I just wanted to let everyone know, when we say free electricity, we are specifically talking about energy that comes from the free sun. This is the same thing as collecting free rain if you have a rain collection system at home. The infrastructure isn't free, but the water is. Many people are confused about this. The earth is also a giant battery that you can tap into, it also got it's free energy in the form of heat from the sun. See the video here that shows we are not using compressed air in our boiler. ua-cam.com/video/W1K2CMRyDrw/v-deo.html
@@genome616 see that's the interesting part of what's claimed to be happening in the tesla turbine. The exhaust is colder than ambient air. That's how it can keep running indefinitely once the system is perfected. I'm looking forward to seeing if they prove this soon.
I'm a small time gold miner. I have a water system setup in the East Kootenays in BC Canada deep in the back country. I have 1 mile of 1" geothermal tubing with 900' of head already installed and proven. I've looked at other turbine designs like pelton wheels. Do you think a tesla turbine would be a good option for a microhydro setup like mine? Just want to tap into all the water I have running by my camp to charge up the trailer batteries and keep the hot water tank warm. All 12v stuff.
A DC motor spinning a magnet(s) in a reciever coil (ferro ceramic "choke" core) manifests generates AC (possible also via capacitor discharge into (on) and phase conjugation out of (off) vis resistance in a dead battery electrolyte chemistry (switch the circuit to the dead battery and the magnet will be repulsed out of the coil while charging the dead battery.) Thus, this creates a motor/generator system. An invertor oscillator or an oscillating instrument (horn, drum, bell, string, speaker, tuning fork etc.) Either switching on and off a capacitor discharge through a coil (magneto creation) is an amplification multiplier of the AC signal. Thus, achieving oscillation on off or AC amplification multiplication becomes the source for keeping the system (re)charged and self sustaining manifestation generation.
It is fantastic to see people finally putting Nicola Tesla's theory and design to practical use...and while i don't fully understand the exact barometric science behind the function of the unit,,i can see that with further refinement this type of system could eventually provide a perpetual energy source,that once in operation would only ever need to be shut down for routine maintenance...I applaud you,Please keep up your amazing work..
@@iEnergySupply why not solar heated water? My evacuated heat tube water heater will boil by midday on a summers day. So much so, I have to cover most of the tubes and 3 of them supply more than enough. Doesn't need tracking as the tubes work from sun up to sun down practically speaking. Although drilling a series of deep bores gets down to the warmer levels easily, I agree. This is the same as people use to heat and cool houses with two sets of bores that they reverse pump with the seasons and extract warmth or coolth. (Yes, it's a word.)
@@arielhermoso4262 My water heater is an off the shelf 24 tube unit, not a cooler. .Probably made in China but using Australian made tubes. Tank, frame etc., are Chinese. Tubes are bigger than most and have a special triple coating invented by Uni of NSW. I purchased it from "Run On Sun" solar, Queensland. If however, you're referring to the ground heat system, I don't have that but there are plenty of You Tube videos on the specifics.
All of this makes me really happy to see! Nikola was born and raised, not far from where I was. Countrymen. People working on Nikola’s heritage today :)) He said, more than hundred years ago, that his time is yet to come. We might be living that time right now! Lots of love and health to everyone!
As a mechanical engineer, I really appreciate your work man. This is why I studied engineering, the process of making things and validating the hypothesis makes me excited. Great Job guys, I hope to see these in the market after few years.
thanks, we believe within a year we will defiantly have it into production. Maybe sooner though, once we finish testing with our analytical equipment we will be satisficed for production.
@@iEnergySupply yes, I can see this one as a good component in the powerplant industry. Specifically, if you use diesel engines for peaking loads, It can increase the thermal efficiency of the diesel engine by a considerable percentage. ---- I think your number 1 consumers would be those manufacturing industries that produce a lot of heat. For example, those who are into the steel manufacturing industry. Those are located in semi-remote areas, and you can negate the possible noise complaints coming from the tesla turbine. That's if you can scale this up and produce at least 3kw of continuous load. That would be enough to run their lights and small loads while manufacturing. ---- Suppose the residents from a compound would get this one. They'd be facing daily noise complaints😂. I doubt you can sleep with this one turned on for at least 50 meters from home.
Bravo Jeremiah! I wish to thank you and also tell you that you have our support and you are not alone. I would be happy to offer you any help and/or assistance!
Absolutely. It's a cryophorous system where all the air is evacuated. On the left (the hot side), the pressure is higher because the water vapor above the water is at a higher pressure than on the right (the cold side). The higher temperature on the left creates a higher pressure, and since pressure flows from high to low, it boils on the left and condenses on the right. This movement of gas through the system spins the turbine.
New sub and thank you for what you do ! I've admired Nikola Tesla for many years and have done my own research on alternative energies. This has been suppressed for over a century and it simply cannot be held back anymore. We the people.
thank you mate, I watched your previous videos a long time ago and weren't satisfied with the explanations. now that you have someone who was able to ask the questions that may occure in someone outside of your brain, now everything makes far more sense!
@@rickstandal626 I'd like to see a 10 stage closed loop system all turning the same rotor. Possibly cycling a ferromagnetic fluid through a conductive tubing. Would you think recycling a ferrofluid through a conductive conduit would induce a current? And I only have an Associates in Industrial Electronics. In an attempt to think outside the box I got stuck in a triangle... lol Although all who have attempted to source power through effective energy devices have ended up assassinated. Not that I like life that much. Too bad they don't turn on the New Yorker hotel where Nikola spent his last years in. It was modeled after the Wardencliff tower. Or as the ancient Egyptians and other cultures utilized their pyramids to acquire and transform the ether into usable energy.... maybe I thought too long and hard about the process....
I'm sorry I didn't watch the whole thing and by no means an expert on Tesla. That being said what I saw there was not a game changer and if so why after a hundred years has no one jumped on it. I've seen so many new advancement or so called in my life time that unless its backed up with more than a video I just take a pass on but who knows. You enjoyed it so it was worth while. For you.
I thought of this last week and scoured UA-cam and here it is. This is exactly the idea that I imagined with some variances. Absolutely brilliant. It solves the world’s problems with carbon emissions totally.
I met James giving this demo at the Tesla Tech Extraordinary Technology conference here recently in Albuquerque.. I was so grateful to meet him and his iteration of this ultra practical DIY energy solution was fantastic. I knew about this subject for many years, but firsthand experience is unspeakably valuable. How about running off forest litter and a rocket stove. It's tops on my list know thanks to his demo.
I agree with many of your sediments concerning the Tesla turbine. There are many practical places for its use. Working on a turbine now. Your informative videos are priceless. Thanks.
The reason that it is suppressed is that the current power distributors don't want to loose their income and their power over the people. Be very carefull with getting too much attention. It will find its true purpose on the consumer level, not as a product, but as a build kit. I wish you all the best, all the succes and all the safety and I would love to get this in my house!
a few questions. How many watts are you able to extract from it? what is its efficiency? what is its nominal rotation speed? because from what I remember, the original tesla turbine was able to achieve very high efficiencies at RPMs so high, the materials at the time could not hold themselves together and it would fly apart. it seems like these disc diameters are relatively small so probably not very efficient compared to traditional turbines. to maximize efficiency you need to optimize the disc spacing to only allow the boundary layer flow between the plates and have large discs at high rpm, such that you get the optimal amount of boundary layer interaction on the plates while not exceeding the mechanical limits of the plates so they don't fly apart. carbon fiber plates seem like a good choice of material, lightweight, and have good tensile strength, all give them a low moment of inertia and allow higher RPMs. those spiral patterns you see should spiral around the discs more till they reach the center to have as many interactions at possible, to squeeze the most energy out of the flow as possible, and this happens more at higher RPMs, or rather also happens at higher flow rates. Lesics has a really good video about the subject
It's interesting, tesla actually had turbines in operation in his day, that exceeded the performance of all other turbines, but this information isn't wide spread. He had a turbine operating on stem for the Edison company as well. It's actually a myth that tesla didn't have materials that could withstand the speeds required for high efficiency. Our fastest turbine so far was 150000 rpm with a 3 inch rotor, the periphery speed was 1400 miles per hour, but we can achieve 2000 miles per hour before the carbon fiber starts complaining. All the details will be coming out soon. We have an entire analytical system on the way that will measure every part of the system.
@@iEnergySupply Fantastic speed in RPM (rotation per minute)!... According to magazine, in 80's decade, the American scientist was able to test the "ceramic bearing" in a laboratory environment- in excess of 20,000 rpm- without breaking to pieces... Said bearing also withstood corrosion attack for 1. year span- being soak in a bath of sulfuric acid.. Maybe such kind of bearing will greatly help in the successful design/ prototyping of Tesla turbine...
Hello, I just discovered your channel and am now a new subscriber.. We've been struggling with PG&E over here in California. Frequent and prolonged power outages with 3000-4000/month electric bills. I am getting desperate for alternative and affordable solutions and really appreciate the work you're doing here. Please keep up the amazing work. I hope to learn more.
@@iEnergySupply Sir Jeremiah: Pls try also the "Compressed Air Engine" technology- record said such CAE concept was already invented since the 1920's decade- that a Swiss railway company even used the said techn'y on powering their train.. Internet said, India was already mass producing a box type car, CAE powered, with a claimed travel range of 300. kms before re. charging its depleted air tank... Almost 90% of todays engine were being operated by "pressure" - so resurrecting an almost 100 years technology, was a step in the right direction... The GOAL: Drastic reduction in carbon emmision from pressure production- via fossil fuel burning...
great work guys. i'm in the high speed rotating equipment industry and was wondering why you couldn't extend the shaft ends with perhaps an insulated coating and add another magnet to double the output generated. (or more) or at the very least, make the opposite end of the shaft a generator? there seems to be a lot of rpm you could harvest if it's possible. just throwing that out there. there are coatings that would maintain the shaft size and insulate the magnet from other components so it's feasable....
I would have a magnet on both sides if the generator was the limiting factor. At these temperatures the turbine is the limiting factor. Our new turbine on our patreon page has a single generator as well, but with a 1.5" magnet and still isn't the limiting factor although it could become the limiting factor with the higher temperatures Ill be testing with. If needed ill add another generator magnet.
I am walking down your hallway of decorations looking curiously but more fascinatedly to the left and right in awwl and in confusion of dumbfoundedness. Like whoa my old Friends place is badass. I'm shaking my head like yep, and I'm smiling a mile high for you... Hope this is not too forward.
Metaphor for watching you and your videos and your subscribers jump up. That's like walking down your decorated hallway admiring everything and then get like a feeling of how'd you reach such heights and thinking this is badass the whole thing you got going on. And I'm smiling for you shaking my head like omg this happened for you I'm so happy for you. Song and dance something like that
emezing you that you have a tiny portable system to show it on location , it's a true hurricane in a box , I wonder how your vacuum pump is doing whit the moisture das it not rust ore enything , now I go back to work on mi variation of this system almost there, cheers
Thanks oscar! The bearings are stainless steel. It should last a long time. I'm really excited to see your progress as well, imagine the oscillator with cold steam!!
Thank you and your team for all your work,you are making the world a better place. Can't wait to buy a power system from you when available. Have a wonderful day.
Also, I wonder how the system would preform if a liquid with a phase change level closer to ambient temperature was used. Such as Methylene Chloride. Because it’s critical temperature in a vacuum is closer to ambient temperature, very small temperature differentials will cause it to boil or condense. The condenser chamber could be cooled by evaporating water on its surface or blowing air over it, instead of an ice bucket. The hot chamber could be powered by ambient heat, or better yet, heat from the sun if you pointed it black. Like the drinking bird toy, which is a heat engine the same as this.
Or you could even burry the condensing chamber a dozen or so feet underground where it’s almost always colder. Geo-atmospheric power. The surface layer of dirt insulates the earth below, It seems to me like the earth really does have natural energy that can be tapped into. Could also use a cold body of water.
Last thing. I know I’m leaving a lot of comments. When you build the system to recycle the condensed liquid back into the boiling chamber, there should be a transitionary chamber or coiled tube heat sink that brings the liquid back up to room temperature first. If you just pump the cold liquid back to the boiler it would probably stall. Bringing it up to temp first extracts the energy from the environment more efficiently.
yeah, the ice actually isn't needed, we tested it without ice, and as long as the temperature differential is great enough for the phase change of water to occur the turbine runs great. Depending on the temperature of the exhaust of the turbine which we will soon see, warming it with ambient air or even the earth would be perfect. You got the idea! Thanks for the great comments.
If you want lasting Earth or water temperature power, you'd want to bury or submerge a big coil and run water through it, like heat pumps for home heating use. Then you get access to a huge thermal mass.
I assume you need the vacuum box because the bearings can’t be air tight. I wonder if a smaller plexiglass casing could be made with a slot for the magnet. Basically shrink wrapping the box around the turbine, leaving the coils outside, not as much volume for vapour to build up.
I don't know, this seems to work the best so far without any issues. At this point, there is no point in changing the design until we find a problem with it.l
@@iEnergySupply The neodymium magnets aren't that much resistant as steel or Titanium. But you could definitely sticking stripes of Iron Nitride on the outside of the last 2 disks... They won't be washed away from water pressure because they wouldn't be touched by steam at all. Iron Nitride it's 2 time stronger than pure neodymium.. so it won't need much to creating a strong enough electromagnetic field to be catch from 2 additional coils per side. Also in this way you virtually changing nothing to the design, you just add something useful to increase energetic output. All without decreasing the Torque ! ! !
@@iEnergySupply Just curious if rearranging the way the magnet is used would increase current output. Having the copper coils stuck in between disks of magnets should increase current.
What the Heck! That is a amazing system. Im searching myself for a resolution of a little bit more autarkism. Maybe this one bring us one step closer. Keep up the really good work, appreciate 😁👍.
But what happens when you put a LOAD on the connected generator? If you've ever tried to turn a generator by hand when there's a load connected, it becomes extremely difficult to turn.
@@iEnergySupply Please define "too big" in terms other than.... that which slows down the turbine. If 200 amps is too big it is incapable of powering an average citizen's home, right? In reference to turbine generators one thinks of power companies which supply power to the grid and hundreds of thousands, even millions of citizen's homes. I'm just trying to understand the practicality of such a device. I'm all for free energy.
@@Madthrax23 It is my understanding the experiment is to prove that the Tesla turbine is a viable device to connect to a generator as opposed to standard turbines. I'm just trying to see if they're pushing BS or if they're really onto something.
@@webadage at full speed we operate at 600v, so we don't need many amps, Also all you need is a larger turbine to get more power. The turbine will be sized for it's application;
Thoughts/Prayers/Meditations you guys reach your goal! This research is so very important to the common whole of humanity! It would be AMAZING to have a way for folks who own wood burning stoves to make power while also heating their homes. With an off grid battery setup, I cant see how this concept wont at least provide charge for the bank. The truly hard part of this R&D, is packaging the system in such a way it can be easily installed by the common man.
Absolutely, originally I intended to use it just with the wood stove, then found out thermal solar panels and water energy storage are also an amazing benefit.
@@AllboroLCD o no, I just used rain water as an analogy to imply that technically water can be free, just like the energy from the sun. We can consider it free energy.
@@PhysicsViolator Remember, the turbine and the temperature are key factors. You actually need significantly more heat than what I demonstrated in this video to run the system efficiently. Additionally, the turbine must be properly tuned to function as intended and maximize performance. I want to stress the importance of safety if you're thinking about building something similar, like converting a gas bottle into a steam boiler. Water under pressure can build up to dangerous levels, potentially causing an explosion if not handled properly. Here are a few key precautions: Make sure your tank is made of metal that can handle high pressure, and know the pressure limitations at different temperatures. Always use a pressure relief valve to prevent excessive pressure buildup and avoid steam jet injuries. Periodically test the pressure capacity of the tank, as corrosion or rust can weaken it over time. It’s a good idea to fill the tank with water and test it at a pressure higher than your relief valve setting to ensure safety.
Also,,,there is also a gearing ratio advantage between the diameter of magnet and diameter of turbine. Couldn't you use much larger size turbine disks and add same size multiple magnet generators on same shift. This would add a torque advantage in two ways, a diameter difference and spinning mass(weight). In turn you could slow down the turbin speed. Slower speeds are better. Under 10k rpm is great
Expounding,,, linear generator is a group of generators, each with 1"x1" n52 diametrically magnetized and has its own set of coils per magnet all spaced out on a single shift or ganged together end to end as to turn together by a single motive force. This configuration beats 6 magnets spaced out on a 10" rotor wheel. Larger rotor equals more input shaft torque to pass magnet by coil during electrical production,, Lenz force backpressure. Thats a 10 to 1 reduction, 10" rotor to a 1" rotor.
The more i think about the tesla turbine the more i think it could find a home in large scale power generation. The efficiency of a standard steam turbine at any steam based power plant is about 45% efficient if it's a really good one. Compared to 90+% efficiency in a tesla turbine... That would be a major step in solving the energy problem. You could either, Generate more power using the same amount of fuel or generate the same power using substantially less fuel. Either way that's a win. You could go even further and install tesla water turbines at hydroelectric dams and generate a lot more power from those facilities too. Maybe more efficient turbines is what Hoover dam needs to allow Lake Meade to start filling up again...
quote from nikola tesla. Obviously this problem is facilitated by compounding, as will be understood by those skilled in the art. Irrespective of its bearing on economy, this tendency which is, to a degree, common to motors of the above description, is of special advantage in the operation of large units, as it affords a safeguard against running away and destruction. Besides these, such a prime mover possesses many other advantages, both constructive and operative. It is simple, light and compact, subject to but little wear, cheap and exceptionally easy to manufacture as small clearances and accurate milling work are not essential to good performance. In operation it is reliable, there being no valves, sliding contacts or troublesome vanes. It is almost free of windage, largely independent of nozzle efficiency and suitable for high as well as for low fluid velocities and speeds of revolution.
Not true currently turbines are over 90% efficient, just not thermally which is around 45% at best. So no gain in hydroelectric generation at all. Was tesla claiming 90+% thermal efficiency though?
the vacuum keeps itself as long as the cold side stays cold. Vapor pressure is equal to temperature. So as long as the condenser is colder then the boiler the water will always flow to the condenser. If the condenser was warmer then the boiler the gas would flow backwards to the boiler.
@@iEnergySupply ah ok. That mostly makes sense. Vapor in a vacuum is a little difficult to wrap my head around. How do you plan to keep the condenser cold long term without maintenance?
Not sure if this could be geared with a fly wheel, perhaps a greater starting torque with a battery driven larger motor, then sustained with your turbine. Either way, we are off grid with NiFe / Solar currently and a backup gas generator. Getting ready for the "great reset" and monetary collapse. I hope you have a commercially available unit soon. Would like to add it to our community. My question is what is your energy input in BTU's verse wattage out? I saw you are using a vacuum pump? They draw a lot of current. Is this loop-able?
Mate Tesla make 2 patents about turbine and there are named Tesla turbune for this... Also much bigger the plate less rpm for make electricity and after trist they make a type like 3 of different size all in same box
Perhaps a Chinese Diesel heater would be fun and maybe useful to experiment with as a heat source for your hot side. It produces output temps that would likely suit your operating requirements, and it's extremely fuel efficient.
also consider impeller, where the blades are like in a water wheel, same outside-in-center-out manner, but difference is that the reverse forces rotation too, three functions, tesla disc turbine has two functions, not obvious the third, the inverse push-in-pressure, just the rim-in generator, and the center-out pump
the channels forcing the 'hurricane' movement lines, arced blades, just like the water wheel, but rim-in center-out, not directly pass-through (rim-in rim-out), but similar to tesla turbine working principles
when the blades are arced, no discs, then the incoming rim-in pressure/volume is forced to push the blades, until they slow down and exit from the center-out
6:52 cool the shaft? (Tube) *make the axel a tube and run the cold exhaust in verted through the core by redirecting it with a cap? May reduce the cooling side length. also makes me want to consider "Stirling Engines".
@@iEnergySupply one of the things ive always wondered is why electric cars dont have a alternator/generator on the back side of either the motors or the axle shafts to help better regen on top of the regen from momentum the vehicle gives going down hill
@@Duey_diditGarage that's a lot of complexity and copper cost for very little to no benefit. just like why people don't put heat exchangers on their drains.... the cost will never recoup the energy harvested
This is awesome 🤗 Would be interesting to see it work fully reliant on its own power at lower temperature differentials (levels that the environment can naturally provide, especially on the cold side of the equation) and sustain its own vacuum.
Been following you since the beginning! This is incredible - I can feel that you're seriously close! One question for you, sir: What bearings are you using inside the vacuum box? Are they air bearings? If they are, how do you get air bearings to work inside a vacuum chamber? Or are they something else entirely? I guess that was a few questions! Hope to hear from you :) Thank you!
This is the first Tesla Turbine dedicated channel I've ever seen. Got to subscribe of course. 60k rpms? I'd throw a gearbox on that to get more torque and maintain plenty of rpm for a generator. Don't forget the importance of a flywheel either. You could also use a Fresnel lens on the hot side and an air cooled radiator on the cold side for the heat differential. which then you may possibly get a little free energy maybe?
Gear boxes seem to not work at such high rpm, although we are building larger turbines, but the generator seems to be working great for now. For the moment it seems just a large tank on the boiler and the condenser work really well, this was just for demonstration purposes.
Magnetic couplings may be more suitible for this application, not only is there no need to make a hole in your low pressure system for an output shaft but you can actually create gear ratios by messing with the poles
Something else to note is that this process is continuous unlike a piston engine which very much reduces the need for a flywheel (unless you have a very transient load, but for electricity generation that is not so)
Try closing the loop with a Peltier (Thermoelectric effect) cooler, you can get a self sustaining reaction getting the exact temperature you want for each side.
And how much power does your Peltier junction consume? There is much research left to do on the Tesla turbine, but an increase of efficiency is the only measure of success. In addition to propane fuel for heating, electricity for the vacuum "compressor" etc would need to included in the calculations.
A peltier generates much more heat than it pumps, but if you use the hot side for boiling, you recoup some. But the point of this exercise, if you want it to be of practical use, must be to convert low quality heat gradients into electricity, not the other way around, so a peltier would be self-defeating in such a machine.
Did I just watched a guy blowing a load on Tesla turbine which just works as it should but he added a lot of free bs to it while powering it both with steam on inlet and vaccum on outlet claming it's some sort of breakthrough? Nice... so nice that it made me write a comment.
Will it working at such low temperatures you could use thermal collectors on the roof of a building to drive to the generator turbine not even using refrigerants just water and a vacuum
I've been looking for something that can be made to produce a good amount of energy for cheap without spending more money for the initial starting fuel than the amount of energy I can get back. If I use propane or wood to heat the vessel that turns the tesla turbine, it is not as free as I would like to be worth doing this project but if we could somehow use the sun and a fresnel lens or something that could magnify the heat from the sun, then it's cheaper, non polluting but the sun isn't always out so if a sand battery or a solar panel configuration that could save up the energy for the times when the sun isn't out so the turbine can still be used, it's something that I'm trying to figure out so it can be reliable and ready to produce electricity during any weather conditions uninterrupted. I'm very new to the whole alternative energy experiments and I think it's fascinating.
I would like to avoid using such high pressures. I may want to use something like ammonia or another coolant. I need a system that will be cheap and safe for everyone.
What I would love to see is something like this connected to a transformer stepping the voltage down and then connect it to a midnite classic to charge batteries
Switchmode power supply transformers handle tens to hundreds of kHz. Then again, maybe you'll be better served by rectifying the generator output to DC and feeding it to a DC-DC converter. Then you know that everything is running at an optimized frequency. You could also make a better generator using a high speed BLDC motor in reverse (minus the electronics). Something from the RC flight world may have the RPM tolerance needed.
absolutely we can run on the waist heat! We still need to see if ambient is possible to get power from, in the winter time ambient heat from the earth will work.
Thank you so much for the incredible work that you guys have done. I have solved the remaining issues that you still have in this system to truly take this to it's full potential. I will be filing for the world provisional patent this week when Monday comes. This will be something that I will use to make this world a better place. I will contact you guys after I send in the legal documentation to get the provisional. I hope that I can work with some brilliant minds like yourselves soon. It's not needed, but I'm sure you'll be interested in what I have to share. Otherwise you'll hear about it soon enough in the news. I'm finishing what you guys have started, especially Nikola Tesla. He would be proud for sure with all that has been done to further the best invention he deemed as his favorite of all time. He's right, it will change the world and I'm gonna prove it along with what you guys have done so far. Amazing work gentlemen!
@@iEnergySupply I'll shoot you an email and discuss what u can with you and why I MUST file a world provisional before sharing video. I will put together a system myself this week with video evidence & a legal lawyer witness with legal documentation proving everything.
@@npham54 - you need to keep it open source, if you want it to benefit the average person, and not be bought up, or left unlicensed, to be put on a shelf in favor of existing profitable products.
the heat will leave the boiler far before the water is gone, the water expands so much it doesn't take much to make a lot of power. eventually the condenser will fill up and you will need to pump the water back to the boiler
@Charles McKinley spot on, my thoughts exactly, funny how there’s nothing being said about the power required to maintain the vacuum or any usable differential pressure
@Charles McKinley instead of The vaccum pump the system could be flooded with 100+degree steam from a small solar heater with a very small water reservoir. The system valves are then closed/sealed. The 100+ degree steam would then condense in the pipes and in the condenser and pull the low pressure. If the system is sealed properly the low pressure would stay forever, as long as there is a proper temperature difference between the warm and the cold side, and the Tesla turbine properly extracts the heat, and of course enough water. In copper heat pipes when they are manufactured the vacuum is pulled in a similar way. To my understanding this is only needed once for startup, like a 12battery with sparkplugs on a petrol engine. The best practicall efficiency that i have seen for pumping electricity from low temperature heat flows are at about 10%. If this setup achieves anything above 40% that would be allready absolutely astounding, and would mean that your car will practically have twice the range from the same amount of petrol. Because there up to 70% goes wasted mostly into heat and could be with this setup converted back to drive energy. With 40% also no photovoltaic with the same surface area could compete.
I've come to this a bit late so I'm not fully understanding your claims. I see you are heating the vessel on the left with gas (?) and cooling the one on the right with ice. Both these must be using external power to heat/cool. How much power do these use in kW/h and how does it compare to the output from the generator? If you used solar power for the heating and cooling, would it not be more efficient to use the solar to generate power directly and forget the turbine stuff?
yes, that is also may observation.. in net there is power losses (a lot may be) since they are not showing the watts needed tor run the vacuum pump, it may be more efficient if they will use gas cylinder for the tires.
@@iEnergySupply Oh for Pete's sake man. You need a scale, a calculator and Google. Heck, do it ahead of time and you can even make an excel sheet to do the math for you. Here's how you answer that question: Step 1: Weigh your propane canister. Step 2: Use propane to heat your thermal battery then weigh it again. Step 3: Compare the weight difference to propane's MJ/KG and you'll have a reasonable guess how much energy went into your hot source. Step 4: Make more ice than you need, weigh it. Step 5: Measure cold sink to confirm it's room temperature then add ice until the desired temperature is reached. Step 6: Weigh remaining ice to determine how much frozen water you actually used. Step 7: Calculate the joules required to cool that much water from room temperature to the temperature of your freezer. Step 8: Add up the joules spent on the hot and cold sides. Step 8: Run your system using your existing inverter to measure how many KWh you got out of it. Step 9: Divide total energy in by energy you successfully extracted as per the inverter readings converting between watts and joules at your discretion. You may argue that the results would be less than ideal because of this or that (maybe your burner is wasteful etc) but who cares? If you put in 20 kWh worth of energy and get 1 KWh out than improving your burner efficiency by 50% isn't going to turn an overall 5% system efficiency into 25%. At least then you have an objective test to figure out how far you are from solving the actual valid criticism of the Tesla turbine (it's mechanical efficiency is too poor to be commercially viable / the speeds damage the discs) vs dumb-ass UA-cam criticism like "It doesn't make any torque."
Do you think that the video that I sent you the other day. Geroid Morin had his magnet set up with north, and south on the top, and bottom of his magnet, or do you think he had the north, and the south poles running parallel ontop of his coil, and what do you think about the transformer idea. Will it work, or do you think that the magnet has to be flipping the north, and south poles, and what about tightening your coil loops with fine wire. Just saying you are a scientist!!
He has the north and south running perpendicular to the shaft. I'm not sure what significance his work has because he never met any conclusions. He did some really interesting stuff though.
Hi i am struggling to understand why you are pursuing the cold steam? IMO its not needed as you only need to get the TT shaft into a friction free state and then rotating with AP at a constant RPM. As per 3min point you can create AC from the shaft and then also link the TT shaft to another separate shaft via magnetic flux 5min point (friction free). This IMO means you could run many shafts (suspended via magnets) from one TT due to resonance frequency and release the magnetic flux on all linked system to generate electricity in an ultra efficient system? thoughts? its not free energy you can just direct magnetic flux and AP(solar) into a different usable state!!
New subscriber. You have done much and achieved more. As a commercial property developer, with lots of space on roof slabs, and buildings where every watt is a treasure, am very keen to know when we may find units for sale.
But imagine that on a usable scale. Like boiler / chiller buildings in coal burning faculities with steam heat.. theyve got huge boilers that have stages to superheat the steam in order to push that steam for miles and miles to a radiator in some room in some building way out.. it just constantly pumps water into the boilers in order to keep them cool so they dont go nuclear.. but im sure if you all designed and built an aluminum or titanium version of that but x100 scale bigger to power off one of the superheat boilers.. could you imagine a motor like that spinning at 60k thats got blades as big as you? Sound like a military jet during vertical takeoff.. i just think on a bigger scale and with superheated vapor and in a distribution node on a city grid. You could power quite a bit if the rotor held up to that speed being that big.. itd have to be precision made and radioed to inspect for internal stress fractures and all.. but i could see that taking over from the huge stators they use now.. if you could use the steam rather than an existing voltage source to start it up that alone would save massive amounts of money with how many starting amps those huge motors take to get her chooching..
Coal is collapsing like Sauron's dark tower in Lord of the Rings. What else have you got for a heat source? Solar thermal maybe? To be practical this would have to undercut solar photovoltaic which the International Energy Agency recently declared the cheapest form of electricity in history. Fascinating demo, though. I like Tesla's opening words in the clip: "the world will run on cosmic energy". Solar PV and wind are also cosmic energy being ultimately sourced from the conveniently located fusion reactor we call the sun.
If you want to get more power from your Tesla Turbine inject the compressed air into your Tesla Turbine from where the shaft is. Because 𝒚𝒐𝒖𝒓 𝒔𝒚𝒔𝒕𝒆𝒎 𝒐𝒑𝒆𝒓𝒂𝒕𝒆𝒔 𝒂𝒈𝒂𝒊𝒏𝒔𝒕 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒄𝒆𝒏𝒕𝒓𝒊𝒑𝒆𝒕𝒂𝒍 𝒂𝒏𝒅 𝒄𝒆𝒏𝒕𝒓𝒊𝒇𝒖𝒈𝒂𝒍 𝒇𝒐𝒓𝒄𝒆𝒔. Due to 𝒄𝒆𝒏𝒕𝒓𝒊𝒑𝒆𝒕𝒂𝒍 𝒂𝒏𝒅 𝒄𝒆𝒏𝒕𝒓𝒊𝒇𝒖𝒈𝒂𝒍 𝒇𝒐𝒓𝒄𝒆𝒔 Tesla Turbine at such high rpm creates a vast amount of vacuum from the center where the shaft is and forces that air pressure outwards. As you inject compressed air from the outer rim of the TT you defeat the purpose of efficiency. I hope this helps. Later on, if you want? I can give you another tip that you'll be able to increase the COP of this experiment much, much higher.
One of the big problems at larger scale/size is the disk integrity. I noticed you are using manufactured disks that look like carbon fiber. I also saw in the close up demo, the gap between the disk and the housing shrinking and expanding at the various RPM bands (10k, 20k, 30k, etc.). Is the idea here to use small turbines in a parallel or series to generate the power to batteries? I do like the low thermals needed though.
If you are referring to this video for that conclusion ua-cam.com/video/AfCyzIbpLN4/v-deo.html. They made a big mistake in their math. The video says the rotor must spin at a very high rpm, maybe 50,000 for a 6” turbine. The speed of a turbine is based on periphery speed not rpm. If a 6” turbine needs to spin 50,000 rpm to be efficient like the video says, that’s a periphery speed of 890.1 Miles per hour. If you want a 3 meter disk to achieve close to 891 miles per hour at the periphery, the rpm required is only 7,253. We have materials that can easily reach that speed. Here is what nikola tesla says about scaling the tesla turbine. I have found that the quantity of fluid propelled in this manner, is, other conditions being equal, approximately proportionate to the active surface of the runner and to its effective speed. For this reason, the performance of such machines augments at an exceedingly high rate with the increase of their size and speed of revolution.
@@iEnergySupply Oh, it was about halfway through ua-cam.com/video/mg4I2WIYAAM/v-deo.html&ab_channel=SubjectZeroScience where they talk about the problems Tesla hit when experimenting with the turbine. I mean, I saw the turbine you have going and it is very interesting to see the output generated by the easy to generate pressure. I could easily see a different fluid that condenses at ground temp (canister in ground) and boils at room temp in a standing container to be a recycling fuel, hitting two turbine boxes in the circuit. Looking at some liquids with low boiling points, they are all pretty toxic/harmful.
Does this compare favorably to an automotive turbine of similar size in watts in/out? (Volts or amps is not power… volts and amps is power.). Cool gadget.
at our higher rpms, it is capable of more power because of the extra speed it can go with laminar flow. Volts x amps = watts. We will show all the numbers soon with our new analytical equipment.
@@iEnergySupply yep. rpm*torque=horsepower. 1 hp is 735.5 watts. It seems to me a car turbo requires many hp to provide enough compressed air to increase engine power. Could there be an application where the alternator is replaced with a Tesla turbine generator powered by a percent of exhaust?
@@SolGuy42 there is a good reason the Tesla turbine isn’t in common use everywhere. There is little advantage over conventional turbines in practice, and it clogs up easily. These details are left out by its fans unfortunately. Tesla turbines are a very niche engineering feat that has yet to find a real world role despite existing for a very long time. It’s a bit like VAWT wind power. Yes in theory they have a niche role, but the reason large wind farms are all normal wind turbines is because the advantages of VAWT only apply if you place it where you should not place a turbine in the first place, somewhere with rapidly changing bursty air flow.
How functional would they be in an industrial setting? Say I wanted to draw 5000kWh a day or maybe even replace a 75kWh turbine with one or several of these to power several processing centres within a centre area? What would maintenance be like? How well does it scale? Would we need multiple turbines & generators instead of 1 more traditional set up & what’s the cost for manufacturing something like this compared to industry solutions? Asking because I’m in the process of planning a food processing facility in Ghana & every Oz of the public services are corrupt there, right down to the electric company, I had previously designed an off grid power solution for a Bitcoin mining farm using a small creek to power a hydrogen fuel cell & using a Oxy-hydrogen burner to produce steam & drive a turbine & generator, Preferably with a closed loop boiler system ( was aiming for a set up that could used almost anywhere and leveraged the environment as little as possible ), obviously the project took the back seat for awhile but resurfaced out of necessity, would Tesla turbines be appropriate for that kind of application or would we be better off going with more traditional turbine set ups?
Here is a quote from nikola tesla "I have found that the quantity of fluid propelled in this manner, is, other conditions being equal, approximately proportionate to the active surface of the runner and to its effective speed. For this reason, the performance of such machines augments at an exceedingly high rate with the increase of their size and speed of revolution."
Wow I'm actually already impressed by your Bitcoin mining operation, I remember hearing about people who said that they might move to somewhere very cold to run their system and some type of Warehouse so the cold air outside is Cooling the warehouse for the Bitcoin mine, and all the excess heat is collected to power a stirling engine to produce power to keep the operation running. But a creek actually sounds like it's going to produce more power, however I don't know which one would be more efficient. I would believe that the one that creates power through the water turbine would be the most efficient in the beginning, but now this makes me wonder what you did with the heat waste or did you just have coolers running in that place 24/7?
I like to see tests on how much energy goes into the system vs energy produced. How much energy is needed to heat the water, chill the cold tank, and lower the pressure to a vacuum.
I think the ultimate end goal is the the system operates from simply ambient air and atmospheric pressure once spun to supersonic speeds in order to generate cold steam, ie no heat source is required?
Haha you spelled content wrong At the end. You are not smart- nope not at all... Whoever spelled that wrong is fired! And I mean it. But I'm just playing you're a genius, and my friend. Good job.
@@iEnergySupply no buty best suggestion would have to be to find needle bearings matching your shaft size from possible like a crotch rocket type motorcycle transmission. Alot of motorcycle transmissions utilize needle bearings because of the high RPMS. SO MAYBE CHECK A MOTORCYCLE PARTS STORE.
@@iEnergySupply Very interesting stuff as usual, Jeremiah! Is the difficulty of attaching the pump to the same shaft as the turbine due to -- the increase in length of the shaft (making the unit too bulky perhaps making it too big for the vacuum chamber, etc), or -- not knowing how big to make the pump discs/runners (because of not knowing the best amount of suction to work with the turbine), or... -- is it because you need to uncouple the real-time change in pump force from the turbine force because the needs of the pump force change in a "non-linear" way in relation to the turbine force? Or... -- is it something else? Thanks!
interested to know this answer as well, thinking of trying to make my own single shaft two stage and am trying to figure out the size ratio between the working turbine and the pump/vacuum turbine
Question regarding the generator portion the cylinder magnet you use did you drill a hole through the center or just attatch it to the end of the shaft? Trying to wrap my head around it. Awesome project i have been following your channel for a couple years now....all the way from Canada
great job. just that, i dont understand, why must you pursue to get more than 8000 rpm? @4000rpm you can already generates 250 VAC. More than 10000rpm, you will make your bearing starting to damage.
Maybe it has something to do with that the outside of the blade has to reach te speed of sound to be more efficiënt, smaller disk = higher hz? So 8000rpm with larger disk seems possible. Just something I red a time ago, I can be wrong.
@@1107laurens I think the theory is once running at supersonic levels, the hot and cold tanks are no longer required. It physically becomes a hurricane, ie feeds from the atmospheric pressure itself and the temperature difference. I think the material science is perhaps the next and bigger challenge though perhaps?
@@iEnergySupply quite critical information. 40 deg delta is achievable using heat pump, so if You could pump the heat using electricty produced by T.turbine, we could get self sustained source of electricity? if ratio is within COP of heat pump. interesting
"Air Cycle" refrigeration requires a load. Heat converted to "work". Is it possible the cooling effect seen with the addition of a pump making the turbine "double acting" is more a result of the added load/work output, rather than the draw of the additional vacuum? Also Claude process liquefaction of gas to produce cryogenic temperatures requires a load on the expander/engine/turbine. In other words, could the virtue of the double acting turbine (cold/ice formation-"efficiency") simply be the result of the added load/work output of the pump. The implication there being, any load on a single acting turbine could produce a similar cooling effect.
Considering joining you on paetron. Do you have a model or design for the rotation speed to meet or exceed the speed of sound? Perhaps not with your hot/cold model. Are you willing to discuss those parameters depending on paetron tier? Thank you
Guess the real problem is it needs another energy source(heat + something cold at the end) to create spinning mechanical energy, its dope to see though!
Jeremiah, your work is epic! Will become a patron soon and promote your work to all my engineering, off-grid, & homestead buddies. They’ll love it. Excited to see all the data come out from your testing when you get all the analytics equipment in. Yah bless.
Would chemical mixed with water produce enough heat? Like the sodium hydroxide,,,,,, or am i saying the correct chemical. Make it wet, it gets hot, put the mix in the sun to dry the water out if it, and the chemical is ready to go again. Very renuewable
Both ice and steam take electricity to create, is the electricity generated from the Tesla turbine sufficient to supply these and have excess electricity.
I just wanted to let everyone know, when we say free electricity, we are specifically talking about energy that comes from the free sun. This is the same thing as collecting free rain if you have a rain collection system at home. The infrastructure isn't free, but the water is. Many people are confused about this. The earth is also a giant battery that you can tap into, it also got it's free energy in the form of heat from the sun. See the video here that shows we are not using compressed air in our boiler. ua-cam.com/video/W1K2CMRyDrw/v-deo.html
Theck this: close in engine argon and helium gas and ad to it wery high voltage spark and engine will work. The same with water inside. Yutkin effect.
@@genome616 see that's the interesting part of what's claimed to be happening in the tesla turbine. The exhaust is colder than ambient air. That's how it can keep running indefinitely once the system is perfected. I'm looking forward to seeing if they prove this soon.
I'm a small time gold miner.
I have a water system setup in the East Kootenays in BC Canada deep in the back country. I have 1 mile of 1" geothermal tubing with 900' of head already installed and proven.
I've looked at other turbine designs like pelton wheels.
Do you think a tesla turbine would be a good option for a microhydro setup like mine?
Just want to tap into all the water I have running by my camp to charge up the trailer batteries and keep the hot water tank warm. All 12v stuff.
You don't need ice, but in the wintertime the cold conditions can be berry favorable
A DC motor spinning a magnet(s) in a reciever coil (ferro ceramic "choke" core) manifests generates AC (possible also via capacitor discharge into (on) and phase conjugation out of (off) vis resistance in a dead battery electrolyte chemistry (switch the circuit to the dead battery and the magnet will be repulsed out of the coil while charging the dead battery.) Thus, this creates a motor/generator system. An invertor oscillator or an oscillating instrument (horn, drum, bell, string, speaker, tuning fork etc.) Either switching on and off a capacitor discharge through a coil (magneto creation) is an amplification multiplier of the AC signal. Thus, achieving oscillation on off or AC amplification multiplication becomes the source for keeping the system (re)charged and self sustaining manifestation generation.
It is fantastic to see people finally putting Nicola Tesla's theory and design to practical use...and while i don't fully understand the exact barometric science behind the function of the unit,,i can see that with further refinement this type of system could eventually provide a perpetual energy source,that once in operation would only ever need to be shut down for routine maintenance...I applaud you,Please keep up your amazing work..
Thank you! The goal will be geothermal in the end, the earth is a giant thermal battery, but for now we will start with the sun.
@@iEnergySupply why not solar heated water? My evacuated heat tube water heater will boil by midday on a summers day. So much so, I have to cover most of the tubes and 3 of them supply more than enough. Doesn't need tracking as the tubes work from sun up to sun down practically speaking.
Although drilling a series of deep bores gets down to the warmer levels easily, I agree. This is the same as people use to heat and cool houses with two sets of bores that they reverse pump with the seasons and extract warmth or coolth. (Yes, it's a word.)
@@seeker1015 How can I contact you?.. I am interested in your solar powered heater- cooler contraption...
@@arielhermoso4262 My water heater is an off the shelf 24 tube unit, not a cooler. .Probably made in China but using Australian made tubes. Tank, frame etc., are Chinese.
Tubes are bigger than most and have a special triple coating invented by Uni of NSW.
I purchased it from "Run On Sun" solar, Queensland.
If however, you're referring to the ground heat system, I don't have that but there are plenty of You Tube videos on the specifics.
All of this makes me really happy to see! Nikola was born and raised, not far from where I was. Countrymen.
People working on Nikola’s heritage today :))
He said, more than hundred years ago, that his time is yet to come. We might be living that time right now! Lots of love and health to everyone!
Absolutely! I am still working hard to make at least his turbine dreams come true.
As a mechanical engineer, I really appreciate your work man. This is why I studied engineering, the process of making things and validating the hypothesis makes me excited. Great Job guys, I hope to see these in the market after few years.
thanks, we believe within a year we will defiantly have it into production. Maybe sooner though, once we finish testing with our analytical equipment we will be satisficed for production.
@@iEnergySupply yes, I can see this one as a good component in the powerplant industry. Specifically, if you use diesel engines for peaking loads, It can increase the thermal efficiency of the diesel engine by a considerable percentage.
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I think your number 1 consumers would be those manufacturing industries that produce a lot of heat. For example, those who are into the steel manufacturing industry. Those are located in semi-remote areas, and you can negate the possible noise complaints coming from the tesla turbine. That's if you can scale this up and produce at least 3kw of continuous load. That would be enough to run their lights and small loads while manufacturing.
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Suppose the residents from a compound would get this one. They'd be facing daily noise complaints😂. I doubt you can sleep with this one turned on for at least 50 meters from home.
@@troyguererro0898 3 kw is our goal. Also this is very unbalanced, we since fixed the sound issue.
@@iEnergySupply I see... Wishing you the best 👍 and your team.
As an engineer do you think tesla turbines could find use in electricity generation?
Bravo Jeremiah! I wish to thank you and also tell you that you have our support and you are not alone. I would be happy to offer you any help and/or assistance!
Thank you so much for your support!
Any internet site of you for easy inquiry?...
You are demonstrating so many scientific engineering principles all at once
Absolutely. It's a cryophorous system where all the air is evacuated. On the left (the hot side), the pressure is higher because the water vapor above the water is at a higher pressure than on the right (the cold side). The higher temperature on the left creates a higher pressure, and since pressure flows from high to low, it boils on the left and condenses on the right. This movement of gas through the system spins the turbine.
New sub and thank you for what you do ! I've admired Nikola Tesla for many years and have done my own research on alternative energies. This has been suppressed for over a century and it simply cannot be held back anymore. We the people.
gosh I totally agree! Thanks for the confidence!
thank you mate, I watched your previous videos a long time ago and weren't satisfied with the explanations. now that you have someone who was able to ask the questions that may occure in someone outside of your brain, now everything makes far more sense!
I'm so glad it helped so much! He is also much better at editing videos then me.
I've been waiting years for this video. Well done! As a fan of Nikola. I applaud you! Keep up the awesome work.
Thank you very much!
It may be an improvement on a old technology but hardly some kind of break thru.
@@rickstandal626 I'd like to see a 10 stage closed loop system all turning the same rotor. Possibly cycling a ferromagnetic fluid through a conductive tubing. Would you think recycling a ferrofluid through a conductive conduit would induce a current? And I only have an Associates in Industrial Electronics. In an attempt to think outside the box I got stuck in a triangle... lol Although all who have attempted to source power through effective energy devices have ended up assassinated. Not that I like life that much. Too bad they don't turn on the New Yorker hotel where Nikola spent his last years in. It was modeled after the Wardencliff tower. Or as the ancient Egyptians and other cultures utilized their pyramids to acquire and transform the ether into usable energy.... maybe I thought too long and hard about the process....
I'm sorry I didn't watch the whole thing and by no means an expert on Tesla. That being said what I saw there was not a game changer and if so why after a hundred years has no one jumped on it.
I've seen so many new advancement or so called in my life time that unless its backed up with more than a video I just take a pass on but who knows.
You enjoyed it so it was worth while. For you.
@@rickstandal626 It could have been worth it for you, but you made a comment on a video you confessed you didn't even watch. Stupidities finest!
I thought of this last week and scoured UA-cam and here it is. This is exactly the idea that I imagined with some variances. Absolutely brilliant. It solves the world’s problems with carbon emissions totally.
That's our aim :)
I love it you're boiling water below atmospheric pressure you are basically using a freeze dry system to create a pressure difference that's amazing
You got it!
I met James giving this demo at the Tesla Tech Extraordinary Technology conference here recently in Albuquerque..
I was so grateful to meet him and his iteration of this ultra practical DIY energy solution was fantastic. I knew about this subject for many years, but firsthand experience is unspeakably valuable. How about running off forest litter and a rocket stove. It's tops on my list know thanks to his demo.
thanks for the complements, forest litter and rocket stove would be perfect. You will still want a water battery.
I agree with many of your sediments concerning the Tesla turbine. There are many practical places for its use. Working on a turbine now. Your informative videos are priceless. Thanks.
The reason that it is suppressed is that the current power distributors don't want to loose their income and their power over the people.
Be very carefull with getting too much attention.
It will find its true purpose on the consumer level, not as a product, but as a build kit.
I wish you all the best, all the succes and all the safety and I would love to get this in my house!
This would be one of those devices that you sit and stare at it running for days on end. Very doable.
Yeah soon we will, we have everything set up now :)
You guys are the hope for LIGHTWORK TECH here on Earth :)
Thanks!
I love this turbine so much
Thanks!
a few questions. How many watts are you able to extract from it? what is its efficiency? what is its nominal rotation speed? because from what I remember, the original tesla turbine was able to achieve very high efficiencies at RPMs so high, the materials at the time could not hold themselves together and it would fly apart. it seems like these disc diameters are relatively small so probably not very efficient compared to traditional turbines. to maximize efficiency you need to optimize the disc spacing to only allow the boundary layer flow between the plates and have large discs at high rpm, such that you get the optimal amount of boundary layer interaction on the plates while not exceeding the mechanical limits of the plates so they don't fly apart. carbon fiber plates seem like a good choice of material, lightweight, and have good tensile strength, all give them a low moment of inertia and allow higher RPMs. those spiral patterns you see should spiral around the discs more till they reach the center to have as many interactions at possible, to squeeze the most energy out of the flow as possible, and this happens more at higher RPMs, or rather also happens at higher flow rates. Lesics has a really good video about the subject
It's interesting, tesla actually had turbines in operation in his day, that exceeded the performance of all other turbines, but this information isn't wide spread. He had a turbine operating on stem for the Edison company as well. It's actually a myth that tesla didn't have materials that could withstand the speeds required for high efficiency. Our fastest turbine so far was 150000 rpm with a 3 inch rotor, the periphery speed was 1400 miles per hour, but we can achieve 2000 miles per hour before the carbon fiber starts complaining. All the details will be coming out soon. We have an entire analytical system on the way that will measure every part of the system.
@@iEnergySupply Fantastic speed in RPM (rotation per minute)!... According to magazine, in 80's decade, the American scientist was able to test the "ceramic bearing" in a laboratory environment- in excess of 20,000 rpm- without breaking to pieces... Said bearing also withstood corrosion attack for 1. year span- being soak in a bath of sulfuric acid.. Maybe such kind of bearing will greatly help in the successful design/ prototyping of Tesla turbine...
Amazing work! Thank you all for the work you are doing. Realm changing stuff right here
Thank you Gudtims!
ua-cam.com/video/d1ITw-Gxgqw/v-deo.html
Hello, I just discovered your channel and am now a new subscriber.. We've been struggling with PG&E over here in California. Frequent and prolonged power outages with 3000-4000/month electric bills. I am getting desperate for alternative and affordable solutions and really appreciate the work you're doing here. Please keep up the amazing work. I hope to learn more.
Gosh, I'm sorry about the outrageous prices, I can't wait to have this project finished
@@iEnergySupply Sir Jeremiah: Pls try also the "Compressed Air Engine" technology- record said such CAE concept was already invented since the 1920's decade- that a Swiss railway company even used the said techn'y on powering their train.. Internet said, India was already mass producing a box type car, CAE powered, with a claimed travel range of 300. kms before re. charging its depleted air tank... Almost 90% of todays engine were being operated by "pressure" - so resurrecting an almost 100 years technology, was a step in the right direction... The GOAL: Drastic reduction in carbon emmision from pressure production- via fossil fuel burning...
I really admire what you are doing & why i'm a supporter on patreon. Exciting stuff. Tesla would be proud of the research your doing.
Thank you so much!
great work guys. i'm in the high speed rotating equipment industry and was wondering why you couldn't extend the shaft ends with perhaps an insulated coating and add another magnet to double the output generated. (or more) or at the very least, make the opposite end of the shaft a generator? there seems to be a lot of rpm you could harvest if it's possible.
just throwing that out there. there are coatings that would maintain the shaft size and insulate the magnet from other components so it's feasable....
I would have a magnet on both sides if the generator was the limiting factor. At these temperatures the turbine is the limiting factor. Our new turbine on our patreon page has a single generator as well, but with a 1.5" magnet and still isn't the limiting factor although it could become the limiting factor with the higher temperatures Ill be testing with. If needed ill add another generator magnet.
Kicking ass and taking names. We all keep doing what we are doing. The great reset going to be amazing
Along with half the world's population you mean.
Thank you for having the guy ask stupid questions for some of us to make sense of 👍
Reminds me a lot of a turbo charger
I am walking down your hallway of decorations looking curiously but more fascinatedly to the left and right in awwl and in confusion of dumbfoundedness. Like whoa my old Friends place is badass. I'm shaking my head like yep, and I'm smiling a mile high for you...
Hope this is not too forward.
haha huh?
Metaphor for watching you and your videos and your subscribers jump up. That's like walking down your decorated hallway admiring everything and then get like a feeling of how'd you reach such heights and thinking this is badass the whole thing you got going on. And I'm smiling for you shaking my head like omg this happened for you I'm so happy for you. Song and dance something like that
emezing you that you have a tiny portable system to show it on location , it's a true hurricane in a box , I wonder how your vacuum pump is doing whit the moisture das it not rust ore enything , now I go back to work on mi variation of this system almost there, cheers
Thanks oscar! The bearings are stainless steel. It should last a long time. I'm really excited to see your progress as well, imagine the oscillator with cold steam!!
Thank you and your team for all your work,you are making the world a better place. Can't wait to buy a power system from you when available. Have a wonderful day.
Also, I wonder how the system would preform if a liquid with a phase change level closer to ambient temperature was used. Such as Methylene Chloride. Because it’s critical temperature in a vacuum is closer to ambient temperature, very small temperature differentials will cause it to boil or condense. The condenser chamber could be cooled by evaporating water on its surface or blowing air over it, instead of an ice bucket. The hot chamber could be powered by ambient heat, or better yet, heat from the sun if you pointed it black.
Like the drinking bird toy, which is a heat engine the same as this.
Or you could even burry the condensing chamber a dozen or so feet underground where it’s almost always colder. Geo-atmospheric power. The surface layer of dirt insulates the earth below, It seems to me like the earth really does have natural energy that can be tapped into. Could also use a cold body of water.
Last thing. I know I’m leaving a lot of comments. When you build the system to recycle the condensed liquid back into the boiling chamber, there should be a transitionary chamber or coiled tube heat sink that brings the liquid back up to room temperature first. If you just pump the cold liquid back to the boiler it would probably stall. Bringing it up to temp first extracts the energy from the environment more efficiently.
yeah, the ice actually isn't needed, we tested it without ice, and as long as the temperature differential is great enough for the phase change of water to occur the turbine runs great. Depending on the temperature of the exhaust of the turbine which we will soon see, warming it with ambient air or even the earth would be perfect. You got the idea! Thanks for the great comments.
@@iEnergySupply Awesome, thanks! You guys have done great work.
If you want lasting Earth or water temperature power, you'd want to bury or submerge a big coil and run water through it, like heat pumps for home heating use. Then you get access to a huge thermal mass.
I assume you need the vacuum box because the bearings can’t be air tight. I wonder if a smaller plexiglass casing could be made with a slot for the magnet. Basically shrink wrapping the box around the turbine, leaving the coils outside, not as much volume for vapour to build up.
So basically just a cap over the magnet and bearing I guess.
Absolutely, I will be engineering this set up on the next turbine.
yep
Would using disk magnets arranged in the same way as the turbines with steel plates and copper coil work better?
I don't know, this seems to work the best so far without any issues. At this point, there is no point in changing the design until we find a problem with it.l
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The neodymium magnets aren't that much resistant as steel or Titanium.
But you could definitely sticking stripes of Iron Nitride on the outside of the last 2 disks...
They won't be washed away from water pressure because they wouldn't be touched by steam at all.
Iron Nitride it's 2 time stronger than pure neodymium.. so it won't need much to creating a strong enough electromagnetic field to be catch from 2 additional coils per side.
Also in this way you virtually changing nothing to the design, you just add something useful to increase energetic output.
All without decreasing the Torque ! ! !
Focus now should not be on the material or arrangement,,,, but on the control.
@@iEnergySupply Just curious if rearranging the way the magnet is used would increase current output. Having the copper coils stuck in between disks of magnets should increase current.
What the Heck! That is a amazing system. Im searching myself for a resolution of a little bit more autarkism. Maybe this one bring us one step closer. Keep up the really good work, appreciate 😁👍.
Thanks, we are nearing completion of the project too!
@@iEnergySupply im looking forward of it. You have my Subscripe 😁👍
this is amazing dude...
thanks, cheers!
6:58 everyone else be listening to him talk about Tesla motors etc. I be zooming into his Supplement collection
But what happens when you put a LOAD on the connected generator? If you've ever tried to turn a generator by hand when there's a load connected, it becomes extremely difficult to turn.
the turbine slows down slightly under correct load, but with a load that is too big it slows down too much and becomes in-efficient
@@iEnergySupply Please define "too big" in terms other than.... that which slows down the turbine. If 200 amps is too big it is incapable of powering an average citizen's home, right? In reference to turbine generators one thinks of power companies which supply power to the grid and hundreds of thousands, even millions of citizen's homes. I'm just trying to understand the practicality of such a device. I'm all for free energy.
What is the purpose of this experiment? Please explain me, I didn't understand....
@@Madthrax23 It is my understanding the experiment is to prove that the Tesla turbine is a viable device to connect to a generator as opposed to standard turbines. I'm just trying to see if they're pushing BS or if they're really onto something.
@@webadage at full speed we operate at 600v, so we don't need many amps, Also all you need is a larger turbine to get more power. The turbine will be sized for it's application;
Thoughts/Prayers/Meditations you guys reach your goal! This research is so very important to the common whole of humanity! It would be AMAZING to have a way for folks who own wood burning stoves to make power while also heating their homes. With an off grid battery setup, I cant see how this concept wont at least provide charge for the bank. The truly hard part of this R&D, is packaging the system in such a way it can be easily installed by the common man.
Absolutely, originally I intended to use it just with the wood stove, then found out thermal solar panels and water energy storage are also an amazing benefit.
@@iEnergySupply You really do need to have all of them if you were to be 100% off grid I assume. Youre talking about collecting rainwater right?
@@AllboroLCD o no, I just used rain water as an analogy to imply that technically water can be free, just like the energy from the sun. We can consider it free energy.
@@iEnergySupply if the cold steam is exiting at lower than ambient temperature though can't you use ambient heat to heat it again?
For how long can this system keep the pressure going till it fully equalises? Great job.
until you run out of heat on the left tank, but once the water is used up it needs to be pumped from the condenser to the boiler.
@@iEnergySupply how much Timelapse are we talking about?
@@PhysicsViolator minutes or days depending on the size of your thermal reservoir.
@@iEnergySupply thnx imma try to build one .
@@PhysicsViolator Remember, the turbine and the temperature are key factors. You actually need significantly more heat than what I demonstrated in this video to run the system efficiently. Additionally, the turbine must be properly tuned to function as intended and maximize performance.
I want to stress the importance of safety if you're thinking about building something similar, like converting a gas bottle into a steam boiler. Water under pressure can build up to dangerous levels, potentially causing an explosion if not handled properly. Here are a few key precautions:
Make sure your tank is made of metal that can handle high pressure, and know the pressure limitations at different temperatures.
Always use a pressure relief valve to prevent excessive pressure buildup and avoid steam jet injuries.
Periodically test the pressure capacity of the tank, as corrosion or rust can weaken it over time. It’s a good idea to fill the tank with water and test it at a pressure higher than your relief valve setting to ensure safety.
Also,,,there is also a gearing ratio advantage between the diameter of magnet and diameter of turbine. Couldn't you use much larger size turbine disks and add same size multiple magnet generators on same shift. This would add a torque advantage in two ways, a diameter difference and spinning mass(weight). In turn you could slow down the turbin speed. Slower speeds are better. Under 10k rpm is great
With our new turbine we are going to use smaller magnets. This concept will be tested.
Expounding,,, linear generator is a group of generators, each with 1"x1" n52 diametrically magnetized and has its own set of coils per magnet all spaced out on a single shift or ganged together end to end as to turn together by a single motive force. This configuration beats 6 magnets spaced out on a 10" rotor wheel. Larger rotor equals more input shaft torque to pass magnet by coil during electrical production,, Lenz force backpressure. Thats a 10 to 1 reduction, 10" rotor to a 1" rotor.
Also may take slower speeds to hit target of 60hz??
The more i think about the tesla turbine the more i think it could find a home in large scale power generation. The efficiency of a standard steam turbine at any steam based power plant is about 45% efficient if it's a really good one.
Compared to 90+% efficiency in a tesla turbine... That would be a major step in solving the energy problem. You could either, Generate more power using the same amount of fuel or generate the same power using substantially less fuel. Either way that's a win.
You could go even further and install tesla water turbines at hydroelectric dams and generate a lot more power from those facilities too. Maybe more efficient turbines is what Hoover dam needs to allow Lake Meade to start filling up again...
quote from nikola tesla. Obviously this problem is facilitated by compounding, as will be understood by those skilled in the art. Irrespective of its bearing on economy, this tendency which is, to a degree, common to motors of the above description, is of special advantage in the operation of large units, as it affords a safeguard against running away and destruction. Besides these, such a prime mover possesses many other advantages, both constructive and operative. It is simple, light and compact, subject to but little wear, cheap and exceptionally easy to manufacture as small clearances and accurate milling work are not essential to good performance. In operation it is reliable, there being no valves, sliding contacts or troublesome vanes. It is almost free of windage, largely independent of nozzle efficiency and suitable for high as well as for low fluid velocities and speeds of revolution.
Not true currently turbines are over 90% efficient, just not thermally which is around 45% at best. So no gain in hydroelectric generation at all. Was tesla claiming 90+% thermal efficiency though?
Does the additional energy produced make up for the power required to keep a vacuum?
the vacuum keeps itself as long as the cold side stays cold. Vapor pressure is equal to temperature. So as long as the condenser is colder then the boiler the water will always flow to the condenser. If the condenser was warmer then the boiler the gas would flow backwards to the boiler.
@@iEnergySupply ah ok. That mostly makes sense. Vapor in a vacuum is a little difficult to wrap my head around. How do you plan to keep the condenser cold long term without maintenance?
Amazing work guys! Inspirational stuff! This makes me very happy :)
Hey Jeremiah does the compressor have to run constantly?
Or do you drain the atmosphere out once to get it started?
you drain the atmosphere one time unless you have leaks.
Not sure if this could be geared with a fly wheel, perhaps a greater starting torque with a battery driven larger motor, then sustained with your turbine.
Either way, we are off grid with NiFe / Solar currently and a backup gas generator. Getting ready for the "great reset" and monetary collapse.
I hope you have a commercially available unit soon. Would like to add it to our community.
My question is what is your energy input in BTU's verse wattage out?
I saw you are using a vacuum pump? They draw a lot of current. Is this loop-able?
At the speeds we operate at, gears pulleys and belts aren't practical as the friction is too high
If this is open source where can I get the drawings without paying? I may be able to help as I have a machine shop!
Mate Tesla make 2 patents about turbine and there are named Tesla turbune for this... Also much bigger the plate less rpm for make electricity and after trist they make a type like 3 of different size all in same box
I was wondering if you could explain the wind chill factor more and how the heat gets transferred into rotational force
Perhaps a Chinese Diesel heater would be fun and maybe useful to experiment with as a heat source for your hot side. It produces output temps that would likely suit your operating requirements, and it's extremely fuel efficient.
Yeah that would be a really cool experiment, maybe a small engine or something.
What did you mean "The generator is dampening the vibration?" As in the load placed on the end of the output shaft?
wow. gucci work
you are correct.
also consider impeller, where the blades are like in a water wheel, same outside-in-center-out manner, but difference is that the reverse forces rotation too, three functions, tesla disc turbine has two functions, not obvious the third, the inverse push-in-pressure, just the rim-in generator, and the center-out pump
center-out "line impeller", no direct flow like actual water wheel turbine
the rose turbine on youtube, TnT, is an example of the third operation mode, center in, rim out, with face plate or without face place, on the blades
the channels forcing the 'hurricane' movement lines, arced blades, just like the water wheel, but rim-in center-out, not directly pass-through (rim-in rim-out), but similar to tesla turbine working principles
btw, try water, non-compressing volume, should have tons of torque, to spin the turbine
when the blades are arced, no discs, then the incoming rim-in pressure/volume is forced to push the blades, until they slow down and exit from the center-out
6:52 cool the shaft? (Tube)
*make the axel a tube and run the cold exhaust in verted through the core by redirecting it with a cap?
May reduce the cooling side length.
also makes me want to consider "Stirling Engines".
would be nice to try that. This is basically a starling engine on steroids.
Is it possible to tak the cold tank side and plumb it into the hot tank and refill it once the hot side creats a vacuum and edless runtime
it's absolutely possible, in-fact that's what we are going to do.
@@iEnergySupply one of the things ive always wondered is why electric cars dont have a alternator/generator on the back side of either the motors or the axle shafts to help better regen on top of the regen from momentum the vehicle gives going down hill
@@Duey_diditGarage that's a lot of complexity and copper cost for very little to no benefit. just like why people don't put heat exchangers on their drains.... the cost will never recoup the energy harvested
This is awesome 🤗 Would be interesting to see it work fully reliant on its own power at lower temperature differentials (levels that the environment can naturally provide, especially on the cold side of the equation) and sustain its own vacuum.
Been following you since the beginning! This is incredible - I can feel that you're seriously close! One question for you, sir: What bearings are you using inside the vacuum box? Are they air bearings? If they are, how do you get air bearings to work inside a vacuum chamber? Or are they something else entirely?
I guess that was a few questions! Hope to hear from you :) Thank you!
This is the first Tesla Turbine dedicated channel I've ever seen. Got to subscribe of course. 60k rpms? I'd throw a gearbox on that to get more torque and maintain plenty of rpm for a generator. Don't forget the importance of a flywheel either. You could also use a Fresnel lens on the hot side and an air cooled radiator on the cold side for the heat differential. which then you may possibly get a little free energy maybe?
Gear boxes seem to not work at such high rpm, although we are building larger turbines, but the generator seems to be working great for now. For the moment it seems just a large tank on the boiler and the condenser work really well, this was just for demonstration purposes.
Magnetic couplings may be more suitible for this application, not only is there no need to make a hole in your low pressure system for an output shaft but you can actually create gear ratios by messing with the poles
Something else to note is that this process is continuous unlike a piston engine which very much reduces the need for a flywheel (unless you have a very transient load, but for electricity generation that is not so)
Try closing the loop with a Peltier (Thermoelectric effect) cooler, you can get a self sustaining reaction getting the exact temperature you want for each side.
And how much power does your Peltier junction consume? There is much research left to do on the Tesla turbine, but an increase of efficiency is the only measure of success. In addition to propane fuel for heating, electricity for the vacuum "compressor" etc would need to included in the calculations.
We will defiantly do that!
@@iEnergySupply "defiantly"?
A peltier generates much more heat than it pumps, but if you use the hot side for boiling, you recoup some.
But the point of this exercise, if you want it to be of practical use, must be to convert low quality heat gradients into electricity, not the other way around, so a peltier would be self-defeating in such a machine.
@@galfisk How about we do some science and TRY IT FIRST?
Did I just watched a guy blowing a load on Tesla turbine which just works as it should but he added a lot of free bs to it while powering it both with steam on inlet and vaccum on outlet claming it's some sort of breakthrough? Nice... so nice that it made me write a comment.
Subscribed and wondering if you are still working on your amazing experiments?
@@bluekelly7178 I absolutely am and getting really serious now. About to do pre-sales
@@bluekelly7178 most of my updates are on patreon
Will it working at such low temperatures you could use thermal collectors on the roof of a building to drive to the generator turbine not even using refrigerants just water and a vacuum
that's the plan!
I've been looking for something that can be made to produce a good amount of energy for cheap without spending more money for the initial starting fuel than the amount of energy I can get back. If I use propane or wood to heat the vessel that turns the tesla turbine, it is not as free as I would like to be worth doing this project but if we could somehow use the sun and a fresnel lens or something that could magnify the heat from the sun, then it's cheaper, non polluting but the sun isn't always out so if a sand battery or a solar panel configuration that could save up the energy for the times when the sun isn't out so the turbine can still be used, it's something that I'm trying to figure out so it can be reliable and ready to produce electricity during any weather conditions uninterrupted. I'm very new to the whole alternative energy experiments and I think it's fascinating.
you got the idea! You described my goals. The sand battery is designed and Ill be testing one soon.
Smart work. I'm wondering if you ever considered using supercritical CO2 as opposed to water?
I would like to avoid using such high pressures. I may want to use something like ammonia or another coolant. I need a system that will be cheap and safe for everyone.
Why is the hot side higher than the turbine?
Why is the auxiliary pump not recirculating the cold side back to the hot side?
We will do this soon.
@@iEnergySupply just from learning about distillation setups, that hot side should flow upwards straight to the TT
a man can learn interesting things by distilling :)
What I would love to see is something like this connected to a transformer stepping the voltage down and then connect it to a midnite classic to charge batteries
Maybe a ferrite core transformer would be the best, it needs to be capable of at least 3000 hz, do you know of a good transformer?
Switchmode power supply transformers handle tens to hundreds of kHz. Then again, maybe you'll be better served by rectifying the generator output to DC and feeding it to a DC-DC converter. Then you know that everything is running at an optimized frequency.
You could also make a better generator using a high speed BLDC motor in reverse (minus the electronics). Something from the RC flight world may have the RPM tolerance needed.
Thats so awaome. It can run on waist heat in industry and ambient energy!
absolutely we can run on the waist heat! We still need to see if ambient is possible to get power from, in the winter time ambient heat from the earth will work.
Thank you so much for the incredible work that you guys have done. I have solved the remaining issues that you still have in this system to truly take this to it's full potential. I will be filing for the world provisional patent this week when Monday comes. This will be something that I will use to make this world a better place. I will contact you guys after I send in the legal documentation to get the provisional. I hope that I can work with some brilliant minds like yourselves soon. It's not needed, but I'm sure you'll be interested in what I have to share. Otherwise you'll hear about it soon enough in the news. I'm finishing what you guys have started, especially Nikola Tesla. He would be proud for sure with all that has been done to further the best invention he deemed as his favorite of all time. He's right, it will change the world and I'm gonna prove it along with what you guys have done so far.
Amazing work gentlemen!
Can you provide me any video or your system? I am curious what you have achieved. my Gmail is notime500@gmail.com, could you send an email?
@@iEnergySupply I'll shoot you an email and discuss what u can with you and why I MUST file a world provisional before sharing video. I will put together a system myself this week with video evidence & a legal lawyer witness with legal documentation proving everything.
@@npham54 - you need to keep it open source, if you want it to benefit the average person, and not be bought up, or left unlicensed, to be put on a shelf in favor of existing profitable products.
The condensation of the chilled water at the condensor will retain the vaccum, can it actually boil of the whole input tank?
the heat will leave the boiler far before the water is gone, the water expands so much it doesn't take much to make a lot of power. eventually the condenser will fill up and you will need to pump the water back to the boiler
@Charles McKinley spot on, my thoughts exactly, funny how there’s nothing being said about the power required to maintain the vacuum or any usable differential pressure
@Charles McKinley instead of The vaccum pump the system could be flooded with 100+degree steam from a small solar heater with a very small water reservoir. The system valves are then closed/sealed. The 100+ degree steam would then condense in the pipes and in the condenser and pull the low pressure. If the system is sealed properly the low pressure would stay forever, as long as there is a proper temperature difference between the warm and the cold side, and the Tesla turbine properly extracts the heat, and of course enough water. In copper heat pipes when they are manufactured the vacuum is pulled in a similar way. To my understanding this is only needed once for startup, like a 12battery with sparkplugs on a petrol engine. The best practicall efficiency that i have seen for pumping electricity from low temperature heat flows are at about 10%. If this setup achieves anything above 40% that would be allready absolutely astounding, and would mean that your car will practically have twice the range from the same amount of petrol. Because there up to 70% goes wasted mostly into heat and could be with this setup converted back to drive energy. With 40% also no photovoltaic with the same surface area could compete.
I've come to this a bit late so I'm not fully understanding your claims. I see you are heating the vessel on the left with gas (?) and cooling the one on the right with ice. Both these must be using external power to heat/cool. How much power do these use in kW/h and how does it compare to the output from the generator? If you used solar power for the heating and cooling, would it not be more efficient to use the solar to generate power directly and forget the turbine stuff?
Sorry for the lack of analytics at this time, our equipment will be here in one week and we will start answering all the questions :)
yes, that is also may observation.. in net there is power losses (a lot may be) since they are not showing the watts needed tor run the vacuum pump, it may be more efficient if they will use gas cylinder for the tires.
@Charles McKinley karen coment
@@c2sartinkprinthub757 i agree
@@iEnergySupply Oh for Pete's sake man. You need a scale, a calculator and Google. Heck, do it ahead of time and you can even make an excel sheet to do the math for you.
Here's how you answer that question:
Step 1: Weigh your propane canister.
Step 2: Use propane to heat your thermal battery then weigh it again.
Step 3: Compare the weight difference to propane's MJ/KG and you'll have a reasonable guess how much energy went into your hot source.
Step 4: Make more ice than you need, weigh it.
Step 5: Measure cold sink to confirm it's room temperature then add ice until the desired temperature is reached.
Step 6: Weigh remaining ice to determine how much frozen water you actually used.
Step 7: Calculate the joules required to cool that much water from room temperature to the temperature of your freezer.
Step 8: Add up the joules spent on the hot and cold sides.
Step 8: Run your system using your existing inverter to measure how many KWh you got out of it.
Step 9: Divide total energy in by energy you successfully extracted as per the inverter readings converting between watts and joules at your discretion.
You may argue that the results would be less than ideal because of this or that (maybe your burner is wasteful etc) but who cares? If you put in 20 kWh worth of energy and get 1 KWh out than improving your burner efficiency by 50% isn't going to turn an overall 5% system efficiency into 25%.
At least then you have an objective test to figure out how far you are from solving the actual valid criticism of the Tesla turbine (it's mechanical efficiency is too poor to be commercially viable / the speeds damage the discs) vs dumb-ass UA-cam criticism like "It doesn't make any torque."
The dynamo's at the bottom of the Hoover dam have Tesla generators from 1890 something
Wow I was un aware that they still use it.
i need a couple of these to cut the cost of my mining rigs. will they be able to hook up to a grid tie inverter when they come to market
that's absolutely plausible. If you join the patreon, I can talk to you personally to help you with your system.
Well done,,,,, next!
Thanks!
Would be interesting to use air foil bearings with the turbine. Would basically never need to purchase new bearings again
That's on the to do list, I've experimented with them before but we need more r&d for them.
Air foil bearings, in a vacuum?
I see you are using carbon fiber disks?
Do you plan on making it a two stage turbine or will you use a separate pump?
yep, we need to do them separately. we will add the pump later.
because of the dynamic balancing?
@@erumaaro6060 the spacing between the side walls gets harder and harder, it also makes the assembly many times more difficult.
@@iEnergySupply so what would happen if these disks were made of turbostratic graphene?
Go Jeremiah!!!!!and friends!!
Thanks!
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damn dude that 50000 rpm, really blows my ear
yeah must be balanced, soon!
That is AWESOME!!!
Do you think that the video that I sent you the other day. Geroid Morin had his magnet set up with north, and south on the top, and bottom of his magnet, or do you think he had the north, and the south poles running parallel ontop of his coil, and what do you think about the transformer idea. Will it work, or do you think that the magnet has to be flipping the north, and south poles, and what about tightening your coil loops with fine wire. Just saying you are a scientist!!
He has the north and south running perpendicular to the shaft. I'm not sure what significance his work has because he never met any conclusions. He did some really interesting stuff though.
Hi i am struggling to understand why you are pursuing the cold steam? IMO its not needed as you only need to get the TT shaft into a friction free state and then rotating with AP at a constant RPM. As per 3min point you can create AC from the shaft and then also link the TT shaft to another separate shaft via magnetic flux 5min point (friction free). This IMO means you could run many shafts (suspended via magnets) from one TT due to resonance frequency and release the magnetic flux on all linked system to generate electricity in an ultra efficient system? thoughts? its not free energy you can just direct magnetic flux and AP(solar) into a different usable state!!
New subscriber. You have done much and achieved more. As a commercial property developer, with lots of space on roof slabs, and buildings where every watt is a treasure, am very keen to know when we may find units for sale.
thsnks, this is certainly the best option as the turbines can be very cheep and solar collectors/solar heat tubes are extremely efficient.
But imagine that on a usable scale. Like boiler / chiller buildings in coal burning faculities with steam heat.. theyve got huge boilers that have stages to superheat the steam in order to push that steam for miles and miles to a radiator in some room in some building way out.. it just constantly pumps water into the boilers in order to keep them cool so they dont go nuclear.. but im sure if you all designed and built an aluminum or titanium version of that but x100 scale bigger to power off one of the superheat boilers.. could you imagine a motor like that spinning at 60k thats got blades as big as you? Sound like a military jet during vertical takeoff.. i just think on a bigger scale and with superheated vapor and in a distribution node on a city grid. You could power quite a bit if the rotor held up to that speed being that big.. itd have to be precision made and radioed to inspect for internal stress fractures and all.. but i could see that taking over from the huge stators they use now.. if you could use the steam rather than an existing voltage source to start it up that alone would save massive amounts of money with how many starting amps those huge motors take to get her chooching..
Yeah that would be really cool, but we are intending this for off grid homes.
Coal is collapsing like Sauron's dark tower in Lord of the Rings. What else have you got for a heat source? Solar thermal maybe? To be practical this would have to undercut solar photovoltaic which the International Energy Agency recently declared the cheapest form of electricity in history.
Fascinating demo, though. I like Tesla's opening words in the clip: "the world will run on cosmic energy". Solar PV and wind are also cosmic energy being ultimately sourced from the conveniently located fusion reactor we call the sun.
If you want to get more power from your Tesla Turbine inject the compressed air into your Tesla Turbine from where the shaft is. Because 𝒚𝒐𝒖𝒓 𝒔𝒚𝒔𝒕𝒆𝒎 𝒐𝒑𝒆𝒓𝒂𝒕𝒆𝒔 𝒂𝒈𝒂𝒊𝒏𝒔𝒕 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒄𝒆𝒏𝒕𝒓𝒊𝒑𝒆𝒕𝒂𝒍 𝒂𝒏𝒅 𝒄𝒆𝒏𝒕𝒓𝒊𝒇𝒖𝒈𝒂𝒍 𝒇𝒐𝒓𝒄𝒆𝒔. Due to 𝒄𝒆𝒏𝒕𝒓𝒊𝒑𝒆𝒕𝒂𝒍 𝒂𝒏𝒅 𝒄𝒆𝒏𝒕𝒓𝒊𝒇𝒖𝒈𝒂𝒍 𝒇𝒐𝒓𝒄𝒆𝒔 Tesla Turbine at such high rpm creates a vast amount of vacuum from the center where the shaft is and forces that air pressure outwards. As you inject compressed air from the outer rim of the TT you defeat the purpose of efficiency. I hope this helps. Later on, if you want? I can give you another tip that you'll be able to increase the COP of this experiment much, much higher.
One of the big problems at larger scale/size is the disk integrity. I noticed you are using manufactured disks that look like carbon fiber. I also saw in the close up demo, the gap between the disk and the housing shrinking and expanding at the various RPM bands (10k, 20k, 30k, etc.). Is the idea here to use small turbines in a parallel or series to generate the power to batteries? I do like the low thermals needed though.
If you are referring to this video for that conclusion ua-cam.com/video/AfCyzIbpLN4/v-deo.html. They made a big mistake in their math. The video says the rotor must spin at a very high rpm, maybe 50,000 for a 6” turbine. The speed of a turbine is based on periphery speed not rpm. If a 6” turbine needs to spin 50,000 rpm to be efficient like the video says, that’s a periphery speed of 890.1 Miles per hour. If you want a 3 meter disk to achieve close to 891 miles per hour at the periphery, the rpm required is only 7,253. We have materials that can easily reach that speed.
Here is what nikola tesla says about scaling the tesla turbine.
I have found that the quantity of fluid propelled in this manner, is, other conditions being equal, approximately proportionate to the active surface of the runner and to its effective speed. For this reason, the performance of such machines augments at an exceedingly high rate with the increase of their size and speed of revolution.
@@iEnergySupply Oh, it was about halfway through ua-cam.com/video/mg4I2WIYAAM/v-deo.html&ab_channel=SubjectZeroScience where they talk about the problems Tesla hit when experimenting with the turbine. I mean, I saw the turbine you have going and it is very interesting to see the output generated by the easy to generate pressure. I could easily see a different fluid that condenses at ground temp (canister in ground) and boils at room temp in a standing container to be a recycling fuel, hitting two turbine boxes in the circuit. Looking at some liquids with low boiling points, they are all pretty toxic/harmful.
@@seikojin yeah water seems to work great.
Does this compare favorably to an automotive turbine of similar size in watts in/out? (Volts or amps is not power… volts and amps is power.). Cool gadget.
at our higher rpms, it is capable of more power because of the extra speed it can go with laminar flow. Volts x amps = watts. We will show all the numbers soon with our new analytical equipment.
@@iEnergySupply yep. rpm*torque=horsepower. 1 hp is 735.5 watts. It seems to me a car turbo requires many hp to provide enough compressed air to increase engine power. Could there be an application where the alternator is replaced with a Tesla turbine generator powered by a percent of exhaust?
@@SolGuy42 there is a good reason the Tesla turbine isn’t in common use everywhere. There is little advantage over conventional turbines in practice, and it clogs up easily. These details are left out by its fans unfortunately. Tesla turbines are a very niche engineering feat that has yet to find a real world role despite existing for a very long time.
It’s a bit like VAWT wind power. Yes in theory they have a niche role, but the reason large wind farms are all normal wind turbines is because the advantages of VAWT only apply if you place it where you should not place a turbine in the first place, somewhere with rapidly changing bursty air flow.
How functional would they be in an industrial setting?
Say I wanted to draw 5000kWh a day or maybe even replace a 75kWh turbine with one or several of these to power several processing centres within a centre area?
What would maintenance be like?
How well does it scale? Would we need multiple turbines & generators instead of 1 more traditional set up
& what’s the cost for manufacturing something like this compared to industry solutions?
Asking because I’m in the process of planning a food processing facility in Ghana & every Oz of the public services are corrupt there, right down to the electric company, I had previously designed an off grid power solution for a Bitcoin mining farm using a small creek to power a hydrogen fuel cell & using a Oxy-hydrogen burner to produce steam & drive a turbine & generator,
Preferably with a closed loop boiler system ( was aiming for a set up that could used almost anywhere and leveraged the environment as little as possible ), obviously the project took the back seat for awhile but resurfaced out of necessity, would Tesla turbines be appropriate for that kind of application or would we be better off going with more traditional turbine set ups?
Here is a quote from nikola tesla "I have found that the quantity of fluid propelled in this manner, is, other conditions being equal, approximately proportionate to the active surface of the runner and to its effective speed. For this reason, the performance of such machines augments at an exceedingly high rate with the increase of their size and speed of revolution."
Wow I'm actually already impressed by your Bitcoin mining operation, I remember hearing about people who said that they might move to somewhere very cold to run their system and some type of Warehouse so the cold air outside is Cooling the warehouse for the Bitcoin mine, and all the excess heat is collected to power a stirling engine to produce power to keep the operation running.
But a creek actually sounds like it's going to produce more power, however I don't know which one would be more efficient.
I would believe that the one that creates power through the water turbine would be the most efficient in the beginning, but now this makes me wonder what you did with the heat waste or did you just have coolers running in that place 24/7?
How do handle the dangerous almost constant issue of incredibly powerful cavitation which blows up the part? Do you have multiple outlet ports?
I like to see tests on how much energy goes into the system vs energy produced. How much energy is needed to heat the water, chill the cold tank, and lower the pressure to a vacuum.
I think the ultimate end goal is the the system operates from simply ambient air and atmospheric pressure once spun to supersonic speeds in order to generate cold steam, ie no heat source is required?
sort of, we want to use solar heat at the very least, the collar collectors can be up to 97% efficient, and the energy can be stored in water.
you could use geothermal to make the water hot maybe?
absolutely, with a good tesla pump.
Haha you spelled content wrong At the end. You are not smart- nope not at all... Whoever spelled that wrong is fired! And I mean it.
But I'm just playing you're a genius, and my friend. Good job.
A friend made the video for me
Yeah but did you notice the oopppsie
Have you tried needle bearings?
I'd like to, can you link some good high speed needle bearings?
@@iEnergySupply no buty best suggestion would have to be to find needle bearings matching your shaft size from possible like a crotch rocket type motorcycle transmission. Alot of motorcycle transmissions utilize needle bearings because of the high RPMS. SO MAYBE CHECK A MOTORCYCLE PARTS STORE.
Why did you decide to not use a two-stage turbine for this?
It's much more difficult to build the two stage on the same shaft, we will be using the pump too but it will come after the single turbine testing.
@@iEnergySupply Very interesting stuff as usual, Jeremiah! Is the difficulty of attaching the pump to the same shaft as the turbine due to
-- the increase in length of the shaft (making the unit too bulky perhaps making it too big for the vacuum chamber, etc), or
-- not knowing how big to make the pump discs/runners (because of not knowing the best amount of suction to work with the turbine), or...
-- is it because you need to uncouple the real-time change in pump force from the turbine force because the needs of the pump force change in a "non-linear" way in relation to the turbine force? Or...
-- is it something else? Thanks!
interested to know this answer as well, thinking of trying to make my own single shaft two stage and am trying to figure out the size ratio between the working turbine and the pump/vacuum turbine
Question regarding the generator portion the cylinder magnet you use did you drill a hole through the center or just attatch it to the end of the shaft? Trying to wrap my head around it. Awesome project i have been following your channel for a couple years now....all the way from Canada
It must be posibel to finde them pre fab with a hole... It's almost imposibel to drill these magnets.
@@eriknielsen1849 that's what I thought at first but from the video it looks like they drilled it. Thank you for the reply
Hi, is interesting what part of Tesla's knowledge being lost, and why his turbine considered useless in modern times.
great job. just that,
i dont understand, why must you pursue to get more than 8000 rpm?
@4000rpm you can already generates 250 VAC.
More than 10000rpm, you will make your bearing starting to damage.
Maybe it has something to do with that the outside of the blade has to reach te speed of sound to be more efficiënt, smaller disk = higher hz? So 8000rpm with larger disk seems possible. Just something I red a time ago, I can be wrong.
This was 60,000 Rpm Roughly. The bearings are rated for 150,000 RPM
@@iEnergySupply how much amps wr u amble 2 get out of this
@@1107laurens I think the theory is once running at supersonic levels, the hot and cold tanks are no longer required. It physically becomes a hurricane, ie feeds from the atmospheric pressure itself and the temperature difference. I think the material science is perhaps the next and bigger challenge though perhaps?
What's the input to output power ratio?
that information is on the way, stay tuned!
@@iEnergySupply quite critical information. 40 deg delta is achievable using heat pump, so if You could pump the heat using electricty produced by T.turbine, we could get self sustained source of electricity?
if ratio is within COP of heat pump.
interesting
"Air Cycle" refrigeration requires a load. Heat converted to "work".
Is it possible the cooling effect seen with the addition of a pump making the turbine "double acting" is more a result of the added load/work output, rather than the draw of the additional vacuum?
Also Claude process liquefaction of gas to produce cryogenic temperatures requires a load on the expander/engine/turbine.
In other words, could the virtue of the double acting turbine (cold/ice formation-"efficiency") simply be the result of the added load/work output of the pump.
The implication there being, any load on a single acting turbine could produce a similar cooling effect.
Considering joining you on paetron. Do you have a model or design for the rotation speed to meet or exceed the speed of sound? Perhaps not with your hot/cold model. Are you willing to discuss those parameters depending on paetron tier? Thank you
I absolutely do, my model is supersonic capable. and yes I can help you with information on my patreon.
Hi. Test the turbine in free fall at high speed. I believe the rotors' momentum state can influence the planet's constant gravity.
interesting, I have no idea.
Free fall at high speed? 118 mph is free fall speed.
Guess the real problem is it needs another energy source(heat + something cold at the end) to create spinning mechanical energy, its dope to see though!
How long can it be sustained?
as long as you supply heat to the hot side, and once you run out of water, you can pump it back to your hot tank.
Jeremiah, your work is epic! Will become a patron soon and promote your work to all my engineering, off-grid, & homestead buddies. They’ll love it. Excited to see all the data come out from your testing when you get all the analytics equipment in. Yah bless.
Thank you, sorry I just got to your comment, have you seen what's new on patroen yet?
@@iEnergySupply Haha, just seeing this now. Yes! I'm one of your Patrons. You're doing great work!
Would chemical mixed with water produce enough heat? Like the sodium hydroxide,,,,,, or am i saying the correct chemical. Make it wet, it gets hot, put the mix in the sun to dry the water out if it, and the chemical is ready to go again. Very renuewable
That is actually testing we want to do in the future :)
Both ice and steam take electricity to create, is the electricity generated from the Tesla turbine sufficient to supply these and have excess electricity.
My guy had a shrine of vitamins on a shelf like most people would have family pics... I do like the difference in condensate temperature though.