I remember doing something this on the NASA application technology satellite 1, ATS-1, back in 1984 as part of my university project. In that project we were using a Helical beam antenna for the uplink; and a cross Yagi antenna for the downlink. We were transmitting up link at about 150 MHz, and we had voice Communications onto the satellite. Yeah it was pretty amazing hearing the time lag between you're up link and the audio downlink. It was part of the PEACESAT project.
@@peterfairlie2296 yeah I was bloody lucky, and it was my final year electrical engineering student project, as I finished my final year at the end of 1984.. And so the month after we finished it went out of orbit. Very sad.
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And no crappy trap music animated intros, "what's up boys?!", or "smash that like and subscribe." I know these are dying memes but I'm glad there's just passionate creators out there either way.
"oblivion NPC" "yo honestly this is actually a glitch!" "2006 energy" "yo bro deadass facts this video is lowkey based!" videos in the 2000s and 2010s were like bo Burnham and epic meal time wtf are you talking about? just the fact that he doesn't do an intro? just say that!
True, but it means we’re back to pointing camera phones at computer screens when there are plenty of good, free screen cap options; unstabilized video, wonky audio and so on. There’s something to be said for amateur passion, and also something to be said for production value.
This reminds me of a trip to Cuba I took back in 2002/2003. Calling back to Canada from the hotel I was at, the delay was TERRIBLE! Even worst than showed in this video. Not even kidding, it was at least a 1-2 second delay each way. My poor grandma would answer the phone and by the time I would hear her "Hello" and I'd answer back, she had time to say "HELLO??" before hearing my "Hi Grandma!". The hotel was fairly isolated back then and right outside the hotel was this little shed with a HUGE satellite dish. If you looked in the direction the dish was pointing shortly after sunset, you'd see this very bright "star" in the sky... I was amazed to think that my voice was going to that dish and beamed up to that "Star" and sent on its way....
this is crazy-cool!!! Born in 1980, for as long as I can remember when i was a little kid, I've had a deep passion & interest in this kinda stuff, but have never learned enough to do so. But wow, thank you! Videos like this make me salivate & get hearts in my eyes!! Thank for sharing & nice work!!
I love this. No idea whats really happening here. This is more something my dad would love but I love it because its just a guy/person having fun in their backyard. Keep doing what you love.
Reminds of when I didn't have a data plan, but realized I could use my cell phone as modem to call dial-up providers. Slow but free data over voice. lol
@@Shadoweee I don't remember what model phone, but many of the 3G phones could act as digital modems. So if you had an active voice plan, you could USB tether them and dial into ISPs. Since it was acting as a modem everything would send and received over a voice connection. Not sure how many modern phones still have that ability. Nifty in a pinch if you need to check an email without a data plan, but not useful for much else.
@@peterfairlie2296 I'm located in EU and I imagine our ISPs work diffrently but will have to give it a go somehow lol - how did You giure out which port to use?
So Rad!!! I'm an electrical engineer and I have spent the last year working on an electric vehicle digtal dash/ infotainment system and I think this is so much more exciting! seriously, goose bumps when the phone rang. Love that old landline phone. My very next thought after the phone rang was that it should have been a red phone. Thanks for the awesome video!
This brought back good memories--- I was heavy into installing the 70Mhz Systems. Then I had to learn the Block Downconversion--- It looks like you were running off " The Clark-,Orbit Belt"... Nowadays, as a Ham Radio Operator, I have done a few experiments with VHF-FM Satellites and I also started a few Old School projects, for Back-haul communications----- Many of Us have gotten spoiled on newer technologies and we need to see where it all began--- I did a few Satellite jobs for AT&T, in the 80's
Ray, I love to hear folks like you talking about the days when the systems of the 70s and 80s were new and exciting. After covid I only have one acquaintance let that did the long lines. I can listen to people talk about technology like that for hours. You should record yourself talking about that stuff. I’ve subbed to your channel in the hopes you will post a video.
This man has the technological capabilities to make satellite phone calls using his own channel on a satellite but still has a landline phone in the year of our lord 2023.
@@peterfairlie2296 Interesting, there was no delay on the original communications with the astronauts on the moon, not to mention the live TV broadcasts...
@@peterfairlie2296 I wrote, "no [communications, ie transmit or receive] delay", not "1.25 seconds or more". This can be verified in the original "Official NASA DVD" recordings. Aside from that, are you implying digitizing the analogue transmission adds more delay or reduces it? Do you consider additional milliseconds (at most) for AtoD or DtoA conversion a perceivable delay?
@@retromodernart4426 Telecommunications engineer here. Yes, the CODEC can add an appreciable delay. No, the ADC/DAC does NOT add an appreciable delay. _This can be verified in the original "Official NASA DVD" recordings_ No, your verification failed. Crawl back in your hole, moon hoaxer.
For many years I installed and serviced HughesNet, Wild Blue and Sky Caster;s systems and carried a VOIP box with me since many of my sites were in places with no terrestrial or cellular phone as well as commercial power.
In the early 70's, used to work with 2.8K vocoded voice over 5KW/20ft dish satellite links, usually double hopped, giving long voice delays and robotic speech. In the 80's it was 40ft dish with 32/64K PCM or occasionally, 16K CVSD voice. Used to demonstrate multi hop by dialing in and out of ground terminals up and back from the sats. Having two or more second delays on the speech was more than adequate to get people to appreciate the speed of light and equipment processing!!
A 500ms ping in a deathmatch via satellite internet made me think very dfiferent about the, actually pretty shitty, speed of light. The laws of physics in this universe disappointed me.
@@Graeberwave I think the problem is greed, everyone wants to be frirst and beat others. Imagine if all thoose brilliant minds working against each other, were to work to the same goal as a team.
I can honestly think of so many practical applications for this, and at the same time, It makes such little sense for anything more then fun with modern tech.
Freaking love your voicemail! And yes, I did call you. Should I leave you a message? Haha! My company is currently using the original Nextel GSM network for radio communications. I work in our radio engineering department and deal with microwave links and maintain our equipment throughout our valleys. Find stuff for people who are interested in the GHz communication world! And your warning sign made me laugh too! Radiation burns are no fun… definitely don’t wanna step in front of your dish! All of our microwave links are static in motion… when you sent the aiming commands to the controller, was that it peaking itself to find the strongest signal when it was wiggling back and forth? Occasionally, our dishes will work themselves loose with wind and snowfall and we need to have 2 teams to peak a dish. Also! I would’ve thought you would be in the K or Ka bands, not C and X bands with how far away the satellites are. A lot of ours are in the millimeter wave but our longest link is only about 40 miles or so. Even so, we get tons if rain fade and our links sometimes have to downgrade to lower frequencies to overcome environment factors. Also curious about licensing? Do you have to have frequency provisioning and licensing? Is Canada still governed by fcc too? Haha, just left a voicemail too 😂😂😂
I worked for Westwood One in Washington DC around 2000. We had another office in Culver City California. The two facilities were interconnected with a bi-directional Ku band satellite hookup. We had the ability to send two, stereo-audio channels (broadcast quality) both ways simultaneously, and we had some extensions from the phone systems connected on either end. From DC, we could dial directly to an extension in the Culver City office or out to the PSTN. THe folks in Culver could do the same thing through our PABX. It was a pretty cool setup, but there was some satellite delay when trying to carry on a conversation. The audio channels were crystal clear and were FM broadcast quality. I'm not entirely sure how it worked, but it was pretty reliable, except when we were having a heavy rain downpour!
you could get pretty clear voice quality if you used the right call codec, like ITU G.728 (16Kbps) or ITU G.722.1 @ 24Kbps as there will be packet encapsulation you need a codec that is below the 32Kbps limit. also setting up a much much larger jitter buffer would help with the call quality. I really wouldn't call this "prating" or "making free phone calls" it's a free test satellite connection and a voip connection, which may be free if he has his own VOIP equipment and is dialling ext to ext.
@@lionelfelix6631 You have to wonder no more, as Opus also exists. It gives much better audio quality than what OP mentioned. Alternatively, HE-AAC or xHE-AAC (codecs used in DAB+ and DRM respectively) could be used.
@@peterfairlie2296I watched them months ago. did you ever get around to reconfiguring your ATA SIP adaptors to a lower bandwidth codec? it's been a while but I seem to remember you changing it a little but if I recall you didn't change the jitter buffer.
I dont understund so much about this technology,frequencies etc.. but bro this is truly amazing :) when I imagine that the satellite is 36,000 kilometers away and the signal travels that distance, that's crazy :D
Radio signals travel at the speed of light, so the time delay you see is the amount of time it takes for the signal to travel from the ground to the satellite and back to the ground at 186,000 miles per second. Pretty cool.
I remember the day I upgraded from a 28.8 kbps modem to 33.6. Oh did it feel fast. You could actually go to pages with pics and small animations. This video was really cool. Keep up the great work!
I used to have a huge passion for stuff like this. Anything to do with satellites, it is cool seeing the delay XD it always amazed me how waves can be sent and picked up from sooooo far away but they move so fast it is only a one-second delay.
@@peterfairlie2296 I really like the 1A2 system. I have an ITT but wish I had one made by WE or ATT for the reliability. Also mine doesn’t seem to ring on any outside lines with any of the ATA’s I have. Kinda a bummer but at least the line lights work and I can use some of my favorite phones on it 🤓
@@peterfairlie2296 I actually have one of those In a box somewhere and I’m anxious to try it now 😁. My house also has the Avaya partner system and a phone in all the rooms and the avaya has a ground port screw on the front - I was thinking of trying to join the two systems together and grounding together maybe it would work. Haven’t tried yet.
@@peterfairlie2296 I actually still have them. 6 are smart phones that take a battery and run off of the phone lines power it can be programmed for any amount to make a call and time limits or free calls to specific numbers. And then I have one older rotary but same style single slot.
I once called into a radio show that was on an analog satellite subcarrier (maybe around 2007?). There was like a 20 second delay. I mentioned to the operator that the show wasnt live, but that was during that delay. Apparently, my call went from my cell, to their station, then over dsl to the uplink facility, then to the satellite, then to my dish and receiver to my speakers 10 feet from the phone
The delay should be about 239.42 ms based on distance and waves in a vacuum. The difference in delay is due to the atmosphere and the computing equipment itself. Someone else feel free to calculate the impact of those mediators as well.
32kbps? That's faster than what NBN co can provide here in Australia (I'm joking, but a lot of fellow Aussies here would agree it's slow and expensive compared to anywhere else)
that's pretty great, if I was on a bomber wanting to double check a nuclear launch authorization when all land comms were down I sure as shit wouldn't say no to it.
I too came here thinking there would be some piracy! I've done piracy many times in the past (not with sats which is why I wanted to get some hints) and even done time for it so yeah this is not really piracy but still interesting to watch the equipment anyways.
I'd love to have a system setup like this but I don't understand anything about the software being used or what all the information given means. I think a video breaking everything down and explaining would be really cool.
It would be even cooler if you (everyone) had the ability to connect to a 100% FREE satellite service. But in saying that, everyone would be on the phone 24/7. Then I do not know the cost of the equipment that would be needed to do that. But I know that it is way out of my pocket money ☹️
Well in the UK they done away with dog licenses may years ago. As for the need for a TV license, that is to pay for the BBC only. As that is how they get a LOT of their money, as they do NOT put advertisements in the flow of a TV show. I also think the BBC is known all around the world for it’s high standards of broadcasting. But as for NOT needing or having licences for everything in America, is that a GOOD thing ??? As I know that I would feel much better and safer knowing that to want to get something’s that you need a licence for. I know one big joke to me, is the driving licence. As I see on the News and real life TV shows, that the police can stop someone in a car, and they had their licence taken off them for drink driving or for some other reason. But they still go out and drive a car. They then go to court and get a 2 years driving ban. If they had no license in the first place, do you thing that giving them a 2 year ban is going to stop them ??? Make them pay a BIG fine or put them in jail for a few months. Then when they are not able to work, the penny might drop that it is them and only them that are been affected. I myself am a radio ham, but I also think that to use a transmitter or transceiver should be OK, but NOT on all parts of the radio spectrum. It is OK to listen to anything, but if you had a FOOL on the radio that was jamming up that frequency that might be needed for emergency response, is 100% STUPID. I know that about 95% of people would be more responsible. It was when in the UK we did NOT have CB radios, as we got ones that came from America. But they had been on AM. So when the British Government got that many people wanting CB radio to be OK to use in the UK, the Government made it that they had to be FM only. Then you also needed a radio CB licence for them. It would have been OK if the government had policed them that used CB’s. But anyone and their cat could do or say whatever they wanted to. So in the end, many did NOT renew their license. So now in the UK you do NOT need a CB licence anymore. I will be 100% truthful with you, I had an illegal AM radio, and when everyone had moved to FM, I did NOT get a licence. I also bought myself an Icom 706MK 2 G and did the mod to it so it could be used on the CB band. But then one of my friends wanted to go in for his ham exam, but he knew NOTHING of how to use or setup a radio, so I went along with him. Then I also did the exam to become a ham. Not that I use it that much, but it is there for if or when I need it. I also have 2 small FM broadcasts transmitters, they only kick out 10 watts of power. I can see it coming that something will happen when the internet and mobile phone communications will stop. As it might have to do with a solar flare or a government knocking out a few satellites 🛰️ and cutting underwater cables. As everything is now dependent on GPS or the internet in someway. I hope that I NEVER will need to use them. As I only have 2 sisters that live about 1 mile away from me, and I could give them either a Homebase CB each, or a PMR radio each. As for power, I get given a shit load of throwaway vapes, and I take out the lithium batteries. As I am making a few power banks that they can charge with solar panels or a wind turbine. So I am NOT against anyone using any sort of radio, just as long as the nutters do not take over the airwaves and think that just because they move been of a specific frequency, that they own it and do and say whatever they want to. As I have told you, I have had radio equipment that I was NOT meant to transmit on, as I went on the marine band and put in a call to the port office for a radio check. They thought NOTHING wrong with it, as I was polite and sounded like I knew what I was doing. But I did NOT then try to talk to ships or fishing boats, as them fools would do. If you sound that you belong on that frequency and you use the right words and protocols, then who is to tell that you do not have a licence.
@@peterfairlie2296 Interpol like those kind of things 😂 Anyway, if you don't use equipment with serials registered to you, is impossibile to know who are pirating the satellite.. No IP or position triangulation.. 😛
Used to do this with the big boys (DOD). Super neat stuff your doing. Few times we used commercial birds. One time we did a VTC over INMARSAT. 5 minutes in I get a cell phone call, 'who is using the commercial line'! We just got a 1000$ charge. I was ordered to test it, I told them. Megabits (don't remember how fat a pipe) was not cheap. Free on the MIL birds. Fun times.
Megabits? A phone call via INMARSAT was like $12/min or something like that lololol. I didn't know you could do that. In the mid-late 90s I used to call country direct (operator) 800 numbers and blue box phone calls. Mainly via Greece. So I made it a point of seeing what the most expensive phone call I could make was, and it was "INMARSAT Atlantic West". I also had this 800 number that went somewhere in Ketchikan, AK that I would blue box off of, but the quality was BAD. A couple times I called to AK to Greece and then to the other phone line in my house. Pretty long delay.
What codec did you use? I different codec would likely perform much better. Newer opus codecs can even handle packet loss very well, and you can run as low as 8kbps and still have very understandable voice calls. This looks very cool btw! Always dabbled a bit in playing with satellite receivers. subscribed! :P
@@peterfairlie2296 So anyone can access this transponders without even needing to use some kind of password to see if you are an authorized user? Is it the same with satelite TV can anyone transmit their own TV channel?
Nice experiment. BUT.. you had someone's permission and it looks like commercial software. So i'm curious as to how off the shelf this would really be.
exactly right, this is no "pirating a satellite". in fact he says "....give us just a test 32 kbit": band allocation happens on the satellite hub side (around 2002-2003 eutelsat vsat network had its "satellite hub" somewhere in france).
I'm curious what codec was being used. An old phone codec like those under G.711 which expected 64 kbit each way, and thus you had about 50% packet loss? I'd love to see this done with a modern compressing codec which can work within that 32 kbit bandwidth limit, like G.729.
@@peterfairlie2296 I've used 8k data on a satellite circuit to feed a remote analogue (TACS) cellsite way back in the 90s. We had a Newbury Mainstreet mux that used their proprietary coding. It was toll quality. I got the idea from Petrocom cellular in New Orleans.
you are the best, keep up the good work! Your Kermit impression is rlly good btw, it gives this a entertaining vibe. Ty for sharing the knowledge with us!
I remember doing something this on the NASA application technology satellite 1, ATS-1, back in 1984 as part of my university project. In that project we were using a Helical beam antenna for the uplink; and a cross Yagi antenna for the downlink. We were transmitting up link at about 150 MHz, and we had voice Communications onto the satellite. Yeah it was pretty amazing hearing the time lag between you're up link and the audio downlink. It was part of the PEACESAT project.
@@peterfairlie2296 yeah I was bloody lucky, and it was my final year electrical engineering student project, as I finished my final year at the end of 1984.. And so the month after we finished it went out of orbit. Very sad.
Awesome! Can I find further info on this anywhere online? Appreciate you sharing all this with us!
📶📡🛰️🪐🛰️📡📶📻🎶😃👍❣️
I got a filing cabinet from an old office and it has a sticker on it that says ACTS NASA Switchboard in the sky
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This has so much UA-cam 2012 vibes, just a guy enjoying his passions and making videos about it.
And no crappy trap music animated intros, "what's up boys?!", or "smash that like and subscribe." I know these are dying memes but I'm glad there's just passionate creators out there either way.
@@UD503J The long intros with the same music is very early youtube tho
"oblivion NPC" "yo honestly this is actually a glitch!" "2006 energy" "yo bro deadass facts this video is lowkey based!"
videos in the 2000s and 2010s were like bo Burnham and epic meal time wtf are you talking about? just the fact that he doesn't do an intro? just say that!
True, but it means we’re back to pointing camera phones at computer screens when there are plenty of good, free screen cap options; unstabilized video, wonky audio and so on. There’s something to be said for amateur passion, and also something to be said for production value.
Is this perfectly legal
44.6k miles, plus the landline side, with only a 1 sec delay is pretty amazing
Really? That's amazing? We have technology that leaves little to no delay...
@@sylver369I think the point is that there isn't much delay for what it is
Only 0.24 s of that delay would be due to the sloth of light, surprisingly. All the rest is digital overhead
It’s called the speed of causality...
@@sylver369this actually is pretty amazing, yeah.
This reminds me of a trip to Cuba I took back in 2002/2003. Calling back to Canada from the hotel I was at, the delay was TERRIBLE! Even worst than showed in this video. Not even kidding, it was at least a 1-2 second delay each way. My poor grandma would answer the phone and by the time I would hear her "Hello" and I'd answer back, she had time to say "HELLO??" before hearing my "Hi Grandma!". The hotel was fairly isolated back then and right outside the hotel was this little shed with a HUGE satellite dish. If you looked in the direction the dish was pointing shortly after sunset, you'd see this very bright "star" in the sky... I was amazed to think that my voice was going to that dish and beamed up to that "Star" and sent on its way....
For a long time they were blocked from subsea cable networks. Arimao cable is about to change all that.
It went thru a Soviet era recording device.
@@Johnyrocket70An analog recording device wouldn't increase the latency imo. They were just tape recorders.
@@peterfairlie2296 Now are chinnese.. Seriously, we need an intervention.
Current day USA gov. Recording devices have no delay.
this is crazy-cool!!! Born in 1980, for as long as I can remember when i was a little kid, I've had a deep passion & interest in this kinda stuff, but have never learned enough to do so. But wow, thank you! Videos like this make me salivate & get hearts in my eyes!! Thank for sharing & nice work!!
@peterfairlie2296 Totally, thank you!!
I love this. No idea whats really happening here. This is more something my dad would love but I love it because its just a guy/person having fun in their backyard. Keep doing what you love.
Reminds of when I didn't have a data plan, but realized I could use my cell phone as modem to call dial-up providers. Slow but free data over voice. lol
Wait what? :D Do You have more info about that?
@@Shadoweee I don't remember what model phone, but many of the 3G phones could act as digital modems. So if you had an active voice plan, you could USB tether them and dial into ISPs.
Since it was acting as a modem everything would send and received over a voice connection.
Not sure how many modern phones still have that ability. Nifty in a pinch if you need to check an email without a data plan, but not useful for much else.
@@peterfairlie2296 Holy crap that's genius! Do they not limit the speed?
@@DalePatch Got it, thanks and will look into it!
@@peterfairlie2296 I'm located in EU and I imagine our ISPs work diffrently but will have to give it a go somehow lol - how did You giure out which port to use?
So Rad!!! I'm an electrical engineer and I have spent the last year working on an electric vehicle digtal dash/ infotainment system and I think this is so much more exciting! seriously, goose bumps when the phone rang. Love that old landline phone. My very next thought after the phone rang was that it should have been a red phone. Thanks for the awesome video!
This brought back good memories--- I was heavy into installing the 70Mhz Systems. Then I had to learn the Block Downconversion--- It looks like you were running off " The Clark-,Orbit Belt"... Nowadays, as a Ham Radio Operator, I have done a few experiments with VHF-FM Satellites and I also started a few Old School projects, for Back-haul communications----- Many of Us have gotten spoiled on newer technologies and we need to see where it all began--- I did a few Satellite jobs for AT&T, in the 80's
Ray, I love to hear folks like you talking about the days when the systems of the 70s and 80s were new and exciting. After covid I only have one acquaintance let that did the long lines. I can listen to people talk about technology like that for hours.
You should record yourself talking about that stuff. I’ve subbed to your channel in the hopes you will post a video.
This man has the technological capabilities to make satellite phone calls using his own channel on a satellite but still has a landline phone in the year of our lord 2023.
@@peterfairlie2296 Interesting, there was no delay on the original communications with the astronauts on the moon, not to mention the live TV broadcasts...
@@peterfairlie2296 I wrote, "no [communications, ie transmit or receive] delay", not "1.25 seconds or more".
This can be verified in the original "Official NASA DVD" recordings.
Aside from that, are you implying digitizing the analogue transmission adds more delay or reduces it? Do you consider additional milliseconds (at most) for AtoD or DtoA conversion a perceivable delay?
@@retromodernart4426 Telecommunications engineer here.
Yes, the CODEC can add an appreciable delay. No, the ADC/DAC does NOT add an appreciable delay.
_This can be verified in the original "Official NASA DVD" recordings_ No, your verification failed. Crawl back in your hole, moon hoaxer.
@@retromodernart4426Yeah you wrote something incorrect so you got corrected.
It adds some delay
@@FAB1150 Of course it adds some delay, look up how much, now go listen to the "Official NASA recordings" and find the appropriate delay.
For many years I installed and serviced HughesNet, Wild Blue and Sky Caster;s systems and carried a VOIP box with me since many of my sites were in places with no terrestrial or cellular phone as well as commercial power.
Reminds me of when I used to run my own voice servers and would troll my friends by dropping to bit rate to nonsense levels
Early SpeeX, YEP! hahaha
masterclass trolling
Ventrilo
Teamspeak servers?
Thousands of dollars of equipment for a free phone call.
Couple years and he'll be making money in no time!
the idea is all the matters :)
Worth it
@@elsenorvananas he will require a couple of extra thousands of dollars to do that lol
CALLS. A lot of this equipment can be salvaged for free with the right know-how...
Speed is secondary to not being traced. To a security expert, or hacker, that is gold.
Exactly, with the low speed I just blended in and no one ever noticed.
In the early 70's, used to work with 2.8K vocoded voice over 5KW/20ft dish satellite links, usually double hopped, giving long voice delays and robotic speech. In the 80's it was 40ft dish with 32/64K PCM or occasionally, 16K CVSD voice. Used to demonstrate multi hop by dialing in and out of ground terminals up and back from the sats. Having two or more second delays on the speech was more than adequate to get people to appreciate the speed of light and equipment processing!!
A 500ms ping in a deathmatch via satellite internet made me think very dfiferent about the, actually pretty shitty, speed of light. The laws of physics in this universe disappointed me.
@@Shmbler A deathmatch of chess would work just fine.
Please do a step by step guide on how to intercept and decode data from satellites. This is amazing content.
Oh shit i see were this is going
Project mayhem
@@anonimoqualquer5503 I don't get it?
@@maz3808 Basically a hacker
Man, you deserve a medal for doing this....
crazy how this shows the feats humans have accomplished, especially in such a short time.
We could go much further if it weren't for...um...certain problems (lack of affordable, accessible anything).
@@Graeberwave lol
@@no-ld3hz oh you think that’s funny. I’ll embarrass you try loling again b*tch.
The things they learned from alien tech is yet to be shown to the public. millitary use only for that stuff
@@Graeberwave I think the problem is greed, everyone wants to be frirst and beat others. Imagine if all thoose brilliant minds working against each other, were to work to the same goal as a team.
I can honestly think of so many practical applications for this, and at the same time, It makes such little sense for anything more then fun with modern tech.
Freaking love your voicemail! And yes, I did call you. Should I leave you a message? Haha! My company is currently using the original Nextel GSM network for radio communications. I work in our radio engineering department and deal with microwave links and maintain our equipment throughout our valleys. Find stuff for people who are interested in the GHz communication world! And your warning sign made me laugh too! Radiation burns are no fun… definitely don’t wanna step in front of your dish!
All of our microwave links are static in motion… when you sent the aiming commands to the controller, was that it peaking itself to find the strongest signal when it was wiggling back and forth? Occasionally, our dishes will work themselves loose with wind and snowfall and we need to have 2 teams to peak a dish.
Also! I would’ve thought you would be in the K or Ka bands, not C and X bands with how far away the satellites are. A lot of ours are in the millimeter wave but our longest link is only about 40 miles or so. Even so, we get tons if rain fade and our links sometimes have to downgrade to lower frequencies to overcome environment factors.
Also curious about licensing? Do you have to have frequency provisioning and licensing? Is Canada still governed by fcc too? Haha, just left a voicemail too 😂😂😂
This is the modern version of Phone Phreaking...
I worked for Westwood One in Washington DC around 2000. We had another office in Culver City California. The two facilities were interconnected with a bi-directional Ku band satellite hookup. We had the ability to send two, stereo-audio channels (broadcast quality) both ways simultaneously, and we had some extensions from the phone systems connected on either end. From DC, we could dial directly to an extension in the Culver City office or out to the PSTN. THe folks in Culver could do the same thing through our PABX. It was a pretty cool setup, but there was some satellite delay when trying to carry on a conversation. The audio channels were crystal clear and were FM broadcast quality. I'm not entirely sure how it worked, but it was pretty reliable, except when we were having a heavy rain downpour!
you could get pretty clear voice quality if you used the right call codec, like ITU G.728 (16Kbps) or ITU G.722.1 @ 24Kbps as there will be packet encapsulation you need a codec that is below the 32Kbps limit. also setting up a much much larger jitter buffer would help with the call quality.
I really wouldn't call this "prating" or "making free phone calls" it's a free test satellite connection and a voip connection, which may be free if he has his own VOIP equipment and is dialling ext to ext.
I was WONDERING if someone would mention a good codec for low bandwidth calls. well done.
Glad I read through some before saying something similar. CVSD would be an old school alternative.
@@lionelfelix6631 You have to wonder no more, as Opus also exists. It gives much better audio quality than what OP mentioned. Alternatively, HE-AAC or xHE-AAC (codecs used in DAB+ and DRM respectively) could be used.
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@@peterfairlie2296I watched them months ago. did you ever get around to reconfiguring your ATA SIP adaptors to a lower bandwidth codec? it's been a while but I seem to remember you changing it a little but if I recall you didn't change the jitter buffer.
This is some stuff I will build a garage for.
I dont understund so much about this technology,frequencies etc.. but bro this is truly amazing :) when I imagine that the satellite is 36,000 kilometers away and the signal travels that distance, that's crazy :D
Radio signals travel at the speed of light, so the time delay you see is the amount of time it takes for the signal to travel from the ground to the satellite and back to the ground at 186,000 miles per second. Pretty cool.
Most people have no clue how cool what you just did was!!!!
I’m so glad I found your channel! I’ve always loved this kind of stuff!
Glad you enjoy it!
That’s awesome! Super impractical, but it’s the idea that counts! Nice job.
Yes! Thank you!
I remember the day I upgraded from a 28.8 kbps modem to 33.6. Oh did it feel fast. You could actually go to pages with pics and small animations. This video was really cool. Keep up the great work!
did you ever get phone sex bills?
f'in hackers
i started 1200 baud, 2400 baud 14.4 28.8 33.6 56 then cable modem dsl cable modem :).
I used to have a huge passion for stuff like this. Anything to do with satellites, it is cool seeing the delay XD it always amazed me how waves can be sent and picked up from sooooo far away but they move so fast it is only a one-second delay.
Same
The knowledge and ability to make this work is astounding. Great job.
Preparedness is always a good idea.
it's a deception. There are no satellites on orbit, it's a lie
Thanking you most kindly from England UK
What a time to be alive.
All fun and games until that phone starts to ring and you didnt call it 😂
"Hi, we are calling from microsoft about hackers on your phone..."
-Babe can I call you
-Yea hold on lemme just recalibrate my satellite terminal
Fantastic, totally remember the delay. Trans Atlantic calls 70's and 80's super stuff back then.
Guy created his own restricted zone
When i set up my own ATT on the moon, this is going to be a god send! thank you!!
The juxtaposition of the old phone and high tech satellite kit was hilarious.
The hardware software integration is more interesting than using it for duplicitous activity
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Really cool. Love the phone too! ☎️
@@peterfairlie2296 I really like the 1A2 system. I have an ITT but wish I had one made by WE or ATT for the reliability. Also mine doesn’t seem to ring on any outside lines with any of the ATA’s I have. Kinda a bummer but at least the line lights work and I can use some of my favorite phones on it 🤓
@@peterfairlie2296 I actually have one of those In a box somewhere and I’m anxious to try it now 😁. My house also has the Avaya partner system and a phone in all the rooms and the avaya has a ground port screw on the front - I was thinking of trying to join the two systems together and grounding together maybe it would work. Haven’t tried yet.
@@peterfairlie2296 I actually still have them. 6 are smart phones that take a battery and run off of the phone lines power it can be programmed for any amount to make a call and time limits or free calls to specific numbers. And then I have one older rotary but same style single slot.
This takes me back to when I had my old car phone in my 89 f350.
Perfect for making prank calls. Thanks!
Loved the delay, memories! Thx for this!
You are now on a list - for swearing in space lol
Space Force now has a job I suppose. /s :D
No lightning arrestors. Lucky man to be living in a part of the world where you are able to run without those. :)
32k should be enough for decent audio, even without a voice specific codec
Next video: "Going to jail online"
Wow. You literally got a call from space. 😮 . LoL😂. Jokes aside, very awesome project. Congrats from Brazil.
voip has that problem when not all packets are sent, gives it that robotic sound, great video!
Or, "How I Met the FCC One Summer".
That was incredible! I'm amazed you pulled this off!
This is amazing! Maybe you could use the quality to make a combo bitcrusher and delay guitar pedal.
Just what I've been wanting to see, now I got a use for the 9 foot dish in my garage
I once called into a radio show that was on an analog satellite subcarrier (maybe around 2007?). There was like a 20 second delay. I mentioned to the operator that the show wasnt live, but that was during that delay. Apparently, my call went from my cell, to their station, then over dsl to the uplink facility, then to the satellite, then to my dish and receiver to my speakers 10 feet from the phone
Lol that was cool. Miss them old Telephones 😂.
The delay should be about 239.42 ms based on distance and waves in a vacuum. The difference in delay is due to the atmosphere and the computing equipment itself. Someone else feel free to calculate the impact of those mediators as well.
32kbps? That's faster than what NBN co can provide here in Australia
(I'm joking, but a lot of fellow Aussies here would agree it's slow and expensive compared to anywhere else)
ohhh meru
paying premium to your telecom is cheaper than setting up the whole Lab
that's pretty great, if I was on a bomber wanting to double check a nuclear launch authorization when all land comms were down I sure as shit wouldn't say no to it.
Pretty cool. Those iNet dishes are definitely not cheap. Your video made me dig into satcom a bit though and learn a bit more. Thanks!
Getting permission to use a network, and having the network configured to allow access isn't "pirating" anything.
@@peterfairlie2296 Ignore the naysayers this is insane.
I too came here thinking there would be some piracy! I've done piracy many times in the past (not with sats which is why I wanted to get some hints) and even done time for it so yeah this is not really piracy but still interesting to watch the equipment anyways.
I hope the local birds understand that sign. 🍗
I'd love to have a system setup like this but I don't understand anything about the software being used or what all the information given means. I think a video breaking everything down and explaining would be really cool.
Having to put up a radiation hazard sign is badass! "Stand back I gotta make a call!" 😮
That is the coolest thing I saw in my entire life
In 1979 i measured a call from Pennsylvania to the west coast. It took 45 seconds to connect and begin ringing.
Mind blown, awesome work
Fires up the BUC. Sound made me think my wife had started blow drying her hair.
It would be even cooler if you (everyone) had the ability to connect to a 100% FREE satellite service. But in saying that, everyone would be on the phone 24/7. Then I do not know the cost of the equipment that would be needed to do that. But I know that it is way out of my pocket money ☹️
Well in the UK they done away with dog licenses may years ago. As for the need for a TV license, that is to pay for the BBC only. As that is how they get a LOT of their money, as they do NOT put advertisements in the flow of a TV show.
I also think the BBC is known all around the world for it’s high standards of broadcasting.
But as for NOT needing or having licences for everything in America, is that a GOOD thing ???
As I know that I would feel much better and safer knowing that to want to get something’s that you need a licence for.
I know one big joke to me, is the driving licence. As I see on the News and real life TV shows, that the police can stop someone in a car, and they had their licence taken off them for drink driving or for some other reason. But they still go out and drive a car. They then go to court and get a 2 years driving ban. If they had no license in the first place, do you thing that giving them a 2 year ban is going to stop them ??? Make them pay a BIG fine or put them in jail for a few months. Then when they are not able to work, the penny might drop that it is them and only them that are been affected.
I myself am a radio ham, but I also think that to use a transmitter or transceiver should be OK, but NOT on all parts of the radio spectrum.
It is OK to listen to anything, but if you had a FOOL on the radio that was jamming up that frequency that might be needed for emergency response, is 100% STUPID. I know that about 95% of people would be more responsible.
It was when in the UK we did NOT have CB radios, as we got ones that came from America. But they had been on AM. So when the British Government got that many people wanting CB radio to be OK to use in the UK, the Government made it that they had to be FM only. Then you also needed a radio CB licence for them. It would have been OK if the government had policed them that used CB’s. But anyone and their cat could do or say whatever they wanted to. So in the end, many did NOT renew their license. So now in the UK you do NOT need a CB licence anymore.
I will be 100% truthful with you, I had an illegal AM radio, and when everyone had moved to FM, I did NOT get a licence. I also bought myself an Icom 706MK 2 G and did the mod to it so it could be used on the CB band.
But then one of my friends wanted to go in for his ham exam, but he knew NOTHING of how to use or setup a radio, so I went along with him. Then I also did the exam to become a ham. Not that I use it that much, but it is there for if or when I need it.
I also have 2 small FM broadcasts transmitters, they only kick out 10 watts of power. I can see it coming that something will happen when the internet and mobile phone communications will stop. As it might have to do with a solar flare or a government knocking out a few satellites 🛰️ and cutting underwater cables. As everything is now dependent on GPS or the internet in someway.
I hope that I NEVER will need to use them. As I only have 2 sisters that live about 1 mile away from me, and I could give them either a Homebase CB each, or a PMR radio each.
As for power, I get given a shit load of throwaway vapes, and I take out the lithium batteries. As I am making a few power banks that they can charge with solar panels or a wind turbine.
So I am NOT against anyone using any sort of radio, just as long as the nutters do not take over the airwaves and think that just because they move been of a specific frequency, that they own it and do and say whatever they want to.
As I have told you, I have had radio equipment that I was NOT meant to transmit on, as I went on the marine band and put in a call to the port office for a radio check. They thought NOTHING wrong with it, as I was polite and sounded like I knew what I was doing. But I did NOT then try to talk to ships or fishing boats, as them fools would do.
If you sound that you belong on that frequency and you use the right words and protocols, then who is to tell that you do not have a licence.
It's called Passion:) Well done.
Hopefully the FCC doesnt come knocking
Yes Yes FCC! Find my satellite dish IP 😂
@Peter Fairlie Ah lol they only care about American stuff so you're good
@@peterfairlie2296 Interpol like those kind of things 😂
Anyway, if you don't use equipment with serials registered to you, is impossibile to know who are pirating the satellite.. No IP or position triangulation.. 😛
Used to do this with the big boys (DOD). Super neat stuff your doing. Few times we used commercial birds. One time we did a VTC over INMARSAT. 5 minutes in I get a cell phone call, 'who is using the commercial line'! We just got a 1000$ charge. I was ordered to test it, I told them. Megabits (don't remember how fat a pipe) was not cheap. Free on the MIL birds. Fun times.
Yeah, INMARSAT is really expensive especially their government level services.
Megabits? A phone call via INMARSAT was like $12/min or something like that lololol. I didn't know you could do that.
In the mid-late 90s I used to call country direct (operator) 800 numbers and blue box phone calls. Mainly via Greece. So I made it a point of seeing what the most expensive phone call I could make was, and it was "INMARSAT Atlantic West".
I also had this 800 number that went somewhere in Ketchikan, AK that I would blue box off of, but the quality was BAD. A couple times I called to AK to Greece and then to the other phone line in my house. Pretty long delay.
Wow that is so awesome! How do you even get a hold of kit like this? And the licensing must be crazy expensive to do.
Pirates don't care about licensing lol
@@BPTtech That is very true!
Long way from that 8K bandwidth guaranteed end to end from back in the day!
If you used a lower bandwidth codec you may get much better audio.
Oh shit, YOU ARE KING OF THE NERDS, that is a compliment!
What codec did you use? I different codec would likely perform much better. Newer opus codecs can even handle packet loss very well, and you can run as low as 8kbps and still have very understandable voice calls.
This looks very cool btw! Always dabbled a bit in playing with satellite receivers. subscribed! :P
this would not work in that way
as a 647 myself, this vid rings close to home!! insta sub for your awesome projects dude!!!!
I've been messing around with a VSAT terminal myself, what did you have to do to get airtime? I'm curious if I could replicate this.
@@peterfairlie2296 So anyone can access this transponders without even needing to use some kind of password to see if you are an authorized user?
Is it the same with satelite TV can anyone transmit their own TV channel?
Am glad to see the fone phreaks still doing their thing.
Cheers mate !
Casually pirating a satellite
you wouldnt download a satellite
good thing that sign was there
So, can we call you? Lol
@@peterfairlie2296 could make for an interesting video.
Love that retro phone
Nice experiment. BUT.. you had someone's permission and it looks like commercial software. So i'm curious as to how off the shelf this would really be.
exactly right, this is no "pirating a satellite". in fact he says "....give us just a test 32 kbit": band allocation happens on the satellite hub side (around 2002-2003 eutelsat vsat network had its "satellite hub" somewhere in france).
Naibor looks over,are you filming a new Honey, That,shrunk the kids yard?lol😂
Don't know why this means so much to me but I love that he doesn't use an Apple device.
Calling your second cell phone echoes almost as bad....reminds me of classic audio and video delay feedback stuff...fun!
Fantastic
Just wow…I hve interest in these types of experiments and I wish I could learn and do these experiments myself
I'm curious what codec was being used. An old phone codec like those under G.711 which expected 64 kbit each way, and thus you had about 50% packet loss?
I'd love to see this done with a modern compressing codec which can work within that 32 kbit bandwidth limit, like G.729.
@@peterfairlie2296 Sweet! Will watch your channel for more interesting content.
That phone sounds just like the ring of the phone in the matrix
Lots of international voice circuits use ADPCM giving 32k audio. Cellular uses lower bit rates than that.
Your demo was terrible quality.
@@peterfairlie2296 That explains it.
@@peterfairlie2296 I've used 8k data on a satellite circuit to feed a remote analogue (TACS) cellsite way back in the 90s. We had a Newbury Mainstreet mux that used their proprietary coding. It was toll quality.
I got the idea from Petrocom cellular in New Orleans.
Awesome I did not even know this was possible.
they gave you the info to use the sat. THATS NOT PIRATING.................. click bait title
Holy fuck. and I thought Phone Phreaking was dead...
When u are allowed to connect thats not pirating anything, so please quit the BS writing.
This is the kind of stuff worth paying my internet connection!
Or should I say, paying my *fast* internet connection? Awesome, my dude!
you are the best, keep up the good work!
Your Kermit impression is rlly good btw, it gives this a entertaining vibe.
Ty for sharing the knowledge with us!