Fujifilm GF 30mm TS review + Tilt Shift Tutorial

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  • @cameralabs
    @cameralabs  11 місяців тому +8

    Tilt Shift lenses provide unique optical control over perspective and exactly what's in focus, making them popular with exacting architectural, landscape and still-life photographers. In this tutorial I'll show you how to use them, as well as demonstrating the techniques with a Fujifilm GF 30mm TS lens for the ultimate quality. I'll also include more affordable options!
    Thanks to @benharveyphotography for his perspective as a professional architect including the image for this thumbnail!
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    00:00 - Tilt Shift lenses introduction
    01:31 - Why use Tilt Shift lenses?
    02:22 - Why Tilt Shift lenses are larger
    03:05 - Canon TS-E 24mm for full-frame
    03:24 - Fujifilm GF 30mm TS design
    04:18 - Fujifilm GF 30mm TS tripod collar
    04:35 - Fujifilm GF 30mm TS lens hood and filters
    05:01 - Tilt Shift imaging circles, optics and sensors explained
    06:24 - Fujifilm GF 30mm TS Shift capabilities
    08:56 - Using optical shift for panoramas
    09:35 - Fujifilm GF 30mm TS Tilt capabilities
    11:42 - Fujifilm GF 30mm TS bokeh quality
    12:17 - Fujifilm GF 30mm TS landscape quality
    14:21 - How a pro architect uses Tilt Shift lenses
    16:21 - Tilt Shift lenses and GF 30mm TS verdict
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  • @PaulAmyes
    @PaulAmyes 11 місяців тому +20

    I used to shoot for an architectural magazine and tilt shift lenses were the go to tools. I found that if you corrected it perfectly you often got the illusion that the closest edge of the building looked like the bows of a ship and would look unnatural so I'd back it off a smidge to lessen it. If you can't afford shift lenses then distance and longer focal lengths were your friend. I learnt to do table top product photography on a 5x4 view camera with tilt, shift and swing movements. That was a godsend to control the plane of focus which could be wafer thin on that format. Now I use Olympus m4/3 and they have a perspective control feature which is great. No special lenses to buy at great expense.

    • @cameralabs
      @cameralabs  11 місяців тому +8

      You're absolutely right about pulling back a bit from the max to avoid an unnatural look, that's a good tip I should have mentioned. And thanks for reminding me of the Olympus perspective control which I've demo'd in many reviews but had forgotten about! It does crop quite a bit though.

  • @dominey
    @dominey 11 місяців тому +6

    If I were an architectural photographer with clients, this would be a must buy. Great for any editorial situation, and those megapixels could easily make huge prints.

    • @cameralabs
      @cameralabs  11 місяців тому

      Definitely, if you make money from architectural photos, then they're a must.

  • @Trevellian
    @Trevellian 11 місяців тому +7

    What a great explanation and tutorial. Never understood exactly how tilt shift lenses actually worked. Now those mists have cleared. Thanks Gordon.

    • @cameralabs
      @cameralabs  11 місяців тому +1

      You're very welcome!

  • @Ed-davies
    @Ed-davies 11 місяців тому +4

    Having used various TS lenses over the years I have always enjoyed using them and the challenge of using tilt correctly. (in particular) I am mainly a landscape shooter and can say hands down that Fujifilm created an obscene and unapologetic lens here. The level of sharpness from edge to edge just blows me away. Only down side is the weight, though this has had a strange positive in that I take considerably less gear out with me and choose to just take this lens when I do thus creating a massive restriction has made me think much more about my shots. Yes as you say it can mostly be all done digitally but this lens is part of the process and enjoyment for me. It was a massive purchase and I was luckily able to raise funds from other gear.

    • @linhof5x7
      @linhof5x7 11 місяців тому

      where were you able to get a hold of one?
      i can’t find it anywhere in the US…

    • @Ed-davies
      @Ed-davies 11 місяців тому +1

      @@linhof5x7 in the UK , I placed a pre-order on the 15th of September and it arrived with me on the 27th of October. Glad I did now as they seem to be impossible to get!

    • @cameralabs
      @cameralabs  11 місяців тому +1

      Great to hear from an actual owner of this lens, i hope I did it justice here!

    • @karlklauda7739
      @karlklauda7739 11 місяців тому +1

      Hi, yes the Fujifilm 30mm TS is a marvel of engineering. I got hold of mine in Vienna. My vendor told me it was the last freely available one in Europe. I think the first production run is sold out.

    • @Ed-davies
      @Ed-davies 11 місяців тому

      @@cameralabs Hey Gordon, you certainly did it justice! :-)

  • @antzpantz
    @antzpantz 11 місяців тому +1

    Thank for making an up-to-date video about the latest Tilt-Shift Lenses with video demonstrations of how they work!

    • @cameralabs
      @cameralabs  11 місяців тому

      You're welcome, hope it was useful!

  • @ziggggy53ify
    @ziggggy53ify 11 місяців тому +2

    Ah, Gordon, an absolutely perfect introduction into the world of tilt and shift lenses. Bravissimo good sir, that's no mean task. 👏👏

  • @heiner71
    @heiner71 11 місяців тому +3

    Nice tutorial, Gordon! The Canon lens can be had used on ebay, between $400 and $1000. That won't break the bank for many folks who would want to experiment with this technology.

    • @cameralabs
      @cameralabs  11 місяців тому +1

      Definitely, and it's a nice option.

  • @PhutureproofUK
    @PhutureproofUK 11 днів тому

    Fab video. Thank you for taking the time to put it together.

  • @toburton15
    @toburton15 10 місяців тому

    Thank you very much. I'm currently using the Fujifilm X-system, expanding my business into businesses who require content and evaluating the GFX system with tilt/shift lens.

  • @NeilNathan1
    @NeilNathan1 10 місяців тому

    When moving from the Canon 5D MKII and lenses to Fujifilm cameras and lenses I kept my Canon 24mm tilt shift lens and now use it on the GFX 100s with the Viltrox EF-GFX adapter.

  • @mikelyon5595
    @mikelyon5595 11 місяців тому +1

    What a fantastic combination for creativity!

  • @benharveyphotography
    @benharveyphotography 11 місяців тому

    What an amazing combination, I wish I could get my hands on one! 😂 I can certainly see an increase in shifting ability when compared to my full frame setup and the optical performance of it is amazing, as you demonstrated. Happy to help out and see what I have been missing out on!

    • @cameralabs
      @cameralabs  11 місяців тому +1

      Thanks for your contributions Ben! It was great include how a pro architect would use them.

  • @nextsibling
    @nextsibling 11 місяців тому

    If you're following the budget option of using the transform controls in Lightroom (or other sware), it's helpful to remember to compose very generously, leaving plenty of spare space around the subject, to accommodate what you''ll have to crop after adjustments.

  • @a3hindawi
    @a3hindawi 7 місяців тому

    Thanks

  • @mlentsch
    @mlentsch 5 місяців тому

    Great video. Glad youtube finally suggested your channel. That Fuji setup is gorgeous. I'm gonna have to start charging more if I wanna get that....

    • @cameralabs
      @cameralabs  5 місяців тому +1

      Glad you found me!

  • @RecordProduction
    @RecordProduction 7 місяців тому

    Nikon’s 19mm lens is pretty great too but this looks fab! I use mine for music studio interiors and can see this being a future purchase 😊

  • @TheLordCyberex
    @TheLordCyberex 11 місяців тому

    Useful as always! You know, I bought my first DSLR Pentax K20D after reading your review on it... So, we are virtually "friends" about 14 years! :) Thank you! And greetings from Ukraine!

    • @cameralabs
      @cameralabs  11 місяців тому +1

      Thanks for your support for so long! I remember reviewing the K20D, I think sadly the last Pentax camera they sent me to test.

  • @borromine
    @borromine 11 місяців тому

    Having used an Arca Swiss 69 view camera for a long time, I am going to get both of these ts lenses. Heavy expensive but superb kit!! Thanks for excellent review.

    • @cameralabs
      @cameralabs  11 місяців тому

      You're very welcome!

  • @kapurar
    @kapurar 11 місяців тому

    Great tutorial on TS systems. Thank you as I have been looking for a tutorial like this.

    • @cameralabs
      @cameralabs  11 місяців тому

      You're very welcome!

  • @Abc1987
    @Abc1987 11 місяців тому

    Like most people watching, I am not in the market to buy the GFX or this lens. But this was very informative and until this video I never actually understood how the tilt shift lens worked. Thanks!

    • @cameralabs
      @cameralabs  11 місяців тому

      You're very welcome!

  • @vidthreenorth4007
    @vidthreenorth4007 11 місяців тому

    I have a Fotodiox Pro Shift Nikon G lens mount adapter for M4/3 mount body. So far, I only have a Nikon 28 f/3.5 lens to use on it, which does not really add much capability beyond the lens w/minor convergence correction. If I had a 24mm or 20mm lens, then it would be more significant. I should also note that the shift was not aligned properly on my adapter and the angle has stops (not infinite adjustment) so that if I want to shift up, it shifts slightly left instead of straight up. This is not a big problem, but the manufacturing was sloppy. If I had lived in the US I might have sent it back and tried a replacement, but it would have been problems over problems.

  • @tjkrueger2655
    @tjkrueger2655 11 місяців тому

    Dream kit right there, plus the 4/3 aspect ratio is a bonus

    • @cameralabs
      @cameralabs  11 місяців тому +1

      Yes, I like the shape of GFX

  • @NealeSmith76
    @NealeSmith76 8 місяців тому

    Been using the Canon TS-E lenses for nearly 20 years, the second gen models really upped the optical ante, but when I heard Fuji were on the case with GFX shift lenses I got really interested, wish there was a 'standard' 50mm equivalent on offer, that would really precipitate the jump, I use the 45mm shift on my Canon a lot, that and the 24mm cover most of my required work, but I do love the old 90 as well. I'm stuck between making a Fuji purchase, or ditching my TS-E45/TS-E90 for the second gen TS-E50 and 135. My only gripe with Canon has been a lack of decent pro-spec body options. I don't get on with the 5D bodies, and resent having to stick a vertical grip on to get more battery life. Almost every image I make utilises shift and stitch in either a horizontal or vertical axis, I've become so accustomed to making images this way, for personal work as well as commissioned. So close to considering Fuji, might have to get a used body and make the leap!

    • @cameralabs
      @cameralabs  8 місяців тому +1

      Let us know how you get on!

  • @rogernuffer
    @rogernuffer 11 місяців тому

    I use the canon 24mm adapted to a 50R. It works really well for shift. But I must admit that it only gets into the front of the camera once or twice a year

  • @gordonbunker3272
    @gordonbunker3272 11 місяців тому

    Impressive kit! Takes me back to my view camera days.

    • @cameralabs
      @cameralabs  11 місяців тому

      Hope you enjoyed it!

    • @gordonbunker3272
      @gordonbunker3272 11 місяців тому

      @@cameralabs Very much - the flexibility and results were tops for the day. That was a long time ago - I sure don't miss lugging all that gear around! :^)

  • @vigojansons
    @vigojansons 27 днів тому

    Can you use the GFX 1.4x teleconverter to make it into aprox 35mm equivalent?

  • @harrygilliland5675
    @harrygilliland5675 11 місяців тому

    I bought a Samyang 24mm tilt/shift lens great for panoramic images and landscapes they are very versatile lens they can be picked up for very reasonable price and are made in different mounts.

  • @pwolkowicki
    @pwolkowicki 9 місяців тому

    I had all lenses with shift option on my Pentax K-7 :P
    I only wonder why it was so painfull to use it. They should think of some easy to access menu for it, or did they in later models?

  • @RussellStewart
    @RussellStewart 11 місяців тому

    I'll be making the shift (not a pun) to this lens from the Canon 24mm TS/E II & adapter for my GFX100. The Canon is not designed for the large medium format sensor and only very small movements are acceptable on the edges or corners (depending how you shift). The Canon is very good unshifted and tilted for DOF control though. For Panos I generally shoot the GFX100 in Pano crop, as it is so nice to visualise the entire frame in camera, but having the collar on the lens and being able to stich with zero parallax is certainly attractive. Yes, I have a 102mp sensor, but I want more! Printing 75inch wide high gloss or 3-4m wide canvases is not uncommon for me and near on 50% more image would be awesome.

    • @cameralabs
      @cameralabs  11 місяців тому

      Nice to hear from someone adapting the Canon onto the GFX - I knew it could be done, but wondered about how practical it was. You'll love this lens, albeit maybe not the size and weight!

    • @RussellStewart
      @RussellStewart 11 місяців тому

      @@cameralabs when you’re already lugging around a couple of GFXs and half a dozen GF lenses, what’s a few more kilos? 🤣

    • @cameralabs
      @cameralabs  11 місяців тому

      @@RussellStewart exactly!

  • @adamzhang3028
    @adamzhang3028 8 місяців тому

    Have you had a chance to review the GF20-35mm? Would love to hear your thoughts.

  • @---us7qf
    @---us7qf Місяць тому

    Hi Gordon,
    Thank you for the tutorial.
    I am late, asking these questions, but I am just now about to do my proper research before buying.
    Questions: The GFX 100ii looks robust and well-built, but what about these 2 lenses, are they (GF30mmF5.6 T/S and the GF110mmF5.6 T/S Macro), well-built and do they feel strong and reliable? Do they inspire confidence like Zeiss lenses do?

    • @cameralabs
      @cameralabs  Місяць тому

      Hi, it's very subjective, but I'd say the lenses are as robust as the GFX bodies, so if you're happy with the build of other GFX products, you'll be happy with the TS lenses. PS - if you're thinking of buying them online, please consider going through my links here or at cameralabs.com thanks!

  • @Photo3838
    @Photo3838 11 місяців тому

    I wondered why the fujifilm TS is so much bigger than my Nikon 24 mm PC. It's the difference in sensor size that requires a much bigger image circle. Thanks for explaining that. I haven't used tilt or swing with one of these lenses. I have a 5X4 camera. Swing can make a huge difference. I was photographing a frank Lloyd wright house. It really becomes distorted when the image plane is not parallel to the house, especially at close range on a hillside. I'm thinking about the fuji. But can it do swing like a view camera? In theory it can. I just haven't seen it done like it's done with a view camera. 4000 dollars will buy you a very nice used view camera. But it uses film unless you moint a fuji on the back of a horseman view camera. But these lenses are what tge pros are using these days instead of view cameras. Times have changed.

  • @wendriftwood1952
    @wendriftwood1952 11 місяців тому

    Thank you. When can we expect a full GFX100II review?

    • @cameralabs
      @cameralabs  11 місяців тому

      I made a quick preview of it last September, but I'll have to judge demand before committing to making a full one. These take about two weeks to make, so need lots of views to justify it. Sadly the really specialist or niche stuff can't work out on YT unless it's being sponsored in some way as the views just can't pay for the time.

  • @PlanetFrosty
    @PlanetFrosty 7 місяців тому

    Great video! Yes, I’m planning on getting a Fuji GFX camera.

    • @cameralabs
      @cameralabs  7 місяців тому

      Thanks! Check out my gfx 100s ii video!

    • @PlanetFrosty
      @PlanetFrosty 7 місяців тому

      @@cameralabs I watched when it came out, but end up in the hospital afterwards. I planned to get the camera then. I expect to do that within the next week or so with 3 or 4 lenses. I wish we had more flash accommodation though. I’m also getting a Freefly for product and high speed for lab.

  • @BayAreaDrone
    @BayAreaDrone 11 місяців тому

    Thank you for the great video that goes into details! I do use tilt-shift lenses for architecture, but I've been considering how I can apply them to food photography. I'm considering investing into tighter focal lengths than the ones like 24mm. Greetings from Bay Area!

    • @cameralabs
      @cameralabs  11 місяців тому

      Yep, for food, definitely go for a longer focal length TS lens.

  • @Rick--A-F
    @Rick--A-F 10 місяців тому

    Really good tutorial and review, thanks.

  • @nelsonclub7722
    @nelsonclub7722 11 місяців тому

    T+S for portraits are the bomb

  • @314LA
    @314LA 8 місяців тому

    Hi. Will this lens work correctly through an adapter on a H2D?

    • @cameralabs
      @cameralabs  8 місяців тому

      I have no idea, sorry. If the adapter allows GFX lenses, then yes it should mount and focus, but may become fully manual. Not sure how it'd handle the aperture.

  • @ReidCuming-f4f
    @ReidCuming-f4f 11 місяців тому

    How do you think the Canon TS-E 24mm f/3.5 II L TS would perform on a Hasselblad X2D?

    • @cameralabs
      @cameralabs  11 місяців тому

      I know some people who adapt the Canon TSE onto Fujifilm GFX, so the coverage should be fine BUT you may only get very small TS adjustments before you see the imaging circle and vignetting.

  • @danwhiteside248
    @danwhiteside248 8 місяців тому

    Great video. Have you tried any other tilt shift lenses?

    • @cameralabs
      @cameralabs  8 місяців тому +1

      Thanks, yes, I've used Canons

    • @danwhiteside248
      @danwhiteside248 8 місяців тому

      @@cameralabs do you think the canon tse 90/135 mm would work well adapted onto Sony a7rv? I tried the gf 110 t/s with a gfx 100s and it worked great for product photography, but that’s an expensive investment. Second hand tse can be less than half the price.

    • @cameralabs
      @cameralabs  8 місяців тому

      @@danwhiteside248 Yes, since tilt shift is mostly a manual process, adapted EF lenses can work great

  • @davidharris4062
    @davidharris4062 9 місяців тому

    Nikon do a 24mm & 85 mm tilt shift lens as well as a19mm tilt shift

  • @GinoFoto
    @GinoFoto 11 місяців тому

    Lens should be also motorized, remote controlled, which would be unique feature, useful especially for high end video production, we will see, but is rumored that RF most likely bring such feature out.

    • @cameralabs
      @cameralabs  11 місяців тому

      I have high hopes for what Canon might do with a future RF Tilt Shift lens...

  • @HariS.-gp2te
    @HariS.-gp2te 5 місяців тому

    Wonderful video. Thank you.

  • @robertmoranelli
    @robertmoranelli 3 місяці тому

    It appears to me that the placement of the tripod collar was poorly thought through. Using tilt means either accepting your verticals are out of alignment because you tilted the body instead of the lens, or it forces you to adjust your tripod head angle to perform the lens tilt, as well as the body tilt to bring your lines back into alignment. Not sure why noone is taking about this. Seems like a real pain to perform tilt. I would probably toss the tripod collar.

  • @opendrivers
    @opendrivers 9 місяців тому

    Thanx!

  • @mvp_kryptonite
    @mvp_kryptonite 11 місяців тому

    What an impressive combo and that TS lens is awesome. Be great if it was motorised. Thanks for the video

    • @cameralabs
      @cameralabs  11 місяців тому +1

      Thanks! Do you mean the tilt and shift controls being motorised? I quite like the big manual knobs!

  • @Salman-Mansoor
    @Salman-Mansoor 11 місяців тому

    Can I make a thumbnails for your channel

    • @cameralabs
      @cameralabs  11 місяців тому

      Thanks for the offer, but most of my reviews are of gear under non-disclosure, so the thumbnails have to be made when they're still secret.

  • @RichardFraser-y9t
    @RichardFraser-y9t 11 місяців тому +2

    Hi Gordon, its defiantly a niche product

    • @cameralabs
      @cameralabs  11 місяців тому

      Without a doubt, but I wanted to make a video about what you can use Tilt Shift for, and this new lens provided a good excuse! Plus I show some cheaper and even free alternatives towards the end!

  • @jeromeyeats480
    @jeromeyeats480 8 місяців тому

    If you tilt a lens up too far in architectural photography where the lines of the buildings at the top bow outwards in a "prow of a ship" effect the results look totally wrong. Some converging verticals look wrong when they are over corrected because the results look totally unnatural. I have been using view cameras from decades ago, and Canon tilt shift lenses too. So I just closed down o this video after the first few seconds.Sorry. Regards Jerome Yeats

    • @cameralabs
      @cameralabs  8 місяців тому +1

      Good for you Jerome. You'll have missed the part where I say not to overcook it for the most natural results.

  • @oneeyedphotographer
    @oneeyedphotographer 11 місяців тому

    I might have told you befor, I owned a full set of current Canon TS-E lenses. And then Canon superseded two of them with its TS-E 50, 90 and 135 TS-E Macro lenses.
    I then replaced my 5Ds with a Lumix S1R, for its high resolution mode and generally better features. I never chase cameras with "better dynamic range, or "better load noise," but I understand the S1R performs well there. I use the Sigma adaptor, but I would welcome an adaptor that allows me yo use filters. I don't use them a lot, but I appreciate the potential.
    I would also like a tilt EF-MFT adaptor. 17mm would not be wide, but adding, say, 13mm to each end of my 17.3mm sensor would be something.
    Maybe I should use tilt, but I never have.
    BTW Keith Cooper has used his Canon TS lenses on a GFX camera. When he was evaluating mirrorless options for an upgrade from his 5DSr, he ruled out Sony because of its E mount.

    • @cameralabs
      @cameralabs  11 місяців тому +1

      Yep, another benefit of a larger imaging circle is being able to use it on larger formats - so a Canon TSE should be good enough for GFX - and as you say, full-frame lenses have plenty of potential for shifting on FT format. I should look into tilt shift adapters for EF to MFT sometime.

    • @oneeyedphotographer
      @oneeyedphotographer 11 місяців тому

      @@cameralabs Shift adaptors generally. EF to Fujifilm X would be useful, even EF to RF-S.

    • @cameralabs
      @cameralabs  11 місяців тому

      @@oneeyedphotographer yes, those would be good

  • @tom_nuyts
    @tom_nuyts 8 місяців тому

    thank yo for the presentation (which could be massively abbreviated by leaving out the general informations about shift technique;-) - which should be quite common for the most of your viewers...)
    way too expensive and to slow, as I also use my adapted Canon TS-E 17 and 24 mm freehand, as well as the Laowa 15 and 20 mm... and here the next point: why 30 = 24 mm? why not minimal ca. 25 mm = 20 mm FF-equ., which easily can be cropped with 100 MP.. and why did they forget the collar for the 110 mm?? PS. in Germany the lens is available at many local stores of big retailers ..

    • @cameralabs
      @cameralabs  8 місяців тому

      That's why I split it into two, called it a review + tutorial, and included chapter marks for those who wanted to skip past the explanation.

  • @AdamJRichardson
    @AdamJRichardson 11 місяців тому

    Great video! That lens (and the whole kit) is a baller. Will have to save my pennies...

  • @tomislavmiletic_
    @tomislavmiletic_ 7 місяців тому

    As it is, I cannot justify the price tag. However, if I could make money out of it, I'd pick it up tomorrow.

  • @skiiizo
    @skiiizo 11 місяців тому

    Thank you very much for the video

  • @ahmeterol9026
    @ahmeterol9026 11 місяців тому

    👌👌👌👌👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

  • @amaitra
    @amaitra 11 місяців тому

    Nice video

    • @cameralabs
      @cameralabs  11 місяців тому +1

      Thanks!

    • @amaitra
      @amaitra 11 місяців тому

      @@cameralabs your videos are always very informative!

  • @StevenKeery
    @StevenKeery 11 місяців тому

    Interesting but expensive. Architectural photographers might be prepared to carry the extra weight as they will only be travelling short distances to their subject from their car.
    I can't see landscape photographers wanting to carry such heavy equipment for long distances, whilst they are out and about.
    As they will usually be further back from their subject, converging verticals may not be such a problem, in most instances.
    The 100mp cameras will create large files, necessitating large amounts of memory to store those files.
    Unless the photos will be viewed at billboard size, I can't see the advantage for most photographers.
    To my mind, most photographs will be viewed at smaller image sizes in a book, or calendar, or perhaps a picture on a wall.
    Personally, I don't mind converging verticals so much that I would be willing to spend that much on such a heavy lens.
    I suppose it will help to keep chiropractors in business though, so they may thank you.
    It was interesting to see though, so thanks for uploading.

    • @RecklessRowly
      @RecklessRowly 11 місяців тому +2

      I'm a landscape photographer who does carry TS lenses long distances (usually over hills in the Scottish Highlands). These lenses add a versatility that standard lenses do not have. And for landscape photography I find the tilt most useful.

    • @StevenKeery
      @StevenKeery 11 місяців тому

      @@RecklessRowly : I note you say you carry TS lenses in plural.
      Perhaps you could explain the context and subject, in which you personally, might use them.

    • @RecklessRowly
      @RecklessRowly 11 місяців тому

      @@StevenKeeryI'm happy to give an extensive reply but I'll probably need a seperate way to contact you as my previous post was deleted.