrataSys J55), they currently sit at around £15,000 which is around what resin printers cost in 2006 so I'd say about ten years at the most before they're attainable by the average hobbyist . I do N Gauge stock, mostly BR steam era (box vans, mineral wagons etc.) Hopefully I'll be expanding the range soon with sea-cows, Alcan tanks and other more modern stuff. I've also got about 20 other wagon that I haven't got round to listing since it's not just the wagons that need made, it's all the painting jigs and packaging templates that go with them. Currently haven't set up any socials for it beyond an eBay shop and an empty Facebook page, I really need to get on top of that.
Another thoughtful piece Craig. I think you are on to something even if the RTR moulded guys don’t see the place, others will and a few copyrights could be challenged. With the exhaustive list of parts now shared for RTR there must be a great opportunity for chassis or components to be more widely marketed for the 3D modeller, this could replicate reality of the likes of the LMS 10000 which I think uses bogies from a Class 58 😉
cracking video mate, and the little loco looks great! To be honest, I would agree with the fun aspect of the 3d kits. majority of my OO9 stock is 3d prints from Budget model railways, or Jelly models.
I am Canadian and engines and rolling stock I have has been built from kit's. What isn't available in kit form I have had to buy or take what I call sacrificial others from train show's and build what I want.
I've brought two 3d printed wagons from Sam's Trains I have Halloween pumpkin one and Christmas present one and use them for a bit of fun they run well, you can tell there 3d printed but that doesn't bother me. I like the idea of buy a 3d printed model that is already built and you could paint your self or for a little bit more money you can buy the 3d printed and already painted shell and then go and find the chassis and the other bit your self.
I would buy 3d printed locos and stock if they were designed to fit RTR chassis. Using spray cans; I resprayed a brand new EFE 02 tank with a rattle can from Poundland. I was amazed, lovely wartime black Isle Of Wight "Shanklin."
Good save on the Party hat… I was poised to unleash comment hell!!! 😂 As for the Rub-n-buff, I’ve literally just finished videoing myself using it on my current TT120 3d printed build!! 🤪 obviously great minds think alike😂
Decades old way of doing things, this is just a new way of manufacturing something that's been around since... lets see, you could get a wills white metal body kit for several things designed to fit on a hornby chassis. Not solder needed just epoxy it together and paint it. You could also get golden arrow productions resin bodies for lots of things, again just clean up the resin castings and off you go onto a RTR chassis. GEM narrow gauge and N gauge and TT white metal body kits that also pop onto a ready to run chassis. Been around almost as long as mass market OO models have been around to supply the chassis.
Thanks Craig, she came out lovely. I've never seen the Rub n Buff used before but it's quite effective so I'll have to try that! Regarding bigger manufacturers using 3D printing, I don't think it's viable due to the cost and time. Gladstone took around 5 hours to print, plus cleaning and curing, but the same result could be produced in minutes by traditional plastic injection moulding - it's just kit that is out of the reach of small manufacturers like us. I can't see big manufacturers spending the time required to do it. What there is a market for is RTR chassis' without having to purchase a whole loco and stripping it down. Kato do very well with this. Their chassis' dominate the OO9 kit market and they're available for £20. If Hornby, Bachmann or Dapol came out with a few 0-4-0, 0-6-0 chassis' for say £30-£40 using their existing tooling, each specifically intended for the growing 3D printed chassis market they'd be very popular. They just can't won't make as much money as selling the whole thing, so I can't see it ever happening.
I am currently learning FreeCAD with the intention of 3D printing unique railway related buildings. As a hobby, I feel we are still at the early stages of where 3D printing can take us and I believe it is a valuable skillset to have as a modeller moving into the future. On another subject which we've touched on in the past, you have a product called 'Rub'n'Buff' stored in a room with a BDSM atmosphere about it. Anyone would surely be forgiven for wondering if there may have been an attempt at re-making a film called Goldmember. Maybe with a 'different' story line. Just asking for a friend.
It is great fun and very liberating to have an accessible tool to turn odoriferous goo into miniatures. However as you can see on the roof and the boiler with the stepping lines, large sweeping curves are the weakness of the printer, and the injection mould machine that the manufacturers use still has the last laugh. You can sand it but any rivet detail will make the task very difficult. But who knows what definition improvements will be here in 2 or 4 years time, printer screens are following Moore's Law but for pixels.
If used a resin printer you wouldn't get those steps but size more a limiting factor, mebbe a hybrid kit of filament and resin detail parts could be done
@@IronHorseRailways Here is an interesting review I watched a few days back: ua-cam.com/video/C_bda0DPzsI/v-deo.html The big take away for me was from about 9 mins onwards when he sang the praises of current printers being 14k and when linked to lower layer heights, they produce really good looking prints. Of course, in a commercial environment lower layer heights most likely means longer print times but that isn't a major factor for us hobbyists. I don't think the reviewer was a great fan of that printer in particular though, but it looked good to me.
@@grrfy this model is from a resin printer by the looks, but stepping is inherent to any process that prints one layer at a time. One layer's boundary is 0.3 millimetres inside the previous one because its a shallow curve, it will appear on the model. When making resin models for a kit they need to balance print time and printer resolution with the budget and production numbers, so this kit was probably printed at the standard 0.05mm layer height. IMO filament printers are unsuitable for making rolling stock, and those models will look shit next to the injection moulded stock. Resin models it is much harder to distinguish them.
Nice job with Gladstone. 3d printing is a godsend for my set up, be it the cantilever catenary masts for the NR series stuff,built a class 323 kit , CMAC class 195 2 car dmu ive got on the go is a ;vely kit - fair challenge to power it etc , recently completed set of ika megafrets intermodal twinsets, about to start on some JNA elano box wagons, some £48-55 rtr from revolution - £20 as a 3d print kit, seen some very nice 3d print HRA DB cargo aggregate wagons (bachmann have just launched a rtr version at £70) the kit is £35, the ability to cut costs dramatically / sack rtr manufacturers off is becoming the main game in town, last week you asked are manufacturers leaving people behind, its quite the opposite we are leaving them behind. The vast array of scenic parts / figures is superb. We are at the start of a long journey with 3d print & its only get going to get better as the years pass. Kit building /kit bashing has always been the bedrock of 00 be it the days of MTK /MJT / Southern Pride , Shawplan / Craftsman, as the technology changes so does the medium we use , evolving from white metal / sheet brass / cast resin.
Not into steam, but a nice video. If you reversed the 2 box vans the eye would be fooled by minimal height difference. You did a great job on the detailing and was it me or was the firebox doors open?. You could put flame effect led inside?. As for calling Gladstone she, her etc. I guess that’s ok in the world we live in today. Good job Craig!
In the plastic model world 3-d printing is everywhere now - Companies like Eduard and Artitec print their masters , but then clean them up to remove the layers, followed by a production run in polyurethane resin - I am not sure whether it is because of the print layers or just the time to print vs a resin casting pour for medium sized production runs. It may just be the cost of running a print farm that has made it easier to cast the finished item. At present 3-D Printing is brilliant for one-offs and low volume production. While I'd like to play with a 3-d printer, I fear it would be used for a few weeks then left on one side when I failed to clean and maintain it properly ( Airbrush flashbacks - my fault I cheaped out on the paint)
I'm not so sure man, it won't happen over night... I need to investigate this more!🤣🤣 Fine scale custom stuff is probably an ideal candidate though, as you say
Ooooooo…… how about buying an expensive detailed wagon or coach and take it apart, scan and print it?. Let major manufacturers spend all the time and money making it and then rip them off for a change. You’d have to remove the wheels and buy new, but that’s not expensive. Problem….. paying for the scanner, 3d printer and the software…… but those large rakes you can’t afford to buy could come within reach. And not breaching copyright if not being sold on. How’s that for an idea?.
As an idea for own personal use then it's quite clever. In theory - however in reality a lot of the finer details wouldn't print so well with 3D printing so, there's gonna be some work involved it getting it right - but scanning a basic wagon chassis and body and adding detail parts later wouldn't be too difficult at all!
Great video Craig got a anycubic mono 2 3d printer for my Christmas awesome what I can print at a third of the cost just get an stl from cg trader,cult,mini factory bottle of resin £15 upwords it absolutely nuts what I could print cheers 🍺🍺🍺
How difficult was it to get going with the fist prints mate? I'm really considering getting a resin set up, and just designing and printing my own railway items
Not that difficult get the stl file download it to a file then open it on whats called a slicer anycubic i have support object save to a flash drive no more than 16gb I am a novice at computer my printer was under 200 quid I watch a guy from Australia once in a six side comical chap good info Craig he does table top miniatures goes through what printers and resins are good
Theres just one detail, 3D printing is great as a tool, however you cannot yet 3d print a working useable chassis, so you are dependant on those manufacturers still . But for less common engines and rolling stock not to mention scenery/buildings then 3D printing is certainly a good option to consider
@@IronHorseRailways Perhaps there might be a market for custom chassis, possibly using a mix of off the shelf wheels, axels motors and so on with etched or laser cut nickel or brass parts for each unique design
First time I'd heard of rub n buff. That might work for areas on bigger models, where the paint could have worn off, revealing the aluminium underneath!
I can't say I've ever seen the movie. I know the song though. That Gladstone kit looks like a nice unit. I've only ever tackled wagons on a 3D printer oh and a couple of very early locos which were not so good.😢 Cheers!
Depends on the quality of the printer and the file too, but once it's right - it's a beautiful thing - if this was ready to run it would have cost me £200+ This whole build has cost me less than £100 😍😍😍
Ive got to get one of those kits. I did see an Electrotren chassis for around £30 on Ebay so not impossible, itd be fun to do a Colonel Stephens line with one as I find those lines fascinating. I'd definitely go for it if Hornby did a 3D Printed range as thatd be another part of the market covered and I know they've got a serioudly hi tech printer. It'd mesn things could be printed to order just by loading up the file. Id say thd technology is 90% there, the knlt thingbis keeping the prints out of direct sunlight before painting and finishing as they go brittle otherwise. But then if you have your own printer then you can just print another one.
Give it a go mate, I'm seriously considering it - you can get a decent printer for the same price as a single sound loco these days so... We shall see!
Not at the moment, but what's stopping us from doing it at home? Pepsi didn't believe they needed to advertise back in the 80s - Coca-Cola did and look at them now? Coke SMASHES pepsi everywhere, Coke has even become a generalised term for Pepsi and other colas! 3D could easily do the same!
@@IronHorseRailways Like I said, not at the moment! I've got a 3d printer and tbh it's a lot of work to( faff) plus the tech moves so fast it was practically obsolete the day I bought it. I'm sure eventually there will be a time when the large manufacturing companies adopt 3d printing for production of RTR products full scale but there will still be a place for the cottage industry doing one offs, print to order and very small runs. We live in interesting time my friend. Loved the video
Great video , would be great if the manufacturers made kits again. I think triang did loco kits for a few years ago. Where can you buy this kit? Thanks.
Would Bachmann or Hornby do 3D kits maybe but unlikely. For them it would be like competing with themselves by having two versions of the same loco at different price points also would increase manufacturing costs by producing the same loco twice The choice would be either become a ready to run manufacturer or a kit only manufacturer then it would go down which would bring in the most profit. The problem at present with 3D kits is the chassis part if you want to have the correct one you will find it hard to find one it's often cheaper to buy a second hand loco than the part so defeating the object. Lastly would it be really that much cheaper if the manufacturer had to supply the chasing with the kit?
Peco do kits and ready to run, so do Dapol, they both have their customer sets so.. I'm not too sure if they'd be competing with themselves but I understand your point mate.
Someone should take existing models and just scan the bodies so that you can use your existing chassis's and just swap bodies. You can paint them to whatever livery you desire and just swap them as you feel or need. I doubt the manufacturers can do anything about it as they were only copying the real locos themselves!
3D printing is definitely adding to the hobby. The only thing I wonder about is how long the print will last, older 3d prints have been known to fall apart after a time or will a lot of use. It also depends on the resin/filament you use. Wasn’t 3d printing known as rapid prototyping originally? Still it will probably bring more younger people into the hobby where they can use their computer skills to print instead of physical modelling. I think the manufacturers would be worried if the scanning tech kept up with the printing tech.
Disagree because nobody (as opposed to manufacturers) is making chassis and motions for there 3d printed bodies. I'm sure it will happen eventually and even then a lot of people don't want the hassle of building up a kit, or buying a printer and doing it from scratch., it is definitely a boon for a modeling something that is or has never been produced by manufacturers but you are still restricted by available chassis that are on the market.
Thats the thing though, I'm confident you could use any or most available chassis and 3D print something to suit - that's what's been done here and it works great!
@@IronHorseRailways which means you need to buy a bare chassis with the correct wheel arrangement and spacing and motion (usually metal) which probably won't match the prototype (040s and 060s not really a problem) or buy an existing model second hand and still working) of said prototype and then print a more detailed version, very doable . The other downside is that the 3d print will be weaker/fragile. Yes there's a good and growing market for these models. Not been a naysayer just looking at the problems that exist at this time but I'm sure it will only get better with technology and those willing to push the envelope.
One thing we REALLY need is more kits, some of the all-time best kits are the Rosebud Kitmaster kits, entirely plastic, easy to assemble, and designed in such a way that they can be treated as rolling stock, external company Perfecta took this in stride and produced motorisation kits for 4 of these kits (Pug, Italian 0-6-0, Prairie, Battle of Britain), an alternative to that is simply pushing them with another powered unit, be it either by another locomotive or with a special motorised wagon (something Kitmaster themselves actually produced for their models, of which I own one to run with my Kitmaster pug!) An approach similar to that would be great for budget modellers, cheap plastic loco kits which can be treated like rolling stock and run in double headers or with a powered wagon, provide infinite customisation possibilities, so on, so forth Is it worth mentioning that Dapol still produces these kits now? I’ve motorised a couple Prairie tanks on junked Triang chassis’s…
@@Hacksworth_Sidings an idea just occurred to me, what about an online collective shop for all the cottage industry 3d rail modellers, I'm sure this will help them out not only in sales and wider recognition and maybe some clout within the wider industry, also helps prospective customers with a one stop service
One of the big advantages any company 3D printing loco bodies, or similar, is that they don‘t have to hold large stocks of the items they sell - once they have the relevant .sdl files, then printing to order, or very short print runs, is relatively straightforward.
Some of the stuff 3d printed for 009 is astonishingly good and the detail rivals that I had from rtr 10-20yo. Plus it’s affordable, I can’t drop 150-250 on a loco rtr but 30 for a 3d printed body and 20 for a motorised chassis makes it accessible
Definitely food for thought. I wonder if there's a chance of a cottage industry about to explode onto the scene who provide a 'ready-to-run' series using 3D prints, fitting the chassis and doing all the painting (possibly even producing wire hand rails, etc.) for either those locos, coaches, etc. not catered for through the main manufacturers or, indeed, in competition with them on simpler to make items (I would imagine mass produced would always be cheaper than hand-finished). Certainly, there could be markets like TT:120 that would be extremely low-hanging fruit for 3D printed and 'finished' models for those of us not too confident in our modelling skills to source and fit chassis/paint/glaze, etc. Such models could even go for quite a premium price for those of us impatient to see our faves produced in a particular scale.
Interesting idea tbh, cost would be a big factor tbh
Great Craig Gladstone does look good.I got one but asked Tom to paint and weather mine,he has done a fantastic job. His range of 3D printed items and figures are amazing. As you say 3D printing has changed model railways.😂
Enjoy it mate!😍
I would get onboard an unpainted ready to assemble version of a model if it encouraged saving a few pennies. Lots of models get kitbashed and repainted anyway, so it might encourage more people to choose the name and number of each engine they want.
That's a good idea tbh
I do see a future in it .I think its better for steam than diesel due to the easier painting of basic small freight shunting locos.As a modeller it does tick many boxes .
Like how Glanstone came out after a bit of Rub 'n' Buff, you definitely not wasted your time 😂 but 3D Printing is always amazing and impressive and love to see a manufacturer do a 3D Printed range. Great video
Yes mate - it's got a lot of potential, interesting times ahead for sure!
Great video as usual
I've been selling 3d printed wagons for just over a year now and there are two major issues I have run into. 1, It's extremely hard to scale due to the amount of manual labor required. 2, people in the hobby have a lot of misconceptions about 3d printing which make it a pretty hard sell,
The two major up sides I have found are 1, I can do custom orders which would be impossible for Injection molds pretty easily, (want different doors on a box wagon? no problem, give me 3 days and done) 2, If there's an issue with a model that I didn't find during prototyping I can fix it without having to scrap a £10,000 injection mold.
I don't think 3d printing as it is now will ever be more than a prototyping tool for the big manufacturers, however with the new machines currently on the horizon (Metal printers, circuit printers and full colour 3d printers) I think it has the potential to completely change the industry.
That's a good point mate, it's developing so fast now .. five years? Sooner?
Also what wagons do you make? Feel free to share your details!
@@IronHorseRailways Most technical University's already have Circuit printers and full colour 3d printers (mostly the StrataSys J55), they currently sit at around £15,000 which is around what resin printers cost in 2006 so I'd say about ten years at the most before they're attainable by the average hobbyist .
I do N Gauge stock, mostly BR steam era (box vans, mineral wagons etc.) Hopefully I'll be expanding the range soon with sea-cows, Alcan tanks and other more modern stuff. I've also got about 20 other wagon that I haven't got round to listing since it's not just the wagons that need made, it's all the painting jigs and packaging templates that go with them. Currently haven't set up any socials for it beyond an eBay shop and an empty Facebook page, I really need to get on top of that.
Brilliant, this is how my dad did it, scratch and kit and modifying. Well done you
I know - actual modelling!!!😮😮😮😮
Another thoughtful piece Craig. I think you are on to something even if the RTR moulded guys don’t see the place, others will and a few copyrights could be challenged. With the exhaustive list of parts now shared for RTR there must be a great opportunity for chassis or components to be more widely marketed for the 3D modeller, this could replicate reality of the likes of the LMS 10000 which I think uses bogies from a Class 58 😉
As daft as it sounds, I never even considered the possibility of bogie components!♥️
cracking video mate, and the little loco looks great! To be honest, I would agree with the fun aspect of the 3d kits. majority of my OO9 stock is 3d prints from Budget model railways, or Jelly models.
Brilliant video Iron Horse Railways
Cheers bud
I am Canadian and engines and rolling stock I have has been built from kit's.
What isn't available in kit form I have had to buy or take what I call sacrificial others from train show's and build what I want.
I've brought two 3d printed wagons from Sam's Trains I have Halloween pumpkin one and Christmas present one and use them for a bit of fun they run well, you can tell there 3d printed but that doesn't bother me. I like the idea of buy a 3d printed model that is already built and you could paint your self or for a little bit more money you can buy the 3d printed and already painted shell and then go and find the chassis and the other bit your self.
A lot of potential I think...
Cool! Nice to see my local railway in the background (Bodmin and wenford)😀
I would buy 3d printed locos and stock if they were designed to fit RTR chassis.
Using spray cans; I resprayed a brand new EFE 02 tank with a rattle can from Poundland. I was amazed, lovely wartime black Isle Of Wight "Shanklin."
Most 3D printed locomotives and stock "are'" designed for RTR chassis!
Good save on the Party hat… I was poised to unleash comment hell!!! 😂
As for the Rub-n-buff, I’ve literally just finished videoing myself using it on my current TT120 3d printed build!! 🤪 obviously great minds think alike😂
poise ye not!!🤣
Yes RnN is good stuff mate!😀
Decades old way of doing things, this is just a new way of manufacturing something that's been around since... lets see, you could get a wills white metal body kit for several things designed to fit on a hornby chassis. Not solder needed just epoxy it together and paint it.
You could also get golden arrow productions resin bodies for lots of things, again just clean up the resin castings and off you go onto a RTR chassis.
GEM narrow gauge and N gauge and TT white metal body kits that also pop onto a ready to run chassis.
Been around almost as long as mass market OO models have been around to supply the chassis.
Yup! It's the new age version mate, bit good ain't it?😀😀
@@IronHorseRailways good as it ever was, the detail snobs were always on the case with it but meh, the fun had is the most important detail they miss
Got the 0 gauge one to sort out.
Oooh!!! That'll be impressive mate!😍😍
Thanks Craig, she came out lovely. I've never seen the Rub n Buff used before but it's quite effective so I'll have to try that! Regarding bigger manufacturers using 3D printing, I don't think it's viable due to the cost and time. Gladstone took around 5 hours to print, plus cleaning and curing, but the same result could be produced in minutes by traditional plastic injection moulding - it's just kit that is out of the reach of small manufacturers like us. I can't see big manufacturers spending the time required to do it.
What there is a market for is RTR chassis' without having to purchase a whole loco and stripping it down. Kato do very well with this. Their chassis' dominate the OO9 kit market and they're available for £20. If Hornby, Bachmann or Dapol came out with a few 0-4-0, 0-6-0 chassis' for say £30-£40 using their existing tooling, each specifically intended for the growing 3D printed chassis market they'd be very popular. They just can't won't make as much money as selling the whole thing, so I can't see it ever happening.
Nice idea the rtr chassis!😍
@@IronHorseRailways Also check out the Tomy PowerChassis which dominate in Japan and the Bandai Shorty powerchassis for some useful bits
Great video, and a fabulous result with the 3D loco. Looks great. Nice to see my local heritage railway on the TV too!!
Yeah I often have some sort of gala footage in the background when pottering about the place :)
I am currently learning FreeCAD with the intention of 3D printing unique railway related buildings. As a hobby, I feel we are still at the early stages of where 3D printing can take us and I believe it is a valuable skillset to have as a modeller moving into the future.
On another subject which we've touched on in the past, you have a product called 'Rub'n'Buff' stored in a room with a BDSM atmosphere about it. Anyone would surely be forgiven for wondering if there may have been an attempt at re-making a film called Goldmember. Maybe with a 'different' story line. Just asking for a friend.
🤣🤣 yes yes.. it's good for polishing knobs too!😮
It is great fun and very liberating to have an accessible tool to turn odoriferous goo into miniatures. However as you can see on the roof and the boiler with the stepping lines, large sweeping curves are the weakness of the printer, and the injection mould machine that the manufacturers use still has the last laugh. You can sand it but any rivet detail will make the task very difficult. But who knows what definition improvements will be here in 2 or 4 years time, printer screens are following Moore's Law but for pixels.
This is what I'm saying, I know fully that it's not perfect yet - BUT - it's developing rapidly!
If used a resin printer you wouldn't get those steps but size more a limiting factor, mebbe a hybrid kit of filament and resin detail parts could be done
@@IronHorseRailways Here is an interesting review I watched a few days back: ua-cam.com/video/C_bda0DPzsI/v-deo.html The big take away for me was from about 9 mins onwards when he sang the praises of current printers being 14k and when linked to lower layer heights, they produce really good looking prints. Of course, in a commercial environment lower layer heights most likely means longer print times but that isn't a major factor for us hobbyists. I don't think the reviewer was a great fan of that printer in particular though, but it looked good to me.
@@grrfy this model is from a resin printer by the looks, but stepping is inherent to any process that prints one layer at a time. One layer's boundary is 0.3 millimetres inside the previous one because its a shallow curve, it will appear on the model.
When making resin models for a kit they need to balance print time and printer resolution with the budget and production numbers, so this kit was probably printed at the standard 0.05mm layer height.
IMO filament printers are unsuitable for making rolling stock, and those models will look shit next to the injection moulded stock. Resin models it is much harder to distinguish them.
Nice job with Gladstone. 3d printing is a godsend for my set up, be it the cantilever catenary masts for the NR series stuff,built a class 323 kit , CMAC class 195 2 car dmu ive got on the go is a ;vely kit - fair challenge to power it etc , recently completed set of ika megafrets intermodal twinsets, about to start on some JNA elano box wagons, some £48-55 rtr from revolution - £20 as a 3d print kit, seen some very nice 3d print HRA DB cargo aggregate wagons (bachmann have just launched a rtr version at £70) the kit is £35, the ability to cut costs dramatically / sack rtr manufacturers off is becoming the main game in town, last week you asked are manufacturers leaving people behind, its quite the opposite we are leaving them behind. The vast array of scenic parts / figures is superb. We are at the start of a long journey with 3d print & its only get going to get better as the years pass. Kit building /kit bashing has always been the bedrock of 00 be it the days of MTK /MJT / Southern Pride , Shawplan / Craftsman, as the technology changes so does the medium we use , evolving from white metal / sheet brass / cast resin.
Great model, the “coal load” looks great. Not to glossy but very detailed 😂
Nice one...
Great video the Gladstone loco looks really good great job and a good idea 👍
Not into steam, but a nice video. If you reversed the 2 box vans the eye would be fooled by minimal height difference. You did a great job on the detailing and was it me or was the firebox doors open?. You could put flame effect led inside?. As for calling Gladstone she, her etc. I guess that’s ok in the world we live in today. Good job Craig!
Aye the door is open mate, a call back to the film, there's a chicken lives inside it 🤣
@@IronHorseRailways roast chicken or put the bacon on the shovel and wait for the egg 😝
In the plastic model world 3-d printing is everywhere now - Companies like Eduard and Artitec print their masters , but then clean them up to remove the layers, followed by a production run in polyurethane resin - I am not sure whether it is because of the print layers or just the time to print vs a resin casting pour for medium sized production runs. It may just be the cost of running a print farm that has made it easier to cast the finished item. At present 3-D Printing is brilliant for one-offs and low volume production. While I'd like to play with a 3-d printer, I fear it would be used for a few weeks then left on one side when I failed to clean and maintain it properly ( Airbrush flashbacks - my fault I cheaped out on the paint)
lovely model. And think, 3D printing is only going to get better and better. Excellent video matey
Cheers bud, I agree fully - 3D printing would cause issues for the big boys if they don't embrace it .
in answer to the question, no, 3D printed kits will not kill the manufacturers, it will put a dent in their "fine scale" models.
I'm not so sure man, it won't happen over night... I need to investigate this more!🤣🤣
Fine scale custom stuff is probably an ideal candidate though, as you say
Ooooooo…… how about buying an expensive detailed wagon or coach and take it apart, scan and print it?. Let major manufacturers spend all the time and money making it and then rip them off for a change. You’d have to remove the wheels and buy new, but that’s not expensive. Problem….. paying for the scanner, 3d printer and the software…… but those large rakes you can’t afford to buy could come within reach. And not breaching copyright if not being sold on. How’s that for an idea?.
As an idea for own personal use then it's quite clever. In theory - however in reality a lot of the finer details wouldn't print so well with 3D printing so, there's gonna be some work involved it getting it right - but scanning a basic wagon chassis and body and adding detail parts later wouldn't be too difficult at all!
@@IronHorseRailways right all I need is a scanner, 3d printer, 3d software, a computer ……and…..damn it don’t have a decent wagon 😂 😂 😂
Great video Craig got a anycubic mono 2 3d printer for my Christmas awesome what I can print at a third of the cost just get an stl from cg trader,cult,mini factory bottle of resin £15 upwords it absolutely nuts what I could print cheers 🍺🍺🍺
How difficult was it to get going with the fist prints mate?
I'm really considering getting a resin set up, and just designing and printing my own railway items
Not that difficult get the stl file download it to a file then open it on whats called a slicer anycubic i have support object save to a flash drive no more than 16gb I am a novice at computer my printer was under 200 quid I watch a guy from Australia once in a six side comical chap good info Craig he does table top miniatures goes through what printers and resins are good
Theres just one detail, 3D printing is great as a tool, however you cannot yet 3d print a working useable chassis, so you are dependant on those manufacturers still . But for less common engines and rolling stock not to mention scenery/buildings then 3D printing is certainly a good option to consider
For now you're right mate 😉
@@IronHorseRailways Perhaps there might be a market for custom chassis, possibly using a mix of off the shelf wheels, axels motors and so on with etched or laser cut nickel or brass parts for each unique design
First time I'd heard of rub n buff. That might work for areas on bigger models, where the paint could have worn off, revealing the aluminium underneath!
That's what I've used the graphite colour for mate, on edges etc looks brilliant in person, camera doesn't pick up the subtle tones too well sadly
I can't say I've ever seen the movie. I know the song though.
That Gladstone kit looks like a nice unit.
I've only ever tackled wagons on a 3D printer oh and a couple of very early locos which were not so good.😢
Cheers!
Depends on the quality of the printer and the file too, but once it's right - it's a beautiful thing - if this was ready to run it would have cost me £200+
This whole build has cost me less than £100 😍😍😍
Ive got to get one of those kits. I did see an Electrotren chassis for around £30 on Ebay so not impossible, itd be fun to do a Colonel Stephens line with one as I find those lines fascinating. I'd definitely go for it if Hornby did a 3D Printed range as thatd be another part of the market covered and I know they've got a serioudly hi tech printer. It'd mesn things could be printed to order just by loading up the file. Id say thd technology is 90% there, the knlt thingbis keeping the prints out of direct sunlight before painting and finishing as they go brittle otherwise. But then if you have your own printer then you can just print another one.
Give it a go mate, I'm seriously considering it - you can get a decent printer for the same price as a single sound loco these days so... We shall see!
3d prints are great for small runs but can't be scaled to the quantity required by larger manufacturers at the moment.
Not at the moment, but what's stopping us from doing it at home?
Pepsi didn't believe they needed to advertise back in the 80s - Coca-Cola did and look at them now?
Coke SMASHES pepsi everywhere, Coke has even become a generalised term for Pepsi and other colas!
3D could easily do the same!
@@IronHorseRailways Like I said, not at the moment! I've got a 3d printer and tbh it's a lot of work to( faff) plus the tech moves so fast it was practically obsolete the day I bought it. I'm sure eventually there will be a time when the large manufacturing companies adopt 3d printing for production of RTR products full scale but there will still be a place for the cottage industry doing one offs, print to order and very small runs.
We live in interesting time my friend.
Loved the video
Great video , would be great if the manufacturers made kits again. I think triang did loco kits for a few years ago. Where can you buy this kit? Thanks.
You can get it from Buggleskelly station by Tom Marshall:)
Google it!
Thanks
Would Bachmann or Hornby do 3D kits maybe but unlikely. For them it would be like competing with themselves by having two versions of the same loco at different price points also would increase manufacturing costs by producing the same loco twice The choice would be either become a ready to run manufacturer or a kit only manufacturer then it would go down which would bring in the most profit. The problem at present with 3D kits is the chassis part if you want to have the correct one you will find it hard to find one it's often cheaper to buy a second hand loco than the part so defeating the object. Lastly would it be really that much cheaper if the manufacturer had to supply the chasing with the kit?
The last part should read: if the manufacturer had to supply a chassis. I can't seem to edit on UA-cam.
Peco do kits and ready to run, so do Dapol, they both have their customer sets so.. I'm not too sure if they'd be competing with themselves but I understand your point mate.
got caught doing rub n' buff too many times when I was a wee lad. now 'm banned from it. 😄😄😂😂😂😆💀
🤣🤣 eyesight gone as well a bit, has it Ray??🤣
Someone should take existing models and just scan the bodies so that you can use your existing chassis's and just swap bodies. You can paint them to whatever livery you desire and just swap them as you feel or need. I doubt the manufacturers can do anything about it as they were only copying the real locos themselves!
There's a potential copyright issue with that I believe but, not sure!🤫
@@IronHorseRailways removing any manufacturers names and numbers would fix that, but you are correct! 🫤
@@Podgeman-rb_12 i kinda wanna give it a try tbh🤣
@@IronHorseRailwaysI would'nt tell anyone if you did! 🤣
3D printing is definitely adding to the hobby. The only thing I wonder about is how long the print will last, older 3d prints have been known to fall apart after a time or will a lot of use. It also depends on the resin/filament you use. Wasn’t 3d printing known as rapid prototyping originally? Still it will probably bring more younger people into the hobby where they can use their computer skills to print instead of physical modelling. I think the manufacturers would be worried if the scanning tech kept up with the printing tech.
Disagree because nobody (as opposed to manufacturers) is making chassis and motions for there 3d printed bodies. I'm sure it will happen eventually and even then a lot of people don't want the hassle of building up a kit, or buying a printer and doing it from scratch., it is definitely a boon for a modeling something that is or has never been produced by manufacturers but you are still restricted by available chassis that are on the market.
Thats the thing though, I'm confident you could use any or most available chassis and 3D print something to suit - that's what's been done here and it works great!
@@IronHorseRailways which means you need to buy a bare chassis with the correct wheel arrangement and spacing and motion (usually metal) which probably won't match the prototype (040s and 060s not really a problem) or buy an existing model second hand and still working) of said prototype and then print a more detailed version, very doable . The other downside is that the 3d print will be weaker/fragile. Yes there's a good and growing market for these models. Not been a naysayer just looking at the problems that exist at this time but I'm sure it will only get better with technology and those willing to push the envelope.
@@markrutlidge5427 i reckon its doable... I really need to look further into this!😍
One thing we REALLY need is more kits, some of the all-time best kits are the Rosebud Kitmaster kits, entirely plastic, easy to assemble, and designed in such a way that they can be treated as rolling stock, external company Perfecta took this in stride and produced motorisation kits for 4 of these kits (Pug, Italian 0-6-0, Prairie, Battle of Britain), an alternative to that is simply pushing them with another powered unit, be it either by another locomotive or with a special motorised wagon (something Kitmaster themselves actually produced for their models, of which I own one to run with my Kitmaster pug!)
An approach similar to that would be great for budget modellers, cheap plastic loco kits which can be treated like rolling stock and run in double headers or with a powered wagon, provide infinite customisation possibilities, so on, so forth
Is it worth mentioning that Dapol still produces these kits now? I’ve motorised a couple Prairie tanks on junked Triang chassis’s…
@@Hacksworth_Sidings an idea just occurred to me, what about an online collective shop for all the cottage industry 3d rail modellers, I'm sure this will help them out not only in sales and wider recognition and maybe some clout within the wider industry, also helps prospective customers with a one stop service
I think, sorry, I know you are over simplifying 3D printing.
It's okay, don't apologise!
(Yes I'm aware 3D printing is fairly complicated, but it's far from the black art everyone makes it out to be!)
Dont know if 3 d prints for diesel locos will work unless you can do the bogies and chassis.
A basic bogie with attachable frames would work, kinda how Heljan did their bogies :)