On lady deathwhisper, the Tauren jumping on the PoV corpse was to show a druid where he died so he could be battle-resurrected. It's a small thing, but it was pretty clear nonverbal indication of information by junping in lieu of the teabagging that would be disrespectful in intent. Love your guide content though ty ❤
Lich King is iconic. There has never been a better story build up that has stood the test of time than Arthas and the Lich King. No matter how many years pass, he still gives you that 'Mufasa' moment. Absolutely incredible.
Nostalgia OVERLOAD! Seriously, Aliana did some great guides, and she was very pleasant to listen to. She also played a priest like me so it was SWEET! I remember watching these guides on repeat back in the day! My guild shot to the top of WoWprogress during ICC and we got the server first Heroic Lich King 25m kill!
1st boss : its way easier to stack inside boss hitbox, as fire only start from outside the hitbox . Every dps and healers should be hardstackig right under boss and only hunter need to be in far range.
warmane people have been doing that for years, as well as many other strategies that most classic guilds are not copying. i think every classic guild should take a look at how these bosses are done in warmane, as they adopted through the years the most optimal ways to do them
@@facubazzi yes but i found out/heard that even if you are right below boss fire still hits you so stacking would not work if thats the case... But i definitely feel you . On classic people try to invent new things or do it differently than what works. Instead of using the damn wheel they try to reinvent it.
Tankspot was the ideal raid guide way back when, but Ciderhelm himself had quit WoW at some point during Ulduar to play League of Legends. I liked his specific guides the best.
From what i remember of lootship you just don't bother sending anyone over until the mage freezes the cannons, then you send a tank and all the melee to nuke the mage down, clear up the portal mobs and then come back until the next mage spawns or the ship falls over.
Saurfang used to split ranged dps into 4 small groups each with a blood beast assigned, the melee would drop a pally stun on the blood beast that spawns behind him and nuke it down during the stun, the ranged would snare/kill their assigned blood beast. A hunter would drop frost trap so all 4 beasts were slowed off spawn. After beasts were down dk's would toss a chains of ice and taunt (not grip) a beast if it's still up and near ranged so they aren't getting hit. Other than that burn boss.
Back in the day Marrowgar would drop the coldflames behind the group if you were stacked tight enough in his hitbox. Everyone would stack inside his hitbox and the flames drop behind so nobody takes the dmg, and bonespikes get cleaved down. The desac just before bonestorm and spread, re-stack once he's done.
I hear you, I tried to cover the heroic mechanics at the end of each boss as best I could but watching two boss guides for each boss felt like these would get kind of long - will consider in the future though!
As far as the private servers I've played on go, lady deathwhisper on 25hc was the gatekeeper, followed by a lot of easy bosses. So long as people manage to not combo a spirit explosion into a frostbolt volley, oneshotting all the clothies, getting her down should be easy. Most bosses on 25hc aren't that much more difficult than their normal counterparts.
Really? Saurfang gave us more trouble back in the day than Deathwhisper did, she was maybe 8-10 pulls before we downed her, and thats without really knowing what we know now.. Saurfang though, til we were geared enough to actually do the fight, we were using DIs on his bleeds lol.
@@RyudoskyePS3 Well I suppose DBS is the gear check, just requiring you to have enough stats to break him down. But if you look at the current state of classic DPS compared to the tankspot videos, DBS should not be an issue whatsoever. Between the two of them, LDW is definitely the more mechanically taxing fight. Phase 2 requires a lot of people to be individually responsible, and the moment a DPS is told to look out for things on his own, said DPS tends to walk into the fire.
We use a bear off tank every week in our H ToGC 25s. Got a DK on boss, prot pally on one set of adds, and a bear on other. I see less warriors than any other tank class personally
Guardian Druids are a lot better in ICC given that druids scale very well with high armor and health, dodge and parry are mostly useless stats given the debuff. But as someone said, Druids are your best off-tank in Cataclysm due to their flexibility.
Back in the day on Lady Deathwhisper we all stacked behend her, we all snuck up behend her and pulled from that direction, heals and range hugging the back wall. was funny as fuck, then the adds were Killed as they ran thruough her to us. (tanks picking them up and dragging them to her., basicly all stacking on boss, melee was able to cleave boss and adds same time. She dropped like a potato. was super super easy. XD
Lady Deathwhisper looks like she's on a bit of a raised platform, I wonder if you can move the raid up to the top back or possibly use the two pillars as a LoS to gather the adds on the boss
Instead of a third tank or DPS, put the tank-healing pally with the tanks. they are tankier and you wont lose dmg to Avoidance (hitting boss from the front)
No one cared about parses or kill times, so surviving and killing the boss was seen as the most important thing. Every healer didn't have a legendary mace either.
Our guild was 6 heals on progression, 7 on heal intensive fights, and as content moved to farm, it was down to 5. In 10 mans we even solo healed some fights as content moved to farm.
@@jamesbyrd3740Yep I think that is the main difference between now and then. so many were causal back then whereas most of the playing classic are the more hardcore types
LDW threat shouldn't be an issue, just have DKs Icy Touch spam before they get the debuff unloading all their CDs and rune resets. You will have such a head start on threat it will be ages before you get eclipsed by the DPS, the boss should be dead by the time someone catches you who can't shatter/fade/salv/feign/vanish/invis
Why not just let the people that would like to have the buff have it? Warcraftlogs will most likely make it so that you need to do it on 0% buff for the top parses and that will force most of the community to turn buff off or never turn it on.
Deathwhisper is going to suck for Hunters - we do physical AND magical damage (same for Ret Paladins). So whatever add we're assigned to - we're going to suuuuck. Hopefully I'm just tunnelling the boss all fight.
"kinda like meteor slash" why use Brutallus as an example when you can just go to Mother Shahraz for literally the same move as marrowgar :P Same name, even
Just messing with ya. Thanks for the early intro. I was just starting to look around for something like this, really really good timing (grin) @@Joardee
An that is why I hate blizz communication, why tell joardee when the PTR is coming out but not the whole community only to randomly drop the it someday and have every guild except the privileged ones picked by blizz try to scramble things around to make PTR runs happen
@@Joardee Okay sorry it really sounded like you had concrete information and hearing how blizz talked in the Community council chat it sounds like they already know when the PTR will be up but they are just withholding it from the playerbase
Going to leave a pre-emptive comment since I'm 99% sure this is going to be a good video but its raid time and I don't have time to watch it yet. But if it sucks, I'm taking my like back. Though I know it won't be, Jordie is great.
Update (for those who care): we managed our second heroic Anub 25 kill in the jammiest way possible. Tanks and healers died at 5%, rest of the DPS began dropping like flies... but the two rogues were still up, popped evasion at 2% and both survived at ~5% hit points. So lucky, but alas no 50 tribute again thanks to a scuffed Beasts attempt (melee were slow spreading out on the worms, got nuked, we couldn't meet the enrage timer with half the dps dead and then one of the paladins got hit with Icehowl's charge when it looked like we might somehow make the enrage anyway, Better luck next week!
I hope they do away with the buff entirely. This is likely the expansion many classic players will end on, and we have better tools, guides, sources of information, and machines to execute ICC with. The playerbase, even the casual playerbase, does not need the buff - perhaps limiting the buff to normal mode only would be an acceptable middle ground. Hopefully Blizzard doesn't baby us.
24:47 he is in fact not trolling, hes a tank waiting for the next set of adds on his side. This showcases how horribly inefficient players were back then. By todays standard hes a qaulified troll.
I'm hoping that Blizz fixes the RMT in classic so we can have a hype ICC launch. I took Phase 3 off Wrath bc it was just not good, and the game seems to have devolved into a pretty rough state. I hate when people wax poetic about meta topics surrounding gaming but man this shit is hard to come back to after tokengate and the hacking.
RMT doesnt matter anymore, unless you are in a super sweat guild running loot council you will be running a gdkp. Its the better system especially for raid leaders and theres millions of gold ready to go from legit players that have just been running gdkps on multiple characters
it affects me because GDKP has eclipsed the actual spirit of the game. It's basically been turned into a job, fun removed. The last time the game was fun was Wrath launch, and Naxx launch. Ulduar ilvl boost threw off the pacing of the game and made P3 completely free. Also there's not really any open-world content when you've run the same dailies 3,000x it gets stale... and the reason Wrath was so sick back in the day is because PVP was so accesible. Now it's absolutely inundated with bots and cheaters. It's horse shit, and then you've got Aggrend buffing Ret Paladin so he can feel cool in his guild it's just cringe. Idk, I'm passionate about the game I love Wrath, and I play Ret. But it just needs help, and I don't think it's going to get it.
If you took Phase 3 off, good luck getting back into a guild unless you are a proven player who executes mechanics well, have a good attitude and aims to repay back the people who help you gear up for ICC, with excellent play and dedication. If you are stuck doing GDKPs all the time, it's because you're not in a guild. You might want to start hunting around now for one.
You have come to bring Arthas to justice ? To see the Lich King destroyed ! First, you must escape Frostmourne hold or be damn as i am, trap within this cursed blade for all eternity !!!!!!!
ICC HYPE! Popping my cherry today on the ptr. Good luck to all my fellow adventures and heroes! Horde forces! Best of luck to everyone. Random warrior tank 🩶🩵
Anything I missed from these first four people should be aware of?
There was a stack start on Lady Death whisperer, where everyone stacked in a LOS spot on the platform to zerg boss and pull ads into boss.
when i tanked him we would pull him all the way to the back wall. and swap on stacks two tanks
On lady deathwhisper, the Tauren jumping on the PoV corpse was to show a druid where he died so he could be battle-resurrected. It's a small thing, but it was pretty clear nonverbal indication of information by junping in lieu of the teabagging that would be disrespectful in intent. Love your guide content though ty ❤
many thousands of people have been doing ICC on warmane for the last 8 years
i believed out boomkin did kick all the beasts from Saurfang as soon as they spawned.
Lich King is iconic. There has never been a better story build up that has stood the test of time than Arthas and the Lich King. No matter how many years pass, he still gives you that 'Mufasa' moment. Absolutely incredible.
Nostalgia OVERLOAD! Seriously, Aliana did some great guides, and she was very pleasant to listen to. She also played a priest like me so it was SWEET! I remember watching these guides on repeat back in the day! My guild shot to the top of WoWprogress during ICC and we got the server first Heroic Lich King 25m kill!
1st boss : its way easier to stack inside boss hitbox, as fire only start from outside the hitbox . Every dps and healers should be hardstackig right under boss and only hunter need to be in far range.
warmane people have been doing that for years, as well as many other strategies that most classic guilds are not copying. i think every classic guild should take a look at how these bosses are done in warmane, as they adopted through the years the most optimal ways to do them
@@facubazzi yes but i found out/heard that even if you are right below boss fire still hits you so stacking would not work if thats the case... But i definitely feel you . On classic people try to invent new things or do it differently than what works. Instead of using the damn wheel they try to reinvent it.
TANKSPOT GUIDES! Man I remember those. I can't wait...
Tankspot was the ideal raid guide way back when, but Ciderhelm himself had quit WoW at some point during Ulduar to play League of Legends. I liked his specific guides the best.
15 years ago this was so hype u rewatch the trailer before u go to bed.
From what i remember of lootship you just don't bother sending anyone over until the mage freezes the cannons, then you send a tank and all the melee to nuke the mage down, clear up the portal mobs and then come back until the next mage spawns or the ship falls over.
Saurfang used to split ranged dps into 4 small groups each with a blood beast assigned, the melee would drop a pally stun on the blood beast that spawns behind him and nuke it down during the stun, the ranged would snare/kill their assigned blood beast. A hunter would drop frost trap so all 4 beasts were slowed off spawn. After beasts were down dk's would toss a chains of ice and taunt (not grip) a beast if it's still up and near ranged so they aren't getting hit. Other than that burn boss.
Lady Deathwhisper back in the day, pull adds to her, lust on first adds and cleave. Ranged turned and burned the back add, then jumped back on boss.
Back in the day Marrowgar would drop the coldflames behind the group if you were stacked tight enough in his hitbox. Everyone would stack inside his hitbox and the flames drop behind so nobody takes the dmg, and bonespikes get cleaved down. The desac just before bonestorm and spread, re-stack once he's done.
looks awesome! thanks for the content!
Before going into other bosses, covering heroic versions of these would be ideal imo but your call mate. Thank you for the good content.
I hear you, I tried to cover the heroic mechanics at the end of each boss as best I could but watching two boss guides for each boss felt like these would get kind of long - will consider in the future though!
@@Joardeeonly make heroic versions.
As far as the private servers I've played on go, lady deathwhisper on 25hc was the gatekeeper, followed by a lot of easy bosses. So long as people manage to not combo a spirit explosion into a frostbolt volley, oneshotting all the clothies, getting her down should be easy. Most bosses on 25hc aren't that much more difficult than their normal counterparts.
That seems to be similar to my memory of retail wotlk.
TLK, put=deathwhisper in terms of difficulty on HM 25 deathwhisper is muru on steroids
Really? Saurfang gave us more trouble back in the day than Deathwhisper did, she was maybe 8-10 pulls before we downed her, and thats without really knowing what we know now.. Saurfang though, til we were geared enough to actually do the fight, we were using DIs on his bleeds lol.
@@RyudoskyePS3 Well I suppose DBS is the gear check, just requiring you to have enough stats to break him down. But if you look at the current state of classic DPS compared to the tankspot videos, DBS should not be an issue whatsoever. Between the two of them, LDW is definitely the more mechanically taxing fight. Phase 2 requires a lot of people to be individually responsible, and the moment a DPS is told to look out for things on his own, said DPS tends to walk into the fire.
Furthest target, oh great, that means that I have to do all the mechanics as a hunter again lol
I wish bear tanks were more viable like they were towards the end of TBC. I haven’t seen a bear tank on my server since phase 1 Sadge
We use a bear off tank every week in our H ToGC 25s. Got a DK on boss, prot pally on one set of adds, and a bear on other. I see less warriors than any other tank class personally
Wait till Cata, bear reigns supreme
At least over on benediction, I see a lot of prot warriors.
Guardian Druids are a lot better in ICC given that druids scale very well with high armor and health, dodge and parry are mostly useless stats given the debuff.
But as someone said, Druids are your best off-tank in Cataclysm due to their flexibility.
@@Mayday9999Blood or Paladin main tank, Guardian off-tank for Cata.
Fun Fact: I was thinking your dog was a pillow until 42 minutes of the video HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
Most annoying ICC issue is going to be having to chose between doing the meta on some bosses and getting the better loot from HC :/
I wonder if you can spell reflect Lady's Frostbolt
Back in the day on Lady Deathwhisper we all stacked behend her, we all snuck up behend her and pulled from that direction, heals and range hugging the back wall. was funny as fuck, then the adds were Killed as they ran thruough her to us. (tanks picking them up and dragging them to her., basicly all stacking on boss, melee was able to cleave boss and adds same time. She dropped like a potato. was super super easy. XD
I remember a video from OG ICC where a shaman solo healed Saurfang
Marowgar is done in such a hard way lol. Everyone besides tanks stack in his hitbox and the only people that need to dodge fire are the tanks. GG
Lady Deathwhisper looks like she's on a bit of a raised platform, I wonder if you can move the raid up to the top back or possibly use the two pillars as a LoS to gather the adds on the boss
If its the same as back in the day.. Probably not, cause nothing in her room breaks LoS
Marrowgar got fixed in a later patch so you couldnt stack under the boss anymore, i would expect this to be the same in classic.
Instead of a third tank or DPS, put the tank-healing pally with the tanks. they are tankier and you wont lose dmg to Avoidance (hitting boss from the front)
I really hope someone makes an ICC raid assignment sheet much like the Ulduar sheet that was created
I will release the one that Rahged made, make sure to subscribe to see it
@@Joardee hell yeah! I've been watching your content since ulduar. You do a great job
Seemed like guilds always ran 6-7 healers in original tbc/wotlk. Maybe not the top end guilds but casual guilds always took so many healers
No one cared about parses or kill times, so surviving and killing the boss was seen as the most important thing. Every healer didn't have a legendary mace either.
Our guild was 6 heals on progression, 7 on heal intensive fights, and as content moved to farm, it was down to 5. In 10 mans we even solo healed some fights as content moved to farm.
@@jamesbyrd3740Yep I think that is the main difference between now and then. so many were causal back then whereas most of the playing classic are the more hardcore types
How do you even remember things from back then, i have vague memories only. And i played ALOT.
@@100based9most of the classic playerbase are 30 iq apes if anything 😂
LDW threat shouldn't be an issue, just have DKs Icy Touch spam before they get the debuff unloading all their CDs and rune resets. You will have such a head start on threat it will be ages before you get eclipsed by the DPS, the boss should be dead by the time someone catches you who can't shatter/fade/salv/feign/vanish/invis
I wish you could give us a lisence that watched your entire icc guide so we can join the raids as soon as the updates gone live 😄
im fairly certain we got to the point of 2 heal 1 tank on some bosses
Did I miss something? Why have melee on adds for LDW, instead of ranged. Much less time moving, and much more time dpsing.
Only magic breaks her shield
on saurfang living bomb is useless on adds as they dont have enough time to explode, also arcane is just so good for add damage
we used to two tank this back in the day
saurfang prot warrior is amazing for adds cause shockwave
Asmongold Marrowgar strat is to stack under his hitbox where the fire doesn't drop.
OY! there's never enough shamans!
Ulduar was THE raid, so good from top to bottom.
But can't forget ICC. BONESTORM, Loot ship, Putricide. I think Vamp wing is my fav.
Is it just me, or is the tank keyboard-turning?
It's original wow, everyone was clicking and keyboard turning and doing 12 dps
I hope they do not implement the stacking buff until very very late. Preferably not before cata pre patch or at the earliest ruby sanctum.
You can toggle it off if you dont want it so no reason to delay it at all.
Why not just let the people that would like to have the buff have it? Warcraftlogs will most likely make it so that you need to do it on 0% buff for the top parses and that will force most of the community to turn buff off or never turn it on.
Deathwhisper is going to suck for Hunters - we do physical AND magical damage (same for Ret Paladins). So whatever add we're assigned to - we're going to suuuuck. Hopefully I'm just tunnelling the boss all fight.
"kinda like meteor slash" why use Brutallus as an example when you can just go to Mother Shahraz for literally the same move as marrowgar :P Same name, even
Good lil edits to speed it up!
Yep stack in mele and cleave fire dont do jack easy gear
After watching a bunch of these ICC videos, it looks like DPS will just outdo most of the mechanics. We'll see half the kill times from 10 years ago.
I can't see the dps, what were numbers looking like
@@EnvironNApeople back in og icc barely pushed 8k dps on some fights, now people are well over 10k not even full togc 25 hc bis
I which I got 5g for each time Joardee says "really" ...... I'd be really, really rich!
REALLY?
Just messing with ya. Thanks for the early intro. I was just starting to look around for something like this, really really good timing (grin)
@@Joardee
ICC was definately the 2nd best raid ever, after karahzan.
"I'll someday be as rich as Asmongold, who knows" - you need to think of a good alternative to the space cock and go down that road 😃
lk 25 hc wont die first week
lets goo \o/
So old tactics, just stack marrowgar kill spike
!st look at a 15 odd yr old raid?
the raid will be a joke compared to what it was i promise you that.
"First Look" at 13 year old content
Yoo gimme duh lewt. :3 😹
An that is why I hate blizz communication, why tell joardee when the PTR is coming out but not the whole community only to randomly drop the it someday and have every guild except the privileged ones picked by blizz try to scramble things around to make PTR runs happen
They haven’t told me anything, if I alluded otherwise it wasn’t my intent - hoping it’s soon though I’m getting excited!
@@Joardee Okay sorry it really sounded like you had concrete information and hearing how blizz talked in the Community council chat it sounds like they already know when the PTR will be up but they are just withholding it from the playerbase
@@TheT0N1cofc they do 😂
I’m subed to this channel. Not showing up in my sub list…. Is the man shadow banning you or something? Lol
Going to leave a pre-emptive comment since I'm 99% sure this is going to be a good video but its raid time and I don't have time to watch it yet.
But if it sucks, I'm taking my like back. Though I know it won't be, Jordie is great.
Update (for those who care): we managed our second heroic Anub 25 kill in the jammiest way possible. Tanks and healers died at 5%, rest of the DPS began dropping like flies... but the two rogues were still up, popped evasion at 2% and both survived at ~5% hit points. So lucky, but alas no 50 tribute again thanks to a scuffed Beasts attempt (melee were slow spreading out on the worms, got nuked, we couldn't meet the enrage timer with half the dps dead and then one of the paladins got hit with Icehowl's charge when it looked like we might somehow make the enrage anyway, Better luck next week!
I hope they do away with the buff entirely. This is likely the expansion many classic players will end on, and we have better tools, guides, sources of information, and machines to execute ICC with. The playerbase, even the casual playerbase, does not need the buff - perhaps limiting the buff to normal mode only would be an acceptable middle ground. Hopefully Blizzard doesn't baby us.
24:47 he is in fact not trolling, hes a tank waiting for the next set of adds on his side. This showcases how horribly inefficient players were back then. By todays standard hes a qaulified troll.
I'm hoping that Blizz fixes the RMT in classic so we can have a hype ICC launch. I took Phase 3 off Wrath bc it was just not good, and the game seems to have devolved into a pretty rough state. I hate when people wax poetic about meta topics surrounding gaming but man this shit is hard to come back to after tokengate and the hacking.
RMT doesnt matter anymore, unless you are in a super sweat guild running loot council you will be running a gdkp. Its the better system especially for raid leaders and theres millions of gold ready to go from legit players that have just been running gdkps on multiple characters
How does RMT affect you?
it affects me because GDKP has eclipsed the actual spirit of the game. It's basically been turned into a job, fun removed. The last time the game was fun was Wrath launch, and Naxx launch. Ulduar ilvl boost threw off the pacing of the game and made P3 completely free. Also there's not really any open-world content when you've run the same dailies 3,000x it gets stale... and the reason Wrath was so sick back in the day is because PVP was so accesible. Now it's absolutely inundated with bots and cheaters. It's horse shit, and then you've got Aggrend buffing Ret Paladin so he can feel cool in his guild it's just cringe. Idk, I'm passionate about the game I love Wrath, and I play Ret. But it just needs help, and I don't think it's going to get it.
if you run in a guild none of that stuff affects you at all
If you took Phase 3 off, good luck getting back into a guild unless you are a proven player who executes mechanics well, have a good attitude and aims to repay back the people who help you gear up for ICC, with excellent play and dedication. If you are stuck doing GDKPs all the time, it's because you're not in a guild. You might want to start hunting around now for one.
'first look'? hardly.
im confused how is this a first look at old content? shouldnt it be first look? why do youtubers do this?
You have come to bring Arthas to justice ?
To see the Lich King destroyed !
First, you must escape Frostmourne hold or be damn as i am, trap within this cursed blade for all eternity !!!!!!!
ICC HYPE! Popping my cherry today on the ptr. Good luck to all my fellow adventures and heroes! Horde forces! Best of luck to everyone. Random warrior tank 🩶🩵