Beautifully said..I wish every discussion about afghanistan, al qaeda or "radical islam" started with this disclamer: We at some point the west made the decision that Islamic fundamentalism was better than the secular left and we are all paying for it"
Zizek maybe not the best philosopher to follow if you are looking for straight forward solutions, but is definitely one of the best ones to define problems in all their entirety. Therefore, I do not agree with Chomsky when he ridiculed Zizek and implied that he does not serve any purpose.
isn't it funny, sad and scary that we CAN NOT say event obvious things about jewish people in public without being called 'anti-semites'? what a good excuse they do have..
@JohnMoseley Thats right.. Zizek says it plainly..I wish every discussion about afghanistan, al qaeda or "radical islam" started with this disclamer: At some point we in the west made the decision that Islamic fundamentalism was better than the secular left and we are all paying for it dearly..with out that understanding we begin to think of fundamentalism as an inevitablity in the region which allows us to justify support of oppression and despotism(the second inevitablity of the region)
I really appreciate Žižek because of his nuanced takes, you don't have to demonize Israelis and call them the new Nazis to make legitimate criticism of Israel.
@yuryf I'm absolutely not trying to undermine you, and would have wanted this correction had I been the errorous one: the neuropsycological condition you are talking about is spelled Tourette('s syndrome).
@slickvguy part 2: One example is the PM of Iran and Israel. Ahmadinejad has had some very questionable remarks regarding the Holocaust (though some Jews/Christians exploit the Holocaust/past Jewish suffering, the historical event of the Holocaust is a fact and thus Ahmadinejad is a fool for questioning it). On the other hand, Netanyahu has compared Ahmadinejad to Hitler and Iran to Nazi Germany, which is just sad, especially since his ancestors suffered under the REAL Nazis.
Zizek is right that the world is paying a terrible price for playing Islamists against Marxism and its allies during the Cold War. However, he does not mention that the price of not doing so could have been greater. The Soviet Union (the largest country in the world, which also controlled half of Europe and much of the rest of the world) was a greater threat to peace and the West's security then than al-Qaeda is today. (Whether the calculus is the same for Hamas vs Fatah is another question).
Slajov Zizek fait beaucoup d'honneur à ce "philosophe" des média qui bernard-Henry Lévy en acceptant de discuter avec lui: cette honneur que lui a refusé plusieurs intellectuels comme pierre bourdieu.
@yuryf Yugoslavia was a socialist state, not an oppressive communist one like the Soviet Union. It wasn't a member of the Warsaw Pact and wasn't allied with Soviet Communism, and developed its own form of socialism which focused on social corporatism. All companies were run by workers and the economy wasn't centrally-planned; as such, Yugoslavia had one of the highest living standards in Europe, despite being "commie".
im not going to bother with this anymore....i know what you are.....the world has seen what israel has done and shouting to hide your guilt will no longer work.
lol "terror" is created by Israel. Calling brown people in resistance movements terrorists no longer works on the world minus those who are willfully ignorant or uninformed
@slickvguy I won't ask you on why you support Israel but I will say that you are not in the majority, in that most defenders of Israel oppose any and every criticism of Israel. The thing is that there are a lot of Israeli Jews especially that are very anti-Arab and call them names such as "savages" while on the other side there is a lot of real anti-semitism amongst some Arab nations. When these two clash, there is little room for intellectual engagement and discussion.
zizek is not a coke fiend, he is a survivor of eastern european communist oppresion. i'm from ukraine originally, now living in canada. i know a lot of people from east europe that developed serious ticks and stuttters as a way of dealing with some of the horrors they had to deal with growing up. give him a break.
@michaelchristopherj i would think to call him a neo-marxist since i have personally seen videos of him rejecting certain ideologies of marx... and he is very anti-communism, as he said himself "that was a social, economic, etc, catastrophe" and he is right
I wonder how Israel is ever going to withdrawl from the west bank? What is going to happen when/if they do ? there are increasing numbers of Israelis who are giving up on the 2 state solution because they will never conceded their security to Palestinians---at least not in the foreseeable future.
It's the opposite, they won't concede Palestine to the Palestinians. They want total colonialization just like the Europeans did to the Native Americans.
I have talked to Israeli's who vocalize that they hate Arabs, others some of the most left wing socialist social workers, artists say they associate Arabic language hearing it with bombs coming soon after. I have seen Arabs Palestinians who are so intently angry at outsiders in the Westbank and Israeli authority figures patrol border police who humuliate everyone who is not an Israeli/Religious Jew. I have also experienced wonderful progressive Israelis who alleviate my insecurities and reassure me about my position in society.
Tell me where defend a creation of a Palestinian State are callfor destruction of Israel and USA ( Not American,, becouse I'm american - Brasil - and I don't receive any airplane). Why did you Say Muslims? The religios intolerance are yours. What USA do and is critisize by the Palestins are not atribuied to a Cristian Civilization. I've never seen any Palestinian Word against Brasil, Portugal, Argentina, Chile, etc etc..
@PtAltmVansanTarr i fail to see how him being from Yugoslavia means he isn't a sufferer of turrets.. as if turrets only exists in ukraine... and as if torture and oppression are the only ingredients that can give a person turrets - that other factors especially including genetics doesnt play a role? ... as i clearly stated in my original post. i know turrets when i see it and this guy doesn't just nod his head or smack his lips - he is a full blown turrets sufferer with several different ticks.
@yuryf To continue on from my first post (I ran out of room), Žižek comes from Slovenia, which was the most well-off republic within Yugoslavia. Despite having 1/13th of Yugoslavia's total population, it managed to produce 1/5th of Yugoslavia's GDP due to the republic being the only one during the socialist reign to border a capitalist country (Austria), which allowed for more concentrated market development from Yugoslav companies, especially in technology and banking.
if you go to someone's house and take their family away, kill their brother, and occupy their land they'll surely be prepared to take revenge. You're perfectly free to call it terror or otherwise.
i dont understand why is everyone are applauding him? he did not contribute nothing but said that there are problems. and the claim about digging tunnels is may i say stupid considering so many cases where that what people did.
It is not anti-semitism to critzisize Israel. But it is very well anti-semitism not to apply exactly the same (!) standards of human rights to ALL other Arab, respectively muslim countries as to Israel. It is anti-semitism to single out Israel when critisizing human rights and not to care about the way f.i. Christians or other minority groups are treated in countries with muslim majorities. And this is what Zizek does.
We call it human rights abuse when Saddam or the Saudis do it. But not when America or Israel does it. It is not singling out Israel, it is just calling it what it is: apartheid.
@@poisonivy745 apartheid and the Israeli-Palestinian situation couldn’t be further apart. Saying blown out words like this simply piles on to one side’s agenda.
if we put political division aside, and just look at the individuals as individuals living in theyre respective society i think i would find more affiliation moraly and culturaly to israelis than palestinians, and this doesn't mean a little thing, or some trivial things as for example morning rituals or music taste, but the essential view on human life and how it should be conducted, i think the palestinians together with other arab countries are generaly moraly and culturaly backwards compared to other western or far eastern civilizations, and have a very agressive and tribal aproach to life and politics, individuality is quite toned down in theyere society, one maybe superficial yet effective example is the names they give to each other, muhhamad, muhammad, muhammad, and muhammad. Not to mention the intollerance religious racial or sexual, in theyere society viewd as normal, or the problem of inbreeding, and arranged marriage.
@@Ambersdf on some ex coworkers who were from Algeria Marocco and Libia. One of them told me women should not be left alone cause they are too dumb. They need to stay home ect. He was a nice guy and kind and I don't mind his conservative views but many kids from college who never met personally people like this and support them would genuinely hate them if they heard them speak. A good Muslim is a non religious Muslim just like a good Christian is a non religious Christian. Base your statements on "culture" not Race and if you can't differentiate the two then you are a racist.
Beautifully said..I wish every discussion about afghanistan, al qaeda or "radical islam" started with this disclamer: We at some point in the west made the decision that Islamic fundamentalism was better than the secular left and we are all paying for it"
Beautifully said..I wish every discussion about afghanistan, al qaeda or "radical islam" started with this disclamer: We at some point the west made the decision that Islamic fundamentalism was better than the secular left and we are all paying for it"
This clip is more relevant than ever.
The berlin olympics atack was a common enterprise between palest resist and an extreme left german group.
That is left out - why?
Zizek maybe not the best philosopher to follow if you are looking for straight forward solutions, but is definitely one of the best ones to define problems in all their entirety. Therefore, I do not agree with Chomsky when he ridiculed Zizek and implied that he does not serve any purpose.
Zizek is realy one of the best modern philosophers - no matter if you like his opinions or not.
The homeless guy? The lefty? 😂
@@brucegoodiei prefer a leftist than a extreme right nazi
why does this video look like it from the 70s though
It is shocking to me how many times Zizek was right in analysis of Israel-Palestine conflict even if it was merely a joke..
Zizeks elaboration of the palestinian situation in Living In The End Times is the beast i've read on the subject yet.
Please don't call Bernard-Henri Levy a philosopher. He is rather a disgrace and an embarassement both for my country and for philosophical thought.
'Not a crazy left winger.... Tony Blair' haha, made me laugh. Just about sums up Blair.
isn't it funny, sad and scary that we CAN NOT say event obvious things about jewish people in public without being called 'anti-semites'?
what a good excuse they do have..
I can. I am simply not an antisemit.
Now everything getting more and more complicated
The final point is devastatingly right and isn't made nearly enough. In fact, I've never heard anyone say it so succinctly before.
israelis are proud they made Palestine's life difficult but get offended when they get called out for it
@@__parsa__ like humans
@JohnMoseley
Thats right.. Zizek says it plainly..I wish every discussion about afghanistan, al qaeda or "radical islam" started with this disclamer: At some point we in the west made the decision that Islamic fundamentalism was better than the secular left and we are all paying for it dearly..with out that understanding we begin to think of fundamentalism as an inevitablity in the region which allows us to justify support of oppression and despotism(the second inevitablity of the region)
well I think Zizek said it best - as always
Finaly somebody told them what they long need to hear
I really appreciate Žižek because of his nuanced takes, you don't have to demonize Israelis and call them the new Nazis to make legitimate criticism of Israel.
and...they did dig terror tunnels, good one zizek.
@yuryf I'm absolutely not trying to undermine you, and would have wanted this correction had I been the errorous one: the neuropsycological condition you are talking about is spelled Tourette('s syndrome).
It seem Zizek talking to Bernard-Henri Lévy who supported Isis in Libya 🇱🇾
@slickvguy part 2:
One example is the PM of Iran and Israel. Ahmadinejad has had some very questionable remarks regarding the Holocaust (though some Jews/Christians exploit the Holocaust/past Jewish suffering, the historical event of the Holocaust is a fact and thus Ahmadinejad is a fool for questioning it).
On the other hand, Netanyahu has compared Ahmadinejad to Hitler and Iran to Nazi Germany, which is just sad, especially since his ancestors suffered under the REAL Nazis.
Nailed it
Why is Zizek a "post"-marxist sociologist? what the devil is postmarxism anyway?
Zizek is right that the world is paying a terrible price for playing Islamists against Marxism and its allies during the Cold War. However, he does not mention that the price of not doing so could have been greater. The Soviet Union (the largest country in the world, which also controlled half of Europe and much of the rest of the world) was a greater threat to peace and the West's security then than al-Qaeda is today. (Whether the calculus is the same for Hamas vs Fatah is another question).
2023 and how is the Palestinian situation now?
Hamas is no threat to america.
i dont think your serious...i have heard recently that there are people like you online.....
wth?shouldn't Levy have the right to answer Zizek's thoughts? it sould be in the video as well!
1:44
Zizek: ''I dont know what they (Israel) are afraid that they (Palestinians) will knock a tunnel for terrorism"
Really aged like milk.
this is so dumb
you know those tunnels are old also he is talking about west bank.
Israel built those tunnels their old puppet or prime minister already admitted it on cnn
Zizek is right, absolutely.
Ce ne vorrebbero.
Slajov Zizek fait beaucoup d'honneur à ce "philosophe" des média qui bernard-Henry Lévy en acceptant de discuter avec lui: cette honneur que lui a refusé plusieurs intellectuels comme pierre bourdieu.
@yuryf I'm sorry the Ukraine is so terrible, but Zizek isn't from your country
@yuryf Yugoslavia was a socialist state, not an oppressive communist one like the Soviet Union. It wasn't a member of the Warsaw Pact and wasn't allied with Soviet Communism, and developed its own form of socialism which focused on social corporatism. All companies were run by workers and the economy wasn't centrally-planned; as such, Yugoslavia had one of the highest living standards in Europe, despite being "commie".
@FreeScience yes you're right of course, thank you.
Why don't you show the answer of Bernard-Henri Lévy? are you afraid of hearing the truth?
im not going to bother with this anymore....i know what you are.....the world has seen what israel has done and shouting to hide your guilt will no longer work.
Slovoj ❤❤❤
They did eventually dig a terror tunnels
lol "terror" is created by Israel. Calling brown people in resistance movements terrorists no longer works on the world minus those who are willfully ignorant or uninformed
yes.
@slickvguy I won't ask you on why you support Israel but I will say that you are not in the majority, in that most defenders of Israel oppose any and every criticism of Israel.
The thing is that there are a lot of Israeli Jews especially that are very anti-Arab and call them names such as "savages" while on the other side there is a lot of real anti-semitism amongst some Arab nations. When these two clash, there is little room for intellectual engagement and discussion.
zizek is not a coke fiend, he is a survivor of eastern european communist oppresion. i'm from ukraine originally, now living in canada. i know a lot of people from east europe that developed serious ticks and stuttters as a way of dealing with some of the horrors they had to deal with growing up. give him a break.
@michaelchristopherj i would think to call him a neo-marxist since i have personally seen videos of him rejecting certain ideologies of marx... and he is very anti-communism, as he said himself "that was a social, economic, etc, catastrophe" and he is right
I wonder how Israel is ever going to withdrawl from the west bank? What is going to happen when/if they do ? there are increasing numbers of Israelis who are giving up on the 2 state solution because they will never conceded their security to Palestinians---at least not in the foreseeable future.
It's the opposite, they won't concede Palestine to the Palestinians. They want total colonialization just like the Europeans did to the Native Americans.
I have talked to Israeli's who vocalize that they hate Arabs, others some of the most left wing socialist social workers, artists say they associate Arabic language hearing it with bombs coming soon after. I have seen Arabs Palestinians who are so intently angry at outsiders in the Westbank and Israeli authority figures patrol border police who humuliate everyone who is not an Israeli/Religious Jew. I have also experienced wonderful progressive Israelis who alleviate my insecurities and reassure me about my position in society.
No, Capitalist.
Tell me where defend a creation of a Palestinian State are callfor destruction of Israel and USA ( Not American,, becouse I'm american - Brasil - and I don't receive any airplane).
Why did you Say Muslims? The religios intolerance are yours. What USA do and is critisize by the Palestins are not atribuied to a Cristian Civilization. I've never seen any Palestinian Word against Brasil, Portugal, Argentina, Chile, etc etc..
Zizek was involuntarilly profetical on 1:40 when he says about palestinians digging tunnels to attack israeli civilians
The first recorded discovery of a tunnel by Israel was in 1983, after Israel had withdrawn from the Sinai.
@PtAltmVansanTarr i fail to see how him being from Yugoslavia means he isn't a sufferer of turrets.. as if turrets only exists in ukraine... and as if torture and oppression are the only ingredients that can give a person turrets - that other factors especially including genetics doesnt play a role? ... as i clearly stated in my original post. i know turrets when i see it and this guy doesn't just nod his head or smack his lips - he is a full blown turrets sufferer with several different ticks.
Zezik should be the leader or Islam not the hypocrits of Saudi and Iran, EU or other so called Muslim countries
@yuryf To continue on from my first post (I ran out of room), Žižek comes from Slovenia, which was the most well-off republic within Yugoslavia. Despite having 1/13th of Yugoslavia's total population, it managed to produce 1/5th of Yugoslavia's GDP due to the republic being the only one during the socialist reign to border a capitalist country (Austria), which allowed for more concentrated market development from Yugoslav companies, especially in technology and banking.
for this west that was a great decision
i hope god has the same feelings for you....however i seriously doubt that....
as an israeli, spot on.
"...Dig a tunnel for terror..." he didn't know how correct he is now
if you go to someone's house and take their family away, kill their brother, and occupy their land they'll surely be prepared to take revenge. You're perfectly free to call it terror or otherwise.
Tripp Hornischer nice of you to support the jews in their struggle against arab invaders ... :)
Zizek was joking.
@m4rkgr1771 ce ne vorrebbero si!!
kaka fora:)
lol ohmigod wut even is this??
i dont understand why is everyone are applauding him?
he did not contribute nothing but said that there are problems.
and the claim about digging tunnels is may i say stupid considering so many cases where that what people did.
It is not anti-semitism to critzisize Israel.
But it is very well anti-semitism not to apply exactly the same (!) standards of human rights to ALL other Arab, respectively muslim countries as to Israel.
It is anti-semitism to single out Israel when critisizing human rights and not to care about the way f.i. Christians or other minority groups are treated in countries with muslim majorities.
And this is what Zizek does.
We call it human rights abuse when Saddam or the Saudis do it. But not when America or Israel does it. It is not singling out Israel, it is just calling it what it is: apartheid.
@@poisonivy745 apartheid and the Israeli-Palestinian situation couldn’t be further apart. Saying blown out words like this simply piles on to one side’s agenda.
@@-RMZB tf r u on about, do you even no what apartheid is?
how about this, I'll make it easier for u, if it isn't apartheid then what is it?
if we put political division aside, and just look at the individuals as individuals living in theyre respective society i think i would find more affiliation moraly and culturaly to israelis than palestinians, and this doesn't mean a little thing, or some trivial things as for example morning rituals or music taste, but the essential view on human life and how it should be conducted, i think the palestinians together with other arab countries are generaly moraly and culturaly backwards compared to other western or far eastern civilizations, and have a very agressive and tribal aproach to life and politics, individuality is quite toned down in theyere society, one maybe superficial yet effective example is the names they give to each other, muhhamad, muhammad, muhammad, and muhammad. Not to mention the intollerance religious racial or sexual, in theyere society viewd as normal, or the problem of inbreeding, and arranged marriage.
@Zip6 6 i admit my kind is backwards culturaly to many asspects of western culture, can you do the same???
Thats a huge generalisation and a pretty racist thing to say... What are you basing your knowledge of arabs on? 90s American action movies??
@@Ambersdf on some ex coworkers who were from Algeria Marocco and Libia. One of them told me women should not be left alone cause they are too dumb. They need to stay home ect. He was a nice guy and kind and I don't mind his conservative views but many kids from college who never met personally people like this and support them would genuinely hate them if they heard them speak. A good Muslim is a non religious Muslim just like a good Christian is a non religious Christian. Base your statements on "culture" not Race and if you can't differentiate the two then you are a racist.
Yes the west can learn some things from the middle Eastern culture, but the west is Already too lost.
what the fuck?
thats nice english!
but, nevertheless, Levy is right!
Zizek is crazy...
Zizek doesnt know the history... sorry.
Why is Zizek crazy?
Beautifully said..I wish every discussion about afghanistan, al qaeda or "radical islam" started with this disclamer: We at some point in the west made the decision that Islamic fundamentalism was better than the secular left and we are all paying for it"