Stayed up way to long watching this and crying at all the sad bits. Also raito's note and Welt saying Kevin was never a failure. God that made me bawl.
"The half moon looking thing" is just how black holes would actually "look", gravitational lensing warping all light around it making it seem like it's enveloped and surrounded by light when in fact it's not, it's just distorting and breaking the space-time around it. It's not just a honkai thing.
Oh I know & thank you! I meant more as in it's a scene they use HI3 not that it's just a honkai thing. Didn't word it correctly and that's on me. I appreciate the explanation tho ^_^
@@ArchAngelKnights We actually do! ...kinda sorta. We have two images of black holes, but they aren't like pictures of our moon or something like that. They are blurry images of far away stellar objects. What we can see though aligns very well with our predictions and simulations! If you are interested in knowing more, google Messier M87 Black Hole.
Considering that OST is "For Kevin" and we saw Myriad trailer, i take it as Origin was Acheron and End/Finality was Kevin, she eneded him herself. Add to this there may be no Kiana for her world, because.... in GGZ we had an alternative version of Kiana - Kevin. If we take HI3 version, this Kiana would be different probably... because you know, Dudu. Interesting theories can be made out of these and I don't think we'll get any confirmation as it's not that relevant to the Penacony plot. At the end of the day, knowing Hoyo we would've get at least a voice/silhouette of Kiana version in Myriad trailer if she were relevant to Acheron's past.
Regarding the "I'm Thirteen." part with Gallagher- It seems to be heavily speculated amongst the fandom right now, that Gallagher was referring to himself as 'Death'! The reason being- firstly the 'T' in Thirteen is capitalised so, of course, he didn't mean the literal age; meaning that it has to have a meaning. And secondly- 13 represents 'Death' in the Arcana and after finding out and knowing what you do after the whole quest, it makes a lot of sense! It's actually fascinating how they went about referencing that :D
@@billk516 i agree, i think people are reading too much into it when it's not that deep. gallagher is an entity who has collected the looks of all the different 52 family members, his age being 13 is quite possible and is not some weird ass reference to death and what not.
@@wolfafe I think both can be interpreted as true- I wouldn't call it 'reading too much into it'. It think it's just good fun trying to figure out and make sense of things. It might have been 13 years since Gallagher's ''creation''- so to speak- and again, after seeing the last cutscene of the quest, it could also be him referencing 'Death' because he is quite literally the one in control/linked to the Memory Zone Meme! :D I like how much it's open for interpretation, if anything, it makes discussions fun and engaging- I love everyone's reasoning!
@@spaceyk99 but we should also keep in mind who's the writer here. When people try to predict things about characters that are hinted at by Shaoji, they are generally never right. So Gallagher from a writer perspective may say 13 cuz it's an unlucky number, but in universe, it's most likely much more simple.
Really love your reaction to this, man that is so long hahaha I need to watch it on 3 parts 😆 but its worth it really love your reaction to the story and the lore talks specially in that "certain" part
I think Acheron already met her "Kiana" since when you are about to part ways from her for the first time in the dreamscape, she says that, if you are Stelle, that you remind her of an old friend. That likely refers to Kiana.
Also the first thing she says is " Not another one" meaning shes met multiple people that look like kiana OR the time loop theory is real and she vaguely remembers the 11 other times she met us lol
I think finality in Acheron's world was Kevin. If you remember Kevin was originally the finality. And Kiana became one later.. Meaning if Kiana wasnt there... Then Kevin would be Finality.
There is a theory that Acheron, is not Raiden Mei equivalent but actually Dr MEI expy The myriad celestial trailer focus more on divine keys (with the sequence and all the presentation) rather than CE hersccher. So, the lore theorist assumed Acheron's Izumo correlate with PE more than CE. From the video: They theorized, instead of the Project Stigma plan happen like Hi3 Current Era where Kevin sleep and humanity progress 50000 years in the future, PE in Izumo doesn't really progress at all and CE didn't exist there. What probably happen is Shiraga Oni (who they assumed as Kevin, Shiraga Oni means White Hair Oni, and voiced by Kevin JP and CN VA) became corrupted after wielding the 'End' Sword while progressing into their own version of 'Project Stigma'. And Acheron (which assumed Dr MEI) need to killed him in the process of saving Izumo. Instead of hoping for the future of Izumo (like PE hoping for CE), they ended there with the death of Shiraga Oni and everyone. It is later confirmed by Acheron in this quest that something similar to 'Spiritual Adam' happen in her planet. What really diverge from HI3 story is, Izumo is a planet that revolving around a 'Black sun' and by this video around the conversation between Welt and Acheron, it is confirmed that the black sun is indeed a black hole and also confirmed she killed her 'Kevin' counterpart (with a little sound of sorrow from Acheron voice). By that time, the war is over and everyone except her are dead. Acheron who at that time taught that the war between Kami and Oni already over realize something really big. She realize that even if everyone is alive, even if she can saved everyone, it is all become meaningless since her planet is destined to doom by the 'Black Sun'. So her struggle, their struggle are all meaningless. By this time, she embrace the true meaning of 'Naught' and become Emanator of Nihility. The Shiraga Oni probably her Kaslana counterpart as we know, every Era has their own Mei and Kaslana counterpart. Kevin with Dr MEI, Kiana with Raiden Mei. So, why Welt said sorry and sigh very deeply after Acheron said she ended 'that man life' alone probably because Welt felt the sadness and can imagine how Acheron's life is without her Kaslana counterpart. The sentence 'why she do even we walk towards the light' probably the term Shiraga Oni (Kevin) use to her as they both realize the 'Black sun' is indeed a 'Black hole'
i aint a hi3rd nerd so i dont know who this dr mei is but i think you might be onto something as i've read about 2 different names who were supposedly "expy" for raiden. One is acheron and the other one i dont remember exactly but i know there was one more. So if acheron is "expy" of this dr mei then the other mentioned possibly expy for raiden mei is gonna be the raiden mei expy then again they used the VAs for raiden mei so maybe you just being hi3rd nerd on copium unless this dr mei also had same va as raiden mei then idk.
A lot of people assume those ravens are from Black Swan... but the color scheme is also consistent with Jade... so that's what I'm theorizing it's gonna be. It might take 2 or 3 more patches for us to find out but that's what I'm sticking with, for now
A theory I have regarding acheron’s past, and I’m not sure if someone told you or you speculated it yourself, but “What if the Kevin that she killed WAS her Kiana (dearest person)??! What if Acheron is the equivalent of Dr.Mei not Raiden??!” that is a way more fucked up and dark reality, and given that Acheron is meant to be the (bad ending/dark path) of Mei then I’m willing to believe that theory.
Something to point out for extra feels. During the conversation after the boss, Kakavasha asks a metaphorical “Why do Birds Fly?” To Acheron. Why do people(birds) live (fly) if they’re just going to die. Acheron then rebukes the notion, saying neither of them believe that. I’m not the biggest HI3 nerd, but that conversation implies she’s been asked something similar.
Well tbh.. It was not that the way Kevin went about was wrong.. It was just that it was one of the only option. As Kiana and Mei and havnt unlocked Origin and Finality. And Bronya havnt unlocked Truth. In truth.. He could have easily killed all of the mc. But he didnt.. He waited untill the last chance hoping for them to be able to succeed. Truthfully.. He did infact load himself into the gun chamber.. While hoping that they will transcend everything. Meaning they will be shot and the world will be saved.. Or that they will trancend everything.. And save the world.
two people who can understand and tolerate each other can be concidered a friends in a way, especialy knowing that they have a hard time geting any real friends bc of their personalities, maners and etc. you can call them each others 1 real friend they have in the group, wich at the same time are pinning so hard for each other - we can go to agreedment that they are definelty not on "friend"level, bc they want to be more than friends lol, even acheron is calling ratio an aventurine friend. they have a very complicated relationship thats why people like them together so much 😂 no one will ever know on what kind of level relationship they are, you draw your own conclusion based of what you heard and seen in the game and thats it, but i still dont agree that they aren't friends, they are very close, closer than just co-workers who dont care about each other well being, they are just two idiots who still dont know or dont want to acknowledge the other like them equaly/mutualy. thats all, sorry for the long blabering, i just had to let go of all my thoughts after watching haha, have a nice day
Unfortunately no, I started playing HI3 before I started streaming and I did stream near the ending of part 1 but very early on so the vods are probably gone since it was around the time I started streaming 😭 I will say I have been tempted to go back and replay the chapters of part 1 for more details/lore that I may have missed. Not to mention it has been awhile and I would like a refresher again lolll
Bruh, why is it that every streamer always has to be spoiled on Firefly's reveal? Literally nothing that has been shown in the story even remotely hints that Firefly is Sam. Streamer's reactions being ruined because they already got spoiled by that is annoying man. I wish there was an actual blind reaction to it. It's like I'm the only one who was genuinely shocked that Firefly was Sam because I didn't see it coming from a MILE away. But hey, that's just me. Edit: Like I said, how I feel about it all is just me. What I dislike the most out of most streamers is that their chat SPOILS them. Or that they may have already been spoiled in their own community chats in Discord or Twitter. That’s what I mean. People just can’t shut up and let their streamer have an actual BLIND reaction to it all. It annoys me so much, the immaturity of some people. It’s like your friend spoiling you in a movie they already watched. Also. I’ve seen people memeing about how Firefly is Sam, but I always thought that it was a joke and a meme. Back when Penacony released in 2.0. I honestly didn’t expect it to be true.
unfortunately i remember before even penacony coming out that the leak about firefly being sam started to spread. don't be upset at the streamers but at the leakers, i dont understand why people think it's okay to leak story. i get leaking heroes so people can prepare n plan ahead but leaking story ruins the game for everyone.
I think you are overestimating how shocking this reveal is. I mean, let’s be honest here, the writing has been pretty sloppy so far with Penacony. They’ve been introducing characters for 10 minutes and then killing them off and expecting the player to have some kind of emotional reaction. I don’t think anybody really believed that firefly was dead. Furthermore, I don’t think anybody really cared about firefly. I didn’t have anything spoiled for me, and when I caught the reveal, I wasn’t really surprised, I was kind of just curious how many people predicted it.
@@SonicBoyster lil bro here spreading misinformation like a champ lmaoo. You literally just need to go to any comments section on a penacony video to see that nothing you just said matches a majority of players
In the previous story 2.0 if you have Stelle.. Acheron mention that Stelle looks like an old friend that passed away.. something like that... which feel like Kiana probably died at one point and Mei/Acheron had to continue alone.... and it looks like in the end her world died and she;s the only survivor because like in her Myriad trailer she embraced Nihility...
Stayed up way to long watching this and crying at all the sad bits. Also raito's note and Welt saying Kevin was never a failure. God that made me bawl.
YES! I love that they did this even if it did make me sob
"The half moon looking thing" is just how black holes would actually "look", gravitational lensing warping all light around it making it seem like it's enveloped and surrounded by light when in fact it's not, it's just distorting and breaking the space-time around it. It's not just a honkai thing.
true, i enjoy watching hi3rd nerds nerd out to eastereggs n crumbs but sometimes these hi3rd nerds are grasping at straws abit too much.
Oh I know & thank you! I meant more as in it's a scene they use HI3 not that it's just a honkai thing. Didn't word it correctly and that's on me. I appreciate the explanation tho ^_^
we have no idea how they look....its just a guess so saying "actually" is disingenuous.
@@ArchAngelKnights We actually do! ...kinda sorta.
We have two images of black holes, but they aren't like pictures of our moon or something like that. They are blurry images of far away stellar objects. What we can see though aligns very well with our predictions and simulations!
If you are interested in knowing more, google Messier M87 Black Hole.
@@ArchAngelKnightswe do actually have images of some of them as of a few years back and the description of this comment is spot on
Considering that OST is "For Kevin" and we saw Myriad trailer, i take it as Origin was Acheron and End/Finality was Kevin, she eneded him herself. Add to this there may be no Kiana for her world, because.... in GGZ we had an alternative version of Kiana - Kevin. If we take HI3 version, this Kiana would be different probably... because you know, Dudu. Interesting theories can be made out of these and I don't think we'll get any confirmation as it's not that relevant to the Penacony plot. At the end of the day, knowing Hoyo we would've get at least a voice/silhouette of Kiana version in Myriad trailer if she were relevant to Acheron's past.
HAHAHAHA You're reaction was GREAT! I love it so much! Nerdy Moments and your emotional connection with the characters is so great pls keep it up. 😂
HAHAH thank youu so much! sometimes I just derail and my mind starts going way too fast for me and I get too excited 😄
enjoyed your reaction at the "certain" part 😂
hahaha thank you!
4:17:14 the "certain part" in question
Regarding the "I'm Thirteen." part with Gallagher-
It seems to be heavily speculated amongst the fandom right now, that Gallagher was referring to himself as 'Death'! The reason being- firstly the 'T' in Thirteen is capitalised so, of course, he didn't mean the literal age; meaning that it has to have a meaning. And secondly- 13 represents 'Death' in the Arcana and after finding out and knowing what you do after the whole quest, it makes a lot of sense! It's actually fascinating how they went about referencing that :D
nah, he meant his literal age. The first murder in the dream world happen 13 years ago, makes you wonder
@@billk516 i agree, i think people are reading too much into it when it's not that deep. gallagher is an entity who has collected the looks of all the different 52 family members, his age being 13 is quite possible and is not some weird ass reference to death and what not.
@@wolfafe I think both can be interpreted as true- I wouldn't call it 'reading too much into it'. It think it's just good fun trying to figure out and make sense of things. It might have been 13 years since Gallagher's ''creation''- so to speak- and again, after seeing the last cutscene of the quest, it could also be him referencing 'Death' because he is quite literally the one in control/linked to the Memory Zone Meme! :D I like how much it's open for interpretation, if anything, it makes discussions fun and engaging- I love everyone's reasoning!
Idk if my mid story guess would hold out…. But thirteen what? Amber Eras? He never said what he measured it in.
@@spaceyk99 but we should also keep in mind who's the writer here. When people try to predict things about characters that are hinted at by Shaoji, they are generally never right. So Gallagher from a writer perspective may say 13 cuz it's an unlucky number, but in universe, it's most likely much more simple.
Really love your reaction to this, man that is so long hahaha I need to watch it on 3 parts 😆 but its worth it really love your reaction to the story and the lore talks specially in that "certain" part
Thank youuuu! I was expecting to cry sometime during the story but wasn’t ready for that “certain” part to wreck me 😂
The fact that you use tuna to refer to Kiana is a sure-fire way to tell that you are a veteran deep in the Honkai-verse haha
HAHAHA She will always be my tuna 😂💜
I was there, the 10 hours stream was a roller coaster ride of emotions.😍
I think Acheron already met her "Kiana" since when you are about to part ways from her for the first time in the dreamscape, she says that, if you are Stelle, that you remind her of an old friend. That likely refers to Kiana.
Also the first thing she says is " Not another one" meaning shes met multiple people that look like kiana OR the time loop theory is real and she vaguely remembers the 11 other times she met us lol
More likely she's talking about Frebass at this point now that I read through the lore post-2.1 story and re-read the Pioneer set's lore
Another crazy detail is that if you are Caellus, she instead tells you yhay you remember her to someone who croosed swords
I was waiting for this!
Kevin : "i put myself into a chamber,and you shall transcending everything"😢😢😢
1:53:30 Babochka = Butterfly in Russian. Just in case it's really foreshadowing something important
THANK YOU! ^_^
@4:17:12 for emotional vampire needs...
😭😭
I think finality in Acheron's world was Kevin.
If you remember Kevin was originally the finality.
And Kiana became one later..
Meaning if Kiana wasnt there...
Then Kevin would be Finality.
There is a theory that Acheron, is not Raiden Mei equivalent but actually Dr MEI expy
The myriad celestial trailer focus more on divine keys (with the sequence and all the presentation) rather than CE hersccher. So, the lore theorist assumed Acheron's Izumo correlate with PE more than CE.
From the video:
They theorized, instead of the Project Stigma plan happen like Hi3 Current Era where Kevin sleep and humanity progress 50000 years in the future, PE in Izumo doesn't really progress at all and CE didn't exist there. What probably happen is Shiraga Oni (who they assumed as Kevin, Shiraga Oni means White Hair Oni, and voiced by Kevin JP and CN VA) became corrupted after wielding the 'End' Sword while progressing into their own version of 'Project Stigma'. And Acheron (which assumed Dr MEI) need to killed him in the process of saving Izumo. Instead of hoping for the future of Izumo (like PE hoping for CE), they ended there with the death of Shiraga Oni and everyone.
It is later confirmed by Acheron in this quest that something similar to 'Spiritual Adam' happen in her planet.
What really diverge from HI3 story is, Izumo is a planet that revolving around a 'Black sun' and by this video around the conversation between Welt and Acheron, it is confirmed that the black sun is indeed a black hole and also confirmed she killed her 'Kevin' counterpart (with a little sound of sorrow from Acheron voice). By that time, the war is over and everyone except her are dead.
Acheron who at that time taught that the war between Kami and Oni already over realize something really big. She realize that even if everyone is alive, even if she can saved everyone, it is all become meaningless since her planet is destined to doom by the 'Black Sun'. So her struggle, their struggle are all meaningless. By this time, she embrace the true meaning of 'Naught' and become Emanator of Nihility.
The Shiraga Oni probably her Kaslana counterpart as we know, every Era has their own Mei and Kaslana counterpart. Kevin with Dr MEI, Kiana with Raiden Mei. So, why Welt said sorry and sigh very deeply after Acheron said she ended 'that man life' alone probably because Welt felt the sadness and can imagine how Acheron's life is without her Kaslana counterpart. The sentence 'why she do even we walk towards the light' probably the term Shiraga Oni (Kevin) use to her as they both realize the 'Black sun' is indeed a 'Black hole'
i aint a hi3rd nerd so i dont know who this dr mei is but i think you might be onto something as i've read about 2 different names who were supposedly "expy" for raiden. One is acheron and the other one i dont remember exactly but i know there was one more. So if acheron is "expy" of this dr mei then the other mentioned possibly expy for raiden mei is gonna be the raiden mei expy then again they used the VAs for raiden mei so maybe you just being hi3rd nerd on copium unless this dr mei also had same va as raiden mei then idk.
@@wolfafethey do, both CN and JP
This comment aged well after she finally name dropped herself lul though tbf we still dont know what her past truly is, just a name
Thanks for posting it on youtube!
damn almost 10hrs
wish ya the best o/
A lot of people assume those ravens are from Black Swan... but the color scheme is also consistent with Jade... so that's what I'm theorizing it's gonna be. It might take 2 or 3 more patches for us to find out but that's what I'm sticking with, for now
It’s sundays bird. You can see in black swans celestial trailer
@@TheIdiotChihuahua Oh is it? I'll have to rewatch that then since I didn't even notice 😅
@@statixfear same I didn’t even realize until someone pointed it out. It’s on his shoulder in the video I think
@@statixfear yep at 1:27 of the video
it has patterns similar of sundays dress. also sunday said he had eyes everywhere, i think his eyes are these birds.
Really enjoyed your reactions
A theory I have regarding acheron’s past, and I’m not sure if someone told you or you speculated it yourself, but “What if the Kevin that she killed WAS her Kiana (dearest person)??! What if Acheron is the equivalent of Dr.Mei not Raiden??!” that is a way more fucked up and dark reality, and given that Acheron is meant to be the (bad ending/dark path) of Mei then I’m willing to believe that theory.
I like this theory! This Mei alternative lost their Kaslana 🤔
Something to point out for extra feels.
During the conversation after the boss, Kakavasha asks a metaphorical “Why do Birds Fly?” To Acheron. Why do people(birds) live (fly) if they’re just going to die. Acheron then rebukes the notion, saying neither of them believe that. I’m not the biggest HI3 nerd, but that conversation implies she’s been asked something similar.
Well tbh.. It was not that the way Kevin went about was wrong.. It was just that it was one of the only option.
As Kiana and Mei and havnt unlocked Origin and Finality. And Bronya havnt unlocked Truth.
In truth.. He could have easily killed all of the mc.
But he didnt.. He waited untill the last chance hoping for them to be able to succeed.
Truthfully..
He did infact load himself into the gun chamber..
While hoping that they will transcend everything.
Meaning they will be shot and the world will be saved.. Or that they will trancend everything.. And save the world.
8:53:09 was my exact reaction when they "To be continued" us right at that point
I wonder if Frebass, who was mentioned in Part IV of Acheron's Character Story is akin to Kiana, but I'm a little doubtful of that.
two people who can understand and tolerate each other can be concidered a friends in a way, especialy knowing that they have a hard time geting any real friends bc of their personalities, maners and etc. you can call them each others 1 real friend they have in the group, wich at the same time are pinning so hard for each other - we can go to agreedment that they are definelty not on "friend"level, bc they want to be more than friends lol, even acheron is calling ratio an aventurine friend. they have a very complicated relationship thats why people like them together so much 😂 no one will ever know on what kind of level relationship they are, you draw your own conclusion based of what you heard and seen in the game and thats it, but i still dont agree that they aren't friends, they are very close, closer than just co-workers who dont care about each other well being, they are just two idiots who still dont know or dont want to acknowledge the other like them equaly/mutualy. thats all, sorry for the long blabering, i just had to let go of all my thoughts after watching haha, have a nice day
They nerf him so hard wtf. I I've shot ut on day one, but man, he was a tank.
I was told he was a lot more difficult at first too before the nerf. Kind of upset I didn't do it sooner to try it out LOL
@yesseniavo I truly don't get why they made him a wet noodle. Playing EPIC 7 story has me raging at times cause I got sick on a story boss.
@@FinalHarps The Zio incident xD
1:34:30 Whoa, are you a voice actor? That voice was great! o(*￣▽￣*)ブ
I am! Started the journey about a year ago and still at it slowly, thank you so much!
@@yesseniavo Ahhh that's great! Good luck on your journey then. Best wishes and success to ya.
hi3 didnt use for kevin ost in the main story right?
Is there an HI3 playthrough of yours I can watch somewhere?
Unfortunately no, I started playing HI3 before I started streaming and I did stream near the ending of part 1 but very early on so the vods are probably gone since it was around the time I started streaming 😭
I will say I have been tempted to go back and replay the chapters of part 1 for more details/lore that I may have missed. Not to mention it has been awhile and I would like a refresher again lolll
more hsr content please ❤🎉
Wow now that's long😮
Hehe, that's what that she said, sorry not sorry
Nice @@kyzvero3843
How do you feel about Aventurine's story nerd?
Gallaghers edilons are drinks ❤
Bruh, why is it that every streamer always has to be spoiled on Firefly's reveal? Literally nothing that has been shown in the story even remotely hints that Firefly is Sam. Streamer's reactions being ruined because they already got spoiled by that is annoying man. I wish there was an actual blind reaction to it. It's like I'm the only one who was genuinely shocked that Firefly was Sam because I didn't see it coming from a MILE away. But hey, that's just me.
Edit: Like I said, how I feel about it all is just me. What I dislike the most out of most streamers is that their chat SPOILS them. Or that they may have already been spoiled in their own community chats in Discord or Twitter. That’s what I mean. People just can’t shut up and let their streamer have an actual BLIND reaction to it all. It annoys me so much, the immaturity of some people. It’s like your friend spoiling you in a movie they already watched.
Also. I’ve seen people memeing about how Firefly is Sam, but I always thought that it was a joke and a meme. Back when Penacony released in 2.0. I honestly didn’t expect it to be true.
unfortunately i remember before even penacony coming out that the leak about firefly being sam started to spread. don't be upset at the streamers but at the leakers, i dont understand why people think it's okay to leak story. i get leaking heroes so people can prepare n plan ahead but leaking story ruins the game for everyone.
people were spoiling firefly's reveal like it was common knowledge. how can they be this dense
It's not always spoilers/leaks, it was just a widely believed theory given the hints.
I think you are overestimating how shocking this reveal is. I mean, let’s be honest here, the writing has been pretty sloppy so far with Penacony. They’ve been introducing characters for 10 minutes and then killing them off and expecting the player to have some kind of emotional reaction. I don’t think anybody really believed that firefly was dead. Furthermore, I don’t think anybody really cared about firefly. I didn’t have anything spoiled for me, and when I caught the reveal, I wasn’t really surprised, I was kind of just curious how many people predicted it.
@@SonicBoyster lil bro here spreading misinformation like a champ lmaoo. You literally just need to go to any comments section on a penacony video to see that nothing you just said matches a majority of players
Never trust the 4 stars :(
In the previous story 2.0 if you have Stelle.. Acheron mention that Stelle looks like an old friend that passed away.. something like that... which feel like Kiana probably died at one point and Mei/Acheron had to continue alone.... and it looks like in the end her world died and she;s the only survivor because like in her Myriad trailer she embraced Nihility...