@@childishboyo5215they are running on a ghost crew after one of their staffers was solicting teens in the forums last year and anyone with ethics left when it came to light
nope it reads more like "pajeets who don't know english can just use chatgpt to cook up a script just like how they use ai to get diploma mil degrees then get into coding"
@HSE331 bro what? You do know that writing challenges aren't exclusive to the English language, right? "Pajeet" will just apply to a challenge in his own language or do his best in the English competition. Either is absolutely fine.
I joined nano a year ago, right before the grooming drama blew up. I thought it was just gonna be a specialized forum for people to compare notes about their stories & writing process...suffice to say, I left in short order.
The next time some AI bro presents you with the argument that "nothing is original" and AI is no different than fair use, point out that fair use is a doctrine intended to protect the copyrights of an artist, since the "tool" itself is not a piece of art, and its production line is uncopyrightable, arguments for fair use are null and void. They don't apply on either side of the equation. Creator or creation. What I love about this is how easily it demonstrates the logic, art is made by artists, and its replication is an artists right. So whether or not AI is "theft" it is most certainly not art.
@futurestoryteller it's also worth noting that fair use is a legal defense for copyright infringement like self defense for murder. In a lawsuit when you are claiming fair use you are saying "yes I did use this copyrighted material intentionally without permission, however I am not guilty/liable because I made a transformative work using this copyrighted material that is protected by fair use". Given how ai just scrapes everything without intention, it's hard to see they could fit the fair use requirements even if the production line could be copyrighted
@@futurestoryteller Fair use is a doctrine that *limits* the copyright of an artist, by defining circumstances in which the artist cannot rely on copyright to disallow said use. Without fair use, artists would have a stronger legal position. About the output of AI, AFAIK various lawsuits are still working their way to the courts, but the tendency goes indeed to consider it uncopyrightable.
@@rabiatorthegreat6163 Fair use is intended to allow a limited, "fair" use of portions of a work to allow discourse and critique around established elements of contemporary culture. Used correctly, it shouldn't harm an artist in any way. Only when it's abused and improperly enforced is it a bad thing.
the argument of "ai is too big to ignore, therefore you can't be mad at us for accepting it in our business" always means "we have financial gain in it. A HUGE ONE"
Claiming that disabled people can't be creative without AI is such an incredibly ableist take! There are already things like text to speech and grammar checks etc to help people in various ways, but generative AI has nothing to do without helping writers bring their ideas to page (sincerely, a disabled, very pissed off writer)
Also if you let AI write something then you didnt write it. it isnt yours. AI stories arent a tool, theyre the whole process. So noone can claim AI helps disabled people because thats literally not a support tool, it's just creating everything for you. at this point you didnt write shit to begin with.
As a disabled fanfic author who has been writing happily (and, according to my comment sections, pretty well) for almost 2 decades... I immediately cancelled my already long defunct NaNo account.
For the record, Professor, I'm friends with a number of habitual NaNo participants. Not a SINGLE one of them has been at all encouraged by or happy with this statement. I think the NaNo organization is making a massive, massive miscalculation based on sponsor money here.
Literally. The writing and reading spaces are (mostly, minus a few people) some of the most anti-AI spaces I've been in. I've never done NaNo but it's writer base are mostly progressive younger writers trying to get themselves known who are absolutely 100% against AI.
100%. I was planning on rejoining NaNo this November for the first time in years. Now.... ugh. I just want to take their writing group and run elsewhere
Pretty much everyone I follow who has regularly done nano has said they aren't doing it anymore after this nonsense (if they hadn't already ditched it because of the grooming stuff and the forums being closed). This is going to lose them way more than they could ever get from their shady AI sponsor
Seriously! I’m a disabled writer and I’ve participated in NaNoWriMo for 15+ years. It’s a huge part of my writing process but I’m done supporting and donating now. AI is a direct affront to my career, it learns and plagiarizes from actual writers’ works, and deeply impacts my ability to make a living. I’m sad they would take this stance, they clearly need to take the first BART out of Silicon Valley and go touch the grass in Dolores Park. And remember what the whole thing was about in the first place.
I've been really broken up about all the shit Nano has been pulling recently. I started doing Nano when I was in middle school and I graduated highschool in 2015. I feel so betrayed by the platform
I don't see this point brought enough. LLMs are very expensive! Some companies are offering access to them for cheap or free, but that is only a marketing tool to get people interested in and using them. The LLMs themselves exist for large companies with the resources to build and operate entire data centers just for generative AI to use to replace employees with genAI, or to sell the service to other companies so those other companies can replace employees with a genAI subscription.
Yeah. Bard and Google Docs are free. Like, why would anyone who was going to use AI not just use the free options? If it's because they're "not as good", but, like, isn't the point to have help? Not "perfection"? I think AI can definitely help you to write since you can ask it to rewrite something you've already written and then you can check for what reads better. It can allow you to be your own editor a little more easily since whatever the AI generated isn't directly from you. But using it to full on write a whole novel or paper without checking it is just...not helpful. For anyone.
This is an interesting political and philisophical paradox related to "pulling oneself up by one's bootstraps." (Although the "Bootstrap Paradox" is already a time travel paradox.) You wouldn't say it's discriminatory to assume a person without legs couldn't reach an item on the top shelf or get up the stairs without mechanical assistance. The paradox is the apparent inability to conjure a perfect balance in our judgment between when assistance is necessary and when it's a.. um... crutch. The problem with the above analogy is we're talking about simple mechanical tasks, willed by the participant. Creative artistry is a complex, and self-reflective task based around creativity. By NNWM own admission the purpose of a challenge is defeated if it can be accomplished instantly with as little user influence as possible. The challenge represents the task itself. Trying to come up with the excuse that it's just like any other tool, or assistance device is to devalue the entire purpose of the form.
ADDITIONALLY: Marginalized writers do not have as much content available for ChatGPT to steal, simply from the fact that their works have historically not been preserved as well! So what they're actually doing by sponsoring ChatGPT is encouraging marginalized writers to write more like straight white dudes. Just like how Dall-E and Midjourney are biased towards Pixar-style characters, ChatGPT does not have the capability to generate content that adheres to a marginalized point of view!
pretty much thr same thing ai bros have been saying about ai "art", that it makes it available for everyone no matter the skills and the money available. when the entry level tools are a pencil and a piece of paper.
This is like when Mitt Romney told us corporations are people. No. Absolutely not. It's such an absurd concept I can't even be bothered to argue against it. Just NO,
To be honest, I think some people like me who only logged in during November to track word count, had no idea about any other stuff. But I'm on Twitter, so I absolutely saw this. 🙃
*me wondering if I should reconsider the possibility of myself having dyslexia in addition to Autism and ADHD after I read “the straw HAT that broke the camel’s back” MULTIPLE TIMES* 😭
@abigailr.9601 well it would be heavier than just one straw.... Omg tho I hope you can get evaluated, if it's the case I bet it'd be such a relief to get it confirmed! I'm auDHD and trans so when I got my autism diagnosis and had my egg crack it was so nice to finally have explanations lol
Man, as a neurodivergent Native American, saying AI gives me "a better chance at representation" or whatever is exceptionally condescending. We have libraries, too. We have mom's we can coerce into reading our novellas. We're not solitary stone age weirdos writing See Spot Run on cave walls. You wanna help level the playing field? Give POC authors platforms, help dismantle the nepotism cesspool that is traditional publishing - don't just push some shitty AI sponsor and pretend you're "doing us a favor". Absolutely, and appallingly, typical bullshit.
@@thetinaexperience7000 not following your logic here. Why would I get into software development to dismantle nepotism in publishing? The problem isn't computers based, the problem is late stage capitalism and racism. I'm a writer, Jim, not a software engineer.
I can’t shake how their reasoning as to why condemning AI is ”ableist” sounds like they think helping disabled people means doing everything for them. No, man. Accessibility is about allowing people to be as independent as possible and not have their disability stand in the way of the things they want to do. An apartment-building is not ”accessible” to wheelchair users if someone still has to carry them from floor to floor. Accessibility is installing an elevator so they don’t have to live their lives restricted by whether someone is there to help them or not. You know, allowing them to be independent. Like, obviously everything they said is complete BS, but just the way they tried to frame it as if the use of AI makes writing accessible to those with disabilities (related to writing) is laughable. If you think you’re helping someone paint by taking their brush and paint instead of them, you’re not helping. In fact, you’re telling them they can’t learn to paint to begin with.
I literally worked with a quadriplegic author, writing was the thing he had the most direct control over in his life. If he were still alive he probably wouldn’t be a fan of the assertion that he would need AI to do his thinking for him. He accomplished SO much from his wheelchair, to think he couldn’t handle writing is absurd.
Crazy that NanoWriMo saw "Some people have difficulty writing with traditional tools." And thought, "Wel they'll have to write less with AI." And not "Let's back some technology that makes writing easier for them."
@jessArcade No kidding. I mean even if they were seeking sponsors, there's so many kinds of software and tools disabled writers might use to assist them. A partnership could help make people more aware that these tools exist! But I guess maybe those companies don't have the same promo budget as the AI companies :/
I follow a painter & photographer who is profoundly disabled. Nonspeaking, has difficulty reading, writing, and typing, requires 24/7 care, etc. Some of her photographs are jaw droppingly beautiful, even though most are just taken on walks in her yard/neighborhood with her caretaker. I had severe speech delays as a child and picked up art because it allowed me to express how I was feeling when I was unable to form my emotions into words. For many disabled people, art is a vital part of who we are.
To be fair I think that NaNoWriMo was primarily referring to writers with neurological disabilities but still the whole thing is a big huge pile of gaslighting and manipulative horse s**t on NaNoWriMo's part.
A couple of details to add here: 1. NaNo HQ is like 3 people, one is just a tech person who is I think a contractor, one is the intern who got promoted to "Communications Manager", and the third is the "Interim" Executive Director, Kilby Blades. Who is the one who updates the FAQs and we are pretty sure she wrote the AI garbage because it's her style. She's currently at RARE in Edinburgh. Her MO seems to be "post the worst take ever to the FAQ right before a weekend and then peace out", and then when she returns she complains that everything is being taken out of context and critics are being mean. (Insert vitriolic emu here.) 2. NaNoWriMo used to ALSO have 800+ volunteers organizing and running in-person meets during event months (and in some cases year-round) but now there are ZERO. I'd retired in 2020 (after 15 years), but basically the volunteers were given a new agreement that tries to put all the blame for anything that goes wrong on them, they expressed concerns, and everyone was unceremoniously removed as organizers and told to re-apply when the new onboarding process was announced as ready. There have since been noises about people going through this process, but we cannot find these mythical people anywhere. ("We" being myself and all the displaced volunteers. We have a FB group and Discords where we gather to discuss and to enjoy popcorn as we watch the flames. Because every time you think it can't get any worse, Kilby goes "hold my -beer- bourbon" and... you get the idea.)
@@snicketylemony It's not her real name, it's a pen name. Which she registered with the US copyright service, so her real name is publicly available for free. Kim Palacios is her real name.
Weren't the new events and forums supposed to be all 18+ (because you can't have grooming if you don't have minors /s) and the MLs and mods personally responsible for ensuring that nobody lied about their age, as well? And the process for getting reinstated as an ML required government documentation that was resulting in deadnaming? (Depsite Kilby herself being very against being referred to as Kim...) It's so hard to keep up with what's actually real and what's rumours (and the truth is often stranger than fiction) because being part of a region that covered half an empty state meant we were already out of the loop by the time the info got to us
omG yes! they closed down the forums which were the whole point and now no one wants to do NaNoWriMo anymore because of the awful stuff they said, they're gonna lost so much it's funny. it makes me a little sad as someone who grew up with NaNoWriMo but oh well...
@@anisa2273 it's crazy because I was going to try to participate last year but because of things that happened in my personal life I figured that I wouldn't be able to, but I didn't hear A THING about the grooming controversy and the last time I checked the forums for my city was back in 2022!!
Wild how in response to “do you condone AI?” they said “not allowing editing tools or text to speech programs is classist and ableist” Yeah no shit that’s not what anyone was talking about
That’s what’s called a Mott & Bailey fallacy. Propose some problematic thing and then when someone points out the BS pretend you’re defending a reasonable thing. It’s So annoying.
The irony that they go from saying “People who don’t support our sponsors are just virtue signaling” to saying the very next day “If you don’t support AI you are classist and ableist” is fucking wild bro.
When I participated in HS I didn't even know NaNoWriMo is a "corporation" I thought it's just a personal challenge. They're trying so hard to squeeze money out of people writing short stories.
Yep, it was something that was supposed to be a fun, personal challenge (and a great way to find a welcoming community) that a corporation soiled with their grubby hands and greedy eyes. It makes me very sad. :(
@@hatshepsutxlllI’m a small business banker (also work with nonprofits extensively) as my day job, so I just wanted to clarify. Nonprofit are still corporations, and structured as such. The legal entity is called a “nonprofit corporation.” They don’t have owners or shareholders, but they do usually have employees and directors that are paid and a board of directors that are answered to. I personally think the board members like Maureen Johnson that resigned should have stayed and voted to remove the directors or other board members that were pushing for the gen AI stuff, but at this point, idk if it’s even salvageable.
As someone with actual disabilities this pisses me off. I enrolled in college when I was 30 because of the fact that I struggled with schooling as a kid and believed I was too stupid to ever attend college back then. I’m still in college and I’m doing way better than I ever imagined. I’m working my ass off. It’s pretty damaging to those of us that actually worked really hard to write our own papers and do our own research to say that using ai to assist in that process is fine. I’ve never once used ai. I am proud of the work that I have done to get here.
@@alexishamham Oh 100%. I was doing a lot of reading into the history of the Yoshiwara in edo Japan, and thought I'd do a little test considering it was a bit of a niche topic. I first asked basic questions like what was the Yoshiwara, and what are Oiran. I then asked chat GPT about the various courtesan ranks from the era, the differences between tayuu and oiran, specific events, etc. The AI got the basic information correct, but would mix up the traits of the different ranks and even told me one of the ranks didn't exist. Chat GPT is good for getting really basic information on a surface level, but if you try to go more specific into a topic it gradually begins to get worse and provide misinformation.
as a disabled person with no money or highschool education, this article IRKED me. they don't care about disabled people because if they did, they would have opened the conversation to AI programs like speech-to-text functions, or spell check which help people like me (someone with bad wrists and dyslexia). nothing about what they're talking about is actually For disabled people, it's just a product they're being paid to push 13:57
It’s so annoying cause their are good use but they only care for those to promote their shitty Ai product, like for mute people they use ai voices to basically talk and that’s amazing but their using it to steals others voices as well
@@raspberryfool3279 yeah I know right, voice ai aren’t fully shitty because people with issue speaking or are mute can use them to either return their voice or give a voice that they feels like to represent them but the people that have it want to steal people voices for misinformation or stealing jobs and it so infuriating
@@bingyboi6303its even worse in some parts of the vocaloid fandom, people are using diff-RVC (a fork of diff-SVC which was taken down due to people creating celebrity deepfakes) to pirate the voicebanks. First off they sound like whatever person they melded the diff voicebank onto (happened a lot with jubyphonic, i know because you can hear her vocal inflections in the generated work). Second they could have just done a normal pirate and got the voicebank and noone would know their a theif..... but because they used diff we all know. Ive actually forwarded some offending content to crypton (mikus company) because i am so angry at them. Its one thing to make a jinriki (dont know the exact term) utau of someone but a whole nother thing to make it a realistic deepfake. Not to mention nowadays if you try to explain vocaloid to someone they think you like ai music. Like no, ew.
the thing about disabled people "not seeing errors in their work" thus we should accommodate AI "writers" is such a weird take. i see where it might come from in terms of neurodivergencies like dyslexia, and i struggle sometimes to see where i've made mistakes in writing because of my ADHD, but to use disabilities as a defence for genAI is ridiculous. we have resources and such to help us, like spell-check and beta readers, we absolutely don't need AI to do the work for us. also, thank you for mentioning the other shady stuff they've been up to. i didn't know about it until now, so that's something i want to look into in more depth at some point.
@@Seth9809 Except like the OP said, we don't need it. We have spell check, which corrects spelling issues, and beta readers, who are people that read over our works and correct any grammar, spelling, or other errors. Why split away from something we know works well, puts actual people out of work they enjoy, just to use AI that supposedly is "as good as a human", when we know it can't make writing that flows nearly as well as a human, because it's a machine.
@@elliottlupin I literally just said it sucks at writing. That's a clue about how much your own locked in opinions are altering how you approach this "discussion". You're completely ignoring that the vast bulk of writers are doing it in their spare time, non-professionally, and without the pressure of commercialization or anything else related to writing professionally. There is no one to put out of work... I've been in communities that trade critiques and beta-reading for the like, that the vast bulk of people want that service but don't want to provide it... and when they do provide it... They are 3 times as likely to just hate anything, then to say anything remotely constructive. This competition is phrased and arranged like it's catering to teenagers and people who are within their first three years of writing. Like 75-90% of us don't have editors of any sort, let alone consistent beta-readers. I myself am often praised for my feedback, but I find reading other peoples work to be very taxing and doing a proper job beta-reading really wears me out. I only provide that work for people who can trade the same, and most people are not at my level... Like... I'm a straight guy but generally I can do a reasonable job even when reading transgender / female / lesbians romantic/fantasy fiction. If I had a Nickle every single time someone said they hated action and then wrote like 3 posts picking apart action for being too dramatic and fast.... I'd have like a dollar. Or people who hate horror trying to critique horror and saying it's too scary.
As a neurospicy person with a visual disability, occasionally I literally have difficulty seeing the text on my screen correctly. I use AI to assist with and speed up very basic tasks that are difficult for me (ie. spelling and grammar checks, creating coherent outlines for writing papers at uni, organizing quotes and citations etc). In all of these cases, I've already done the work, and I'm using the AI to automate the repetitive tasks that my brain and eyes have difficulty with. This is a completely different use than creating something from nothing with generative AI that NaNo is talking about. They're implying that writers with disabilities can't write or access any other tools that would allow them to write. It's disgusting!
The thing about the “classism” argument not having people to look over work is that… they did! On the Nano forums! But when the grooming allegations happened, they shut down the forums completely IN THE MIDDLE OF NOVEMBER. So they took that resource away from writers… only to push their AI “beta reader” and call them classist and ableist for disagreeing. Absolutely wild. Edit: I wrote this before it’s mentioned in the video haha so thank you for pointing it out!
As a disabled and differently brained individual, here are my two cents: Most if not AI tools for writing and art are guilty of plagiarism. While there might be some value in an AI being able to give some feedback, ultimately any “AI” that writes for you is creatively bankrupt as not only does it not require any personal effort, but steals the material of other writers to do so. Plagiarism is never okay for anyone to do, and to insinuate that some people may need to do so to be competitive is in itself classist and ableist. Just because someone is neuroatypical does not mean you do not hold them to the same standards of decency of respecting other creatives.
Yeah, plus their defense of allowing "AI" also applies to outright plagiarism...because copying & pasting other authors also saves time and takes less work. There are many people who wouldn't be able to participate in such a contest without copying, after all. 🙄
@@sorryifoldcomment8596 They said they don’t explicitly condemn any approach to writing. My approach is to plagiarize, blatantly and unapologetically. Glad to participate this year, I got my entry done so fast!
As someone who's used AI to help with writers block (dw I don't post or publish any AI written material), it's honestly disturbing how much content is very obviously plagiarized. Like, the AI I used repeated almost the exact same phrase with the same literary devices in two completely different prompts months apart. Looked into it and I'm 99% sure the phrasing was lifted directly from A Tale of Two Cities
@@kiernan415I’d argue that robot is a pretty umbrella term. Robots can be shaped like anything when you think about it! I think android is probably more specific. (I’m not trying to be rude at all, I just really like words :p)
Claiming to be against classism, racism, and ableism while posting a statement that is all those things to justify their controversial sponsorship. The story really does write itself, since they're promoting AI to do it.
People who use AI and pretend they're actual artists/authors are also evidently reactionaries who believe societal inequities boil down to natural genetic hierarchy, color me shocked.
Omg thank you for putting this so much better than I could've!! That whole section was just implying that people of color aren't actually disadvantaged in publishing because of complex systems of racism, but instead because of personal creative failures that only AI can "fix." What a slap in the face to the many incredible writers of color persevering in an unfair publishing industry and creating wonderful books!!
NaNo's suggestion, translated: "If you're a Black person who can't get publishers to give you the time of day, just use A.I. plagiarize White writers!"
LOL! I guess in their minds they mean to insinuate that just making it easier "to write" gives you a higher output to succeed from, but it's not like ChatGPT is made for and specifically siphoned to ethnic minorities, so it's a comically self-defeating meditation on "egalitarianism."
I'm a disabled writer who often does commission based work. While I am not writing novels on the regular, I do still write daily. To say I do not see the issues with my own work feels like a slap in the face to myself, other writers, and consumers. I would hope that my writing is not being bought out of pure pity. Additionally, who cares if someones writing is bad. People are allowed to make 'bad' art. The point is that you are making art. I hold myself to high standards as I am writing for others, but that is just the standard I hold myself to. No one else needs or should seek to hold themselves to the same standard. I want people to enjoy the writing process, create whatever they feel. Humans are creative. I would rather read a real persons first draft, unedited word vomit than a 'polished' AI word collection.
Hi there - former ML (Municipal Liaison) with NaNoWriMo here. I was fired for criticising the interim director in an email - well, I say fired, the truth is I was told I didn't wish to continue and was removed from my position. Kilby Blades, the interim CEO, responds to any criticism of her, her novels, or the organization, by claiming she is being judged for being a queer author of color. She deadnamed a transgender ML in an email. She called the allegations against moderator X a 'purity culture moment' because an internal investigation 'didn't provide any evidence.' I could go on, but I don't think I need to - she is, last I checked, the ONLY person who actually works at the organization - all the staff have quit and all that is left are interns and volunteers. She is singlehandedly destroying it.
I love that if any organization is gonna have a multi-page, in-depth, and comprehensible Google doc explaining the criticisms and issues; of course it’s gonna be the one for writers.
@@edupunknoobThe comment was probably more referring to the fact that writers are the ones capable of writing such a thorough and extensive document about NaNoWriMo in the first place. Not lumping in all writers as NaNoWriMo fans.
@baydiac Honestly, at the moment NaNoWriMo participants in general shouldn't even be associated with everything the organisation has been pulling. Most of it has only properly come to the surface early this year (with the making and spread of the google doc), and the large majority of writers only start trickling back in to the site (and now defunct forums) when November is on the horizon. Which is why I am _extremely_ curious as to what's going to happen starting October, when I believe people will slowly start returning and notice a hell of a disturbance in the Force. This November would've been my 20th year doing NaNo; it's brought me a lot of incredible things, but what HQ seems to not understand is that none of those things are truly related to _them_ (or at least haven't been in a very long time). Pretty much all of what they offer are things that a good google spreadsheet can do just the same, if not better. But the community, which they have basically nuked? Irreplaceable. I don't know anyone who's aware of the entire situation that is also willing to continue associating themselves with the site, even purely on a 'eh sure I'll update my word count on there' level. A lot of people are coordinating on discords and other writing communities, and still planning to write the 50k in November for the tradition of it, but there's nothing we need the NaNoWriMo organisation for--however, they very much need us, and I'm stocking up on popcorn come November once they realise exactly how badly they fucked up.
its my duty as one of the people still left on tumblr to report that the person running the nanowrimo tumblr account was deleting negative replies on the tumblr version of this post and then would DM the people whose replies they deleted to say that they were violating nanowrimo’s website rules (though this is happening on tumblr. Not nanowrimo’s website.)
holy lmao. I'll take it that the Streisand Effect is in full force over there with that type of "damage control" just spreading the word to not do NaNoWriMo anymore
That was a separate incident a few months ago, but correct. What you left out though is that they then deleted the post, but everything had been screenshotted and preserved in the tumblr thread anyways lmao.
"one of the people still left on tumblr" tumblr is the only social media i use bc others are so annoying with ads and influencers 😭 it's definitely not a dying site lol
@@pochaccocino I'm on there too, but there's something coming that is probably going to suck for us. They're apparently looking to migrate the site over to WordPress. There was a job ad for it someone posted to tumblr. So y'know, looking forward to upheaval in the future I guess! 😢
Dude this is so unhinged I actually can't. The fact they bring up classism too and how "not everyone has the resources to make a living without the use of AI", when the AI company they're glazing is actively contributing to that problem. Authors', and all kinds of artists' in general, livelihoods are being threatened when more and more corporations choose to use cheap AI generated art (made from stolen art) instead of paying artists. AI is hurting real artists because, unlike what these clowns claim, AI in general just isn't actually being used in an empowering way for the working class at all
Not even beginning to mention how much power these models take. A chatGPT response to a question uses about 2x as much electricity as a Google search, just to give you one single answer that is probably wrong anyway 💀
Also aren’t big generators like MidJourney n shit a paid subscription service??? I can literally go to the dollar store and write a beautiful poem w a cheap notebook and pencil for like $3 and it can last months😭😭 classist my ass bro
I haven't heard a single story of large corpos using generative AI as a writing tool. The US Copyright Office explicitly stated their position that generative AI is uncopyrighted and uncopyrightable. Because even if it produces original work it does so without the necessary influence of an artists. I don't know if you realize just how important it is for Multimedia companies' intellectual property rights to be outside a copyright deadzone. They start writing whole scripts with it and they're effectively in the public domain. Believe me this is the scariest thing a lawyer could say to them. They don't want "effectively public domain" to be their starting point on anything.
this is actually so sad because the actual nanowrimo community as a whole is massively sweet. there's a local branch in my city that made me feel so welcomed at a time where i was at my lowest and i met one of my really good friends through there and its just... so sad for all of that to be tainted by the organization behind it all. the people running my local nano branch and everyone involved in it are some of the kindest individuals ive met online. and to think i was actually looking forward to going to in person events this year :( im sure we'll all meet up anyways but it still hurts to know that the event that brought us together is run so horribly.
Places AI can be genuinely helpful: - Grammar/spellchecking/tone assisting professional memos & emails in the workplace - Helping to draft professional emails/memos in the workplace (with the obvious need for human input afterwards) - Translation software that can help peope who don't speak the dominant language access important services like banking, healthcare, and education Places AI needs to be drastically regulated with ironclad legislation: - The wholesale creation of art - the replacement of actors -the resurrection of dead actors - the replacement of audiobook performers Places AI doesn't belong ever: - as a replacement for learning and improving a skill
LLM AI is so bad that I have to question even the application of a simple grammar/spellchecker with it. Those things USED to work well. Now more and more corporations are linking them to LLM AI and the resulting suggestions are wild and often blatantly incorrect. AI is actively making grammar and spelling checkers worse.
Even the first mentioned uses tend to be problematic, because many, if not all companies offering LLM services will claim the right to use your original work for their AI's development. Therefore, it isn't really that great to use them for editing or spellchecking.
The way that them saying "disabled people need to use ai to write better and if you disagree you're ableist" is in fact the actual ableist statement. I'm disabled and this is just rude and disrespectful :/
Right?? Like did a disabled person even write that sentence or is another company just trying to lure ppl in with performative activism. Also even if a disabled person did write it, they don’t speak for all disabled ppl. YUCKY
Remember how Monet continued to paint even after he was blind, and how Beethoven continued to compose music even after he went deaf? I bet they secretly used AI technology and just didn’t tell anyone, since they’d be taking advantage of temporal anomalies, and that’s a classist thing since no one else had access to their rifts in space time.
Beethoven continued to write as he lost his hearing, not Mozart. One of the most famous pieces of symphonic music that is still regularly played to this day, is Beethoven's 'Ode to Joy', which was his 9th Symphony and written when he was completely deaf.
Edit: The ableism is coming from inside the house. There is a serious difference between "I used a random character or town name generator to help figure out some minor details" (and even then it's good practice to edit/alter the results) and "I had a machine write the entire plot for me and I filled in a few details here or there". Not to be an English major or anything, but AI does NOT belong in the creative space. Whatsoever.
Also a lot of those generators are not at all same as generative AI! In the case of something like Springhole or Fantasynames, made for writers, they're literally just lottery randomozers created by particular people with very simple code.
Yeah I use LLMs as like a random table generator or like a bad idea pitcher or a syntax checker. I'm stuck writing the 4k words still, excluding some adjectives that sound nice.
I love how you pointed out all the typos, because the NaNo organization does act very disorganizedly at times. Being involved in the community and present for a lot of the terrible events which occurred, at one point I nearly applied to be a forum moderator. Upon opening the google form for application, however, I found that I had FULL EDIT ACCESS to the form and could view all of the responses. Being a good citizen, thankfully, I used my newfound power to fix the problem. What a joke.
soooo my semester just started. and i saw someone using obvious ChatGPT in a discussion board online. I noticed two discussions posted by different people that read almost identically, even with the exact same grammar errors and random capitalizations in the middle of the sentence. i sent my professor an email about this with a screenshot of the discussion board. her reasoning was that “some students don’t speak good english” but that it wasn’t plagiarism. but it was obviously AI generated text, and the excuse of “they’re bad at english” absolutely floored me. there are many classes available for english learners and i don’t think any of them say to just use ChatGPT for your assignments. wouldn’t it be worse to use ChatGPT to learn english, since it makes so many errors?? like it just reminds me of the ableism argument here: clearly [people with disabilities, people who are learning english] NEED our AI tools to cheat because they just couldn’t do it otherwise? i’m legit scared for academic honesty if professors refuse to acknowledge blatant plagiarism.
Oof. My semester has started too, and already there were several ai-generated mini essays posted to the discussion board. Luckily, my teacher is strict about that, and stated (very nicely?) that she does not allow AI generated work and is eager to hear our own thoughts next week. As someone who's played around with AI in my free time, it was blatantly obvious they used it, even without the detector.
@@Tail_sezthe detectors aren't the best, but after a while of reading ai work, you just tell. it's stiff and lifeless. uses the same types of phrases and stuff.
I'm a TA who grades a lot of essays and longform lab reports by students who don't have English as their first language, and it's really not hard to tell the difference- the types of mistakes one makes when using a less familiar language just don't look like the ones you get from generative AI. I suspect your professor was either unwilling to put any time into investigating it or didn't want to admit that it was a problem worth worrying about. I'd definitely pass this along to whoever is the head/chair of the department, or better yet look up who's responsible for the academic integrity investigations as it's honestly way better for even the students using AI to get in trouble for it early, before they spend years on a degree that gets revoked when their plagiarism inevitably comes to light and they get blacklisted from much of their academic options. I've seen people lose their qualifications years after the fact as plagiarism detection tools improved and rediscovered their wrongdoings long after they'd think they'd have gotten away with it. Not to mention it's just inappropriate for a professor to demean the ability of non-native English speakers, it's genuinely offensive to insinuate they'd need AI just because it's not their first language.
you know, "some people use AI because they can't afford ghostwriters" wasn't something i would hear today. like... that's an argument that someone who only uses other people's achievements to further their own financial gain would come up with to justify doing exactly like that.
The thing is... You can tell when someone is using AI. It's harder to tell when someone is using a ghostwriter. Obviously you can look at someone like Trump and just know he's never physically written a book and clearly used a ghostwriter. But anyway, AI does not have the skill set that a ghostwriter does. It's insulting to ghostwriters to claim that they're on a comparable level.
Oh, dear. I’ve done NaNo for many years, “winning” a number of times. It was a trip hanging out on the forums, looking over book covers people created for their nascent novels, updating our word counts, sharing the triumph when we reached our goals, supporting one another, bouncing ideas off of each other (“others” being presumably real humans existing elsewhere in the world). I have quite a bit of the merch, including mugs and t-shirts. I did NaNo with my Creative Writing class one year, using the support materials I purchased from the organization, like charts, pins, stickers, cards that had inspiration ideas on them if you got stumped…you still had to do the actual writing, though. (The students had personalized word count goals, not 50k, and as far as I know none of them visited the forums, thank goodness.) Then there was the forum controversy and now this… yikes. Good-bye, NaNoWriMo. We had a good run.
It really is like a kick in the teeth, isn’t it? I’ve done Nano 10+ years in a row, was an ML for my area, and ran the writing group in my area on top of it. Nano was huge for us and basically that’s just gone now. It’s sad lol I’m still going to do Nano because I’m all about the spirit of it and I love writing but damn.
I've participated in writing a Nanowrimo story since 2007 (making no other contributions to the site/group than my simple participation) and the writing forums were absolutely my #1 favorite place to hang out and discuss what you were writing, or topics of writing generally. And year-round too, despite the night-and-day difference between the off-months and November. I skipped participating in 2020 (though I still hung out around the forums) due to its everything, but I kind of regret that -- aka. _not_ having a peaceful escape/respite from all the surrounding news. In 2023 I was forced to deal with serious computer problems at approximately the same time the forums were initially shut off, making it feel like a double whammy. My draft survived somehow and I still finished, but the loss of its forums was keenly felt. Chat rooms/servers are simply not the same, _period,_ the difference is intrinsic and fundamental. I don't want 2024 to become a repeat of 2020, I will likely be writing something this year. But it will be lonely without people to share the experience with....
I'm tired of ableism being used as an excuse for AI. I'm a disabled illustrator and writer. I often go days without creating due to chronic fatigue and chronic pain. When I am able to create, its often only for short periods of time. It is difficult for me to think up and commit to complex pieces due to neurological problems. My social media posts are often months apart because of how much my disability slows my work flow. I would still choose to never draw or write again over using AI. I also follow many disabled artists, including one with limited mobility in their arms who holds their paintbrush or stylus in their mouth. Many of my favorite authors, amateur and published, are disabled. Implying disabled people NEED AI to create is the real ableism here because it creates a narrow minded perception of what disabled people are capable of. I will never be able to create art as fast or complex as non-disabled people. But I do not need to destroy the planet using a machine that spits out lovecraftian anime girls made from the shattered remains of stolen art pieces to create art.
People who think AI can replace real writing don’t understand how terrible it is. I tend to have that tip of my tongue feeling when I write, so when I start to write I usually describe the scene to the Snapchat AI and tell it to feed me something. Then the scene it feeds me is so Garbage that I go “I can write better than that.” And spite fuels me to write a better scene. I couldn’t imagine anyone trying to submit the garbage I’ve gotten as real work.
@56KSC I would agree! Except that it is trained off of stolen work. If it was trained off of work voluntarily given to it, or work that was paid for, I'd have little issues for it being used for very simple revisions. But right now it's really just plagiarism bot 3000 and I don't think anyone should be supporting it
I’m a disabled artist. For around 8 years I was severely ill, on palliative care and almost unable to make art at all. That was devastating to me and I felt like I had lost my identity. To me, art is a spiritual experience, I need it to live, and that’s precisely why I would never use AI to make “art”. There is no art without a human element. I can see benefits to certain types of AI being used to assist the creative process, but never to entirely take over that process. Even if I got that sick again I would NEVER use AI to entirely take over my creative process. There would be no point. I understand that I am one person and I don’t claim to represent the experience of every disabled person, but I disagree with the concept of anti-AI being ableist. In my opinion that argument trivializes actual ableist rhetoric and exclusion in artistic spaces to justify the use of a deeply problematic tool. And that doesn’t even take into account the host of other issues with it like theft, lost jobs and the environmental impact.
It's not just soulless, it's a *cheating* tool that sacrifices the artistic process for instant gratification and the notion that being anti-AI is ableist, is not just misguided, but also in my opinion patronizing to disabled/special needs artists and writers trying to work through their disability to do what they love
Yeah I can’t imagine using AI would at all be fulfilling to someone’s need for a creative outlet. It doesn’t make the creative process “accessible” because it doesn’t let the person actually create. I’d never feel like a machine spiting out content could replace the feeling of my paintbrush on paper or my fingers on the keyboard
@@TwiliPaladinthat’s…a really good analogy and it makes it clear how AI does the exact opposite of helping minorities have a voice in the creative field. It’s like the folk tale of John Henry. The machine didn’t help those minority railroad workers accomplish their job, it came in and did their work faster to push them out of their career.
Absolutely. One of the common factors I've found with AI proponents is that they fundamentally misunderstand the purpose and role of art in the human experience. Art is expression; it's therapeutic; it's a means of communicating truths and connecting with each other as human beings. Why on Earth would we ever choose to farm that out to algorithms and software? At the core of every pro-AI argument I've read there beats the shriveled, blackened heart of capitalism, demanding "content" at superhuman rates of production in order to generate money for the techbros at the top of the wealth pyramid. And if they have to commit the greatest art theft in human history while eradicating the environment to do so, that's what they're willing to do. To paraphrase, I want robots to do my laundry and dishes so I have more time to make art, not for robots to make art so I have more time to do laundry and dishes.
The amount of extremely well worded emails and exposees Ive read during this year of NaNo dramas is indeed impressive. Sadly NaNo HQ doesnt put in the same effort
I encountered it in the wild elsewhere. I had to judge an entry and I couldn't work out why my brain was disassociating midway through sentences. It was because nothing happened, it was empty noise, and once I realised it was AI, I couldn't unsee it. Anyway, the entry got disqualified. Proudest day of my week
As someone with a disability... People need to stop only ever bringing up disability and ableism when it's convenient or helpful for them. It's so disappointing seeing people use disabled people to make an argument knowing damn well they will never discuss it again or do anything that will actually help disabled people. Sometimes the most tiring part of disability is dealing with other people's and company's bs. 😐
im an author and freelance writer who is disabled, poor, and indigenous. my work has been plagiarized multiple times in the past by people claiming it was their own. now, with ai people are able to plagiarize without any effort or thought at all. chatgpt and other ai ‘services’ have already admitted they need free access to copyrighted materials in order to function. what has happened and will inevitably get worse is that people who are not writers will generate stolen ideas from marginalized authors and use them and claim them as if they are their own. it is theft from the well of creativity, experience, and knowledge already present from those who want to read it, and the stolen bits are mangled and lacking. as someone who has felt grief over writing for over a decade, to think people are out there doing no introspection, no suffering, no research, and producing deformed clustered knock offs of masterpieces that already exist - it makes me sick. any one can weave a narrative, tell a story, write a book, it just takes the willpower to see it through. generating slop off the backs of countless others who genuinely wrote their own words is as low as it gets. there were already countless resources out there for assisting the writing process, and ai is not an assist. it’s stealing from people who are capable of something you aren’t. also, being stolen from creatively hurts. someone else claiming your hours of emotional efforts that are meant to impact others and taking credit for the way your readers felt reading that sucks a lot. especially when you are trying to teach or expand on concepts, someone taking credit for your intellectual analysis feels awful. if i saw mangled pieces of my own work in something ai generated i probably wouldnt be able to feel sad, just angry. automizing mass creative theft is one of the worst things we as a species have done recently.
AI content is truly a black hole. Its users rob other writers of their work, their readers of genuine experiences, and themselves of honest achievement. It's nothing but loss and corruption for everyone who comes in contact with it.
"if I saw mangled piece of my own work in something ai generated i probably wouldnt be able to feel sad, just angry." There is almost zero chance of that happening. In fact that's the exact reason they've made the argument that they need access to as much material (including copyrighted material) as possible in order for the software to function. "To function" means among other things to not copy material word for word. If you were in a position to recognize how an AI drew from your work, it would need to be a sample set so small it's made up almost entirely of your, and similar works - statistically. It basically draws from a probability cloud of most likely words related to a given topic. The more data it has the more generic the output. I say this to make one simple fact clear - it does not need to be theft for it to be wrong.
This. AI art fills me with a rage that I can barely articulate. At least with traditional plagiarism there’s some person/company you can point to and say “they stole from me.” You might never get justice but at least you know who did it and what they took. With generative AI you’ll never even know what bits of your soul were stolen. Its vile!
@@futurestoryteller Amusingly, this also means that, if people keep posting AI generated material, and the people producing said AI aren't careful with their data sources and start using those pieces as their resources, their success may end up degrading their own product through compounding errors, like a snake eating it's own tail.
More like if someone who can’t swim kidnapped Michael Phelps and made him swim for them and Nano was like “yeah sure you can say you swam that here’s the gold medal wow good job”
just some FYIs from someone who is way too close to the whole situation :) there is no PR person, all the prior staff left and currently the org is run by interim executive director, Kilby Blades, the intern turned communications director and a part time contractor for IT/software development the FAQ's are written by Kilby who, despite her AI generated profile picture, is in fact a black woman. who is very very rich, very very privileged, very very out of touch with her userbase and likes to weaponize social justice speak for her benefit. the AI FAQ is likely written in response to a prowritingaid sponsor post on tumblr that received backlash and was deleted - Kilby actually sent people DMs on tumblr claiming nano would "enforce their code of conduct on all platforms" and users were in "violation" by commenting anti AI sentiment on the post (there are screenshots, it's hilarious). given how publicly this blew up and based on her past behavior, i'd expect to see an extremely reactive response from her by now but alas, she's off at a fancy writers retreat in Europe for the week..... my understanding is the 'writers board' was just a list of published authors who'd agreed to let nano use their names in promotions, maybe write a pep talk ect to give nano legitimacy in writer spaces they were not a board of directors or a group of writers who had any input on how the org is run (there is a board of directors but it's not the same as the writers board)
@@TheoRae8289 perhaps I worded that badly? I just meant she uses a cartoonish AI pfp, not a real photo. I don't think any of the various AI pfps she uses depict a white person.
"Kilby who, despite her AI generated profile picture, is in fact a black woman" (paragraph #3) kinda implies that there was something about her pfp that would make you think she is not black EDIT: oh wait are you just saying that the AI pfps make her look like a bot account?
Ehhh, not surprising to see such people use AI as well even if most AI slop I've seen or heard of comes from either the alt-right Twitter folk, Facebook boomers or braindead Christians who are doing the work of the Devil by "making" AI generated bible crap.
Her thinking NaNo rules can be enforced on other platforms that are not affiliated with NaNo is like a Kentucky police officer writing you a ticket for violating a law from New York with New York license plates while in Kentucky.
NaNo does NOT have a PR manager. As far as we're aware, there is the interim ED (Kim Palacios aka Kilby Blades) and a poor communications intern that got promoted to full comm manager. So this org dropped massively from a dozen or so employees to 2. And no board left that we can see, but they did remove the employees page so who knows.
The whole “not everybody has the same abilities/brains so they need AI to do this” is… kind of insane. Like yeah, not everyone can finish NaNoWriMo. MOST people can’t. That’s why it’s a CHALLENGE.
As someone whose executive dysfunction is too strong to let me write even a short chapter in a month, I do not want to participate in an event that would let me win with AI.
Seriously, I've tried this and both the way I write and my ADHD means that I'm not able to do it, and I have so much respect for people who do it. It's really cool to see people complete this sort of challenge, and telling the community that just putting a prompt into a generative """"AI"""" to have it write for you is insulting to literally every writer ever.
Even then, a lot of the people who do this challenge ARE disabled. The writer who introduced me to this challenge many years ago was one with developmental delays
I would also like to point out, famous Mexican painter, Frida Kahlo, was disabled from polio and a bus accident and learned to paint lying on her back using a specially designed easel to make it easier to paint while bedridden. Brolylegs, one of the best Street Fighter players in the world, plays the game entirely with his face because his disability makes his hands almost unusable. If they can figure out how to overcome their disabilities to do what they want to do and become really good at it, then a disabled writer can easily figure out how to write despite their own limitations making it harder for them without an algorithm doing all the work for them so they can claim the credit.
The 'but ableism!!!' argument is a favorite of tech bros and has been for some time. Ignoring the fact that disabled artists + writers exist, have always existed, and AI training datasets steal their work without permission like everyone else.
@@VickySidler it is quite funny as if you don't have friends or family who will do it for free. You can hire someone to do what the AI does for half the price on fiver
if your entire demographic are WRITERS who'd submit 50k manuscript for seemingly funsies, WHY would you piss them off. now you have google docs record of all your wrongdoings in vivid detail
This. This is the heart of the issue. The ableism, classism, and racism in their post are just the cyanide-laced cherry atop their coke-laced ice cream. Writers write. Telling writers to let something else do the writing for them is like telling a chef to make a freezer-ready meal in a microwave. The creativity from within ourselves is what makes our books unique. And, whether NaNoWriMo wants to admit it or not, even disabled, poor, and underrepresented people can be creative. Telling ANY author that we should let AI write our books for us when other assistive tools and communities have existed for at least a decade is so beyond tone-deaf that it makes me wonder if the post was made with AI. And y'know what? Yeah, some people don't have the skills needed to write good books- and that's okay! I can't weld, so should people invent a robot that helps me weld so I can get into that industry? NO! Either I goddamn learn how to weld, or I pick a different field of work. People who aren't good at writing can either learn better techniques or pick a different field. It has nothing to do with disabilities, poverty, or race, btw, since there are plenty of neurotypical, able-bodied, cishet white men who are absolutely dog-dukey at writing (some of whom get published anyway, but that's not the fault of the minorities they trampled).
somehow i KNEW i was going to see a video by you on this topic! as a disabled and poverty-level author (who doesn't even participate in nanowrimo anymore but knows a lot of people who do), i'm really passionate about accessibility in the writing community, and i've been spitting mad about this whole issue for what feels like weeks but has only been like a day and a half. it's absolutely a WILD take especially in a field that by its very nature is so heavily populated with every single minority they were targeting and trying to use as a shield. you're right that it has to have been mathematically the most number of people that they could have pissed off. i've seen some claims that whoever's behind these posts has also been in people's dm's on various social media platforms fighting with them, which i wouldn't be surprised to find was true. the writing community will absolutely recover from this, but i really hope nanowrimo the organisation does not.
While technically true, which is supposed to be the best kind of true, it does not appear to be literally true, considering how effective the challenge was for so many people, for decades. Plus I guess this was gone anyway, but there is also the communal structure of an organized yearly event. Kind of hard for random people to just recreate that - usually.
Actually quite a few regions are planning to hold the challenge again in their communities, just not associated with NaNoWriMo. I'm in a region that was pretty active. The previous MLs are still going to hold the event, just greatly expanded (a month of prep before hand and a month of wrap-up/editing after) Many people are using the structures that were originally set up by NaNo to do their own thing. The communities aren't dissolved because of this, maybe just a bit harder to find.
I saw a reblog where they straight-up barged into someone's DMs and tried to enforce their code of conduct on this person after they criticized them. Reminder, this is on TUMBLR, not a website run by NaNoWriMo. They have absolutely no leg to stand on but had the audacity to try to police this random person's speech lmao.
@@Silvermoon424there's a brazilian expression for when someone receives extremely shocking news: "é de cair o cu da bunda" or (rough translation) "this could make someone's asshole fall outta their ass". this is all i can think of as a response
So like are they implying that disable and poc authors are unable to write without AI? Is not like disable and poc authors have existed literally for CENTURIES just fine. O wait, maybe they don't know that.
I saw a really succinct clip of someone talking about how they suffered a stroke and how writing has been a huge part of their rehabilitation. They've come to understand that perfection is not the joy of writing, but creating itself is, pointing out that the need for everything to be perfectly edited in perfect english is in itself ableist. That's not what a writing challenge should be about, it should be about the joy of creating.
my wife was a regional representative for NaNo (in Europe) up until this spring and we've just been laughing at this dumpster fire ever since. what a shame.
like, if you want more vid material or just to lose your mind about the stupidity of a volunteer-based organization, look into how the volunteers (municipal liaisons) were being mistreated by the same person who put out this statement: Kilby Blades (not her real name)
@@seekittycat it's basically only her and like 2 interns. everybody else either quit or was fired. we still don't know what happened to some of them, like the previous person in charge of communicating with the volunteers (Sarah) - she went on "leave" in February and then her name disappeared from official websites and was never heard from again.
@@WinnieCPT That's crazy it's one thing to write a shill article it's another to fire people 😨. I understand the people who leave. What's NaNo's reason of firing people?
The best part is that NaNoWriMo issued a follow-up statement -- even their addled brains could sense the heat of the firestorm they started -- and they basically doubled down on everything, even going to far as to acknowledge ethical problems with generative AI and then say they would not take a stance because they basically had no place in the discussion. What they did was what my father used to refer to as "taking a long walk off a short pier."
This latest bs is honestly the least of NaNoWriMo's problems; they've been speedrunning their reputation into the ground for a while now. I think it was back in March that certain things (let's just say the FBI got involved at one point) finally blew up to the point people were demanding answers from HQ, who instead fired all volunteers overnight (about 800, many with over a decade worth of experience), locked the forums, and eventually came up with a shady af contract said volunteers would have to sign for the privilege of dedicating a massive amount of time to making HQ money, which iirc was in blatant violation with the laws of the EU at one point.
I hate the fact that AI is basically destroying creative work. My dream since I was a teen was to translate books, but because of AI this field is dying and now it's harder than ever to actually make it in it.
one of the things I think is really interesting is the history of creative translations being used to change a story. there was this one anime I was reading about, I believe it was my hero academia? there was a character that is pretty much universally hated in both the Japanese and American dub but the Turkish translators completely overhauled a lot of the dialogue so that he was actually a really respectful, thoughtful, and helpful character. I think it is really interesting when a syndicated work in particular is not interpreted differently but consciously changed. I think it runs into a moral strangeness but it is so interesting to me.
@@dizzylilthing there's more due to cultural differences as you pointed it out. Some things were accepted by some cultures and not by others, so in the process of translating and dubbing they would change some things so it would be more suitable for the country they were dubbing and translating for. Nowadays that doesn't happen as much, although some things will be adapted like jokes. I see creative translation more as an adaptation than a word for word translation. To translate a creative work is to pass the same message, trying to keep the words as close to original as possible. It's a whole creative work itself. And it's fun (for me) but it's being completely overruled by AI. It was already hard cause in a lot of countries is not even a regulated job, is motley solely a freelance career. Anyways, I also find interesting the older translations and dubbings :)
The whole point of automation was to do the boring tasks people didn't want to waste time with. It was never supposed to take over hobbies and art. Sometimes I feel like when you look at the big picture, the trend of sucking away creativity and replacing with bland, generic stuff is intentional. A bit unrelated, but take store architecture for example. 90s and early 2000s Taco Bell/McDonald/Pizza Hut/Target designs were so zany and colorful and full of life. Now, the outside of McDonald's looks like a bank and everything is so generic. It's like they want us to feel nothing. Maybe I'm crazy idk. But something seems weird.
@@dizzylilthing That’s probably Mineta. It’s interesting to think of him as a respectful and thoughtful guy because he’s the exact opposite generally lol
i like how their take is that "not everyone is as good at writing as everyone else so they need AI help" and its like.....isn't the point of a competition to see who is the best at it? like yea not everyone is that good at it, thats the 'competition' part of the competition
The worst part is that it's not even about being the best! It's just a challenge to encourage to start writing in general! The winning comes from completing the 50,000 words. They even have 'nano rebels' who set their own word goal.
It used to be about encouraging people to finish a first draft, even if it was trash. Because that's what editing is for. But you can't edit a blank page.
I did NaNoWriMo for about a decade many years ago (I think my last year was 2011? 2012?) and was even a volunteer organizer for my area for a handful of those years. I loved doing it, I loved the community around the event, and I still think of it fondly. I'm really sad they are taking this worst possible path and my disappointment is immeasurable.
Their take on the disabled is a line crossed I cannot forgive. What they did was take a vulnerable community and put them in the front lines of this conflict. Lets lump tools and generators together and convince people to blame disabled people if anyone argues. I hate seeing every disabled person I know feeling like they are silenced in the onslaught of anger or having to defend their need for tools to help them write. One credit I will give is most of the community I know are just as pissed and keeping the focus where it should be, at Nano for doing this horrible thing.
Saying that disabled people cant be creative without AI is such an albeist and dumb take lmao Do they not realize that it implies that they think disabled people arent smart or creative enough to create art on THEIR OWN??
I am autistic, and I write as a hobby. There is in fact one specific use case where I do use an AI tool - to provide tone feedback for my professional emails. It's a specific tool designed for the purpose and is genuinely useful in preventing me from accidentally offending and upsetting my coworkers. I have no intention or desire to use generative AI in my hobby writing. It would take all the fun out of it, and I wouldn't be able to call it my own work. Even using it to edit - I've used digital tools to highlight possible issues, but it's important to me that I make the decisions and edits myself. I am firmly of the opinion that regardless of skill level, a writer who is earnestly creating from the heart will write something of value, even if it isn't as polished or "high quality" as a published work. AI cannot read your mind and tell your story for you. NaNo can get wrecked.
I'm so tired of these companies claiming to be all inclusive as a way of getting away with shitty practices, like they care about disabled people all of the sudden. My uncle is dyslexic and has written books and stageplays, still writing at 69 (heh). I'm autistic and get burnt out, meaning I have no energy to draw. I can never imagine using AI as a middleman for my creativity.
THIS!! In most cases, AI is based on the largest available pool of data, meaning whatever AI they’re promoting is mostly based on the published writing of white men. Additionally, AI has already started referencing itself and might be at risk of becoming an ouroboros. A self-referential, racist mess.
@@TheGreatGriselda I absolutely believe that everybody who has access to the internet can learn enough to be able to understand, comprehend and analyse the issue. I don't consider them stupid, mind you. I genuinely consider them people who CHOOSE to be willfully ignorant. For me that is something very close to what I think the word "sin" should actually mean. Though I like your description as well.
@@TheGreatGriseldaintellectual is about what can be learned- not how. One can lack intelligence in everything but one topic which they could be a genius in. Intelligence is purely a measure of active knowledge of a subject and not based on a person physical abilities ❤
I'm poor and disabled, I hate AI, whenever someone/a company co-opts progressive language to defend AI, I would just prefer a statement along the lines of 'we prefer the money of lazy people over our actual community'
I'm a disabled writer who's been in the community for a hot minute and disabled writers and poor writers have already been modifying nanowrimo to be more achievable within our abilities/resources for years... How annoying for disabled writers to be used as an arguing point while clearly not actually considering the ways in which disabled writers have already been using our resourcefulness to participate in an art form and community that often does not include us by default.
Because fooling people into paying for sponsors by dangling the dream of edited, published bestseller novels ahead of them is more lucrative than encouraging the actual hobby writing that nano was started for.
right?? like, i thought the whole point of NaNo was to kick your own butt into gear and just WRITE for the sake of writing, not to produce one perfectly polished manuscript to pitch around to publishing houses... like??
“To call out my laziness and artistic theft is morally wrong, because I want to continue making money/clout off of no effort or talent of my own” There, fixed it for them
As a disabled writer, woah. I often struggle to write, but i would never disrespect myself and my work by using ai to write for me??? The whole point of writing is that it comes from you; it's sort of dystopian to imagine such a human thing being done by an emotionless robot.
Okay, as someone who has participated and won this challenge more than one time before, I want to say that I am pissed off. The phrase "not everyone has the resources to help on their writing challenge" is bullshit because WHO ARE YOU HIRING IN ANY OF THIS PROCESS? TO DO WHAT? This whole challenge is meant to be in order to make a first draft, to just get words in a paper somewhere, NOT to have a fully edited, finished novel. All the editing and proof reading and what not is stuff that you worry at the end of the month. During this month you only put words, nothing else. That is why people prepare for this weeks or even months in advance to know what they want to get out of it. The reason this pissed me off is that for years literally all I had was my keyboard, my computer and a connection to the internet. That is fucking it. And not to say that having any of those things isn't a privilege on itself... but if already doesn't have any of those things, how are they meant to participate on an online writing challenge in the first place? Or care about it at all? Even if you are writing by hand or in a typewriter to later use the library's computers to register how many words you have, in what part of any of this do you need to hire anyone? I am literally from a third world country. I literally do not have the resources to hire professional editors, graphic designers or literally anyone, so all my projects have been me and my hyperfixations of that months going ballistic. I never needed anything else to do my stuff. Writing is literally the lowest entry level form of art you could ever conceive. Literally anyone can write. Maybe not everything is good, maybe by the end of the month you end up with an utter piece of shit, maybe you won't like any of it by the end, but you did it, you did something, and that will always be more impressive than letting fucking AI to do the work for you. Your human mind and your human hands will always be more complex than any AI can achieve. You do not need them.
They really just said “Poor people, disabled people, and minorities are incapable of writing without using AI”. Did an AI write their statement or something because I find it hard to believe that a human could’ve written that down and thought it was good
I wrote (and self-published because you can do that for free) my first two books with NaNo back in 2013 and I was thrilled with the support I got, the word count challenges and how friendly the writing community was back then. I'm shocked they've done this. I've believed they were a genuine company for years, helping writers. Now I'm just embarrassed I ever supported them at all. The sheer nerve of those people... I don't have words, and for a writer of over a hundred titles now, that's saying something. Gutted at the depths some people will go for an advertising dollar. Thank you D'Angelo.
"disabled individuals can't see the issues with their work" honestly I'd be less offended if they just called me a slur
so fucking for real 😭 "brains and ability levels" also makes me want to scream
I'm glad i'm not the only person who thought this. Who is their PR rep?? fire them 😐
@@childishboyo5215they are running on a ghost crew after one of their staffers was solicting teens in the forums last year and anyone with ethics left when it came to light
Dyslexic people have tools called spell check and Big Font
@@childishboyo5215i want that mf drawn and quartered what kinda insane pr statement is this
I read it as, "We steal primarily from minorities, so criticizing us is technically criticizing minorities, which is technically racist."
nope it reads more like "pajeets who don't know english can just use chatgpt to cook up a script just like how they use ai to get diploma mil degrees then get into coding"
@@HSE331 bro's throwing around slurs in the comments
@HSE331 bro what? You do know that writing challenges aren't exclusive to the English language, right? "Pajeet" will just apply to a challenge in his own language or do his best in the English competition. Either is absolutely fine.
@@marthamaywhovier5962”pajeet” is a slur
@@HSE331 bro just say youre not good enough with your degree to get a job.
Also wtf is a "pajeet"
as a tumblr girly - they're also DMing ppl who criticize their statement and telling them to shut up. it's so comical
they should just turn off replies and reblogs at that point.
lmao thats wild. havent been able to get on tumblr much in the last few months. im missing all the insane beef 😔
"this sort of language does not comply with-" YOU COME INTO MYY HOUSE!!!
I joined nano a year ago, right before the grooming drama blew up. I thought it was just gonna be a specialized forum for people to compare notes about their stories & writing process...suffice to say, I left in short order.
i am not on that side of Tumblr but OH does that sound so fucking funny.
Calling anti generative AI attitudes ableist while AI generators are actively stealing from disabled artists is wildddd
The next time some AI bro presents you with the argument that "nothing is original" and AI is no different than fair use, point out that fair use is a doctrine intended to protect the copyrights of an artist, since the "tool" itself is not a piece of art, and its production line is uncopyrightable, arguments for fair use are null and void. They don't apply on either side of the equation. Creator or creation.
What I love about this is how easily it demonstrates the logic, art is made by artists, and its replication is an artists right. So whether or not AI is "theft" it is most certainly not art.
@futurestoryteller it's also worth noting that fair use is a legal defense for copyright infringement like self defense for murder. In a lawsuit when you are claiming fair use you are saying "yes I did use this copyrighted material intentionally without permission, however I am not guilty/liable because I made a transformative work using this copyrighted material that is protected by fair use". Given how ai just scrapes everything without intention, it's hard to see they could fit the fair use requirements even if the production line could be copyrighted
@@futurestoryteller Fair use is a doctrine that *limits* the copyright of an artist, by defining circumstances in which the artist cannot rely on copyright to disallow said use. Without fair use, artists would have a stronger legal position.
About the output of AI, AFAIK various lawsuits are still working their way to the courts, but the tendency goes indeed to consider it uncopyrightable.
@@rabiatorthegreat6163 No sane person should ever take the position that fair use is a bad thing.
@@rabiatorthegreat6163 Fair use is intended to allow a limited, "fair" use of portions of a work to allow discourse and critique around established elements of contemporary culture. Used correctly, it shouldn't harm an artist in any way. Only when it's abused and improperly enforced is it a bad thing.
the argument of "ai is too big to ignore, therefore you can't be mad at us for accepting it in our business" always means "we have financial gain in it. A HUGE ONE"
“I, for one, welcome our Robot overlords.”
Yeah, what's strange is they do not actually have one.
It's the next big thing, bro, can you blsme us for our FOMO?
@@vaiyt remember how well that went with crypto, NFTs, metaverse?
@@vaiyt If it is FOMO, then it means it won't stick around. Anything that can't stand the test of time should be ignored.
Claiming that disabled people can't be creative without AI is such an incredibly ableist take! There are already things like text to speech and grammar checks etc to help people in various ways, but generative AI has nothing to do without helping writers bring their ideas to page (sincerely, a disabled, very pissed off writer)
Also if you let AI write something then you didnt write it. it isnt yours. AI stories arent a tool, theyre the whole process. So noone can claim AI helps disabled people because thats literally not a support tool, it's just creating everything for you. at this point you didnt write shit to begin with.
Thank you! This is what I was thinking too.
@@frankie9373well said!
Exactly! I am disabled. I do struggle to imagine too but i just use lot of reference photos. Saying we cant be creative is ableist.
As a disabled fanfic author who has been writing happily (and, according to my comment sections, pretty well) for almost 2 decades... I immediately cancelled my already long defunct NaNo account.
“We promote writers AND AI”… that’s a sentence that makes sense
AI gets worse every day, and the people defending it get more desperate every day.
AI promotes them.
I support the deer AND the headlights.
The leopards are cheering rn
maybe it's supposed to make sense?? I don't get it.
For the record, Professor, I'm friends with a number of habitual NaNo participants. Not a SINGLE one of them has been at all encouraged by or happy with this statement.
I think the NaNo organization is making a massive, massive miscalculation based on sponsor money here.
Literally. The writing and reading spaces are (mostly, minus a few people) some of the most anti-AI spaces I've been in. I've never done NaNo but it's writer base are mostly progressive younger writers trying to get themselves known who are absolutely 100% against AI.
100%. I was planning on rejoining NaNo this November for the first time in years. Now.... ugh. I just want to take their writing group and run elsewhere
Pretty much everyone I follow who has regularly done nano has said they aren't doing it anymore after this nonsense (if they hadn't already ditched it because of the grooming stuff and the forums being closed). This is going to lose them way more than they could ever get from their shady AI sponsor
Seriously! I’m a disabled writer and I’ve participated in NaNoWriMo for 15+ years. It’s a huge part of my writing process but I’m done supporting and donating now. AI is a direct affront to my career, it learns and plagiarizes from actual writers’ works, and deeply impacts my ability to make a living. I’m sad they would take this stance, they clearly need to take the first BART out of Silicon Valley and go touch the grass in Dolores Park. And remember what the whole thing was about in the first place.
I've been really broken up about all the shit Nano has been pulling recently. I started doing Nano when I was in middle school and I graduated highschool in 2015. I feel so betrayed by the platform
The classism argument is exceptionally wild when the "accessibility" tool is a PAID PRODUCT.
I don't see this point brought enough. LLMs are very expensive! Some companies are offering access to them for cheap or free, but that is only a marketing tool to get people interested in and using them. The LLMs themselves exist for large companies with the resources to build and operate entire data centers just for generative AI to use to replace employees with genAI, or to sell the service to other companies so those other companies can replace employees with a genAI subscription.
A LOT pricier than pad and paper too. Or even just using Word
@@pozozm There's even free writing software - like libreoffice and such, don't even need to pay.
Yeah. Bard and Google Docs are free. Like, why would anyone who was going to use AI not just use the free options?
If it's because they're "not as good", but, like, isn't the point to have help? Not "perfection"?
I think AI can definitely help you to write since you can ask it to rewrite something you've already written and then you can check for what reads better. It can allow you to be your own editor a little more easily since whatever the AI generated isn't directly from you.
But using it to full on write a whole novel or paper without checking it is just...not helpful. For anyone.
isn't it more offensive to assume that poor people, disabled people, and people of color need chatgpt to write a novel 💀💀💀💀💀
Yes. Point blank period.
This is an interesting political and philisophical paradox related to "pulling oneself up by one's bootstraps." (Although the "Bootstrap Paradox" is already a time travel paradox.) You wouldn't say it's discriminatory to assume a person without legs couldn't reach an item on the top shelf or get up the stairs without mechanical assistance.
The paradox is the apparent inability to conjure a perfect balance in our judgment between when assistance is necessary and when it's a.. um... crutch.
The problem with the above analogy is we're talking about simple mechanical tasks, willed by the participant. Creative artistry is a complex, and self-reflective task based around creativity. By NNWM own admission the purpose of a challenge is defeated if it can be accomplished instantly with as little user influence as possible. The challenge represents the task itself. Trying to come up with the excuse that it's just like any other tool, or assistance device is to devalue the entire purpose of the form.
Yes. Yes it is.
ADDITIONALLY: Marginalized writers do not have as much content available for ChatGPT to steal, simply from the fact that their works have historically not been preserved as well! So what they're actually doing by sponsoring ChatGPT is encouraging marginalized writers to write more like straight white dudes. Just like how Dall-E and Midjourney are biased towards Pixar-style characters, ChatGPT does not have the capability to generate content that adheres to a marginalized point of view!
pretty much thr same thing ai bros have been saying about ai "art", that it makes it available for everyone no matter the skills and the money available.
when the entry level tools are a pencil and a piece of paper.
The SCP Wiki has rules disallowing GenAI articles, and seeing NaNoWriMo go like this is cah-razy.
Average SCP wiki W (love your work too)
Thats because SCP respects creativity. Love your work!!
No cap everyone should write an SCP entry this November instead of doing nanowrimo
@@imjustdandy9799 hell yeah bruther
@@imjustdandy9799 Id toast to that
This is like when Mitt Romney told us corporations are people. No. Absolutely not. It's such an absurd concept I can't even be bothered to argue against it. Just NO,
And that's exactly how Citizens United ended up passing itself off as the law of the land.😮😮😮😮
@@TrrsnSmrg Bingo!!!!
And then they gave the the same rights and even more rights than citizens. Romney did his cult a huge favor with that one.😡
@@justkiddin84 End stage capitalism at it's finest (and by finest, I mean worst). 🤬
Technically, under the law, they are treated as people (thanks Reagan).
The fact that the AI controversy isn’t even the worst offense, but the straw that broke the camel’s back really says something.
I remember watching everything go down. It's be a WILD ride
To be honest, I think some people like me who only logged in during November to track word count, had no idea about any other stuff. But I'm on Twitter, so I absolutely saw this. 🙃
*me wondering if I should reconsider the possibility of myself having dyslexia in addition to Autism and ADHD after I read “the straw HAT that broke the camel’s back” MULTIPLE TIMES* 😭
@@nelgluhak6709 If I wasn't stuck with my schedule, I likely would have seen it too. Almost scared to check my twitter notifs 😂
@abigailr.9601 well it would be heavier than just one straw....
Omg tho I hope you can get evaluated, if it's the case I bet it'd be such a relief to get it confirmed! I'm auDHD and trans so when I got my autism diagnosis and had my egg crack it was so nice to finally have explanations lol
Man, as a neurodivergent Native American, saying AI gives me "a better chance at representation" or whatever is exceptionally condescending. We have libraries, too. We have mom's we can coerce into reading our novellas. We're not solitary stone age weirdos writing See Spot Run on cave walls. You wanna help level the playing field? Give POC authors platforms, help dismantle the nepotism cesspool that is traditional publishing - don't just push some shitty AI sponsor and pretend you're "doing us a favor". Absolutely, and appallingly, typical bullshit.
Get into software development and make your platform. There, you're in control. That is best.
@@thetinaexperience7000 not following your logic here. Why would I get into software development to dismantle nepotism in publishing? The problem isn't computers based, the problem is late stage capitalism and racism.
I'm a writer, Jim, not a software engineer.
I can’t shake how their reasoning as to why condemning AI is ”ableist” sounds like they think helping disabled people means doing everything for them. No, man. Accessibility is about allowing people to be as independent as possible and not have their disability stand in the way of the things they want to do.
An apartment-building is not ”accessible” to wheelchair users if someone still has to carry them from floor to floor. Accessibility is installing an elevator so they don’t have to live their lives restricted by whether someone is there to help them or not. You know, allowing them to be independent.
Like, obviously everything they said is complete BS, but just the way they tried to frame it as if the use of AI makes writing accessible to those with disabilities (related to writing) is laughable.
If you think you’re helping someone paint by taking their brush and paint instead of them, you’re not helping. In fact, you’re telling them they can’t learn to paint to begin with.
Yeah… it’s giving saviour complex
I literally worked with a quadriplegic author, writing was the thing he had the most direct control over in his life.
If he were still alive he probably wouldn’t be a fan of the assertion that he would need AI to do his thinking for him.
He accomplished SO much from his wheelchair, to think he couldn’t handle writing is absurd.
Crazy that NanoWriMo saw "Some people have difficulty writing with traditional tools." And thought, "Wel they'll have to write less with AI." And not "Let's back some technology that makes writing easier for them."
@jessArcade No kidding. I mean even if they were seeking sponsors, there's so many kinds of software and tools disabled writers might use to assist them. A partnership could help make people more aware that these tools exist! But I guess maybe those companies don't have the same promo budget as the AI companies :/
I follow a painter & photographer who is profoundly disabled. Nonspeaking, has difficulty reading, writing, and typing, requires 24/7 care, etc. Some of her photographs are jaw droppingly beautiful, even though most are just taken on walks in her yard/neighborhood with her caretaker.
I had severe speech delays as a child and picked up art because it allowed me to express how I was feeling when I was unable to form my emotions into words.
For many disabled people, art is a vital part of who we are.
To be fair I think that NaNoWriMo was primarily referring to writers with neurological disabilities but still the whole thing is a big huge pile of gaslighting and manipulative horse s**t on NaNoWriMo's part.
That guy in the iron lung died just in time to miss NaNoWriMo telling him his writing is garbage. Should've used ProWritingAid.
A couple of details to add here:
1. NaNo HQ is like 3 people, one is just a tech person who is I think a contractor, one is the intern who got promoted to "Communications Manager", and the third is the "Interim" Executive Director, Kilby Blades. Who is the one who updates the FAQs and we are pretty sure she wrote the AI garbage because it's her style. She's currently at RARE in Edinburgh. Her MO seems to be "post the worst take ever to the FAQ right before a weekend and then peace out", and then when she returns she complains that everything is being taken out of context and critics are being mean. (Insert vitriolic emu here.)
2. NaNoWriMo used to ALSO have 800+ volunteers organizing and running in-person meets during event months (and in some cases year-round) but now there are ZERO. I'd retired in 2020 (after 15 years), but basically the volunteers were given a new agreement that tries to put all the blame for anything that goes wrong on them, they expressed concerns, and everyone was unceremoniously removed as organizers and told to re-apply when the new onboarding process was announced as ready. There have since been noises about people going through this process, but we cannot find these mythical people anywhere.
("We" being myself and all the displaced volunteers. We have a FB group and Discords where we gather to discuss and to enjoy popcorn as we watch the flames. Because every time you think it can't get any worse, Kilby goes "hold my -beer- bourbon" and... you get the idea.)
Yep, as a fellow ex NaNo ML I agree that seeing the shitshow unfold is captivating in all the wrong ways
bro “Kilby Blades” is such a villain name. Right up there with Killgrave and Murdercorpse lol
@@snicketylemony It's not her real name, it's a pen name. Which she registered with the US copyright service, so her real name is publicly available for free.
Kim Palacios is her real name.
@@JannaWillard so even her name might be AI generated?? /jk
lol thank you for the info, I should have know it was too good 😂
Weren't the new events and forums supposed to be all 18+ (because you can't have grooming if you don't have minors /s) and the MLs and mods personally responsible for ensuring that nobody lied about their age, as well? And the process for getting reinstated as an ML required government documentation that was resulting in deadnaming? (Depsite Kilby herself being very against being referred to as Kim...)
It's so hard to keep up with what's actually real and what's rumours (and the truth is often stranger than fiction) because being part of a region that covered half an empty state meant we were already out of the loop by the time the info got to us
doing this a mere TWO MONTHS before November has got to be one of the craziest fumbles I've ever witnessed
omG yes! they closed down the forums which were the whole point and now no one wants to do NaNoWriMo anymore because of the awful stuff they said, they're gonna lost so much it's funny. it makes me a little sad as someone who grew up with NaNoWriMo but oh well...
@@anisa2273 it's crazy because I was going to try to participate last year but because of things that happened in my personal life I figured that I wouldn't be able to, but I didn't hear A THING about the grooming controversy and the last time I checked the forums for my city was back in 2022!!
@@anisa2273 Didn't they shut it down because some people were creeping
What's in November?
I hope people make a new writing challenge and tell NaNo to piss off they can keep their tech bro generated stories 💀
Wild how in response to “do you condone AI?” they said “not allowing editing tools or text to speech programs is classist and ableist”
Yeah no shit that’s not what anyone was talking about
That’s what’s called a Mott & Bailey fallacy. Propose some problematic thing and then when someone points out the BS pretend you’re defending a reasonable thing. It’s So annoying.
The irony that they go from saying “People who don’t support our sponsors are just virtue signaling” to saying the very next day “If you don’t support AI you are classist and ableist” is fucking wild bro.
When I participated in HS I didn't even know NaNoWriMo is a "corporation" I thought it's just a personal challenge.
They're trying so hard to squeeze money out of people writing short stories.
Same here, my English teacher didn't use the website or even tell us about it. I used Google docs.
Yep, it was something that was supposed to be a fun, personal challenge (and a great way to find a welcoming community) that a corporation soiled with their grubby hands and greedy eyes. It makes me very sad. :(
it is still a nonprofit, not a corporation. But still, as we've seen, nonprofits are still just as capable of behaving unethically :/
@@hatshepsutxlllI’m a small business banker (also work with nonprofits extensively) as my day job, so I just wanted to clarify. Nonprofit are still corporations, and structured as such. The legal entity is called a “nonprofit corporation.” They don’t have owners or shareholders, but they do usually have employees and directors that are paid and a board of directors that are answered to. I personally think the board members like Maureen Johnson that resigned should have stayed and voted to remove the directors or other board members that were pushing for the gen AI stuff, but at this point, idk if it’s even salvageable.
@@Calyaerwelcome to capitalism
As someone with actual disabilities this pisses me off. I enrolled in college when I was 30 because of the fact that I struggled with schooling as a kid and believed I was too stupid to ever attend college back then. I’m still in college and I’m doing way better than I ever imagined. I’m working my ass off. It’s pretty damaging to those of us that actually worked really hard to write our own papers and do our own research to say that using ai to assist in that process is fine. I’ve never once used ai. I am proud of the work that I have done to get here.
This!!!
College seems quite a bit better than primary and secondary school. (just started college at 29 as of yesterday)
also ai gets stuff wrong ALL the time. I think like 2 lawyers got in trouble for using ai cause the gave them wrong info.
You're a badass & despite the fact that I'm a stranger on the internet, I'm rooting for you, @chaoticoverdrive27 !
@@alexishamham Oh 100%. I was doing a lot of reading into the history of the Yoshiwara in edo Japan, and thought I'd do a little test considering it was a bit of a niche topic. I first asked basic questions like what was the Yoshiwara, and what are Oiran. I then asked chat GPT about the various courtesan ranks from the era, the differences between tayuu and oiran, specific events, etc. The AI got the basic information correct, but would mix up the traits of the different ranks and even told me one of the ranks didn't exist. Chat GPT is good for getting really basic information on a surface level, but if you try to go more specific into a topic it gradually begins to get worse and provide misinformation.
as a disabled person with no money or highschool education, this article IRKED me. they don't care about disabled people because if they did, they would have opened the conversation to AI programs like speech-to-text functions, or spell check which help people like me (someone with bad wrists and dyslexia). nothing about what they're talking about is actually For disabled people, it's just a product they're being paid to push 13:57
It’s so annoying cause their are good use but they only care for those to promote their shitty Ai product, like for mute people they use ai voices to basically talk and that’s amazing but their using it to steals others voices as well
There are so many ways AI can help disabled people; I hate that generative AI is being pushed instead of the types you mentioned :(
@@raspberryfool3279 yeah I know right, voice ai aren’t fully shitty because people with issue speaking or are mute can use them to either return their voice or give a voice that they feels like to represent them but the people that have it want to steal people voices for misinformation or stealing jobs and it so infuriating
@@bingyboi6303its even worse in some parts of the vocaloid fandom, people are using diff-RVC (a fork of diff-SVC which was taken down due to people creating celebrity deepfakes) to pirate the voicebanks. First off they sound like whatever person they melded the diff voicebank onto (happened a lot with jubyphonic, i know because you can hear her vocal inflections in the generated work). Second they could have just done a normal pirate and got the voicebank and noone would know their a theif..... but because they used diff we all know. Ive actually forwarded some offending content to crypton (mikus company) because i am so angry at them. Its one thing to make a jinriki (dont know the exact term) utau of someone but a whole nother thing to make it a realistic deepfake.
Not to mention nowadays if you try to explain vocaloid to someone they think you like ai music. Like no, ew.
@@bingyboi6303also the voices for those who cannot speak were actually made with consent. Unlike the aforementioned diff-SVC banks.
the thing about disabled people "not seeing errors in their work" thus we should accommodate AI "writers" is such a weird take. i see where it might come from in terms of neurodivergencies like dyslexia, and i struggle sometimes to see where i've made mistakes in writing because of my ADHD, but to use disabilities as a defence for genAI is ridiculous. we have resources and such to help us, like spell-check and beta readers, we absolutely don't need AI to do the work for us.
also, thank you for mentioning the other shady stuff they've been up to. i didn't know about it until now, so that's something i want to look into in more depth at some point.
Or you could use LLMs to suggest fixes or look for issues with clarity.
LLMs suck at writing, but they're reasonable in being overly picky on grammar.
@@Seth9809 Except like the OP said, we don't need it. We have spell check, which corrects spelling issues, and beta readers, who are people that read over our works and correct any grammar, spelling, or other errors.
Why split away from something we know works well, puts actual people out of work they enjoy, just to use AI that supposedly is "as good as a human", when we know it can't make writing that flows nearly as well as a human, because it's a machine.
@@elliottlupin I literally just said it sucks at writing. That's a clue about how much your own locked in opinions are altering how you approach this "discussion".
You're completely ignoring that the vast bulk of writers are doing it in their spare time, non-professionally, and without the pressure of commercialization or anything else related to writing professionally.
There is no one to put out of work... I've been in communities that trade critiques and beta-reading for the like, that the vast bulk of people want that service but don't want to provide it... and when they do provide it... They are 3 times as likely to just hate anything, then to say anything remotely constructive.
This competition is phrased and arranged like it's catering to teenagers and people who are within their first three years of writing.
Like 75-90% of us don't have editors of any sort, let alone consistent beta-readers.
I myself am often praised for my feedback, but I find reading other peoples work to be very taxing and doing a proper job beta-reading really wears me out. I only provide that work for people who can trade the same, and most people are not at my level... Like... I'm a straight guy but generally I can do a reasonable job even when reading transgender / female / lesbians romantic/fantasy fiction.
If I had a Nickle every single time someone said they hated action and then wrote like 3 posts picking apart action for being too dramatic and fast.... I'd have like a dollar. Or people who hate horror trying to critique horror and saying it's too scary.
As a neurospicy person with a visual disability, occasionally I literally have difficulty seeing the text on my screen correctly. I use AI to assist with and speed up very basic tasks that are difficult for me (ie. spelling and grammar checks, creating coherent outlines for writing papers at uni, organizing quotes and citations etc). In all of these cases, I've already done the work, and I'm using the AI to automate the repetitive tasks that my brain and eyes have difficulty with. This is a completely different use than creating something from nothing with generative AI that NaNo is talking about. They're implying that writers with disabilities can't write or access any other tools that would allow them to write. It's disgusting!
The thing about the “classism” argument not having people to look over work is that… they did! On the Nano forums! But when the grooming allegations happened, they shut down the forums completely IN THE MIDDLE OF NOVEMBER. So they took that resource away from writers… only to push their AI “beta reader” and call them classist and ableist for disagreeing. Absolutely wild.
Edit: I wrote this before it’s mentioned in the video haha so thank you for pointing it out!
As a disabled and differently brained individual, here are my two cents:
Most if not AI tools for writing and art are guilty of plagiarism. While there might be some value in an AI being able to give some feedback, ultimately any “AI” that writes for you is creatively bankrupt as not only does it not require any personal effort, but steals the material of other writers to do so. Plagiarism is never okay for anyone to do, and to insinuate that some people may need to do so to be competitive is in itself classist and ableist.
Just because someone is neuroatypical does not mean you do not hold them to the same standards of decency of respecting other creatives.
This, this, THIS! The irony in their statements is palpable LMAO
Yeah, plus their defense of allowing "AI" also applies to outright plagiarism...because copying & pasting other authors also saves time and takes less work. There are many people who wouldn't be able to participate in such a contest without copying, after all. 🙄
@@sorryifoldcomment8596 They said they don’t explicitly condemn any approach to writing. My approach is to plagiarize, blatantly and unapologetically. Glad to participate this year, I got my entry done so fast!
I completely agree. Imho, AI has been ruinous to art, writing, and all spheres of creative production really.
As someone who's used AI to help with writers block (dw I don't post or publish any AI written material), it's honestly disturbing how much content is very obviously plagiarized. Like, the AI I used repeated almost the exact same phrase with the same literary devices in two completely different prompts months apart. Looked into it and I'm 99% sure the phrasing was lifted directly from A Tale of Two Cities
Robot discrimination is one of the last forms of prejudice acceptable in our current society
After making this comment, I realised that with the current climate of tech bro culture, people might think it's real
“All civilization was an effort to impress the opposite sex and sometimes the same sex.
DON’T. DATE. ROBOTS.”
Robots at least have a humanoid form. AI doesn't even have that so can it really be considered a robot?? Hmmmm....
@@kiernan415I’d argue that robot is a pretty umbrella term. Robots can be shaped like anything when you think about it! I think android is probably more specific. (I’m not trying to be rude at all, I just really like words :p)
isaac asimov flashbacks
16:30 the reason marginalised people have less opportunities in publishing spaces is not because they are WORSE AT WRITING UUUUUUGH
Claiming to be against classism, racism, and ableism while posting a statement that is all those things to justify their controversial sponsorship. The story really does write itself, since they're promoting AI to do it.
People who use AI and pretend they're actual artists/authors are also evidently reactionaries who believe societal inequities boil down to natural genetic hierarchy, color me shocked.
Omg thank you for putting this so much better than I could've!! That whole section was just implying that people of color aren't actually disadvantaged in publishing because of complex systems of racism, but instead because of personal creative failures that only AI can "fix." What a slap in the face to the many incredible writers of color persevering in an unfair publishing industry and creating wonderful books!!
NaNo's suggestion, translated: "If you're a Black person who can't get publishers to give you the time of day, just use A.I. plagiarize White writers!"
LOL! I guess in their minds they mean to insinuate that just making it easier "to write" gives you a higher output to succeed from, but it's not like ChatGPT is made for and specifically siphoned to ethnic minorities, so it's a comically self-defeating meditation on "egalitarianism."
I'm a disabled writer who often does commission based work. While I am not writing novels on the regular, I do still write daily. To say I do not see the issues with my own work feels like a slap in the face to myself, other writers, and consumers. I would hope that my writing is not being bought out of pure pity. Additionally, who cares if someones writing is bad. People are allowed to make 'bad' art. The point is that you are making art. I hold myself to high standards as I am writing for others, but that is just the standard I hold myself to. No one else needs or should seek to hold themselves to the same standard. I want people to enjoy the writing process, create whatever they feel. Humans are creative. I would rather read a real persons first draft, unedited word vomit than a 'polished' AI word collection.
Yes, this is very hastily written, I have Thoughs™and couldn't wait lol
Hi there - former ML (Municipal Liaison) with NaNoWriMo here. I was fired for criticising the interim director in an email - well, I say fired, the truth is I was told I didn't wish to continue and was removed from my position. Kilby Blades, the interim CEO, responds to any criticism of her, her novels, or the organization, by claiming she is being judged for being a queer author of color. She deadnamed a transgender ML in an email. She called the allegations against moderator X a 'purity culture moment' because an internal investigation 'didn't provide any evidence.' I could go on, but I don't think I need to - she is, last I checked, the ONLY person who actually works at the organization - all the staff have quit and all that is left are interns and volunteers. She is singlehandedly destroying it.
I love that if any organization is gonna have a multi-page, in-depth, and comprehensible Google doc explaining the criticisms and issues; of course it’s gonna be the one for writers.
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Please don't let Nanowrimo represent writers in your mind. Writers all over the world are stepping away from them.
@@edupunknoobThe comment was probably more referring to the fact that writers are the ones capable of writing such a thorough and extensive document about NaNoWriMo in the first place.
Not lumping in all writers as NaNoWriMo fans.
@baydiac Honestly, at the moment NaNoWriMo participants in general shouldn't even be associated with everything the organisation has been pulling. Most of it has only properly come to the surface early this year (with the making and spread of the google doc), and the large majority of writers only start trickling back in to the site (and now defunct forums) when November is on the horizon. Which is why I am _extremely_ curious as to what's going to happen starting October, when I believe people will slowly start returning and notice a hell of a disturbance in the Force.
This November would've been my 20th year doing NaNo; it's brought me a lot of incredible things, but what HQ seems to not understand is that none of those things are truly related to _them_ (or at least haven't been in a very long time). Pretty much all of what they offer are things that a good google spreadsheet can do just the same, if not better. But the community, which they have basically nuked? Irreplaceable. I don't know anyone who's aware of the entire situation that is also willing to continue associating themselves with the site, even purely on a 'eh sure I'll update my word count on there' level. A lot of people are coordinating on discords and other writing communities, and still planning to write the 50k in November for the tradition of it, but there's nothing we need the NaNoWriMo organisation for--however, they very much need us, and I'm stocking up on popcorn come November once they realise exactly how badly they fucked up.
its my duty as one of the people still left on tumblr to report that the person running the nanowrimo tumblr account was deleting negative replies on the tumblr version of this post and then would DM the people whose replies they deleted to say that they were violating nanowrimo’s website rules (though this is happening on tumblr. Not nanowrimo’s website.)
holy lmao. I'll take it that the Streisand Effect is in full force over there with that type of "damage control" just spreading the word to not do NaNoWriMo anymore
That was a separate incident a few months ago, but correct. What you left out though is that they then deleted the post, but everything had been screenshotted and preserved in the tumblr thread anyways lmao.
"one of the people still left on tumblr" tumblr is the only social media i use bc others are so annoying with ads and influencers 😭 it's definitely not a dying site lol
@@pochaccocinotumblr users have a specific way of being insane that makes it very hard to kill
@@pochaccocino I'm on there too, but there's something coming that is probably going to suck for us. They're apparently looking to migrate the site over to WordPress. There was a job ad for it someone posted to tumblr. So y'know, looking forward to upheaval in the future I guess! 😢
Dude this is so unhinged I actually can't.
The fact they bring up classism too and how "not everyone has the resources to make a living without the use of AI", when the AI company they're glazing is actively contributing to that problem. Authors', and all kinds of artists' in general, livelihoods are being threatened when more and more corporations choose to use cheap AI generated art (made from stolen art) instead of paying artists. AI is hurting real artists because, unlike what these clowns claim, AI in general just isn't actually being used in an empowering way for the working class at all
Not even beginning to mention how much power these models take. A chatGPT response to a question uses about 2x as much electricity as a Google search, just to give you one single answer that is probably wrong anyway 💀
Also aren’t big generators like MidJourney n shit a paid subscription service??? I can literally go to the dollar store and write a beautiful poem w a cheap notebook and pencil for like $3 and it can last months😭😭 classist my ass bro
I haven't heard a single story of large corpos using generative AI as a writing tool. The US Copyright Office explicitly stated their position that generative AI is uncopyrighted and uncopyrightable. Because even if it produces original work it does so without the necessary influence of an artists. I don't know if you realize just how important it is for Multimedia companies' intellectual property rights to be outside a copyright deadzone. They start writing whole scripts with it and they're effectively in the public domain. Believe me this is the scariest thing a lawyer could say to them. They don't want "effectively public domain" to be their starting point on anything.
this is actually so sad because the actual nanowrimo community as a whole is massively sweet. there's a local branch in my city that made me feel so welcomed at a time where i was at my lowest and i met one of my really good friends through there and its just... so sad for all of that to be tainted by the organization behind it all. the people running my local nano branch and everyone involved in it are some of the kindest individuals ive met online. and to think i was actually looking forward to going to in person events this year :(
im sure we'll all meet up anyways but it still hurts to know that the event that brought us together is run so horribly.
Places AI can be genuinely helpful:
- Grammar/spellchecking/tone assisting professional memos & emails in the workplace
- Helping to draft professional emails/memos in the workplace (with the obvious need for human input afterwards)
- Translation software that can help peope who don't speak the dominant language access important services like banking, healthcare, and education
Places AI needs to be drastically regulated with ironclad legislation:
- The wholesale creation of art
- the replacement of actors
-the resurrection of dead actors
- the replacement of audiobook performers
Places AI doesn't belong ever:
- as a replacement for learning and improving a skill
using the comment section as a second like!!
LLM AI is so bad that I have to question even the application of a simple grammar/spellchecker with it. Those things USED to work well. Now more and more corporations are linking them to LLM AI and the resulting suggestions are wild and often blatantly incorrect. AI is actively making grammar and spelling checkers worse.
Tbh I'd put wholesale creation of art and resurrection of dead actors in the third category.
Even the first mentioned uses tend to be problematic, because many, if not all companies offering LLM services will claim the right to use your original work for their AI's development. Therefore, it isn't really that great to use them for editing or spellchecking.
The way that them saying "disabled people need to use ai to write better and if you disagree you're ableist" is in fact the actual ableist statement. I'm disabled and this is just rude and disrespectful :/
Right?? Like did a disabled person even write that sentence or is another company just trying to lure ppl in with performative activism. Also even if a disabled person did write it, they don’t speak for all disabled ppl. YUCKY
Remember how Monet continued to paint even after he was blind, and how Beethoven continued to compose music even after he went deaf? I bet they secretly used AI technology and just didn’t tell anyone, since they’d be taking advantage of temporal anomalies, and that’s a classist thing since no one else had access to their rifts in space time.
My joke is kinda clunky, so maybe I should’ve asked an AI program to write it for me. It would’ve been much funnier, I’m sure.
LMAO double zinger. snaps for u
Beethoven continued to write as he lost his hearing, not Mozart.
One of the most famous pieces of symphonic music that is still regularly played to this day, is Beethoven's 'Ode to Joy', which was his 9th Symphony and written when he was completely deaf.
@@goldfishaddict6368 AH DANG, THANK YOU. I can’t believe I got that wrong!
Edit: The ableism is coming from inside the house.
There is a serious difference between "I used a random character or town name generator to help figure out some minor details" (and even then it's good practice to edit/alter the results) and "I had a machine write the entire plot for me and I filled in a few details here or there". Not to be an English major or anything, but AI does NOT belong in the creative space. Whatsoever.
Also a lot of those generators are not at all same as generative AI! In the case of something like Springhole or Fantasynames, made for writers, they're literally just lottery randomozers created by particular people with very simple code.
Yeah I use LLMs as like a random table generator or like a bad idea pitcher or a syntax checker.
I'm stuck writing the 4k words still, excluding some adjectives that sound nice.
As an ML (regional volunteer) who was just quietly dismissed early this year and hasn't received any word since, I really THANK YOU for making this.
I love how you pointed out all the typos, because the NaNo organization does act very disorganizedly at times. Being involved in the community and present for a lot of the terrible events which occurred, at one point I nearly applied to be a forum moderator. Upon opening the google form for application, however, I found that I had FULL EDIT ACCESS to the form and could view all of the responses. Being a good citizen, thankfully, I used my newfound power to fix the problem. What a joke.
ONLIRIER??????????????? (it's moss!!)
@@mossyairplanes What are the odds? Great to see you!
soooo my semester just started. and i saw someone using obvious ChatGPT in a discussion board online. I noticed two discussions posted by different people that read almost identically, even with the exact same grammar errors and random capitalizations in the middle of the sentence. i sent my professor an email about this with a screenshot of the discussion board. her reasoning was that “some students don’t speak good english” but that it wasn’t plagiarism. but it was obviously AI generated text, and the excuse of “they’re bad at english” absolutely floored me. there are many classes available for english learners and i don’t think any of them say to just use ChatGPT for your assignments. wouldn’t it be worse to use ChatGPT to learn english, since it makes so many errors??
like it just reminds me of the ableism argument here: clearly [people with disabilities, people who are learning english] NEED our AI tools to cheat because they just couldn’t do it otherwise? i’m legit scared for academic honesty if professors refuse to acknowledge blatant plagiarism.
Oof. My semester has started too, and already there were several ai-generated mini essays posted to the discussion board. Luckily, my teacher is strict about that, and stated (very nicely?) that she does not allow AI generated work and is eager to hear our own thoughts next week.
As someone who's played around with AI in my free time, it was blatantly obvious they used it, even without the detector.
@@Tail_sezthe detectors aren't the best, but after a while of reading ai work, you just tell. it's stiff and lifeless. uses the same types of phrases and stuff.
You need to report this to the department head
I'm a TA who grades a lot of essays and longform lab reports by students who don't have English as their first language, and it's really not hard to tell the difference- the types of mistakes one makes when using a less familiar language just don't look like the ones you get from generative AI. I suspect your professor was either unwilling to put any time into investigating it or didn't want to admit that it was a problem worth worrying about.
I'd definitely pass this along to whoever is the head/chair of the department, or better yet look up who's responsible for the academic integrity investigations as it's honestly way better for even the students using AI to get in trouble for it early, before they spend years on a degree that gets revoked when their plagiarism inevitably comes to light and they get blacklisted from much of their academic options. I've seen people lose their qualifications years after the fact as plagiarism detection tools improved and rediscovered their wrongdoings long after they'd think they'd have gotten away with it. Not to mention it's just inappropriate for a professor to demean the ability of non-native English speakers, it's genuinely offensive to insinuate they'd need AI just because it's not their first language.
That's WILD cuz I just started my semester and every class syllabus is like "DO NOT USE AI !!! YOU WILL FAIL!!"
you know, "some people use AI because they can't afford ghostwriters" wasn't something i would hear today.
like... that's an argument that someone who only uses other people's achievements to further their own financial gain would come up with to justify doing exactly like that.
The thing is... You can tell when someone is using AI. It's harder to tell when someone is using a ghostwriter. Obviously you can look at someone like Trump and just know he's never physically written a book and clearly used a ghostwriter.
But anyway, AI does not have the skill set that a ghostwriter does. It's insulting to ghostwriters to claim that they're on a comparable level.
Oh, dear.
I’ve done NaNo for many years, “winning” a number of times. It was a trip hanging out on the forums, looking over book covers people created for their nascent novels, updating our word counts, sharing the triumph when we reached our goals, supporting one another, bouncing ideas off of each other (“others” being presumably real humans existing elsewhere in the world).
I have quite a bit of the merch, including mugs and t-shirts. I did NaNo with my Creative Writing class one year, using the support materials I purchased from the organization, like charts, pins, stickers, cards that had inspiration ideas on them if you got stumped…you still had to do the actual writing, though. (The students had personalized word count goals, not 50k, and as far as I know none of them visited the forums, thank goodness.)
Then there was the forum controversy and now this… yikes. Good-bye, NaNoWriMo. We had a good run.
I hope you can find a community, or a new one arises, for you to keep pursuing your passion with others.
It really is like a kick in the teeth, isn’t it? I’ve done Nano 10+ years in a row, was an ML for my area, and ran the writing group in my area on top of it. Nano was huge for us and basically that’s just gone now. It’s sad lol I’m still going to do Nano because I’m all about the spirit of it and I love writing but damn.
@@Quossum "winnging"(Fair and square)
hey, you were on the forum as well? it's interesting finding others who were
I've participated in writing a Nanowrimo story since 2007 (making no other contributions to the site/group than my simple participation) and the writing forums were absolutely my #1 favorite place to hang out and discuss what you were writing, or topics of writing generally. And year-round too, despite the night-and-day difference between the off-months and November.
I skipped participating in 2020 (though I still hung out around the forums) due to its everything, but I kind of regret that -- aka. _not_ having a peaceful escape/respite from all the surrounding news.
In 2023 I was forced to deal with serious computer problems at approximately the same time the forums were initially shut off, making it feel like a double whammy. My draft survived somehow and I still finished, but the loss of its forums was keenly felt. Chat rooms/servers are simply not the same, _period,_ the difference is intrinsic and fundamental.
I don't want 2024 to become a repeat of 2020, I will likely be writing something this year. But it will be lonely without people to share the experience with....
imagine saying "some people aren't good enough and we support the right to replace them with robots" and calling OTHER people prejudiced lmao
I'm tired of ableism being used as an excuse for AI.
I'm a disabled illustrator and writer. I often go days without creating due to chronic fatigue and chronic pain. When I am able to create, its often only for short periods of time. It is difficult for me to think up and commit to complex pieces due to neurological problems. My social media posts are often months apart because of how much my disability slows my work flow.
I would still choose to never draw or write again over using AI.
I also follow many disabled artists, including one with limited mobility in their arms who holds their paintbrush or stylus in their mouth. Many of my favorite authors, amateur and published, are disabled.
Implying disabled people NEED AI to create is the real ableism here because it creates a narrow minded perception of what disabled people are capable of. I will never be able to create art as fast or complex as non-disabled people. But I do not need to destroy the planet using a machine that spits out lovecraftian anime girls made from the shattered remains of stolen art pieces to create art.
People who think AI can replace real writing don’t understand how terrible it is. I tend to have that tip of my tongue feeling when I write, so when I start to write I usually describe the scene to the Snapchat AI and tell it to feed me something.
Then the scene it feeds me is so Garbage that I go “I can write better than that.” And spite fuels me to write a better scene. I couldn’t imagine anyone trying to submit the garbage I’ve gotten as real work.
There are so many Ai books on amazon, all of them are pure lazy nonsense.
@@mirimarianaikr, AI writing is so obvious and so bad
AI might actually be helpful then /j /j /j I’m not an AI bro please don’t bash me in the replies this is /j
@56KSC I would agree! Except that it is trained off of stolen work. If it was trained off of work voluntarily given to it, or work that was paid for, I'd have little issues for it being used for very simple revisions. But right now it's really just plagiarism bot 3000 and I don't think anyone should be supporting it
I think ai can be useful, as a tool for pekple, not as a replacment for human thinking @@JuliaJulia-vh4xc
I’m a disabled artist. For around 8 years I was severely ill, on palliative care and almost unable to make art at all. That was devastating to me and I felt like I had lost my identity. To me, art is a spiritual experience, I need it to live, and that’s precisely why I would never use AI to make “art”. There is no art without a human element. I can see benefits to certain types of AI being used to assist the creative process, but never to entirely take over that process. Even if I got that sick again I would NEVER use AI to entirely take over my creative process. There would be no point. I understand that I am one person and I don’t claim to represent the experience of every disabled person, but I disagree with the concept of anti-AI being ableist. In my opinion that argument trivializes actual ableist rhetoric and exclusion in artistic spaces to justify the use of a deeply problematic tool. And that doesn’t even take into account the host of other issues with it like theft, lost jobs and the environmental impact.
It's not just soulless, it's a *cheating* tool that sacrifices the artistic process for instant gratification
and the notion that being anti-AI is ableist, is not just misguided, but also in my opinion patronizing to disabled/special needs artists and writers trying to work through their disability to do what they love
@@JerryTVong AI is to art as aimbot is to gaming.
Yeah I can’t imagine using AI would at all be fulfilling to someone’s need for a creative outlet. It doesn’t make the creative process “accessible” because it doesn’t let the person actually create. I’d never feel like a machine spiting out content could replace the feeling of my paintbrush on paper or my fingers on the keyboard
@@TwiliPaladinthat’s…a really good analogy and it makes it clear how AI does the exact opposite of helping minorities have a voice in the creative field. It’s like the folk tale of John Henry. The machine didn’t help those minority railroad workers accomplish their job, it came in and did their work faster to push them out of their career.
Absolutely. One of the common factors I've found with AI proponents is that they fundamentally misunderstand the purpose and role of art in the human experience. Art is expression; it's therapeutic; it's a means of communicating truths and connecting with each other as human beings. Why on Earth would we ever choose to farm that out to algorithms and software? At the core of every pro-AI argument I've read there beats the shriveled, blackened heart of capitalism, demanding "content" at superhuman rates of production in order to generate money for the techbros at the top of the wealth pyramid. And if they have to commit the greatest art theft in human history while eradicating the environment to do so, that's what they're willing to do.
To paraphrase, I want robots to do my laundry and dishes so I have more time to make art, not for robots to make art so I have more time to do laundry and dishes.
4:45 this is why you never make a litteral community of writers mad they will do the research and they will go off on you and rightfully so
The amount of extremely well worded emails and exposees Ive read during this year of NaNo dramas is indeed impressive. Sadly NaNo HQ doesnt put in the same effort
i never thought nanowrimo of all things would ever reach it's "live long enough 2 see urself become the villain" moment but here we are
Imagine submitting *words you did not write* to a *writing contest*. How do these people sleep at night?
I encountered it in the wild elsewhere. I had to judge an entry and I couldn't work out why my brain was disassociating midway through sentences. It was because nothing happened, it was empty noise, and once I realised it was AI, I couldn't unsee it.
Anyway, the entry got disqualified. Proudest day of my week
As someone with a disability... People need to stop only ever bringing up disability and ableism when it's convenient or helpful for them. It's so disappointing seeing people use disabled people to make an argument knowing damn well they will never discuss it again or do anything that will actually help disabled people. Sometimes the most tiring part of disability is dealing with other people's and company's bs. 😐
im an author and freelance writer who is disabled, poor, and indigenous. my work has been plagiarized multiple times in the past by people claiming it was their own. now, with ai people are able to plagiarize without any effort or thought at all. chatgpt and other ai ‘services’ have already admitted they need free access to copyrighted materials in order to function.
what has happened and will inevitably get worse is that people who are not writers will generate stolen ideas from marginalized authors and use them and claim them as if they are their own.
it is theft from the well of creativity, experience, and knowledge already present from those who want to read it, and the stolen bits are mangled and lacking.
as someone who has felt grief over writing for over a decade, to think people are out there doing no introspection, no suffering, no research, and producing deformed clustered knock offs of masterpieces that already exist - it makes me sick.
any one can weave a narrative, tell a story, write a book, it just takes the willpower to see it through.
generating slop off the backs of countless others who genuinely wrote their own words is as low as it gets.
there were already countless resources out there for assisting the writing process, and ai is not an assist. it’s stealing from people who are capable of something you aren’t.
also, being stolen from creatively hurts. someone else claiming your hours of emotional efforts that are meant to impact others and taking credit for the way your readers felt reading that sucks a lot. especially when you are trying to teach or expand on concepts, someone taking credit for your intellectual analysis feels awful.
if i saw mangled pieces of my own work in something ai generated i probably wouldnt be able to feel sad, just angry.
automizing mass creative theft is one of the worst things we as a species have done recently.
AI content is truly a black hole. Its users rob other writers of their work, their readers of genuine experiences, and themselves of honest achievement. It's nothing but loss and corruption for everyone who comes in contact with it.
"if I saw mangled piece of my own work in something ai generated i probably wouldnt be able to feel sad, just angry."
There is almost zero chance of that happening. In fact that's the exact reason they've made the argument that they need access to as much material (including copyrighted material) as possible in order for the software to function. "To function" means among other things to not copy material word for word. If you were in a position to recognize how an AI drew from your work, it would need to be a sample set so small it's made up almost entirely of your, and similar works - statistically. It basically draws from a probability cloud of most likely words related to a given topic. The more data it has the more generic the output.
I say this to make one simple fact clear - it does not need to be theft for it to be wrong.
This. AI art fills me with a rage that I can barely articulate. At least with traditional plagiarism there’s some person/company you can point to and say “they stole from me.” You might never get justice but at least you know who did it and what they took. With generative AI you’ll never even know what bits of your soul were stolen. Its vile!
@@futurestoryteller Amusingly, this also means that, if people keep posting AI generated material, and the people producing said AI aren't careful with their data sources and start using those pieces as their resources, their success may end up degrading their own product through compounding errors, like a snake eating it's own tail.
@@Nixeu42 This isn't an if: this is known to be happening right now.
Imagine if this company ran the Paralympics they'd claim it's "ableist" to have disabled people doing the events
More like if someone who can’t swim kidnapped Michael Phelps and made him swim for them and Nano was like “yeah sure you can say you swam that here’s the gold medal wow good job”
"Black people need AI" 😭 IDK how they thought that minority one was a good line
14:40 OBVIOUSLY brains don’t all function at the same level of proficiency, their statement about AI proves that much.
just some FYIs from someone who is way too close to the whole situation :)
there is no PR person, all the prior staff left and currently the org is run by interim executive director, Kilby Blades, the intern turned communications director and a part time contractor for IT/software development
the FAQ's are written by Kilby who, despite her AI generated profile picture, is in fact a black woman. who is very very rich, very very privileged, very very out of touch with her userbase and likes to weaponize social justice speak for her benefit.
the AI FAQ is likely written in response to a prowritingaid sponsor post on tumblr that received backlash and was deleted - Kilby actually sent people DMs on tumblr claiming nano would "enforce their code of conduct on all platforms" and users were in "violation" by commenting anti AI sentiment on the post (there are screenshots, it's hilarious).
given how publicly this blew up and based on her past behavior, i'd expect to see an extremely reactive response from her by now but alas, she's off at a fancy writers retreat in Europe for the week.....
my understanding is the 'writers board' was just a list of published authors who'd agreed to let nano use their names in promotions, maybe write a pep talk ect to give nano legitimacy in writer spaces
they were not a board of directors or a group of writers who had any input on how the org is run (there is a board of directors but it's not the same as the writers board)
wait run that stuff about Kilby by me again? The fact she'd hiding behind a white ai-derived pfp is almost impressive.
@@TheoRae8289 perhaps I worded that badly? I just meant she uses a cartoonish AI pfp, not a real photo. I don't think any of the various AI pfps she uses depict a white person.
"Kilby who, despite her AI generated profile picture, is in fact a black woman" (paragraph #3) kinda implies that there was something about her pfp that would make you think she is not black
EDIT: oh wait are you just saying that the AI pfps make her look like a bot account?
Ehhh, not surprising to see such people use AI as well even if most AI slop I've seen or heard of comes from either the alt-right Twitter folk, Facebook boomers or braindead Christians who are doing the work of the Devil by "making" AI generated bible crap.
Her thinking NaNo rules can be enforced on other platforms that are not affiliated with NaNo is like a Kentucky police officer writing you a ticket for violating a law from New York with New York license plates while in Kentucky.
NaNo does NOT have a PR manager. As far as we're aware, there is the interim ED (Kim Palacios aka Kilby Blades) and a poor communications intern that got promoted to full comm manager. So this org dropped massively from a dozen or so employees to 2. And no board left that we can see, but they did remove the employees page so who knows.
I feel so bad for that “promoted” intern. This disaster is going to stain their resume for a long time
The whole “not everybody has the same abilities/brains so they need AI to do this” is… kind of insane.
Like yeah, not everyone can finish NaNoWriMo. MOST people can’t. That’s why it’s a CHALLENGE.
As someone whose executive dysfunction is too strong to let me write even a short chapter in a month, I do not want to participate in an event that would let me win with AI.
Seriously, I've tried this and both the way I write and my ADHD means that I'm not able to do it, and I have so much respect for people who do it. It's really cool to see people complete this sort of challenge, and telling the community that just putting a prompt into a generative """"AI"""" to have it write for you is insulting to literally every writer ever.
Even then, a lot of the people who do this challenge ARE disabled.
The writer who introduced me to this challenge many years ago was one with developmental delays
I would also like to point out, famous Mexican painter, Frida Kahlo, was disabled from polio and a bus accident and learned to paint lying on her back using a specially designed easel to make it easier to paint while bedridden. Brolylegs, one of the best Street Fighter players in the world, plays the game entirely with his face because his disability makes his hands almost unusable. If they can figure out how to overcome their disabilities to do what they want to do and become really good at it, then a disabled writer can easily figure out how to write despite their own limitations making it harder for them without an algorithm doing all the work for them so they can claim the credit.
The 'but ableism!!!' argument is a favorite of tech bros and has been for some time. Ignoring the fact that disabled artists + writers exist, have always existed, and AI training datasets steal their work without permission like everyone else.
Just keep in mind to use this AI tool for the 50 day challenge would cost you $500. So not sure how the poorer writers would afford that.
This. The AI tools that they suggest have a pay wall SOMEWHERE.
It's still cheaper than the team of editors that everyone else has, I guess 🤦♀️
@@VickySidler it is quite funny as if you don't have friends or family who will do it for free. You can hire someone to do what the AI does for half the price on fiver
Exactly this.
and they have the AUDACITY to say that this will help people with a few money?
if your entire demographic are WRITERS who'd submit 50k manuscript for seemingly funsies, WHY would you piss them off. now you have google docs record of all your wrongdoings in vivid detail
This. This is the heart of the issue. The ableism, classism, and racism in their post are just the cyanide-laced cherry atop their coke-laced ice cream. Writers write. Telling writers to let something else do the writing for them is like telling a chef to make a freezer-ready meal in a microwave. The creativity from within ourselves is what makes our books unique. And, whether NaNoWriMo wants to admit it or not, even disabled, poor, and underrepresented people can be creative. Telling ANY author that we should let AI write our books for us when other assistive tools and communities have existed for at least a decade is so beyond tone-deaf that it makes me wonder if the post was made with AI.
And y'know what? Yeah, some people don't have the skills needed to write good books- and that's okay! I can't weld, so should people invent a robot that helps me weld so I can get into that industry? NO! Either I goddamn learn how to weld, or I pick a different field of work. People who aren't good at writing can either learn better techniques or pick a different field. It has nothing to do with disabilities, poverty, or race, btw, since there are plenty of neurotypical, able-bodied, cishet white men who are absolutely dog-dukey at writing (some of whom get published anyway, but that's not the fault of the minorities they trampled).
The way I basically grew up on nanowrimo and I'm only hearing about this controversy through D'Angelo 😭😭
My first book was a NaNoWriMo book and I’m only hearing this first from D’Angelo!
@@sahie for real, is it bad that my main news source is a UA-camr?? lmao
@@bbmmebabysame tho
what the hell is nanowrino
@@bbmmebaby the TV ones don't do journalism anymore, so yeah.
somehow i KNEW i was going to see a video by you on this topic! as a disabled and poverty-level author (who doesn't even participate in nanowrimo anymore but knows a lot of people who do), i'm really passionate about accessibility in the writing community, and i've been spitting mad about this whole issue for what feels like weeks but has only been like a day and a half. it's absolutely a WILD take especially in a field that by its very nature is so heavily populated with every single minority they were targeting and trying to use as a shield. you're right that it has to have been mathematically the most number of people that they could have pissed off. i've seen some claims that whoever's behind these posts has also been in people's dm's on various social media platforms fighting with them, which i wouldn't be surprised to find was true. the writing community will absolutely recover from this, but i really hope nanowrimo the organisation does not.
I have physical and mental disabilities and I'm a writer. I do NOT need a bad algorithm to think for me. Fuck ai.
AI is the least of NaNoWriMo's controversy. I stopped participating in all of the events when the gr00ming allegations came to light.
The HUH????
Yeah that's why i stopped too smh
I'm sorry?!?!
D'Angelo talks about it in the video y'all 4:08
The WHAT?
The good news is you don't need them, their website, or their organisation to write 50,000 words in a month
While technically true, which is supposed to be the best kind of true, it does not appear to be literally true, considering how effective the challenge was for so many people, for decades.
Plus I guess this was gone anyway, but there is also the communal structure of an organized yearly event. Kind of hard for random people to just recreate that - usually.
I once wrote 55, 900 in a little under three months all because I liked the fic. I’m still continuing it, lol.
Actually quite a few regions are planning to hold the challenge again in their communities, just not associated with NaNoWriMo. I'm in a region that was pretty active. The previous MLs are still going to hold the event, just greatly expanded (a month of prep before hand and a month of wrap-up/editing after)
Many people are using the structures that were originally set up by NaNo to do their own thing. The communities aren't dissolved because of this, maybe just a bit harder to find.
i saw this on tumblr and i was genuinely flabbergasted. the NERVE of them
I saw a reblog where they straight-up barged into someone's DMs and tried to enforce their code of conduct on this person after they criticized them. Reminder, this is on TUMBLR, not a website run by NaNoWriMo. They have absolutely no leg to stand on but had the audacity to try to police this random person's speech lmao.
SAME- like,, HUH??? I thought it was satire for a hot second because it was so absurd
@@Silvermoon424there's a brazilian expression for when someone receives extremely shocking news: "é de cair o cu da bunda" or (rough translation) "this could make someone's asshole fall outta their ass". this is all i can think of as a response
@@Silvermoon424 i saw that too!! they were really like "u have to be nice to us when we message u cuz we said so 🥺🥺🥺"
Capitalists, ammirite?
13:40 are we sure they didnt get this statement from chatgpt? 😂
Storytelling is literally the most accessible form of art in the world.
So like are they implying that disable and poc authors are unable to write without AI? Is not like disable and poc authors have existed literally for CENTURIES just fine. O wait, maybe they don't know that.
Or just like .. The pratice of writing has existed just fine before AI was even a thought
I saw a really succinct clip of someone talking about how they suffered a stroke and how writing has been a huge part of their rehabilitation. They've come to understand that perfection is not the joy of writing, but creating itself is, pointing out that the need for everything to be perfectly edited in perfect english is in itself ableist. That's not what a writing challenge should be about, it should be about the joy of creating.
my wife was a regional representative for NaNo (in Europe) up until this spring and we've just been laughing at this dumpster fire ever since. what a shame.
like, if you want more vid material or just to lose your mind about the stupidity of a volunteer-based organization, look into how the volunteers (municipal liaisons) were being mistreated by the same person who put out this statement: Kilby Blades (not her real name)
As someone who has no idea how NaNo is run I hope this act of idiocy doesn't affect her. Is it just a couple of loud idiots?
@@seekittycat it's basically only her and like 2 interns. everybody else either quit or was fired. we still don't know what happened to some of them, like the previous person in charge of communicating with the volunteers (Sarah) - she went on "leave" in February and then her name disappeared from official websites and was never heard from again.
@@WinnieCPT That's crazy it's one thing to write a shill article it's another to fire people 😨. I understand the people who leave. What's NaNo's reason of firing people?
The best part is that NaNoWriMo issued a follow-up statement -- even their addled brains could sense the heat of the firestorm they started -- and they basically doubled down on everything, even going to far as to acknowledge ethical problems with generative AI and then say they would not take a stance because they basically had no place in the discussion. What they did was what my father used to refer to as "taking a long walk off a short pier."
This latest bs is honestly the least of NaNoWriMo's problems; they've been speedrunning their reputation into the ground for a while now. I think it was back in March that certain things (let's just say the FBI got involved at one point) finally blew up to the point people were demanding answers from HQ, who instead fired all volunteers overnight (about 800, many with over a decade worth of experience), locked the forums, and eventually came up with a shady af contract said volunteers would have to sign for the privilege of dedicating a massive amount of time to making HQ money, which iirc was in blatant violation with the laws of the EU at one point.
I hate the fact that AI is basically destroying creative work. My dream since I was a teen was to translate books, but because of AI this field is dying and now it's harder than ever to actually make it in it.
one of the things I think is really interesting is the history of creative translations being used to change a story. there was this one anime I was reading about, I believe it was my hero academia? there was a character that is pretty much universally hated in both the Japanese and American dub but the Turkish translators completely overhauled a lot of the dialogue so that he was actually a really respectful, thoughtful, and helpful character. I think it is really interesting when a syndicated work in particular is not interpreted differently but consciously changed. I think it runs into a moral strangeness but it is so interesting to me.
@@dizzylilthing there's more due to cultural differences as you pointed it out. Some things were accepted by some cultures and not by others, so in the process of translating and dubbing they would change some things so it would be more suitable for the country they were dubbing and translating for. Nowadays that doesn't happen as much, although some things will be adapted like jokes. I see creative translation more as an adaptation than a word for word translation. To translate a creative work is to pass the same message, trying to keep the words as close to original as possible. It's a whole creative work itself. And it's fun (for me) but it's being completely overruled by AI. It was already hard cause in a lot of countries is not even a regulated job, is motley solely a freelance career. Anyways, I also find interesting the older translations and dubbings :)
The whole point of automation was to do the boring tasks people didn't want to waste time with. It was never supposed to take over hobbies and art. Sometimes I feel like when you look at the big picture, the trend of sucking away creativity and replacing with bland, generic stuff is intentional. A bit unrelated, but take store architecture for example. 90s and early 2000s Taco Bell/McDonald/Pizza Hut/Target designs were so zany and colorful and full of life. Now, the outside of McDonald's looks like a bank and everything is so generic. It's like they want us to feel nothing. Maybe I'm crazy idk. But something seems weird.
@@dizzylilthing
That’s probably Mineta. It’s interesting to think of him as a respectful and thoughtful guy because he’s the exact opposite generally lol
@@ambermichelle8231If the serfs feel any amount of joy, that gives them energy, energy which may be used to rebel.
NANOWRIMO: Criticising us is virtue-signalling! ALSO NANOWRIMO: Anyway, let us pretend to care about minorities to defend our pride
i like how their take is that "not everyone is as good at writing as everyone else so they need AI help" and its like.....isn't the point of a competition to see who is the best at it? like yea not everyone is that good at it, thats the 'competition' part of the competition
The worst part is that it's not even about being the best! It's just a challenge to encourage to start writing in general! The winning comes from completing the 50,000 words. They even have 'nano rebels' who set their own word goal.
It used to be about encouraging people to finish a first draft, even if it was trash. Because that's what editing is for. But you can't edit a blank page.
I did NaNoWriMo for about a decade many years ago (I think my last year was 2011? 2012?) and was even a volunteer organizer for my area for a handful of those years. I loved doing it, I loved the community around the event, and I still think of it fondly. I'm really sad they are taking this worst possible path and my disappointment is immeasurable.
I did not expect D’Angelo to cover this NaNoWriMo thing. Tumblr’s writing community has been in flames 😅
Their take on the disabled is a line crossed I cannot forgive. What they did was take a vulnerable community and put them in the front lines of this conflict. Lets lump tools and generators together and convince people to blame disabled people if anyone argues. I hate seeing every disabled person I know feeling like they are silenced in the onslaught of anger or having to defend their need for tools to help them write. One credit I will give is most of the community I know are just as pissed and keeping the focus where it should be, at Nano for doing this horrible thing.
We don't need AI to make art. Period, full stop.
Saying that disabled people cant be creative without AI is such an albeist and dumb take lmao Do they not realize that it implies that they think disabled people arent smart or creative enough to create art on THEIR OWN??
This is like when Ronald Reagan said corporations had “souls”, and we all know how *that* turned out!
I am autistic, and I write as a hobby. There is in fact one specific use case where I do use an AI tool - to provide tone feedback for my professional emails. It's a specific tool designed for the purpose and is genuinely useful in preventing me from accidentally offending and upsetting my coworkers.
I have no intention or desire to use generative AI in my hobby writing. It would take all the fun out of it, and I wouldn't be able to call it my own work. Even using it to edit - I've used digital tools to highlight possible issues, but it's important to me that I make the decisions and edits myself.
I am firmly of the opinion that regardless of skill level, a writer who is earnestly creating from the heart will write something of value, even if it isn't as polished or "high quality" as a published work. AI cannot read your mind and tell your story for you.
NaNo can get wrecked.
I'm so tired of these companies claiming to be all inclusive as a way of getting away with shitty practices, like they care about disabled people all of the sudden. My uncle is dyslexic and has written books and stageplays, still writing at 69 (heh). I'm autistic and get burnt out, meaning I have no energy to draw. I can never imagine using AI as a middleman for my creativity.
This is so funny bc AI literally has been accused of all sorts of racism over the time
THIS!! In most cases, AI is based on the largest available pool of data, meaning whatever AI they’re promoting is mostly based on the published writing of white men. Additionally, AI has already started referencing itself and might be at risk of becoming an ouroboros.
A self-referential, racist mess.
People who use AI like that are... the polite word would be to call them morally bankrupt and intellectually bereft.
@@TheGreatGriselda”intellectually” , not “cognitively”
@@TheGreatGriselda I absolutely believe that everybody who has access to the internet can learn enough to be able to understand, comprehend and analyse the issue. I don't consider them stupid, mind you. I genuinely consider them people who CHOOSE to be willfully ignorant. For me that is something very close to what I think the word "sin" should actually mean.
Though I like your description as well.
@@TheGreatGriseldaintellectual is about what can be learned- not how. One can lack intelligence in everything but one topic which they could be a genius in. Intelligence is purely a measure of active knowledge of a subject and not based on a person physical abilities ❤
I'm poor and disabled, I hate AI, whenever someone/a company co-opts progressive language to defend AI, I would just prefer a statement along the lines of 'we prefer the money of lazy people over our actual community'
I'm a disabled writer who's been in the community for a hot minute and disabled writers and poor writers have already been modifying nanowrimo to be more achievable within our abilities/resources for years... How annoying for disabled writers to be used as an arguing point while clearly not actually considering the ways in which disabled writers have already been using our resourcefulness to participate in an art form and community that often does not include us by default.
omg cant believe this left the writing bubble and it’s being covered by d’angelo 😭😭 nano fumbled badddd
12:31 Okay wait. We're talking about NaNo, NaNo is all about extremely rough drafts, why are they arguing from access to editing services?
Because fooling people into paying for sponsors by dangling the dream of edited, published bestseller novels ahead of them is more lucrative than encouraging the actual hobby writing that nano was started for.
This a new low.
right?? like, i thought the whole point of NaNo was to kick your own butt into gear and just WRITE for the sake of writing, not to produce one perfectly polished manuscript to pitch around to publishing houses... like??
“To call out my laziness and artistic theft is morally wrong, because I want to continue making money/clout off of no effort or talent of my own”
There, fixed it for them
Thank you Internet Werewolf
As a disabled writer, woah. I often struggle to write, but i would never disrespect myself and my work by using ai to write for me??? The whole point of writing is that it comes from you; it's sort of dystopian to imagine such a human thing being done by an emotionless robot.
The same crowd in 2021 was telling us about how "Marginalized Artists See NFTs As A Financial Solution". That turned out to be a lie didn't it.
Yep, because all of the bagholders who already existed were the ones pumping up crypto, and a huge majority of them were wealthy white guys.
My mid-video ad said, "You become a writer by writing. So do it and do it more." 💀
the definition of “every accusation is a confession”…
Okay, as someone who has participated and won this challenge more than one time before, I want to say that I am pissed off. The phrase "not everyone has the resources to help on their writing challenge" is bullshit because WHO ARE YOU HIRING IN ANY OF THIS PROCESS? TO DO WHAT? This whole challenge is meant to be in order to make a first draft, to just get words in a paper somewhere, NOT to have a fully edited, finished novel. All the editing and proof reading and what not is stuff that you worry at the end of the month. During this month you only put words, nothing else. That is why people prepare for this weeks or even months in advance to know what they want to get out of it.
The reason this pissed me off is that for years literally all I had was my keyboard, my computer and a connection to the internet. That is fucking it. And not to say that having any of those things isn't a privilege on itself... but if already doesn't have any of those things, how are they meant to participate on an online writing challenge in the first place? Or care about it at all? Even if you are writing by hand or in a typewriter to later use the library's computers to register how many words you have, in what part of any of this do you need to hire anyone? I am literally from a third world country. I literally do not have the resources to hire professional editors, graphic designers or literally anyone, so all my projects have been me and my hyperfixations of that months going ballistic. I never needed anything else to do my stuff.
Writing is literally the lowest entry level form of art you could ever conceive. Literally anyone can write. Maybe not everything is good, maybe by the end of the month you end up with an utter piece of shit, maybe you won't like any of it by the end, but you did it, you did something, and that will always be more impressive than letting fucking AI to do the work for you. Your human mind and your human hands will always be more complex than any AI can achieve. You do not need them.
They really just said “Poor people, disabled people, and minorities are incapable of writing without using AI”. Did an AI write their statement or something because I find it hard to believe that a human could’ve written that down and thought it was good
I wrote (and self-published because you can do that for free) my first two books with NaNo back in 2013 and I was thrilled with the support I got, the word count challenges and how friendly the writing community was back then. I'm shocked they've done this. I've believed they were a genuine company for years, helping writers. Now I'm just embarrassed I ever supported them at all. The sheer nerve of those people... I don't have words, and for a writer of over a hundred titles now, that's saying something. Gutted at the depths some people will go for an advertising dollar. Thank you D'Angelo.